WEBVTT 00:08.742 --> 00:15.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone and welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with Quark Dax and a good friend's Tom and Harry. 00:16.490 --> 00:21.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space 9. 00:21.555 --> 00:27.401 [SPEAKER_02]: Your host for today are my fellow trek actors Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeill. 00:28.142 --> 00:39.466 [SPEAKER_02]: And Miss Alf, Garrett Wong, for the complete and exciting version of this podcast, please check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron today. 00:39.546 --> 00:41.126 [SPEAKER_02]: You truly will not regret it. 00:41.446 --> 00:41.786 [SPEAKER_02]: You won't. 00:41.806 --> 00:42.807 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you might regret it. 00:42.867 --> 00:43.967 [SPEAKER_00]: When would you regret it? 00:43.987 --> 00:46.368 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, you might regret it. 00:46.388 --> 00:48.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're going to have so much fun. 00:49.669 --> 00:51.929 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, you'll regret. 00:51.949 --> 00:53.350 [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't find up sooner. 00:53.770 --> 00:55.011 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. 00:55.131 --> 01:02.177 [SPEAKER_02]: Or I was going to say if you join at the five dollar amount you're going to regret that you can't buy one extra Starbucks drink that month is what it is. 01:02.437 --> 01:03.218 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you know it. 01:03.258 --> 01:05.099 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you spending on Starbucks. 01:05.220 --> 01:05.940 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. 01:05.960 --> 01:06.881 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 01:07.221 --> 01:11.905 [SPEAKER_01]: When you can make your own coffee and sit and listen to our podcast. 01:13.406 --> 01:19.592 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you, honestly, if you, you can buy Starbucks coffee, pound of it, save a lot of money. 01:19.612 --> 01:21.815 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, versus going in. 01:21.835 --> 01:24.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Or, or have a cure. 01:25.358 --> 01:26.019 [SPEAKER_02]: A cure. 01:27.840 --> 01:32.905 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really a pain to try to take those things apart to put in recycling. 01:34.085 --> 01:36.007 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's kind of worth it when you're. 01:36.147 --> 01:36.748 [SPEAKER_00]: It is worth it. 01:36.768 --> 01:37.969 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a coffee in your room. 01:38.469 --> 01:46.017 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're recycling with your curigs in your, yeah, I have a Nespresso and they send a bag when I order their coffee. 01:46.037 --> 01:50.822 [SPEAKER_01]: They send a bag and you put your Nespresso pods in there and I'm shipping it off today. 01:50.842 --> 01:53.945 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they send that bags. 01:54.445 --> 01:55.706 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like a recycling car. 01:56.527 --> 01:58.088 [SPEAKER_00]: It comes with the coffee pods. 01:58.188 --> 01:58.688 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great. 01:59.048 --> 02:01.770 [SPEAKER_00]: So you put coffee pods in the bag and mail it back to them. 02:02.211 --> 02:02.651 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. 02:02.711 --> 02:09.336 [SPEAKER_00]: Although then do you have to like calculate the carbon footprint for that to go back and forth in the plastic bag. 02:09.396 --> 02:10.777 [SPEAKER_01]: This is very stressful. 02:10.957 --> 02:16.901 [SPEAKER_01]: But here's the thing about the carbon footprint is if you listen to our podcast, 02:17.902 --> 02:26.092 [SPEAKER_01]: you don't leave any carbon footprint, you just subscribe to the Delta Flyers and you save the planet. 02:26.492 --> 02:27.153 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. 02:27.233 --> 02:28.414 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not out driving. 02:28.454 --> 02:31.558 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not listening towards the release of the planet. 02:31.578 --> 02:32.719 [SPEAKER_00]: Not just the planet, right? 02:32.739 --> 02:33.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Because we travel through. 02:34.201 --> 02:35.322 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the Uniform 02:36.243 --> 02:37.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 02:37.404 --> 02:38.786 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for those who are not commuting. 02:38.806 --> 02:40.447 [SPEAKER_02]: There are commuters who are listening to us. 02:40.487 --> 02:41.688 [SPEAKER_02]: So there is carbon footprint. 02:41.748 --> 02:42.469 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. 02:42.689 --> 02:43.830 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's not their fault. 02:43.850 --> 02:45.192 [SPEAKER_00]: They have to get to work. 02:45.252 --> 02:50.857 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and it would be really unsafe to ride your bike and listen to the podcast. 02:51.044 --> 02:54.926 [SPEAKER_01]: As we've seen with Bob Piccardo, it's Bob Piccardo writes his bike to work. 02:55.026 --> 02:55.966 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 02:56.046 --> 02:57.307 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a you thing. 02:57.347 --> 02:59.348 [SPEAKER_02]: You always ride your bike to work in the old days. 02:59.368 --> 03:04.690 [SPEAKER_01]: I do, but when Bob wrote his bike and talked to us on the podcast, he fell over and cut his butt. 03:05.611 --> 03:09.573 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to hear the whole stories, subscribe to the Delta Fire. 03:09.613 --> 03:10.173 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 03:10.413 --> 03:28.130 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to say, this is actually very important that this week on September 8th is Star Trek Day and it's going to be the 60th anniversary of Star Trek, the experience that Star Trek has been for everyone around the planet. 03:28.250 --> 03:29.551 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been 60 years. 03:30.332 --> 03:37.175 [SPEAKER_01]: generations of people have grown up on Star Trek, and it's been a part of their lives, and we're celebrating this week on September 8th. 03:37.675 --> 03:42.057 [SPEAKER_00]: Star Trek, hey, now was that the original date that the show aired? 03:42.497 --> 03:43.597 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll shut you down. 03:44.338 --> 03:44.818 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 03:45.478 --> 03:57.422 [SPEAKER_00]: And how about list a little shout out to William Shattner, because if he didn't come on and replace the other actor, we wouldn't have had Star Trek, and we all would not have had jobs. 03:57.802 --> 04:00.423 [SPEAKER_00]: And we would not be sitting or talking about Star Trek. 04:00.563 --> 04:02.764 [SPEAKER_00]: So, thank you, Bill Shattner. 04:02.864 --> 04:05.125 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we get some birthdays to talk about, though. 04:05.145 --> 04:06.145 [SPEAKER_01]: We do want to mention, 04:13.748 --> 04:17.913 [SPEAKER_00]: Feliz Gupleonios Lalu's happy happy birthday. 04:18.133 --> 04:19.154 [SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday Lalu's. 04:19.414 --> 04:23.499 [SPEAKER_02]: We also have Daniel Kaminsky on September 13th. 04:23.779 --> 04:25.141 [SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday Daniel. 04:25.942 --> 04:27.884 [SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday Daniel. 04:28.384 --> 04:29.165 [UNKNOWN]: What? 04:29.646 --> 04:30.747 [SPEAKER_00]: Lucky 13. 04:31.428 --> 04:32.048 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 04:32.209 --> 04:33.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Daniel. 04:33.490 --> 04:34.171 [SPEAKER_01]: Have a great day. 04:40.443 --> 04:45.527 [SPEAKER_00]: But their once was a villain named Ducott, and he murdered Bajoran's a lot. 04:46.168 --> 04:55.015 [SPEAKER_00]: His daughter Zayal was killed, rage ignited his evil skills, and his mind finally turned to rot. 04:56.732 --> 05:01.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that was like an allemark sort of format. 05:02.318 --> 05:09.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to put on my creative hat. 05:09.605 --> 05:10.786 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love it. 05:11.326 --> 05:11.947 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 05:11.967 --> 05:14.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's fun to do the poetry, isn't it? 05:14.710 --> 05:19.274 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's super is because it doesn't matter actually what the format is. 05:20.435 --> 05:25.297 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the opportunity to be creative in a way that I haven't done since I was a teenager. 05:25.417 --> 05:26.197 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 05:26.297 --> 05:28.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Writing dark stuff in a diary. 05:28.038 --> 05:29.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 05:30.419 --> 05:32.299 [SPEAKER_00]: They were very dark poetry then. 05:32.439 --> 05:38.802 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is our chance as creative people to be creative in the very beginning of our podcast. 05:38.942 --> 05:39.382 [SPEAKER_02]: It's wonderful. 05:39.682 --> 05:40.823 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you guys. 05:40.883 --> 05:43.325 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of which, Robin, let's hear your library. 05:43.525 --> 05:45.346 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I have a limmer today. 05:45.366 --> 05:46.067 [SPEAKER_01]: It goes like this. 05:46.507 --> 05:51.871 [SPEAKER_01]: Goldu-Cod was convinced he was right, but his evil grew clearer each night. 05:52.631 --> 05:59.676 [SPEAKER_01]: He blamed everyone else while deceiving himself, but will evil or honor win the fight. 06:01.398 --> 06:01.498 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 06:01.618 --> 06:03.299 [SPEAKER_01]: That boom, bam, that the boom. 06:03.579 --> 06:04.079 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that. 06:04.660 --> 06:05.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 06:05.841 --> 06:08.142 [SPEAKER_00]: Robert Duckomingdale, bam. 06:09.627 --> 06:10.147 [SPEAKER_01]: Bam. 06:10.167 --> 06:10.668 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:11.068 --> 06:12.028 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the creative. 06:12.468 --> 06:12.829 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:12.849 --> 06:13.649 [SPEAKER_02]: It's super cool. 06:13.729 --> 06:15.410 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't not be creative. 06:15.650 --> 06:16.811 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, already. 06:16.911 --> 06:18.071 [SPEAKER_00]: We're creative people. 06:18.331 --> 06:18.611 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just. 06:18.631 --> 06:19.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 06:20.092 --> 06:20.472 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir. 06:20.672 --> 06:28.897 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say it's every time that I go to the gym with Megan, we should say, okay, now we're doing RDLs, which are these 06:29.937 --> 06:37.849 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, abbreviation acronym and I go, Robby done coming nails because to me, I hear our job whenever he says probably, I'm like, is there an exercise at Robby taught us? 06:37.889 --> 06:40.233 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, just non-secret. 06:40.253 --> 06:41.876 [SPEAKER_00]: What's an RDL? 06:42.096 --> 06:43.238 [SPEAKER_02]: What is an RDL stand for? 06:44.393 --> 06:45.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he asked the ass. 06:45.493 --> 06:47.734 [SPEAKER_02]: Romanian deadlift is what it is. 06:47.754 --> 06:48.014 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man. 06:48.074 --> 06:49.655 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that doesn't sound like fun at all. 06:50.155 --> 06:50.976 [SPEAKER_00]: It's sad. 06:51.096 --> 06:52.836 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the most fun exercise. 06:53.056 --> 06:53.556 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that. 06:53.597 --> 06:54.217 [SPEAKER_00]: Got it. 06:54.337 --> 06:54.437 [SPEAKER_00]: OK. 06:54.577 --> 06:56.017 [SPEAKER_00]: But we need to hear your. 06:56.197 --> 06:56.758 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's my Haku. 06:57.158 --> 06:57.878 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Kira. 06:58.018 --> 06:58.838 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Kira. 06:58.899 --> 06:59.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Kira. 06:59.959 --> 07:00.399 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Kira. 07:00.459 --> 07:02.320 [SPEAKER_02]: Ben visits Ducott. 07:02.600 --> 07:05.021 [SPEAKER_02]: Hunchu destroyed their stranded. 07:05.881 --> 07:07.822 [SPEAKER_02]: Ducott loses mind. 07:14.470 --> 07:16.591 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a patreon submitted poetry winner. 07:16.651 --> 07:19.972 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a limerick submitted by Scott Bowling and it goes like this. 07:20.932 --> 07:25.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Their once was a man named Ducat and he praised himself quite a lot. 07:26.695 --> 07:31.296 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems he saved Cisco just to stroke his own ego. 07:32.057 --> 07:33.237 [SPEAKER_01]: Did he leave for good? 07:33.897 --> 07:35.398 [SPEAKER_01]: I think not. 07:38.861 --> 07:42.965 [SPEAKER_00]: I like on the first two lines, it's not Nye, we're twinning. 07:43.246 --> 07:45.648 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you very close anyway. 07:45.968 --> 07:52.575 [SPEAKER_00]: I shouldn't tell you that Scott actually had a meeting together and Scott, you didn't follow the rules. 07:52.716 --> 07:54.978 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so this episode is written by Randy Moore. 07:55.539 --> 07:57.280 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I directed by Renee. 07:57.360 --> 07:57.821 [SPEAKER_02]: Renee? 07:58.021 --> 07:58.622 [SPEAKER_02]: Al-Bujer-Wah. 07:59.229 --> 08:02.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, guest stars jiffy coms as well. 08:02.911 --> 08:11.654 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Mark Alimo as Goldicott, and of course, Casey Biggs as Demar, what are how many episodes Renee has directed at this point? 08:12.095 --> 08:15.696 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but what would you, what would your, what would your guest be? 08:15.816 --> 08:17.017 [SPEAKER_01]: I would guess like four. 08:17.819 --> 08:18.579 [SPEAKER_00]: maybe at this point. 08:18.619 --> 08:20.780 [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what I put up. 08:21.340 --> 08:22.901 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the real, this is number four. 08:23.021 --> 08:26.763 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this feels like it's number four, but I don't know if it feels like it. 08:26.883 --> 08:29.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's, it's really well done. 08:29.824 --> 08:31.945 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, I feel like, 08:32.784 --> 08:35.225 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen his growth, you know, as a director. 08:35.265 --> 08:37.185 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen his confidence grow. 08:37.525 --> 08:41.306 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I thought this was really well-directed. 08:41.466 --> 08:44.166 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll get into the minutiae of that throughout this episode. 08:44.426 --> 08:45.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll get into it. 08:45.787 --> 09:00.350 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a couple of places where I think Renee made some choices as a director and the way he photographed some scenes that I was like, well, I get why he did this for multiple reasons, but I don't know if it was as effective 09:01.430 --> 09:03.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, as as the intention, but we'll get. 09:03.611 --> 09:04.