WEBVTT 00:00.391 --> 00:02.953 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you have any issues with their automated service earlier? 00:03.853 --> 00:05.774 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what you're calling about honestly man. 00:07.956 --> 00:08.256 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello? 00:09.056 --> 00:11.338 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you receive a call earlier? 00:12.018 --> 00:13.119 [SPEAKER_00]: I did a lot of calls. 00:13.139 --> 00:16.461 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you were referring to. 00:17.261 --> 00:22.564 [SPEAKER_03]: So, the automated system should have set you or was, uh, there are five. 00:22.644 --> 00:25.406 [SPEAKER_03]: And the action that was taken out of your house, do you hear what? 00:26.647 --> 00:28.868 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I didn't get that call. 00:32.417 --> 00:37.501 [SPEAKER_03]: and just saying, well, show us your on record that you didn't back yet back home. 00:39.222 --> 00:39.943 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you want me to do? 00:42.204 --> 00:52.472 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, what we need to just go ahead and hear, uh, do hear, where you just want to send you a quick prompt, and so verify that it's you and we'll just get your account instead and secure. 00:53.953 --> 00:55.234 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, okay. 00:56.375 --> 00:57.056 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can do that. 00:57.116 --> 00:59.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, where do you want me to send the gift cards to? 00:59.117 --> 01:00.198 [SPEAKER_00]: We can just skip that whole part. 01:06.235 --> 01:26.827 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 01:27.547 --> 01:32.351 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he just like was like figuring out how to just spam call as he was going. 01:32.671 --> 01:33.032 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:33.072 --> 01:34.253 [SPEAKER_04]: Like none of that sounded. 01:34.273 --> 01:35.153 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't. 01:35.173 --> 01:36.034 [SPEAKER_00]: I was confused. 01:36.214 --> 01:41.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I find it funny because yeah, you're like he's like so talking about the call you got. 01:41.858 --> 01:43.279 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, I didn't get a call. 01:43.339 --> 01:44.320 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like what you should have. 01:44.340 --> 01:45.841 [SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't. 01:47.222 --> 01:49.444 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, well, you should have. 01:49.565 --> 01:56.271 [SPEAKER_00]: It was probably like a call with a security code that he wanted me to tell him to get access to my account or something. 01:56.311 --> 01:57.952 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, okay, I haven't gotten that. 01:57.972 --> 01:58.713 [SPEAKER_04]: What should I do next? 01:58.853 --> 02:04.218 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, well, our records show that you did get a call. 02:05.859 --> 02:06.520 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my god. 02:07.608 --> 02:10.909 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm, is it me or is that my body is not worth it? 02:10.929 --> 02:13.690 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if you get a call from Google, it would say Google. 02:13.910 --> 02:15.071 [SPEAKER_00]: Number one on the call ID. 02:16.271 --> 02:18.112 [SPEAKER_00]: Number two Google wouldn't call you and ask you for a code. 02:18.392 --> 02:19.092 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I know. 02:19.232 --> 02:19.952 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you know what? 02:20.632 --> 02:21.633 [SPEAKER_04]: Is your idea, Bork? 02:21.773 --> 02:22.433 [SPEAKER_04]: No, it was it. 02:23.793 --> 02:28.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it's just an audacity, the wave farm is really small. 02:29.499 --> 02:30.040 [SPEAKER_04]: That's fine. 02:30.060 --> 02:31.421 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not in the size of it. 02:31.441 --> 02:34.925 [SPEAKER_01]: I can just I'll just yell just raise your okay. 02:34.945 --> 02:36.666 [SPEAKER_01]: I think am I getting louder. 02:36.706 --> 02:37.227 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you are. 02:37.347 --> 02:38.508 [SPEAKER_01]: Am I getting louder? 02:39.489 --> 02:40.370 [SPEAKER_04]: You are getting louder. 02:40.390 --> 02:42.753 [SPEAKER_04]: I getting louder and hotter. 02:42.773 --> 02:43.553 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting louder. 02:43.573 --> 02:44.675 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I'm getting louder. 02:46.833 --> 02:47.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think that's better. 02:47.734 --> 02:53.418 [SPEAKER_01]: I think my cat walked on the table or something and child does the same thing. 02:53.438 --> 02:54.339 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. 02:54.439 --> 02:55.280 [SPEAKER_04]: He comes in there. 02:55.300 --> 02:57.241 [SPEAKER_01]: She has, she has thumbs. 02:57.261 --> 03:00.304 [SPEAKER_04]: She has thumbs and her brain is like getting way too big. 03:00.404 --> 03:07.029 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like not like she's really good at figuring out that she can do things. 03:07.069 --> 03:11.893 [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's no cohesion with the things being done, but like the light up buttons and stuff on the, oh yeah. 03:11.973 --> 03:13.134 [SPEAKER_00]: buttons switches. 03:13.194 --> 03:17.679 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and they make sounds too right because it's like the podcasting as the built in sound board. 03:18.140 --> 03:21.984 [SPEAKER_04]: And so it's I mean Jesus, what more do you want as a baby like the your brains. 03:22.024 --> 03:26.809 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think she likes the sound that the computer makes when you unplug a USB device. 03:26.829 --> 03:30.894 [SPEAKER_04]: When you shut when you pour like a bottle of water over to the top of the great to be here. 03:34.523 --> 03:36.465 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so what are we talking about today, gang? 03:36.845 --> 03:41.849 [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of feel like, I mean, there's a lot of just complaining, I love complaining, obviously. 03:41.869 --> 03:48.594 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, you guys know that, uh, about things just sort of getting worse like all the spam calls. 03:49.515 --> 03:52.637 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I tried to downgrade my internet service recently. 03:52.657 --> 03:53.978 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, do you know what? 03:54.118 --> 03:55.979 [SPEAKER_04]: I, uh, god. 03:56.880 --> 04:00.821 [SPEAKER_04]: I hate the government, but I also feel like I understand the point of the government, right? 04:01.062 --> 04:01.862 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I like the government. 04:01.882 --> 04:02.662 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I hate the government. 04:02.682 --> 04:04.323 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not like, I don't know where I'm going with this. 04:04.343 --> 04:13.846 [SPEAKER_04]: What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to say that when I signed up for my internet, like, I don't know, four years ago, they, it was like a decent price, but it was like 12 months. 04:13.866 --> 04:16.247 [SPEAKER_04]: They put you in autopay and then I looked at it the other day. 04:16.267 --> 04:18.588 [SPEAKER_04]: It was two gig fiber, and it was like $199 a month. 04:19.793 --> 04:20.233 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no. 04:20.533 --> 04:21.794 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, I'm on the same plan. 04:21.994 --> 04:22.895 [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking two gig. 04:23.295 --> 04:24.355 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you did the two gig? 04:24.415 --> 04:24.696 [SPEAKER_04]: I did. 04:25.116 --> 04:29.838 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, so I realized that like, you know, it is, I don't need to. 04:29.898 --> 04:30.579 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody needs to gig. 04:30.699 --> 04:31.459 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody needs to gig. 04:31.859 --> 04:32.600 [SPEAKER_04]: All you need is one. 04:32.960 --> 04:34.181 [SPEAKER_04]: And even that is overkill. 04:34.201 --> 04:35.801 [SPEAKER_04]: But like one gig is glorious. 04:36.322 --> 04:37.282 [SPEAKER_04]: It's everything. 04:37.302 --> 04:37.842 [SPEAKER_04]: You have three. 04:37.862 --> 04:41.444 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I would, I would pay for more if it wasn't $185 a month. 04:41.564 --> 04:43.966 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how I didn't realize that sooner. 04:44.746 --> 04:48.330 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I go to, I'm not canceling it. 04:48.350 --> 04:52.795 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just down to one to 85, 185 US dollars a month. 04:54.037 --> 04:56.239 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, with the fuck, right? 04:56.299 --> 04:56.620 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 04:57.201 --> 04:57.421 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 04:57.981 --> 04:59.243 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, minus what? 05:00.378 --> 05:05.061 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, because I just called to try to cancel something and they gave me a deal that made it better. 05:05.722 --> 05:10.746 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really make any sense, but I think I pay like 70 dollars. 05:10.766 --> 05:12.367 [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's what it used to be. 05:12.467 --> 05:15.729 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it used to be like a hundred or 120 or something. 05:15.849 --> 05:16.310 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 05:16.630 --> 05:19.912 [SPEAKER_05]: But when the fuck did it become a hundred and eighty five dollar a month? 05:19.992 --> 05:21.974 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you forget, because that's always in the fine print. 05:21.994 --> 05:23.094 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, oh, you're a new customer. 05:23.134 --> 05:26.197 [SPEAKER_05]: You get this introductory price and then 12 months later, like triples. 05:26.817 --> 05:36.948 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, I don't, I don't need it like what the reason I do like it is because every Friday night, I have to upload a YouTube video to the second channel. 05:37.288 --> 05:37.889 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 05:37.909 --> 05:41.212 [SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes they're like 20 gigs. 05:42.053 --> 05:46.658 [SPEAKER_04]: And when you have a really shitty internet connection, that fucking sucked. 05:46.718 --> 05:47.419 [SPEAKER_04]: It's horrible. 05:47.823 --> 05:52.127 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but here's the thing you never actually hit you can't do it. 05:52.307 --> 05:54.569 [SPEAKER_04]: No, exactly, which is why it's totally unnecessary. 05:54.629 --> 05:57.071 [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's two reasons why two gigas completely unnecessary. 05:57.591 --> 06:09.061 [SPEAKER_04]: One is the providers like the servers on the You'll never they'll never let you use your two is very few times I've ever seen, you know, like, like sometimes like video game updates and stuff will do that. 06:09.201 --> 06:11.123 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I remember Call of Duty would do that. 06:11.163 --> 06:11.463 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 06:12.003 --> 06:20.187 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but even uploading videos to YouTube, like you don't actually get the two gig, you'll get, you know, like a couple hundred megabits per second. 06:20.227 --> 06:20.487 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:20.787 --> 06:25.909 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, long story short, network equipment in your home can handle it. 06:27.250 --> 06:29.391 [SPEAKER_04]: And no service that you use can handle it. 06:29.471 --> 06:29.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:29.751 --> 06:38.875 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, if you got a steady 500 megabytes down, like with every, or make a bits with everything, that would be way better than like a spotty two gig connection. 06:39.355 --> 06:50.143 [SPEAKER_04]: And so, what they did, and this is what I, this is my whole, I guess my government complaining arc is I went to my service, I clicked the button, this is my service. 06:50.544 --> 06:58.630 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, I'm like, okay, let me, let me sign up for something that's not $185 a month, and do you know what the options were for my plan? 07:00.609 --> 07:17.113 [SPEAKER_04]: by more internet, by more internet that's right, the plans on the website were upgrade plans where I could go from two gigs, apparently up to five gigs, or seven gigs, and below that was a quiz you could take, and the quiz was, figure out what internet many. 07:17.533 --> 07:31.463 [SPEAKER_05]: And I was sitting there thinking to myself, what fucking answer did I possibly have for this stupid fucking website took you to convince me that I need to go from two gigs to five gigs. 07:31.803 --> 07:33.184 [SPEAKER_05]: Holy shit. 07:45.132 --> 07:47.533 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you have two hours to stream the movie. 07:47.553 --> 07:48.034 [SPEAKER_05]: Why the fuck? 07:48.054 --> 07:49.614 [SPEAKER_05]: You got to do it in 45 seconds. 07:49.635 --> 07:50.655 [SPEAKER_05]: Am I fucking crazy? 07:50.675 --> 07:53.497 [SPEAKER_05]: And you can't even get the movie that fast. 07:53.537 --> 07:56.078 [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody will delete it unless you're Pouring it. 07:56.478 --> 08:00.821 [SPEAKER_04]: I know it's it's like actually it made me so fucking mad. 08:00.861 --> 08:03.722 [SPEAKER_04]: I it took me like three days because it'd be like six p.m. 08:03.742 --> 08:05.463 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, all right, let's do this. 08:05.523 --> 08:06.864 [SPEAKER_04]: It's on my list of shit to do. 08:07.104 --> 08:07.364 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 08:07.444 --> 08:09.866 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the stupid AI chat bot would be like, 08:14.208 --> 08:16.289 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you, can you fuck, can you eat, can you fucks? 08:16.589 --> 08:17.330 [SPEAKER_04]: You two fuckers? 08:17.790 --> 08:18.851 [SPEAKER_04]: You pretend you're the chatbot. 08:18.871 --> 08:19.431 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you tell me? 08:19.451 --> 08:20.152 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm the customer. 08:20.192 --> 08:20.872 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm always wrong. 08:20.892 --> 08:22.873 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you tell me when I asked it downred, my internet? 08:22.893 --> 08:24.034 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, our system's downright now. 08:24.094 --> 08:24.694 [SPEAKER_00]: Try again later. 08:24.895 --> 08:25.395 [SPEAKER_04]: No worse. 08:28.498 --> 08:29.658 [SPEAKER_00]: downgrade internet. 08:29.878 --> 08:31.559 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you would like to upgrade your internet. 08:31.619 --> 08:32.719 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no way. 08:32.879 --> 08:36.380 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 08:36.420 --> 08:37.660 [SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing. 08:37.700 --> 08:40.881 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would like, I would like the downgrade margin. 08:41.381 --> 08:55.264 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I say, I would like to upgrade your other and then it would ask what other and I would say I would like and then I'm like coming up with other words I'm like I would like to change service plans to something cheaper and it was like I don't understand that request and it would give me a list of options. 08:55.524 --> 08:57.065 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you imagine what those options were? 08:59.506 --> 09:00.707 [SPEAKER_04]: would you like to add a home phone? 09:00.867 --> 09:07.212 [SPEAKER_05]: The exact same option for earlier, which only include upgrading my fucking plan. 09:07.232 --> 09:08.393 [SPEAKER_05]: Dang man. 09:08.413 --> 09:14.078 [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, it took three fucking, like harassing it three times to do it. 09:15.059 --> 09:19.523 [SPEAKER_04]: And then of course it would go to the, they would say we would connect to an agent and then our agents are only available between these hours. 09:20.662 --> 09:22.902 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I finally did it today. 09:22.922 --> 09:26.723 [SPEAKER_04]: I got a hold of an agent in the chatbot, or I guess it turned out regular human. 09:26.763 --> 09:28.503 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was a regular human. 09:28.903 --> 09:34.865 [SPEAKER_04]: And I honestly, at this point, I treat everything like an AI problem, like CHATGPT. 09:34.945 --> 09:39.765 [SPEAKER_04]: I said, when you are a service agent at Frontier, your goal is to satisfy the customer. 09:39.805 --> 09:45.807 [SPEAKER_04]: Today, I am the customer, and my request is to move to a cheaper plan. 09:45.867 --> 09:46.787 [SPEAKER_04]: I currently have two gig. 09:46.827 --> 09:48.307 [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to downgrade to one gig. 09:48.847 --> 09:50.949 [SPEAKER_04]: I do not ask me any unrelated questions. 09:51.009 --> 09:52.510 [SPEAKER_04]: Do not ask blah blah blah blah. 09:52.810 --> 10:01.175 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and what's the fucking first thing it's has The human the human Asked how many square feet my houses. 10:02.015 --> 10:02.516 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you serious? 10:02.716 --> 10:03.256 [SPEAKER_05]: What? 10:03.296 --> 10:08.279 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a so me wife by no a whole extra router 10:13.032 --> 10:18.995 [SPEAKER_05]: You fucking kidding me, you're touching me, 185 dollars a month, and I don't need. 10:19.275 --> 10:21.476 [SPEAKER_05]: And they're trying to sell me fucking Wi-Fi. 10:22.017 --> 10:29.841 [SPEAKER_05]: I literally don't even use their fucking Wi-Fi and any of the, we have two, there's like, oh, so what you're saying is the government should deport 10:30.581 --> 10:35.245 [SPEAKER_00]: those people, the frontier agents, into a volcano, into a volcano. 10:35.345 --> 10:37.326 [SPEAKER_04]: Export PDF and straight into volcano. 10:37.607 --> 10:37.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:38.127 --> 10:42.831 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I, I actually was like, I'm about to fucking blow my lid on this chat. 10:43.271 --> 10:47.875 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he immediately, like, I swear to God, they have a gun to their head by their boss. 10:48.275 --> 10:48.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 10:48.735 --> 10:50.076 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like you have to ask these questions. 10:50.457 --> 10:53.379 [SPEAKER_04]: And so like after that first thing I said, do not try to sell me anything. 10:53.719 --> 10:54.520 [SPEAKER_04]: Do not do this. 10:54.680 --> 10:55.421 [SPEAKER_04]: Do not do that. 10:55.461 --> 10:57.482 [SPEAKER_04]: Like my only intention is to 11:00.534 --> 11:00.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 11:00.894 --> 11:02.135 [SPEAKER_04]: And he fucking did it again. 