WEBVTT 00:13.037 --> 00:17.098 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back everyone to a brand new episode of Friends From Work. 00:17.358 --> 00:28.083 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a podcast about all things in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and it's a podcast that's hosted by myself, Kyle Skodawell, and my longtime friend from work, Robbie Earl. 00:29.405 --> 00:33.527 [SPEAKER_00]: I got a chance to watch Avengers end game on core last Saturday. 00:34.528 --> 00:37.490 [SPEAKER_00]: And as I was walking out of the theater, I thought about this. 00:38.810 --> 00:43.873 [SPEAKER_00]: I obviously want to get into all of the new content that we got at the end of the movie. 00:43.893 --> 00:45.514 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we're going to do that here in a minute. 00:46.395 --> 00:46.555 [SPEAKER_00]: But. 00:47.964 --> 00:55.970 [SPEAKER_00]: I was very moved emotionally watching this movie with my wife in a screen X type theater, which is a little bit different. 00:56.430 --> 00:59.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't realize that you saw it in the screen X theater. 01:00.052 --> 01:11.160 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of accidentally did, but, you know, I think we needed to start the episode by taking a second to appreciate the film itself for a split second. 01:12.910 --> 01:29.705 [SPEAKER_00]: There are so many ways that this movie could have gone not as well as it did, and I'm sitting there seven years later watching it thinking, man, we are so lucky that Alan Sylvestery turned in the performance he did. 01:30.636 --> 01:30.856 [SPEAKER_01]: dude. 01:31.056 --> 01:31.316 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:31.637 --> 01:31.857 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:32.137 --> 01:40.423 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sitting there thinking every actor really hits the pinnacle of their character here. 01:41.123 --> 01:43.525 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like all the answers for me. 01:43.685 --> 01:45.286 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, who's that? 01:46.267 --> 01:48.909 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, it's funny. 01:49.089 --> 01:55.173 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, I sort of want to get this out of the way early because this is really the only knit that I had on this viewing. 01:55.354 --> 01:58.356 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's so funny having seen this movie so many times because I 02:00.310 --> 02:06.512 [SPEAKER_01]: there, there are always, I always have different impressions and sometimes that I think it's perfect sometimes there are things that hit me weird. 02:06.952 --> 02:10.313 [SPEAKER_01]: This time it was such a high in so many ways that we'll talk about. 02:11.114 --> 02:17.116 [SPEAKER_01]: But man, I just, I, I really get distracted by relations, performance, and this one sometimes. 02:19.560 --> 02:33.845 [SPEAKER_01]: And really, it's almost just that one scene, the scene where she is like, when Natasha's talking to all of the different folks that are kind of checking in, it's like, rowdy and rock it. 02:34.385 --> 02:35.005 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 02:35.025 --> 02:35.625 [SPEAKER_00]: Very good. 02:36.245 --> 02:38.046 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, oh, oh, yeah. 02:38.768 --> 02:55.440 [SPEAKER_01]: that's really the only one like the the scene where she she brings Tony back and she talks about going to get Thanos the final scene when she shows up I kind of love like I think the hey Peter Parker scene with Tom Holland is really great so it's it's not that I ain't and by the way I think that 02:56.160 --> 03:03.028 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I really liked what she did in the Marvels, and I think Greel Arson is a great actor in general. 03:03.088 --> 03:10.577 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's, I only pointed out because that movie I think is everyone is so on it and you can just tell that 03:11.760 --> 03:28.309 [SPEAKER_00]: she was probably filming that scene at the same time she was filming captain if you remember that was actually the first thing she ever filmed for Captain Marvel because those movies were coming out at the same time she filmed that scene first actually or apparently very early oh interesting 03:28.729 --> 03:29.670 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm totally with you. 03:29.810 --> 03:34.396 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate the delivery of there are a lot of other planets in the universe. 03:34.416 --> 03:35.597 [SPEAKER_00]: They're all going through the same thing. 03:35.737 --> 03:38.981 [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't have you or she says, and unfortunately, they don't have you guys. 03:39.381 --> 03:42.505 [SPEAKER_00]: I never understand if she's trying to sound sarcastic. 03:43.410 --> 03:45.271 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, she sounds like meaning cutting. 03:45.771 --> 03:48.413 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then Rocky goes fair point. 03:48.753 --> 03:51.014 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's not taking it as meaning cutting. 03:51.374 --> 03:53.055 [SPEAKER_00]: He's taking it as, oh, she's got a point. 03:53.175 --> 03:57.738 [SPEAKER_00]: Other plans are struggling, which on paper makes sense because that's decent writing. 03:57.758 --> 03:59.799 [SPEAKER_00]: Like other planets, it's not just Earth. 04:00.039 --> 04:00.960 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's going through this. 04:00.980 --> 04:01.760 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense to me. 04:02.120 --> 04:05.042 [SPEAKER_00]: But her delivery makes it seem like she's being a jerk about it. 04:05.322 --> 04:06.483 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, and I don't get that. 04:06.663 --> 04:08.064 [SPEAKER_00]: When she says unfortunately, 04:08.922 --> 04:09.182 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:09.342 --> 04:09.602 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:10.062 --> 04:18.725 [SPEAKER_01]: No, well, and the other thing for me is the, like, the fur face line, you know, where she's like, well, you were, you were closer. 04:19.225 --> 04:31.989 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it seems like it like angry, like it, like it feels like like rocket is kind of like rocket and Nebula are sort of joking with her and you expect her to kind of like. 04:33.064 --> 04:38.529 [SPEAKER_01]: joke, like, quit back and the line feels like they're supposed to be the read that their friends now. 04:38.590 --> 04:40.231 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it doesn't come off that way. 04:40.271 --> 04:43.715 [SPEAKER_01]: It comes off like she's like kind of pissed at everybody else on the call. 04:44.736 --> 04:49.881 [SPEAKER_01]: And then even the even the lot in part of it's the line, like, 04:51.096 --> 04:53.698 [SPEAKER_01]: where it's just like so you may not see me for a while. 04:54.298 --> 05:06.906 [SPEAKER_01]: It just reads so much like someone was like we need to explain why we're not going to see Captain Marvel for the bulk of this movie and I wish it was maybe like a tad more subtle for sure. 05:07.446 --> 05:11.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I don't want to go down that road and there's not really a road to go down because that's the only thing. 05:12.289 --> 05:12.470 [SPEAKER_01]: But 05:13.310 --> 05:28.755 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it it's it's maybe it's for now good the movie is that it's that yeah, yeah, that's the name because it's not a big deal, but it's for sure For sure that was what happened Right is Kathama came out there was a lot of controversy about why you had this character late last minute 05:29.315 --> 05:33.136 [SPEAKER_00]: So they added some things or edited some things to make it seem like, hey, she's gone. 05:33.176 --> 05:34.197 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why she hasn't been here. 05:34.297 --> 05:37.378 [SPEAKER_00]: And in general, that was a mistake of the infinity saga. 05:37.418 --> 05:38.898 [SPEAKER_00]: We've said that so many times in this podcast. 05:38.918 --> 05:46.081 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you could have just finished it and then announced Captain Marvel right afterwards as a kickoff to the multiverse saga and it totally could have worked. 05:46.461 --> 05:50.262 [SPEAKER_00]: But to try to say that she's been here and then she's just been busy is ridiculous. 05:50.702 --> 05:54.506 [SPEAKER_00]: and then she did get the memo about the final fight, but it was just really late. 05:54.666 --> 05:55.747 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of even ridiculous. 05:56.207 --> 05:59.710 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though I could get chills when she shows up and the visual was really cool. 06:00.131 --> 06:12.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, and in her defense, she's the only actor that was really put in that position of having to find her role in the context of that. 06:13.557 --> 06:15.198 [SPEAKER_01]: massive massive movie. 06:15.278 --> 06:18.919 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have to think about both like the pressure that's on her there. 06:19.279 --> 06:20.620 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are almost two separate things. 06:21.040 --> 06:24.482 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm critiquing her involvement having nothing to with Brie Larson. 06:24.762 --> 06:24.982 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 06:25.142 --> 06:29.724 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also things that Brie Larson is not doing very well, even with the her involvement. 06:29.884 --> 06:32.005 [SPEAKER_00]: But in general, I wouldn't have had her involved period. 06:32.565 --> 06:40.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just a, it's really unique in terms of the entire infinity saga, the position that she was put in. 06:41.492 --> 06:49.477 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like you never have somebody showing up and having to carry a role like that in a movie that they're not actually introduced in. 06:49.738 --> 06:54.281 [SPEAKER_01]: Like even if you look at like age of Ultron, where Elizabeth Olsen is introduced, 06:55.695 --> 07:14.098 [SPEAKER_01]: she's introduced like so it's not as though she's showing up supposed to have found exactly who the character already is and assuming that we know that and and she's all powerful so not only is she introduced it's like oh and also Thanos can head butter and she feels nothing 07:15.017 --> 07:40.915 [SPEAKER_01]: where I have real care so like that doesn't help or case like even Elizabeth also in age of Ultron is figuring it out and there's no there's no character history the only character history that we're able to get is the fury connect when we see her kind of linger on the shot of him as a missing person or as a as a blipped person but again it's like I think it's very different from the characters where you you definitely have a clear like 07:43.302 --> 07:47.866 [SPEAKER_01]: this person has a connection to this person who is currently also on screen. 07:48.566 --> 07:57.813 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she doesn't, she's so untethered, compared to every other character that's interacting that I think that's part of it too. 07:57.893 --> 08:05.299 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like there's very little history for her to fall back on or like a groove or chemistry that she's already established. 08:06.162 --> 08:15.504 [SPEAKER_01]: the way that, like, even the way that, like, Thor and, and rocket have, you know, just based on the time that we've gotten with them in prayer films. 08:15.544 --> 08:17.225 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, this is so funny. 08:17.285 --> 08:19.725 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to start with how special this movie is. 08:19.745 --> 08:21.686 [SPEAKER_00]: And now we just did five minutes on the thing that doesn't work. 08:21.706 --> 08:25.627 [SPEAKER_00]: So while we're here, I'll just also say the only other line I'd cut is still the cheese wasline. 08:25.727 --> 08:28.888 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only other line of my wife and I are like, yep, I'd take it out of the movie. 08:29.208 --> 08:31.968 [SPEAKER_00]: They could have done it on this, taken it out, and I think it's still perfect. 08:32.329 --> 08:33.729 [SPEAKER_00]: I love Thor's reaction to it. 08:34.269 --> 08:37.351 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't like the joke in the moment, doesn't seem to fit at all. 08:38.032 --> 08:39.933 [SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like it's really trying too hard. 08:40.194 --> 08:45.598 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, it's so mean spirited for a guy who is finally being very vulnerable. 08:47.119 --> 08:50.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I see, I always think about that when I watch it. 08:50.922 --> 08:52.042 [SPEAKER_01]: That one doesn't bother me as much. 08:52.523 --> 08:53.544 [SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree with your saying. 08:54.004 --> 09:03.011 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that it is, I think it kind of, I mean, people maybe didn't see him have, 09:04.756 --> 09:10.077 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, wrote he hadn't seen him get the redemption with his mother, because they were on separate universes or whatever. 09:10.838 --> 09:11.838 [SPEAKER_00]: So he didn't get to experience it. 09:11.878 --> 09:15.679 [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess you can say like, that's where he doesn't realize he's being insensitive. 09:16.779 --> 09:22.061 [SPEAKER_00]: But if he had known that, I feel like like that's a strength of love and thunder for me. 09:22.581 --> 09:33.344 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that it's so joking and goofy and ridiculous, but it reaches a threshold where then the movie goes, wait, now he's taking this seriously because the stakes have gotten really crazy. 09:33.965 --> 09:34.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:34.485 --> 09:35.586 [SPEAKER_00]: And the jokes kind of stop. 09:36.026 --> 09:37.666 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they come back at the very end once it's resolved. 09:38.566 --> 09:46.589 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that right at this moment where it's kind of in the result or the non-resolved part of it, but he has gotten some redemption that the joke hits right there. 09:48.209 --> 09:49.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I think I think that's fair. 09:50.230 --> 09:57.732 [SPEAKER_01]: I think for me it's part of it, though, is he is clearly not like, 10:00.010 --> 10:15.983 [SPEAKER_01]: It works for me because Rodey does it in a very dismissive way and then Tony does it in a much more sensitive way But they're saying the same thing which is like You're not in a spot to handle this like this. 10:16.003 --> 10:24.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Tony got the moment and he handled it Yeah, but but I think Tony didn't not my read and again I don't think that you're wrong, but the reason it doesn't bother me is that I think 10:25.690 --> 10:29.553 [SPEAKER_01]: you kind of see roady say it, you see it be a blow to Thor. 10:29.994 --> 10:35.298 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you see Tony, which is also a growth moment for Tony, because historically he would be the one to make a joke like that. 10:36.079 --> 10:43.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Then instead say the the more like empathetic you're not in any position to do it right now, you know. 10:44.026 --> 10:45.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I and I think that that's 10:47.478 --> 10:58.123 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the way I see like the rhythm of the scene because it is like he's asking to do it not and like you don't get the sense even though he's had this moment with his mom. 10:58.783 --> 11:04.326 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get the sense that he is back in a spot where he's he's good. 11:04.586 --> 11:13.209 [SPEAKER_01]: You get the sense that he's maybe now oriented in the right direction, but like even the way that he's trying to take the gauntlet has this kind of desperation to it that 11:14.952 --> 11:21.074 [SPEAKER_01]: unhealthy, like it doesn't seem like that's the right state to be doing that even if he were capable. 11:22.094 --> 11:25.655 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that, but again, all of that could be accomplished without the jokeline. 11:26.336 --> 11:28.476 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, starting over three, two, one, real. 11:29.176 --> 11:31.457 [SPEAKER_00]: I am so thankful. 