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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I got the nickname Gubba or Baba or Baba or Baba. 01:03.196 --> 01:03.496 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:03.517 --> 01:07.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is weird because of North Bubba's not a huge thing, but yeah. 01:07.481 --> 01:13.187 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my my little my youngest son, his nickname's Baba for some reason. 01:13.247 --> 01:14.569 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a Baba, right? 01:14.589 --> 01:14.969 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not 01:15.610 --> 01:16.791 [SPEAKER_00]: he didn't have a cool name. 01:16.811 --> 01:22.595 [SPEAKER_00]: He's just he the way he acts the way he walks the way he's kind of just like yeah, whatever happens happens. 01:22.635 --> 01:29.699 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a that's a Baba in my yeah, either that or Goober I guess is what I got a Goober yeah, I don't know. 01:29.719 --> 01:36.764 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh SpongeBob's popular with, you know, back when I was a kid, I got a girl like you're fricking, you know, Goofy Goober. 01:37.184 --> 01:37.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Goofy Goober. 01:37.845 --> 01:38.585 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever that's here. 01:38.886 --> 01:39.506 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay. 01:39.706 --> 01:39.986 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice. 01:40.066 --> 01:40.326 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice. 01:41.247 --> 01:42.428 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I mean, 01:44.112 --> 01:47.955 [SPEAKER_00]: The reason you're on this podcast is because I noticed you, right? 01:48.156 --> 01:51.719 [SPEAKER_00]: I noticed nested, you guys have been around for a little bit. 01:52.219 --> 01:54.561 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of what I want to talk about today. 01:54.922 --> 02:01.047 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the best place to start with a conversation like this is where is nested located at? 02:01.067 --> 02:02.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Like where's where's HQ? 02:06.893 --> 02:08.976 [SPEAKER_01]: We are in Comberland, Wisconsin. 02:09.096 --> 02:11.779 [SPEAKER_01]: So very Northwest corner of Wisconsin. 02:11.819 --> 02:14.782 [SPEAKER_01]: We're about an hour and a half northeast of the Twin Cities. 02:15.203 --> 02:15.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 02:16.184 --> 02:17.526 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yep, absolutely. 02:17.666 --> 02:17.926 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 02:18.287 --> 02:24.955 [SPEAKER_00]: And how long have you guys, how long has nested been in production, been a thing, been a brand? 02:25.956 --> 02:42.386 [SPEAKER_01]: nested has been a brand and my memory dude it's 20 23 or 20 25 pretty sure 20 23 but that's everything in my head right now yeah it's been three four years so it's still I wouldn't say it's and it's infancy anymore but you know we're a developed brand at this point. 02:42.806 --> 02:43.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 02:43.206 --> 02:43.446 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 02:44.006 --> 02:46.427 [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, I mean, we got to talk about company history. 02:46.907 --> 02:47.307 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 02:48.828 --> 02:53.049 [SPEAKER_00]: Where did the idea of nested come from and why? 02:54.190 --> 03:00.712 [SPEAKER_01]: So the idea of nested actually when I got hired here at the end of 2021 into 2022. 03:01.772 --> 03:04.273 [SPEAKER_01]: So the parent companies actually called Artisam. 03:05.213 --> 03:07.354 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have a couple other hunting brands to 03:07.494 --> 03:16.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Rivers Edge tree stand is our longest brand, a lot of people know Rivers Edge and I got hired to be the brand manager of Rivers Edge. 03:17.058 --> 03:26.262 [SPEAKER_01]: However, my interview process, it was all questions about my style of hunting and I'm like, I've used a climber, I'm like, I pack in and hunt, I'm like, I don't ever get to use permanent sets. 03:26.643 --> 03:26.843 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 03:27.243 --> 03:28.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I got the job. 03:28.163 --> 03:33.466 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, well, that seems weird, but there was, you know, that was already in motion with the products they were developing, 03:36.183 --> 03:44.045 [SPEAKER_01]: a couple different prototypes of hang on tree stands, lightweight ones, and then some of the, what we now have is the light rails, a couple early versions of that. 03:44.505 --> 03:45.265 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 03:45.285 --> 03:49.566 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I guess I was more so brought on to kind of help lead that project. 03:49.866 --> 03:54.727 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when it came time, you know, products are developed, how do we want to launch? 