11:03.336 --> 11:06.559 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he asked what is a live support? 11:06.579 --> 11:06.899 [SPEAKER_00]: No way. 11:06.919 --> 11:07.800 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't AI. 11:08.440 --> 11:09.762 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it might be, but I don't think so. 11:09.982 --> 11:10.262 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 11:11.003 --> 11:14.926 [SPEAKER_04]: And so it, you know, I think there was like three pitches in there. 11:15.566 --> 11:22.572 [SPEAKER_04]: And then finally, I said, like, you know, I basically, it just started answering no, or no, I said stop at one point. 11:22.632 --> 11:23.012 [SPEAKER_04]: It's stop. 11:23.453 --> 11:23.953 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 11:24.353 --> 11:24.974 [SPEAKER_04]: Just stop. 11:25.574 --> 11:33.759 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it was the last sales pitch was like fiber internet plus the Wi-Fi plan, and I was like, no, I don't need Wi-Fi. 11:33.779 --> 11:36.980 [SPEAKER_04]: He was like, I respect that. 11:39.662 --> 11:43.004 [SPEAKER_04]: And then he fucking downgraded my plan from two gigs to one gig. 11:43.684 --> 11:47.766 [SPEAKER_04]: I get no discount, I just get the cheaper fucking plan, and that's all I want. 11:47.806 --> 11:48.587 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it half price? 11:49.327 --> 11:49.687 [SPEAKER_04]: It's $85 a month. 11:51.552 --> 11:54.014 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's less than half a hundred dollars left. 11:54.555 --> 11:55.695 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 11:55.836 --> 11:56.256 [SPEAKER_00]: How does that? 11:56.516 --> 11:57.437 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea. 11:57.617 --> 12:05.003 [SPEAKER_04]: I have no fucking idea, but I don't know how it's legal or a service. 12:05.023 --> 12:06.564 [SPEAKER_04]: And I thought it's like a thing in California. 12:07.165 --> 12:10.248 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's you sign up for an upgrade. 12:10.828 --> 12:15.792 [SPEAKER_04]: But doesn't in that same interface, give you the option to sign for a dying downgrade. 12:16.993 --> 12:17.833 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that right. 12:17.853 --> 12:20.654 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not looking forward to this because I'm going to have to do that. 12:20.674 --> 12:22.094 [SPEAKER_00]: I just realize that now I'm paying on. 12:22.114 --> 12:23.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably our paying on it. 12:24.675 --> 12:28.196 [SPEAKER_04]: And I really think that that should not be the way that it is. 12:28.336 --> 12:37.938 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that it should be the same way that you pay for it and the same way that you like interface with the system is the same way that you interface with the system for everything. 12:38.558 --> 12:40.018 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I would like to cancel my plan. 12:40.038 --> 12:41.099 [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to start my plan. 12:41.119 --> 12:42.059 [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to upgrade my plan. 12:42.079 --> 12:43.039 [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to upgrade my plan. 12:43.059 --> 12:44.820 [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to upgrade my plan. 12:47.500 --> 12:48.081 [SPEAKER_04]: I was at legal. 12:48.101 --> 12:49.541 [SPEAKER_04]: Like who the fuck is okay with this? 12:50.062 --> 12:50.462 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 12:50.922 --> 12:56.245 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's going to be like a week ever, Maglioni of, yes, of the frontier fiber internet. 12:57.305 --> 13:08.231 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever had the flip side where you go in threatening the cancel and you're like damn, they're going to come back with all these like offers to keep me. 13:09.571 --> 13:10.452 [SPEAKER_01]: I forget where it was. 13:10.492 --> 13:11.573 [SPEAKER_01]: I forget who I called. 13:11.773 --> 13:13.194 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like probably a couple years ago. 13:13.654 --> 13:16.897 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you called in, you know, acting very upset. 13:17.818 --> 13:19.779 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's been like, I really I just want to cancel my service. 13:20.080 --> 13:22.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Then the guys like, okay, uh, right now. 13:22.902 --> 13:23.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 13:23.362 --> 13:28.807 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, it's just kind of like, it's like, yeah, we, uh, so you're just dissatisfied. 13:28.827 --> 13:30.008 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, he's like, 13:30.708 --> 13:50.323 [SPEAKER_01]: okay yeah we'll cancel it uh just want to terminate it like basically want to terminate it now or like after 30 days i don't like no i just have like oh no i'm not getting anything out of this and he's like yeah just let me know and i'll just terminate it and it will be your last bill and i'm just like oh but is there like uh like 13:51.503 --> 14:17.656 [SPEAKER_01]: something to maybe you know better me yeah kind of like and he's like he's like honestly I don't think we can offer anything better if this isn't good for you I think it's best to just cancel I'm just like no no but that I was like you know what I'll think about it I just didn't cancel because I didn't actually want to leave I just wanted a better deal you know that makes me 14:20.652 --> 14:27.235 [SPEAKER_00]: I heard that there's like a, uh, that that was a life hack, you know, call your cable provider or internet provider and threaten to leave always works here. 14:27.615 --> 14:27.956 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it? 14:27.996 --> 14:28.216 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 14:28.516 --> 14:29.416 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess not in Canada. 14:29.456 --> 14:30.797 [SPEAKER_04]: I think here we're being. 14:30.977 --> 14:34.579 [SPEAKER_04]: So you just told us you paid a nickel for that like two gigs. 14:35.880 --> 14:59.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so what happened was just yesterday I called the or was on Sunday I called the Telecom company Bell because I moved and in the apartment I still paying for the internet and my friends moving in so I wanted to transfer and do some stuff, but I got suckered in when I moved in to sign up for their like TV app and it was kind of cool, but I just stopped using it, but here's a thing. 15:01.225 --> 15:08.350 [SPEAKER_01]: even when I signed up for it, the TV app is $15 a month, but to take it, they gave me a $10 discount. 15:08.410 --> 15:09.251 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm like, 15:16.913 --> 15:19.895 [SPEAKER_01]: I called though and I was like I still don't want it like I don't want it. 15:19.915 --> 15:22.936 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see it on my bill even if the negative is all that up. 15:23.356 --> 15:27.098 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't use it and she's like well, how about to keep you here? 15:27.138 --> 15:39.785 [SPEAKER_01]: We just give you 15 bucks off and I'm just like Okay, I'm just like why are you giving me money to keep an app because they're gonna start charging you for it 12 months from now 15:40.768 --> 15:45.152 [SPEAKER_01]: But will it's been like this for two and a half or almost three years and they've never changed the price. 15:45.172 --> 15:49.957 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, they're just being so incompetent that you got it. 15:49.977 --> 15:52.960 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, no, but I actually do want to cancel it. 15:53.000 --> 15:56.784 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, but you could just say five dollars a month. 15:56.844 --> 15:58.025 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you want to cancel it? 15:58.065 --> 16:01.368 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, you can you say five dollars and you keep the app. 16:01.388 --> 16:02.669 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, but I don't want the app. 16:02.689 --> 16:04.791 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, yeah, but you're saving five dollars. 16:04.852 --> 16:05.172 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, 16:06.705 --> 16:08.466 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't say I don't want to save $5. 16:08.486 --> 16:10.427 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, you know what I did? 16:10.467 --> 16:12.189 [SPEAKER_01]: I took the discount and that was it. 16:12.589 --> 16:13.249 [SPEAKER_04]: Watch three years. 16:13.269 --> 16:19.854 [SPEAKER_04]: So now it's going to be like $1400 a month bill and you'd be like, yeah, I could have made all the money back. 16:19.934 --> 16:21.915 [SPEAKER_04]: Just one month of them jacking it up. 16:22.803 --> 16:25.384 [SPEAKER_01]: It just did make sense to me that you're already paying zero. 16:25.425 --> 16:27.926 [SPEAKER_01]: How about we pay you $5 to keep the app? 16:27.946 --> 16:28.986 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, why? 16:29.006 --> 16:31.307 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, what is this, I don't know for you. 16:31.327 --> 16:38.130 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand why, why can't, you know, I mean, maybe it's always been like this, but like, you know, someone, okay, you know, how do you buy a sandwich? 16:38.851 --> 16:40.432 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you're what's your thought process? 16:40.472 --> 16:43.713 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, if I said, let's get sandwiches. 16:43.753 --> 16:46.434 [SPEAKER_04]: What's the first thing that happens in your hand? 16:47.315 --> 16:48.836 [SPEAKER_00]: I picture the sandwich in my head that I want. 16:48.856 --> 16:49.896 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you picturing subway? 16:51.297 --> 16:51.857 [SPEAKER_00]: I was, yeah. 16:53.198 --> 17:11.624 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you actually I was yeah really yeah, you like this just like the neuron sandwich goes like that just fired and it brought up subway Like when you think of like I'm gonna go get food and I I would like a sandwich sounds nice and then you say subway sounds nice after that No, like Jersey Mike's or something Sometimes subway is good sometimes you're just feeling subway. 17:11.884 --> 17:19.347 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's do a different one because it's clearly backfire Apple if I think of a set if I think of a sandwich 17:20.353 --> 17:24.819 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if something probably pretty generic, but not branded. 17:24.859 --> 17:26.481 [SPEAKER_04]: But like, you like, want subway? 17:29.025 --> 17:34.208 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not thinking of a guess of a 7-Eleven egg salad sandwich. 17:34.228 --> 17:37.710 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, okay, so you're not thinking of a 7-Eleven egg salad sandwich. 17:37.850 --> 17:38.210 [SPEAKER_04]: Why not? 17:38.730 --> 17:40.011 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it better or worse in subway? 17:40.511 --> 17:40.831 [SPEAKER_04]: Worst. 17:41.131 --> 17:42.952 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it more expensive or less expensive in subway? 17:43.012 --> 17:46.814 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the same price, but you, you know, this is my worst. 17:46.834 --> 17:48.495 [SPEAKER_00]: It's no way, it's like, it's more expensive. 17:48.515 --> 17:49.996 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably like six, yeah, yeah. 17:50.056 --> 17:51.957 [SPEAKER_04]: So this is, you get less sandwich for the same money. 17:52.077 --> 17:52.537 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 17:52.597 --> 17:58.120 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so then you would go to subway because it's a better product and a better price. 17:58.500 --> 17:59.660 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 17:59.760 --> 18:02.601 [SPEAKER_04]: Why doesn't everything else work like that? 18:02.961 --> 18:07.282 [SPEAKER_04]: Why doesn't Internet service operate on we make a better product and so we charge more. 18:07.302 --> 18:09.682 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, why can't things be more like a big master car? 18:10.102 --> 18:15.743 [SPEAKER_04]: And less like a TV or gym subscription where they come in and say, hey, our product is better. 18:15.783 --> 18:21.564 [SPEAKER_04]: And so we charge you more, not hey, we've made it hard to stop giving us money literally and technically challenging. 18:21.604 --> 18:24.925 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's actually, we've made it difficult, physically difficult. 18:28.519 --> 18:33.507 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, another thing they do is they charge you like $10 or $15 a month for the router. 18:34.108 --> 18:35.050 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, I know. 18:35.190 --> 18:39.978 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so if anybody knows, I want to replace my euro router with like a real router. 18:39.998 --> 18:41.160 [SPEAKER_04]: Would you Google home, say they got you? 18:41.852 --> 18:46.716 [SPEAKER_00]: No, maybe, but I want like an actual router that lets me do things. 18:46.936 --> 18:47.517 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you need to do? 18:47.537 --> 18:53.702 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, I don't want to freaking app on my phone that I have to like, I just want the normal, like you type it in a browser. 18:53.922 --> 18:57.024 [SPEAKER_00]: You get like the administrator console and it's just, you don't want that router? 18:57.044 --> 18:57.885 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait Kevin. 18:58.145 --> 18:58.465 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 18:58.646 --> 19:00.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody can somebody recommend one to me, please. 19:01.348 --> 19:04.130 [SPEAKER_01]: I signed up for my internet at the office. 19:04.771 --> 19:10.095 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so in raging that I've probably something similar. 19:11.132 --> 19:15.114 [SPEAKER_01]: The router, you can't connect to it without internet. 19:16.234 --> 19:17.855 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they all can. 19:17.935 --> 19:23.177 [SPEAKER_01]: So if your internet goes down, you can't connect to it. 19:23.757 --> 19:28.179 [SPEAKER_01]: Because there is no ability to directly log into it. 19:28.199 --> 19:29.980 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to sign in through a web portal. 19:30.929 --> 19:37.330 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's in it like sends back like all my telemetry taking freaking amazon porn porn porn. 19:37.350 --> 19:37.970 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all porn. 19:38.010 --> 19:38.731 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude's all porn. 19:38.771 --> 19:41.971 [SPEAKER_00]: I get so many targeted ads. 19:41.991 --> 19:43.692 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're listening to everything. 19:43.712 --> 19:48.873 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want, if you want a router pay for shipping and I can send you a router. 19:49.213 --> 19:50.513 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you don't have to pay for shipping. 19:50.813 --> 19:51.133 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 19:51.633 --> 19:53.834 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say give me your dress, but I know you're a dress. 19:53.934 --> 19:56.494 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, maybe maybe just stand by. 19:56.994 --> 20:00.055 [SPEAKER_01]: It's um, it's an asus. 20:02.673 --> 20:03.894 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, big router. 20:03.954 --> 20:05.955 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I'll give the raw grouter. 20:05.975 --> 20:08.757 [SPEAKER_00]: The one that's like eight antennas on it. 20:10.058 --> 20:11.339 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's an older. 20:11.619 --> 20:12.820 [SPEAKER_04]: That's I bought one of those. 20:12.860 --> 20:15.982 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the only reason I was able to use any of the freaking two gig that I paid for. 20:16.042 --> 20:18.103 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it yeah, $600 router. 20:18.344 --> 20:18.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 20:18.844 --> 20:19.124 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 20:19.164 --> 20:25.208 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's this one that aces ROG A X 11,000. 20:25.508 --> 20:26.589 [SPEAKER_01]: I get send it to you. 20:27.389 --> 20:31.292 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was like the only thing I could find that had two gigs in and a two gig out. 20:32.121 --> 20:36.763 [SPEAKER_01]: It still sells at best by for $390 Canadian, but it can be yours for free. 20:37.263 --> 20:41.065 [SPEAKER_00]: I will take that thank you Nigel, but why why are they so expensive? 20:41.085 --> 20:42.205 [SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't be that expensive. 20:42.225 --> 20:42.966 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a two gig. 20:43.726 --> 20:44.926 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what if I go down to one gig? 20:44.946 --> 20:46.487 [SPEAKER_04]: This one is like fucking dirty. 20:46.667 --> 20:47.808 [SPEAKER_04]: It's at the time. 20:48.088 --> 20:52.189 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the two gig, like having a router that had two gigs in and two gigs out, it's just really expensive. 20:52.430 --> 20:52.650 [SPEAKER_04]: Hmm. 20:53.010 --> 20:53.790 [SPEAKER_04]: It still expensive. 20:53.810 --> 20:58.872 [SPEAKER_04]: But even like a switch, if you go get a 10 gig switch or two gig switch, it is, it's expensive. 20:59.592 --> 21:00.773 [SPEAKER_04]: More expensive than one gig should. 21:01.497 --> 21:07.399 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I got some beef to pick some beef to pick a bone. 21:07.499 --> 21:10.240 [SPEAKER_04]: I've got some I've got a bone to beef with you. 21:10.280 --> 21:11.520 [SPEAKER_04]: I got a bone for you. 21:11.540 --> 21:12.700 [SPEAKER_04]: Wait with me. 21:12.720 --> 21:12.880 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 21:14.701 --> 21:15.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what did I do? 21:15.621 --> 21:28.785 [SPEAKER_04]: You remember you said something very audacious a couple of weeks ago and it was living in my brain and I went to verify your claims and you're fucking wrong. 21:30.195 --> 21:47.385 [SPEAKER_04]: Hell yeah, what was the claim I said that I like Mountain Dew kick start that's sort of my my like favorite energy drink Because it's half artificial swimmers in you said you know what else is like that not Noss has super close in it. 21:47.505 --> 21:53.549 [SPEAKER_04]: Noss does not have any sugar That doesn't candidate. 21:53.869 --> 21:56.310 [SPEAKER_04]: Here it does not go fuck yourself 21:58.923 --> 21:59.964 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all sugar. 22:00.004 --> 22:07.907 [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's all sugar free and it's I could the sugar free one had no sugar in it and the regular one had no sugar in it I don't think I need a Nigel. 22:08.327 --> 22:09.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll drop a couple. 