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:04.072 --> 09:04.752 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about it. 09:05.072 --> 09:05.392 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 09:05.552 --> 09:08.154 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about some trivia before we jump into this. 09:08.354 --> 09:09.975 [SPEAKER_02]: So yes, this long. 09:10.475 --> 09:10.675 [SPEAKER_02]: This. 09:10.695 --> 09:11.436 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. 09:11.756 --> 09:22.942 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the second DS9 episode in a row to use a light redress of the Star Trek Voyager Brig set, so they jump over to our brig for this for that for that scene. 09:23.202 --> 09:23.622 [SPEAKER_00]: Really. 09:23.662 --> 09:24.123 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 09:28.846 --> 09:36.813 [SPEAKER_00]: When they are, oh, no, no, no, I think it's when just when he's in prison when he finds you know what, no, no, I apologize. 09:37.173 --> 09:40.816 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched the quarks episode before this episode. 09:41.957 --> 09:42.578 [SPEAKER_00]: This morning. 09:42.598 --> 09:44.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my magnificent for Angie. 09:45.260 --> 09:47.061 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I love that episode. 09:47.081 --> 09:47.782 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was, 09:49.685 --> 09:50.526 [SPEAKER_01]: ops redress. 09:50.666 --> 09:52.927 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a fun episode. 09:53.507 --> 09:54.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm sorry. 09:54.748 --> 09:55.048 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 09:55.108 --> 09:56.068 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where my brain went. 09:56.409 --> 09:56.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 09:57.489 --> 09:57.709 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 09:57.729 --> 10:08.235 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, originally this episode was to be structured similarly to the third season episode distant voices with the regular crew appearing as different aspects of Dekot's personality. 10:09.015 --> 10:16.078 [SPEAKER_02]: According to Ronald D. Moore, Waltz began life as a story we called to Cots Head around the office. 10:16.878 --> 10:32.063 [SPEAKER_02]: No, she was for Cisco to go visit to Cots in the mental hospital and while Cisco was trying to engage the Catatonic Cardassian in conversation, we would push in onto Cots face and then go inside his head and show us the fantasy life he was living. 10:32.483 --> 10:33.664 [SPEAKER_02]: That's quite interesting. 10:33.724 --> 10:35.284 [SPEAKER_00]: And really ambitious. 10:37.085 --> 10:38.110 [SPEAKER_00]: film. 10:38.130 --> 10:40.059 [SPEAKER_00]: You would have time to film it. 10:40.079 --> 10:40.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:41.172 --> 10:41.392 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:41.873 --> 10:42.793 [SPEAKER_02]: Another piece of trivia. 10:42.853 --> 10:46.136 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the eighth episode directed by Renee Obvision Law. 10:46.676 --> 10:48.438 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at my goodness. 10:48.638 --> 10:49.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 10:49.538 --> 10:49.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Eight. 10:49.899 --> 10:50.679 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess four. 10:50.759 --> 10:51.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:51.180 --> 10:53.021 [SPEAKER_01]: Eight is very confident at this point. 10:53.041 --> 10:55.183 [SPEAKER_00]: We just headed to add ours together, Robbie. 10:55.303 --> 10:55.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:55.623 --> 10:56.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Four plus four equals eight. 10:57.084 --> 10:57.645 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. 10:58.145 --> 11:06.892 [SPEAKER_02]: Of this episode, Renee said it was a stage piece and it dealt with acting acting acting all the time. 11:11.115 --> 11:12.236 [SPEAKER_00]: of course you're in a cave. 11:12.577 --> 11:13.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 11:13.458 --> 11:13.718 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 11:13.878 --> 11:15.059 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a morning scene. 11:15.300 --> 11:16.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's make the cave interesting. 11:16.841 --> 11:18.163 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we make the cave interesting? 11:18.223 --> 11:18.563 [SPEAKER_02]: Got it. 11:18.723 --> 11:19.044 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 11:19.424 --> 11:20.325 [SPEAKER_02]: Next bit of trivia. 11:20.525 --> 11:25.070 [SPEAKER_02]: Mark and limo commented, quote, that is a really terrific piece. 11:25.310 --> 11:29.595 [SPEAKER_02]: Stories like that are usually reserved for the regulars and I was flattered that they wrote it for me. 11:30.272 --> 11:31.994 [SPEAKER_02]: They gave me a lot of responsibility. 11:32.074 --> 11:35.777 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was glad to see that everything actually worked when it was all put together. 11:36.198 --> 11:39.461 [SPEAKER_02]: They allowed me to take a lot of chances with a character like DeCott. 11:39.601 --> 11:45.547 [SPEAKER_02]: I get to express so many different aspects of myself in him that I don't always get a chance to in real life. 11:45.967 --> 11:49.430 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very grateful that they trust me enough to write an episode like that for me. 11:49.791 --> 11:53.755 [SPEAKER_02]: It means they like and respect my work and that makes a huge difference. 11:54.515 --> 11:55.236 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Grace. 11:55.616 --> 11:57.737 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Bravo, Mark Limeau. 11:57.838 --> 12:00.119 [SPEAKER_00]: He is such a talented actor. 12:00.139 --> 12:00.900 [SPEAKER_00]: He really is. 12:01.020 --> 12:06.624 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so happy he had the piece for us to have this side look into his character. 12:07.044 --> 12:07.244 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:07.705 --> 12:14.009 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a big story as he said for a guest star, a really big story, which I love about your shows. 12:14.089 --> 12:30.738 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like shows that have character pieces where they highlight a character and you get to know them more and including B and C story lines that have other aspects and I think the team of writers and producers really did a great job. 12:31.138 --> 12:32.659 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's talk about the episode. 12:32.719 --> 12:35.760 [SPEAKER_01]: So the Han shoe is flying through space. 12:35.920 --> 12:38.682 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say the Han shoe have we seen the Han shoe before. 12:39.202 --> 12:39.622 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 12:39.843 --> 12:40.443 [SPEAKER_01]: On the outside. 12:40.623 --> 12:41.864 [SPEAKER_01]: We're looking ship right. 12:42.084 --> 12:42.885 [SPEAKER_01]: So weird. 12:43.165 --> 12:48.229 [SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me of like air hockey tables or I don't know why that's what came to my mind. 12:48.389 --> 12:49.530 [SPEAKER_01]: The ship air hockey. 12:49.670 --> 12:50.711 [SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't know what it was. 12:50.791 --> 12:54.714 [SPEAKER_02]: The puck you think it looked like a puck is maybe a puck or the air hockey. 12:54.854 --> 12:56.075 [SPEAKER_01]: I said play air hockey. 12:56.095 --> 12:58.597 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 12:59.317 --> 13:01.259 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, let's take a vote who likes air hockey. 13:02.220 --> 13:02.620 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 13:03.375 --> 13:04.555 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm putting to me. 13:05.476 --> 13:08.137 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a very hockey if I had a basement. 13:08.177 --> 13:09.697 [SPEAKER_00]: I would definitely have one of those. 13:10.018 --> 13:11.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Robbie put a air hockey thing in your house. 13:11.878 --> 13:12.659 [SPEAKER_01]: That'd be funny. 13:12.679 --> 13:15.680 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you totally need air hockey. 13:15.840 --> 13:18.601 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so the hunt shoe is flying through space. 13:18.661 --> 13:20.121 [SPEAKER_01]: Very cool, very retro. 13:20.201 --> 13:25.063 [SPEAKER_01]: But basically Cisco's talking about he's on the on the hunt shoe. 13:25.143 --> 13:29.345 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot of sympathy for Ducod who's locked up being transferred over to 13:30.496 --> 13:36.040 [SPEAKER_01]: to starfleet station where they're going to have a trial, but Cisco's very sympathetic. 13:36.060 --> 13:38.642 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I, you know, I feel bad for this guy. 13:38.703 --> 13:42.786 [SPEAKER_01]: He lost his daughter, he lost an empire, he nearly lost his mind. 13:44.251 --> 13:48.034 [SPEAKER_01]: aren't whatever his crimes has any had enough punishment. 13:48.614 --> 13:55.459 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's already out of the gate a lot of sympathy from Cisco, which I thought is very evolved of him. 13:56.140 --> 13:56.540 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 13:57.020 --> 14:01.363 [SPEAKER_02]: Robbie, did that one bit in his captain's log kind of stand out? 14:01.543 --> 14:07.207 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the part when he says as terrible as it sounds, there's a part of me that wishes he were dead. 14:07.367 --> 14:07.928 [SPEAKER_02]: That part 14:10.169 --> 14:11.771 [SPEAKER_01]: You never hear Janeway saying something like that. 14:11.851 --> 14:18.020 [SPEAKER_02]: You just don't get, and it was so real that it pulled me out of the episode. 14:18.060 --> 14:19.762 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, it's real. 14:19.802 --> 14:21.845 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it did in, in that matter. 14:22.546 --> 14:23.927 [SPEAKER_00]: I, what I liked about it is that. 14:26.210 --> 14:27.792 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it shows the gray. 14:27.992 --> 14:28.973 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the yes. 14:29.153 --> 14:31.856 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not evil or good. 14:31.936 --> 14:42.046 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the in between in this episode is so clear because I think that's the really compelling part of do caught is there there are moments we've seen him and you think oh 14:43.087 --> 14:52.209 [SPEAKER_00]: Always doing something good or he seems kind and it's oh, yeah Masking all of these other thoughts going on, which is yeah He's very upsetting. 14:52.569 --> 14:54.629 [SPEAKER_00]: We learn a lot about him in this episode. 14:54.649 --> 15:03.151 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure Woo, yeah, and we cut inside the haunts to haunche you Brigh this is the redress Boy sure bring correct That's right. 15:03.191 --> 15:05.572 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I love that we were over on your sets. 15:05.712 --> 15:07.512 [SPEAKER_01]: You can We probably know 15:12.973 --> 15:15.194 [SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't on your set all the time. 15:15.654 --> 15:17.054 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I guess. 15:17.134 --> 15:20.095 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we kind of had that in storage because we didn't use it all the time. 15:20.175 --> 15:26.937 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, they'd fold it up and store it exactly folded up like it's just it's like a pop up book, you know, 15:36.848 --> 16:04.304 [SPEAKER_01]: or a got me there you go it's an origami set folded up we're on the show and the origami set do caught his praying he's down on his knees did you notice that i didn't know that he pray i thought he was meditating oh made it to me okay yeah because he wasn't doing it i mean his hand maybe that is prayer uh what the way he had his hands yeah meditating would make more sense because i don't think the cardassians pray that's a bit jordan thing 16:04.824 --> 16:08.667 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't want to be in that soup of a mind. 16:09.047 --> 16:12.630 [SPEAKER_00]: Just now that a net no back to one, back to one. 16:12.770 --> 16:13.791 [SPEAKER_00]: Soup of a mind. 16:14.091 --> 16:14.471 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 16:15.032 --> 16:17.914 [SPEAKER_02]: We've had no indication that the Kardashians even have a god. 16:18.114 --> 16:21.456 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because he looks down on the Bajorans because they do. 16:21.656 --> 16:22.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they do. 16:22.277 --> 16:24.679 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they think there's so much more of all. 16:24.739 --> 16:25.059 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 16:25.239 --> 16:25.499 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 16:25.679 --> 16:25.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:26.340 --> 16:26.700 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 16:26.860 --> 16:29.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, do cop is meditating then. 16:29.742 --> 16:32.925 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco comes in when they start talking. 16:34.187 --> 16:53.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco seems very sympathetic to him and Ducat seems very sane and contrite and you know they talk about the trial that Ducat is going to be having when they get to survey six tomorrow and Cisco says he will tell the truth, he'll tell what he saw, what he knows. 16:54.192 --> 16:55.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, when they talk about Z. 16:55.314 --> 16:57.196 [SPEAKER_01]: All, it gets kind of emotional in there. 16:57.616 --> 17:00.980 [SPEAKER_01]: He can't even, I loved how Mark Alaymo when he got to the word death. 17:01.301 --> 17:04.064 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, the good doctor encouraged me to talk about Z. 17:04.084 --> 17:06.287 [SPEAKER_01]: All whenever possible since it was her. 17:09.965 --> 17:10.285 [SPEAKER_02]: death. 17:10.646 --> 17:10.886 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:10.926 --> 17:12.987 [SPEAKER_01]: He took this long because. 17:13.227 --> 17:13.568 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:13.788 --> 17:14.448 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:14.508 --> 17:16.950 [SPEAKER_00]: So painful to say excretion. 17:17.290 --> 17:17.471 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 17:17.491 --> 17:17.791 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:18.491 --> 17:18.691 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 17:18.792 --> 17:19.292 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great. 17:19.832 --> 17:25.997 [SPEAKER_00]: But I thought I liked that he said after that that brought on my momentary instability. 17:26.337 --> 17:27.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:27.958 --> 17:28.298 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 17:28.338 --> 17:30.460 [SPEAKER_00]: Does seem sane in this scene. 17:30.480 --> 17:31.181 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:31.201 --> 17:34.983 [SPEAKER_01]: He did a great job of playing like he's fine. 17:35.083 --> 17:35.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 17:36.084 --> 17:40.606 [SPEAKER_02]: He did and he has to be sane in this first scene for the rest of this episode to even work. 17:40.746 --> 17:41.006 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 17:41.026 --> 17:42.246 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you have to pass. 17:42.266 --> 17:42.386 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:42.446 --> 17:44.347 [SPEAKER_00]: And he also talented actor. 17:44.387 --> 17:46.508 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to telegraph the rest of the story. 17:46.728 --> 17:47.068 [SPEAKER_02]: Correct. 17:47.108 --> 17:47.308 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:47.628 --> 17:52.270 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the only telegraph was a big pause before death is and it was a very small. 17:52.290 --> 17:54.071 [SPEAKER_00]: That was an acting choice, right? 