WEBVTT 00:40.016 --> 00:45.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everybody, it's Hollywood Godfather podcast again, and it's our hundred and 00:48.758 --> 00:49.359 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing. 00:49.979 --> 00:50.379 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing. 00:50.399 --> 00:51.821 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember when we did the first. 00:52.722 --> 00:59.608 [SPEAKER_00]: So here we are and we're going to open this show with a new format, somewhat new. 01:00.869 --> 01:08.035 [SPEAKER_00]: We want your requests and a gentleman or was it a gentleman or a woman Megan? 01:08.535 --> 01:08.996 [SPEAKER_04]: It was. 01:09.076 --> 01:15.942 [SPEAKER_04]: It was a gentleman named James asked us if we could do a show strictly about New Orleans and Carlos Marcelo. 01:17.615 --> 01:29.744 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, I spent some time there, which we'll get into, but Pat, being the investigator he is, and he and I discussed what he's about to tell you. 01:30.284 --> 01:42.533 [SPEAKER_00]: But I like why this means so much to us being a tines number one, that most of these areas that become mafia areas 01:46.859 --> 01:50.321 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'd like patches open this up if you were a patent. 01:50.801 --> 01:51.702 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell our audience. 01:52.562 --> 01:56.065 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure I would talk to the belief. 01:56.365 --> 01:57.846 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to move closer to you, Mike. 01:58.146 --> 01:59.427 [SPEAKER_00]: My audience can't hear you. 02:00.087 --> 02:00.627 [SPEAKER_03]: We are. 02:01.068 --> 02:02.028 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there you are. 02:02.508 --> 02:03.009 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Ian. 02:03.609 --> 02:04.149 [SPEAKER_03]: How about that? 02:04.290 --> 02:08.712 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, the origins of the American Mafia did not begin in New York City. 02:09.653 --> 02:15.756 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody thinks that the both docked on Ellis Island guys could off the boat and they created the mafia. 02:17.478 --> 02:45.130 [SPEAKER_03]: but actually originated in this country in Wallen's late 1880s where Italian immigrants land the first and formed what was known or what was called by the press as the decision assassination lead that was what they were first called and 1890 first known marbihit 02:48.332 --> 03:16.133 [SPEAKER_03]: killing of a police superintendent where the name of uh... hensie david henna see a superintendent is a senator chief at least he was on his way home and he got cut down uh... he survived for a while and uh... he was quoted as saying the citizens have done this to me or those day goes did it to me heading on who you talk to the day goes being a slang term for 03:18.178 --> 03:22.521 [SPEAKER_03]: The citizenry was outraged, I think about raised to two things. 03:23.061 --> 03:24.983 [SPEAKER_03]: Why the attack is a movie into the neighborhood? 03:26.163 --> 03:36.530 [SPEAKER_03]: And two, that this group of alleged killers, Secession assassinationly, the press named them. 03:36.550 --> 03:37.811 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not what they called themselves. 03:38.652 --> 03:42.894 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a loose band of criminals. 03:43.755 --> 03:46.937 [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, a drag net was created and they arrested 03:47.873 --> 04:08.061 [SPEAKER_03]: 17 Italian immigrants, although 17, nine were held on a most serious charge of murder, and at those nine, one case was thrown out, and the other one was a verdict of acquittal. 04:10.121 --> 04:14.683 [SPEAKER_03]: The citizenry of New Orleans was so angry, we just started 04:17.462 --> 04:45.763 [SPEAKER_03]: they shot to, by the way, these people, the remaining, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh 04:48.178 --> 05:17.062 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, the explanation behind the original killing of this chief police agency was that there were two factions, two Italian factions in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the...in the... 05:17.560 --> 05:24.062 [SPEAKER_03]: triangles were moving in, though, to speak, take up a territory, and its seat was playing favorites. 05:24.662 --> 05:30.705 [SPEAKER_03]: Your favorite, the provenisinals, you supported the provenisinals, that had to be corruption involved here. 05:31.065 --> 05:33.666 [SPEAKER_03]: Wherever you have crime, you do have police corruption. 05:34.146 --> 05:40.088 [SPEAKER_03]: The way it was, the way it is, the way it'd always be, and I'm not casting disperses on cops, yet some good and some bad. 05:40.488 --> 05:45.350 [SPEAKER_03]: But this is the chief of police, outwardly supported one of these factions, the provenisinals, 05:46.980 --> 05:50.662 [SPEAKER_03]: led the foreigners that haven't killed. 05:51.802 --> 05:53.343 [SPEAKER_03]: But the people they arrested didn't do it. 05:54.684 --> 06:05.629 [SPEAKER_03]: But just for the fact that they were tainted with the mere accusation of the crime, and we can't forget also that the fact that they were Italians, they were outsiders. 06:05.989 --> 06:06.849 [SPEAKER_03]: This is something new. 06:07.190 --> 06:14.273 [SPEAKER_03]: Same thing happened when the Irish came here, when the Chinese came here, and the Western public in the country to build railroads, the same thing happened. 06:16.952 --> 06:32.661 [SPEAKER_03]: out of the country was the past well it happened in New York City also soon after that with the with the Italian immigrants yeah in fact you told me a story which you put in the book oh show you a clipping one day when you were in the world 06:33.720 --> 06:50.606 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when they were building the reservoir in Central Park, they had a job opportunity, a wanted, and it listed every nationality, and the last behind Chinese black and all, 06:55.520 --> 06:59.121 [SPEAKER_00]: And the wops used to stand for without papers. 06:59.521 --> 07:00.602 [SPEAKER_00]: They just came here. 07:01.222 --> 07:03.682 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were offered the least amount of money. 07:05.223 --> 07:13.325 [SPEAKER_00]: And on that list, and that's when people like Costello and and Estasia and different, they want to correct it. 07:13.906 --> 07:20.228 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how New York fell into place after knowing what was going on in New Orleans. 07:20.868 --> 07:23.228 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Costello told you this for a reason. 07:25.625 --> 07:28.287 [SPEAKER_03]: that the Italians would have to be stepped on again. 07:28.567 --> 07:28.808 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 07:29.568 --> 07:32.230 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're around this article for one of those how many years. 07:33.011 --> 07:33.812 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, he did. 07:34.052 --> 07:44.680 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other reason he told me too, he didn't want us to want me to think that the organization had a Sicily was for that reason. 07:45.501 --> 07:52.747 [SPEAKER_00]: It was to organize and protect the Italian people coming here may be from Naples or whatever. 07:53.522 --> 08:19.030 [SPEAKER_03]: that you know they shouldn't be stepped upon or mistreated and that's how it started and then obviously the money in the greed and the expansion as with other ethnic groups they preyed on their own people right while we there they couldn't go anywhere else they wanted to commit crimes are committed against their own people but in this case of the chief of police he was scheduled to testify against the matrangers 08:20.302 --> 08:48.315 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... when he uh... unfortunately couldn't make a trap as a shot like nineteen times right uh... so but that was the first recorded uh... mob assassination in uh... american history that's well there's always been an unclave war organized for Italian organized crime which brings us to the subject of this evening uh... Carlos Marcello who was actually his real name was 08:49.214 --> 08:50.834 [SPEAKER_03]: the college year old men of core. 08:52.335 --> 08:54.756 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-uh, when he first came, he came here in ninth grade. 