11:33.678 --> 11:40.340 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm watching the movie, and I'm like, I turned on a kind of like, man, like, Clint, like, 11:41.706 --> 11:44.629 [SPEAKER_00]: Hawkeye turns in a great performance here right off the bat the beginning. 11:45.110 --> 11:47.332 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he like he does a good job with and all movie. 11:47.352 --> 11:48.413 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he does a really good job. 11:49.934 --> 11:55.680 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I love his reaction to rocket doing the joke and he goes like, okay, like I'm talking to a raccoon. 11:56.121 --> 12:04.089 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like a fits character, but I turned to her and I said that's great, but then I'm like wait Scarly is great in this with the peanut butter. 12:04.309 --> 12:11.115 [SPEAKER_00]: with the peanut butter sandwich and then obviously you know it cuts of the scene with Tony and Cap you know coming back from earth. 12:11.295 --> 12:16.100 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean even Tony and Nebula at the beginning and how Nebula shows him a lot of space by putting him. 12:16.360 --> 12:17.181 [SPEAKER_00]: She thinks he's dying. 12:17.501 --> 12:25.369 [SPEAKER_00]: She props him up in the seat like out of respect and their relationship the way when when finally he sees Gwyneth. 12:26.069 --> 12:29.933 [SPEAKER_00]: that reunion, the subtle moment of rocket holding Nebula's hand. 12:30.213 --> 12:33.977 [SPEAKER_00]: And I kept turned on it could be like, this person is great in this movie. 12:33.997 --> 12:36.059 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is the pinnacle of their character. 12:36.099 --> 12:38.341 [SPEAKER_00]: Then Ant-Man shows up and he's funny, yet he cares. 12:39.061 --> 12:45.127 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's, you know, I was struck by it's a really different perspective for him because he's the one that doesn't know what's going on. 12:45.167 --> 12:50.812 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's having to find this out where as like his daughter has been around for five years and he hasn't, it's kind of the universe. 12:51.473 --> 12:55.436 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, my point is, I'm thankful Sylvestery turned in just an unbelievable performance. 12:55.496 --> 12:59.900 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I'm like, man, all these actors turned in like the pinnacle of their career. 13:00.440 --> 13:14.912 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm like, it's unbelievable that the Russo's kind of edit this movie and direct it in such a way that it does flow this well and it's unexpected, like the beginning being unexpected and the shock of the one cutting off Thanos' head. 13:15.452 --> 13:17.294 [SPEAKER_00]: And then how they bring that all together at the end. 13:17.434 --> 13:18.295 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm thinking, 13:18.915 --> 13:34.070 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, it's unbelievable that the writing just synced up that well with all of the Easter eggs from the old movies, but then also making a cohesive plot and giving these characters moments each one at a moment to shine, each one distinct. 13:34.690 --> 13:49.423 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just left the theater going, I think that might have been my favorite time watching the movie, maybe ever, because there was no pressure of where it's going, and just I haven't watched it in a while and to revisit it with my wife and the theater again, as if it was just fresh. 13:49.883 --> 13:50.124 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 13:50.724 --> 13:53.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I just appreciated everything about it almost. 13:54.287 --> 13:57.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we talk about things we didn't like, but I appreciate everything you've had. 13:57.893 --> 14:00.274 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I had a really similar experience. 14:01.854 --> 14:06.296 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think we've talked so much about the things that work in that movie. 14:06.576 --> 14:20.861 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine there are any specific lines that I haven't already mentioned before, but all of the little jokes and the little sides worked for me, all the character beat moments worked for me. 14:27.939 --> 14:34.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Or I mean, I already jay in that, and that first scene, the video message to Pepper is 14:37.397 --> 14:46.479 [SPEAKER_01]: So like I again had the thought that like he should have gotten more recognition for this movie Right, he should have won a legitimate award. 14:46.919 --> 14:59.621 [SPEAKER_01]: I think but I think that aside the the other ones were were Scarlett and then Chris Evans like I I think He does these things and in in in this movie. 14:59.741 --> 15:03.322 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he started really to hit his drive at this character for me 15:04.591 --> 15:05.732 [SPEAKER_01]: not had a stride. 15:06.112 --> 15:21.805 [SPEAKER_01]: He was he was settled in fairly early, but I feel like civil war is the point where you start to see him bring a certain level of nuance to the character that it's something about the way he will. 15:21.825 --> 15:25.848 [SPEAKER_01]: He'll like take a beat. 15:27.287 --> 15:36.832 [SPEAKER_01]: or he'll like flash his eyes up at like the at the right moment or it's a little bit trying to describe what you feel. 15:36.992 --> 15:38.033 [SPEAKER_00]: It's reacting. 15:38.053 --> 15:38.913 [SPEAKER_00]: It's specifically. 15:38.953 --> 15:41.394 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's this little thing we're looking at. 15:41.535 --> 15:45.937 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing about that I've always said from the very first episode of this podcast we ever recorded. 15:46.717 --> 15:54.742 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing about Chris Evans as Captain America that I think is so impressive is he doesn't get to do very many funny 15:55.882 --> 15:56.262 [SPEAKER_01]: things. 15:56.282 --> 16:03.543 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't get to do a lot of like quippy like motormouth things like Tony Stark does. 16:04.523 --> 16:15.665 [SPEAKER_01]: And he also doesn't even necessarily have the same emotional ammunition to work with that Tony Stark does because like here in this movie Tony has pepper. 16:15.745 --> 16:16.646 [SPEAKER_01]: Tony has a daughter. 16:16.726 --> 16:23.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Tony has like these you know the whole everything leading up to the to the finale and the funeral like 16:25.772 --> 16:37.117 [SPEAKER_01]: these little moments like that the moment when he looks into the office and it happens to be Peggy's yeah and the way he sees her through the window and it's like 16:38.574 --> 16:42.157 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, there's no dialogue there at all. 16:42.197 --> 16:47.261 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's nothing for him to lean on other than just like the recognition. 16:48.001 --> 16:51.164 [SPEAKER_00]: And can you give a way of him healing with Tony Stark? 16:51.864 --> 16:56.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are just several, several moments like on all ends of the spectrum. 16:56.488 --> 17:04.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Like even just when Carol has first brought Tony back and they're having that conversation, not even the back and forth with him and Tony. 17:05.015 --> 17:06.796 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like after Tony's in the hospital bed 17:08.938 --> 17:18.764 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, Carol's talking about how she's going to go up and find Thanos and they have the conversation about how we do things as a team and there's like a moment when 17:20.981 --> 17:44.060 [SPEAKER_01]: wroteies like how is it going to be any differ and then she's like you know last time he didn't have me and Evans like he kind of like smiles and then raises his eyebrows and then looks up and it's this like I he's just do I don't know it's crazy I think he does a lot of really really good stuff in this movie that can be overlooked and I do think 17:50.853 --> 18:00.964 [SPEAKER_01]: And it makes me really excited to see him come back as that character specifically, because I just it's it's it's wild. 18:01.305 --> 18:01.886 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right. 18:02.486 --> 18:05.650 [SPEAKER_01]: What he what he eventually like turned that into. 18:06.186 --> 18:06.907 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right. 18:07.507 --> 18:17.414 [SPEAKER_00]: And what it could have been the very like stereotypical like from the comics, no emotion kind of bravado Captain America. 18:18.375 --> 18:21.217 [SPEAKER_00]: And he has such a sensitivity to it somehow. 18:21.637 --> 18:22.738 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very hard to describe. 18:23.018 --> 18:23.419 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree. 18:23.899 --> 18:30.024 [SPEAKER_00]: But him, it just him even talking with Tony and obviously the balance between the two of them, the whole time, the whole story. 18:31.006 --> 18:42.890 [SPEAKER_00]: but specifically here like little things like when Tony finally, you know, Tony's never gonna walk up to cap ever and say, you know what, Captain America or Steve, I'm sorry for giving me. 18:43.490 --> 18:50.792 [SPEAKER_00]: So his version of taking that little things like, you know, Tony we lost at the beginning, like it wasn't just you that, you know, failed. 18:50.852 --> 18:57.494 [SPEAKER_00]: And then turns out resentment is corrosive and I hate it and Steve just goes, me too. 18:58.335 --> 18:59.335 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I hate it too. 19:00.229 --> 19:08.861 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when Tony's doing his whole arrogant thing, at that scene, too, where he's like, let me guess you did this and he's like, oh man, if only someone could have done this and then he just goes, you did, didn't you? 19:09.482 --> 19:10.523 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for something, you know? 19:10.543 --> 19:12.726 [SPEAKER_00]: And then just like, and then do you trust me? 19:13.407 --> 19:15.109 [SPEAKER_00]: After all this and he goes, I do. 19:15.990 --> 19:37.655 [SPEAKER_00]: I do trust you and there's all these moments of healing between the two characters and a lot of that is from Evans kind of gentle grace in all of this and then he and then they give him the like America's asking and I think it's kind of funny yeah that's like he doesn't get many of those ever but I think he owns it when he does and the health of your moments a little bit funny well even the the like 19:39.204 --> 19:40.965 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got as a baby. 19:41.106 --> 19:44.848 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll grow, he'll grow as maybe the best line of the movie. 19:44.968 --> 19:46.209 [SPEAKER_01]: For the rest. 19:46.249 --> 19:47.951 [SPEAKER_00]: In the background, he's on camera. 19:48.071 --> 19:49.892 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll grow as unbelievable. 19:50.433 --> 19:53.695 [SPEAKER_01]: But the way that, uh, yeah, man, I think. 19:53.795 --> 19:55.136 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yes, Scarlet. 19:57.378 --> 19:58.639 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do want to highlight that. 19:58.659 --> 20:00.400 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we did this in our original episode. 20:01.301 --> 20:04.383 [SPEAKER_00]: For some reason, one of the scenes I most look forward to when I watch end game. 20:04.403 --> 20:06.585 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is going to be such a deep cut. 20:07.821 --> 20:09.382 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that peanut bar sandwich scene. 20:09.902 --> 20:10.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:10.162 --> 20:11.123 [SPEAKER_01]: So, no, Scarlet. 20:11.183 --> 20:11.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Scarlet. 20:11.423 --> 20:13.424 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of the best scenes in the movie. 20:13.864 --> 20:17.867 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone hangs up and she holds it together for the meeting, the breast conference. 20:18.887 --> 20:24.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone leaves and she immediately starts crying because she's by herself and she's finally like, this is her true self. 20:24.130 --> 20:27.572 [SPEAKER_00]: She held it together as the leader of the Avengers. 20:27.912 --> 20:32.735 [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like needing this, but realizing inside she's falling apart. 20:33.650 --> 20:37.974 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so perfect that Steve walks in right when that happens, but she doesn't notice him. 20:38.455 --> 20:42.559 [SPEAKER_00]: The second he says, you know, and then she hears a voice. 20:43.259 --> 20:45.962 [SPEAKER_00]: She kind of wipes her tears off and is like, okay. 20:46.443 --> 20:48.565 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they have this great friendly thing. 20:49.686 --> 20:52.148 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love, you talk about Steve taking a beat. 20:52.308 --> 20:55.972 [SPEAKER_00]: I love Oh Chris Evans, he has some like, 20:57.275 --> 21:07.637 [SPEAKER_00]: Cutting, I'm not cutting, but like, sarcastic responses that only friends could have, like a gentle ribbing, but he takes a second every time to do it, like you're saying. 21:07.657 --> 21:14.279 [SPEAKER_00]: So she'll say, like, you know, if you're gonna tell me blah, and like the, she pours out her whole, she's like, I didn't have a family. 21:14.739 --> 21:16.499 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I found this, and I was better for it. 21:16.520 --> 21:19.340 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's crying and he goes, I think you need, we both need to get a life. 21:19.820 --> 21:22.901 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, okay, I hear you, but now it's time to get a life. 21:22.961 --> 21:24.361 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she says you first. 21:27.863 --> 21:35.038 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just my favorite thing because also just real quick like storyline why I'm talking so much I just had so much on this 21:35.602 --> 21:36.482 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it was, yeah. 21:36.502 --> 21:42.223 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, storyline wise, a lot of these other people have something else. 21:42.644 --> 21:48.725 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, Antman is fighting for wanting to do all of this to get the people he loved back. 21:49.545 --> 21:55.686 [SPEAKER_00]: And Tony is kind of against all of it because he already, like, he survived with the people he loved. 21:55.826 --> 21:58.407 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, the people he truly loved made it outside of Peter. 21:59.863 --> 22:11.911 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that, but these two, they really don't like kept in America, even if he brings everybody back, he still doesn't have Peggy, like he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't gain anything other than it, he feels it's the right thing to do. 22:12.672 --> 22:17.155 [SPEAKER_00]: And Natasha kind of the same way, like Clint is our closest friend is actually still out there. 22:17.615 --> 22:18.796 [SPEAKER_00]: You could so go see him. 22:21.063 --> 22:27.206 [SPEAKER_00]: and so it's it just feels like very right that they're doing this because they don't have another ulterior motive. 22:27.566 --> 22:28.286 [SPEAKER_00]: You I'm saying by that. 22:28.647 --> 22:28.867 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:29.027 --> 22:29.247 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:30.167 --> 22:39.692 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I think the other thing that I I found myself appreciating that 22:41.962 --> 22:52.236 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've talked about before at least in the context of Steven Natasha, but I think I thought about this too with her and Clint, especially in that final scene. 22:54.586 --> 23:09.695 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that when that character is introduced in Iron Man 2, she is like such a sex symbol again with the idea being that that's a cover and yeah. 23:09.855 --> 23:13.217 [SPEAKER_01]: And then even in Avengers and Age of Ultron. 