17:54.111 --> 17:54.331 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 17:55.031 --> 17:56.031 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that broke as hard? 17:56.892 --> 17:57.092 [SPEAKER_00]: True. 17:57.712 --> 18:00.853 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, what do you put her through, too? 18:01.173 --> 18:03.976 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to say those Cisco's very kind to him. 18:04.016 --> 18:06.539 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very sympathetic, offers to get him some canar. 18:06.579 --> 18:14.548 [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is also extremely sensitive and empathetic Cisco and this scene more than I would have expected. 18:15.369 --> 18:16.450 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too. 18:16.670 --> 18:17.491 [SPEAKER_01]: Very sympathetic. 18:17.691 --> 18:17.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 18:18.292 --> 18:30.278 [SPEAKER_02]: That sympathetic moment is interrupted when we hear a big boom, it's read a lot of there's clearly an attack happening and I was watching their shaking and at one point they were kind of shaking opposite of each other. 18:30.338 --> 18:32.299 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, wait a minute, physics doesn't work that way. 18:32.319 --> 18:36.861 [SPEAKER_02]: You both should be moving in what that is the same way, but that's okay, you know, like it was wrong about. 18:37.121 --> 18:38.142 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. 18:38.343 --> 18:39.965 [SPEAKER_01]: They needed Kim Friedman, the director. 18:40.545 --> 18:41.707 [SPEAKER_02]: Kim wasn't around. 18:42.027 --> 18:43.789 [SPEAKER_01]: Kim Friedman was the shake expert. 18:43.809 --> 18:44.510 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he was. 18:44.670 --> 18:45.751 [SPEAKER_02]: He was the shake expert. 18:45.771 --> 18:46.452 [SPEAKER_02]: This is good at that. 18:47.012 --> 18:49.295 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, OK, so we have a little credit. 18:49.315 --> 18:50.056 [SPEAKER_01]: It's opening credits. 18:50.076 --> 18:50.756 [SPEAKER_01]: We come back. 18:50.836 --> 18:54.400 [SPEAKER_01]: We're in Ops, Kieran Oto, come out of the captain's office. 18:55.001 --> 18:58.585 [SPEAKER_01]: Kira announces that the Hanshu was destroyed. 18:59.265 --> 19:00.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, horrible news. 19:01.506 --> 19:04.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but we do learn there's a few survivors. 19:04.308 --> 19:09.670 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to search until Warf has to take the defiant to go escort this Federation troop company. 19:10.331 --> 19:14.013 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, three escape pods, one shuttle craft. 19:14.653 --> 19:19.195 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some survivors, but it was bad. 19:19.516 --> 19:20.496 [SPEAKER_00]: I just have a question. 19:20.816 --> 19:26.219 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't this, would it not make sense that all the pods are at least on the same planet? 19:27.753 --> 19:29.554 [SPEAKER_01]: You would think so, wouldn't you? 19:31.094 --> 19:31.194 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm. 19:31.334 --> 19:40.937 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kind of going with the physics that you just talked about in terms of like being a boat in the water, you're not gonna go the opposite way. 19:41.157 --> 19:41.718 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. 19:41.818 --> 19:48.200 [SPEAKER_01]: It did seem strange that it was so hard to search this vast who knows where they could be. 19:48.560 --> 19:54.882 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the star bases, where the star bases, if it blows up, you're gonna go, everybody's gonna go to the same spot, probably. 19:55.202 --> 19:59.026 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to revisit this issue a little more down the line. 19:59.366 --> 20:13.238 [SPEAKER_02]: But you well, did you have to either of you have any concern that there was not the people reporting this, meaning Kira, everyone else, Odo, O'Brien, there wasn't as much concern over the fact that Cisco could be dead. 20:13.458 --> 20:17.122 [SPEAKER_02]: It just seemed to kind of very casual like, hey, you know, there's it's just for all. 20:17.162 --> 20:18.803 [SPEAKER_02]: It was there was lack of urgency. 20:18.843 --> 20:20.785 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a bit more energy. 20:21.065 --> 20:28.733 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see that Kira was calmly addressing it, but it felt like she should have more energy behind sharing it. 20:28.813 --> 20:29.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 20:29.193 --> 20:30.875 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would be a director thing, right? 20:30.895 --> 20:31.756 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be. 20:31.776 --> 20:32.156 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:32.376 --> 20:40.965 [SPEAKER_01]: At the end, very important to say, Kira is really insistent on worth, you know, understanding how important it is to 20:42.053 --> 20:44.535 [SPEAKER_01]: escort this Federation troop convoy. 20:46.197 --> 20:49.200 [SPEAKER_01]: 52 hours to search, but now one second longer. 20:49.820 --> 20:54.665 [SPEAKER_01]: So she seemed to have a lot of energy in that role, but not as much in searching for Syska. 20:55.165 --> 20:56.166 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, for sure. 20:56.226 --> 20:56.887 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 20:57.627 --> 21:01.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like it should have been all about Cisco and we're going to do this thing at the end. 21:01.550 --> 21:02.030 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 21:02.230 --> 21:02.630 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 21:02.791 --> 21:06.413 [SPEAKER_00]: And why can't another ship escort them? 21:06.473 --> 21:08.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Why we're missing our captain? 21:08.474 --> 21:08.675 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 21:08.735 --> 21:11.376 [SPEAKER_01]: She did say why in the scene. 21:11.456 --> 21:16.480 [SPEAKER_01]: She says something about the plasma fields and the badlands and they need the defiant there. 21:16.560 --> 21:25.145 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it does seem like there should have been a little more energy and stakes with their captain and somebody that was that they worked. 21:26.908 --> 21:39.648 [SPEAKER_01]: you don't close to exactly what we do see the captain in a moment because we go inside planet hell in the cavern in the caves in the caves where there's always a fire got to have your camp fire in the caves. 21:40.138 --> 21:42.340 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, that's a rule with playing. 21:42.360 --> 21:46.623 [SPEAKER_00]: Propane, propane tank, that's right, that's right. 21:46.983 --> 21:51.927 [SPEAKER_01]: So we go cut into this, this cave, Ducaut is nursing Cisco in the scene. 21:52.027 --> 21:53.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco is very badly injured. 21:53.708 --> 21:59.433 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a huge metal cast, which I want to say, but it's not okay. 22:00.434 --> 22:02.996 [SPEAKER_01]: Why does it have to have a bar here? 22:03.336 --> 22:04.437 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if it's metal, 22:05.727 --> 22:12.057 [SPEAKER_01]: it does it doesn't need a support structure and other like be my really metal. 22:13.019 --> 22:14.221 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that really metal. 22:14.361 --> 22:16.384 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's just a metallic fabric. 22:16.544 --> 22:17.125 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it is? 22:18.027 --> 22:20.050 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, or something. 22:20.402 --> 22:21.243 [SPEAKER_02]: classic thing. 22:21.263 --> 22:34.314 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know, but that does seem rather it did feel like that beam going across was just decorative like it didn't look necessary if it's a metal cast. 22:34.334 --> 22:40.259 [SPEAKER_02]: I almost feel like that whoever designed that thought the adding to being would make it look more sci-fi. 22:40.779 --> 22:41.280 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 22:41.320 --> 22:41.440 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 22:41.480 --> 22:43.421 [SPEAKER_02]: And oh, so that's it. 22:44.182 --> 22:44.963 [SPEAKER_01]: And it did out. 22:46.529 --> 22:48.090 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it made it, no, it didn't. 22:48.130 --> 22:50.411 [SPEAKER_01]: It actually made it look more old-fashioned. 22:50.591 --> 22:53.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which made it a kid. 22:53.092 --> 22:55.533 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be maybe that kid is super old. 22:55.653 --> 23:00.555 [SPEAKER_00]: Because how many times do you go into it from the 1960s to the original series? 23:00.635 --> 23:02.596 [SPEAKER_01]: That year, they got to get from the original. 23:02.656 --> 23:06.618 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go, all the original series tasks have this. 23:06.638 --> 23:10.640 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a load, a load bearing beam included in the class. 23:12.412 --> 23:13.793 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco was injured very badly. 23:13.854 --> 23:17.196 [SPEAKER_01]: He got plasma burns all over the left side of his body. 23:17.416 --> 23:21.720 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes Did anybody else feel disoriented when we suddenly popped there? 23:23.292 --> 23:26.053 [SPEAKER_00]: We saw the rental there and then suddenly we're in the cave. 23:26.373 --> 23:27.293 [SPEAKER_00]: I did too. 23:27.493 --> 23:30.534 [SPEAKER_00]: I did and I felt like, oh my god, how did they? 23:30.554 --> 23:32.974 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all we saw was a red alert. 23:33.394 --> 23:33.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 23:34.554 --> 23:35.515 [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't pull me out though. 23:36.235 --> 23:38.975 [SPEAKER_02]: I know how you're saying like we saw red alert and all sudden they're in the cave, right? 23:38.995 --> 23:39.656 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what the heck? 23:40.036 --> 23:40.596 [SPEAKER_02]: And nothing else. 23:40.616 --> 23:44.817 [SPEAKER_02]: We kind of jumped a little bit of a missing scene moment here of how they yeah. 23:44.837 --> 23:45.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 23:45.457 --> 23:45.857 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 23:46.957 --> 23:48.477 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cisco's very grateful to the 23:51.651 --> 23:56.494 [SPEAKER_01]: Clear headed in this scene, very responsible, very sensitive to Cisco's needs. 23:57.634 --> 24:00.156 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco's grateful, he even tells Ducat, thank you. 24:01.196 --> 24:01.697 [SPEAKER_01]: We learned that. 24:02.715 --> 24:04.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Dukot landed them there in a shuttle. 24:04.938 --> 24:05.979 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know where they are. 24:06.019 --> 24:07.120 [SPEAKER_01]: There's somewhere he says. 24:07.420 --> 24:09.402 [SPEAKER_01]: And he repaired the distress beacon. 24:09.963 --> 24:15.409 [SPEAKER_01]: And so hopefully the distress beacon is going to it's the little box sitting in the middle of the cave. 24:16.851 --> 24:19.794 [SPEAKER_01]: That looks like it's working to me at this point. 24:20.034 --> 24:20.355 [SPEAKER_01]: You know? 24:20.395 --> 24:21.075 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure does. 24:21.516 --> 24:23.098 [SPEAKER_01]: And Dukot seems to see her. 24:23.538 --> 24:23.898 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 24:24.892 --> 24:25.552 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure does. 24:25.732 --> 24:31.234 [SPEAKER_02]: You know that bit where he says Lieutenant McConnell and I found you when the order came to abandon ship and Cisco said yes. 24:31.274 --> 24:33.134 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's McConnell and DeCott says dead. 24:33.774 --> 24:37.115 [SPEAKER_02]: A piece of strap and I'll hit him in the head is just as we're carrying you into the shuttle. 24:37.615 --> 24:40.456 [SPEAKER_02]: I kept thinking, oh, you killed McConnell, probably. 24:40.536 --> 24:42.097 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's my thought process. 24:42.497 --> 24:43.257 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, you know. 24:43.297 --> 24:46.398 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought they were going to be best buddies at this point. 24:46.438 --> 24:50.719 [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't doubt DeCott was along for the ride. 24:50.739 --> 24:53.300 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, DeCott's being responsible. 24:53.380 --> 24:53.560 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:55.420 --> 24:58.262 [SPEAKER_01]: I was definitely questioning every moment. 24:58.382 --> 25:01.764 [SPEAKER_00]: It did kind of feel like, oh, he's kind of a changed man. 25:01.904 --> 25:03.064 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I bought it. 25:03.224 --> 25:05.906 [SPEAKER_00]: But I also believed it could be possible. 25:06.206 --> 25:06.426 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:06.626 --> 25:06.866 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 25:07.146 --> 25:07.306 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:07.667 --> 25:09.147 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything's possible with Dekot. 25:09.548 --> 25:09.728 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 25:09.748 --> 25:10.928 [SPEAKER_00]: But does it matter right now? 25:11.348 --> 25:12.749 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because you know why? 25:13.870 --> 25:16.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Dekot walks into the tunnel. 25:16.771 --> 25:18.412 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, I'm going to go, I'll be back in an hour. 25:18.432 --> 25:19.493 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go look for some food. 25:19.833 --> 25:20.573 [SPEAKER_01]: Walks in the tunnel. 25:21.253 --> 25:22.154 [SPEAKER_01]: Who does he run into? 25:23.954 --> 25:24.595 [SPEAKER_02]: Jeffrey Combs. 25:24.935 --> 25:25.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:25.976 --> 25:27.237 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, where are you? 25:27.257 --> 25:27.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Where are you? 25:27.857 --> 25:28.118 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 25:28.898 --> 25:29.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 25:29.159 --> 25:31.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, if I say Jeffrey Combs, he could be a million characters. 25:31.761 --> 25:31.861 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 25:31.881 --> 25:32.341 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really good. 25:32.361 --> 25:33.182 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really good. 25:33.202 --> 25:33.823 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really good. 25:33.843 --> 25:34.463 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really good. 25:34.483 --> 25:35.724 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really good. 25:35.744 --> 25:36.345 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really good. 25:36.365 --> 25:37.746 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:37.766 --> 25:38.287 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really good. 25:38.327 --> 25:39.408 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really good. 25:39.428 --> 25:40.148 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:40.168 --> 25:41.009 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:41.029 --> 25:41.569 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:41.589 --> 25:43.211 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:43.231 --> 25:44.112 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:44.132 --> 25:44.812 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:45.032 --> 25:45.633 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:45.653 --> 25:46.133 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:46.173 --> 25:47.435 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:47.455 --> 25:48.195 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really good. 25:50.377 --> 25:51.858 [SPEAKER_00]: didn't believe. 