03:54.747 --> 03:56.528 [SPEAKER_01]: What's it, you know, what's the strategy for it? 03:56.968 --> 03:59.929 [SPEAKER_01]: We went back and forth, so many times about it. 04:00.349 --> 04:01.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this a reverse edge? 04:01.709 --> 04:04.270 [SPEAKER_01]: Add to the lineup, or is it something different? 04:07.232 --> 04:09.595 [SPEAKER_01]: Rivers Edge has been around for a while. 04:09.776 --> 04:13.181 [SPEAKER_01]: It sells in a lot of retail stores and it's known for just 04:14.425 --> 04:18.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Good hang on, great ladder stands, some tower options that are for permanent stuff. 04:18.426 --> 04:19.527 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, this is different. 04:20.027 --> 04:21.328 [SPEAKER_01]: This is its own thing. 04:21.388 --> 04:31.811 [SPEAKER_01]: It's targeted at people that are mobile hunting, not always a public land because guys on mobile hunter owned properties, but for the most part, it's completely different from a river's edge product. 04:31.911 --> 04:36.073 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to start fresh, give it its own name, give it its own brand, its own personality. 04:36.093 --> 04:40.715 [SPEAKER_01]: I can switch up, I can be a little bit less corporate online the way I talk to consumers. 04:41.115 --> 04:41.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:41.635 --> 04:45.823 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other thing, too, is it's consumer direct brand for the most part. 04:46.103 --> 04:52.936 [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, so you're not going to find nested in a like a big box door like Cabello's or anything like that. 04:53.598 --> 04:57.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, as of the last couple of weeks, it's only in shields. 04:57.980 --> 04:58.501 [SPEAKER_00]: Only in shields. 04:58.581 --> 04:58.821 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 04:59.101 --> 04:59.601 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:59.621 --> 05:00.082 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 05:00.162 --> 05:02.643 [SPEAKER_01]: The 15-liter system is now a shield's exclusive. 05:03.123 --> 05:03.484 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it. 05:03.844 --> 05:04.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 05:04.504 --> 05:09.967 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was due to the last, I mean, because we've been consumer-directed, and we've gone to a few shells. 05:09.987 --> 05:15.350 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we'll go to the Iwoodier Classic Minnesota, Wisconsin, and we brought us to ATA in the last two years. 05:15.991 --> 05:16.171 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 05:16.371 --> 05:19.272 [SPEAKER_01]: And our comments online, or guys, just like, where can we see this in person? 05:19.372 --> 05:19.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 05:20.595 --> 05:31.560 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not just set up to go all over the East Coast during the Southern portion of the United States to go to shows, so finding one store that I think is going to help represent this really well. 05:31.580 --> 05:32.281 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be shields. 05:32.721 --> 05:33.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha. 05:33.601 --> 05:43.086 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you got brought on to this whole, this idea of a product, right? 05:43.506 --> 05:46.888 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys, did they already have the products designed 05:47.808 --> 05:52.474 [SPEAKER_00]: and like prototypes built before you came in, they had some prototypes. 05:52.514 --> 05:59.642 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what when I got here, what what we have today is not anything very close to the first prototypes that they had. 06:00.063 --> 06:06.390 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, our first version of a light rail looked a lot like the reverse edge grip rail, and it was not efficient. 06:06.771 --> 06:07.171 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:07.952 --> 06:09.213 [SPEAKER_01]: To early engineer, he's here. 06:09.233 --> 06:16.978 [SPEAKER_01]: He's named Brian and he designed a lot of this stuff and he's always been a tanker. 06:17.258 --> 06:30.046 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess a lot of guys are in this industry that create products where you view stuff from other brands you find what you like you find what you don't like, but the biggest thing is that just something that 06:31.047 --> 06:32.148 [SPEAKER_01]: packs everything together. 06:32.248 --> 06:33.749 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's got their own tree stand. 06:34.129 --> 06:35.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's got their version of a stick. 06:36.631 --> 06:40.573 [SPEAKER_01]: And then a lot of companies didn't start really making packs until the last couple of years. 06:40.633 --> 06:45.096 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was like, okay, by a stand from this brand, set a climbing six from this brand. 