23:14.225 --> 23:31.917 [SPEAKER_01]: you have that explorative various degrees and age of Ultram we do have the romance with her and Bruce that like I think you and I are both generally a fan of but I do love the fact that she never becomes 23:33.512 --> 23:57.595 [SPEAKER_01]: designed as as like a love interest or in relation like I love that the relationship that she has with Stephen Clinton and that it's such a like intimate thing that is never romantic that they have like these really really like even when they're about to die and they go forehead to forehead yeah 23:58.938 --> 23:59.839 [SPEAKER_01]: It never gets weird. 24:00.119 --> 24:01.059 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, that's the thing. 24:01.140 --> 24:05.162 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think it's a really cool dynamic that they establish there. 24:06.203 --> 24:10.586 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, again, part of that is is what Scarlett brings to it. 24:10.686 --> 24:22.574 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was another thing where I'm like, man, who knows what secret wars is gonna look like and what is on the table there. 24:24.475 --> 24:26.817 [SPEAKER_00]: But, and on that note, by the way, 24:27.851 --> 24:29.972 [SPEAKER_00]: That's another one of my takeaways. 24:30.312 --> 24:39.354 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to push back on that original Twitter crazy fan commentary about how Natasha didn't get honored like Tony. 24:39.774 --> 24:42.594 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I did, I pushed back on that. 24:42.614 --> 24:46.555 [SPEAKER_00]: The original episode, our first episode, I pushed back on it when we came back for the full commentary. 24:46.575 --> 24:48.336 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've done like three end game episodes. 24:48.356 --> 24:49.256 [SPEAKER_00]: Now isn't it, we are for it. 24:50.353 --> 24:54.517 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, because I think we hit it on a rewatch too, you know, at the end. 24:55.097 --> 25:00.342 [SPEAKER_00]: We did begin the end game, then we came back to it in the watch order, and then we did a full comments, Ari, I think. 25:00.442 --> 25:00.742 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever. 25:01.463 --> 25:05.847 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, you know, I really do think they honor it really well. 25:05.947 --> 25:07.989 [SPEAKER_00]: My wife and I got really moved by that scene. 25:08.089 --> 25:14.694 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, first of all, it's drawn out of who's going to have to take the fall, and then she actually ends up doing it. 25:15.575 --> 25:25.423 [SPEAKER_00]: and I wonder even if time-wise it's almost the same amount of time if you just don't count that the funeral camera panning takes a minute because it's in slow motion. 25:26.519 --> 25:29.740 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're doing anything extra that they didn't do for her. 25:29.920 --> 25:37.523 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, so like Clint, again, the exact sequence is Clint is devastated hanging on the side of the mountain, the music swelling. 25:37.843 --> 25:41.164 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, look into the sky like, no, shows her head. 25:41.484 --> 25:43.544 [SPEAKER_00]: Then it cuts too white because he gets the stone. 25:43.945 --> 25:50.247 [SPEAKER_00]: He wakes up with the stone and is hand, and again, when he sees the stone, is reminded and is devastated, not excited about the stone. 25:50.627 --> 25:54.028 [SPEAKER_00]: They immediately cycle back, no jokes and the first thing they say is Clint. 25:54.548 --> 25:55.009 [SPEAKER_00]: where's that? 25:55.729 --> 25:58.553 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he just doesn't even, he can't even bring himself to say something. 25:58.653 --> 26:00.655 [SPEAKER_00]: And they have a couple great looks from people. 26:01.155 --> 26:08.524 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think it's Bruce and Steve get a look of like, oh, no, like realizing what this is. 26:09.465 --> 26:14.590 [SPEAKER_00]: And then a really, I think kind of moving sequence on the doc, whether all reflecting on this, 26:15.311 --> 26:25.361 [SPEAKER_00]: Clint, getting really mad, Bruce throwing the bench I think is really key, Steve has a tier coming down his face and the music's really beautiful. 26:25.761 --> 26:27.663 [SPEAKER_00]: And then at the funeral, they circle back. 26:27.683 --> 26:28.885 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think they both do. 26:28.905 --> 26:30.947 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish there was a way to tell her that we won. 26:31.647 --> 26:35.731 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've chills right now, and we both do, by the way, I got chills 17 times. 26:35.811 --> 26:38.052 [SPEAKER_00]: I started a counter, I started a counter. 26:38.173 --> 26:38.953 [SPEAKER_00]: I started a counter. 26:38.973 --> 26:41.395 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I might count this for the podcast sake. 26:41.675 --> 26:45.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to hijack that, but I mean, like, I feel like that's really honored as well. 26:45.218 --> 26:47.960 [SPEAKER_00]: So she's a huge win in the movie. 26:48.061 --> 26:59.190 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also think that there's a level of like of, like, if, if Clint had died, 27:00.515 --> 27:03.537 [SPEAKER_01]: or Bruce had died. 27:03.557 --> 27:11.641 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the funeral scene would have been any different. 27:12.621 --> 27:19.184 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, instead of Natasha, I think that there's this idea where it's like, oh, well, why was it the funeral for both her and Natasha? 27:19.204 --> 27:24.047 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's something to be said for, like, Tony was the face, 27:27.123 --> 27:40.400 [SPEAKER_01]: of the Avengers in a lot of ways he was and he was also the the one for the pageantry and the showy stuff and it just kind of makes sense beyond the meta commentary of this is the person that started the whole thing like I think that 27:41.959 --> 27:56.789 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense to me that you would have that for Tony and that what happens when the Tasha dies is a lot more personal among the team and then with Clint himself rather than some kind of dulled production. 27:56.909 --> 28:07.436 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, I don't, I think that that if they had done it that way, I think it would have felt, I don't think it would have been any more satisfying, I guess. 28:07.477 --> 28:09.498 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that there's something about Natasha's role 28:12.170 --> 28:27.523 [SPEAKER_01]: a bit more thinkless in a way and a much less of the like mascot that I think it makes more sense for her to be honored and the way that she is than to be honored with a massive funeral procession. 28:27.903 --> 28:29.324 [SPEAKER_00]: And she begs for it to happen. 28:29.985 --> 28:31.606 [SPEAKER_00]: She says let me do this, please. 28:31.626 --> 28:34.389 [SPEAKER_00]: I've waited for five years for to get to this moment. 28:34.769 --> 28:35.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:36.150 --> 28:37.891 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only other thing I 28:39.600 --> 28:41.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, two other things, I guess, quickly. 28:41.702 --> 28:57.594 [SPEAKER_01]: One, my biggest takeaway coming away from the, and I think this is also maybe the thing that makes me feel the most at-piece about Doomsday. 28:59.676 --> 29:03.659 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, Sylvestery in this movie specifically. 29:05.080 --> 29:07.362 [SPEAKER_01]: And Infinity War as well, but in this one, 29:10.420 --> 29:21.306 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been wanting to do a podcast episode for a while, not just for the MCU, but in general, where we talk about the scores that we think are most essential to the movies that they're a part of. 29:22.687 --> 29:30.511 [SPEAKER_01]: And not necessarily our favorite scores, but just the ones that like you really, the movie would transform for the worse without it. 29:30.991 --> 29:31.151 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 29:32.112 --> 29:34.093 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, 29:35.172 --> 29:45.960 [SPEAKER_01]: this is one of those movies where I'm not saying it wouldn't still be a good movie without it, but it's a really unique score compared to certainly most like superhero movies. 29:46.020 --> 29:50.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so sensitive and it's so present, constantly. 29:51.143 --> 29:51.603 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it is. 29:51.623 --> 29:51.864 [SPEAKER_01]: It is. 29:51.944 --> 29:52.444 [SPEAKER_01]: It is. 29:52.464 --> 29:54.085 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like maybe a hot take. 29:54.185 --> 29:56.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it works better in the movie. 29:57.227 --> 30:03.532 [SPEAKER_00]: Like going to the theater and watching how it's fitting in is almost better to me than just listening on our playlist. 30:04.092 --> 30:06.895 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, because it seems to you to such a mode and you're right. 30:06.955 --> 30:21.808 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's mixed in louder to I thought so like you notice it But it carries sequences like I'm thinking about the transition to the new headquarters and it's doing the Right, you know just the transition scenes. 30:22.329 --> 30:27.093 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all that like their their melodies kind of going at all times like it's not and 30:27.757 --> 30:53.843 [SPEAKER_01]: ambient thing like it's not like a like a zimmer of course it's like and it's so from the the to your point about the way that it works in the movie it's almost like man I would be at some point our our bucket list is to get Sylvester on here because the way that he actually composed it 30:55.214 --> 30:57.577 [SPEAKER_01]: or conducted it, I guess, depending on how you look at it. 30:57.737 --> 31:16.317 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like so triggered by like every beat, where it's just like a line comes in, and then it's like, the same thing we talked about in Infinity War, when Thanos and Kamora are having that conversation, and he's got like behind it, the kind of like, Donna. 31:17.320 --> 31:21.882 [SPEAKER_01]: where it, like gets in between lines and kind of lifts them up. 31:22.283 --> 31:25.044 [SPEAKER_00]: You're me, man, yeah. 31:25.384 --> 31:27.165 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, yeah, like in between, yeah, yeah. 31:27.285 --> 31:29.466 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all these little things we're almost. 31:29.846 --> 31:42.873 [SPEAKER_01]: He is like, I hate, this isn't an overused statement, but it really is like a character in the film, where I think it's, it is almost like, 31:44.090 --> 32:03.403 [SPEAKER_01]: his score is doing its own dialogue throughout the whole thing to where I think that if nothing else, him coming back and if he can bring that sensibility to doomsday, I think that is the 32:08.494 --> 32:11.975 [SPEAKER_01]: all of that tie together and all of it feel the way that it does for me. 32:12.415 --> 32:20.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, again, if there are a lot of other things that could have gone wrong and the movie would not be what it was, even if the score were exactly the same. 32:20.276 --> 32:22.637 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that it's all on Sylvestery. 32:23.117 --> 32:31.698 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that there's sort of this uncloneifiable thing there that if we had a different composer coming in, even a composer, like, like, 32:34.779 --> 32:39.123 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not sure that you can capture whatever that is. 32:39.704 --> 32:42.186 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, those melodies, I think, are very classic. 32:44.837 --> 32:53.501 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, like I think of modern scores like Goron Center Zimmer, I think of like the sound effects they do or like, can you come up with a really weird tone? 32:53.521 --> 32:54.442 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 32:54.462 --> 32:57.043 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think you'd ever say that about Infinity War and game. 32:57.343 --> 32:59.104 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's actually an orchestra. 32:59.124 --> 33:00.725 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not sense programmed in. 33:00.765 --> 33:02.906 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not, he's not going to Africa to find some instrument. 33:03.446 --> 33:03.586 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 33:03.606 --> 33:05.687 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's a classic orchestra. 33:07.078 --> 33:16.634 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost kind of the opposite I feel that we talked about last week with Spielberg and in disclosure day with John Williams where it's like 33:18.373 --> 33:28.315 [SPEAKER_00]: on its own, it's a kind of classic sounding score, but in context of the movie, it gives the movie such, I keep saying this word, but it gives it such a sensitivity, like an empathy, yeah. 33:28.636 --> 33:33.397 [SPEAKER_00]: Which, okay, so you're talking about Doomsday, I think my big takeaway in Sylvestery plays a huge role in this. 33:33.417 --> 33:34.077 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right. 33:34.357 --> 33:40.338 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I could extend everything you just said to basically the whole team. 33:40.898 --> 33:47.080 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was struck on this watch by in one of our Discord listeners said this, and I grew this. 33:47.840 --> 33:55.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, how human this story is like there's there's not a lot of fighting in this movie. 33:56.077 --> 34:03.463 [SPEAKER_00]: I know we think about the final sequence, but even the final quote and quote battle is maybe only like eight minutes long. 34:03.523 --> 34:10.448 [SPEAKER_00]: The other 20 minutes of the final battle is dialogue within the battle, like the character steps aside and has an interaction with the character. 34:10.868 --> 34:16.933 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's only maybe like five minutes of actual fighting shots you get at the end. 34:17.653 --> 34:21.376 [SPEAKER_00]: And you get the beginning, you know, like going through space to get there or whatever. 34:22.377 --> 34:22.517 [SPEAKER_00]: But 34:23.586 --> 34:38.297 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that the Rusos, the writers, Kevin Feige, and the actors, and Sylvestery all got on board to make a three hour movie where two and a half of the hours is basically 34:39.967 --> 34:44.148 [SPEAKER_00]: sensitive, again, there's that word, human individual stories. 34:44.528 --> 34:56.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we need to make sure we tie up this moment in a really gentle way for this person and they leaned into that and then it was rewarded by becoming the biggest movie of all time and critics loving it. 34:58.810 --> 35:03.471 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see why they would turn doomsday into like black Adam, right? 35:03.491 --> 35:06.852 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the point is, I think they're gonna try 35:10.310 --> 35:11.811 [SPEAKER_00]: in the way that that was cutting edge. 35:12.271 --> 35:14.352 [SPEAKER_00]: The same thing for whatever doomsday looks like. 35:14.532 --> 35:18.614 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like if anything you reminded me, we're in good hands with this team. 35:19.015 --> 35:21.056 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way this team doesn't know how to handle it. 35:21.616 --> 35:28.720 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, whenever I watch that movie, and again, it's not like they're infallible and like I think it's important to you. 35:28.800 --> 35:30.721 [SPEAKER_00]: If you can see you, they are infallible right now. 35:30.841 --> 35:31.621 [SPEAKER_00]: In the MCU. 35:32.242 --> 35:34.363 [SPEAKER_00]: First, yeah, well, and then that's what I'm gonna say. 35:34.743 --> 35:36.804 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the strange thing for me, 35:38.750 --> 35:58.279 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like I watch that, I watch Infinity War or civil war or winters soldier, or winters soldier, but I say Infinity War and endgame because we're talking about these teams, including 36:09.521 --> 36:34.600 [SPEAKER_01]: can work with the marketing that feely on other things and them not and I need to I think one thing I want to do before do him stay is like I've never watched the Graham and movie I know a lot of people were like man it's funny yeah I don't think it's bad but I I think it's just it's fascinating to me because they have consistently done the best stuff within the MCU and I do trust them so much 36:36.261 --> 36:52.027 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it's so weird, like I can't tell if it's just like that is where they need to be because in some ways like you can make the same argument for a lot of actors within the MCU like right like and the inverse for some directors almost. 