08:54.776 --> 08:59.457 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-uh, let me just correct you on that, because my oldest son is named a collogero. 08:59.477 --> 09:00.597 [SPEAKER_03]: A collogero, huh? 09:00.637 --> 09:18.642 [SPEAKER_03]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha 09:19.035 --> 09:21.315 [SPEAKER_03]: You worked with a guy that had the same last name. 09:22.716 --> 09:29.317 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know who's idea it was, probably, follows the father to change the name. 09:29.337 --> 09:34.138 [SPEAKER_03]: So we changed the name from metaphori to macelo. 09:34.898 --> 09:35.918 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was changed legally. 09:36.758 --> 09:39.419 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's how he got the last name. 09:40.639 --> 09:43.699 [SPEAKER_03]: Carlos was primarily a gambler. 09:44.840 --> 09:45.640 [SPEAKER_03]: That was his racket. 09:47.048 --> 09:47.908 [SPEAKER_03]: until they died. 09:47.968 --> 09:50.089 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was involved in other things, like all over the country. 09:50.109 --> 09:51.609 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's not a lot of things. 09:52.530 --> 09:57.771 [SPEAKER_03]: Which was considered by both folk lore and fact. 09:58.011 --> 10:01.012 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, some fact, to be an extremely powerful guy. 10:02.332 --> 10:08.874 [SPEAKER_03]: And generally, when you think of powerful mob figures, they have a lot of members in the crime family to back them up. 10:09.634 --> 10:10.255 [SPEAKER_03]: For instance, 10:15.823 --> 10:28.867 [SPEAKER_03]: can be no private family as 2,000 people in it, plus all the associates, and then the rest of the families are small about that still big, compared to Carlos Marcelo's family, he had 12 people in it. 10:29.427 --> 10:30.007 [SPEAKER_03]: That was it. 10:30.447 --> 10:33.988 [SPEAKER_03]: That was it, just 12 people, but he wielded a lot of 10:36.863 --> 10:46.148 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, geographically, the area that he controlled because of the anesthesia through the years as was the waterfront. 10:46.789 --> 10:54.933 [SPEAKER_00]: And he, I like you pointed out, he ran no warrants with an iron fist, and nobody crossed them. 10:55.794 --> 10:59.736 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though they're only 12, they knew. 11:00.016 --> 11:02.397 [SPEAKER_00]: And you talked about them at trigonus, 11:06.319 --> 11:32.063 [SPEAKER_03]: he stepped in at a very young age so he was an all-time gangster in an in an all-time he was called before the Keefapha Committee in 1951 because of you don't know what that was that was a federal panel if you will investigate organized crime up until that time organized crime when everybody who about organized crimes what they saw in the movies in the game 11:35.568 --> 11:41.229 [SPEAKER_03]: that the Keef of a committee tried to bring it to life, to prove that this is a real thing. 11:42.509 --> 11:49.811 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was one of the first TV shows, this is 1951, this alivized, a gripped the nation. 11:51.431 --> 11:56.872 [SPEAKER_03]: Marcelo testified, if you could call, pleading to 50 men in 152 times. 11:57.872 --> 11:58.372 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 11:59.552 --> 12:02.673 [SPEAKER_03]: But when people aren't aware of it, when you take the fifth, 12:03.364 --> 12:05.545 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't take the shoes, what you're going to take the fifth from. 12:06.705 --> 12:08.606 [SPEAKER_03]: You take the fifth, you take the fifth on everything. 12:09.126 --> 12:09.346 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:09.866 --> 12:10.306 [SPEAKER_03]: You get a name. 12:10.846 --> 12:11.847 [SPEAKER_03]: I refuse to testify. 12:11.867 --> 12:15.508 [SPEAKER_03]: I know the crowds are destroying, you know, it can tend to incriminate everything. 12:16.308 --> 12:24.331 [SPEAKER_00]: And the interesting thing about you saying that, I don't know how this came about, but I took the fifth a couple of times. 12:25.071 --> 12:30.553 [SPEAKER_00]: Only to be, because I was totally unaware of taking the fifth and as long as, 12:31.678 --> 12:35.219 [SPEAKER_00]: the commission was involved or a grand jury was involved. 12:36.339 --> 12:40.200 [SPEAKER_00]: You get 180 days automatic grade out time. 12:40.600 --> 12:42.381 [SPEAKER_00]: And they'll ask you the same question again. 12:43.401 --> 12:54.004 [SPEAKER_00]: And that can go on for a long time only because I know that because in case they want to be to become and testify on, I wouldn't have disappeared. 12:54.504 --> 12:57.925 [SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of people don't realize you can get 180 days. 12:59.713 --> 13:01.234 [SPEAKER_03]: for contact. 13:03.014 --> 13:04.815 [SPEAKER_03]: Did they really put people away for 180 days? 13:05.055 --> 13:11.738 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, they did it several times and I knew in some case where they pulled them out and asked them to question again, they have to wait through. 13:13.759 --> 13:25.304 [SPEAKER_03]: The object from the bomb's point of view is that if you plead to fit to every possible even in obvious questions about where you live or anything like that, if the wild 13:26.044 --> 13:29.745 [SPEAKER_03]: took 150 to questions in my cell's case, they're just going to get tired asking the questions. 13:30.505 --> 13:33.005 [SPEAKER_03]: But the answer's going to be. 13:34.425 --> 13:37.326 [SPEAKER_03]: And my cell, though, was a really independent guy. 13:37.346 --> 13:42.647 [SPEAKER_03]: He had a long standing tradition of independence from my philosophical in other areas. 13:42.707 --> 13:54.949 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he enacted a policy with his 12 strong family that forbade my philosophical from other families to visit Louisiana without his permission. 13:55.488 --> 13:56.988 [SPEAKER_03]: Such was the power of this guy. 13:57.768 --> 14:20.473 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then, yeah, I remember here in the stories, but then, but he infiltrated Dallas, he infiltrated everywhere, and that's how he was a good friend of the Santo Travacante, and he expanded to the five films in New York and Chicago, because it's where we are now in our new book, 14:25.426 --> 14:30.610 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember the age of 15, and I October 1957. 14:31.751 --> 14:47.763 [SPEAKER_00]: I met the colleague in Bino in the morning in the cafe, as I used it a lot, he had to go to church in Ferraris, and he said, I know you know there's a party tonight at the Copa, but I want you to be there a little earlier around 630. 14:49.178 --> 14:49.758 [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay. 14:50.119 --> 14:53.041 [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I want you to dress up a little presentable. 14:53.441 --> 14:55.283 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to introduce you to some people. 14:56.624 --> 15:07.733 [SPEAKER_00]: And up in that lobby, that night, I can't believe that, you know, someone asked this question long before you and I were getting into the book. 15:08.814 --> 15:15.559 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I'm hearing Carlos's name, you know, it was an intricate part of our first book 15:18.866 --> 15:27.771 [SPEAKER_00]: But not realizing when I got there, Colo Gambino is holding court in the Copa lounge upstairs. 15:28.652 --> 15:33.855 [SPEAKER_00]: And the first guy he introduced me to was Sam G. and Connor from Chicago. 15:36.116 --> 15:38.298 [SPEAKER_00]: The second guy was Colos. 15:39.438 --> 15:40.759 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think we should 15:45.040 --> 15:48.503 [SPEAKER_03]: and wanted a base of your very young man to be introduced around. 