06:45.436 --> 06:49.639 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I got to find a pack and Jamie Riggett together with Camster Haps or Bunging chords. 06:49.979 --> 06:50.239 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:50.860 --> 06:51.080 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:51.400 --> 06:57.044 [SPEAKER_00]: And it really wasn't until, man, I'm trying to think one of the first 07:01.101 --> 07:05.606 [SPEAKER_00]: making everything interlock into each other, right? 07:05.646 --> 07:09.691 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the original lone wolf didn't do it. 07:09.831 --> 07:21.324 [SPEAKER_00]: The second version of lone wolf came up with like the the stick carrier system that goes on to the they called the the stick quiver that there was that and then nothing 07:22.185 --> 07:28.313 [SPEAKER_00]: like there wasn't before that or in that timeframe 10 years ago there wasn't really anything like that going on. 07:28.553 --> 07:37.504 [SPEAKER_00]: And now today you start seeing a lot more companies wanting to have their sticks, their stand, their pack, all be like a one stop shop. 07:38.112 --> 07:38.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 07:38.753 --> 07:38.913 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 07:39.354 --> 07:40.415 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's cool. 07:41.437 --> 07:54.254 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this guy, you know, one of the lead engineers was tinkering around, what kind of insight did you bring to this product process with given that you're like a running gun style hunter? 07:55.322 --> 08:17.917 [SPEAKER_01]: So my biggest thing I brought to the table for the most part was how bad my last system was of what I used, you know, because it was, you know, I grew up using a hand climber like an old late 90s loanable fan climber, which honestly the love of that stand is still having it, but it limits you to where you can hunt because it's got to have a true no branches or you can only climb to wherever the first branches. 08:18.922 --> 08:34.823 [SPEAKER_01]: with a tree-stand system, I actually moved to Missouri Post College and I was balling on a budget to obviously, you know, college kid just got out of college first job and I only had my driver and I got down there and like I can't use this thing anywhere. 08:35.223 --> 08:40.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think I went into a retail store and I bought like a Cheapback SOP. 08:41.068 --> 08:48.776 [SPEAKER_01]: I bought some like Hawk Helium Sticks and then I had a decent discount to Sica and bought there. 08:49.276 --> 08:50.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it their Cargo Box or something? 08:51.558 --> 09:01.723 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, in rigged everything up and like I filmed a lot of my hunts So I had a packing camera gear and all that other stuff and I had a system But it was so bulky. 09:01.763 --> 09:04.284 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so heavy and it like kept flopping around. 09:04.784 --> 09:09.387 [SPEAKER_01]: It worked and it got me through But when I came here and there we were going over like what do you use? 09:09.427 --> 09:12.928 [SPEAKER_01]: I brought it in and I'm like this is what I use I'm like this is what I like about it. 09:12.968 --> 09:14.049 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I hate about it. 09:14.069 --> 09:19.692 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah And so like specifically what 09:20.587 --> 09:24.809 [SPEAKER_00]: What, what was the transition from your old system to this new system, right? 09:24.849 --> 09:29.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Like something had to go wrong because that's where all this comes from, right? 09:29.552 --> 09:35.835 [SPEAKER_00]: Your hunter doesn't want to add extra weight to his mobile setup unless. 09:36.615 --> 09:37.075 [SPEAKER_00]: two things. 09:37.196 --> 09:41.379 [SPEAKER_00]: One, he's not going in that far or it's going to be lighter. 09:41.499 --> 09:42.860 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be easier to set up. 09:42.960 --> 09:44.602 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be more efficient in some way. 09:44.882 --> 09:46.463 [SPEAKER_00]: It connects together. 09:46.483 --> 09:49.206 [SPEAKER_00]: Something to make their life easier. 09:49.686 --> 10:00.996 [SPEAKER_00]: So talk to me in specifics a little bit about how the nested system was kind different than all the other current systems that were out there. 10:01.855 --> 10:21.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so to I guess sway into that is I had my system a couple of guys who were running just like here's a hang on here's a couple sticks that are bunchy core together and then maybe throw a set of third party backpacks straps on there like everything works is where I want to start with but it doesn't work to the point where there's no flaws with it. 10:22.752 --> 10:31.723 [SPEAKER_01]: And my flaws on my pack system is it wasn't designed for the hang-on I was using, it was designed to just work with a plethora of stands. 10:32.263 --> 10:34.165 [SPEAKER_01]: It worked okay, but it wasn't perfect. 10:34.506 --> 10:38.230 [SPEAKER_01]: And the same thing with the climbing sticks, so one thing we want to do with nested is okay. 10:38.690 --> 10:43.