22:09.687 --> 22:12.608 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll drop a couple losses in with Kevin's around me 22:14.889 --> 22:37.942 [SPEAKER_04]: But I did kind of like I have I have a thing going on right now that I actually You know the how do I describe this like um the idea of like a loop crate like kind of gambling or in a like a video game You're like go around you like collect shit just because you can yeah, you know like it's free You'll just you know or at the casino remember when you were looking for the cards a lot of parts 22:39.663 --> 22:50.929 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I have been going to the dollar door recently and, uh, because they have Kickstarter, Mound to Kickstarter, for like a dollar, dollar 25 or whatever they charge. 22:51.590 --> 22:53.891 [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, the thing is they don't always have them. 22:54.031 --> 22:55.792 [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, they like usually don't have them. 22:55.932 --> 22:59.714 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I go like two or three times a week and I walk in there and I look at the fridge. 22:59.914 --> 23:02.395 [SPEAKER_04]: And if they have it, I get, it's like really exciting. 23:02.415 --> 23:03.196 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like exhilarating. 23:03.216 --> 23:03.536 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 23:03.776 --> 23:05.117 [SPEAKER_04]: I just bought nine today. 23:06.417 --> 23:08.758 [SPEAKER_04]: But every other time I go, they don't have it in stock. 23:08.778 --> 23:10.459 [SPEAKER_04]: And so it's kind of like, oh, they're going to have it today. 23:10.559 --> 23:13.160 [SPEAKER_04]: There's something, it's almost like going to the gas station, getting a scratch. 23:13.180 --> 23:16.361 [SPEAKER_04]: Except I win, they don't really spend anything if I lose. 23:16.581 --> 23:18.902 [SPEAKER_04]: And it cost me everything I get when I win. 23:18.922 --> 23:19.462 [SPEAKER_04]: That's one. 23:20.482 --> 23:21.683 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm enjoying it a lot. 23:21.863 --> 23:22.963 [SPEAKER_00]: How much are they? 23:23.343 --> 23:23.683 [SPEAKER_00]: Like $1.25? 23:23.703 --> 23:24.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Like $1.25? 23:24.204 --> 23:24.744 [SPEAKER_04]: Like $1.25. 23:24.764 --> 23:26.684 [SPEAKER_04]: And there's like the five cent, you know, California. 23:28.793 --> 23:40.250 [SPEAKER_04]: in Utah saw them at a gas station but they were too 25 exactly see because I you know I've actually gone there's not many things I've gone online like two distributors to try to figure out like how you could buy them because you can't really buy them around here for some reason 23:41.160 --> 23:43.781 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's, it's really not feasible. 23:43.881 --> 23:50.762 [SPEAKER_04]: And even if you could buy a whole palette, like, really, is that what I want to do and to buy a whole palette of them, and it's going to cost probably $2 a can or something like that. 23:50.782 --> 23:52.102 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's not interesting to me. 23:52.182 --> 23:54.043 [SPEAKER_04]: I want, I want, you know, a deal, right? 23:54.063 --> 23:55.763 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, uh-huh. 23:55.843 --> 23:56.183 [SPEAKER_04]: Steel. 23:56.923 --> 23:58.123 [SPEAKER_04]: App. 23:58.143 --> 23:58.263 [SPEAKER_04]: $2. 23:58.283 --> 24:00.044 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you say $2? 24:00.084 --> 24:00.564 [SPEAKER_00]: $2.25? 24:00.684 --> 24:00.984 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:01.184 --> 24:01.404 [SPEAKER_04]: No. 24:01.664 --> 24:02.384 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that ain't it. 24:02.404 --> 24:03.044 [SPEAKER_00]: The dollar? 24:03.204 --> 24:03.384 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 24:03.524 --> 24:03.785 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 24:04.205 --> 24:04.685 [SPEAKER_04]: What's better? 24:04.705 --> 24:05.085 [SPEAKER_04]: $1.25 or $2.25? 24:08.813 --> 24:10.574 [SPEAKER_00]: in my pocket to twenty five. 24:11.015 --> 24:11.335 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 24:11.515 --> 24:14.817 [SPEAKER_04]: The other way out of your pocket. 24:14.837 --> 24:17.099 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I do things I was going to say. 24:17.119 --> 24:20.241 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if they're appearing at the dollar store, that means they're on its final. 24:20.321 --> 24:25.425 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm worried about, which means I probably should be willing to spend two dollars for a whole pallet of them. 24:27.280 --> 24:31.922 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is, I think the package I'm going to send you is pretty, pretty spicy. 24:31.942 --> 24:34.242 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have a router for Kevin. 24:35.203 --> 24:39.004 [SPEAKER_01]: Noss for both of you and also I have two x-ray. 24:39.404 --> 24:41.125 [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, two x-ray little things. 24:41.145 --> 24:42.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Then three x-ray tubes or sensor sensors. 24:42.725 --> 24:44.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they don't know the sensors. 24:44.406 --> 24:46.347 [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, yes. 24:47.967 --> 24:48.668 [SPEAKER_04]: You want ketchup? 24:48.868 --> 24:49.668 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good package. 24:50.328 --> 24:51.188 [SPEAKER_04]: John wants ketchup chips. 24:51.369 --> 24:52.529 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, John wants ketchup chips. 24:55.940 --> 24:57.661 [SPEAKER_01]: God, but this is like a full care pack. 24:57.681 --> 24:59.862 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, should be. 24:59.882 --> 25:01.182 [SPEAKER_00]: The chips aren't going to survive. 25:02.283 --> 25:04.684 [SPEAKER_04]: If you get rid of all the packages to replace the chips. 25:05.004 --> 25:07.745 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say all just use chips. 25:07.765 --> 25:10.606 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the packing material. 25:10.626 --> 25:13.828 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, so Nigel, you ripped apart one of the X-ray machines, right? 25:14.588 --> 25:18.089 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it has two sensors are like a sideways one and a. 25:18.229 --> 25:19.490 [SPEAKER_00]: No, there's a shit ton of sense of it. 25:20.123 --> 25:29.198 [SPEAKER_01]: there's a lot i think i counted i thought there's way more i think i remember saying on the podcast i thought there's like sixteen i know i counted the next day and i was like there's way less i think it's 25:30.393 --> 25:38.242 [SPEAKER_04]: It either is exactly 10 or it's 12, how big are they like this big like maybe three inches or two and a half inches of something. 25:38.842 --> 25:39.803 [SPEAKER_01]: The actual sensor. 25:39.843 --> 25:51.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so then two and a half times like the whole board is probably like just a strip the whole board like a single like so in a half by five inches and then yeah, the sensor should take in a photo the sensor is probably. 25:56.061 --> 26:11.909 [SPEAKER_01]: Like an inch like the actual thing coming off the card is probably like an inch wide and like three inches long but then you can see like a strip that looks like it's the the actual part that receives some sort of signal it's like probably like you know. 26:13.350 --> 26:21.854 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one pixel wide and like a couple hundred maybe like hundreds and then they just like stack those like length wise and they have one that's probably like vertical and horizontal. 26:21.894 --> 26:38.721 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I think there's like a vertical one that scans through and then horizontal one that can yeah through the top and then which is like when you think about it kind of like an archaic way of doing it because it doesn't that just gives you like essentially two different scans is not like a three-dimensional scan. 26:43.888 --> 26:45.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the extra machine works. 26:45.089 --> 26:47.571 [SPEAKER_01]: The one we have totally where you've put stuff through it. 26:48.852 --> 26:50.433 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, any people. 26:52.095 --> 26:55.397 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we have to yet we want to put a rotisserie chicken through. 26:55.417 --> 26:58.500 [SPEAKER_01]: We want to do like some some good stuff. 26:58.900 --> 27:04.845 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do also wonder because when you turn the machine on for the first time, it'll say where one we did. 27:04.885 --> 27:07.327 [SPEAKER_01]: It says like this machine hasn't run in a long time. 27:07.347 --> 27:09.088 [SPEAKER_01]: You need to season the x-ray tube. 27:10.149 --> 27:35.447 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, it ran for an hour and it just up to the voltage as it went through, but I do think, I don't know too much about x-rays, I think the luggage stuff from what I know, it dumps like, it's really, this is really not scientific terms, I'm like, it's really pumping x-rays, 27:36.007 --> 27:39.729 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that it, it's, it's called pulse and gents of getting. 27:39.749 --> 27:43.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's piss and x-rays and the voltage gets really high. 27:43.312 --> 27:59.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas for like biological stuff, if you actually want to see the difference between like, you know, almost like any soft tissue or anything, you can't just be blasting it because the x-ray thing, I think just wants to see through any material and basically becomes like invisible. 28:00.022 --> 28:05.526 [SPEAKER_01]: So I do wonder if there's a way to, now it's probably not, there's definitely not a way of not the software here. 28:05.666 --> 28:13.191 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so the workage voltage gives you penetration and then the amps is your exposure, like how much life. 28:13.211 --> 28:17.474 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you, they're probably, my guess is like higher voltage too, right? 28:17.494 --> 28:21.157 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like a gauge to get through, you know, like metal and things. 28:21.457 --> 28:22.638 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 28:23.038 --> 28:25.020 [SPEAKER_04]: But that's what I was thinking. 28:25.120 --> 28:26.281 [SPEAKER_04]: That's probably, 28:28.518 --> 28:31.580 [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, it's probably my guess is it's like pretty well-rounded. 28:32.640 --> 28:36.742 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think if you want to lower the voltage of the tube, I think it would be very easy to do. 28:36.882 --> 28:40.404 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the only thing would be, because I saw it goes through a range. 28:40.584 --> 28:45.307 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the seasonings starts at like 80 kv, yeah. 28:46.347 --> 28:47.948 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it goes all the way up to like 1.6. 28:48.108 --> 28:51.630 [SPEAKER_04]: I think 1.6 is like exceptionally high. 28:51.690 --> 28:55.032 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you don't, I don't think I don't think they would get anywhere near that for. 28:55.952 --> 29:00.953 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember that like, no, that's like a whole, that's like a chest X-ray for a skull and X-ray. 29:01.293 --> 29:13.275 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a lot, a lot of X-ray penetrating ability because it's just like X-rays are like, I mean, it's like the visible light, but not it's called all X-rays. 29:13.375 --> 29:19.136 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just you have X-ray over here, and then an X-ray over here on the spectrum, they just call it an X-ray, but it actually is like a different wavelength. 29:19.256 --> 29:22.157 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I still don't conceptually, 29:23.057 --> 29:26.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Like X-ray still don't conceptually compute with me. 29:26.520 --> 29:45.057 [SPEAKER_01]: The photograph or the wave I don't know just like because you go, oh, yeah X-rays light and then it's like, oh, it just goes through things and you're like, oh, okay Yeah, I don't I don't know why I mean it's got to be are we or X-rays? 29:45.758 --> 29:46.519 [SPEAKER_04]: They're narrower, right? 29:46.539 --> 29:46.999 [SPEAKER_04]: They're shorter. 29:47.019 --> 29:47.880 [SPEAKER_04]: They're like high energy 29:48.031 --> 29:50.152 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, yeah, they're super high energy. 29:50.252 --> 29:53.333 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but do they just sort of like go through them? 29:53.353 --> 29:55.254 [SPEAKER_04]: They just kind of like phase through materials. 29:55.334 --> 29:56.055 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know. 29:56.095 --> 29:57.896 [SPEAKER_00]: Probability of them getting hit. 29:57.916 --> 30:02.298 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, they have a lower probability of getting hit of like hitting another atom or something. 30:02.318 --> 30:13.643 [SPEAKER_04]: Which makes sense because if you're putting if higher voltage gives higher energy x-rays and that gives you better penetrating power, that means that they're permeating better, which means they're like physically less likely to hit things. 30:15.492 --> 30:24.237 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean that I think that's yeah, yeah, I don't know I don't know But then the photograph itself is like a lack of X-rays right where it's like a negative face. 30:24.277 --> 30:28.919 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, technically it's like a shadow Because you can't actually let me lens. 30:29.139 --> 30:35.382 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I think I think that maybe they can but like not for X-rays not for T-bex-rays You can't really lens it. 30:35.862 --> 30:44.427 [SPEAKER_04]: You can't like focus like the light itself You don't focus it onto a sensor you literally have to just you know cast it onto 30:45.127 --> 30:47.768 [SPEAKER_04]: a piece of film and the only way to do that is with a shadow. 30:49.109 --> 30:52.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, uh, why do you, why did you buy the x-ray machine? 30:53.710 --> 30:54.230 [SPEAKER_00]: Just for fun. 30:54.591 --> 30:58.992 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, basically, yes. 30:59.312 --> 31:05.735 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we got two, we got two, they claim that one, the one that does work fully works. 31:06.415 --> 31:11.517 [SPEAKER_01]: The other one, they were like, we couldn't test it because they couldn't turn it on. 31:13.442 --> 31:16.043 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but the total price was 400 bucks. 31:16.063 --> 31:20.324 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, uh, I feel like, honestly, I'm always wanted to do this purchase. 31:20.985 --> 31:21.925 [SPEAKER_04]: That's basically $3,400. 31:21.945 --> 31:23.205 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a... Yeah. 31:23.885 --> 31:33.529 [SPEAKER_01]: And what's, I think it's single-handedly one of the best purchases we ever did, because it's like, out of the one we took apart, we got just like, I don't know, a crap ton of luck. 31:33.549 --> 31:35.369 [SPEAKER_04]: You know much I paid for the sensors on eBay, Nigel? 31:37.070 --> 31:37.930 [SPEAKER_01]: The X-ray sensors? 31:38.950 --> 31:39.631 [SPEAKER_04]: How much? 31:39.911 --> 31:40.331 [SPEAKER_04]: Over $100, it's. 31:44.004 --> 32:00.210 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess we have like 10 spares and like basically we have all these replacement parts if the machine we ever have like breaks Because we just got a replica of every single piece what's funny is it even comes with an old because it runs on a like there's a computer in there. 32:00.230 --> 32:05.972 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like I could probably sell the computer for like The price we got the machine for the RAM. 32:06.332 --> 32:08.213 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, yeah exactly 32:09.513 --> 32:14.816 [SPEAKER_01]: It just had, it came with a touch screen computer monitors that I'm like, you're going to at least let's go. 32:14.836 --> 32:20.178 [SPEAKER_04]: So the most, I think the most value you're going to get out of it is, is like replacement parts like drop in replace parts. 32:20.258 --> 32:28.102 [SPEAKER_04]: So you basically say the machine, the model and you listen on eBay and it's honestly though, I say it's like not it's such a waste of time. 32:28.122 --> 32:33.265 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I liked it just the fact that we got basically spare everything. 32:33.865 --> 32:38.787 [SPEAKER_01]: for if anything ever goes wrong, we just, we have a replacement computer. 32:39.187 --> 32:41.088 [SPEAKER_01]: There's an entire x-ray tube like what? 32:41.108 --> 32:43.329 [SPEAKER_04]: What are your plans for this action machine? 32:43.409 --> 32:47.411 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not even like you're feeling you just got some big plans for this thing. 32:47.651 --> 32:50.993 [SPEAKER_01]: No, for right now there aren't major plans. 32:51.053 --> 32:55.074 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now it's just a very convenient diagnostic tool. 32:55.174 --> 32:59.116 [SPEAKER_00]: So right now it's like a Nile red extra video and then 33:02.427 --> 33:02.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 33:02.849 --> 33:07.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I saw that the, uh, oh no, I was thinking of a different Nile or an extra where you're like taking apart the SCM. 33:09.046 --> 33:10.227 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's on the extra channel. 33:10.247 --> 33:10.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:11.227 --> 33:11.808 [SPEAKER_00]: I just had an idea. 33:12.008 --> 33:14.830 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's there's this there's an SCM part two. 33:15.950 --> 33:19.432 [SPEAKER_01]: If you can, that's what we stripped it down to nothing. 33:19.532 --> 33:21.814 [SPEAKER_01]: There's actually nothing. 33:22.094 --> 33:26.376 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you want any of the parts off of the SCM or the X-ray or you just wanted to take something apart? 33:26.397 --> 33:27.897 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I like doing that too. 33:28.858 --> 33:38.084 [SPEAKER_01]: The SCM actually was a good purchase as well, because we got a turbo pump and turbo, no, we got a turbo pump and a turbo controller which I wanted. 33:39.405 --> 33:43.268 [SPEAKER_01]: And even on eBay, that combo sells the lowest press I saw was 5k. 33:45.791 --> 33:46.632 [SPEAKER_01]: What else did we get? 33:48.409 --> 33:56.055 [SPEAKER_01]: There's other, oh, and I even, I stripped apart one of the whole, like the high voltage power supply and I used the chassis to build the turbo pump set up. 33:56.075 --> 33:58.237 [SPEAKER_04]: They were able to desotter about 4,000 resistors. 33:58.837 --> 33:59.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, that's fine. 33:59.958 --> 34:12.528 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the funniest part, too, is we took, I pulled out every single transformer and I think for an extra video, we're going to strip them apart and build them up together and make a billion volts. 34:13.288 --> 34:26.632 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like here's my idea, but there's a lot of obscure parts in it too that you could probably could probably sell if you can't lends a Next right right like what what the fuck is the material that lends the next right they do you can with what 34:28.223 --> 34:33.010 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like, I think it's like actually little channels and materials like physical things. 