15:48.543 --> 15:51.145 [SPEAKER_03]: That was so that we'd get familiar with your face, right? 15:51.185 --> 15:55.748 [SPEAKER_03]: What was your world delivering messages? 15:55.869 --> 16:06.737 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they were going to start something that is a very intricate part of even Carlos's future life from that day on, and Sam Giancarna's day on. 16:07.097 --> 16:10.660 [SPEAKER_00]: Unbeknownst to me, I met over that weekend, 16:14.585 --> 16:16.106 [SPEAKER_00]: They were all staying at the world off. 16:17.106 --> 16:27.291 [SPEAKER_00]: And this potted, they used a potted, they were throwing for to chore, for that Friday night, because he was a degenerate gambler. 16:28.151 --> 16:32.713 [SPEAKER_00]: And on stage was the backpack, including Johnny Cawson. 16:33.173 --> 16:39.316 [SPEAKER_00]: Ringside was Milton Broad, Jackie Gleason, Henny Youngman, throwing one lineers. 16:40.298 --> 16:43.400 [SPEAKER_00]: in the back of the room was the whole Yankees. 16:44.221 --> 16:49.045 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about Yogi Barra, even the giants, friend, give it with you. 16:49.565 --> 17:06.038 [SPEAKER_00]: Who's who of society, the news media, the mob and celebrities were all in there to pay homage, to touch your and get them out of debt one more time. 17:06.458 --> 17:09.100 [SPEAKER_00]: The whole take that night, went to him. 17:09.828 --> 17:10.709 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, how long did that work? 17:10.769 --> 17:11.730 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought before it was broken. 17:11.750 --> 17:24.441 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, probably next week, but the funniest part of that night, now that I reflect on it, I was wondering, like you pointed out, why does he want me to meet everybody? 17:25.001 --> 17:32.848 [SPEAKER_00]: Because from that day on or soon after, I was going to travel to meet all these people as a messenger. 17:33.778 --> 17:36.679 [SPEAKER_00]: And they wanted to make sure they know who was coming. 17:37.120 --> 17:39.000 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was the kid, and this is the kid. 17:40.021 --> 17:50.806 [SPEAKER_00]: And 22 months later, the nomination of JFK, and they arranged it to be the new Democratic nominee. 17:51.686 --> 17:52.186 [SPEAKER_00]: President. 17:52.887 --> 17:54.567 [SPEAKER_03]: That party was a great cover. 17:55.047 --> 17:55.428 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 17:56.048 --> 17:56.488 [SPEAKER_03]: Sit down. 17:56.888 --> 18:00.690 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, granted, the truth was a popular guy. 18:01.482 --> 18:04.064 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, how popular can you be to get those kind of names? 18:04.084 --> 18:11.550 [SPEAKER_03]: You had to take this, you know, I could see that, but the Bush tool in the American mafia, that's like hiding in plain sight. 18:11.731 --> 18:11.911 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 18:11.931 --> 18:23.521 [SPEAKER_03]: So, the county, and let's go business, and the business of that night was, how do we get this young congressman from Massachusetts to be the next president of the United States? 18:23.781 --> 18:26.203 [SPEAKER_00]: And they met for the next two days at the Waldorf. 18:27.002 --> 18:56.355 [SPEAKER_00]: and put this whole thing together then that you know I only found out as I started traveling as I started spending more time which's funny because that the first time I met Sinatra was about three weeks prior at the Copa when he was doing a sound check and I had a conversation with him letting him know how he became my mentor unbeknownst to him by a transistor radio 18:57.586 --> 19:10.257 [SPEAKER_00]: And soon after that, I'm sitting in his audience, not only that night at this copa, but soon after at the copa, that Jack and Trotta was running for Costello at the San's Hotel. 19:11.038 --> 19:14.721 [SPEAKER_00]: And sitting at the next table is Senator John F. Kennedy. 19:15.422 --> 19:17.684 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's the history of all of this. 19:18.404 --> 19:22.067 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they were so smart and how they did these things. 19:22.948 --> 19:23.649 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing, birthdays. 19:24.078 --> 19:50.485 [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and you know it's a funny thing that night the copa closed it seven in the morning never did that before they broke every law the party went on to seven in the morning work on last call yeah and it was written up it was written up and a lot of the columns that we'll be exploiting in the book but um this gentleman who asked for this this question 19:51.408 --> 19:54.630 [SPEAKER_00]: has become so timely in what we're doing now. 19:55.391 --> 20:08.058 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have so much more to yet to about call us, I mean, his reign with organized crime spread throughout the United States, and very well respected. 20:09.239 --> 20:13.522 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, his problems with the Kennedy's at a 1959. 20:13.722 --> 20:15.363 [SPEAKER_03]: He appeared before the United States Senate's 20:21.349 --> 20:40.300 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... this was likely to uh... to give off a family nine is later much more powerful and he had to give off a committee and a solid damn thing didn't do anything they had to hear it was a television got good ratings and then it died nobody paid attention where i found out about all of those even when 20:41.675 --> 20:44.516 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Custello was called in front of them. 20:45.016 --> 20:46.956 [SPEAKER_00]: They were all, it was election year. 20:46.976 --> 20:51.537 [SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to show the public that they're going to crack down on organized crime. 20:52.037 --> 20:54.838 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was good for the budgets for the FBI. 20:55.398 --> 21:00.839 [SPEAKER_00]: And even them getting elected for their districts that they represented. 21:01.159 --> 21:03.820 [SPEAKER_00]: But like you said, nothing happened to us all over. 21:04.840 --> 21:05.500 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 21:05.540 --> 21:06.541 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 21:06.841 --> 21:08.701 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 21:09.617 --> 21:31.682 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... the uh... chief counsel is rather can't right whether the uh... committee didn't mean business he did oh no he he he loved it in fact as you pointed out even in our book for the longest time jay go over denounced the fb are there was no organized crime because they had him 21:32.877 --> 21:41.224 [SPEAKER_00]: as a cross-dress and there were blackmailing him, and his only bookmaker, his only personal bookmaker, and he was a degenerate gambler. 21:41.765 --> 21:54.495 [SPEAKER_00]: J. G. Hoover bet every day, and Frank Costello took his bets personally, and if he won, he'd call the next day to get paid, but if we lost, you would never hear from them, they'd just get battened. 21:55.336 --> 21:58.279 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a good thing, you know, but for then on, 22:01.597 --> 22:03.218 [SPEAKER_03]: and embarrassed him at that committee. 22:03.898 --> 22:07.561 [SPEAKER_03]: He, uh, about the candidates to pay his attention to enemies. 22:08.542 --> 22:09.022 [SPEAKER_03]: You hate him. 22:10.463 --> 22:15.966 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you also, you know, when you went on the errand for Custell of Brighton assassination, do you mean him in Moscow's restaurant? 22:15.986 --> 22:16.387 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course. 