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing's out there that's super streamlined where everything fits perfectly. 10:43.616 --> 10:48.218 [SPEAKER_01]: the rails are designed to fit perfectly over whether it's 15 liter core pack or the 35. 10:48.378 --> 10:50.778 [SPEAKER_01]: It nests over the top perfectly. 10:51.219 --> 10:52.079 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the other thing? 10:52.159 --> 11:02.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well instead of having, if you're gonna carry three, four or five rails, you know, you don't have to have an odd number on the side of the pack, an odd number on the side of the pack, we're gonna go straight over top. 11:03.383 --> 11:03.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 11:04.990 --> 11:11.655 [SPEAKER_01]: The elder thing that was different is we had some conversations with, I got some partners in Rivers Edge. 11:11.675 --> 11:19.100 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of guys on the, the Appalachian region, I guess, guys that are hunting big hill country and they're packing it in a way as to go hunt. 11:19.120 --> 11:26.664 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times, I'm nice to know when those guys go hunting, and they're climbing in a mile, two miles from where they parked the truck up and down a few hundred feet validation. 11:27.605 --> 11:37.152 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you're going for an all day sit, and it's the rut, and you're packing, maybe a set of bibs, a jacket, a rattle antlers, food, water, like, you already need a big pack for storage. 11:37.412 --> 11:39.773 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ruling out being minimalistic at that point. 11:40.154 --> 11:40.314 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 11:40.574 --> 11:43.336 [SPEAKER_01]: And then going out there with a set of backpack straps, and that's it. 11:43.836 --> 11:47.038 [SPEAKER_01]: By the time you get to your stand, I'm like, you got bruises on your 11:49.860 --> 11:56.322 [SPEAKER_01]: So where our idea went was, what's the most efficient way to carry a pack? 11:56.542 --> 11:57.903 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's how guys hunt out west. 11:58.383 --> 12:04.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody that goes in and packs an on-out-con, or even just a backcountry hunt, they have a frame-style pack, right? 12:04.485 --> 12:08.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Where you got a waist belt, adjustable shoulder, yoke, load lifters, all that stuff. 12:08.846 --> 12:09.847 [SPEAKER_01]: So the point is to, 12:10.727 --> 12:15.470 [SPEAKER_01]: get the weight is close to your back as possible, but also set the weight on your hips. 12:15.530 --> 12:18.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Your hips are way stronger than your freaking upper body. 12:18.632 --> 12:25.777 [SPEAKER_01]: So we designed that nested system to replicate a Western style frame pack and then use the Z8 hang on as the actual frame. 12:26.718 --> 12:27.038 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 12:27.639 --> 12:27.999 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 12:28.440 --> 12:32.744 [SPEAKER_00]: And so then it all kind of comes together as one system. 12:33.425 --> 12:35.046 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, everything, it's designed. 12:35.066 --> 12:38.489 [SPEAKER_01]: So it goes together the exact same way every single time. 12:38.910 --> 12:39.270 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha. 12:39.811 --> 12:40.171 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha. 12:40.672 --> 12:40.952 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 12:41.572 --> 12:45.236 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, out of curiosity, is there a way to take the, 12:46.537 --> 12:56.650 [SPEAKER_00]: the rails and the pack off of the stand before like without having to take the shoulder straps in the stand off itself. 12:57.383 --> 13:05.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that I leave my the actual core pack of the the core pack of the core pack of the core pack the frame system stays on a stand. 13:05.311 --> 13:07.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I haunt with it on I leave it on got you. 13:07.754 --> 13:09.956 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you can take it off if you want. 13:09.976 --> 13:16.403 [SPEAKER_01]: There's some guys that are paranoid about that hanging off of the stand while you're hunting, but yeah in the last four years and me using it I 13:17.631 --> 13:19.312 [SPEAKER_01]: that I've just leaving it on. 13:19.492 --> 13:21.013 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about the sticks. 13:21.233 --> 13:34.921 [SPEAKER_00]: So one of the things that I have always done, and this is with my older system is that I have a bow holder and I put my sticks in a bow holder. 