25:52.298 --> 25:58.821 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish we would have seen an opening or something because I just felt I didn't believe that Cisco couldn't hear him. 25:59.381 --> 26:00.042 [SPEAKER_00]: It's best. 26:00.102 --> 26:02.423 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was like. 26:03.283 --> 26:06.665 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when Goldicott screams, it's like, how could? 26:07.105 --> 26:10.629 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a cave sound echoes. 26:10.869 --> 26:11.129 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 26:11.169 --> 26:12.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Wayne is there. 26:13.031 --> 26:15.313 [SPEAKER_01]: Wayne says, you should kill Cisco. 26:15.654 --> 26:19.798 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, uh, and it tells Dakota that he was a pathetic private baby back at the hospital. 26:19.818 --> 26:27.345 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really winding up due caught to cock at super mad, like he said, screens, shoots at Wayne, but Wayne's disappeared. 26:28.366 --> 26:41.792 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wrote down Hulu's in Asian question, but this is the first, I watched this twice, but the first time I watched it, I was like, oh, if this is where they intended me to start to doubt, this is where I started going, oh, wait a minute. 26:41.892 --> 26:42.372 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not. 26:42.512 --> 26:48.915 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I have to tell you, I knew it was imagining because we see a hole, not dead with a wound. 26:49.335 --> 26:49.755 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 26:50.115 --> 26:52.796 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, from the phaser. 26:52.856 --> 26:53.377 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fire. 26:54.998 --> 26:59.120 [SPEAKER_01]: And he wasn't like it wasn't his body wasn't there receiving the shot. 26:59.201 --> 27:03.843 [SPEAKER_01]: It's when he took the shot all of a sudden there was nobody there and I was like, wait a minute. 27:04.043 --> 27:07.565 [SPEAKER_00]: Do we ever have vaporized on our weapons? 27:07.666 --> 27:09.206 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we do. 27:09.527 --> 27:09.767 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:10.687 --> 27:22.950 [SPEAKER_01]: But usually you see that being made contact and then the police can vaporize is like a beam out or something But in this shot you didn't see any Any image of Of way unit all when the shot was fired. 27:23.030 --> 27:24.831 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's like in the cave. 27:24.971 --> 27:26.691 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right Yeah, he hit the rock wall. 27:26.811 --> 27:27.892 [SPEAKER_01]: No no person. 27:27.992 --> 27:28.632 [SPEAKER_01]: It was nobody there. 27:28.652 --> 27:29.292 [SPEAKER_00]: It had been cool. 27:29.312 --> 27:33.513 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like kind of red around that spot to Yeah, yeah 27:34.384 --> 27:39.274 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought effects, by the way, they did a good job with all these special effects department. 27:39.754 --> 27:43.682 [SPEAKER_01]: With all the phasor blasts later on, and there's a lot of cool. 27:44.672 --> 27:45.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought this was good. 27:46.173 --> 27:56.581 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so he blasted no way you we cut back into the cave set and Ducaught is cooking, cooking over a fire or something. 27:56.941 --> 27:58.062 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a very long scene. 27:58.162 --> 28:00.784 [SPEAKER_01]: One of two very long scenes in this episode. 28:00.804 --> 28:06.328 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the first one, but Ducaught's cooking Cisco makes a comment about too much. 28:07.240 --> 28:12.883 [SPEAKER_01]: of the leaves or whatever he's putting in initially, right? 28:12.923 --> 28:14.924 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't, doesn't he say something like that? 28:15.004 --> 28:16.105 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he just does too much. 28:16.445 --> 28:18.466 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Duca's like, I'm doing the cooking here. 28:18.506 --> 28:18.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 28:19.006 --> 28:20.587 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like a bickering little couple. 28:20.647 --> 28:21.447 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was cute. 28:21.467 --> 28:22.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 28:22.628 --> 28:22.928 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:22.948 --> 28:25.609 [SPEAKER_01]: So Duca says he's doing the cooking. 28:25.669 --> 28:28.891 [SPEAKER_01]: Duca does to ask how he's feeling, how Cisco's feeling. 28:29.091 --> 28:33.413 [SPEAKER_01]: And he references, he was really, really sick last night. 28:37.467 --> 29:05.203 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but he did get very sick and Dukot says, isn't it funny how, you know, our change and fortunes used to be the one, you know, with the, on top, and I wasn't locked up in a brig and now, yeah, I'm the one that's got more, you know, power and you're, I was in jail says, yeah, now you're, oh, I was, you're a prisoner and now you're a prisoner of your own body of your own body. 29:05.243 --> 29:05.643 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 29:06.566 --> 29:07.206 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that line. 29:07.526 --> 29:07.807 [SPEAKER_02]: I do. 29:08.107 --> 29:11.328 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he talks about changes in fortune, which we can all relate to. 29:11.488 --> 29:12.669 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very relatable. 29:13.149 --> 29:14.349 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just had a realization. 29:14.410 --> 29:18.511 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you see, do we see a camera angle of what he's cooking at all? 29:18.831 --> 29:19.072 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we? 29:19.192 --> 29:19.712 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that. 29:19.792 --> 29:20.112 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 29:20.172 --> 29:27.435 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think there could be in to caught's mind that he caught some animal that he didn't even catch some alien animal. 29:27.455 --> 29:27.976 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 29:27.996 --> 29:32.197 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just throwing in leaves into just boiling water and that there's nothing in there. 29:32.317 --> 29:32.898 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe. 29:33.518 --> 29:33.798 [SPEAKER_01]: thinking. 29:34.018 --> 29:38.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Or I thought maybe he put those leaves in that that's what made Cisco sick. 29:38.741 --> 29:40.422 [SPEAKER_01]: He's actually trying to keep Cisco. 29:41.323 --> 29:43.184 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're going to week. 29:43.204 --> 29:44.104 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, there you go. 29:44.124 --> 29:45.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Love that plot point. 29:45.385 --> 29:46.786 [SPEAKER_01]: What have been cool? 29:47.046 --> 29:49.728 [SPEAKER_01]: He does hear something though, DuCOT's like, wait a minute, what was that? 29:50.404 --> 29:50.724 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:50.784 --> 29:53.727 [SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco's like I didn't hear anything and it was maybe it was the wind. 29:54.328 --> 29:54.888 [SPEAKER_01]: So he starts. 29:55.509 --> 30:01.314 [SPEAKER_01]: So again, we're like layering in these little clues that not all as well. 30:01.655 --> 30:09.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe it sort of that did he really hear wind or he did it for the people that didn't catch on to why you're not being vaporized. 30:10.223 --> 30:10.523 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 30:10.963 --> 30:13.806 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, little hints, little hints. 30:14.960 --> 30:29.476 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he does run into the, he runs, he leaves Cisco and heads back into the tunnel and bumps into good old tomorrow now so yet another figment of his imagination and tomorrow is also like way you're trying to convince 30:36.904 --> 30:44.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you notice tomorrow, the lighting around tomorrow was almost like a German expressionist film or something. 30:44.049 --> 30:45.490 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all blackness. 30:46.270 --> 30:47.891 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just as bad. 30:47.931 --> 30:48.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 30:48.332 --> 30:50.713 [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like Betty Davis. 30:50.833 --> 30:53.215 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I liked that it was different. 30:53.535 --> 30:55.296 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was cool too. 30:55.456 --> 30:56.597 [SPEAKER_01]: It looked wonderful. 30:56.617 --> 30:57.718 [SPEAKER_00]: Would that have been Renee? 30:58.480 --> 31:00.582 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, would Renee West for that. 31:00.602 --> 31:02.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Renee might have said a little more theatrical. 31:02.703 --> 31:03.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's make it surreal. 31:03.724 --> 31:03.964 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:04.124 --> 31:04.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 31:04.445 --> 31:05.565 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Jonathan West. 31:05.926 --> 31:06.947 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Jonathan West. 31:06.987 --> 31:07.347 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 31:07.487 --> 31:08.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Artistic touch on it. 31:09.208 --> 31:09.428 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 31:09.448 --> 31:10.429 [SPEAKER_02]: Good job, J. W. Yeah. 31:10.569 --> 31:19.076 [SPEAKER_02]: Demars convincing does not really do anything because Decott really needs to know whether or not Cisco respects him. 31:19.636 --> 31:22.058 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what he wants to get out of Cisco. 31:22.298 --> 31:24.460 [SPEAKER_02]: He wants verbal confirmation that he respects. 31:24.920 --> 31:25.120 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 31:25.421 --> 31:25.981 [SPEAKER_00]: That's great. 31:27.733 --> 31:29.515 [SPEAKER_00]: That's totally crazy. 31:29.815 --> 31:30.196 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 31:30.476 --> 31:31.417 [SPEAKER_00]: Of Duke Hot. 31:31.437 --> 31:32.998 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank for one second. 31:33.018 --> 31:34.019 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are we listening? 31:34.039 --> 31:35.040 [SPEAKER_02]: Why are we listening? 31:35.060 --> 31:37.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it just felt like a good idea. 31:37.763 --> 31:39.544 [SPEAKER_00]: And then look, it got quiet. 31:39.604 --> 31:41.767 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't want to cut to hear us. 31:42.587 --> 31:43.408 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't. 31:43.628 --> 31:44.829 [SPEAKER_00]: It scares me. 31:44.950 --> 31:46.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, what kind of meat do you want? 31:46.671 --> 31:48.093 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought leaves in our dinner. 31:48.393 --> 31:49.654 [SPEAKER_00]: And he forgot the pepper. 31:49.674 --> 31:49.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 31:51.015 --> 31:52.135 [SPEAKER_01]: he did forget the pepper. 31:53.036 --> 31:55.876 [SPEAKER_01]: It did not look like good soup to me, by the way. 31:55.957 --> 31:58.737 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not get into rock. 31:59.297 --> 32:04.399 [SPEAKER_00]: I think honestly that you're right, it was leaves and water, and that's it. 32:04.839 --> 32:08.000 [SPEAKER_00]: That was what it was, and that's why he was finished it. 32:08.540 --> 32:10.903 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, well, that's why I finish it, right? 32:11.003 --> 32:12.585 [SPEAKER_01]: He was six and four. 32:12.745 --> 32:14.447 [SPEAKER_01]: Salt and pepper soup, that's it. 32:14.467 --> 32:17.210 [SPEAKER_01]: Water, but unknown leaves. 32:17.650 --> 32:19.092 [SPEAKER_00]: But then, how does this make sense? 32:19.212 --> 32:22.376 [SPEAKER_00]: How long did go to cut, say they had rations for? 32:22.396 --> 32:24.578 [SPEAKER_01]: Then why are they just a few days? 32:24.658 --> 32:26.360 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought four or five days or something. 32:27.275 --> 32:28.757 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was longer. 32:29.337 --> 32:29.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe. 32:29.838 --> 32:33.701 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so back to tomorrow, tomorrow says kill him, kill him, kill him. 32:33.721 --> 32:34.622 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very dark. 32:34.702 --> 32:39.987 [SPEAKER_01]: We cut back in the cavern where Cisco is and Cisco goes over to get some water. 32:40.007 --> 32:50.156 [SPEAKER_01]: He leans on the calm in the panel door opens up and you know, we see actually we see that the system is offline, but Cisco doesn't see it. 32:50.356 --> 32:50.857 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're like, 32:52.238 --> 32:57.802 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco look around the corner because he doesn't see that that Oh, he doesn't see that this point. 32:58.082 --> 32:59.103 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that point. 32:59.143 --> 32:59.584 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 32:59.604 --> 33:00.404 [SPEAKER_01]: But first, right. 33:00.424 --> 33:00.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 33:01.165 --> 33:08.190 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we go back to Duca talking to Demar and Duca to say, I'm tempted to kill him. 33:08.210 --> 33:09.431 [SPEAKER_01]: I see your point. 33:09.451 --> 33:10.232 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very tempting. 33:10.752 --> 33:14.134 [SPEAKER_01]: We come back to the cavern and now Cisco goes to 33:15.075 --> 33:20.542 [SPEAKER_01]: He notices that the door fell open and goes to shut it, checks the panel and sees that it's 33:23.456 --> 33:46.110 [SPEAKER_00]: awful right so that distress signal is not being sent nope at all here's my problem yes it's Cisco why doesn't he immediately go to double check this thing and because it's a it's a generic stress signal yeah with the intention to change it to the federation 33:50.980 --> 33:53.864 [SPEAKER_01]: Why isn't he taking advantage of this moment right now? 33:54.245 --> 33:58.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Why would he trust, but why would he trust you? 33:58.471 --> 33:59.273 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he does. 33:59.313 --> 34:00.054 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he tests. 34:00.114 --> 34:00.455 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 34:00.935 --> 34:02.017 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he thinks through. 34:02.418 --> 34:03.519 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to fix this. 34:04.160 --> 34:05.682 [SPEAKER_01]: But I need to know if he's going to be 34:06.550 --> 34:14.697 [SPEAKER_00]: But the first impulse should be, I'm going to switch it to the Federation, so I know who's coming to look for us. 34:14.957 --> 34:17.740 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's got to get a tool and break the fork and do all the parts. 34:18.080 --> 34:22.164 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true, but it's not the first thing he does when Dacott leaves. 34:22.664 --> 34:22.945 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 34:23.285 --> 34:30.431 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem I'm having, just thinking in my head character DAX, same situation, first thing she would do, 34:31.332 --> 34:33.775 [SPEAKER_00]: would not be have a sip of water and do this. 34:33.815 --> 34:39.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Why, I feel like, I thought he felt like, oh, I've discovered something. 