34:33.150 --> 34:33.470 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 34:33.510 --> 34:37.656 [SPEAKER_04]: They're like, like, what does like an actual x-ray photograph look like instead of an x-ray? 34:37.696 --> 34:39.578 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, ghetto grammar or whatever they call it. 34:39.638 --> 34:40.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Or I think what do you mean? 34:40.740 --> 34:42.142 [SPEAKER_00]: You can like, collimate them. 34:43.263 --> 34:45.687 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm talking or a sensor that can detect. 34:46.347 --> 34:59.422 [SPEAKER_04]: X-rays, and so you capture an image in the same way that you capture an image of the camera where you're measuring the X-rays coming through a lens focused onto the sensor instead of X-rays casting a shadow. 35:01.293 --> 35:07.935 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, I don't even know how, like, how do the digital x-ray sensors work? 35:08.155 --> 35:13.537 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't even know how it's, uh, I think, well, I mean, you've got the classic, like, phosphorous screen, right? 35:13.557 --> 35:27.761 [SPEAKER_04]: Where the x-rays convert into visible light by, you know, whatever quantum bullshit, like, you know, pumps up the phosphorous and then it falls and then you get a, like, a literal physical, you know, visible photons coming out of it. 35:27.781 --> 35:29.081 [SPEAKER_04]: So your regular camera can do it. 35:29.661 --> 35:38.943 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm assuming there's other ways of doing it, but I think that that is like the prominent maybe the cheap way of doing it, right? 35:38.963 --> 35:48.345 [SPEAKER_04]: Because if you wanted something that didn't use visible light, now you need an x-ray sensor that measures x-rays directly and what does the entire industry that captures photons look like? 35:48.485 --> 35:50.026 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, mostly visible light. 35:50.106 --> 35:52.386 [SPEAKER_04]: So now you have to yield a technology 35:59.728 --> 36:00.229 [SPEAKER_04]: industry. 36:00.249 --> 36:01.650 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying? 36:03.391 --> 36:04.672 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, no. 36:05.112 --> 36:10.597 [SPEAKER_04]: X-ray machines using phosphorescrans are cheap because you can use image sensors that are also used for cameras. 36:12.899 --> 36:13.199 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:13.499 --> 36:14.220 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's the same technique. 36:14.260 --> 36:14.540 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 36:14.940 --> 36:16.762 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you wanted to measure X-rays directly, 36:17.429 --> 36:18.609 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why they do that. 36:18.629 --> 36:19.409 [SPEAKER_00]: They have those big. 36:19.429 --> 36:21.390 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like an eight by 10 image sensor. 36:21.550 --> 36:23.050 [SPEAKER_04]: But do those measure X is directly? 36:23.490 --> 36:23.650 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 36:24.050 --> 36:24.811 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it still fast for? 36:24.911 --> 36:25.111 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 36:25.311 --> 36:25.531 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:25.711 --> 36:25.891 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 36:26.111 --> 36:32.092 [SPEAKER_04]: So like, even if there's a way to do it, I think it just doesn't make sense when you can just use the same things that cameras use. 36:32.112 --> 36:37.933 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, imagine you have a lab and they're really good at measuring visible photons with their whatever they build their sensors. 36:38.033 --> 36:41.054 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you're like, hey, invent a brand new thing and they're like, no, let's just put a five. 36:41.214 --> 36:50.823 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's hard for to like make something that the x-ray will interact with like without passing through without passing through yeah, the foster for some reason just eat some really well 36:51.411 --> 36:57.532 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the phosphores are usually pretty dense, like they're made out of dense, like elements. 36:57.913 --> 37:00.973 [SPEAKER_00]: So they have like a higher probability of intercepting the x-ray. 37:01.473 --> 37:03.654 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so here's my question. 37:03.714 --> 37:06.235 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it it's iron sulfide? 37:06.295 --> 37:07.055 [SPEAKER_01]: Is the classic? 37:07.395 --> 37:12.336 [SPEAKER_00]: I think CZM iodide or some dandelion something something. 37:12.576 --> 37:13.816 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they really go dense. 37:14.016 --> 37:14.296 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:22.205 --> 37:39.271 [SPEAKER_01]: like radium paint or radium lumen as the radio lumen essence stuff but that's kind of different and that yeah that's alpha particles exactly for beta is a bit way bigger and but it's still way bigger than the next right 37:39.715 --> 37:42.217 [SPEAKER_04]: You see what I'm trying to say about the x-ray. 37:42.237 --> 37:43.317 [SPEAKER_01]: I need way less density. 37:43.337 --> 37:48.781 [SPEAKER_04]: The x-ray lens though, like actually capturing an x-ray voter group, not shadow ground. 37:49.141 --> 37:49.961 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a much better ground. 37:49.981 --> 37:54.164 [SPEAKER_01]: I heard that there's a way to lens it and bend it, but then I don't know how to actually capture it. 37:54.384 --> 37:55.325 [SPEAKER_04]: You use the same sensor. 37:56.413 --> 38:13.924 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the sensor work, okay, so imagine you wanted to take like a really rudimentary picture you could just like cast a shadow onto a wall like flash a light at somebody and cast their shadow and then you get to the shadow like that's what an x right is it's like a shadow of what you see not what you actually see. 38:14.304 --> 38:28.893 [SPEAKER_04]: That what bounce is bad right now about this back and so like it's the x-rays are like What went through that's what you normally see, but I'm wondering what the photo would look like if instead of visible light It was x-rays where they bounce back at the camera. 38:28.953 --> 38:29.954 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen iron long? 38:30.855 --> 38:34.897 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, but that's I was there with you. 38:34.917 --> 38:36.098 [SPEAKER_04]: There's no way that's what it looks like. 38:36.198 --> 38:43.302 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would look like that you think so yeah It would just be like a black and white image and it's like the the back scatter from the x-ray 38:44.263 --> 38:53.480 [SPEAKER_00]: And it would be really hard to do because I think you can't, you know, like the problem with focusing visible light is chromatic aberration and you get the same thing with different x-ray energies. 38:53.860 --> 38:57.427 [SPEAKER_00]: So you'd have, so I think it would only work for the one x-ray source kind of. 38:57.765 --> 39:25.525 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also the problem that I'm assuming it probably is an effect too with because how XRF sensor or whatever I don't know what they're called like XRF things work like my XRF detector it works on x ray fluorescence so it's like the x ray hits the element and then it kicks back another x ray yeah so it's like that for sure is happening. 39:27.203 --> 39:35.581 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like there's no way, it's not like a light ray that hits and kind of comes now I guess it's kind of all pretty random too and light bounces off. 39:36.901 --> 39:50.590 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it can just tell like what energy level that the fluorescence is like what energy level that extra is and then it'll tell you like what the materials made out of exactly but I feel like the what I guess what I'm trying to say here too is like 40:00.476 --> 40:06.961 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and then it all will come back, but as a mishmash of random energies, depending on what element it hit. 40:08.703 --> 40:09.563 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how that works. 40:09.603 --> 40:11.104 [SPEAKER_00]: How can they tell the different energies? 40:11.144 --> 40:13.867 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it like how brightly it makes the phosphoryglow? 40:14.867 --> 40:15.388 [SPEAKER_00]: Or something? 40:15.748 --> 40:16.288 [SPEAKER_01]: Did I don't know. 40:16.329 --> 40:19.651 [SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is really, because the radio code can do that object. 40:19.751 --> 40:22.073 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything of that. 40:22.133 --> 40:27.257 [SPEAKER_04]: No, the phosphory, I bet you this sort of glows based on total energy. 40:27.677 --> 40:28.798 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, maybe they have 40:29.979 --> 40:30.579 [SPEAKER_00]: Good not go ahead. 40:31.980 --> 40:40.705 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the phosphorus sort of like a very two dimensional thing where it's like it could maybe either be the energy of the wave or the number of waves. 40:40.725 --> 40:42.486 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it doesn't really matter how you got the energy. 40:42.506 --> 40:44.127 [SPEAKER_04]: It just is like, all right, I'll be this bright. 40:44.522 --> 40:58.074 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they have an image sensor that's like obscured like a gradient of like material that's like really dense and then not as dense so like the really dense part of or the really high energy particles can go through everything. 40:58.875 --> 41:09.465 [SPEAKER_00]: So you know something if something hits this like the far section of the image sensor it was high energy but if something only hits the front of the image sensor but not the back you know it's a low energy in that way you could tell. 41:09.965 --> 41:18.370 [SPEAKER_04]: What energy does it like, do you just assume that you're like your sources consistent and then you can just I guess it would just be based off brightness. 41:19.391 --> 41:24.714 [SPEAKER_04]: Like if you knew that the x-rays coming in we're like a constant ray across the entire field. 41:25.014 --> 41:25.875 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. 41:25.895 --> 41:29.837 [SPEAKER_04]: Then you would all you wouldn't need to like the density would be determining hit the brightness. 41:30.798 --> 41:32.199 [SPEAKER_04]: like it wouldn't be the energy. 41:32.219 --> 41:42.368 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it'd be like it's that makes sense like if it's something that's very transparent to X-rays, they're all going to go through which is going to get bright, but if it's dim, it means only the high energy ones are going through. 41:43.549 --> 41:56.860 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, but how it actually works is like the X-ray, when the X-rays hit a material like steel, you're going to have like a hundred different peaks show up on this image sensor. 41:58.293 --> 42:02.775 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're all different like wavelengths of x-rays or energies. 42:05.255 --> 42:10.837 [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like it must make like what regards what happens. 42:10.857 --> 42:18.360 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you if you blasted x-rays out and you had like a pipe in front, the other actually are going to keep going, right? 42:18.380 --> 42:26.203 [SPEAKER_01]: And they probably won't backscatter, but the pipe that's in front of your whatever your x-ray emission, 42:27.693 --> 42:44.989 [SPEAKER_01]: would back scatter x-rays and you should be able if you had a sensor to see it you'd be able to see some sort of garbled terrible image right well then I'm just gonna look this in iron lung I don't know anything though did you see iron lung? 42:46.211 --> 42:46.511 [SPEAKER_02]: I did 42:56.667 --> 42:59.429 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea how to even phrase this question. 43:00.190 --> 43:02.251 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's yelling at us and I know who it is. 43:02.271 --> 43:04.012 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the guy in our discord channel. 43:04.233 --> 43:04.573 [SPEAKER_00]: Which one? 43:04.773 --> 43:05.514 [SPEAKER_00]: Health or R&E. 43:05.994 --> 43:06.074 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. 43:06.815 --> 43:10.317 [SPEAKER_00]: He probably knows exactly how this works and how we're doing. 43:10.337 --> 43:15.341 [SPEAKER_04]: How are we supposed to be properly educated on any of the shit if you do this in school? 43:16.782 --> 43:33.856 [SPEAKER_01]: No, this is like advanced level like if yeah level like a senior level physics course probably I think the problem is we're we're talking about complicated things with x raised and I I started it with saying I don't even get how they go through things. 43:34.957 --> 43:35.717 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything. 43:35.737 --> 43:38.480 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you listen, do you know how bad it's for how dark? 43:40.081 --> 43:42.383 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think I know where this is going. 43:42.423 --> 43:44.824 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, do you know, no, I don't know. 43:44.904 --> 43:46.165 [SPEAKER_04]: And nobody knows if anything works. 43:47.226 --> 43:47.927 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, it's funny. 43:47.987 --> 43:49.248 [SPEAKER_01]: I can only make a magnet. 43:49.288 --> 43:50.789 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have no idea how it works. 43:53.030 --> 43:54.531 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that's everything in life. 43:55.612 --> 43:59.195 [SPEAKER_04]: The more questions you ask, the more existential, existential, dread you feel. 44:02.166 --> 44:05.009 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you just at some point you just sort of had to accept something. 44:05.369 --> 44:10.754 [SPEAKER_00]: A solid state detector converts these photons into a voltage pulse proportional to their energy. 44:11.134 --> 44:11.475 [SPEAKER_00]: Which one? 44:12.135 --> 44:13.456 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, X-rays spectroscopy. 44:14.958 --> 44:16.119 [SPEAKER_04]: That's a single photon now. 44:16.379 --> 44:17.881 [SPEAKER_04]: What happens if multiple photons hit it? 44:17.961 --> 44:24.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it probably just has really high resolution like spatial or you like time resolution. 44:25.149 --> 44:54.210 [SPEAKER_04]: Is there a way to like or like invisible like a bear pattern right where they like like the photo sensors of a camera and Jesus Christ and there's probably a variety different ways of this works but like the classic image sensor is black and white like every single camera is a black and white camera and then on top of the black and white camera they put a pattern of RGB filters and so when light comes in the sensors that are measuring just energy. 44:55.312 --> 45:00.099 [SPEAKER_04]: they know that they're only measuring something that's green, right? 45:00.119 --> 45:08.632 [SPEAKER_04]: So you're like, okay, this black and white sensor that is sensitive to all, you know, like wavelengths of light in a range, like visible plus outside of it. 45:09.453 --> 45:09.553 [SPEAKER_03]: It. 45:10.239 --> 45:16.265 [SPEAKER_04]: It saw a photon, and because there's a filter in front of it, it's green what color does the photon have to be. 45:17.046 --> 45:17.726 [SPEAKER_04]: Green, green. 45:18.687 --> 45:25.033 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it turns out there's all sorts of wizards shit they can do, where they like, there's less blue or more blue or something like that. 45:25.053 --> 45:26.254 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's not one to one. 45:26.955 --> 45:31.016 [SPEAKER_00]: some of photons can get through the green that aren't perfect. 45:31.056 --> 45:33.977 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, or they just have like more blues or something, I don't remember. 45:33.997 --> 45:36.737 [SPEAKER_04]: There's like some part of it where they like, it's not linear. 45:36.757 --> 45:41.018 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like equal because like the sensors are like better at detecting. 45:41.038 --> 45:45.099 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's double the green because our eyes are more sensitive to green. 45:45.279 --> 45:46.800 [SPEAKER_04]: So then yeah, it could be something like that. 45:47.000 --> 45:47.560 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember. 45:47.880 --> 45:54.141 [SPEAKER_04]: So like I could imagine in like, if you're measuring X or maybe you have like a bear pattern for energies 45:57.262 --> 45:57.763 [SPEAKER_04]: a filter. 45:57.883 --> 45:59.864 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was thinking by like my gradient. 45:59.904 --> 46:06.949 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it's like one sensor on the bottom with just a shit ton of pixels and then like a like a yeah a material that gets progressively. 46:07.049 --> 46:07.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:08.290 --> 46:13.774 [SPEAKER_04]: So you could you technically actually have like way more pixels on a camera than just, you know, RGB. 46:14.094 --> 46:15.295 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, four times. 46:15.315 --> 46:16.716 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, resolution. 46:17.717 --> 46:21.380 [SPEAKER_04]: But you're using it, you know, on top of itself rather than making a wider image. 46:22.485 --> 46:33.410 [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know, I literally have no idea, but I all I can think of is I would love to see an example of a photo graph, not a shadow gram or whatever, of an exit. 46:33.450 --> 46:35.271 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'll be ever seeing an example of that. 46:35.291 --> 46:39.533 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's actually like what they do at the airport with a really scatter imaging. 46:39.753 --> 46:40.774 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not the x-rays, right? 46:41.394 --> 46:41.914 [SPEAKER_00]: They used to be. 46:41.934 --> 46:42.595 [SPEAKER_04]: At least to be. 46:42.635 --> 46:44.996 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so like, you know, when you go put your arms up in the machine. 46:45.016 --> 46:45.276 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:45.416 --> 46:48.757 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh, God, I don't talk about, I just got my fucking penis touch by two. 46:51.292 --> 46:52.573 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whoa, what happened? 46:52.633 --> 46:56.956 [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, it took, okay, so this is going on a whole other rabbit hole. 46:58.457 --> 47:00.058 [SPEAKER_04]: But I hadn't slept like 40 hours, right? 47:00.098 --> 47:01.539 [SPEAKER_04]: We did a hackathon at Utah. 47:01.759 --> 47:02.059 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 47:02.099 --> 47:09.084 [SPEAKER_04]: We're at the airport and I go through the thing which inevitably leads some touching my penis. 47:09.624 --> 47:11.165 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know why they touched my penis? 