22:16.407 --> 22:16.567 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 22:16.607 --> 22:29.235 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he 22:30.831 --> 22:31.451 [SPEAKER_03]: things you read. 22:31.551 --> 22:32.932 [SPEAKER_03]: I understand he owned it. 22:33.273 --> 22:33.713 [SPEAKER_00]: He owned it. 22:33.793 --> 22:34.714 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he definitely owned it. 22:35.234 --> 22:35.875 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he owned it. 22:35.955 --> 22:36.496 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that. 22:37.016 --> 22:50.148 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and that's why he did it because he was so paranoid about bugs and stuff, his guys who cleaned it. 22:51.019 --> 22:57.581 [SPEAKER_00]: They not only cleaned it, they were on their hands and knees, look at the wires and bugs, and he had music playing all the time. 22:58.222 --> 23:04.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Not, I tell you, he had the best post of ugly beyond going to the world for the people who don't know what that is. 23:04.504 --> 23:11.486 [SPEAKER_00]: It's clams with white sauce, and I had a ball every time I went to one night only, he wouldn't let me stay. 23:11.846 --> 23:17.328 [SPEAKER_00]: I left, but you know, but I only because of my relationship 23:20.500 --> 23:22.981 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they go back for another reason, which we'll talk about. 23:23.981 --> 23:32.903 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy was part of the commission, which was Myelansky, Frank Estello, Tonya Cotto. 23:33.483 --> 23:35.744 [SPEAKER_00]: Cotto was always the head of Chicago. 23:35.764 --> 23:40.265 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Sam Giancana was the street boss and the front boss. 23:40.765 --> 23:48.387 [SPEAKER_00]: But all these guys, and Cevella and these guys had a Kansas city, they had a tremendous respect. 23:49.288 --> 24:01.152 [SPEAKER_00]: and when, you know, they got obviously JFK president and unfortunately, he didn't do the deal because of his brother, we know what that's about. 24:01.753 --> 24:07.255 [SPEAKER_00]: But through that own or deal, you know, as you know, they imported them. 24:08.755 --> 24:13.297 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he went, he went and what he thought was a routine to put them all up. 24:13.966 --> 24:16.047 [SPEAKER_03]: While he was down there, they deported him down there. 24:16.147 --> 24:17.208 [SPEAKER_03]: He came from Tunisia. 24:17.248 --> 24:18.368 [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't come from Guatemala. 24:18.768 --> 24:19.089 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody. 24:19.389 --> 24:23.991 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, but his paperwork was in an order, so they grabbed the men. 24:24.031 --> 24:25.452 [SPEAKER_00]: Bobby was trying to use that. 24:26.332 --> 24:28.193 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, too much later, he's back in the States. 24:28.553 --> 24:28.893 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 24:29.374 --> 24:32.335 [SPEAKER_03]: The Central America, the Mexico, and he had to take the Texas border. 24:33.075 --> 24:38.618 [SPEAKER_03]: But they're after what efforts by the government to deploy them. 24:40.256 --> 24:46.439 [SPEAKER_03]: He was charged with conspiracy to the force of government by obtaining a force of quantum island, but it's a difficult, it's a bullshit charges. 24:46.899 --> 24:50.141 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, oh no, yeah, they were doing everything on this guy. 24:50.901 --> 25:00.166 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, basically a fine, you know, conspiracy to a struck United States government, the exercise that you write to the force called us by cello, it was acquitted of both charges, no. 25:01.266 --> 25:07.870 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the whole thing, that was already, by 1959 by then, you know, that whole thing, 25:09.402 --> 25:11.783 [SPEAKER_00]: He was already controlling Jack Ruby and Dallas. 25:12.284 --> 25:15.185 [SPEAKER_00]: He expanded, that, that, him and Custard were partners. 25:15.205 --> 25:18.347 [SPEAKER_00]: And all the game, all the, all the slot machines and everything. 25:18.947 --> 25:23.790 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's how, uh, a him and, I started with friends, but they were, because of business problems. 25:23.850 --> 25:31.194 [SPEAKER_03]: That's all, the thousands of slot machines based on, uh, policies, okay. 25:31.474 --> 25:31.775 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 25:32.615 --> 25:34.056 [SPEAKER_03]: There was a mutual friendship. 25:34.196 --> 25:35.096 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he started that, uh, 25:38.502 --> 25:43.526 [SPEAKER_03]: He spent some time in prison, and this guy didn't uh, he wasn't a John guy, he made a guy. 25:43.606 --> 25:48.990 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he didn't, I think he did nine years early on that need for a back robber or something. 25:49.010 --> 26:00.198 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, well, he got, he got a, he got arrested and uh, uh, uh, uh, for our consorting with uh, known criminals in the Lustella restaurant, you know, in Queens? 26:00.998 --> 26:01.319 [SPEAKER_03]: No. 26:02.199 --> 26:06.242 [SPEAKER_03]: The forest tells on Queensborough, but I do, he's the, uh, he got arrested for 26:07.809 --> 26:08.530 [SPEAKER_03]: with no criminals. 26:09.030 --> 26:14.194 [SPEAKER_03]: This friends, there was a big raid in the Stellos, it was supposed to be like a mini apolaken meeting. 26:14.894 --> 26:17.376 [SPEAKER_03]: Their restaurant was closed, feds bust in, locked everybody up. 26:17.877 --> 26:22.160 [SPEAKER_03]: So he was consorting with people like him. 26:22.240 --> 26:24.341 [SPEAKER_03]: Like the apolaken meeting was nothing came out of. 26:24.722 --> 26:24.962 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 26:25.542 --> 26:28.604 [SPEAKER_03]: And then the Stellos, all the charges were dropped. 26:29.685 --> 26:31.507 [SPEAKER_03]: And he went back to New Orleans. 26:31.527 --> 26:37.111 [SPEAKER_00]: But early on, I know when you, as he was growing up, he was doing a lot of street stuff. 26:37.934 --> 26:39.655 [SPEAKER_00]: And I heard he didn't know he is. 26:40.515 --> 26:42.696 [SPEAKER_03]: He did a lot of times a stretch down. 26:42.736 --> 26:45.818 [SPEAKER_03]: He did two years for assaulting an FBI agent. 26:46.798 --> 26:49.860 [SPEAKER_03]: His first trial is something that I'm sure he was trying to incorporate this. 26:50.180 --> 26:52.341 [SPEAKER_03]: This guy got a lot of years, but did a little time. 26:52.641 --> 26:55.663 [SPEAKER_03]: He got two years for assaulting the federal agent for just six months. 26:56.063 --> 26:56.703 [SPEAKER_03]: Make sure you wonder. 26:57.103 --> 26:57.363 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 26:58.004 --> 27:03.506 [SPEAKER_03]: The federal charge, if you know anything about federal time, you do get time if you get to do it federally. 27:04.027 --> 27:06.488 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not necessarily just parol in the federal system. 27:08.241 --> 27:13.586 [SPEAKER_03]: getting 15% of your time could be shaved for being a good president. 27:14.006 --> 27:15.548 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no parole. 27:15.908 --> 27:19.091 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't get five to ten in other words in the federal system. 27:19.111 --> 27:22.274 [SPEAKER_03]: You get 70 months, 80 months, 90 months. 27:22.414 --> 27:23.915 [SPEAKER_03]: They don't talk about in years. 27:24.455 --> 27:30.681 [SPEAKER_03]: But his 24 months was somehow miraculously shaved down his sixth once he was in. 27:31.341 --> 27:33.103 [SPEAKER_03]: He got out of that and there was others. 27:34.624 --> 27:35.005 [SPEAKER_03]: He was 27:37.247 --> 28:03.999 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... him and two other people were invited uh... indicted in the walls of the spares he racketeering racketeering bail for why afroid uh... uh... came to bribe state officials uh... in the insurance scams resulted in an FBI investigation is pre-land uh... with a allowed the admission of security court conversations uh... was demonstrated corruption at the highest levels of state government 28:07.703 --> 28:14.047 [SPEAKER_03]: with two other people, the two other people or a quit, he was the only one that didn't get a quit. 28:15.147 --> 28:19.630 [SPEAKER_03]: And he got locked up, but I felt to find how much time he actually served. 