13:35.381 --> 13:40.744 [SPEAKER_00]: So that way, when I get to the base of the tree, all I have to do is just start putting my sticks up. 13:40.924 --> 13:43.706 [SPEAKER_00]: And I leave my stand and my pack on my back, 13:44.306 --> 13:46.947 [SPEAKER_00]: And with my linemen's belt, then I can hang off. 13:47.007 --> 13:50.528 [SPEAKER_00]: I can screw in us like a hook and then slide everything off. 13:50.548 --> 14:01.751 [SPEAKER_00]: Hang it on the hook, detach my, detach my pack and go right into hanging this trees to in and then like off my hip, I have my bow rope. 14:01.771 --> 14:03.132 [SPEAKER_00]: That's already connected to my bow. 14:03.152 --> 14:11.194 [SPEAKER_00]: So once the stand is set up and really what I'm doing is to, I'm trying to prevent going up and down the tree X number of times. 14:11.694 --> 14:37.994 [SPEAKER_01]: correct you don't you should only have to go up and down the tree it just you only go up the tree once yeah exactly and so can I can I can I can I like reach behind and take the sticks off without having to take the straps off like the stand off my back yes so the way it's actually designed is when you get to the base of the tree you basically the system comes off your back you set it down you pop the rails off in the backpack off and then you put the stand back on your back 14:38.835 --> 14:42.976 [SPEAKER_01]: You end up hauling up the gear bag with a haul line the same way you would with your bullrope. 14:43.316 --> 14:47.157 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but the rails, there's an accessory that every corpette comes with. 14:47.517 --> 14:56.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Where it actually attaches to your waist belt on whether you're right or left handed, that has like a loop that you put the buttons of the rails in so they all sit at your hip. 14:56.819 --> 15:02.421 [SPEAKER_01]: So with one hand, you can pop a rail off, set it on the tree, climb up, grab the next one, one handed. 15:02.541 --> 15:04.961 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, you should never have to go up and down the tree. 15:09.122 --> 15:26.251 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, and so, when you guys were designing all of this and coming together, why, like, when you look at a mobile hunting stick, it does yours is nowhere close to anybody else's, right? 15:26.411 --> 15:33.555 [SPEAKER_00]: It is, it's a box, it has two support rails, instead of the one, your foot goes in the center, 15:37.804 --> 15:39.845 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I, in fact, that's funny, brought that up. 15:39.905 --> 15:42.186 [SPEAKER_01]: I've really tried to hammer that messaging. 15:42.206 --> 15:44.586 [SPEAKER_01]: We produce a rail, not a climbing stick. 15:44.726 --> 15:48.008 [SPEAKER_01]: For the sole reason, climbing sticks are all single-stamps. 15:48.528 --> 15:51.089 [SPEAKER_01]: Rails are basically like individual ladder sections. 15:51.109 --> 15:52.529 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of reasons we did that. 15:53.530 --> 15:59.992 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the most common complaints and just my experience as well with the sticks that I've used in the past. 16:01.277 --> 16:10.723 [SPEAKER_01]: When you have a single stem stick, that cam strap has to attach to a button or something at the same contact point and then wrap around the tree. 16:11.103 --> 16:19.789 [SPEAKER_01]: What with the angle of that, your pressure is now basically on the sides of the tree, not directly behind the tree from where you put the stick if that makes sense. 16:20.589 --> 16:28.714 [SPEAKER_01]: So guys have a view if that stick isn't seated perfectly and you put too much pressure on one side of the stick for us, the other, the bottom can kick out. 16:30.198 --> 16:48.775 [SPEAKER_01]: So with the light rails, I think, what is that like a seven to eight inch gap in the middle or it's sorry nine in between rails, which spaces out that attachment point, which on a normal size tree actually helps stuck that rail into the trees, so the pressures on the back side of the strap, not on the sides of the tree. 16:48.835 --> 16:54.380 [SPEAKER_01]: So that spacing helps avoid pivoting and kicking out when you're going up the tree. 16:55.041 --> 16:57.602 [SPEAKER_01]: You also in traps like the user's foot, right? 16:57.622 --> 17:00.082 [SPEAKER_01]: So you don't have to worry about in the dark missing the step. 17:00.582 --> 17:04.383 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're in it, you can't go too far left or right, because you'll feel the end of the rail. 17:04.803 --> 17:05.024 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 17:05.504 --> 17:05.744 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 17:06.564 --> 17:08.424 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then let's see here. 17:09.045 --> 17:12.225 [SPEAKER_00]: Where does the actual attachment? 17:12.846 --> 17:13.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it? 17:13.326 --> 17:13.966 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, um, 17:15.126 --> 17:17.487 [SPEAKER_00]: on the let's say like a normal climbing stick. 17:18.107 --> 17:24.149 [SPEAKER_00]: The attachment is like one third of the way up and then you kind of pull it down to get it tight. 17:24.769 --> 17:27.170 [SPEAKER_00]: Where does it connect on your rails? 17:27.710 --> 17:28.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's about the same. 17:28.851 --> 17:32.472 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say it's a third of the way down from the top of the rail. 17:32.552 --> 17:34.373 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's above the halfway point. 