34:39.842 --> 34:40.203 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 34:40.223 --> 34:41.645 [SPEAKER_01]: What do I do with this information? 34:41.685 --> 34:43.206 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have much time right now. 34:43.247 --> 34:43.447 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:43.467 --> 34:44.969 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to think about what to do. 34:45.229 --> 34:46.751 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, let me think for a second. 34:46.891 --> 34:47.251 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 34:47.291 --> 34:47.712 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 34:47.852 --> 34:49.893 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he knows the cost is going to return at any moment. 34:49.953 --> 34:56.474 [SPEAKER_02]: So he can't actually start doing the work to say, let me put this on a frequency that's Starfleet only can hear Let me think about how to do this. 34:56.494 --> 34:57.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how to talk to me. 34:57.394 --> 35:00.635 [SPEAKER_00]: So double check to make sure that Yeah, do caught either. 35:00.655 --> 35:01.055 [SPEAKER_00]: I think right. 35:01.075 --> 35:01.975 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, either do caught lied. 35:01.995 --> 35:02.476 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 35:02.496 --> 35:02.996 [SPEAKER_00]: The next scene. 35:03.016 --> 35:11.258 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, when he does do something, but it's Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 35:12.438 --> 35:23.120 [SPEAKER_01]: But in this moment, he's only two thoughts, I think, are, okay, either DuCott is lying to me about this thing being working and that he fixed it. 35:24.210 --> 35:27.491 [SPEAKER_01]: And if he's lying, then I really can't trust him with anything. 35:27.891 --> 35:29.811 [SPEAKER_01]: Or he's not lying to me. 35:29.831 --> 35:31.132 [SPEAKER_01]: He fixed it and it's off. 35:31.212 --> 35:33.252 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he just needs to check it and re-fix it. 35:33.332 --> 35:35.092 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to tell you how do I test him? 35:35.152 --> 35:35.813 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do I test? 35:35.833 --> 35:36.793 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how do I test? 35:36.813 --> 35:37.773 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course. 35:38.013 --> 35:45.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was jumping to the other's name because it was also trying to find out how long you guys keep doing. 35:45.315 --> 35:50.236 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to look and see how much rations they have because I don't know why that's bothering me so much. 35:50.956 --> 35:52.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, well, go back and look for that. 35:53.019 --> 35:54.020 [SPEAKER_02]: We can wait seriously. 35:54.440 --> 35:58.045 [SPEAKER_00]: We have an afield rations to last us a few weeks. 35:59.209 --> 36:01.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a long time. 36:01.290 --> 36:03.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's what I was talking about. 36:03.190 --> 36:04.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Not a few days if you know. 36:04.930 --> 36:06.011 [SPEAKER_00]: So why are they drinking? 36:07.091 --> 36:10.092 [SPEAKER_00]: Leafs and water soup when soup and rabbit tracks. 36:10.732 --> 36:11.592 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 36:11.732 --> 36:12.112 [SPEAKER_02]: True. 36:12.752 --> 36:13.853 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got field rations. 36:13.873 --> 36:15.213 [SPEAKER_02]: You could be eating with the heck. 36:15.873 --> 36:16.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 36:16.713 --> 36:20.174 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet we don't eat any field rations during this period of time. 36:20.194 --> 36:22.115 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I never see field rations. 36:22.175 --> 36:25.595 [SPEAKER_02]: But see now that kind of falls into Robbie's thought that he's being poisoned by the 36:28.656 --> 36:36.880 [SPEAKER_00]: But then also, why doesn't Cisco, I think it's a whole ladies and gentlemen. 36:37.020 --> 36:37.921 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a whole. 36:37.981 --> 36:38.961 [SPEAKER_01]: A whole in the script. 36:39.241 --> 36:40.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 36:40.462 --> 36:40.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 36:41.002 --> 36:45.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when we cut back Cisco decides he's going to think about what to do. 36:45.785 --> 36:50.067 [SPEAKER_01]: We cut back to DeCott and Demar, but this time Demar's not there. 36:50.627 --> 36:51.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Where do you go? 36:52.068 --> 36:57.090 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a figment of of due-cauts imagination of figment. 36:57.110 --> 36:58.350 [SPEAKER_00]: So now it's confirmed. 36:58.710 --> 36:59.811 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, yep. 37:00.951 --> 37:06.233 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, well, a fall three of us do it for the time being. 37:06.314 --> 37:07.234 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I've been at three. 37:08.843 --> 37:09.103 [SPEAKER_02]: Mmm. 37:10.504 --> 37:10.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice. 37:11.325 --> 37:12.686 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're back in the cave. 37:12.707 --> 37:13.848 [SPEAKER_01]: Do caught returns. 37:14.008 --> 37:20.054 [SPEAKER_01]: He sees Cisco laying down on the floor and Cisco acts like he can't move like he's trying to get some water. 37:20.074 --> 37:24.238 [SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of over dramatically acting kind of like the face of the making. 37:24.638 --> 37:25.199 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right. 37:25.279 --> 37:26.180 [SPEAKER_00]: It was that kind of 37:26.960 --> 37:30.242 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I can't get one out of myself. 37:30.662 --> 37:31.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm thorough. 37:31.882 --> 37:34.943 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and I don't want to go to school because I have a test. 37:35.544 --> 37:36.524 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 37:37.604 --> 37:37.884 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 37:37.925 --> 37:39.145 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's water. 37:39.265 --> 37:43.867 [SPEAKER_01]: It gets into cod is very nice, gets in some water. 37:44.107 --> 37:47.448 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Cisco says, I think the calm system was beeping. 37:47.488 --> 37:48.609 [SPEAKER_01]: You should check on that. 37:48.909 --> 37:49.149 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 37:49.609 --> 37:50.649 [SPEAKER_01]: And do cod does. 37:51.090 --> 37:52.010 [SPEAKER_01]: First doesn't want to do it. 37:52.030 --> 37:54.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's fine because no, I think you should check on it. 37:54.711 --> 38:00.382 [SPEAKER_01]: So Ducacos pretends to look at it, look inside and shut the door and says, no, it's fine. 38:00.402 --> 38:01.424 [SPEAKER_01]: It's working just fine. 38:01.444 --> 38:02.005 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 38:02.446 --> 38:05.491 [SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco's like, that's all I wanted to know. 38:06.620 --> 38:20.806 [SPEAKER_02]: Which telegraphs I know that's but yeah, but that telegraph is what you were trying to say I think it does telegraph it he should he should have said oh, okay great instead of saying that's all a little less been on it for us. 38:20.886 --> 38:22.786 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thank you. 38:23.146 --> 38:30.869 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now you're lying And now you know I know you know, we got to tell you yes. 38:31.230 --> 38:32.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree 38:32.638 --> 38:39.062 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we get a little space shot and Worf says they've got 12 hours left before they have to go do that. 38:39.462 --> 38:43.045 [SPEAKER_01]: Escort job and they've picked up a few survivors. 38:43.285 --> 38:46.647 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they picked up 12 survivors and they have 12 hours. 38:46.707 --> 38:48.788 [SPEAKER_01]: So the writers really love the number 12. 38:48.808 --> 38:49.249 [SPEAKER_01]: They do. 38:49.809 --> 38:52.974 [SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the cavern, Cisco's working on the calm. 38:53.414 --> 38:54.616 [SPEAKER_01]: He's using this fork. 38:55.157 --> 38:58.943 [SPEAKER_01]: He breaks off this thing, you know, it's hard. 38:59.263 --> 39:01.627 [SPEAKER_01]: He breaks the metal off, Robbie? 39:01.647 --> 39:02.308 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine. 39:02.548 --> 39:04.671 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of, isn't it called a time? 39:05.692 --> 39:10.933 [SPEAKER_01]: on a foretong, maybe a time, tongue time, yeah, but whatever, it's a tooth. 39:11.433 --> 39:13.594 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, wait a second though, wait a second. 39:14.114 --> 39:16.835 [SPEAKER_00]: We find out, yes, exactly, it's metal. 39:16.955 --> 39:21.696 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a bent, yes, broken off without it. 39:22.136 --> 39:22.796 [SPEAKER_00]: With what? 39:22.816 --> 39:24.036 [SPEAKER_00]: His bare hand. 39:24.096 --> 39:25.597 [SPEAKER_01]: With his teeth, what do he do? 39:25.777 --> 39:27.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, by the way, yeah. 39:27.617 --> 39:32.958 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't need to break it off, because when you hear me, he literally just pushes this thing 39:35.859 --> 39:45.086 [SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't you have to break off a piece just to find something that he couldn't I get that he might need to bend it to get it in there Right, he didn't even need to do that. 39:45.126 --> 39:48.348 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're saying he could just put one edge of it and move the thing. 39:48.488 --> 39:49.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally. 39:49.589 --> 39:51.110 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 39:51.290 --> 39:54.312 [SPEAKER_01]: It should have been a little more complex whatever he needed 39:54.672 --> 39:57.354 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, break that thing off or bend it or whatever. 39:57.494 --> 40:07.240 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the thought process was this if he didn't break it off and he's just using the fork if if to caught walks in he's going to see the big old fork in his hand. 40:07.300 --> 40:11.123 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's thinking if I make it little if I get caught man, I did easy. 40:11.443 --> 40:11.963 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 40:12.023 --> 40:12.583 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 40:12.663 --> 40:16.504 [SPEAKER_00]: I had no bent fork, could it behind you under the blanket? 40:16.764 --> 40:16.984 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 40:17.004 --> 40:19.625 [SPEAKER_00]: So you have it as a weapon for Peter too. 40:19.805 --> 40:22.446 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, I don't mean I don't even think a human being. 40:22.726 --> 40:25.106 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not. 40:25.166 --> 40:26.527 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what's happening here? 40:29.047 --> 40:30.608 [SPEAKER_02]: No human being can break off. 40:31.068 --> 40:32.388 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I challenge even this. 40:32.488 --> 40:34.128 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because you're a man in the world. 40:34.168 --> 40:36.949 [SPEAKER_01]: Back and forth a lot and done a week in the metal. 40:37.029 --> 40:37.209 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 40:41.597 --> 40:42.077 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 40:42.177 --> 40:44.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Holy cow, we're doing that part. 40:44.958 --> 40:45.298 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 40:45.358 --> 40:46.019 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 40:46.239 --> 40:48.159 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that Xander? 40:49.520 --> 40:53.601 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how that would make a metal thing, but it just sounded like a good word to use. 40:53.861 --> 41:04.105 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing that's very funny in the scene after he uses that fork improperly, by the way, as we've discussed, he does wait for second doesn't work in any bands that, like the classic sort of... 41:05.045 --> 41:08.987 [SPEAKER_02]: Like just it should be yeah, yeah, and then we're a bit of course. 41:09.007 --> 41:11.788 [SPEAKER_02]: You mean the way the funds hits the jukebox and it starts. 41:11.808 --> 41:13.089 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly. 41:13.369 --> 41:15.069 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he hits he bangs it a little. 41:15.210 --> 41:19.832 [SPEAKER_01]: But we cut over to the defined bridge and Miles says commander I'm picking up a distress signal. 41:19.912 --> 41:29.776 [SPEAKER_01]: At this moment, we think they're picking up the distress signal that that that's just going just banged bro into working got to work. 41:29.796 --> 41:31.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but here's another problem. 41:31.657 --> 41:33.938 [SPEAKER_00]: Then we see two distress 41:34.790 --> 41:35.631 [SPEAKER_00]: He turned it on. 41:35.651 --> 41:51.146 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's a storytelling trope that they're cutting from the audience knowing, oh, Cisco got one working and then they cut to the ship going, hey, we found something and then later on they show us, oh, it wasn't what we thought. 41:51.486 --> 41:52.387 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a different one. 41:52.697 --> 42:04.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I understand that part of storytelling, but with the signals out in three pods, is this a different planet that we're on compared to where that pod was discovered? 42:05.244 --> 42:09.206 [SPEAKER_00]: How close is this plan? 42:09.226 --> 42:13.248 [SPEAKER_00]: God, come on, come on. 42:13.749 --> 42:14.869 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, Robby, you first. 42:19.432 --> 42:21.833 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, for a comedian, you're timing socks. 42:23.585 --> 42:33.092 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so there is a signal we cut back to the cavern and Cisco hears a noise, so he closes up the thing. 42:34.172 --> 42:39.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Turns around in his position and Dukkot's coming in with a couple of foam pads. 42:39.833 --> 42:43.954 [SPEAKER_01]: He's such a thoughtful and kind character. 42:44.014 --> 42:49.396 [SPEAKER_01]: Dukkot Dukkot says in the scene another long scene. 42:49.636 --> 42:54.357 [SPEAKER_01]: He says they're like two old friends here Asusko what he thinks 42:55.657 --> 43:19.308 [SPEAKER_00]: and uh... before he can answer curah appears also i would have liked the phone pads to have looked more like they came right out of the pod they were in the escape yeah i mean they look like they just picked them up at walmart you know what i mean they probably did they look like they came from some patio furniture honestly it looked like oh yeah 43:19.728 --> 43:25.691 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like if it were covered with silver or something, so it was like red and pulmonary. 43:25.851 --> 43:27.512 [SPEAKER_01]: See you like as gay. 43:27.652 --> 43:31.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you, I think Terfa was more off-home. 43:31.394 --> 43:31.694 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 43:31.854 --> 43:36.616 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was more of a comment that Walmart has reached every corner of the galaxy at this point. 43:37.536 --> 43:39.397 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it was direct delivery too. 43:39.497 --> 43:40.278 [SPEAKER_02]: It really was. 43:40.338 --> 43:41.138 [SPEAKER_02]: He just ordered it. 43:41.158 --> 43:42.579 [SPEAKER_02]: It became within ten minutes. 