47:12.926 --> 47:15.428 [SPEAKER_04]: You know why the TSA man touched my penis, even he gets. 47:16.830 --> 47:28.152 [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, to be honest, you were wearing two pairs of underwear because on the screen of the detector around my crotch was a big square that's out of abnormally to tell you. 47:28.272 --> 47:38.774 [SPEAKER_04]: Haha, not you, and then he, he brings me over and he says, uh, I got to pat you down and then he like gives me a whole spiel and he's like, do you want to do it? 47:38.835 --> 47:40.935 [SPEAKER_04]: Here you want to go in a room and I was like, whatever you want. 47:43.215 --> 47:46.038 [SPEAKER_04]: You like spread your legs or like get in there. 47:49.220 --> 47:52.203 [SPEAKER_04]: So I guess the follow-up question is, do they have a picture of my penis? 47:52.884 --> 47:54.225 [SPEAKER_04]: Or is it a shadow of my penis? 47:55.025 --> 47:57.548 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's like it's more of a picture. 47:57.568 --> 47:58.008 [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck! 47:58.549 --> 47:59.089 [SPEAKER_00]: No! 48:00.710 --> 48:01.091 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:01.851 --> 48:01.972 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. 48:02.232 --> 48:02.892 [SPEAKER_00]: John pull it up. 48:03.813 --> 48:04.614 [SPEAKER_00]: Pull up the cot cam. 48:07.052 --> 48:09.753 [SPEAKER_00]: No, so how the fuck does that work? 48:09.793 --> 48:11.253 [SPEAKER_04]: These are like the giant parallel ones. 48:11.333 --> 48:13.194 [SPEAKER_04]: No, there's no spin anymore. 48:13.234 --> 48:13.834 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it the same thing? 48:14.214 --> 48:14.854 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing. 48:15.375 --> 48:17.415 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, like, I think using like what millimeter wave? 48:17.675 --> 48:17.955 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:17.975 --> 48:20.036 [SPEAKER_04]: And then how does it happen in it? 48:20.676 --> 48:26.558 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know any more, but maybe it goes through you, but I don't think so, but it might. 48:26.618 --> 48:27.558 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it bounces off. 48:28.239 --> 48:29.299 [SPEAKER_00]: But like metallic things. 48:29.459 --> 48:30.540 [SPEAKER_04]: and then like, what captures it? 48:31.460 --> 48:31.941 [SPEAKER_00]: A sensor. 48:32.381 --> 48:34.683 [SPEAKER_00]: But then, it's also a light center. 48:34.703 --> 48:35.643 [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird, isn't it? 48:35.863 --> 48:38.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Even radio waves aren't light. 48:38.225 --> 48:40.366 [SPEAKER_04]: This is like an orthographic image basically. 48:40.687 --> 48:44.809 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it just captures like almost like a scan rather than like a photograph at a single point. 48:45.450 --> 48:46.350 [SPEAKER_04]: Or not basically a point. 48:46.571 --> 48:49.052 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it is more of like a full- Your CAD model. 48:49.713 --> 48:50.133 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:51.579 --> 48:53.100 [SPEAKER_04]: That's also really fucking weird, right? 48:53.200 --> 48:56.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Look up, John, I guess TSA, um, X-ray, backscatter. 48:57.061 --> 48:58.542 [SPEAKER_04]: Picking up your abs normality. 48:58.802 --> 48:59.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not only. 49:02.423 --> 49:11.387 [SPEAKER_04]: I was so fucking out of it, dude, that I almost what was it, do you feel like you're no, I just have apparently a enormous leave photographable penis. 49:11.587 --> 49:13.648 [SPEAKER_00]: There's, I was nothing. 49:14.765 --> 49:17.946 [SPEAKER_00]: They've had my knees down, both of them, yeah. 49:17.966 --> 49:18.747 [SPEAKER_04]: Got lumpy knees. 49:18.767 --> 49:19.487 [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe. 49:19.507 --> 49:21.828 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's guys got bombs in his knees. 49:21.888 --> 49:22.428 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 49:25.549 --> 49:26.430 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you find anything done? 49:29.231 --> 49:30.271 [SPEAKER_04]: Paint without paint in a Senate? 49:31.132 --> 49:31.752 [SPEAKER_00]: No, put it in. 49:31.812 --> 49:33.193 [SPEAKER_00]: So everybody knows what it looks like. 49:33.213 --> 49:33.613 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, show. 49:33.653 --> 49:38.795 [SPEAKER_04]: I want to know what my weiner looks like in the millimeter wave scanner, that then was followed up by getting touched by TSA agent. 49:39.755 --> 49:41.816 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we take my fucking laptop out of the bag, too. 49:41.876 --> 49:43.937 [SPEAKER_04]: I felt like just totally dehumanized. 49:45.363 --> 50:11.527 [SPEAKER_04]: I really was, I was so fucked though, like at 40 hours of not sleeping, I was ready to say anything to that man, and I should have just like, okay, here's a question, if I am at the airport, and I'm going through TSA, and the scanner picks up an abnormality in my penis region, and they call me over and they start patting me down and while patting me down, I start moaning, do I get in trouble? 50:13.752 --> 50:14.272 [SPEAKER_00]: No, nothing. 50:15.033 --> 50:16.933 [SPEAKER_04]: So I should have done it. 50:17.294 --> 50:20.115 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like genuinely so tired. 50:20.495 --> 50:25.977 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I bet that's the highlight of some people's week You know seeing me morning on the TSA just we had them. 50:26.037 --> 50:26.297 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 50:26.377 --> 50:27.598 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty high resolution well. 50:28.698 --> 50:35.641 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh No, it's full penis How could what possibly 50:39.808 --> 50:43.751 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, how the, what did you, what did you search out? 50:45.853 --> 50:47.134 [SPEAKER_00]: That's horrible. 50:47.454 --> 50:49.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do they see the side too? 50:49.516 --> 50:50.696 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't, I think that's a demo. 50:50.817 --> 50:53.639 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, unless this is the one that goes, whoo, spins around you. 50:53.679 --> 50:55.400 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I see what you're talking about. 50:55.460 --> 50:57.562 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's actually just taking a picture from both sides. 50:57.582 --> 50:58.322 [SPEAKER_04]: Like that's what's happening. 50:58.342 --> 50:59.743 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what both of the panels are now. 50:59.763 --> 51:01.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause yeah, the flat ones that don't move, yeah. 51:03.066 --> 51:03.466 [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. 51:08.402 --> 51:20.974 [SPEAKER_00]: That's uh, and they have to have people that have people in a different room that just look at these pictures all day and and uh, like click on your body to send to like tell the other people to search you there. 51:21.755 --> 51:32.245 [SPEAKER_01]: So they don't see what you look like all they see is what everything else, yeah, allegedly Kevin yeah, and they don't see what you looked like allegedly allegedly is actually people looking at it. 51:33.410 --> 51:42.642 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what the operator, but like at the airport, who's who's flagging things somebody gets the fucking but cheek picture somebody in a different room. 51:44.023 --> 51:44.784 [SPEAKER_00]: What's on you? 51:44.824 --> 51:46.326 [SPEAKER_00]: We're off to any flagged. 51:47.119 --> 51:48.460 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it actually human looking at it? 51:48.740 --> 51:49.180 [SPEAKER_00]: There was. 51:49.220 --> 51:53.202 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the new one's uh, there's not any more people have any idea. 51:53.222 --> 52:00.146 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, like, like, has anyone actually done like a proper explanation of like, what that fucking thing does at the airport? 52:00.446 --> 52:02.287 [SPEAKER_04]: People would lose their goddamn minds. 52:02.527 --> 52:02.787 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. 52:02.947 --> 52:08.650 [SPEAKER_04]: The fact that we, I feel like I have never seen that before, like you can straight up see that man's penis. 52:09.010 --> 52:09.271 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 52:09.571 --> 52:10.011 [SPEAKER_04]: And ball. 52:10.131 --> 52:11.692 [SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to go in with a rager. 52:11.992 --> 52:12.292 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 52:12.852 --> 52:15.234 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that's why I got how the side. 52:16.472 --> 52:19.180 [SPEAKER_04]: You're like, sir, I think it's dangerous. 52:19.241 --> 52:20.043 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 52:20.103 --> 52:23.213 [SPEAKER_02]: Holy fuck. 52:24.558 --> 52:27.039 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't with the TSA literally is spying on our penises. 52:27.119 --> 52:32.563 [SPEAKER_04]: And I say spying on our phone calls and our emails, the TSA is spying on our penises. 52:33.043 --> 52:40.087 [SPEAKER_04]: You know the face picture, you know, when you go to a certain point, apparently that's going to go into some database that like tracks how your face changes over the years. 52:40.107 --> 52:47.711 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's all like surveillance technology that the government pays for, and then someone else is like using the data for some other books. 52:47.771 --> 52:52.073 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, and with all the cameras, they definitely can put a penis to a face. 52:52.174 --> 52:52.514 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 52:53.154 --> 52:58.396 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean really, I feel like I apparently for me, it's not that hard anymore to figure it out. 52:58.856 --> 53:02.077 [SPEAKER_04]: They know how many of us could they possibly be. 53:05.258 --> 53:14.742 [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, I really want to know, I really want to know what, how I got tipped, like, oh yeah, tipped it off for me. 53:15.918 --> 53:38.645 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know maybe you moved and it just looked blurry or something maybe I don't remember to work maybe even parted in your like butt cheeks clap together and then yeah but it was an abnormal abnormality on the front at the bag maybe you cough I don't remember coffee um were you saying before you reminded me of getting a penis test by TSA 53:40.462 --> 53:41.402 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how the machines work. 53:41.882 --> 53:43.283 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're talking about the machine. 53:43.303 --> 53:43.923 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everything. 53:44.863 --> 53:45.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I had an idea. 53:45.964 --> 53:49.065 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe you can smuggle something through an X-ray scanner. 53:49.245 --> 53:50.425 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, a luggage scanner. 53:50.445 --> 53:51.206 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you definitely could. 53:51.466 --> 53:56.427 [SPEAKER_00]: No, by taking advantage of the fact that the sensors are stationary, and it's one line. 53:56.447 --> 53:57.148 [SPEAKER_04]: They don't do that anymore. 53:57.928 --> 53:59.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of that, well, they do, unless you get that. 53:59.989 --> 54:04.170 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I think that, I think that it's, that's, I don't know. 54:04.190 --> 54:04.750 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's fuck. 54:04.810 --> 54:07.651 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that they are basically, because I had the same idea. 54:10.853 --> 54:15.476 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, or just like angling in the correct orientation where like neither array can pick it up. 54:15.516 --> 54:18.378 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm thinking you have like a spring loaded device like say have a knife. 54:18.539 --> 54:18.799 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 54:18.999 --> 54:25.984 [SPEAKER_00]: And you have like a rubber band that's like wants to pull it and then you like release it as it goes over the x-ray machine. 54:26.004 --> 54:27.505 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like rips it through the scanner. 54:27.805 --> 54:29.586 [SPEAKER_00]: So it only looks like it's like a little blip. 54:29.706 --> 54:31.508 [SPEAKER_04]: That's actually a really funny knife. 54:32.448 --> 54:32.949 [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, you should. 54:33.089 --> 54:35.470 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like I think the 54:36.431 --> 54:43.273 [SPEAKER_01]: My, because we kind of wanted to make a video where it's like trying to beat the, uh, the scanners, but that's my idea. 54:43.293 --> 54:44.273 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my idea. 54:44.293 --> 54:46.053 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that was my idea. 54:46.073 --> 54:46.793 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my idea. 54:46.813 --> 54:47.114 [SPEAKER_00]: Kevin. 54:47.134 --> 54:47.474 [SPEAKER_01]: Kevin. 54:48.234 --> 54:48.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Kevin. 54:48.654 --> 54:48.894 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 54:48.914 --> 54:49.394 [SPEAKER_01]: Step one. 54:49.474 --> 54:50.594 [SPEAKER_01]: Get an X-ray scanner. 54:50.654 --> 54:52.975 [SPEAKER_04]: I was trying before open saw so hard. 54:52.995 --> 54:55.355 [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to buy one for like $900 years ago. 54:55.375 --> 54:58.976 [SPEAKER_04]: I was, I, are you sure you guys haven't stolen this idea from me? 54:58.996 --> 54:59.116 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 54:59.196 --> 55:02.637 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like literally, I was, I was talking about it before open saw last year. 55:06.738 --> 55:29.279 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you remember my regardless regardless regardless what I was gonna say is Yeah, yeah, yeah, my feeling Very you know, very surface level Fuck you that it's you know, I'm saying is that it's very hard It's sorry, it's very easy to Get past the scanner. 55:29.319 --> 55:29.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah 55:31.945 --> 55:45.424 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it was only the scanner and a monkey looking at it or you'd be it'd be like so easy, but the fact that there's like a person looking at it where they will search you if they don't know what they're seeing. 55:46.660 --> 55:52.923 [SPEAKER_01]: I find that makes it way more difficult and the x-ray the way that it's done is it shoots it at like a weird angle. 55:52.963 --> 56:03.428 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like kind of 45 degrees almost so it's like even standing something up I don't even know how you would stand something up so that it would appear. 56:04.993 --> 56:18.102 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like perfectly flat on the on the x-ray, but I'm pretty sure they're trained that it's like if they see something that's super dope like super opaque and they don't know what it is they just pull your bag aside. 56:18.502 --> 56:22.085 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just kind of like we were messing around being like, how do you block? 56:23.125 --> 56:28.148 [SPEAKER_01]: uh uh a knife going through and it was kind of funny it was this is interesting for the video. 56:28.709 --> 56:37.154 [SPEAKER_01]: We put a knife and then we put two cast iron pots on top in the bottom and you just see a knife like the pots are like it completely pointless. 56:37.794 --> 56:37.954 [SPEAKER_01]: So 56:39.275 --> 56:57.922 [SPEAKER_01]: to block the knife the only way that we did is I put an old I put a lead acid battery down and I'm like well great it blocked it there's just a gigantic square of where there's nothing I have a lot of ideas I think you don't actually want to block the object from being seen 56:58.982 --> 57:10.430 [SPEAKER_04]: know you don't I think what you want to do I think this is more of a psychology problem unless of a technical talent yeah what's the thing that is sharp but doesn't look like a knife 57:12.418 --> 57:13.939 [SPEAKER_04]: literally fucking anything with an edge. 57:14.639 --> 57:17.040 [SPEAKER_04]: Just make your knife in the shape of something that's not a fucking knife. 57:17.621 --> 57:17.901 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. 57:18.281 --> 57:18.821 [SPEAKER_04]: Like that's it. 57:18.901 --> 57:26.985 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's actually sort of embarrassing, but but I think the thing that gets it even like Dumber is don't bring a knife. 57:27.105 --> 57:28.506 [SPEAKER_01]: How depends on the knife you want. 57:29.166 --> 57:36.730 [SPEAKER_01]: Just go through airport security normally and then go to the steak restaurant that they probably have there and just take the knife with you. 57:37.289 --> 57:41.070 [SPEAKER_00]: What if I bring like a flat piece of steel and a sharpening stone? 57:41.310 --> 57:45.612 [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, you don't even need the sharpening sun, just sharpened the steel before you go. 57:45.632 --> 57:48.213 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, if you go, I'm sorry, you're lying. 57:48.473 --> 57:50.653 [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, I think it's literally you and knife. 57:50.833 --> 57:52.614 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a knife because it doesn't look like a knife. 57:53.152 --> 57:59.596 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if you have a if you literally just have like a sheet of steel in there, it's like, let's say it's a laptop mount to like hold your laptop up. 57:59.996 --> 58:00.216 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 58:00.256 --> 58:00.657 [SPEAKER_04]: And just one. 58:00.677 --> 58:01.978 [SPEAKER_04]: I just really fucking sharp. 58:02.378 --> 58:04.679 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I could sharpen the edges of my MacBook. 58:04.699 --> 58:06.300 [SPEAKER_05]: That's exactly what I'm saying. 58:06.320 --> 58:06.841 [SPEAKER_00]: Frisbee it. 58:07.081 --> 58:11.584 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you could literally cut entire row of of heads off on the plane. 58:12.224 --> 58:13.285 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God, how good are you? 58:15.585 --> 58:20.948 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm certain that you could take like, I'm not saying that I'm every object and fucking just sharpen it. 58:21.268 --> 58:21.929 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's good. 58:22.309 --> 58:24.250 [SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to look at him like, oh, it's a laptop. 58:24.630 --> 58:28.553 [SPEAKER_04]: And they have no idea that you're about to cut 15 heads off in one swoop. 58:28.873 --> 58:31.455 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, also, you know, the wire EDM machining? 58:31.475 --> 58:31.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 58:31.615 --> 58:33.816 [SPEAKER_00]: How they get the two pieces that perfectly fit together? 