36:53.367 --> 36:56.268 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some directors probably just never would do a good job with them see you. 36:56.868 --> 36:58.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, right out here. 36:58.549 --> 37:01.830 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are some directors like like near to Costa. 37:02.366 --> 37:15.455 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, a big name or yeah, I would say like I think the marvels is probably the Chloe's y'all brought in after we went in a ward like and those are the weakest movies in my opinion that I've seen from those creators. 37:15.515 --> 37:18.538 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's not necessarily yeah, that's true. 37:18.598 --> 37:30.546 [SPEAKER_01]: And even actors like what is Chris Hemsworth done outside of the MCU that feels like it's really established something same for Evans despite the fact that Evans is in a lot of things. 37:32.060 --> 37:40.922 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, it's not like, I guess, but yeah, I was saying it's not the sign-filled curse, like they're not not existing, like Furiosa, like Hemsworth did a really great job. 37:40.942 --> 37:41.182 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. 37:41.202 --> 37:43.742 [SPEAKER_00]: But like I think they're good actors, but I agree, it's weird. 37:43.902 --> 37:44.602 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with your point. 37:45.242 --> 37:49.883 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but I'm not saying they haven't done good jobs in those things for sure. 37:50.323 --> 37:59.305 [SPEAKER_00]: I like you secrets and you're like, yeah, knives out is great, but you see Chris Evans and you think he just he's Captain America, like it just works in this context. 37:59.845 --> 38:00.025 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 38:01.273 --> 38:15.082 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think so I maybe that's it and maybe that's it with the Russo's and maybe that's why I think getting this whole team back together is if nothing else a fascinating experiment where like I think I I am more and more thinking. 38:17.038 --> 38:24.303 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the other day I saw some set photos that came out for the the new Lord of the Rings movie I don't know if you follow any of that stuff. 38:24.844 --> 38:31.688 [SPEAKER_01]: No, the Andy circus is directing This the hunt for gollum movie, but they're like bringing him the calendar back. 38:31.708 --> 38:38.914 [SPEAKER_01]: They're bringing Elijah woodback and doing the de-aging thing and Oh boy, here's here's the thing. 38:38.954 --> 38:40.815 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm at a point with it now where 38:44.693 --> 38:48.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, also the Lord of the Rings is just always going to be the Lord of the Rings. 38:48.056 --> 38:55.925 [SPEAKER_01]: I've already kind of carved out like I've sort of gotten myself into a headspace where I don't even have to count the Hobbits as things that exist. 38:55.945 --> 38:58.708 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and there's shows now and you can just say hey, it's a separate thing. 38:58.788 --> 39:03.593 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, look, you have this one thing that stands on its own and I think watching in game. 39:04.547 --> 39:08.230 [SPEAKER_01]: every time, but especially this time, even with the credit stuff that we need to talk about. 39:08.250 --> 39:24.721 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just like, this is a, it's such a great capstone, like I think about everything that you get between Infinity War and Game, like every character interaction, the beats, where like, if this isn't fact, the last MCU movie that we ever got. 39:25.966 --> 39:28.467 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really, really perfect. 39:28.647 --> 39:40.453 [SPEAKER_01]: Like even the amount of Spider-Man stuff that we get and where we see that character go, I think was really great for what it looks like to have a teen Spider-Man in the MCU, like all across the board. 39:40.933 --> 39:48.697 [SPEAKER_01]: So my point being, I love that, I don't think Doomstay needs to be in game. 39:49.537 --> 39:50.358 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that 39:51.403 --> 39:56.346 [SPEAKER_01]: it needs to do something different and I'm curious to see what that is. 39:56.426 --> 40:01.049 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that I'm not, I'm actually not provisional because it's unbeatable. 40:01.069 --> 40:01.789 [SPEAKER_00]: It needs to be different. 40:02.850 --> 40:19.039 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not like, I don't feel what I felt going into Infinity War in game in 2018 and 2019 that sense of like of of unusiness or like nerves that like what if they don't land the plane? 40:20.810 --> 40:24.853 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm just, I'm happy that they have the team back together. 40:24.953 --> 40:27.915 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy that people seem to be excited about it that are working on it. 40:28.716 --> 40:38.783 [SPEAKER_01]: And I tend to think that the people that are involved, their instincts have so often been the exact right ones when it comes to MCU stuff. 40:38.843 --> 40:44.348 [SPEAKER_01]: You uniquely gifted that for me, maybe it doesn't, maybe it doesn't work in a lot of ways. 40:50.591 --> 40:58.897 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be something that feels like intentional, I guess. 40:59.097 --> 41:06.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it, I don't, it doesn't feel like a thing that will be phoned in whatever the outcome is. 41:06.802 --> 41:07.503 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, of course not. 41:07.603 --> 41:10.485 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, my final thing before the credit stuff. 41:11.330 --> 41:14.614 [SPEAKER_00]: I just got a quickly say, I thought it looked really great. 41:15.335 --> 41:15.735 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 41:15.795 --> 41:19.379 [SPEAKER_00]: I was seeing a lot of movie in, well, I've never seen a Marvel movie in Screen X. 41:19.519 --> 41:21.822 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not like a die-hard screen X or my wife liked it. 41:22.443 --> 41:24.505 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you talk about that for a second? 41:24.525 --> 41:25.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I've never seen anything in Screen X. 41:26.647 --> 41:29.109 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it isn't that the one where it goes like all the way. 41:29.409 --> 41:30.170 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right around. 41:30.190 --> 41:52.746 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they have to make additional content when I went into it I kind of thought it was going to be you take the center screen and use zoom in and so that the part of the center screen that would be cut off now spills into the edges That's not the case the center screen is the same as you would get any theater that ratio and they make extra content for the sides The whole movie's not in it that way 41:53.446 --> 41:56.908 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like certain scenes where all of a sudden the whole thing comes alive. 41:57.008 --> 42:01.050 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there are movies where they make the screen X content for the whole thing. 42:01.590 --> 42:03.611 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm so, it wasn't the whole thing. 42:03.651 --> 42:06.672 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be like, you know, like a space scene or something. 42:07.012 --> 42:12.555 [SPEAKER_00]: They start jumping through the jump points and then the side screens are also space with like light going, you know. 42:13.355 --> 42:14.015 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, what? 42:14.336 --> 42:14.596 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 42:15.516 --> 42:17.117 [SPEAKER_01]: What does it look like for like the final battle? 42:17.976 --> 42:31.745 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't remember every single shop, but I remember specifically, there are times where like, when Tony dies, spoiler, you see Tony down here and then a face, I think it's Rode steps into the screen to look at Tony dying. 42:32.485 --> 42:35.727 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, for example, like he's over here first. 42:36.208 --> 42:42.692 [SPEAKER_00]: If you look to the right, they have someone had to re-like animate him in to the side and then he wants your son to screen. 42:43.312 --> 43:11.738 [SPEAKER_01]: so it's not just a stretch of the thing like you see extra content of somebody like walking huh to walk up so like the final battle like the wreckage spills onto the sidescreens yeah i mean i could that be could that be just like there's there's stuff that like i'm thinking about that in terms of the Odyssey but i guess it wasn't filmed for that like i don't know when the screen next stuff even came out but i i guess if it wasn't filmed that way originally then 43:13.204 --> 43:14.725 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't rediscovered. 43:14.845 --> 43:16.386 [SPEAKER_00]: I am not a screen expert. 43:16.426 --> 43:17.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I've only gone twice in my life. 43:17.827 --> 43:21.409 [SPEAKER_00]: I need someone to fact check on how they do it or when in the process do they do it? 43:21.889 --> 43:23.810 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this an all digitally added thing? 43:24.370 --> 43:28.572 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought maybe there were a couple times that if you like, you're watching the middle, right? 43:28.592 --> 43:36.216 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you just turned and like looked at the side, there's a couple times or maybe like some of the people looked a little weird, like they were building on it. 43:36.256 --> 43:40.539 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's in your peripheral, but like if you were just watching it, it's not perfect. 43:41.630 --> 43:57.417 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know, but it but it was immersive and more importantly like it sounded really great in stuff like that, but the coloring and just not only the coloring, but with the coloring, especially I guess it still looks really great. 43:57.817 --> 43:59.958 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of shots in the movie. 44:01.450 --> 44:02.250 [SPEAKER_00]: that look amazing. 44:02.270 --> 44:05.331 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a few that don't age as well, obviously. 44:05.671 --> 44:15.534 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think about like, I always think Clint jumping off the cliff looks weird, like he's not going to make it, and then it cuts to it, uh, and he makes the jump, but it looks like he's not going to be able to jump far enough. 44:16.054 --> 44:24.996 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, when when Thor says, but I have a ride and it cuts to the guardian ship that looks CGI to me, there's a there's a sequence where they couldn't get Natalie 44:31.258 --> 44:44.927 [SPEAKER_00]: So there are a few times obviously, but with the coloring like the shot of like Captain America's eyes seeing space for the first time and going through space with Nat and Clinton being like this is far from Budapest. 44:44.947 --> 44:46.028 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks so cool. 44:46.308 --> 44:47.389 [SPEAKER_00]: The jump points look cool. 44:47.649 --> 44:52.632 [SPEAKER_00]: Flying down, Captain Marvel flying down to the planet, Captain Marvel flying through the ship. 44:53.172 --> 44:55.474 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some really cool shots in this movie too. 44:55.494 --> 44:55.514 [SPEAKER_00]: I 44:55.814 --> 45:11.849 [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that the the coloring stuff helped a lot in the final battle just because I do think the gray tone and just the general gray back drop of that whole thing can make it all feel like muddy so I think that that helped a lot. 45:13.105 --> 45:15.207 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of happen doomsday that's the case. 45:15.367 --> 45:28.578 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that not every key scene looks like that one scene in the trailer not because that one doesn't look cool But I hope that it's not again with the the Russo's did there, which is like yeah, it's an all gray kind of dark background and they're in front of it Like this is a weird thing. 45:28.618 --> 45:39.307 [SPEAKER_00]: I was putting the other the vision quest screen recap video because vision quest is coming up in a couple weeks and There's a shot at the very end of the last Ultron bot and vision in the forest 45:40.091 --> 45:40.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:40.731 --> 45:44.673 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, this is actually really refreshing that this is happening during the day. 45:45.134 --> 45:46.975 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like a beautiful day outside. 45:47.515 --> 45:49.676 [SPEAKER_00]: There's like sun in the background in mountains. 45:49.776 --> 45:51.117 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're in like a woods. 45:51.417 --> 45:52.738 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, per your point. 45:52.758 --> 45:55.819 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is kind of almost refreshing that there's color. 45:56.359 --> 45:58.040 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can tell where they are. 45:58.280 --> 46:01.922 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, that is the gradness of like the trailer from Doomsday. 46:01.962 --> 46:02.923 [SPEAKER_00]: That part makes me nervous. 46:02.943 --> 46:04.604 [SPEAKER_00]: Where it's like, I want to know where we are. 46:04.644 --> 46:04.784 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, 46:05.738 --> 46:12.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm team go find a place in Russia, or Ukraine, and film them. 46:12.084 --> 46:12.885 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 46:12.945 --> 46:16.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, or would I think that's one of the things about the Weedon by the way. 46:16.889 --> 46:18.090 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't say that because they're at war. 46:18.230 --> 46:20.472 [SPEAKER_00]: I say that because it's Eastern European for the record. 46:20.672 --> 46:25.697 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously there's real world things, but I'm saying like Eastern European for, you know, for a lot of air. 46:25.717 --> 46:25.977 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:26.458 --> 46:26.878 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 46:27.299 --> 46:28.219 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think. 46:29.437 --> 46:42.443 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, and not my understanding is we didn't actually hand it over a lot of the big action pieces of his Avengers films to the Marvel team. 46:43.003 --> 46:58.250 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure how much input he had, but I will say, those both of those movies, in addition to just being generally brighter, like, I mean, the famous Badlem New York scene is obviously in the daylight. 46:59.230 --> 47:20.127 [SPEAKER_01]: the secovia scene is in the daylight, the openings scene is in the daylight, like most of, but also like the all the different settings that you see in Age of Ultron, whether you're talking about like the Hulkbuster battle or the fight with claw that immediately precedes that, like it's all they're all really unique. 47:20.147 --> 47:21.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Just take the locations. 47:21.688 --> 47:23.