17:35.093 --> 17:38.854 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know is there a reason why it's there and not in the middle 17:41.596 --> 17:42.556 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm not sure. 17:42.576 --> 17:44.757 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the guy could totally answer that. 17:44.797 --> 17:52.700 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my, my guess on on that part of the design is that if you have it in the middle, when you sink, you're doesn't matter what sticker, what really you have. 17:53.101 --> 18:00.564 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you have it up at the top, and then you pull down because when you want to suck that thing of the tree, everybody's got to kind of lever that down. 18:00.964 --> 18:03.725 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to help avoid the kick out stuff at least on the top. 18:04.313 --> 18:04.673 [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha. 18:05.134 --> 18:05.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 18:05.854 --> 18:09.877 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at the pictures of the actual rails right now. 18:10.717 --> 18:14.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk to me a little bit about how the rails stack on each other. 18:15.180 --> 18:18.462 [SPEAKER_00]: And is it metal on metal or is there some cushioning to make it quiet? 18:19.143 --> 18:19.643 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 18:19.663 --> 18:23.426 [SPEAKER_01]: So there are little nylon clips that both at the top and the bottom of the 18:26.988 --> 18:30.349 [SPEAKER_01]: the bottom portion of a rail and then the top portion they all click in together. 18:30.389 --> 18:34.250 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's actually no metal on metal contact with that at all. 18:34.470 --> 18:36.771 [SPEAKER_01]: It's there a heavy duty nylon. 18:37.011 --> 18:39.071 [SPEAKER_01]: They work really, really simple. 18:39.291 --> 18:44.933 [SPEAKER_01]: So whether you want to stack two rail, three rails or 20 rails, they all just kind of go one by one. 18:44.953 --> 18:47.573 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can basically use as many rails as you want. 18:47.954 --> 18:48.734 [SPEAKER_01]: We sell the system 18:53.999 --> 19:18.350 [SPEAKER_01]: what is what do the rails come with you they come with a rope do they come with a ratchet strap they come with a cam strap we do make the light rail rope attachment which is separate honestly I haven't used a cam strap ever on those things I'm not a huge cam strap guy at all once you use you know like an am steel style rope it's really hard to go back why because you can't store the 19:23.432 --> 19:30.056 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to have them in a pocket or dang them over and then you got straps hanging off versus the light rail rope kit that we sell. 19:30.757 --> 19:33.318 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep those ropes mounted on the rails at all times. 19:33.358 --> 19:39.542 [SPEAKER_01]: So as you're climbing up, you just undo the rope, throw it around, tie a half hitch, and it's so much faster and longer. 19:40.103 --> 19:40.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha. 19:40.663 --> 19:41.824 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 19:42.784 --> 19:43.285 [SPEAKER_00]: On average. 19:44.207 --> 19:44.687 [SPEAKER_00]: going back. 19:44.727 --> 19:47.069 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you sell the three sell them in a three pack. 19:47.730 --> 19:49.171 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what most guys are using? 19:49.191 --> 19:53.995 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I always go, I always bring in four sticks in with me. 19:54.516 --> 19:55.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Funny, you brought that up. 19:55.777 --> 19:57.218 [SPEAKER_01]: We're in that debate right now. 19:57.398 --> 20:01.622 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I have a bundle in draft on the website for a system with a fourth step. 20:03.463 --> 20:10.086 [SPEAKER_01]: We seem to be selling for everybody that buys a system, either by a fourth rail with it, or at some point they'll come by another one. 20:10.386 --> 20:10.586 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 20:10.866 --> 20:16.489 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's just their stuff that goes into packaging and other reasons why we haven't done it that way. 20:16.969 --> 20:21.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And then along with now you have to change basically everything on the website and some other stuff. 20:21.491 --> 20:23.913 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do have a bundle that we're waiting to turn on. 20:25.533 --> 20:29.078 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the other thing that kind of combat to that is the eight years. 20:29.258 --> 20:31.581 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I run, I don't run for four rails. 20:32.061 --> 20:34.044 [SPEAKER_01]: I run three rails, but all of them have an eight year. 20:34.485 --> 20:36.207 [SPEAKER_01]: And I seem to be able to get between anywhere. 