58:33.976 --> 58:34.576 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 58:34.596 --> 58:35.837 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they could do that. 58:36.578 --> 58:38.038 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it really, I don't know. 58:38.379 --> 58:43.162 [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like the more I think about them, I realize that it's, I mean, I have my, my pitch is the whole, um, 58:44.142 --> 58:48.385 [SPEAKER_04]: the terrorism fund or if your terrorist attack you get to split this up in billion dollars. 58:48.646 --> 58:48.926 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 58:49.086 --> 58:54.970 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think, I think, honestly, I don't really trust any of it that much. 58:54.990 --> 58:59.514 [SPEAKER_04]: And anybody that's really motivated to do it is going to get anything through that they would like to get through. 58:59.534 --> 58:59.614 [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. 59:01.255 --> 59:10.640 [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, next time you go on an airplane, just think about that, the TSA basically is doing almost nothing except stopping people from bringing things on the plane that accidentally. 59:10.680 --> 59:18.705 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because if the your two options are blowing yourself up on plane or not blowing yourself up on a plane most people tend to actually it's crazy. 59:18.745 --> 59:24.648 [SPEAKER_00]: So like if you want to get like you're already planning on blowing yourself up on a plane, so you're probably you don't care what the you don't care. 59:26.849 --> 59:30.592 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it really does bug my mind how like 99.99% of people that fly on airplanes have no intention of blowing themselves up on the plane. 59:30.612 --> 59:30.752 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. 59:30.772 --> 59:30.872 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 59:31.012 --> 59:48.044 [SPEAKER_04]: It might even be more nines, point nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine 59:49.961 --> 59:54.423 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and it was worth we were we were in Utah this weekend. 59:56.063 --> 59:58.864 [SPEAKER_04]: And this is where I didn't sleep for 40 hours. 59:58.904 --> 01:00:07.387 [SPEAKER_04]: I woke up at like 9 a.m. And I went to bed at midnight the next day and I slept for one hour on the plane home. 01:00:09.052 --> 01:00:13.895 [SPEAKER_04]: So that is what 38 or 40 hours non-stop. 01:00:14.575 --> 01:00:15.956 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh boy, it's pretty good. 01:00:16.256 --> 01:00:21.038 [SPEAKER_04]: I think before that it was like 32 hours from like the first hackathon, the first sauce that we did. 01:00:21.839 --> 01:00:22.999 [SPEAKER_04]: And that was crazy. 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.182 [SPEAKER_04]: There's something like bizarre that happens though when you stay up that long. 01:00:27.542 --> 01:00:31.044 [SPEAKER_04]: Your body almost like sort of just like relinquishes. 01:00:31.104 --> 01:00:37.527 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like, okay, like you're not in tip top shape, but you're not like tired. 01:00:38.019 --> 01:00:38.359 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 01:00:38.419 --> 01:00:39.420 [SPEAKER_00]: I know what you're talking about. 01:00:39.580 --> 01:00:40.020 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:00:40.040 --> 01:00:40.921 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:00:41.221 --> 01:00:41.781 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not. 01:00:42.662 --> 01:00:45.383 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you know, it's not good. 01:00:45.724 --> 01:00:48.405 [SPEAKER_00]: You're your resigned to the fact that you're not going to sleep. 01:00:48.425 --> 01:00:49.986 [SPEAKER_00]: So you stopped caring about going. 01:00:50.006 --> 01:00:50.286 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:00:50.847 --> 01:00:52.488 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you just sort of keep going. 01:00:52.508 --> 01:00:55.990 [SPEAKER_04]: It's almost like you're just sort of drunk though, but you're not tired. 01:00:56.310 --> 01:00:57.911 [SPEAKER_04]: You just sort of like accepted. 01:00:57.931 --> 01:00:59.151 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, we're not going to bed. 01:00:59.171 --> 01:01:00.132 [SPEAKER_04]: We can't go to bed. 01:01:00.152 --> 01:01:02.273 [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to keep doing things. 01:01:02.313 --> 01:01:05.235 [SPEAKER_04]: But the things you do are just sort of like way less effective than when 01:01:07.316 --> 01:01:25.781 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and because I was like speed cadding for like 24 hours straight, trying to build the most fucking horrible thing ever, um, we did, we did the hackathon at Ashcut, uh, which is a company that does like machining on demand, right? 01:01:25.821 --> 01:01:32.103 [SPEAKER_04]: So you know when you like you want to get a part made, and you're like, all right, cool, you got a local machine shop, you realize that local machine 01:01:35.304 --> 01:01:40.508 [SPEAKER_04]: And if they do exist, it's $9,000 to cut a part because they're asshole. 01:01:40.528 --> 01:01:41.168 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:01:41.268 --> 01:01:45.571 [SPEAKER_04]: So Oshka basically is like a web machine job, right? 01:01:45.851 --> 01:01:45.991 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. 01:01:46.692 --> 01:01:48.353 [SPEAKER_04]: And they let us host the hackathon there. 01:01:48.393 --> 01:01:53.397 [SPEAKER_04]: So every single contestant, every team had access to this, 01:01:54.437 --> 01:01:57.319 [SPEAKER_04]: uh, this insane machine shop pipeline. 01:01:57.339 --> 01:02:05.946 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like, like, automated interface where you just send parts to it, the system determines if they can make the part, which includes like cutting and bending. 01:02:06.466 --> 01:02:11.310 [SPEAKER_04]: And the pay for the part, which we did not have to pay, we everyone just was on like the company account. 01:02:12.070 --> 01:02:15.772 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it appears like 10 minutes later it gets like into the machine shop. 01:02:15.792 --> 01:02:19.393 [SPEAKER_04]: The operator goes into like pulls material off a rack Which it on cuts it bends it. 01:02:19.433 --> 01:02:20.794 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like very fast. 01:02:20.854 --> 01:02:31.198 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they also have like a two-bender machine two-bender and and a laser cutter You can cut and then bend Fucking crazy part 01:02:31.798 --> 01:02:39.449 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and so it's like, you know, everything you do is essentially like cast to be CAD, because you don't actually have to cut any parts out yourself. 01:02:40.150 --> 01:02:44.516 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I was just like freaking burning through. 01:02:45.072 --> 01:02:49.554 [SPEAKER_00]: And the cool part about it, I mean, is like you, you upload the 3D file, right? 01:02:49.574 --> 01:02:52.036 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to like, try to, oh, yeah, yeah, set up the dimensions. 01:02:52.056 --> 01:02:59.840 [SPEAKER_04]: I've uploaded a bent part that you have, like, have your bent part that you made in your CAD, and then you upload it, you don't have to make a fucking flat pattern. 01:02:59.980 --> 01:03:00.400 [SPEAKER_05]: Anything. 01:03:00.460 --> 01:03:01.741 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you just hard placates it. 01:03:01.781 --> 01:03:02.581 [SPEAKER_04]: It's so sick. 01:03:02.661 --> 01:03:09.745 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, they figure out all the bends for you, and then it like simulates on their machines, or like, they have models of the machines that are basically simulates on. 01:03:10.205 --> 01:03:13.726 [SPEAKER_04]: And the website too, you had play and it shows you the simulation. 01:03:13.886 --> 01:03:14.147 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:03:14.287 --> 01:03:17.128 [SPEAKER_04]: And so if there's a collision, it won't let you submit the part. 01:03:17.668 --> 01:03:20.549 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, you know, I don't really order a whole lot of parts. 01:03:20.569 --> 01:03:21.990 [SPEAKER_04]: Some other people would try to make everything ourselves. 01:03:22.390 --> 01:03:26.291 [SPEAKER_04]: But there's this nightmare when you try to hire someone to do something. 01:03:26.391 --> 01:03:28.512 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they try to tell you, like, oh, won't work because of this. 01:03:28.532 --> 01:03:29.973 [SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, well, what do you mean because of what? 01:03:30.773 --> 01:03:36.861 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you have to, like, try to explain to you why I won't work and that entire, like, pipeline is removed. 01:03:37.302 --> 01:03:40.626 [SPEAKER_04]: And so you just know that your part can be made if the website takes it. 01:03:41.487 --> 01:03:46.453 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I, I think the original idea, what we were trying to do, we're trying to make the CVT. 01:03:47.496 --> 01:03:47.816 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 01:03:48.456 --> 01:03:53.458 [SPEAKER_04]: Like a mechanical CVT, like no rotation, just like a linear to rotary CVT. 01:03:53.638 --> 01:03:53.918 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:03:54.098 --> 01:04:02.300 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we realized that it would be way too low of a gear issue, because like the mechanical design that we found only makes the gear issue lower. 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:02.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:04:02.560 --> 01:04:05.561 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything was supposed to be like pedal powered basically like a go cart. 01:04:05.581 --> 01:04:13.243 [SPEAKER_00]: So we brought, yeah, bought 20 bikes for people to like take apart in salvage and then rebuild into something more interesting than a bike. 01:04:13.572 --> 01:04:21.295 [SPEAKER_04]: Because like, yeah, so it was essentially like you're making like a go car out of a bicycle and I never I didn't think about this, but like apparently bicycle gears. 01:04:21.395 --> 01:04:22.416 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, and I just here's a question. 01:04:22.436 --> 01:04:32.420 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you know this off top of your head in a manual car, when you put it into first gear, is it is the gear issue positive or is it less than one? 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.221 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, do you are you increasing our pms or decreasing our pms of the tire? 01:04:37.888 --> 01:04:39.230 [SPEAKER_01]: In, sorry, what? 01:04:39.330 --> 01:04:40.551 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you increasing your deep? 01:04:40.591 --> 01:04:40.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:04:40.812 --> 01:04:40.952 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:04:40.972 --> 01:04:41.493 [SPEAKER_01]: So the gear. 01:04:41.513 --> 01:04:49.062 [SPEAKER_04]: So the first gear on a, like, when you're manual, like a manual car that you've had this first gear, I guess you'll make is the gear's big. 01:04:49.202 --> 01:04:50.644 [SPEAKER_01]: So it spins slow. 01:04:50.664 --> 01:04:51.685 [SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea. 01:04:51.825 --> 01:04:56.531 [SPEAKER_04]: What about like the highest gear does that make the tire spin fast in the engine or slower in the engine? 01:04:59.556 --> 01:05:02.157 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I guess I guess fast. 01:05:02.558 --> 01:05:03.878 [SPEAKER_01]: There's the engine. 01:05:04.198 --> 01:05:07.720 [SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea, but with bicycles, the gear issue is higher, right? 01:05:07.740 --> 01:05:15.523 [SPEAKER_04]: So when you pedal each time you pedal, even at the lowest gear issue, I think it might, it's still like a lot of one going fast. 01:05:15.583 --> 01:05:17.564 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so still making the wheels spin faster. 01:05:18.084 --> 01:05:24.987 [SPEAKER_04]: And so when we like realize that with the making like a mechanical CVT, like, just trying to do something stupid, it was like, oh, shit. 01:05:26.448 --> 01:05:35.973 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to pedal 10 times for like one rotation yeah or do like a whole other stack of gear so it's like all right fuck this And it's like why not just use the gears at that point. 01:05:36.013 --> 01:05:36.313 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 01:05:36.493 --> 01:05:41.015 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the next idea Well on the worst gear of a bike. 01:05:41.095 --> 01:05:43.716 [SPEAKER_01]: I see worst gear the one like the hill climber high gear. 01:05:43.736 --> 01:05:44.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I 01:05:46.945 --> 01:05:50.027 [SPEAKER_01]: feel like you end up falling below one, but it feels yeah, I don't know. 01:05:50.047 --> 01:05:52.709 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like four pedals per one turn of the wheel. 01:05:52.950 --> 01:05:54.671 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what it feels like. 01:05:54.731 --> 01:05:55.231 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it is. 01:05:55.251 --> 01:05:56.012 [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe size. 01:05:56.692 --> 01:05:58.434 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know. 01:05:58.834 --> 01:06:00.355 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you think it is still. 01:06:00.415 --> 01:06:01.756 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that's the one. 01:06:02.117 --> 01:06:04.218 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it only gets harder from there. 01:06:04.318 --> 01:06:05.059 [SPEAKER_04]: I think yeah. 01:06:05.779 --> 01:06:06.080 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 01:06:07.041 --> 01:06:08.522 [SPEAKER_04]: At least that's what I was finding online. 01:06:08.662 --> 01:06:08.923 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:06:09.183 --> 01:06:10.905 [SPEAKER_04]: So I was like through this. 01:06:10.925 --> 01:06:14.168 [SPEAKER_04]: So then I was like, what if it's like a walking? 01:06:14.488 --> 01:06:15.229 [SPEAKER_04]: What if it walks? 01:06:15.890 --> 01:06:16.951 [SPEAKER_04]: Like a walking mechanism? 01:06:18.664 --> 01:06:32.068 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and then, and so then the next 24 hours was spent trying to design and manufacture and build a, a go car, a pedal powered go car that walks instead of like the strand beast like a strand. 01:06:32.208 --> 01:06:40.110 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, um, but it was a bit more complicated than that because I wanted to like sandwich everything together to not have to deal with like a bunch of like, 01:06:48.072 --> 01:06:53.434 [SPEAKER_04]: uh that just allowed everything to be stacked together with like basically literally zero nuts and bolts. 01:06:54.975 --> 01:07:04.099 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, once I I once we realized a CVT wasn't gonna work and you told me your new plan, I said I'm gonna make roller skates and then you pick the right one. 01:07:04.139 --> 01:07:12.262 [SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing I felt like there was nothing I could do to help you at this point because it's like in your head and like you just had to tinker to get it to work. 01:07:12.342 --> 01:07:13.944 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how people make those things, dude. 01:07:14.245 --> 01:07:17.029 [SPEAKER_04]: I, like, it was so fucking confusing. 01:07:17.049 --> 01:07:19.152 [SPEAKER_04]: Trying to get any of that to work. 01:07:19.973 --> 01:07:23.398 [SPEAKER_04]: Like even, even just the weird mechanism for the walking. 01:07:23.418 --> 01:07:24.419 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:07:24.459 --> 01:07:28.685 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, it was like, how to pick the leg up, go forward, where it's, and then, 01:07:28.845 --> 01:07:52.287 [SPEAKER_04]: Like converting rotation to like like a like a sort of like walking like a circular motion to like a oval Hershey kiss was like the profile that I found it's like so like kind of like looked at other people's mechanisms and then just did like some basic sketches and cad to you know kind of play with like the sketch geometry And it still came out like backed up it like sort of worse it like looks cool and that's pretty much it 01:07:53.378 --> 01:07:54.360 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks hell-a-cool. 01:07:54.500 --> 01:08:01.550 [SPEAKER_04]: It does look sick, but it definitely doesn't fucking work, and you absolutely cannot write it, but they move. 01:08:02.252 --> 01:08:04.593 [SPEAKER_00]: They do, but I knew that you were tired. 01:08:05.713 --> 01:08:09.055 [SPEAKER_00]: I came in, I slept for like six hours of the hotel. 01:08:09.295 --> 01:08:12.516 [SPEAKER_00]: And I came back and I'm like, oh, I know will hasn't slept. 01:08:12.576 --> 01:08:18.778 [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're sitting there, like you can't keep a thought in your head and you're talking to the computer, like, copy this part, copy this part, copy this part, copy this part. 01:08:18.858 --> 01:08:19.578 [SPEAKER_00]: Three millimeters. 01:08:19.598 --> 01:08:20.979 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to make this part three millimeters. 01:08:20.999 --> 01:08:22.980 [SPEAKER_00]: This part right here is three millimeters in diameter. 01:08:23.360 --> 01:08:25.140 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like walking yourself through every step. 01:08:25.160 --> 01:08:27.781 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the only way to keep anything in your shirts or memories. 01:08:27.861 --> 01:08:29.082 [SPEAKER_04]: Say you got a lot at that point. 01:08:29.884 --> 01:08:32.315 [SPEAKER_04]: Just rubber duck to, you know, debugging. 01:08:32.435 --> 01:08:32.736 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:08:33.926 --> 01:08:41.668 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think, you know what I, I don't know, I really don't like staying up like that. 01:08:42.449 --> 01:08:48.751 [SPEAKER_04]: It does things like it like fucks with every party or body, like it fucks with my stomach. 01:08:49.951 --> 01:08:52.452 [SPEAKER_04]: It fucks with mostly my stomach. 01:08:53.232 --> 01:08:54.313 [SPEAKER_04]: Like that's a mistake. 01:08:54.713 --> 01:09:01.435 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it almost like some just weird thing that happens where your body like it's that acceptance, like, 01:09:02.295 --> 01:09:02.815 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 01:09:03.296 --> 01:09:04.116 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying? 01:09:04.176 --> 01:09:10.559 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's like we're gonna start shutting things down or something. 01:09:10.599 --> 01:09:10.879 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:09:10.899 --> 01:09:11.800 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:09:13.501 --> 01:09:14.461 [SPEAKER_04]: Just like weird. 01:09:15.863 --> 01:09:23.546 [SPEAKER_04]: Not like anything bad, but just like, you know, just we feel weird in ways other than just being tired. 01:09:23.826 --> 01:09:27.207 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I had something cut at one o'clock in the morning. 01:09:27.607 --> 01:09:32.329 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was already pretty tired and it came out and I realized it was like completely wrong. 01:09:32.349 --> 01:09:36.810 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, hmm, well, I know I'm not going to get anything done for the rest of the night. 