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can push back. 47:23.770 --> 47:38.700 [SPEAKER_00]: I can push back a tiny bit because like infinity war you get a New York set piece in the day light You know, which is still one of my favorite set pieces in the whole MCU and then like I think Titan is kind of unique and cool looking yeah I think and that's kind of in the day. 47:38.840 --> 47:41.102 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a sunset time that they're doing yeah 47:41.442 --> 47:54.105 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the final end game battle is kind of the other one, which is also kind of unique by the way, because when they're snapping the first time, like when the window opens, it's sunny and there's both, and then immediately it kind of turns to like evening. 47:54.205 --> 47:57.186 [SPEAKER_00]: Now part of it, I think, is it's so much smoke from like that. 47:57.226 --> 47:57.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:57.846 --> 47:58.386 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 47:58.526 --> 47:59.106 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm with you. 47:59.566 --> 48:02.527 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I could take that in a more distinct location. 48:03.087 --> 48:08.388 [SPEAKER_01]: And one thought that I actually think is a is a positive, you know, 48:11.649 --> 48:22.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Doomsday that it's the cinematographer from days of future past Okay, and I totally takes place during the day a lot. 48:22.496 --> 48:23.177 [SPEAKER_00]: If I remember. 48:23.257 --> 48:40.508 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, and even aside from that and and the color which again I think will help in a lot of ways I do think that that is not Because in game Does not really have a ton of action like we were talking about. 48:40.928 --> 48:41.068 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep 48:41.936 --> 48:43.258 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the strength of the film. 48:43.278 --> 48:44.019 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what you're saying? 48:44.479 --> 48:48.444 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, well, actually, I think it looks pretty good in the non-action stuff. 48:48.605 --> 48:52.910 [SPEAKER_00]: The action stuff is not like, you don't watch that movie because the action is so well choreographed. 48:53.471 --> 48:54.512 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 48:54.672 --> 48:58.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Or even just the way, yeah, because some of it will sometimes feel a tad. 48:59.628 --> 49:08.230 [SPEAKER_01]: disjoined it and I think it's not even just it's the action scenes, but it's also the way that that elements of those kind of green screen. 49:08.730 --> 49:23.774 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep sets are filmed like that one thing that's always been a little odd to me is the like after the Tony snap when it shows Thanos sit down and then it cuts to cap looking at him. 49:23.854 --> 49:26.775 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what you're supposed to gather is like cap is watching this happen. 49:28.387 --> 49:33.273 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's because of when they filmed it or maybe how they had to do all of it. 49:34.074 --> 49:43.446 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of think like there's no sense of geography in that, like back and forth, like you know I can't wait. 49:44.927 --> 49:48.109 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, where is he in, like, is he seeing him across the battlefield? 49:48.129 --> 49:51.432 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I actually, that's a really great take by you. 49:51.472 --> 49:52.232 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with all that. 49:52.352 --> 49:52.632 [SPEAKER_01]: I do. 49:53.453 --> 49:57.316 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the shots that I think that I was just praising are not really the fighting shots a lot. 49:57.416 --> 49:57.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 49:57.936 --> 49:58.937 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the other stuff. 49:59.357 --> 50:09.244 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, like, once you get into those, yeah, like the scenes where there isn't, like where they clearly work against the green screen, so there isn't really like a firm reference point. 50:09.844 --> 50:12.326 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't necessarily have some of the establishing shots. 50:12.847 --> 50:13.067 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 50:13.587 --> 50:22.204 [SPEAKER_01]: That and I think that's one thing that I would also to your point in doing say like to see like I think I wish with that battle that 50:23.344 --> 50:25.426 [SPEAKER_01]: there was a, it was a, again, I get it. 50:25.466 --> 50:28.969 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like catastrophic, what he does to the Avengers headquarters. 50:29.610 --> 50:33.513 [SPEAKER_01]: But afterwards, it's essentially unrecognizable as a location. 50:33.533 --> 50:34.474 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just rubble. 50:35.335 --> 50:41.700 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I wish that there was a little bit of like their fighting in the old, you know, living room or something. 50:41.720 --> 50:42.221 [SPEAKER_01]: For sure, you know. 50:42.341 --> 50:46.905 [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I would push back on there is like, I think that's why they show the water giving in from Dr. 50:46.925 --> 50:48.186 [SPEAKER_00]: Strange to give you reference. 50:48.206 --> 50:50.008 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, that was the lake that was there. 50:50.828 --> 50:54.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yes, it does kind of like visually. 50:54.510 --> 50:59.192 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like them sitting on the dock reflecting on that Tag racing because it looks like to me. 50:59.232 --> 51:05.415 [SPEAKER_00]: They went to a dock in like Tony's house Is an actual house in Atlanta like in the woods in Georgia, and I love it. 51:05.475 --> 51:13.098 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels so tangible like oh Yeah, he's down in the basement then he walks up in the like and pepper sitting in the living room couch You know what I'm saying sounds dumb. 51:13.118 --> 51:13.418 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like. 51:13.498 --> 51:14.759 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know where we are. 51:14.799 --> 51:15.299 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you. 51:15.379 --> 51:17.400 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going with you a hundred percent Yeah, yeah, I 51:17.740 --> 51:20.202 [SPEAKER_00]: The two positives for Doomsday are that one. 51:20.322 --> 51:22.043 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's a different cinematographer. 51:22.183 --> 51:25.345 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good thing to see if like just a different approach. 51:25.885 --> 51:31.909 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the fact that they recolored it tells me that they're at least aware. 51:32.729 --> 51:35.731 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if the Rousseau's were like, no, it's perfect as we did it. 51:35.871 --> 51:37.472 [SPEAKER_00]: They would never allow a recoloring. 51:38.233 --> 51:39.834 [SPEAKER_00]: There'd be like, oh, why would we recolor it? 51:40.174 --> 51:41.675 [SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly how we envisioned it. 51:42.573 --> 51:50.676 [SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that they're like, no, let's go ahead and, you know, amp up the colors a little bit, tells me they were probably like, yeah, we maybe under did that a little bit. 51:51.277 --> 51:52.297 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so yeah, and it was later. 51:52.737 --> 51:53.557 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it was thing. 51:54.418 --> 52:06.843 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was partially like you look at how they entered the MCU and both Winter Soldier and Civil War are really Winter Soldier more so than Civil War, but they're both kind of doing this. 52:08.279 --> 52:20.222 [SPEAKER_01]: Not your normal superhero movie, kind of more of an espionage thing, so you can see why they would make it intentionally muted to show that that's the vibe. 52:21.518 --> 52:25.041 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, again, I don't think anyone noticed this app. 52:25.101 --> 52:29.504 [SPEAKER_01]: I think people started to notice the color more in the last couple of years than they did at the time. 52:30.124 --> 52:35.388 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that now, like I, yeah, I respect the fact that they saw that. 52:35.828 --> 52:41.072 [SPEAKER_01]: The only other thing I was going to say before we get to see the new stuff, which are really interesting. 52:41.112 --> 52:42.733 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 52:43.493 --> 52:44.754 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I, this is quick. 52:44.814 --> 52:45.535 [SPEAKER_01]: All I have to say is, 52:47.310 --> 53:05.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I somehow, I would never have thought that this would be the case, but I wound up next to a couple who looked like they were maybe like UT students, uh, maybe, yeah, like 19, 20, 22, I don't know. 53:06.358 --> 53:14.842 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm pretty sure that they had never seen the movie before, that they were like 53:17.123 --> 53:25.846 [SPEAKER_01]: And I started, I was piecing it together a little bit, but I think maybe they had just like, watched through a bunch of stuff. 53:26.766 --> 53:34.389 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was like their finish line to go see the re-release, the reason I could be wrong. 53:34.929 --> 53:42.572 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, they were so invested and like reacted like the first few years, like gasping 53:47.019 --> 53:53.142 [SPEAKER_01]: like, like hands over their mouth when Tony dies, like stuff where it's like, and that's a incredible role. 53:53.502 --> 53:53.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:53.822 --> 53:55.763 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so fun to be next to you. 53:55.783 --> 53:58.584 [SPEAKER_00]: A reminder of what that was like for every year. 53:59.024 --> 53:59.504 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:59.544 --> 53:59.665 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:59.705 --> 54:00.825 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was really nice. 54:00.885 --> 54:04.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was one of the things that made the night for me, just because it's like, 54:05.747 --> 54:07.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then I thought about it. 54:07.427 --> 54:26.573 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, you know, if you just kind of missed the moment, then, you know, if you're seven years ago, like, if you're in like junior high or whatever, and it just wasn't your thing and nobody took you to see it, I could imagine just being like, okay, I guess, well, we should watch all these now. 54:26.633 --> 54:33.855 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, right, yeah, especially, yeah, especially if it was like not age appropriate, you know, like, if this all started when you were like seven, 54:34.637 --> 54:34.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:34.817 --> 54:36.898 [SPEAKER_00]: You probably, there's a chance you never jumped on board. 54:37.498 --> 54:40.500 [SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe like my friend Asher, you know, Josh's son. 54:40.560 --> 54:41.961 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like now he's going through it. 54:41.981 --> 54:43.201 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like he doesn't know what's going to happen. 54:43.641 --> 54:43.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:45.142 --> 54:45.362 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:45.602 --> 54:45.802 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:45.862 --> 54:49.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is, it was, that was like a really, it was a nice reminder. 54:49.704 --> 54:52.426 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is my segue to the credit stuff. 54:52.626 --> 54:56.468 [SPEAKER_01]: I think again, it is a good reminder that there are people. 54:57.469 --> 55:17.512 [SPEAKER_01]: like I saw some of the review not even the review it's just some of the commentary partially from the discord from different like online accounts that are like oh my gosh did this movie not age well or whatever and I don't know I had a great experience with it you had a great experience with it but also like 55:18.405 --> 55:33.515 [SPEAKER_01]: these people that they weren't rewatching it even like they were just watching it so I don't know I don't know how that what that means in terms of aging well they're not aging well but it like I could not I can't imagine that they're that amazing well and everyone loved it. 55:33.675 --> 55:37.278 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw one article that someone talked about that like I saw a dumb article that 55:37.898 --> 55:42.462 [SPEAKER_00]: They were like, uh, fan-dango or something posted, critics agree and audiences agree. 55:42.603 --> 55:46.126 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, endgame's a smash hit and people were like, wait a second, we knew that seven years ago. 55:46.346 --> 55:48.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it has a new rod and tomato score of 94 percent. 55:49.369 --> 55:50.170 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't know that. 55:50.210 --> 55:51.591 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's just like just funny to me. 55:51.631 --> 55:52.512 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the same movie. 55:52.532 --> 56:02.422 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's, but yeah, no, I, I, I thought, um, like, I thought it was a, um, yeah, yeah, for sure. 56:03.720 --> 56:04.900 [SPEAKER_00]: And it affects your experience. 56:04.980 --> 56:06.021 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the other part, you know? 56:06.181 --> 56:13.183 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's the opposite and no one's laughing, you leave the theater film like, wow, people just, I guess didn't like it. 56:13.623 --> 56:17.544 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why we always talk about, you can tell when there's a vibe in the theater, you know? 56:18.504 --> 56:20.625 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this movie just felt good and vibe. 56:21.545 --> 56:22.265 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 56:22.566 --> 56:25.786 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it was like, I think that it's sort of completed it. 56:26.427 --> 56:26.907 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 56:26.927 --> 56:28.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Completed the experience for me. 56:28.567 --> 56:30.868 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we'll be right back with the bonus stuff here. 56:45.888 --> 56:53.717 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so actually I feel like we got more than I thought we were going to get when I heard that it was only three minutes. 56:54.018 --> 56:57.982 [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking, what could they possibly do in three minutes? 56:58.363 --> 56:58.583 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 56:58.843 --> 57:03.569 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, this was more so for my experience because I've, there's been some different, 57:05.591 --> 57:08.815 [SPEAKER_00]: Approaches to this, I guess, or some people like didn't get certain scenes, I don't know, whatever. 57:09.576 --> 57:14.081 [SPEAKER_00]: My theater, I had an infinity vision theater, had four separate sequences. 57:14.462 --> 57:24.093 [SPEAKER_00]: So one, it picks up with Captain American Peggy dancing, and instead of cutting to black, right when they kiss, there's a knock at the door, and it's low key. 57:25.014 --> 57:31.377 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I watched this one time three days ago, so remind me, but Loki says, or Peggy says, can I help you? 57:32.157 --> 57:40.040 [SPEAKER_00]: And Captain America's hiding, or on the corner, like, I don't know this is, and now keep in mind, this version of Captain America would probably only really know Loki as a bad dude, right? 