28:20.651 --> 28:36.000 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the interesting thing about all of that, and as we know, and his influence in getting JFK elected was, I mean, he brought in the waterfront 28:37.060 --> 29:00.425 [SPEAKER_00]: New Orleans to San Francisco, which they still control that that time, and the anesthesia has had from Canada to New Orleans, so that that brotherhood, the international Welsh woman's union alone, was a huge vote power, and then they were all involved in Santo Traficanti was a very close friend to Fidel Castro, and 29:01.740 --> 29:25.223 [SPEAKER_00]: when the conspiracy was that they were going to, the candidates were supposed to invade Cuba, as we all know, the Bay of Biggs, but Robert Kennedy, which he when I touched on on our first book, was that they didn't see either I would as brother or a father, and he went after everybody, and they were trying to prove 29:26.012 --> 29:52.833 [SPEAKER_00]: that you know because he had his own shooter there and maybe many people knew that Leigh Harvey Oswald was my cellos private shooter he heard him on the radio he did the history on this guy the sky was a Marine trained as a moxman but he was a Nazi lover and when he got musted out he even has a Marine he was in Germany and they threw him out but he heard 29:55.864 --> 30:02.528 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, my cellos, I mean, Leahave Oswell's parents lived in New Orleans. 30:03.989 --> 30:05.851 [SPEAKER_00]: And he found out he was in town. 30:06.171 --> 30:08.913 [SPEAKER_00]: He invited him to the restaurant. 30:08.933 --> 30:10.634 [SPEAKER_03]: He would be a quite a while. 30:10.734 --> 30:15.857 [SPEAKER_03]: Leahave Oswell's full-on organization called Fair Play for Cuba Committee. 30:16.197 --> 30:16.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 30:17.138 --> 30:18.199 [SPEAKER_03]: So he was a socialist. 30:18.579 --> 30:18.959 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 30:19.520 --> 30:24.223 [SPEAKER_03]: Like he defected to Russia, but once he got there, he said, 30:25.427 --> 30:31.572 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I did the wrong thing, and he spent as much time trying to get out of there as he did trying to get into the country. 30:31.653 --> 30:31.933 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 30:32.453 --> 30:53.011 [SPEAKER_03]: Why I'm he met a woman, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh 30:53.466 --> 31:04.489 [SPEAKER_00]: But somehow, my cellos found out about this kid's hatred for the American government and the passion like you're saying, a Cuba. 31:05.029 --> 31:10.290 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he convinced him to kill the president. 31:10.570 --> 31:12.611 [SPEAKER_00]: He was the shooter that we all knew about. 31:13.448 --> 31:16.909 [SPEAKER_00]: And the other guy that they had, controllable was Jack Ruby. 31:17.309 --> 31:21.951 [SPEAKER_00]: Jack Ruby was my cellos' guy and Castellos' guy. 31:22.511 --> 31:26.913 [SPEAKER_00]: And he actually Chicago also running all their gaming stuff and Dallas. 31:27.933 --> 31:30.294 [SPEAKER_03]: He was primarily connected to Chicago. 31:30.654 --> 31:30.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 31:31.615 --> 31:34.436 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he had a couple of, he had two clubs and Dallas. 31:35.176 --> 31:35.596 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 31:36.076 --> 31:39.818 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the end, he was connecting with Chicago a lot, 31:43.368 --> 31:59.416 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're unlicensed strip joints and we're taking his business away from him, but he figured he could go to Chicago, so they could apply pressure on these people to push them out of business, because the clubs, the illegal clubs, were pushing Jack Ruby out of business. 32:00.036 --> 32:06.299 [SPEAKER_03]: Jack Ruby was a little bit uncontrollable, so to speak, at vicious temper. 32:06.479 --> 32:09.081 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he thought he had the backing of Chicago be on him, that's why. 32:12.360 --> 32:14.020 [SPEAKER_03]: why they didn't do anything to help them at all? 32:14.620 --> 32:35.465 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was, why they didn't, he was bringing so much attention to them, which they didn't need that time, because first of all, they got JFK to be president and now, as we all know, soon after, they have to take JFK out, and he was a piece of that puzzle. 32:42.617 --> 32:44.758 [SPEAKER_03]: They thought he had a psychological problem. 32:44.778 --> 32:45.799 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to stay away from this. 32:46.319 --> 32:48.220 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised he, I'm probably did. 32:48.700 --> 33:08.910 [SPEAKER_00]: But they convinced him to, we'll get you down in the passageway of the jail when they're transferring Leiavi Oswell, you shoot him and you'll become a hero because you shot the guy that they thought killed JFK because Leiavi Oswell got all the publicity. 33:09.913 --> 33:18.917 [SPEAKER_00]: the other two shooters didn't delay and Iran when they did that whole theory on tracing the bullet that it couldn't be hit three people. 33:20.398 --> 33:26.100 [SPEAKER_00]: They found out later, Lee Harvey Oswald hit the governor of Texas in the front seat. 33:27.081 --> 33:35.865 [SPEAKER_00]: And Johnny Rosnelly's bullet was the kill shot from the sewer because on the angle that's where blew out JFK's back of his skull. 33:40.548 --> 33:42.809 [SPEAKER_00]: What's this kid's name that asked this question? 33:43.789 --> 33:46.670 [SPEAKER_00]: James James did he give a last name? 33:48.150 --> 33:51.651 [SPEAKER_04]: Now just just James we go by strictly first names around here. 33:51.751 --> 34:06.676 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I hope he's not with the FBI because we give it all the money information It's so crazy, but it's it's it's amazing how this stuff is 34:08.013 --> 34:09.975 [SPEAKER_00]: We're all history now, at the end of the year. 34:09.995 --> 34:12.557 [SPEAKER_03]: Who ever heard of a mobloin named Frank Rogano? 34:14.178 --> 34:15.139 [SPEAKER_00]: Frank Rogano? 34:15.819 --> 34:18.862 [SPEAKER_03]: Rogano and R.H.G.A.N.O. 34:18.902 --> 34:19.943 [SPEAKER_00]: Where was he in New Orleans? 34:20.643 --> 34:22.805 [SPEAKER_03]: He was, he was my cello's attorney. 34:23.506 --> 34:24.186 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, a lawyer. 34:24.346 --> 34:24.847 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay. 34:25.027 --> 34:25.908 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was my lawyer. 34:25.928 --> 34:27.309 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he wrote a book. 34:27.809 --> 34:30.111 [SPEAKER_03]: Surprisingly enough, called Robloin. 34:30.712 --> 34:32.293 [SPEAKER_03]: He wrote it in 1994. 34:35.333 --> 34:39.654 [SPEAKER_03]: And in the book, I don't know how you got away with any of this, but it's wasn't the first time. 34:39.674 --> 34:43.755 [SPEAKER_03]: He, this guy liked to talk odd for a working mob lawyer. 34:44.315 --> 34:50.856 [SPEAKER_03]: But he said he relayed a message in 1963 from Jimmy Hoffa, who was ahead of the team. 34:50.896 --> 34:51.516 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good time. 34:51.916 --> 34:54.797 [SPEAKER_03]: Too much cello and sent to a traffic jam. 34:54.817 --> 34:55.857 [SPEAKER_03]: The mafia was a Florida. 34:58.077 --> 35:00.698 [SPEAKER_03]: Urging the two mafia bosses to kill Kennedy. 35:02.582 --> 35:26.911 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... but we got a little bit of claim that for he he he he put this out four days before traffic on to die uh... uh... uh... they they conspired well he he uh... if i my memory serves me right what i've read he was the lawyer that prevented another deportation from our cellos and he was the one yeah 35:30.408 --> 35:32.390 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he was still working, but he wrote this book. 35:32.410 --> 35:34.191 [SPEAKER_03]: He was still actively in a target. 