43:42.679 --> 43:43.339 [SPEAKER_02]: It was quick. 43:43.639 --> 43:45.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Ducat Asisco, you know, what do you think? 43:45.980 --> 43:47.361 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like two old friends, right? 43:49.672 --> 43:57.657 [SPEAKER_01]: his hallucination of Kira, and she's laughing, thinks that's hilarious, is Cisco agrees with her that you're a war criminal to cut. 43:58.018 --> 44:05.242 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she disappears, do kind of looks around, Cisco stays calm, he knows that something's weird. 44:05.542 --> 44:07.144 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very safe to Cisco. 44:07.184 --> 44:10.486 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really answer, he's very cautious in his answers. 44:11.066 --> 44:12.927 [SPEAKER_01]: So he goes, you know, I can't judge you. 44:13.908 --> 44:16.810 [SPEAKER_01]: You probably had good reasons that you did what you did. 44:17.917 --> 44:19.898 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Kira appears again. 44:19.978 --> 44:22.939 [SPEAKER_01]: She laughs hysterically, good reasons. 44:23.740 --> 44:24.640 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a murderer. 44:25.180 --> 44:26.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Ducak gets really agitated. 44:27.381 --> 44:29.963 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco tries to keep him calm here. 44:30.203 --> 44:36.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Cisco just says, let's pretend like the major's not even here, you know, just ignore her. 44:37.006 --> 44:37.326 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 44:37.886 --> 44:39.307 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just ignore her. 44:39.878 --> 44:40.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:40.498 --> 44:44.360 [SPEAKER_01]: So he knows he's hallucinating, let's just you and me talk. 44:44.600 --> 44:44.800 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:45.140 --> 44:46.981 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I thought you wanted to talk to me. 44:47.021 --> 44:47.981 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a man in Japan. 44:48.361 --> 44:48.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 44:49.321 --> 44:49.862 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 44:49.882 --> 44:52.303 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, mental mental mental health emergencies. 44:52.343 --> 44:53.283 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very calm. 44:54.889 --> 44:58.070 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, now we come back to the bridge to the divine bridge. 44:58.130 --> 45:00.431 [SPEAKER_01]: They do get a distress signal. 45:01.411 --> 45:02.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah. 45:02.252 --> 45:04.972 [SPEAKER_01]: And DAX as I'm picking up human life form. 45:05.052 --> 45:11.975 [SPEAKER_01]: So we think storytelling wise that we think they're picking up Cisco and, um, and to cut. 45:12.075 --> 45:12.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 45:13.790 --> 45:18.013 [SPEAKER_01]: back in the cave, Kira's laughing hysterically, finally to call it loses it. 45:18.074 --> 45:22.157 [SPEAKER_01]: He shoots at this invisible Kira right next to Cisco, by the way. 45:22.317 --> 45:29.283 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit of back and forth of the audience is supposed to think, oh, they're gonna beam them up just as DuCats going crazy. 45:29.943 --> 45:37.389 [SPEAKER_01]: But instead, they beam up some survivors that are, it's two women, one with a arm in a sling. 45:37.409 --> 45:37.750 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 45:37.790 --> 45:39.731 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who cares about them? 45:44.244 --> 45:45.905 [SPEAKER_00]: we don't even see their faces. 45:46.045 --> 45:47.766 [SPEAKER_00]: No one's even happy to see them. 45:48.386 --> 45:49.747 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of sad. 45:49.807 --> 45:50.708 [SPEAKER_01]: No one's like, I know. 45:51.208 --> 45:52.248 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank God you're alive. 45:52.288 --> 45:53.109 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not Cisco. 45:53.469 --> 45:54.890 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, they get about that. 45:55.210 --> 45:55.390 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 45:55.430 --> 45:56.291 [SPEAKER_00]: We're just moving on. 45:56.311 --> 45:58.032 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it just does. 45:59.052 --> 45:59.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. 46:00.213 --> 46:00.553 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. 46:00.573 --> 46:03.755 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not Cisco and Ducan. 46:04.235 --> 46:05.256 [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been funny. 46:05.616 --> 46:08.277 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, she does have her arm in a sling just like, 46:12.123 --> 46:14.386 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think she just got, I don't know. 46:14.406 --> 46:15.687 [SPEAKER_02]: She got the deep version. 46:15.948 --> 46:17.350 [SPEAKER_00]: She got the deep version. 46:17.650 --> 46:19.412 [SPEAKER_02]: They got the deeper. 46:19.933 --> 46:24.518 [SPEAKER_02]: I do find it interesting that there's all these different hallucinations. 46:24.718 --> 46:27.161 [SPEAKER_02]: But halluca, Kara, that's hallucination, Kara. 46:27.442 --> 46:30.425 [SPEAKER_02]: halluca, Kara is extremely posy. 46:31.006 --> 46:58.439 [SPEAKER_02]: she's posing like these interesting just I don't it just reminded me of the busier episode when she was the the Russian agent you know just she's a dancer he is it she kind of naturally not kind of poses often I really say I would say yes I would say why it's just her physicality is a little get it refined and posy it was extra posy for me in this episode which I it just to me it was interesting 46:58.759 --> 47:07.024 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think also I would imagine her because she's a hallucination she can be an exaggerated Yeah, she can be. 47:07.044 --> 47:07.804 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she can be. 47:07.824 --> 47:09.065 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's really curious. 47:09.145 --> 47:09.445 [SPEAKER_00]: She's. 47:10.026 --> 47:10.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 47:10.826 --> 47:17.050 [SPEAKER_00]: She's the version that DuCott likes and he tracked it all over with thank you. 47:17.310 --> 47:17.650 [SPEAKER_00]: Right? 47:17.950 --> 47:18.691 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes. 47:18.831 --> 47:19.231 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of. 47:19.651 --> 47:19.991 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 47:20.371 --> 47:23.914 [SPEAKER_02]: So Halusa Kira is doing all the moves that DuCott loves. 47:24.054 --> 47:24.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 47:24.334 --> 47:24.734 [SPEAKER_02]: I got it. 47:24.914 --> 47:27.175 [SPEAKER_02]: It is his version. 47:27.195 --> 47:28.235 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and he loves it. 47:28.355 --> 47:29.916 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that makes perfect sense. 47:29.976 --> 47:31.496 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, tear fair. 47:31.737 --> 47:36.238 [SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the cavern to caught spots something on the ground. 47:36.278 --> 47:46.102 [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of digs Under the blanket and the dirt there and he finds a fork That broken fork with a missing 47:46.577 --> 47:47.137 [SPEAKER_01]: What's it called? 47:47.158 --> 47:48.879 [SPEAKER_01]: The tongue, twang, twang, twang. 47:49.399 --> 47:51.021 [SPEAKER_00]: Tong, you said, right? 47:51.041 --> 47:55.224 [SPEAKER_00]: It's called a tine, or a prong. 47:55.244 --> 47:55.584 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 47:55.745 --> 47:57.446 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the tines is missing. 47:57.486 --> 47:57.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 47:57.826 --> 47:58.787 [SPEAKER_01]: Ducaut says that. 47:59.087 --> 48:02.010 [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly was this day old when I realized that's what it's called. 48:02.030 --> 48:03.871 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never known that it's called a time. 48:04.071 --> 48:11.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Ducaut finds the time, or the, or the timeless fork, or missing a time. 48:12.298 --> 48:32.619 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the fork missing a time and he figures it all out says go was doing something sneaky And shoots at the calm destroys it phasers the thing and then back on the bridge Daxes I got a quick signal, but then it disappeared She goes 48:36.322 --> 48:48.648 [SPEAKER_01]: And we cut back to the cavern where Ducada just really upset feels betrayed and he takes this metal bar or something and you hear, we just go out on the act with the crashing of metal. 48:49.969 --> 48:52.210 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was, was he hitting the 48:52.909 --> 48:56.794 [SPEAKER_01]: The calm thing or was he hitting the cast? 48:57.115 --> 48:59.338 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a missing scene for me. 48:59.418 --> 49:00.940 [SPEAKER_00]: We should have seen the fight. 49:00.980 --> 49:01.180 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 49:01.260 --> 49:04.464 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the argument should have ensued during the fight. 49:05.345 --> 49:09.271 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the fight ends because it gets so intense in the conversation. 49:09.691 --> 49:10.191 [SPEAKER_02]: interesting. 49:10.451 --> 49:11.052 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have been fun. 49:11.332 --> 49:16.934 [SPEAKER_02]: I do like when he does discover the timeless fork that when he picks up the phaser it looks like he's about to shoot Cisco. 49:17.014 --> 49:22.997 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was played very well and then he shoots the, you know, the unit, the, the, the, the, the piece of the, yeah. 49:23.017 --> 49:25.498 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he hasn't gotten Cisco to respect him yet. 49:25.518 --> 49:26.159 [SPEAKER_00]: So we can't, that's right. 49:26.179 --> 49:26.739 [SPEAKER_00]: He can't kill them. 49:26.759 --> 49:27.459 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly get this right. 49:27.479 --> 49:28.400 [SPEAKER_00]: Cisco's respect. 49:28.460 --> 49:28.960 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 49:29.419 --> 49:29.659 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 49:29.960 --> 49:35.606 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we cut up to the bridge and deviant and Worf is trying to call Kira, but it's all breaking up. 49:35.646 --> 49:37.568 [SPEAKER_01]: He, they can't really hear each other. 49:38.950 --> 49:41.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Worf says we've been a little delayed. 49:41.292 --> 49:45.777 [SPEAKER_01]: We just need a few more hours and then Kira's all big or big, big, big, big tech now. 49:46.118 --> 49:46.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 49:46.558 --> 49:46.879 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that. 49:47.712 --> 49:57.062 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the transmission drops out they all discuss did we understand could anybody understand but she seems to be on the we didn't hear a word of what she said team. 49:57.562 --> 49:57.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 49:58.503 --> 50:00.385 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll sort of play something with it. 50:00.525 --> 50:01.266 [SPEAKER_00]: No judge. 50:02.687 --> 50:10.215 [SPEAKER_01]: Dax is like we know what she was saying like Dax is pretty straight she or she's like she was saying you got to go through your job. 50:10.402 --> 50:17.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and reminding them and not to forget that, or if it's Captain right now. 50:17.654 --> 50:18.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 50:18.635 --> 50:20.318 [SPEAKER_00]: My husband is Captain and you. 50:20.338 --> 50:20.438 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 50:22.321 --> 50:24.244 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not married yet, we haven't. 50:25.103 --> 50:28.127 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you know, you're cordially invited. 50:28.147 --> 50:29.288 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember that episode. 50:29.749 --> 50:34.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I forgot that little episode. 50:34.434 --> 50:41.103 [SPEAKER_02]: To have a, your makeup looked really good in this episode, by the way, and 50:41.583 --> 50:42.644 [SPEAKER_00]: It just, it did. 50:42.904 --> 50:43.925 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought so too. 50:44.265 --> 50:47.588 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if Karen Iverson did my makeup that day. 50:48.329 --> 50:57.696 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because it was, at this time there were times when Michael Westmore could not do my makeup and and it all happened because he got really sick once. 50:58.477 --> 51:02.620 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and like he had to come in and like he was so sick putting my spots on. 51:02.760 --> 51:07.664 [SPEAKER_00]: So he trained Karen Westerfield and Karen Iverson. 51:08.064 --> 51:08.305 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 51:09.486 --> 51:12.790 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think Karen Westerfield did it the first time. 51:12.830 --> 51:15.994 [SPEAKER_00]: But Karen Iverson was my makeup person. 51:16.755 --> 51:17.136 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 51:17.897 --> 51:18.818 [SPEAKER_00]: Turned into my makeup. 51:18.898 --> 51:24.746 [SPEAKER_00]: Guess I obviously needed somebody on the set to watch me after Michael Westmore did my makeup. 51:25.026 --> 51:25.567 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah. 51:26.207 --> 51:33.110 [SPEAKER_00]: Then once she knew how to do my spots and felt confident, then she ended up doing my makeup and my spots for a while. 51:33.250 --> 51:38.471 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when Michael was really doing, Kate at the same time, I needed to be done. 51:39.872 --> 51:43.893 [SPEAKER_00]: It helped production a lot rather than them having to wait for me. 51:44.153 --> 51:48.495 [SPEAKER_02]: So he trained both Karen's to do your spots, so both Karen's at one point, we're able to do that. 51:48.635 --> 51:50.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Carrot, Westerfield, did it once. 51:50.456 --> 51:53.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Carrot, Westerfield was good with prosthetics and things like that. 51:53.878 --> 51:54.959 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was armin's. 51:55.239 --> 51:58.401 [SPEAKER_00]: We left off at Kira and the transmission. 51:58.782 --> 51:59.002 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 51:59.262 --> 52:02.604 [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, you know, I could understand what she was trying to say. 52:02.884 --> 52:06.747 [SPEAKER_01]: DAX could understand it, but Bashir kind of crosses a line. 52:06.787 --> 52:12.271 [SPEAKER_02]: Bashir says, you will forgive me if I don't consider your honor to be worth Captain Cisco's life, which is very rude. 52:12.611 --> 52:13.832 [SPEAKER_02]: Very, very, yes it is. 52:14.552 --> 52:14.852 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 52:17.873 --> 52:18.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Get out of here. 52:18.834 --> 52:23.198 [SPEAKER_00]: Get out of here, Dr. And he actually says it very composed. 52:23.859 --> 52:24.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he does. 52:25.200 --> 52:25.941 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the captain. 52:26.361 --> 52:29.424 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're dishonoring me. 52:29.705 --> 52:30.405 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 52:30.746 --> 52:31.787 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think he should have said it. 52:31.847 --> 52:33.529 [SPEAKER_02]: You might leave the red doctor. 