57:40.360 --> 57:40.881 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 57:41.261 --> 57:42.721 [SPEAKER_00]: Or like some kind of a bad guy. 57:44.680 --> 57:47.082 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Loki says, no, but I can help you. 57:47.102 --> 57:48.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cuts a credits. 57:49.203 --> 57:58.249 [SPEAKER_00]: In the middle of the credits, you get a second scene, which is kind of wild, and could have maybe been the post-credits sequence for brand new day is what I saw. 57:58.729 --> 57:59.730 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's Bruce Banner. 57:59.750 --> 58:00.750 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:00.770 --> 58:02.331 [SPEAKER_00]: So, spoilers for brand new day. 58:02.611 --> 58:03.392 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Bruce Banner. 58:03.812 --> 58:12.318 [SPEAKER_00]: He's talking to a camera himself, and he's in a bunker, and he says he's in Washington, D.C., locked in a bunker because he had an incident his first one in a long time. 58:15.258 --> 58:18.760 [SPEAKER_00]: And then his computer kind of goes funky and he's like, well, no one can get down here. 58:19.161 --> 58:20.562 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't get out, Hulk can't get out. 58:20.942 --> 58:24.725 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you hear Dr. Dooms voice, which this was really interesting. 58:25.125 --> 58:27.647 [SPEAKER_00]: He says specifically, you correct me if I'm wrong. 58:27.667 --> 58:30.989 [SPEAKER_00]: He says, Bruce Banner, I'm here to collect you. 58:31.369 --> 58:32.209 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's right. 58:32.449 --> 58:38.131 [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about that in a second and then you see the green, whatever that is, fire in a pattern kind of thing. 58:38.531 --> 58:41.292 [SPEAKER_00]: And you hear Hulk, like savage Hulk, come out again. 58:41.552 --> 58:44.373 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't hear Bruce when this happens. 58:44.393 --> 58:45.013 [SPEAKER_00]: So here I go. 58:45.973 --> 58:47.154 [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, they're gone. 58:47.894 --> 58:49.094 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I thought, okay, that's all it is. 58:49.394 --> 58:51.495 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you get my favorite sequence. 58:52.135 --> 58:56.916 [SPEAKER_00]: We cut to the TVA and Mobius, by boy, Mobius is back. 58:57.377 --> 59:09.420 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm so happy they got my own Wilson to film this or I don't know if they had filmed it or whatever, but it's the full-blown TVA looking at the tree of Yedrasill or whatever it's called, of the Multiverse timelines. 59:10.080 --> 59:11.881 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so good to see you and Wilson. 59:11.901 --> 59:12.161 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 59:12.181 --> 59:12.742 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 59:13.122 --> 59:17.185 [SPEAKER_00]: Also shout out to the same TVA worker that's from Deadpool and Wolverines. 59:17.205 --> 59:18.285 [SPEAKER_00]: I just saw that. 59:18.385 --> 59:18.906 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw that. 59:18.946 --> 59:19.866 [SPEAKER_00]: That guy there too. 59:19.926 --> 59:20.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 59:20.807 --> 59:24.009 [SPEAKER_00]: The guy who's like attracted to Deadpool. 59:25.170 --> 59:25.450 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 59:25.630 --> 59:26.010 [SPEAKER_00]: Or no, no. 59:26.030 --> 59:27.251 [SPEAKER_00]: Hugh Jackment to Wolverine. 59:29.407 --> 59:36.171 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's there, and then we get the most straightforward incursion talk. 59:36.491 --> 59:41.174 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, the TVA's really stunned that there's an actual earth running into another earth. 59:41.534 --> 59:42.975 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, wait a second, the incursion. 59:43.375 --> 59:47.838 [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, it starts happening everywhere, not one, but 305 or 3000. 59:48.178 --> 59:52.320 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the great multiversal war kind of starting and they're panicking, sound the alarm or whatever. 59:52.961 --> 59:56.383 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the final final teaser is kind of, I've chills right now. 59:57.083 --> 01:00:02.387 [SPEAKER_00]: is, you know, at the end of Avengers Endgame, there's a sound of Tony's hammer from the first Ironman. 01:00:02.967 --> 01:00:04.608 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here, did you get this part too? 01:00:05.068 --> 01:00:08.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Here, they keep the sound effect going, long or ding. 01:00:09.071 --> 01:00:13.194 [SPEAKER_00]: Dang, dang, and just like the first Ironman, I have chills, wow. 01:00:13.694 --> 01:00:22.180 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like the first Ironman, he holds up the mask, but it's a do mask, and it quick flashes his face for a millisecond, and then moves forward. 01:00:23.297 --> 01:00:24.037 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay. 01:00:24.577 --> 01:00:25.798 [SPEAKER_00]: So shop by shop real quick. 01:00:26.258 --> 01:00:26.898 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot. 01:00:27.578 --> 01:00:28.899 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one with Loki. 01:00:30.219 --> 01:00:30.559 [SPEAKER_00]: Thoughts. 01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:45.543 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think The way you just described Captain America hiding or Steve hiding, I hadn't really thought through, but That was like tactical. 01:00:46.269 --> 01:00:46.909 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no. 01:00:47.070 --> 01:00:50.312 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's an interesting point because, yeah, I guess he is. 01:00:50.332 --> 01:01:12.328 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's because is that because it's Loki or is it because Steve is, I mean, even setting aside the, like the time travel stuff that would come into play, you know, if Steve goes all the way through like 20, 01:01:14.214 --> 01:01:15.095 [SPEAKER_01]: 18 or whatever. 01:01:15.115 --> 01:01:21.979 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess in that universe or just in at that point in the timeline, he's supposed to be dead. 01:01:22.499 --> 01:01:23.400 [SPEAKER_01]: People think he's dead. 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:32.386 [SPEAKER_01]: So is that just he's hiding because everyone knows what Captain America looks like in the 40s and 50s and he could be that. 01:01:32.666 --> 01:01:38.770 [SPEAKER_00]: I also thought maybe it was just a tactical move by a soldier like trained, okay, there's danger. 01:01:38.790 --> 01:01:40.411 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like right 01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:45.401 [SPEAKER_00]: They're technically is to captain America's in that timeline. 01:01:45.421 --> 01:01:47.262 [SPEAKER_00]: At that exact second, just one is frozen. 01:01:47.882 --> 01:01:49.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:01:49.963 --> 01:01:53.665 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and then also Loki's in a jumpsuit, a TVA kind of jumpsuit. 01:01:53.985 --> 01:01:57.147 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the like with the horns and stuff, and the in the robe. 01:01:58.267 --> 01:02:02.709 [SPEAKER_00]: So, where does that happen in the quote unquote timeline? 01:02:02.729 --> 01:02:05.351 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, the TVA's outside of time. 01:02:05.411 --> 01:02:07.692 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you don't have to think of it as before or after. 01:02:08.625 --> 01:02:19.608 [SPEAKER_00]: But when he shows up like that, it's like, okay, on this earth, on this timeline, is that a Loki that's coming to him from like Loki season two, early season two era? 01:02:20.188 --> 01:02:29.670 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, before he's holding all the timelines, or is he able to, you know, set the timelines down and come over here, or has he been attacked by Dr. Doom already? 01:02:31.991 --> 01:02:33.831 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and like what's the, 01:02:36.201 --> 01:02:44.530 [SPEAKER_01]: where does that scene take place in relation to the TVA scene that you was talked about with Owen Wilson? 01:02:46.352 --> 01:02:48.434 [SPEAKER_01]: Where like is this happening? 01:02:50.116 --> 01:02:53.499 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the incursions are happening or is this happening? 01:02:54.567 --> 01:03:01.569 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is it, what is it that Loki is trying to, because the line is like, I can help you, right? 01:03:02.229 --> 01:03:03.950 [SPEAKER_00]: She says, excuse me, can I help you? 01:03:03.970 --> 01:03:05.830 [SPEAKER_00]: And he says, no, but I can help you. 01:03:06.651 --> 01:03:09.051 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, what is the help? 01:03:09.532 --> 01:03:14.633 [SPEAKER_00]: Wilkes also, because we know, you know, Dr. Doom is coming to collect Steve. 01:03:15.593 --> 01:03:17.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he collects Bruce. 01:03:17.234 --> 01:03:18.314 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:03:18.454 --> 01:03:20.355 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and we also know that between, 01:03:24.529 --> 01:03:26.691 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, not visible here, obviously. 01:03:27.091 --> 01:03:33.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we don't know if it's, we don't know when that scene in endgame is supposed to take place, like, even in the original. 01:03:33.758 --> 01:03:36.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we don't know how long Steve is. 01:03:36.540 --> 01:03:41.165 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the idea is it's supposed to have been for soon after he gets there because of Steve's, I think, right? 01:03:41.385 --> 01:03:42.546 [SPEAKER_00]: When there's no, but on the cars. 01:03:43.046 --> 01:03:46.610 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, like, how long he's been back with Peggy? 01:03:47.557 --> 01:03:54.100 [SPEAKER_01]: like my sense is that it's supposed to be pretty soon after because they're both tearing up and it's the dance that they are supposed to have. 01:03:54.620 --> 01:03:58.242 [SPEAKER_00]: So I always have kind of assumed pretty soon after first Avenger crash. 01:03:59.622 --> 01:04:11.027 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean pretty like I mean that like my read has always been that scene and end game is right after Steve returns to that 01:04:15.231 --> 01:04:24.280 [SPEAKER_01]: scene Peggy, they like, how whatever that initial meeting looks like and then now they're dancing because that's the moment that they've been trying to get back to. 01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:31.327 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think that that's supposed to be like, you know, a year, they've been living together a year now and he's been 01:04:31.907 --> 01:04:58.629 [SPEAKER_01]: because that is just your lead technically it could be that it's like a that's like a date night that activity they do but there's a point where like like they're they're dancing and and Peggy is clearly like crying and I think that that would be a stranger response if they're in average night plus who's watching the child you know right right so I think yes but I think it makes more sense for that to be like 01:04:59.450 --> 01:05:05.455 [SPEAKER_01]: he's just finished his tour back through the like returning the stones and now he's there. 01:05:06.195 --> 01:05:12.640 [SPEAKER_01]: So what happens between Loki getting there and him having a kid and then him showing up in Doomsday? 01:05:13.361 --> 01:05:13.581 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:05:14.282 --> 01:05:17.284 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the third scene with the the TVA that you're talking about. 01:05:19.090 --> 01:05:24.874 [SPEAKER_00]: That's even confusing timeline-wise because didn't Mobius kind of retire at the end of season two of Loki. 01:05:25.595 --> 01:05:28.877 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when he's done with his work, he retires. 01:05:29.498 --> 01:05:29.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:05:30.558 --> 01:05:38.764 [SPEAKER_00]: But before that, excuse me, we don't see the timelines ever look like the tree. 01:05:39.024 --> 01:05:44.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, the tree only start showing up once Loki fixes the machine by holding the timelines. 01:05:44.709 --> 01:05:45.129 [SPEAKER_00]: Correct? 01:05:45.869 --> 01:05:46.530 [SPEAKER_00]: I think so. 01:05:48.105 --> 01:05:54.470 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is not happening during that 100 years that Loki's reliving the same scene, right? 01:05:54.490 --> 01:05:54.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:05:55.991 --> 01:06:00.615 [SPEAKER_00]: This is happening after he's already sitting on the throne holding the timelines. 01:06:00.935 --> 01:06:07.981 [SPEAKER_00]: And now they're letting the multiverse exist and they're just pruning kanks, right? 01:06:08.001 --> 01:06:09.002 [SPEAKER_00]: But then Mobius Retires. 01:06:09.022 --> 01:06:13.785 [SPEAKER_00]: So is there like a quick, you know, is there a little window in there before he retires? 01:06:14.006 --> 01:06:15.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Or he's going to do a malicious back. 01:06:17.528 --> 01:06:19.109 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the amount of retirement or whatever. 01:06:19.790 --> 01:06:33.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think, and not even for any particular reason, I just think that the end of, I think the end of Loki was supposed to be ambiguous as to, as to Mobius. 01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:34.840 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was this moment of like, 01:06:35.602 --> 01:06:50.446 [SPEAKER_01]: he gets to experience it and let time pass, but then I think that it's totally believable that he would ultimately come back to the TBA and want to continue working in that way. 01:06:50.466 --> 01:07:02.550 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was my read, is that he's come, I mean, especially with beef of team being in charge, I think that would make sense. 01:07:04.284 --> 01:07:05.965 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what else I found really interesting. 01:07:06.625 --> 01:07:07.445 [SPEAKER_00]: Really interesting. 01:07:08.206 --> 01:07:12.967 [SPEAKER_00]: The second scene with Bruce, you know, obviously it picks up directly after brand new day. 01:07:13.487 --> 01:07:13.728 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:07:15.208 --> 01:07:19.970 [SPEAKER_00]: The way that Oh, this is crazy. 01:07:20.070 --> 01:07:24.792 [SPEAKER_00]: The way that they use the word I'm here to collect you. 01:07:27.531 --> 01:07:52.071 [SPEAKER_00]: makes it feel like they're leaning into the OG secret wars for sure for sure like that they're like it feels like that's intentionally used that word and maybe what they'll say I'm probably overeating this but maybe what they'll say when we when we look back is like that was just the way he talks you know it's different then I'm here to you know you got to come with me or whatever but when he says Bruce Banner so he knows who he is I am here to collect you 01:07:52.892 --> 01:07:56.293 [SPEAKER_00]: That feels like the what is it the 60s secret war is like battle world. 01:07:56.434 --> 01:07:57.694 [SPEAKER_00]: That feels like bad 80s 80s. 01:07:57.714 --> 01:07:57.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:07:58.134 --> 01:08:15.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think No, I mean even but then the TV TV A the next scene feels very 2000s Incursions yeah, multi-musical war Well, and then here's then it's both that's I it's totally different. 01:08:16.302 --> 01:08:20.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I but I think I think I It has felt 01:08:21.827 --> 01:08:31.951 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the brand new day credit scene from the movie also made me feel like they are traveling to somewhere, you know, where like, right, that's right. 01:08:32.351 --> 01:08:35.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Doom is also collecting Spider-Man. 01:08:37.473 --> 01:08:45.096 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also this piece where, like, I said this years ago now, maybe two years ago, 01:08:50.998 --> 01:09:13.408 [SPEAKER_01]: and or Steve coming back where like that there's the Avengers forever piece from the 90s where it's much more king oriented there but the ideas that you you wind up with 01:09:14.733 --> 01:09:32.