35:34.632 --> 35:39.616 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm surprised the state around as long as he did, namely, at least in the end of the book. 35:40.697 --> 35:43.539 [SPEAKER_03]: He's probably dead by now, I would assume. 35:44.460 --> 35:45.400 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we think so. 35:46.121 --> 35:46.281 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 35:46.301 --> 35:54.868 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to testify before the Warren Commission, he testified before the House of Committee on Assassinations. 35:55.609 --> 35:56.970 [SPEAKER_03]: He was even never showed up this guy. 35:57.768 --> 36:09.897 [SPEAKER_00]: But the war commission to me even being as young as I was and over here in what I heard in Chicago How they gave the war a commit I think is the name was Eli Warren. 36:09.977 --> 36:10.937 [SPEAKER_00]: What was his first name? 36:12.078 --> 36:14.200 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, what was his name? 36:15.480 --> 36:16.421 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good question. 36:16.781 --> 36:25.928 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, some some but in Chicago Yeah, but they was controlled by the Chicago mob and he did the investigation 36:31.376 --> 36:35.297 [SPEAKER_03]: He was the head guy, and he didn't do anything, but he organized everything. 36:35.317 --> 36:35.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 36:36.137 --> 36:37.757 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the best of the game is all over the country. 36:38.097 --> 36:50.881 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they just wanted to drag their feet, because the American public today still don't have the opportunity to review these files to see who was really involved in John of Kenney's over 50 years now. 36:51.861 --> 36:54.361 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they get released periodically. 36:57.710 --> 37:08.318 [SPEAKER_03]: But when this group of files were released in the late 90s, but the war commission's always, the report's always been, I read it only several times. 37:08.398 --> 37:09.599 [SPEAKER_03]: But the files get released. 37:09.859 --> 37:10.519 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's never. 37:10.859 --> 37:12.180 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're not the whole file. 37:12.701 --> 37:14.082 [SPEAKER_00]: They release what they want of it. 37:14.662 --> 37:15.563 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about the report. 37:15.883 --> 37:16.243 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 37:17.504 --> 37:20.046 [SPEAKER_03]: The files get released very often. 37:20.146 --> 37:21.947 [SPEAKER_03]: As time goes on, more and more files get released. 37:23.408 --> 37:25.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was a great question, James. 37:26.559 --> 37:29.321 [SPEAKER_04]: I hope before we go, is it okay if I ask a quick question? 37:29.821 --> 37:32.402 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know what we forgot to do is our commercial spots. 37:33.423 --> 37:35.644 [SPEAKER_04]: I know, we'll just do one before the bell back, it's all right. 37:35.724 --> 37:36.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 37:36.484 --> 37:37.665 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll go and get more of the figure. 37:37.805 --> 37:38.125 [SPEAKER_00]: Please. 37:38.265 --> 37:39.166 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're just starting out. 37:39.186 --> 37:40.707 [SPEAKER_04]: We're just getting used to it. 37:41.067 --> 37:47.050 [SPEAKER_04]: One thing I want to ask is, so one of Marcelo's nicknames was the godfather, which of course we've heard that time. 37:47.230 --> 37:48.831 [SPEAKER_00]: His real ones are the little man. 37:49.832 --> 37:51.693 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, but he wasn't me also called the godfather. 37:51.893 --> 37:52.873 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, godfather. 37:52.893 --> 37:54.094 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not from New Orleans, yeah. 37:55.154 --> 38:08.542 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm just curious, I don't know if there is a specific answer for this, but do you know how or why that term started to be used in an organized crime world, because it's primarily a religious term? 38:08.942 --> 38:09.203 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 38:09.423 --> 38:13.125 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have any idea where it's origin came from in the mafia realm? 38:14.266 --> 38:17.768 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a good question, but it's definitely 38:18.759 --> 38:32.471 [SPEAKER_00]: a religious term because a godfather or godmother is a substitute for your mother and father at birth if they should die, they're taking the responsibility of raising that child Catholic. 38:33.232 --> 38:38.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Then when you are a confirmation age, late 12, 13, 14, you're supposed to be 38:46.003 --> 38:49.424 [SPEAKER_00]: to guide you the rest of your life if your parents are dead. 38:49.944 --> 38:57.527 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think the sustenance and everybody else figured, he's the Godfather for the whole neighborhood. 38:58.727 --> 39:06.050 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's taken a place of your father and mother because when you do the code of a mark there, you give up your mother and father. 39:06.590 --> 39:09.051 [SPEAKER_00]: And you take that family in. 39:09.711 --> 39:14.153 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're actually releasing your total loyalty 39:15.436 --> 39:20.080 [SPEAKER_00]: And your mother and father and family are now in secondary position. 39:21.060 --> 39:23.502 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's because he... 39:23.562 --> 39:25.283 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that sounds like a good answer to me. 39:25.584 --> 39:29.827 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the ceremony, which I always thought, no, I don't know how many people know this. 39:30.487 --> 39:33.790 [SPEAKER_00]: The ceremony to become a man made person. 39:34.650 --> 39:36.932 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to pick your patron saint. 39:38.914 --> 39:42.757 [SPEAKER_00]: You pick a card like mine Saint Anthony. 39:46.405 --> 40:00.396 [SPEAKER_00]: They put the St. Anthony in your hand and light it on fire until the burns the ashes and you denounce him and then they cut your finger and take the blood of the new family. 40:01.437 --> 40:08.123 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if anybody knows that ceremony but that's the same ceremony. 40:15.387 --> 40:16.327 [SPEAKER_03]: who burned and held. 40:16.467 --> 40:18.528 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 40:18.768 --> 40:20.969 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that's most of it is a religious. 40:22.709 --> 40:27.250 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole religious basically ceremony to go into the mob. 40:28.871 --> 40:29.371 [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting. 40:29.411 --> 40:30.031 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know that. 40:30.231 --> 40:30.471 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 40:30.671 --> 40:36.093 [SPEAKER_03]: But with an example, if your grandmother is dying and she's going to throw her left 40:45.177 --> 40:47.779 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your loyalty is to that family. 40:48.199 --> 40:49.820 [SPEAKER_00]: What you made into that family? 40:50.500 --> 40:50.921 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 40:53.462 --> 40:54.103 [SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy. 40:55.283 --> 40:56.284 [SPEAKER_04]: Why didn't know that? 40:56.324 --> 40:59.906 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure a lot of other people listening didn't know about those ceremonies. 40:59.946 --> 41:01.987 [SPEAKER_04]: I definitely haven't ever attended this. 41:02.267 --> 41:02.928 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank God. 41:04.088 --> 41:04.549 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. 