01:09:36.930 --> 01:09:39.691 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I like overlooked something pretty obvious. 01:09:39.751 --> 01:09:42.212 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, pretty spectacularly. 01:09:42.678 --> 01:09:46.061 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't get to use the tube vendor which was kind of sad or the tube cutter too. 01:09:46.141 --> 01:10:00.011 [SPEAKER_04]: I like how to couple of parts that I submitted at the end and there was no time so they had already shut the machines down, but I wish that I lived next to that place. 01:10:00.331 --> 01:10:00.751 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 01:10:02.877 --> 01:10:07.778 [SPEAKER_00]: I already, uh, we got back, I got back yesterday and today I was like uploading parts to it to see it. 01:10:07.838 --> 01:10:08.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Really to see it. 01:10:08.478 --> 01:10:08.718 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:10:08.738 --> 01:10:09.038 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:10:09.499 --> 01:10:10.039 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:10:10.059 --> 01:10:15.500 [SPEAKER_04]: Because even, you know, like the bends, like I built, I like made this awesome trade. 01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:19.721 [SPEAKER_04]: That was like the entire chassis of my go car out of eighth inch aluminum, right? 01:10:19.741 --> 01:10:20.801 [SPEAKER_04]: Like eighth inch aluminum sheet. 01:10:20.821 --> 01:10:24.122 [SPEAKER_04]: Like when you think eighth inch aluminum, you don't think like, oh, it's very strong. 01:10:24.442 --> 01:10:26.203 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you think you can fold it in half like 10 points. 01:10:26.243 --> 01:10:26.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:10:26.783 --> 01:10:29.024 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you would fuck it up if you if you put your weight on it. 01:10:29.224 --> 01:10:29.444 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:10:29.704 --> 01:10:32.405 [SPEAKER_04]: And because it was like 30 inches long and you're supposed to sit on it. 01:10:32.845 --> 01:10:39.267 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just put a couple of bends like I cut out pockets in the middle and then bent the the edges up and then around the perimeter as well. 01:10:39.968 --> 01:10:43.409 [SPEAKER_05]: And like they were able to do the internal bands, they were able to take it was just like. 01:10:44.049 --> 01:10:44.409 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah. 01:10:44.489 --> 01:10:45.710 [SPEAKER_04]: So good. 01:10:45.990 --> 01:10:50.212 [SPEAKER_04]: And it was so stiff and it was extremely stiff for how light it was. 01:10:50.232 --> 01:10:54.234 [SPEAKER_04]: Some of the teams, like, you know, a lot of people were new to building things mechanically. 01:10:54.254 --> 01:10:56.795 [SPEAKER_04]: They were using like fucking forage steel tubes. 01:10:56.815 --> 01:10:57.435 [SPEAKER_04]: I saw that. 01:10:57.475 --> 01:10:58.916 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got deaf. 01:10:58.936 --> 01:10:59.656 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you guys doing? 01:11:00.216 --> 01:11:03.998 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw somebody that cut a bunch of aluminum square tubing, you know, like, three inch tubing. 01:11:04.238 --> 01:11:08.460 [SPEAKER_00]: And they just cut it in like sections to weld together to make their their frame. 01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:11.421 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, you know, you have a laser tube tube cutter. 01:11:11.821 --> 01:11:13.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he kind of done all this. 01:11:13.803 --> 01:11:14.344 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, once done. 01:11:14.364 --> 01:11:17.006 [SPEAKER_00]: You could have actually done everything pretty much without welding. 01:11:17.026 --> 01:11:29.478 [SPEAKER_04]: Because you could like, I saw some of the people were doing like there was there was an example part that was like a tube turned into a chain like cutting out like pockets or like cutting out like I don't even know how to describe this were like. 01:11:29.899 --> 01:11:32.141 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll send a video to John so he can put it on this. 01:11:32.201 --> 01:11:36.165 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, it's so cool like you know like the 3D printed wrench in place. 01:11:37.658 --> 01:11:47.745 [SPEAKER_04]: Like that except for a steel tube turning into a chain where just like you cut out like a hinge inside of it, so the materials are trapped together and the fingers on the side can't even describe it's not going to make any sense. 01:11:49.386 --> 01:11:55.710 [SPEAKER_04]: But you can like you could cut like if you wanted to make a tube frame instead of cutting the tube at like 45. 01:11:56.891 --> 01:12:02.835 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you cut the tube at 45's in the tube cutter, but you don't cut through the wall at the end of the 45. 01:12:03.095 --> 01:12:15.243 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you just like take a triangle out of the tube and then you comes out of the machines and you just fuck it bent it and it's just like it's like perfect and there's you know like when you try to make something like that in real life with your own hands. 01:12:15.403 --> 01:12:16.524 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's such a pan. 01:12:16.584 --> 01:12:20.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like with a single grinder like cutting into steel like a steel tube. 01:12:20.847 --> 01:12:26.070 [SPEAKER_04]: You know the worst part of making a steel frame like that or a metal frame like that. 01:12:26.413 --> 01:12:37.531 [SPEAKER_04]: or even what, getting a square of a fuck do you measure with the goddamn corner being 45 degrees, measure a piece of pipe to cut to length when the ends are cut to 45 degrees. 01:12:39.805 --> 01:12:42.726 [SPEAKER_04]: Because you get like a sharp point and it's so easy. 01:12:42.746 --> 01:12:44.886 [SPEAKER_04]: They get off by like an eighth of an inch. 01:12:44.966 --> 01:12:45.327 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:12:45.607 --> 01:12:46.707 [SPEAKER_04]: So easy. 01:12:46.727 --> 01:12:47.047 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:12:47.087 --> 01:12:48.387 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like almost guaranteed. 01:12:48.407 --> 01:12:49.848 [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to be off by an eighth of an inch. 01:12:49.888 --> 01:12:50.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you. 01:12:51.488 --> 01:12:55.850 [SPEAKER_01]: If you draw the line perfect and then cut on the other side. 01:12:55.930 --> 01:12:56.390 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:12:56.430 --> 01:12:58.310 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to basically like overcut like the easy. 01:12:58.330 --> 01:12:58.730 [SPEAKER_01]: And then. 01:12:59.851 --> 01:13:00.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:13:00.051 --> 01:13:02.351 [SPEAKER_01]: Then refine it with like a sander. 01:13:02.411 --> 01:13:02.791 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 01:13:02.852 --> 01:13:04.492 [SPEAKER_01]: If you need to be super precise. 01:13:04.772 --> 01:13:16.035 [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's like something that I really don't like doing is making like, you know, those mitered corners and being able to just like have an idea and send it to the machine was so liberating. 01:13:16.175 --> 01:13:25.518 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you cut the corners off, you know, like instead of 45 and 45, it's like 45.1 Yeah, 44.9, then you get the part where it like sticks out in extra millimeter. 01:13:25.838 --> 01:13:28.639 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you like a sharp corner and it's like, yeah, oh, yeah, here's the chain. 01:13:30.248 --> 01:13:31.929 [SPEAKER_04]: That's freaking crazy. 01:13:32.270 --> 01:13:42.558 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like a solid tube that just has, you know, some slots cut out all on the same machine, which is freaking, wait, that's a solid square tube. 01:13:43.739 --> 01:13:44.419 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you see that? 01:13:45.300 --> 01:13:48.223 [SPEAKER_00]: That was just like, you know, a footlong piece of steel tube. 01:13:48.263 --> 01:13:54.327 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, cut out so that it like, it's still one piece, like it's cut as one piece. 01:13:56.589 --> 01:13:57.050 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it. 01:13:57.926 --> 01:14:23.550 [SPEAKER_04]: That started as a regular stock stainless steel tube and then into the the tube laser because the tube laser can like rotate the tube around and cut it from every angle it cuts out the The like the circles and the fingers of the solid tube like that tube never came apart and was never assembled that's how it came out of the machine and the laser is such a fine cut that it it almost feels like it's you know it's like a friction fit. 01:14:25.216 --> 01:14:27.477 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's fucking awesome. 01:14:28.257 --> 01:14:29.057 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so cool. 01:14:29.217 --> 01:14:30.658 [SPEAKER_01]: I still, I don't get it. 01:14:31.598 --> 01:14:33.558 [SPEAKER_00]: That tube used to be a straight tube. 01:14:33.798 --> 01:14:34.659 [SPEAKER_00]: He used to be a tube. 01:14:34.719 --> 01:14:38.700 [SPEAKER_00]: And he told me that through the machine, they can tell me that over and over and over her. 01:14:38.780 --> 01:14:39.680 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it. 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:41.060 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, okay, look at the pat. 01:14:41.080 --> 01:14:42.601 [SPEAKER_00]: It just cuts out a circle on the top. 01:14:42.641 --> 01:14:43.041 [SPEAKER_00]: It cuts up a bit. 01:14:43.061 --> 01:14:46.682 [SPEAKER_01]: But you have to realize, too, what I'm seeing is on a little CR. 01:14:46.702 --> 01:14:49.443 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in the editing, we should blow that up so everybody can see it. 01:14:49.463 --> 01:14:51.683 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like put it over our faces. 01:14:52.243 --> 01:14:52.724 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll go to that. 01:14:54.604 --> 01:14:55.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so subscribe. 01:14:56.006 --> 01:15:11.339 [SPEAKER_04]: You should just rewrite the binary of the scribe to get the board for the Okay, so imagine you have a piece of square tube and you cut out a Like three quarters of a circle from the center of the tube. 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:13.821 [SPEAKER_04]: You just cut like a line You don't cut anything out. 01:15:13.841 --> 01:15:16.584 [SPEAKER_04]: You just like carve a line like a circle shape 01:15:17.244 --> 01:15:24.994 [SPEAKER_04]: And so that you have like a puzzle piece like imagine you cut out the shape of like a puzzle piece would like the little knob going into the receiving end. 01:15:25.034 --> 01:15:26.436 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, of the next puzzle piece. 01:15:27.096 --> 01:15:29.379 [SPEAKER_04]: Imagine that cut out of a piece of square tube. 01:15:30.160 --> 01:15:34.846 [SPEAKER_04]: So one side has like a lollipop coming off of it and the other side has the whole for the lollipop. 01:15:35.507 --> 01:15:37.389 [SPEAKER_04]: And then just forget everything else. 01:15:37.409 --> 01:15:42.215 [SPEAKER_04]: Imagine you cut that on both sides of the square tube and then you just like several of the edges. 01:15:43.317 --> 01:15:50.325 [SPEAKER_04]: In that situation, you can rotate the tube around the lollipop, like a hinge, like obviously like you can fall out of each other. 01:15:52.427 --> 01:15:59.309 [SPEAKER_04]: And so then on the sides of the tube you cut these like fingers that that like won't let that falling out happen. 01:15:59.889 --> 01:16:09.233 [SPEAKER_04]: Imagine two lollipops and two holes that are the shape of the lollipop like low the round part like a hinge. 01:16:10.173 --> 01:16:19.900 [SPEAKER_04]: and on the sides are sort of interlocking fingers and it's all cut out of one piece of tube and it's never assembled or disassembled. 01:16:19.940 --> 01:16:20.981 [SPEAKER_04]: It's cut as is. 01:16:21.681 --> 01:16:26.905 [SPEAKER_04]: That I think is the best explanation that you can come up with without just looking at the picture. 01:16:26.925 --> 01:16:33.570 [SPEAKER_00]: Now if you're an audio only listener, I'd try to picture this in your head and then go go to this timestamp in the video. 01:16:33.630 --> 01:16:34.050 [SPEAKER_00]: It's about 01:16:36.732 --> 01:16:38.293 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't see how wrong you are. 01:16:38.313 --> 01:16:42.915 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it'd be like, uh, then be the video, but it won't be. 01:16:42.995 --> 01:16:43.855 [SPEAKER_00]: I send it to you Nigel. 01:16:45.156 --> 01:16:45.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, where? 01:16:45.937 --> 01:16:46.777 [SPEAKER_00]: In your DMs. 01:16:46.897 --> 01:16:47.237 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there. 01:16:47.257 --> 01:16:48.478 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 01:16:49.098 --> 01:16:51.979 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, good idea. 01:16:51.999 --> 01:16:55.941 [SPEAKER_04]: I remember being like, Bob Bergast, the first time I saw the, like, print and place around. 01:16:55.981 --> 01:16:56.882 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see, yeah. 01:16:58.062 --> 01:16:58.523 [SPEAKER_04]: Makes sense. 01:16:59.023 --> 01:16:59.303 [SPEAKER_04]: I know. 01:16:59.983 --> 01:17:00.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 01:17:01.304 --> 01:17:03.485 [SPEAKER_04]: That's, so it's all just one, two and one cut. 01:17:04.975 --> 01:17:11.777 [SPEAKER_04]: And so the fun part of that is when it comes out of the machine, obviously it starts flopping around because the tube laser, like violently rotates things. 01:17:11.797 --> 01:17:18.720 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it starts like fling fling fling, it's like they have to like support it or they could put like a tube through like a steel rod through the tube. 01:17:18.740 --> 01:17:23.121 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so that when it cuts it, like they put like literally two pieces of stock in there. 01:17:23.381 --> 01:17:23.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's funny. 01:17:24.021 --> 01:17:25.302 [SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering how they were going to do that. 01:17:25.322 --> 01:17:27.542 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought they would just have to turn the machines be way down. 01:17:27.602 --> 01:17:29.863 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they would just you could just put like a dowel through it. 01:17:29.923 --> 01:17:30.423 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, smart. 01:17:30.443 --> 01:17:32.184 [SPEAKER_04]: But we'll probably fuck the dowel up a little bit. 01:17:32.224 --> 01:17:32.964 [SPEAKER_04]: But like who cares? 01:17:33.124 --> 01:17:34.504 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:17:34.885 --> 01:17:36.265 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was a lot of fun. 01:17:36.565 --> 01:17:40.366 [SPEAKER_04]: And I I feel like I accomplished something. 01:17:41.407 --> 01:17:42.587 [SPEAKER_04]: And it didn't work. 01:17:42.707 --> 01:17:43.187 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's okay. 01:17:46.262 --> 01:17:49.146 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that should have taken like a week to make something like that. 01:17:49.266 --> 01:17:49.907 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:17:49.927 --> 01:17:54.773 [SPEAKER_04]: Being able to turn around parts really fast, like did make it easier, but then also like still no time to iterate. 01:17:54.793 --> 01:18:00.059 [SPEAKER_00]: They're probably going to take the little walking mechanism out and put it on there in their front desk like reception area. 01:18:00.099 --> 01:18:01.180 [SPEAKER_04]: The other rest of the go card away. 01:18:01.221 --> 01:18:01.561 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:18:02.562 --> 01:18:03.062 [SPEAKER_04]: It really was. 01:18:03.102 --> 01:18:07.386 [SPEAKER_04]: The rest of it was trash because the welding line like really backed up to two two people were welding. 01:18:07.406 --> 01:18:08.606 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, like, I can't weld anything. 01:18:08.627 --> 01:18:13.510 [SPEAKER_04]: So this is using like insert nuts, like the pen nuts that they like press into machine metal. 01:18:13.570 --> 01:18:13.910 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah. 01:18:14.151 --> 01:18:16.192 [SPEAKER_04]: Like everything I had was like bolted together. 01:18:16.452 --> 01:18:18.894 [SPEAKER_04]: Dude, I did some fucking speed CAD. 01:18:18.954 --> 01:18:20.315 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm proud of some of those things. 01:18:20.635 --> 01:18:20.955 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:18:20.996 --> 01:18:21.736 [SPEAKER_04]: That time frame. 01:18:22.377 --> 01:18:23.517 [SPEAKER_04]: The go card just looks like shit. 01:18:23.537 --> 01:18:28.481 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know how to make the the frame look good other than like welded steel tube and using on shape. 01:18:29.646 --> 01:18:38.785 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, on shape was like, yeah, I mean, that was my first time using it and I was only using it because I had to use camera man John's laptop. 01:18:39.166 --> 01:18:39.607 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:18:39.807 --> 01:18:40.729 [SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't I didn't have mine. 01:18:41.647 --> 01:19:04.929 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I don't really know what my, what my CAD software is at this point like I kind of feel like everything I've ever used has its limitations and I'm not sure exactly like with on chip like having like I actually like so I used I started using on chip like a couple months ago and because free and fusion is is a little expensive and trying to save my right now. 01:19:05.610 --> 01:19:11.017 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and it, it works really well for making part. 01:19:11.678 --> 01:19:12.199 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. 01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:14.181 [SPEAKER_04]: I really like Onchay for making part. 01:19:16.124 --> 01:19:19.969 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand how the assembly is. 01:19:21.311 --> 01:19:22.072 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't make sense. 01:19:24.123 --> 01:19:24.343 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:19:25.243 --> 01:19:29.764 [SPEAKER_00]: But I, you know, how you said the welding line was taking a long time. 01:19:29.784 --> 01:19:29.884 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:19:30.384 --> 01:19:33.645 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, everything started taking a long time because it was really funny. 01:19:34.105 --> 01:19:39.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody spent the first four or five hours of this hackathon just modeling stuff. 01:19:39.166 --> 01:19:39.366 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:19:39.566 --> 01:19:45.388 [SPEAKER_00]: And everybody, like, all the machinists were kind of just like standing around like, I wonder what's what's what's going on? 01:19:45.468 --> 01:19:46.428 [SPEAKER_00]: Why aren't we getting anything? 01:19:46.828 --> 01:19:48.269 [SPEAKER_00]: Then it about eight o'clock at night. 