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Like someone pulls out these certain versions of the Avengers from various points in their timelines and it symbols what they view to be the kind of perfect team to take on this particular threat and it's not the most powerful version of each of the characters. 01:09:32.178 --> 01:09:34.459 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like where they were at certain points in their time. 01:09:35.619 --> 01:09:40.561 [SPEAKER_01]: And I still keep thinking just because we were at one point 01:09:44.933 --> 01:09:48.814 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was obviously in the works on some level. 01:09:48.974 --> 01:09:54.435 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't know if they just 100% scrapped every idea they ever had for building the stuff. 01:09:54.835 --> 01:09:58.416 [SPEAKER_01]: No, if there are things that they wanted to hold on to. 01:09:58.476 --> 01:10:12.520 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's also like when I hear collect like, there's is it something where you have like a team being put together in that way or is it like six secret wars where it's like, you have a good guy's in a bad guys and is. 01:10:13.687 --> 01:10:42.462 [SPEAKER_01]: is like the savage Hulk being pulled in as like an adversary against the Avengers and Steve is being pulled in by Loki as like a player for the Avengers and like where are the fantastic four coming in in terms of like whatever like I think that the doomed collecting piece is so interesting to me and I I don't know what to make of it in that I can't 01:10:45.241 --> 01:11:01.431 [SPEAKER_01]: if we will get any follow up on like that banner scene and doomsday at all or if that's if that's all just pointing like further to secret wars or maybe to the very end or like maybe where it leaves things at the end of doomsday. 01:11:02.506 --> 01:11:02.927 [SPEAKER_01]: I like it. 01:11:03.267 --> 01:11:11.118 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a massive twist that we don't know yet and so all this stuff is not making sense. 01:11:11.619 --> 01:11:16.126 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the parallel to me is I feel like everything we've heard and read would be like 01:11:17.583 --> 01:11:37.808 [SPEAKER_00]: what happened in the first 20 minutes of endgame where we thought that was kind of what the whole movie was going to be about and it's almost like everything we saw was just from that and then the whole movie was actually really not about that like for two hours and forty minutes was not about the very beginning other than the ramifications of it I feel like there's a missing ingredient and that's why I think they're 01:11:38.748 --> 01:11:52.838 [SPEAKER_00]: slow playing the marketing so much, not because the movie is actually like an AI slothest, but because like the scene we're seeing in the trailer is like the first scene and then they can't actually show anything else beyond that or something like that. 01:11:53.158 --> 01:11:55.660 [SPEAKER_00]: Like doom is actually not a bad guy. 01:11:55.980 --> 01:11:59.443 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when when when Reed says, tell me Victor, did you do this? 01:12:00.043 --> 01:12:04.787 [SPEAKER_00]: And he says like, no, I'm here to prevent it or something. 01:12:04.947 --> 01:12:05.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right. 01:12:05.427 --> 01:12:05.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's 01:12:09.612 --> 01:12:11.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a total twist coming. 01:12:12.655 --> 01:12:20.542 [SPEAKER_01]: I, it is, uh, I, I love, I love that we don't know what to expect there. 01:12:20.702 --> 01:12:26.247 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and I, and I love the collection of scenes we got because I'm, I was really keeping my expectations low. 01:12:27.102 --> 01:12:35.809 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, I was so delighted by the banner thing because there was a part of me that thought, Ruffalo came back for brand new day, had a game. 01:12:35.829 --> 01:12:37.550 [SPEAKER_00]: And there were rumors that he's not involved at all. 01:12:37.730 --> 01:12:40.692 [SPEAKER_00]: And we still haven't confirmed it, but this sure seems like he's involved. 01:12:40.712 --> 01:12:40.953 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:12:41.273 --> 01:12:43.394 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got to be in one or the other at this point. 01:12:43.855 --> 01:12:50.980 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the, you know, like, and I also wonder would any of this change if the next movie wasn't called Secret Wars? 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:52.922 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what if it was called Avengers Five? 01:12:53.982 --> 01:13:19.573 [SPEAKER_00]: then like with the theories be wild and changed because I think you know because I think we always think we're building toward one of these events from the comics like that's what it's all headed toward but it might not be exactly the same yeah you know yeah and and so no man I think that's right I think like they are it seems to me that they're intentionally playing with elements of both of those stories and it could be that it's 01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:31.167 [SPEAKER_01]: it's the one of them's a misdirection or both of them are, again, like we've talked about, there are some things they're going to have to change and they will for sure change. 01:13:31.327 --> 01:13:45.119 [SPEAKER_01]: There are elements that seem to be present, even just based on the trailers and the synopsies that are not really, like the, they're not elements that map on to comics events or runs. 01:13:47.821 --> 01:13:48.201 [SPEAKER_01]: I am, 01:13:49.458 --> 01:14:16.667 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm also curious like the before the fourth one, the TV A thing like, yeah, does that provide an easy link if they, if they do, you know, like you just watch Deadpool Wolverine, they, I am, I've had this debate, where I've heard people, I can remember if you and I've talked about this, say that like maybe Deadpool Wolverine is not something that's going to be, 01:14:18.185 --> 01:14:24.616 [SPEAKER_01]: That crucial in the end because it's really just like multi-versal shenanigans and like cameos and easter eggs and stuff. 01:14:25.819 --> 01:14:27.560 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think that that's going to be the case. 01:14:27.860 --> 01:14:31.101 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that movie, I think too many people saw that movie. 01:14:31.821 --> 01:14:51.667 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a moment in a way that not that many posts in game, Marvel movies have been the handful that like a lot of most people saw and it did a lot of world building in terms of establishing the void and establishing the TVA for people that hadn't seen Loki. 01:14:53.043 --> 01:15:19.163 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that could also be the way, like if they are in fact going to show the TVA in that way and bring Owen Wilson back and OB, like is that gonna be a way to also link into Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds since they seem to be kind of doing the playing coy about whether they're in the movie. 01:15:21.767 --> 01:15:22.667 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:15:22.707 --> 01:15:31.512 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, you said the TVA scene, the other thing that was really notable to me was they talk about missiles, which we've heard about in terms of what would happen. 01:15:31.772 --> 01:15:37.274 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's an actual graph of, and then Owen Wilson goes, are they launching missiles at each other? 01:15:37.834 --> 01:15:38.035 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:15:38.235 --> 01:15:39.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, the two earths. 01:15:39.475 --> 01:15:46.859 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the first time we've seen what we talked about, which is, they're deciding we're going to take out the other earth first, like trying to destroy the other before it. 01:15:49.395 --> 01:15:51.515 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we've never had any hint of that. 01:15:51.775 --> 01:15:57.137 [SPEAKER_00]: We know like multiverse of madness where it's like, hey, this world kind of collided with one and stuff is messed up. 01:15:57.157 --> 01:15:58.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Like things are floating now. 01:15:58.297 --> 01:16:00.337 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like, and even then they... Yeah. 01:16:00.737 --> 01:16:07.679 [SPEAKER_01]: They established it as something where it's like, it was an accident, you know, like somebody, they saw them fly and it created. 01:16:07.839 --> 01:16:10.419 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone was aware of what's happening. 01:16:10.599 --> 01:16:15.020 [SPEAKER_01]: And that they are like, yeah, yeah, it's like the, the incursion, 01:16:16.705 --> 01:16:22.949 [SPEAKER_01]: You got the sense from multiverse of madness that it was a thing where him being in the wrong universe. 01:16:23.389 --> 01:16:43.780 [SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like a spontaneous like created this rupture, whereas here it does feel much more like you see it in the Hickman comics, where it's like that no, there is a physical planet Earth from another universe that you see like heading towards this planet Earth, and they will collide and then they will both be destroyed. 01:16:45.182 --> 01:16:53.307 [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing like, I mean, it is metaphysical, I guess, but it's also very physical. 01:16:53.907 --> 01:16:59.570 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that this is the most concrete version of that that we had in that TVA scene. 01:17:02.151 --> 01:17:05.053 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the fourth one, I thought about you. 01:17:05.897 --> 01:17:17.025 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought about your bullet prediction, because I just, I get that you could include that fourth teaser as just a little homage to the work that Robert Denny Jr. has done, like look how cool this is. 01:17:17.085 --> 01:17:17.305 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:17:17.805 --> 01:17:19.266 [SPEAKER_00]: He did this in the first Iron Man movie. 01:17:19.486 --> 01:17:25.510 [SPEAKER_00]: You just watched Endgame, but there's more to come, but I just, I don't think you do that. 01:17:26.531 --> 01:17:26.871 [SPEAKER_00]: That's funny. 01:17:26.891 --> 01:17:29.033 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not hinting at some kind of 01:17:30.885 --> 01:17:32.607 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's some Tony start connection. 01:17:32.627 --> 01:17:35.990 [SPEAKER_00]: They said there isn't, but then why do you put it as the final thing? 01:17:37.291 --> 01:17:41.034 [SPEAKER_01]: And have they, have they definitively said there isn't or have they just stayed? 01:17:42.295 --> 01:17:47.860 [SPEAKER_00]: I never tell you ask me those things just because of how much as rumors that I see, you know, I'm scrolling through, I don't know if it's a rumor. 01:17:51.107 --> 01:17:54.849 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I just, I'm gonna say this now because, okay, this is a spoiler. 01:17:55.369 --> 01:17:58.530 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a rumor, but it could be a spoiler if you believe this rumor. 01:17:58.991 --> 01:18:03.593 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think I said this a few weeks ago, and then I was like, I'm not gonna say it, but you can text me offline. 01:18:03.933 --> 01:18:04.513 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm gonna say it. 01:18:04.533 --> 01:18:12.557 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just theorizing, but there's a rumor that Reguardian has a line in doomsday where he goes, what are you talking about? 01:18:12.577 --> 01:18:13.437 [SPEAKER_00]: That's Tony Stark. 01:18:14.473 --> 01:18:24.380 [SPEAKER_00]: like calls it out and that was the thing I didn't want to bring up before so there's my spoiler is just thing but if that's the case I mean it seems like that's what is the case because they're hinting out here. 01:18:25.769 --> 01:18:28.250 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it just, it makes so much sense, right? 01:18:28.290 --> 01:18:40.354 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if, like, even that, even the way it's done there, like, in, in the way that they played with this, and, like, the, and from this Iron Man comic, but it's the most perfect fit ever. 01:18:40.554 --> 01:18:44.175 [SPEAKER_00]: Also with endgame, he's so afraid to lose Morgan and Pepper. 01:18:44.496 --> 01:18:46.916 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I really, I really, I never thought that before. 01:18:47.097 --> 01:18:47.797 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly. 01:18:48.717 --> 01:18:53.961 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, guys, I can't lose what I lost at all costs, or is I what I gained at all costs? 01:18:54.442 --> 01:18:55.022 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing it. 01:18:55.923 --> 01:19:01.848 [SPEAKER_00]: I never really picked up that he doesn't want to do it, not because impossible, but because he could lose. 01:19:02.548 --> 01:19:06.051 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and ultimately, like, yeah, it's interesting, 01:19:18.157 --> 01:19:40.985 [SPEAKER_01]: If they had never done the time-hiced, Tony was the one that actually had kind of found this paradise where he had everything, and more than he had ever had really in terms of like relationships, and that's right, stability, and everybody else was kind of wrecked and missing things, and then in the end, pretty much everybody else winds up in a great spot. 01:19:41.997 --> 01:19:52.165 [SPEAKER_01]: including Steve and Tony is the one who has a wife of you at his hem loss losing it or Morgan losing it or pepper. 01:19:52.285 --> 01:19:57.489 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, yeah, it is a, it's not just that he's willing to sacrifice himself. 01:19:57.549 --> 01:19:58.530 [SPEAKER_00]: It's heartbreaking for them. 01:19:59.150 --> 01:20:07.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like everybody, like by doing that, like everybody else because of them doing this like unnatural thing. 01:20:09.163 --> 01:20:16.809 [SPEAKER_01]: uh, they all get the stolen lives that, that he sort of has stolen from him. 01:20:17.129 --> 01:20:24.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, not that I think that Dr. Doom is Tony Stark from this universe. 01:20:24.455 --> 01:20:35.263 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Dr. Doom, I think is clearly from the fantastic four universe, but I don't know, I think that it, it, it just makes too much sense. 01:20:36.328 --> 01:20:41.452 [SPEAKER_01]: Like for them to say that in-game is required viewing, which I've seen the Rousseau say several times. 01:20:42.833 --> 01:20:53.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and then to have that scene, the fact that like the first Iron Man ever, the thing that he chooses to do is make himself a suit of armor. 01:20:54.737 --> 01:20:58.279 [SPEAKER_00]: that like looks and the mask is almost identical. 01:20:58.319 --> 01:20:59.240 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one's identical. 01:20:59.260 --> 01:20:59.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:00.020 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:21:00.401 --> 01:21:01.201 [SPEAKER_00]: The very first one. 01:21:01.441 --> 01:21:02.622 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I've commented on too. 01:21:02.642 --> 01:21:05.224 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's almost the exact same from Iron Man one. 01:21:05.264 --> 01:21:08.045 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I see how it's, you know, a little bit different structure. 01:21:08.506 --> 01:21:13.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's clearly like the way that his brain works is like I'm going to build myself suits of armor. 01:21:13.749 --> 01:21:16.731 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it makes sense that that's what his alternate version. 01:21:17.151 --> 01:21:17.311 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:21:17.591 --> 01:21:20.493 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you, you make two columns, you say, OK, on column, 01:21:22.400 --> 01:21:25.642 [SPEAKER_00]: This version of doom has nothing to do with Tony Stark. 