41:05.869 --> 41:08.131 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I think I'll have to pass, but I appreciate it. 41:09.151 --> 41:13.674 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, so before we get into the nail bag, we're going to take a quick commercial break. 41:14.540 --> 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stuff that has happened to you in life. 42:17.972 --> 42:21.596 [SPEAKER_04]: I do want to ask, what was your favorite memory you had with Elvis Presley? 42:22.937 --> 42:23.958 [SPEAKER_00]: Just hanging with him. 42:24.579 --> 42:32.527 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that guy, if we get about it, you know, who we all know Elvis, I was privileged, which is another, again, 42:33.507 --> 42:49.437 [SPEAKER_00]: the research and the Sinatra book is insane, but most people don't know it, but Frank Sinatra hated rock and roll and thought it was the noise and ridiculous and didn't like Elvis Presley. 42:50.397 --> 42:55.941 [SPEAKER_00]: So now I get a call from Maya and he says, Johnny, what are you doing this weekend? 42:56.681 --> 42:58.222 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, what do you want me to do? 42:58.802 --> 43:00.023 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you should come down here. 43:00.043 --> 43:01.564 [SPEAKER_00]: I was in New York. 43:02.084 --> 43:03.025 [SPEAKER_00]: So I go down there, 43:03.727 --> 43:17.797 [SPEAKER_00]: and they're planning to shoot a special, the Elvis Presley coming on from the war because he was like a hero in that uniform and he didn't dodge the draft like so many people were doing at that time. 43:18.978 --> 43:27.704 [SPEAKER_00]: And he made the announcement that Frank Sinatra's go hosting the show and I'm saying to myself, how did they get Frank to go host this? 43:28.525 --> 43:29.886 [SPEAKER_00]: I was a stupid question. 43:37.808 --> 43:41.891 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, next one is from John. 43:42.151 --> 43:45.554 [SPEAKER_04]: John says, Johnny, I love the book and have the audio and digital versions. 43:45.874 --> 43:48.176 [SPEAKER_04]: It's one of the most enjoyable reads I've ever had. 43:48.657 --> 43:53.040 [SPEAKER_04]: My question is about the mob and southern Connecticut, particularly Bridgeport. 43:53.421 --> 43:56.904 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you know about the killing of Frank Piccolo in the early 80s? 43:57.284 --> 44:00.967 [SPEAKER_04]: Also the curcio's who are pretty well known mobsters locally in years past? 44:01.785 --> 44:08.628 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you have to ask the Petriac as that time, because that whole area was controlled by him. 44:09.448 --> 44:11.609 [SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously, whitey bulge. 44:12.049 --> 44:20.213 [SPEAKER_00]: But as far as the Italians, the Petriac was in New England that they control that in Boston. 44:20.413 --> 44:23.194 [SPEAKER_00]: So I have nothing to say about that. 44:24.595 --> 44:27.216 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, John continues on saying, thanks for the podcast. 44:27.296 --> 44:30.277 [SPEAKER_04]: I listened to almost all the episodes in about two weeks at the work. 44:30.840 --> 44:35.863 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not quite caught up at almost, I've been telling everyone I know that listens to the podcast to listen. 44:36.083 --> 44:36.523 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be there. 44:36.543 --> 44:37.164 [SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure. 44:38.284 --> 44:38.625 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 44:39.205 --> 44:41.066 [SPEAKER_04]: Next one is from Sean. 44:41.746 --> 44:45.969 [SPEAKER_04]: Sean says, can you give us any updates on the Hollywood Godfather television series? 44:46.049 --> 44:48.711 [SPEAKER_04]: My friends and I are dying to know when it will come out. 44:49.471 --> 44:51.012 [SPEAKER_00]: Very timely question. 44:52.348 --> 45:08.173 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you can look for it as early as the fall of 2022, and we're going into pre-production now, but like as all of us are, we have a COVID situation and that's governing us when we could start. 45:08.453 --> 45:13.195 [SPEAKER_00]: We're hoping to start shooting principle photography as early as April and May. 45:15.955 --> 45:16.416 [SPEAKER_00]: How's that? 45:21.488 --> 45:22.588 [SPEAKER_00]: We all want thank God. 45:24.629 --> 45:26.770 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, next is from Linda. 45:27.010 --> 45:30.751 [SPEAKER_04]: Linda says, Johnny Patrick and Megan, what are each of your favorite holidays? 45:30.771 --> 45:34.013 [SPEAKER_03]: I like Auburn Day. 45:34.473 --> 45:36.994 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 45:38.594 --> 45:40.435 [SPEAKER_00]: Groundhog Day, I thought you were going to say. 45:45.512 --> 45:56.318 [SPEAKER_00]: I like religious holidays, even though Christmas is Christmas, but I think they convoluted so much with Santa Claus and all the falseities. 45:56.679 --> 45:58.140 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would have to say Easter. 45:58.760 --> 45:59.681 [SPEAKER_00]: I like Easter. 46:00.121 --> 46:03.143 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why it's the resurrection of the Christ. 46:03.343 --> 46:09.047 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no, I mean, yes, there are Easter bunnies, but they never really were a big 46:09.987 --> 46:11.127 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like fasting. 46:11.548 --> 46:13.228 [SPEAKER_00]: It brings you back to your religion. 46:13.828 --> 46:16.069 [SPEAKER_00]: But we did even on Holy Thursday. 46:16.409 --> 46:19.050 [SPEAKER_00]: I had to go to seven different churches with my grandmother. 46:19.851 --> 46:23.392 [SPEAKER_00]: And Christmas to me was a novelty. 46:25.013 --> 46:29.655 [SPEAKER_00]: Christ was born, but Santa Claus had a bigger pot in it. 46:33.996 --> 46:34.997 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you feel, Megan? 46:35.017 --> 46:35.877 [SPEAKER_00]: Which one is yours? 46:37.260 --> 46:42.765 [SPEAKER_04]: I think as a kid, mine was always Halloween just because I loved, you know, the fun of it. 46:42.945 --> 46:47.609 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think these days, it's Thanksgiving because, yeah, Christmas is nice. 46:47.629 --> 46:55.095 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think Thanksgiving is great because it's not so much about the gifts and things like that as it is about spending time with family. 46:55.115 --> 46:58.317 [SPEAKER_04]: And I certainly love the food, so that's a plus as well. 46:59.418 --> 47:04.743 [SPEAKER_03]: I've always, I'm a Pat, but yours, if that's getting to, but that reason, it isn't, 47:06.394 --> 47:12.577 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, commercial, no one's giving gifts, and it's just people that want to be around each other, and have a good time. 47:13.938 --> 47:14.499 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. 47:15.299 --> 47:25.425 [SPEAKER_00]: So I've been callous by all those kind of things because of my childhood number one, and then I created so many families. 47:25.765 --> 47:27.386 [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't go to any of them anyway. 47:28.086 --> 47:30.848 [SPEAKER_00]: I had 10 different families were when I go. 47:36.885 --> 47:40.007 [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, moving on, next one is from Thomas. 47:40.168 --> 47:44.650 [SPEAKER_04]: Thomas says, how does New York in the old days compare to New York now? 47:45.411 --> 47:47.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, there's no comparison. 47:47.992 --> 47:49.693 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus. 47:49.733 --> 47:52.936 [SPEAKER_00]: When you agree, the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. 47:53.036 --> 48:01.601 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I have been back to you up in a while, but through the miracle of the internet, I see pictures and videos. 