01:19:48.409 --> 01:19:54.752 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody started submitting everything all the time or night shift and the poor night shift just got slammed You know like the day shift. 01:19:55.012 --> 01:20:04.117 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have that much stuff to do and then the poor night shift just got hammered and all these kids were like sleep deprived They didn't know like all their sending the same parts over and over again. 01:20:04.137 --> 01:20:10.820 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and a lot of them I wanted to strangle some of the teams because they were like having their parts beat blasted 01:20:16.363 --> 01:20:23.449 [SPEAKER_04]: Come on, like I would walk over to the machine and he would be like, are you sure you want them like this and I was like, yeah, like, I'm wrong. 01:20:23.709 --> 01:20:24.710 [SPEAKER_00]: Something to burn. 01:20:24.750 --> 01:20:30.535 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, somebody printed something like a skeletonized piece of aluminum and I'm like, just go, given that piece. 01:20:30.575 --> 01:20:31.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Just take the piece over to him. 01:20:32.076 --> 01:20:35.939 [SPEAKER_00]: Because number one, it would be fun to like get to push out all the little parts on the aluminum sheet. 01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:40.863 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's like, no, it's got to go through QA and they want it to be bird and ground or something like, like, no. 01:20:41.243 --> 01:20:43.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm like, give it to me and I will take it to him. 01:20:46.027 --> 01:20:49.929 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just wanted to get that part out of his hands, so he could start working on yours. 01:20:49.949 --> 01:20:51.330 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Mark. 01:20:51.430 --> 01:20:52.911 [SPEAKER_04]: I know like half time my parts come off, too. 01:20:52.931 --> 01:20:55.072 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, this is going to go straight in the trash when it doesn't work. 01:20:55.532 --> 01:20:55.813 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:20:55.993 --> 01:21:07.059 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like the instant I knew that everything was like actually like I made, you know, I think I cut out like these how many of those things like 16 of those mechanisms, the walking mechanisms to stack. 01:21:07.819 --> 01:21:17.985 [SPEAKER_04]: That was like that was then the finishing operation of like these are all the final pieces and because they're all moving like literally in a sandwich touching each other Yeah, I can't have the birds. 01:21:18.585 --> 01:21:22.207 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and so like but it was like waiting to the very end to get all that done. 01:21:22.227 --> 01:21:29.010 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah I mean yours makes sense people were having their seats polished it's probably yeah like like the corners of a piece That's gonna get welded. 01:21:29.551 --> 01:21:33.413 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you don't need a deeper that just gonna get obliterated by the welder 01:21:34.999 --> 01:21:50.665 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was a magical experience and I kind of want to do something with that again, but I do get it so hard like designing parts like synthesizing something from the ground up is so hard like I feel people. 01:21:51.485 --> 01:21:55.670 [SPEAKER_04]: genuinely like don't understand how hard making things and cat is. 01:21:55.710 --> 01:21:59.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all the mechanisms that you have to like come up with in your brain. 01:21:59.514 --> 01:22:01.676 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I was trying to figure out like, how? 01:22:01.696 --> 01:22:03.699 [SPEAKER_04]: Cause I, you know, we started with like a kids bike. 01:22:03.739 --> 01:22:05.761 [SPEAKER_04]: I like this tiny little like toddler push bike. 01:22:05.921 --> 01:22:12.008 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going to use I was like going to use the front wheel and yolk for my go car side and have to build any of that. 01:22:12.769 --> 01:22:12.869 [SPEAKER_04]: And 01:22:14.180 --> 01:22:15.340 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you hold this? 01:22:15.961 --> 01:22:16.701 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you hold this? 01:22:16.761 --> 01:22:18.682 [SPEAKER_04]: How do I get a piece of metal from here? 01:22:18.722 --> 01:22:22.763 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like a collar that holds the yolk of this little kid's bike to the sheet metal. 01:22:23.163 --> 01:22:25.424 [SPEAKER_04]: And at that point, I was like, and I can't weld anything. 01:22:26.364 --> 01:22:27.645 [SPEAKER_04]: Because the welding line is too long. 01:22:28.005 --> 01:22:29.205 [SPEAKER_04]: How the fuck do I do this? 01:22:29.665 --> 01:22:35.687 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it's like, I came up with like a bent part, but then I couldn't bend the part with Ashcut because the bend was too deep. 01:22:35.848 --> 01:22:37.048 [SPEAKER_04]: And so it would collide with the machine. 01:22:37.748 --> 01:22:39.589 [SPEAKER_04]: And so the simulation is like, you can't do this. 01:22:40.862 --> 01:22:41.502 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, what do I do? 01:22:41.843 --> 01:22:44.785 [SPEAKER_04]: So I came up with like the, I don't even know if it was janky. 01:22:44.845 --> 01:22:49.848 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it was, but it was like a bent sheet metal that then like came up. 01:22:49.928 --> 01:23:03.657 [SPEAKER_04]: And I like cut the bent piece in half, but like sort of in half, and then I had, I don't, it was, I genuinely like having to do that sleep deprived and trying to make something that's like not turbo shit, yeah, it's so fucking hard. 01:23:04.658 --> 01:23:09.040 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you only see up thing like even like a chair or any of the stuff you're like, oh yeah, you just do this. 01:23:09.120 --> 01:23:10.560 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like that's only corner piece. 01:23:10.580 --> 01:23:10.981 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like that. 01:23:11.381 --> 01:23:14.842 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you sit down in front of the computer to make it yourself without any reference or anything. 01:23:14.862 --> 01:23:16.223 [SPEAKER_04]: You're just like, I have to do this from scratch. 01:23:16.243 --> 01:23:19.824 [SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, how big does this need to be? 01:23:20.164 --> 01:23:23.326 [SPEAKER_04]: Like how big, how big, how far does the pedal need to be from the seat? 01:23:23.346 --> 01:23:27.447 [SPEAKER_04]: Like how high above the pedal, you can seat me for pedaling. 01:23:27.647 --> 01:23:29.088 [SPEAKER_04]: How much do you pedal? 01:23:29.108 --> 01:23:30.488 [SPEAKER_04]: Like what's the sort of depth of your 01:23:34.710 --> 01:23:36.632 [SPEAKER_00]: I noticed a lot of teams got that wrong. 01:23:36.793 --> 01:23:37.413 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's dude. 01:23:37.453 --> 01:23:44.281 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the geometry of sitting and pedaling or like I made my chassis like 30 inches long and I was just like 01:23:47.080 --> 01:24:08.228 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh oh, I like I had a feeling it was going to be like one of these things or you're just like feet or like going up and down like on a mini bike one of them Uh they had to stick their knees way out when they were pedaling because they had like the handlebars kind of like right in the middle like where their knees would be so that you could only do like head like you had to like spread your knees way out and then you couldn't like get any good forestown 01:24:09.057 --> 01:24:23.676 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's like it really is like, I don't know, like synthesizing mechanical designs is rough having that turn around though with the machine job. 01:24:24.156 --> 01:24:24.416 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:24:24.536 --> 01:24:24.937 [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome. 01:24:25.417 --> 01:24:30.240 [SPEAKER_04]: Like being able to just get a thing into reality and be like, oh, shit. 01:24:30.260 --> 01:24:34.803 [SPEAKER_04]: This is way too something, too small, too hard to put together. 01:24:34.823 --> 01:24:34.924 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:24:35.884 --> 01:24:36.405 [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever. 01:24:36.425 --> 01:24:39.687 [SPEAKER_04]: It was so nice doing it so quickly. 01:24:39.707 --> 01:24:41.028 [SPEAKER_05]: It was really nice. 01:24:41.488 --> 01:25:02.174 [SPEAKER_04]: Because I'll just do, I'll like sit in cab and just be like, okay, like just spinning wheels spinning wheels spinning wheels and you're like, okay, I do like this, I do like that and it's like, well, what if you just like, you know, bugger welded it together with like, you like, just get your bike wheel and you just get a piece of tube and you sort of stick the fucking tube between your bike wheel and the frame. 01:25:02.194 --> 01:25:03.875 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just glue it on. 01:25:04.535 --> 01:25:08.016 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little limiting not having access to just a basic make welder. 01:25:08.456 --> 01:25:14.824 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think to wait for the the welding line and but people were just like getting so much welding that I know yeah 01:25:16.739 --> 01:25:20.260 [SPEAKER_00]: It was funny though because the welder was trying to do his best for every job. 01:25:20.400 --> 01:25:21.680 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, oh, so it's like way too clean. 01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:23.641 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're like, do you just send it? 01:25:23.661 --> 01:25:28.082 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like, can you just give me like some tack welds and then I come back and every single weld is like perfectly done. 01:25:28.662 --> 01:25:31.582 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the entire length of my roller skate. 01:25:32.623 --> 01:25:36.083 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm like, I just wanted like two inch two inch long stitches. 01:25:36.123 --> 01:25:37.684 [SPEAKER_04]: You're like straps over the roller blades. 01:25:37.704 --> 01:25:39.164 [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to fail long before the. 01:25:39.744 --> 01:25:41.285 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the frame of the roller skates. 01:25:41.465 --> 01:25:42.705 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a hard and steel strap. 01:25:43.031 --> 01:25:46.293 [SPEAKER_00]: And I made this cup piece that would hold your heel. 01:25:46.934 --> 01:25:51.397 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking, how do I even model this? 01:25:51.698 --> 01:25:53.579 [SPEAKER_00]: How are they going to do that curve? 01:25:53.659 --> 01:25:57.682 [SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to have to do 20 or 30 different micropens on the sheep break? 01:25:58.283 --> 01:26:01.165 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm just printed it out flat and hammered it into shape. 01:26:02.506 --> 01:26:06.529 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right, yeah, or cut it out flat. 01:26:07.790 --> 01:26:08.410 [SPEAKER_04]: That was fun. 01:26:08.430 --> 01:26:10.071 [SPEAKER_04]: That was a good hackathon. 01:26:10.091 --> 01:26:13.052 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you guys were coming to this sauton. 01:26:13.712 --> 01:26:16.613 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we're going to do more later in the year, maybe not before open. 01:26:16.633 --> 01:26:19.535 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I want to pitch an idea for a sauton. 01:26:19.555 --> 01:26:23.136 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's any good feedback on it, it's like a 24 or 48 hour wilderness survival. 01:26:26.117 --> 01:26:33.906 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you love that idea where it's like you can only bring a backpack full of like regulars You're talking like we have to like get water and power. 01:26:33.966 --> 01:26:38.231 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there's like I'm thinking maybe different teams ones and charge of making Squatars. 01:26:38.592 --> 01:26:43.517 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ones and charge of getting food the meat team the meat team, but maybe it might be fish 01:26:44.158 --> 01:26:47.420 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or, or, I don't know, crawfish or something. 01:26:47.820 --> 01:26:54.925 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's going to be, uh, uh, like, somebody has to build like shelters, some people have to build like furniture and, or something. 01:26:55.526 --> 01:26:57.667 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people have to add, you know, like all that kind of stuff. 01:26:58.207 --> 01:26:58.948 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, vehicles. 01:26:58.968 --> 01:26:59.488 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't rock. 01:26:59.508 --> 01:27:04.672 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody has to get the smelting operation going, uh, we have to hit the Bronze Age at least in 48 hours. 01:27:05.592 --> 01:27:08.794 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that is such a fucking fun idea. 01:27:08.895 --> 01:27:10.776 [SPEAKER_04]: I definitely, what was it? 01:27:10.876 --> 01:27:19.762 [SPEAKER_04]: There was like the, I think the, any of the survival shows, like that John Tron video where he like, looks at that kid survival show, that was kind of, you know, whatever. 01:27:19.782 --> 01:27:29.349 [SPEAKER_04]: Has there been like an actual, an actual survival show, where they actually built things? 01:27:29.930 --> 01:27:30.490 [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying? 01:27:30.550 --> 01:27:31.971 [SPEAKER_04]: Not like the TV we 01:27:35.577 --> 01:27:43.363 [SPEAKER_00]: like real time to, you know, I mean, not real time, but you know, like when you watch primitive technology, you don't actually know how long that stuff is taking, right? 01:27:43.403 --> 01:27:57.572 [SPEAKER_04]: He makes it seem like it only takes an hour or two, but because like how long do you think it would take you to actually build like a, uh, some sort of like water, you know, like power generating like water thing, because like how water we all, just a basic water wheel. 01:27:57.812 --> 01:27:58.352 [SPEAKER_00]: It just won't. 01:27:58.392 --> 01:27:59.713 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, forget the power generation. 01:27:59.733 --> 01:28:08.057 [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, obviously, you're not to bring shit for that, but like to build a water-based like water, we're like, do you think that we could do that in one day? 01:28:08.157 --> 01:28:09.158 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so. 01:28:09.178 --> 01:28:16.301 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we would do something that I think that I think you know what we would do in one day, and then we would do it better over the next week. 01:28:17.002 --> 01:28:17.402 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:28:17.702 --> 01:28:17.942 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:28:18.402 --> 01:28:19.423 [SPEAKER_04]: It would never just work. 01:28:20.782 --> 01:28:21.222 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think. 01:28:21.722 --> 01:28:30.065 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you could make, well, the problem with the water wheel would be trying like turning the, like spinning motion into literally anything else. 01:28:30.605 --> 01:28:34.627 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, even if you wanted it to just like spin like a, like a grinding stone. 01:28:35.047 --> 01:28:37.908 [SPEAKER_04]: You have to mount the grinding stone to something. 01:28:37.928 --> 01:28:38.028 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:28:38.688 --> 01:28:41.049 [SPEAKER_04]: And that has to be like somewhat robust. 01:28:41.069 --> 01:28:42.770 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, like, like a grain mill. 01:28:43.010 --> 01:28:45.110 [SPEAKER_05]: Like, like holding something in place. 01:28:45.531 --> 01:28:48.672 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, rigidly enough using shit you found in the fucking 01:28:50.458 --> 01:28:51.419 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's hard. 01:28:51.619 --> 01:28:55.802 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it would take a few hours just to make like a shelter for yourself and your team. 01:28:55.842 --> 01:28:56.042 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:28:56.442 --> 01:29:04.107 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you like trying to make a water wheel like just getting a stick to be like straight and strong enough to handle it would be like a day, if not more. 01:29:06.689 --> 01:29:06.889 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:29:06.909 --> 01:29:08.150 [SPEAKER_00]: So something like that. 01:29:08.210 --> 01:29:10.411 [SPEAKER_00]: Every team has a job and they have to make their own shelter. 01:29:10.571 --> 01:29:14.714 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we just go, yeah, shelter and like then like food and water. 01:29:15.274 --> 01:29:19.057 [SPEAKER_04]: So like hunt, I feel like like world traps and stuff are pretty easy. 01:29:19.773 --> 01:29:21.414 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you have to make different traps. 01:29:21.614 --> 01:29:22.194 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:29:22.634 --> 01:29:24.815 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody has every team has to catch an animal. 01:29:25.475 --> 01:29:26.256 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:29:26.276 --> 01:29:28.837 [SPEAKER_04]: Or make you make something to carry water in. 01:29:29.277 --> 01:29:31.718 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you can't carry water in anything that you brought. 01:29:31.738 --> 01:29:32.718 [SPEAKER_04]: Like you can make a. 01:29:32.798 --> 01:29:33.558 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, you have to start. 01:29:33.678 --> 01:29:37.560 [SPEAKER_00]: Like one team is in charge of starting a fire without, like, you know. 01:29:38.000 --> 01:30:03.100 [SPEAKER_00]: with what you have to like use wood to start a fire by like spinning it really fast or make a bow like I would like the fire hunt a squirrel and then hollow it out and then use its corpse the carry water oh yeah but then all the water would taste like squirrel a little bit I would I would catch a squirrel at I would hollow it out and then I would blow it up like like an inflatable ball and I would use that as like the bobber for what I'm going fishing yeah whatever it's like everything's it's squirrel based a kind of 01:30:05.928 --> 01:30:07.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Squirrel-based infrastructure. 01:30:07.109 --> 01:30:10.211 [SPEAKER_04]: Our money is just like flat and squirrels. 01:30:11.692 --> 01:30:15.174 [SPEAKER_04]: This is a $10 bill of big squirrel. 01:30:15.234 --> 01:30:16.555 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:30:16.595 --> 01:30:20.217 [SPEAKER_04]: We haven't come across a $100 bill squirrel yet. 01:30:20.257 --> 01:30:22.478 [SPEAKER_00]: Kevin caught a raccoon, but I don't think that counts. 01:30:22.518 --> 01:30:23.919 [SPEAKER_04]: It's got to be a squirrel. 01:30:24.259 --> 01:30:25.020 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like 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