01:21:26.102 --> 01:21:28.923 [SPEAKER_00]: What are like the pros or like what's the argument for that? 01:21:29.003 --> 01:21:39.629 [SPEAKER_00]: You would say one is that I feel like I've heard some rumors like I said or something that the writers or Kevin or someone said like this is not a Tony Stark variant. 01:21:39.909 --> 01:21:41.330 [SPEAKER_00]: Like someone has like come out and said that. 01:21:42.230 --> 01:21:43.171 [SPEAKER_00]: That's one side of it. 01:21:44.071 --> 01:21:46.192 [SPEAKER_00]: The other side of it is okay. 01:21:46.552 --> 01:21:49.474 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows some magic and sorcery that Tony didn't. 01:21:50.825 --> 01:21:51.866 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's about it. 01:21:52.306 --> 01:22:00.174 [SPEAKER_00]: On the other side of it, you go, go, call him B, you go, okay, this is a human who is building his own mask and suit. 01:22:00.834 --> 01:22:05.218 [SPEAKER_00]: He has a wife and a daughter that he tragically loses. 01:22:06.069 --> 01:22:16.198 [SPEAKER_00]: which sets him on a horrific path where it's very believable that Tony could keep going, like suit of armor around the world, keep going, keep going, until it becomes like Dr. 01:22:16.238 --> 01:22:29.350 [SPEAKER_00]: Strange and Wadith, where it's like, he eventually finds magic to try to fix something or sorcery to maybe bring them back, I think about like into the spider-verse with Kingpin, like I gotta do something to get my family back. 01:22:29.870 --> 01:22:32.152 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure to keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. 01:22:32.392 --> 01:22:34.353 [SPEAKER_00]: that makes so much more sense to me. 01:22:34.393 --> 01:22:39.356 [SPEAKER_00]: And then also Colin B, why else was Robert Downey Jr. cast? 01:22:39.576 --> 01:22:45.579 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, because that makes sense that you trace this path for this character where it splits off in some way. 01:22:46.059 --> 01:22:54.764 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's possible that both things are true, that it's not quote unquote a Tony Stark variant, like he's not an Iron Man suit, but also that 01:22:55.364 --> 01:23:02.648 [SPEAKER_00]: there's a reason it's Robert portraying what it could look like had it gone like this other way branched really early kind of thing. 01:23:03.169 --> 01:23:06.291 [SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like it's almost overwhelming now that it's called. 01:23:06.311 --> 01:23:06.571 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:23:07.371 --> 01:23:10.713 [SPEAKER_01]: I and I just think it's so much more it's way cooler. 01:23:11.314 --> 01:23:20.159 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's more satisfying like we've talked about before the character beats that opens up with having Evans and Hemsworth there. 01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:20.880 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 01:23:21.980 --> 01:23:22.801 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a random 01:23:25.641 --> 01:23:25.881 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:23:26.362 --> 01:23:45.342 [SPEAKER_01]: And why is it rubber die junior, you know, other than just we wanted a good actor in the movie and just the tension there of like again, what we've talked about we're like the fantastic for can talk about this guy and explain Victor story and there would be no reason for them to know that that 01:23:46.862 --> 01:23:53.607 [SPEAKER_01]: is the same, like a version of the guy or it looks like the guy that was Iron Man in this universe that they're watching. 01:23:53.627 --> 01:23:55.649 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's more ship in this world, or whatever. 01:23:55.769 --> 01:24:04.156 [SPEAKER_01]: And unless you suddenly see something, like, you know, they see like a mural or photo or whatever, like there are just so many interesting things. 01:24:05.597 --> 01:24:12.542 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, just the fact that like the whole infinity saga was so grounded in that character, 01:24:13.770 --> 01:24:17.051 [SPEAKER_01]: and in with the sacrifice of that character. 01:24:17.892 --> 01:24:38.521 [SPEAKER_01]: And so then to end with the Doom thing, I just think it would all make for such a symmetrical, like if they are in fact trying to kind of close out an era and then open up a new thing with the X-Men and spider-man movies and kind of move forward into a whole different kind of thing. 01:24:39.521 --> 01:24:41.522 [SPEAKER_01]: This feels like a really compelling way 01:24:42.790 --> 01:24:50.960 [SPEAKER_01]: to do that, that feels like it honors what came before, closes off the multiverse stuff, explores like the full realm of possibilities there. 01:24:51.942 --> 01:25:01.634 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I think that, I think that you're right, it is, and I could be wrong, I've been wrong before with stuff like this more often than not, I guess. 01:25:02.773 --> 01:25:12.975 [SPEAKER_01]: But it would be so strange to me, the way that they talked about this grand idea that already J had for coming back in and for Evans to come back in. 01:25:13.555 --> 01:25:17.215 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if everybody can see it was, I just want to play a different character. 01:25:17.315 --> 01:25:18.036 [SPEAKER_00]: Would that be cool? 01:25:18.376 --> 01:25:18.936 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got it. 01:25:19.836 --> 01:25:21.296 [SPEAKER_01]: We just cast him as a new character. 01:25:21.496 --> 01:25:23.717 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, and everyone's just like, oh my god. 01:25:23.797 --> 01:25:26.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm coming back, because they cast us, yeah. 01:25:26.157 --> 01:25:27.457 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know you could do that. 01:25:27.677 --> 01:25:31.778 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a, that would be, like if that's what they were gonna do, 01:25:33.736 --> 01:25:56.702 [SPEAKER_01]: they should not have marketed it that way also like they shouldn't have they should have been like we miss having rubber down a junior we asked him what other characters he would be interested in playing he said doctor do like i'm not that now because like yeah that would hurt my heart if it's that would just be such a like so i don't know i i think that they're i think that there's a lot of 01:25:58.508 --> 01:26:00.850 [SPEAKER_01]: potential for that. 01:26:01.390 --> 01:26:12.898 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, I, it does feel like if this is, if that's not their intention, this now feels like they've crossed the line where they're, they're actively baiting us. 01:26:15.040 --> 01:26:19.323 [SPEAKER_00]: Last thing I'll say, I've also reached the point after reading that Hickman comic. 01:26:20.443 --> 01:26:27.465 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm realizing that Victor Vandume is a character that's not always the worst guy or a bad guy that exists. 01:26:27.525 --> 01:26:33.167 [SPEAKER_00]: Like in the original Fantastic Four, it's very clearly, this is a guy gone, like he's a bad guy. 01:26:33.768 --> 01:26:34.328 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 01:26:34.388 --> 01:26:39.930 [SPEAKER_00]: But like the fact that in this Fantastic Four first steps, there's a seat at the government table for him. 01:26:41.310 --> 01:26:44.591 [SPEAKER_00]: That points to me like, you don't have a seat for Thanos. 01:26:45.292 --> 01:26:48.953 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, you have a seat for a guy who has a role to play on that earth. 01:26:49.660 --> 01:26:51.901 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but I'm getting to a point. 01:26:52.021 --> 01:27:08.007 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm coming around to the idea that there's a chance that there are doom variants and that by the end of Seeker Wars, Robert Downey Jr. his doom dies, but there's like another young different actor that's going to be around. 01:27:08.607 --> 01:27:11.368 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not ruling that out as a total thing. 01:27:12.469 --> 01:27:17.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, or like even if I don't know, yeah, I don't 01:27:19.292 --> 01:27:35.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's one of those things where if when when we talk about, oh, but it's not your doom, like we have to have Dr. Doom, I'm still torn because do we, like if we have two movies that are largely centered on Dr. Doom, is that enough Dr. Doom? 01:27:36.121 --> 01:27:43.425 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm kind of like, do we think that we need more, like, do we wish that Thanos was just hanging around in the background of the, uh, 01:27:44.273 --> 01:28:05.391 [SPEAKER_01]: of the MCU like it to me I know because I don't think that there's anything else you can do with that character that wouldn't just be diminishing returns and I don't I think the difference between movies and comics is comics yeah you the characters have to stick around you can't lose Dr. Doom forever but in a movie 01:28:06.745 --> 01:28:26.588 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I like, you need some sense of like, I think Dr. Doom is too big of a of a of a personality to just be like hanging out in the background, but maybe not, like maybe there are other things that are governing that area or whatever, you know? 01:28:27.160 --> 01:28:36.128 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, or maybe it's like a thing where he, yeah, it's a growing thing where it's barely introduced, you know, in the end of Secret Wars and we realize like there's room for another doom. 01:28:36.368 --> 01:28:45.557 [SPEAKER_01]: But I, I think even then you lose the, like, part of what makes it work is the relationship between him and Reed and the history that they have. 01:28:46.097 --> 01:28:50.982 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like that they're leaning into that here regardless of the variant stuff. 01:28:52.211 --> 01:28:53.652 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I, slightly unrelated. 01:28:53.793 --> 01:28:59.017 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought about that a little bit during the final, like on this watch of Avengers and game in that final battle. 01:28:59.798 --> 01:29:06.404 [SPEAKER_00]: If business was not a factor, like if you and I were just crafting a story that we knew there was never going to be another one. 01:29:06.564 --> 01:29:09.266 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to worry about anything beyond this ever again. 01:29:10.367 --> 01:29:14.111 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you should have up the death count in that final battle. 01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:24.207 [SPEAKER_00]: to really show that like Thanos' armies legit, cause you get this massive running out each other of thousands of people colliding. 01:29:24.747 --> 01:29:30.031 [SPEAKER_00]: And then every single superhero makes it out alive, except for the one with the gauntlet. 01:29:30.672 --> 01:29:30.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:29:31.252 --> 01:29:35.596 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, you know, if there was, but I get it, cause you can't kill characters if you're gonna tell more stories with them. 01:29:35.636 --> 01:29:39.980 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it was real life or like, Lord of the Rings, I feel like you would lose a couple people. 01:29:40.300 --> 01:29:40.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:29:40.580 --> 01:29:42.021 [SPEAKER_00]: You like Sam Wilson goes down. 01:29:42.061 --> 01:29:43.463 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, 01:29:44.232 --> 01:29:45.332 [SPEAKER_00]: Spider-Man goes down or something. 01:29:45.352 --> 01:29:45.912 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? 01:29:45.932 --> 01:29:55.675 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, our bucky goes down and then it's, and then at the end, it's like, wow, this was a sacrifice, but we lost half our army in this, whatever. 01:29:55.835 --> 01:30:03.837 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, that's kind of how I feel a little bit with Doom where it's like, there's off-screen calculations that have to be made. 01:30:03.937 --> 01:30:11.239 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I guess I'll say that as well, with how this goes with Robert Downey's age, with what the character is in the comics, can he just be in the background? 01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:12.920 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of other things that go into it. 01:30:13.060 --> 01:30:13.440 [SPEAKER_00]: It's my point. 01:30:14.002 --> 01:30:26.948 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I what I've been wondering more as I guess my closing thought for now is yeah good episode. 01:30:27.989 --> 01:30:30.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, every time we talk about it, it goes forever. 01:30:32.511 --> 01:30:37.673 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder if the right way to to look at this. 01:30:42.548 --> 01:30:51.072 [SPEAKER_01]: to some degree that they're not clear analogs because you've got X-Men stuff that's obviously hugely significant in DOOM's day or a piece to be. 01:30:51.232 --> 01:31:03.058 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm kind of wondering if the fantastic for are going to play the role that the Guardians did or the Guardians universe did in 01:31:06.410 --> 01:31:09.694 [SPEAKER_01]: infinity war and that like that's where Thanos comes from. 01:31:10.255 --> 01:31:12.698 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where you get all of the exposition about Thanos. 01:31:13.419 --> 01:31:16.343 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the infinity war itself is very guardians heavy. 01:31:17.404 --> 01:31:19.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of the kind of two stuff. 01:31:19.587 --> 01:31:19.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:31:19.907 --> 01:31:20.187 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:31:20.228 --> 01:31:22.350 [SPEAKER_01]: Like and then the Titan battle. 01:31:22.651 --> 01:31:24.733 [SPEAKER_01]: Like so I think that 01:31:25.664 --> 01:31:33.406 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that's what Doomsday winds up being, where they really do lean on the connections to that universe. 01:31:34.227 --> 01:31:48.011 [SPEAKER_01]: And then secret wars is similar to endgame and that the focus then shifts back to, or what we view as the, yeah, like the kind of 616 elements. 01:31:48.791 --> 01:31:50.092 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think that's all right. 01:31:50.252 --> 01:31:51.072 [SPEAKER_00]: Or it sounds good to me. 01:31:51.773 --> 01:32:13.952 [SPEAKER_01]: Which, again, and that's the sort of thing where it doesn't feel like you're running it back, that to me, just, it feels like you're, they're, they're definitely doing something different regardless, but I, I like the, I think the biggest, when, if they are doing the Robert Downey Junior, like Tony Stark, you know, alternate Tony Stark as Dr. Doom thing. 01:32:15.212 --> 01:32:29.979 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the easiest thing would have been to do that at the expense of making him tied to the fantastic four, like choosing that instead of the the FF connection. 01:32:30.039 --> 01:32:33.160 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what would have been a real mistake. 01:32:33.901 --> 01:32:38.943 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that they might have figured out a way to do both of those things. 01:32:40.885 --> 01:32:57.252 [SPEAKER_01]: and to do that because that's something you can only do in this multiverse era and if that's the case then I think that that is actually I get why they would be excited about that idea and about I mean because again you couldn't do that. 01:32:57.432 --> 01:33:04.475 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's the one time where the multiverse saga has maybe if we're eating more solutions than problems. 01:33:04.615 --> 01:33:04.855 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:33:09.003 --> 01:33:09.764 [SPEAKER_00]: What a great episode. 01:33:09.804 --> 01:33:11.605 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, anytime we talk in game, it goes forever. 01:33:12.746 --> 01:33:18.149 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, listen, New York Comic Con friends from work listeners, please come say hi to us. 01:33:18.710 --> 01:33:22.593 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're gonna be out in about Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday at New York Comic Con. 01:33:23.033 --> 01:33:25.194 [SPEAKER_00]: So where are your friends from work merch? 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