52:33.729 --> 52:34.610 [SPEAKER_02]: Is what he should have said. 52:34.810 --> 52:35.871 [SPEAKER_02]: He's on the right here. 52:35.991 --> 52:38.654 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, he's on the right here. 52:40.453 --> 52:43.494 [SPEAKER_01]: ah, um, they had for the third planet. 52:43.514 --> 52:47.056 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess they're still, they're not heading to the rendezvous. 52:47.136 --> 52:48.556 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that's in battle. 52:49.156 --> 52:50.297 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're still searching. 52:50.357 --> 52:52.558 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're still possibly close by. 52:52.778 --> 52:54.298 [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to eat out every second. 52:54.318 --> 52:55.799 [SPEAKER_00]: They can't look for Cisco. 52:55.839 --> 53:00.961 [SPEAKER_01]: I think basically is it back in the cave Cisco is looks bad now. 53:00.981 --> 53:04.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I know he was lit a little bit better. 53:04.982 --> 53:06.823 [SPEAKER_00]: So we could see a little more of the damage. 53:07.403 --> 53:07.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:07.923 --> 53:08.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:08.163 --> 53:08.343 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:08.403 --> 53:08.583 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:08.603 --> 53:09.643 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very dark. 53:10.124 --> 53:12.664 [SPEAKER_01]: Hard to tell if he beat Cisco up. 53:12.744 --> 53:13.644 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he did. 53:13.684 --> 53:15.285 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what's implied there. 53:15.545 --> 53:23.186 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I said what I said before we got to this point that if they had had the fight, seen some of that. 53:23.446 --> 53:23.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 53:23.786 --> 53:24.507 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 53:25.547 --> 53:30.768 [SPEAKER_00]: Which also would be good for us because we would be like, oh my God, Cisco, he ain't, you know what I mean? 53:31.460 --> 53:31.680 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 53:31.700 --> 53:34.602 [SPEAKER_02]: But the stage directions, that's already in the script, right? 53:34.642 --> 53:37.063 [SPEAKER_02]: Robbie, where it says, Decaught is cleaning blood from the metal pipe. 53:37.103 --> 53:38.723 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we actually see that moment? 53:38.743 --> 53:38.863 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 53:38.883 --> 53:41.505 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that, you see, it opens on the pipe. 53:41.865 --> 53:42.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 53:42.705 --> 53:45.166 [SPEAKER_00]: It opens on the bloody pipe and Decaught is cleaning it. 53:45.266 --> 53:45.527 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 53:45.547 --> 53:45.747 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 53:46.027 --> 53:51.029 [SPEAKER_00]: So you know that, but it's sort of a, we usually have fight scenes. 53:51.089 --> 53:52.710 [SPEAKER_00]: And if we're in a bottle next show, 53:53.350 --> 54:08.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not we come back from this beat beat up that Cisco's had and Cisco finally loses it finally stops being Trying to keep do caught calm and he's just like He loses it. 54:08.963 --> 54:13.527 [SPEAKER_01]: He says he will never approve of what do caught did when he was running the station 54:14.698 --> 54:41.164 [SPEAKER_01]: um... and do caught says great i'm glad you're finally being honest no more waltz no more dancing around and pretending which is kind of you know is the title of the episode the waltz the dance that they've been playing with each other not being honest now they're both going to be hundred percent honest so Cisco kind of starts by playing the lawyer he's like true or false and he asked some of his questions true or false let's do this um 54:41.944 --> 54:45.266 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, as are you responsible for everything that happened. 54:45.606 --> 54:48.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, first he says, you were the prefect of Bay Jordan in the occupation. 54:48.808 --> 54:49.249 [SPEAKER_01]: True false. 54:49.589 --> 54:50.209 [SPEAKER_01]: Do caught true. 54:50.790 --> 54:53.031 [SPEAKER_01]: And you were responsible for everything that happened under your command. 54:53.051 --> 54:53.551 [SPEAKER_01]: True or false. 54:54.112 --> 54:54.932 [SPEAKER_01]: Do caught such true. 54:55.352 --> 54:59.675 [SPEAKER_01]: So that means you're responsible for the murder of over five million bejorns on your watch. 54:59.735 --> 55:00.235 [SPEAKER_01]: True or false. 55:00.616 --> 55:01.576 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where Dr. Kakos. 55:01.656 --> 55:01.856 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope. 55:02.697 --> 55:03.057 [SPEAKER_01]: False. 55:04.058 --> 55:04.378 [SPEAKER_01]: False. 55:04.538 --> 55:06.780 [SPEAKER_01]: And he goes into his whole excuse about 55:07.600 --> 55:26.476 [SPEAKER_01]: you know how this this occupation had happened before he got there it was much worse before he got there and he wanted the situation resolved he wanted to reorganize the camps and and he abolished child labor and medical care was improved and all he goes on the list of all the good things he did right 55:27.365 --> 55:29.386 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that was a new piece of information. 55:29.406 --> 55:34.448 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that he says the occupation has been going on for almost 40 years before he showed up. 55:34.588 --> 55:35.429 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that right. 55:35.489 --> 55:35.729 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 55:35.769 --> 55:37.570 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a long time. 55:38.270 --> 55:38.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 55:38.770 --> 55:40.431 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes through the whole history. 55:40.531 --> 55:43.232 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically his version is that he's a good guy. 55:43.592 --> 55:43.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 55:43.932 --> 55:45.533 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a really good guy. 55:45.713 --> 55:45.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 55:45.993 --> 55:46.333 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 55:46.714 --> 55:52.136 [SPEAKER_02]: And that superiors were the ones said you must kill kill kill and he's trying to reduce the number of killing. 55:52.276 --> 56:01.144 [SPEAKER_00]: He blames the Bajorans for attacking them, and then of course they have to kill the Bajorans, but he's blaming it on the Bajorans. 56:02.085 --> 56:04.648 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he ultimately, yes, he blames it all. 56:04.688 --> 56:06.409 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, look at all the good I was doing. 56:06.429 --> 56:07.911 [SPEAKER_01]: It was much worse before I got there. 56:08.031 --> 56:08.692 [SPEAKER_01]: I made it better. 56:08.912 --> 56:12.435 [SPEAKER_01]: And then even when I made it better, they still bomb us. 56:12.695 --> 56:15.999 [SPEAKER_01]: So we had to kill the equal amount, because that's justice, that's not. 56:16.846 --> 56:18.527 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not being a bad guy. 56:18.547 --> 56:19.968 [SPEAKER_01]: 200 for 200 fair. 56:20.208 --> 56:20.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 56:20.548 --> 56:24.871 [SPEAKER_00]: Like why couldn't they calm down after I did these nice things for them? 56:24.931 --> 56:25.151 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 56:25.352 --> 56:25.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 56:25.912 --> 56:27.633 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes even further. 56:27.733 --> 56:28.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he loses it. 56:28.874 --> 56:32.896 [SPEAKER_01]: And Kira arrives in wayune and tomorrow arrive imaginary versions. 56:32.936 --> 56:34.117 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, he'll lose it here. 56:34.337 --> 56:35.178 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah. 56:35.338 --> 56:37.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Ducat says, can you hear them? 56:37.800 --> 56:39.981 [SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco's response is, I'm paying believe me. 56:40.001 --> 56:41.642 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm paying attention to everything. 56:46.347 --> 56:46.647 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 56:46.827 --> 56:51.049 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where Dukak gets into how he was the superior race. 56:51.629 --> 56:52.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 56:52.989 --> 56:56.490 [SPEAKER_02]: Where it just gets really ugly. 56:56.571 --> 56:56.811 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 56:56.831 --> 57:02.813 [SPEAKER_01]: He admits he hated this, the Bajorans hated the Bajorans that he was a superior race. 57:04.153 --> 57:08.995 [SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco finally smiles and knows that Dukak is being very honest now. 57:09.775 --> 57:16.178 [SPEAKER_01]: and this is when Cisco walks up behind him, knocks him out with a pipe that he got beaten with. 57:17.278 --> 57:18.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, does that what it was? 57:18.759 --> 57:21.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought he picked a rock up, but you know, it's so dark in that cave. 57:21.940 --> 57:22.701 [SPEAKER_02]: It was very dark. 57:22.961 --> 57:26.943 [SPEAKER_00]: And I should have, have killed every last one of them. 57:27.063 --> 57:32.845 [SPEAKER_00]: I should have turned their planet into a graveyard, the likes of which the galaxy had never seen. 57:32.865 --> 57:34.326 [SPEAKER_00]: I should have killed them all. 57:34.786 --> 57:38.308 [SPEAKER_00]: a metal bar crush is down on his head and do cut false. 57:39.068 --> 57:42.789 [SPEAKER_00]: And Cisco says, and that's why you're not an evil man. 57:44.510 --> 57:46.251 [SPEAKER_01]: He says that very ironic. 57:46.271 --> 57:47.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why. 57:47.611 --> 57:53.774 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, long scene, big scene, huge scene from Mark Oymow. 57:53.954 --> 57:55.394 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, huge episode. 57:55.555 --> 58:00.256 [SPEAKER_01]: We cut up to the planet surface Cisco is trying to make his way out of the cave 58:01.983 --> 58:03.664 [SPEAKER_01]: Great practical effects, by the way. 58:03.744 --> 58:09.869 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the effects department with the wind, the lightning, dust, all of that was really great. 58:10.209 --> 58:15.393 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where DuCart should have been having the conversations with everyone, so that we would believe. 58:15.413 --> 58:17.194 [SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be here, yeah. 58:17.434 --> 58:17.735 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:18.535 --> 58:22.058 [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe watch him going through at least one time going through that tunnel. 58:22.585 --> 58:30.760 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, I have to to be arm insurance and have a little bit of a nitpick when he comes out on a planet surface and all those all the dust in his face. 58:31.161 --> 58:32.744 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no attempt to even. 58:33.716 --> 58:34.617 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying to black. 58:34.637 --> 58:36.238 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't block anything. 58:36.398 --> 58:38.180 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's still I don't know. 58:38.720 --> 58:40.501 [SPEAKER_02]: I get it on TV. 58:40.581 --> 58:40.942 [SPEAKER_02]: We want us. 58:41.022 --> 58:41.862 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to see your face. 58:41.922 --> 58:42.783 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to see your face. 58:42.823 --> 58:43.904 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that's part of it is. 58:43.924 --> 58:46.126 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I also got one broken arm. 58:46.466 --> 58:48.768 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just been beaten up. 58:48.828 --> 58:50.569 [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably just going. 58:51.550 --> 58:52.691 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like having to open. 58:52.771 --> 58:54.873 [SPEAKER_00]: You've lost your goggles in your swimming. 58:55.553 --> 58:55.853 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 58:56.174 --> 58:58.896 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you care if it's sung your eyes if it was for your life? 58:59.156 --> 58:59.476 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 58:59.496 --> 59:01.058 [SPEAKER_00]: Would that have been right for me? 59:01.198 --> 59:01.378 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 59:01.778 --> 59:02.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe. 59:02.598 --> 59:03.238 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes. 59:03.278 --> 59:06.579 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he goes out in this this rough weather. 59:06.680 --> 59:14.162 [SPEAKER_01]: He crosses into the shuttle with the ramp this down This is the old style shuttle, right? 59:14.202 --> 59:19.203 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but like we have to with the with the hatch door that comes down in the back. 59:19.323 --> 59:22.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's supposed to be a pod But that's not a pod. 59:22.524 --> 59:23.204 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a shuttle. 59:23.245 --> 59:24.605 [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's what's so confusing. 59:24.645 --> 59:28.186 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like they talk about three escape pods and also there's a 59:31.847 --> 59:32.988 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, very confusing. 59:33.789 --> 59:35.030 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it wasn't confusing. 59:35.931 --> 59:36.932 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the mistake. 59:41.536 --> 59:42.918 [SPEAKER_01]: It was an error. 59:43.598 --> 59:47.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he gets inside that he starts his Cisco's trying to get that 59:47.887 --> 59:58.017 [SPEAKER_01]: ramp door to come up and just as as it starts coming up do come up leaps inside jumps in with his messy hair. 59:58.217 --> 01:00:00.960 [SPEAKER_00]: I do want to say that was crazy too, right? 01:00:01.140 --> 01:00:02.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy man. 01:00:03.482 --> 01:00:03.882 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:00:04.022 --> 01:00:05.563 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like rock and roll. 01:00:05.583 --> 01:00:07.784 [SPEAKER_00]: It was hilarious. 01:00:08.064 --> 01:00:09.085 [SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of funny. 01:00:09.505 --> 01:00:09.845 [SPEAKER_00]: It was. 01:00:09.865 --> 01:00:11.286 [SPEAKER_01]: For dozens have a lot of hair. 01:00:11.306 --> 01:00:12.166 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't realize it. 01:00:12.186 --> 01:00:14.287 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all like combed down. 01:00:14.307 --> 01:00:15.328 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's a wig. 01:00:15.568 --> 01:00:16.909 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why you don't realize it. 01:00:16.929 --> 01:00:18.549 [SPEAKER_01]: When they do this. 01:00:18.629 --> 01:00:22.731 [SPEAKER_01]: When they get enough bite and then hairs out to here, it's crazy hair. 01:00:23.072 --> 01:00:25.793 [SPEAKER_00]: And dude, the man has a lot of product in his hair. 01:00:25.813 --> 01:00:26.753 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what? 01:00:26.773 --> 01:00:26.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:00:26.993 --> 01:00:27.894 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, it was stuck. 01:00:28.354 --> 01:00:29.955 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just kind of shocking. 01:00:30.295 --> 01:00:30.935 [SPEAKER_00]: What? 01:00:30.975 --> 01:00:31.516 [SPEAKER_00]: Why product? 01:00:31.536 --> 01:00:34.497 [SPEAKER_02]: Cadassians take their hair styles very seriously. 