48:02.358 --> 48:06.582 [SPEAKER_03]: of Manhattan, particularly Manhattan's west side, which really depresses me. 48:06.922 --> 48:07.683 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, me too. 48:08.163 --> 48:13.368 [SPEAKER_03]: Any number of Manhattan as a kid, I used to take a train there with my friends, just to walk the streets. 48:14.429 --> 48:21.695 [SPEAKER_03]: Essential park, if they have you going downtown, walking from the battery to Harlem. 48:22.496 --> 48:23.977 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's just a great town. 48:24.458 --> 48:24.738 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, 48:25.625 --> 48:27.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's two or three years. 48:27.706 --> 48:35.368 [SPEAKER_00]: It started with DiBlasio, and now with this COVID, it really, it's all problems that the city is having. 48:36.268 --> 48:43.990 [SPEAKER_03]: But it begins at the top, and that's the mayor, and it's, I mean, just for, what even the governor, she ain't helping matters here. 48:45.250 --> 48:47.091 [SPEAKER_03]: People using the streets is bad for him. 48:47.211 --> 48:50.792 [SPEAKER_03]: Junky shooting up on him in front of schools, and it's just bad. 48:51.838 --> 48:57.500 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, again, it's that homeless thing that is a part of the DeBoisio situation. 48:58.621 --> 49:05.004 [SPEAKER_00]: No bail, you get a ticket, you get a bench warrant and show up when to show back, then never coming back. 49:05.624 --> 49:09.605 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no bail for most crimes except the most violent crimes. 49:10.346 --> 49:15.088 [SPEAKER_03]: Any people know that they can read criminals a lot of them and say, well, get out of jail, freak off, lock me up again. 49:15.108 --> 49:16.368 [SPEAKER_03]: What do I care? 49:16.388 --> 49:20.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're doing violent, they're brick and windows and robbing stores and whatnot. 49:20.672 --> 49:21.953 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're violent crimes. 49:22.734 --> 49:24.476 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, people are people violent crimes. 49:24.556 --> 49:25.076 [SPEAKER_03]: It's dealt with. 49:25.417 --> 49:25.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 49:26.238 --> 49:38.029 [SPEAKER_03]: Things that are, you know, crimes against the community, like the same break in windows, during eating our streets, harassing people, it's a rumor. 49:38.349 --> 49:40.972 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, public urination is no longer a crime. 49:41.853 --> 49:42.534 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it is. 49:42.734 --> 49:43.474 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's hearing. 49:43.635 --> 49:44.856 [SPEAKER_00]: You could smoke marijuana. 49:45.880 --> 49:48.280 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's so marijuana is going to be legal every way. 49:48.360 --> 49:50.681 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but I'm saying, but on the streets, you could never do it up before. 49:51.341 --> 49:51.861 [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever. 49:53.241 --> 49:59.742 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, in states where marijuana is legal, my son spent a lot of time in the... Colorado, yeah. 50:00.262 --> 50:02.083 [SPEAKER_03]: The first state to make marijuana legal. 50:02.303 --> 50:03.763 [SPEAKER_03]: He couldn't spell it in the open. 50:05.163 --> 50:07.264 [SPEAKER_03]: It was not the issue that you couldn't spell it out. 50:07.324 --> 50:07.544 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 50:09.004 --> 50:15.405 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it was a little weird, but comparing old New York, if you call old, like 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago, 50:15.835 --> 50:29.600 [SPEAKER_04]: Now, night and day and now it's like, there's no comparison moving on, moving on, my last one for this evening is from Frankie. 50:29.960 --> 50:32.981 [SPEAKER_04]: Gianni, what is the most expensive purchase you've ever made? 50:34.722 --> 50:39.723 [SPEAKER_00]: The most expensive, probably my first boat. 50:40.364 --> 50:40.684 [SPEAKER_00]: I was 21. 50:42.187 --> 50:48.011 [SPEAKER_00]: I bought a $3 million riva, $148 fee, all cash. 50:50.152 --> 50:52.454 [SPEAKER_04]: That didn't, that's just absolutely insane. 50:52.634 --> 50:54.836 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you asked a question, I didn't say it. 50:55.816 --> 50:59.739 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, but I was curious too, it's just that it's just wild. 51:00.399 --> 51:01.500 [SPEAKER_03]: A really question. 51:01.540 --> 51:03.121 [SPEAKER_03]: Why did you invite us on this boat? 51:04.262 --> 51:05.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I can find it again. 51:05.623 --> 51:06.904 [SPEAKER_00]: I know right where it is. 51:08.045 --> 51:09.225 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to come to Barcelona? 51:12.122 --> 51:12.723 [SPEAKER_04]: I absolutely would. 51:12.743 --> 51:17.166 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no we we we we made take it out for a couple of cruises when we're celebrating our nomination in con for Hollywood Godfather. 51:17.186 --> 51:18.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, there we go perfect opportunity. 51:18.487 --> 51:18.968 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 51:18.988 --> 51:19.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Next. 51:19.168 --> 51:19.288 [SPEAKER_00]: Next. 51:19.308 --> 51:19.608 [SPEAKER_00]: Next. 51:19.628 --> 51:20.008 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 51:20.269 --> 51:20.869 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it for tonight. 51:20.949 --> 51:38.483 [SPEAKER_00]: A bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of 51:40.141 --> 51:41.482 [SPEAKER_04]: No, never. 51:41.742 --> 51:43.823 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we want to thank all of you again. 51:43.883 --> 51:45.344 [SPEAKER_00]: We're starting a new season. 51:45.864 --> 51:47.745 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a hundred and fourth show. 51:48.306 --> 51:50.767 [SPEAKER_00]: We're still going to appeal to you as we always do. 51:51.567 --> 51:54.429 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, reviews, tell your friends. 51:55.069 --> 51:59.432 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to expand and be in your house for the rest of our lives. 52:00.012 --> 52:01.513 [SPEAKER_00]: God bless you, stay safe. 52:02.205 --> 52:04.366 [SPEAKER_00]: and enjoy whatever you celebrate. 52:04.466 --> 52:31.000 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 52:31.140 --> 52:33.982 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for tuning in to the Hollywood Godfather podcast. 52:34.802 --> 52:43.768 [SPEAKER_04]: You can contact Gianni Rousseau, Patrick Pichorelli, for myself with your questions and comments through the contact section of our website, HollywoodGodfatherpodcast.com. 52:43.808 --> 52:45.629 [SPEAKER_02]: You can also call, my name is Alex. 52:45.649 --> 52:46.610 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:46.630 --> 52:47.451 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:47.471 --> 52:48.471 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:48.571 --> 52:49.192 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:49.212 --> 52:50.232 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:50.293 --> 52:51.113 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:51.133 --> 52:51.673 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:51.713 --> 52:52.594 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:52.674 --> 52:53.855 [SPEAKER_02]: My name is Alex. 52:56.056 --> 53:24.931 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna go home I'm 53:32.963 --> 53:33.925 [SPEAKER_00]: Give me your call. 53:37.210 --> 53:37.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:38.492 --> 53:40.135 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Wine Styles. 53:41.236 --> 53:43.540 [SPEAKER_01]: I love being here this much fun all the time. 53:43.580 --> 53:44.421 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.