01:00:34.778 --> 01:00:38.320 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I keep, I mean, they've shown Cadassian women in the past. 01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:49.706 [SPEAKER_02]: And they have really long hair that's kind of curled up in very elaborate styles, but I think the men should have, they should have allowed the men to grow longer hair and just put it into some type of ponytail or something like that. 01:00:49.726 --> 01:00:53.248 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it just looks so weird with it cut, like a beige boy cut. 01:00:53.288 --> 01:00:54.348 [SPEAKER_02]: It's flying everywhere. 01:00:54.368 --> 01:00:55.649 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a part of the look. 01:00:56.270 --> 01:00:56.910 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the look. 01:00:58.240 --> 01:01:10.696 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he jumps inside, Ducaut does with his messy hair, and throws, throws, Cisco out of the pod, out of the ramp. 01:01:10.937 --> 01:01:11.678 [SPEAKER_01]: Strong guy. 01:01:11.858 --> 01:01:13.540 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, back on this surface. 01:01:15.202 --> 01:01:19.627 [SPEAKER_01]: He basically says, well, this was fun Benjamin, but we won't be seeing each other for a while. 01:01:19.687 --> 01:01:21.088 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got to get back to Bay Jor. 01:01:21.108 --> 01:01:22.389 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got to finish business. 01:01:24.171 --> 01:01:26.053 [SPEAKER_01]: And he finally claims his true feelings. 01:01:26.073 --> 01:01:26.614 [SPEAKER_01]: He's evil. 01:01:27.174 --> 01:01:29.617 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, from this day forward, Bay Jor is dead. 01:01:30.097 --> 01:01:30.778 [SPEAKER_01]: All of Bay Jor. 01:01:31.098 --> 01:01:31.739 [SPEAKER_01]: Every Bay Jor. 01:01:32.813 --> 01:01:35.114 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and this time, you won't be able to save them. 01:01:35.214 --> 01:01:38.576 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when he goes back in the shuttle, you see Duke Harka back in the shuttle. 01:01:38.596 --> 01:01:44.419 [SPEAKER_01]: And as the door is shutting, you see, there's Kira and Demar in way you and inside the shuttle. 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:45.239 [SPEAKER_01]: Imaginary. 01:01:45.259 --> 01:01:47.020 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:01:47.300 --> 01:01:48.540 [SPEAKER_00]: His group is with him. 01:01:48.741 --> 01:01:49.841 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that too. 01:01:50.161 --> 01:01:52.602 [SPEAKER_00]: Because he's in his reality now. 01:01:52.622 --> 01:01:52.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:01:53.263 --> 01:01:53.483 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:01:54.043 --> 01:01:56.064 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not questioning if they were really there. 01:01:56.204 --> 01:01:56.764 [SPEAKER_00]: They're there. 01:01:56.844 --> 01:01:57.605 [SPEAKER_02]: They're there. 01:01:57.625 --> 01:01:58.285 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a Kira. 01:01:58.325 --> 01:01:59.986 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a Demar and he'll listen to we 01:02:00.306 --> 01:02:08.811 [SPEAKER_01]: We come back to the ship fire and they're heading to a rendezvous, you know, for the sesquirt, Brian says he's picking up a signal from, from Duke hot. 01:02:09.432 --> 01:02:11.573 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking, why did Duke hot do that? 01:02:12.774 --> 01:02:14.194 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, that's weird. 01:02:14.355 --> 01:02:14.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it? 01:02:15.415 --> 01:02:19.478 [SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't he just let this is what I, this is what I, this is what I was having a problem with? 01:02:20.618 --> 01:02:21.559 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seems weird. 01:02:21.619 --> 01:02:24.421 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's almost like his ego is so big. 01:02:24.461 --> 01:02:26.282 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I'm going to send the emissary back. 01:02:26.322 --> 01:02:26.402 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 01:02:28.987 --> 01:02:29.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Kill them later. 01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:31.899 [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems like when I kill them now. 01:02:32.405 --> 01:02:32.885 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:02:33.825 --> 01:02:43.968 [SPEAKER_00]: I would think it would make more sense that the radar dacks picks up impulse engines, leaving the planet's surface. 01:02:44.348 --> 01:02:44.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 01:02:45.108 --> 01:02:46.468 [SPEAKER_00]: Say that, and then we have them. 01:02:46.748 --> 01:02:48.329 [SPEAKER_00]: It just would attract better, I think. 01:02:48.549 --> 01:02:57.571 [SPEAKER_00]: If we saw the impulse, we go down or we can see in it that it's only one person, but there's a person still on the planet. 01:02:57.991 --> 01:02:58.971 [SPEAKER_00]: There has to be a way to 01:03:02.972 --> 01:03:27.049 [SPEAKER_02]: Or if they said, I'm picking up bio readings, it's gold to caught and not, you know, I'm saying if they can say it was him, it's not human, it's not human, there you go, it's not human, there you go, I'm picking up very human on the planet, there you go, it's just one of those, okay, it's the end, we got to wrap it up and okay, don't everybody leave to go have a beer, let's like really make sure it works before we leave the room. 01:03:27.589 --> 01:03:27.870 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 01:03:28.647 --> 01:03:36.932 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they, uh, Worf's got a, um, Ships log where he says they rescued Cisco, but could not locate due caught shuttles. 01:03:37.092 --> 01:03:41.535 [SPEAKER_01]: So now they're heading to, uh, escort their convoy in the badlands. 01:03:42.397 --> 01:03:44.638 [SPEAKER_01]: and the captain is in sick bay on the defiance. 01:03:44.678 --> 01:03:47.539 [SPEAKER_01]: So we cut into sick bay in the medical bay. 01:03:47.859 --> 01:03:48.639 [SPEAKER_01]: He's recovering. 01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:52.220 [SPEAKER_01]: Looks like a board implant on his head that we heard thing. 01:03:52.380 --> 01:04:03.604 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, did they use extra from the last episode when they had the, um, vorta, you know, that, that the Frankie accidentally killed and they put all those things on. 01:04:03.664 --> 01:04:06.145 [SPEAKER_00]: It looked like maybe you look kind of like one of those. 01:04:06.545 --> 01:04:07.926 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll put two together. 01:04:08.266 --> 01:04:08.906 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what it was. 01:04:08.926 --> 01:04:09.527 [SPEAKER_02]: It was two together. 01:04:09.547 --> 01:04:13.349 [SPEAKER_02]: But that middle part looked like a tiny keyboard for a mouse to type on. 01:04:13.429 --> 01:04:17.451 [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of had a little look like some keys on there. 01:04:17.671 --> 01:04:20.773 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a little odd looking, but Cisco's got this thing on his head. 01:04:21.374 --> 01:04:23.775 [SPEAKER_01]: And we learned that Starfleet is looking for new costs. 01:04:23.795 --> 01:04:29.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Just go it is admits in the scene with Dax that, you know, the 01:04:29.903 --> 01:04:38.570 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything seems to be shades of gray sometimes, but if you spend enough time with a man like Dukaku realized that really is such a thing as true evil. 01:04:40.271 --> 01:04:47.296 [SPEAKER_01]: And his last line there is, I fear no evil from now on, it's him or me. 01:04:48.577 --> 01:04:55.082 [SPEAKER_01]: And his Cisco's head turns, like he's not looking at you for most of the scene, then he looks at you for pure evil. 01:04:59.856 --> 01:05:01.678 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very any shots size. 01:05:02.038 --> 01:05:04.200 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little theatrical for me. 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:09.105 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to be honest, it felt a little bit like, and I had loved Avery and Must be. 01:05:09.125 --> 01:05:09.585 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 01:05:10.126 --> 01:05:11.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost all the episode. 01:05:11.207 --> 01:05:14.090 [SPEAKER_01]: He was actually very grounded and real. 01:05:14.350 --> 01:05:15.391 [SPEAKER_00]: Very Avery. 01:05:15.431 --> 01:05:17.833 [SPEAKER_00]: So you feel like one is directed by Renee. 01:05:18.314 --> 01:05:19.395 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's interesting. 01:05:19.635 --> 01:05:21.657 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see him doing that often. 01:05:22.715 --> 01:05:30.121 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this felt very theatrical to me, yeah, yeah, probably would have been better for you that when he turned a camera on. 01:05:30.201 --> 01:05:31.022 [SPEAKER_02]: I fear no evil. 01:05:31.082 --> 01:05:36.005 [SPEAKER_01]: He just went, I don't even like the end of it. 01:05:36.105 --> 01:05:38.988 [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been really, yes, something like that would be my deal. 01:05:39.466 --> 01:05:42.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there we go, it's him or me, him or me. 01:05:43.128 --> 01:05:44.669 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Cisco or Ducat. 01:05:44.769 --> 01:05:47.390 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like now we've got the dominion wars. 01:05:48.070 --> 01:05:50.232 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got this whole Ducat. 01:05:50.532 --> 01:05:54.474 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna kill everybody, and then he's pure evil. 01:05:54.694 --> 01:05:54.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 01:05:55.795 --> 01:05:58.456 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus, don't much going on. 01:06:03.553 --> 01:06:06.516 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about themes, slash lessons, slash moral this episode. 01:06:06.536 --> 01:06:09.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, can start with tear fair, I guess. 01:06:09.659 --> 01:06:10.239 [SPEAKER_00]: You bet. 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:19.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, people tell you who they are, listen with both ears, and your eyes. 01:06:19.668 --> 01:06:21.930 [SPEAKER_00]: And your eyes, I mean, just listen. 01:06:21.970 --> 01:06:25.273 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that Maya Angelou, they tell you who they are. 01:06:25.693 --> 01:06:27.855 [SPEAKER_00]: He tells you over and over again who he is. 01:06:28.301 --> 01:06:30.702 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, great. 01:06:31.002 --> 01:06:31.362 [SPEAKER_02]: I like that. 01:06:31.382 --> 01:06:33.363 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to jump to robies and then I'm going to go last. 01:06:33.643 --> 01:06:36.985 [SPEAKER_01]: So mine is not everything is shades of gray. 01:06:37.045 --> 01:06:43.828 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that because I often have a tendency to go, well, I always want to make an excuse. 01:06:43.908 --> 01:06:55.433 [SPEAKER_01]: I always want to say, well, yes, you know, maybe, but maybe this or yeah, they did that thing that that, you know, I didn't like, but they had reasons or I'm always 01:06:56.037 --> 01:06:58.418 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's wonderful for people. 01:06:58.578 --> 01:07:00.960 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to keep my open mindedness. 01:07:01.460 --> 01:07:02.761 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm benefit of the doubt. 01:07:02.901 --> 01:07:03.921 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to echo that. 01:07:04.141 --> 01:07:05.822 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with yours better than mine. 01:07:05.862 --> 01:07:07.443 [SPEAKER_02]: I had a problem with this one. 01:07:07.463 --> 01:07:08.664 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what is it? 01:07:08.684 --> 01:07:12.165 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I kept thinking, should I just say PTSD is real? 01:07:12.186 --> 01:07:20.310 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because it just seemed like we're just watching this person to caught, just go deeper and deeper down this rabbit hole of. 01:07:21.130 --> 01:07:25.672 [SPEAKER_02]: of confusion and just yes, just everything just weighing upon him. 01:07:26.252 --> 01:07:28.073 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go with yours as well. 01:07:28.193 --> 01:07:30.154 [SPEAKER_02]: Not everything is okay, shade of shade of gray. 01:07:30.214 --> 01:07:31.394 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was really Cisco. 01:07:31.454 --> 01:07:32.194 [SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't mine. 01:07:32.755 --> 01:07:33.315 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true. 01:07:33.395 --> 01:07:34.115 [SPEAKER_01]: It is awesome. 01:07:34.555 --> 01:07:35.516 [SPEAKER_02]: It is still up from him. 01:07:35.816 --> 01:07:40.638 [SPEAKER_02]: Our Patreon poll winner for the themes last lessons last moral of this episode is submitted by Penidio. 01:07:40.978 --> 01:07:43.899 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is, everyone is a hero in their own mind. 01:07:44.579 --> 01:07:46.261 [SPEAKER_00]: history is written by the victors. 01:07:46.701 --> 01:08:00.036 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have honorable mention the moral submitted by Mark Lacy, a science fiction program set in the vastness of space must have many, many scenes in underground caves. 01:08:02.028 --> 01:08:02.828 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that is it. 01:08:03.168 --> 01:08:08.371 [SPEAKER_02]: We have come to the end of our podcast recap of this episode. 01:08:08.491 --> 01:08:10.291 [SPEAKER_02]: We want to thank Tehrfer as always. 01:08:10.331 --> 01:08:11.092 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Tehrfer. 01:08:11.872 --> 01:08:12.412 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Tehrfer. 01:08:12.432 --> 01:08:12.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Tehrfer. 01:08:13.052 --> 01:08:14.493 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, everybody for joining us. 01:08:14.553 --> 01:08:15.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 01:08:15.433 --> 01:08:24.377 [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, next time, join us next time when we will be recapping and discussing the episode who mourns for mourn with Armin Shimmerman. 01:08:24.999 --> 01:08:27.501 [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds like a fun one episode. 01:08:27.601 --> 01:08:31.183 [SPEAKER_02]: Who more, who more, who more, who more, so way? 01:08:31.203 --> 01:08:31.603 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:08:31.643 --> 01:08:32.584 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I don't know. 01:08:32.884 --> 01:08:33.865 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it is. 01:08:33.885 --> 01:08:35.105 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what that sounds like. 01:08:35.246 --> 01:08:37.067 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness. 01:08:37.587 --> 01:08:38.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not go there. 01:08:38.648 --> 01:08:39.368 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to talk to you. 01:08:39.388 --> 01:08:41.069 [SPEAKER_00]: He's on vacation and they just miss him. 01:08:41.209 --> 01:08:41.790 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, they good. 01:08:41.810 --> 01:08:42.330 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll go with that. 01:08:42.410 --> 01:08:42.750 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. 01:08:42.790 --> 01:08:43.591 [SPEAKER_02]: He's on rise up. 01:08:43.671 --> 01:08:45.432 [SPEAKER_02]: Finally, he gets to go to rise up for once. 01:08:45.632 --> 01:08:52.236 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. For all of our Patreon patrons, please stay tuned to your bonus material for everyone else. 01:08:52.276 --> 01:08:53.257 [SPEAKER_02]: We will see you next week.