20:36.633 --> 20:37.693 [SPEAKER_01]: 15 to 18 feet. 20:38.194 --> 20:38.554 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha. 20:40.114 --> 20:41.555 [SPEAKER_00]: How tall are you out of curiosity? 20:41.875 --> 20:43.096 [SPEAKER_00]: I am five foot eight. 20:43.576 --> 20:44.316 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, five eight. 20:44.376 --> 20:57.942 [SPEAKER_00]: So and obviously the taller the guy, the bigger the like the higher you can get, but what on average, how high is three sticks getting or three rails getting? 20:58.422 --> 21:01.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, three rails without eighters is about 12 feet, 12 feet. 21:01.784 --> 21:10.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we have, we do have a chart in a video where we actually filmed going up five rails and setting the stand with out um, eighters and then five rails with eighters. 21:10.729 --> 21:15.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's a it's a super common question, but you know, we are a part of TMA too. 21:15.071 --> 21:23.376 [SPEAKER_01]: So there are some standards on like, you know, you have to have X amount of step-to-step distance and in all that stuff to rate your products with. 21:23.656 --> 21:24.196 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 21:24.416 --> 21:24.696 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 21:24.996 --> 21:25.497 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, cool. 21:26.799 --> 21:35.020 [SPEAKER_00]: And then let's talk, is there anything else cool or different or unique about the rail system that we haven't touched on yet? 21:36.938 --> 21:43.080 [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that it's just got, you can have two feet at the same level was also the big goal, right? 21:43.240 --> 21:49.863 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so much easier and honestly, it's safer to hang a tree stand when you don't have to have one foot down, one foot up. 21:49.903 --> 21:52.804 [SPEAKER_01]: You can have both feet together, work in hands free. 21:52.824 --> 21:54.144 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to shift your way. 21:54.184 --> 22:01.327 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was another thing, just between the design of trying to be light, trying to be efficient, you know, and our safety's a big thing for us too. 22:01.767 --> 22:01.987 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 22:02.568 --> 22:03.648 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'll say this. 22:04.289 --> 22:06.070 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying it out loud. 22:06.690 --> 22:23.661 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this is a this rail system would be a better introduction to a mobile hunter than a stick system from what you've already said and having the stability and the bottom kick out and things like that. 22:24.041 --> 22:24.602 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like 22:25.912 --> 22:34.815 [SPEAKER_00]: I would feel much safer giving my oldest boy a set of these and having him go try to figure it out then something else. 22:35.195 --> 22:35.955 [SPEAKER_00]: If that makes sense. 22:36.535 --> 22:36.755 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 22:37.215 --> 22:37.395 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 22:37.995 --> 22:42.997 [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, but outside of that, man, pretty unique cool system. 22:43.397 --> 22:43.657 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 22:43.737 --> 22:46.518 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk, uh, let's talk tree stand real quick. 22:46.658 --> 22:47.998 [SPEAKER_00]: Break down this tree stand for us. 22:49.039 --> 22:49.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:49.279 --> 22:51.219 [SPEAKER_01]: So we got an 8.6 pound hang on. 22:51.479 --> 22:52.520 [SPEAKER_01]: It's cast aluminum. 22:53.740 --> 22:53.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, 22:54.606 --> 23:03.988 [SPEAKER_01]: It's for the price, I mean, it's under 300 bucks for a cast aluminum hang on for a hang on of that size and we're talking the platform in the seats. 23:04.768 --> 23:11.790 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about 20% lighter than what's out there already on the market, you know, typically if you got our platforms 20 by 28 inches. 23:12.370 --> 23:16.151 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, you know, it's not a super tiny tree stand by any means. 23:16.411 --> 23:18.051 [SPEAKER_01]: We call it a full size platform. 23:18.651 --> 23:22.312 [SPEAKER_01]: So on average for what the competition has, it's about 20% lighter. 23:23.352 --> 23:24.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha. 23:24.392 --> 23:25.833 [SPEAKER_01]: And the same platform. 23:26.973 --> 23:27.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 23:27.413 --> 23:27.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 23:27.634 --> 23:29.174 [SPEAKER_01]: And the same platform size. 23:29.234 --> 23:30.755 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have a patented. 23:30.795 --> 23:32.995 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a z-shaped profile around the edge. 23:33.055 --> 23:39.758 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you actually look at a picture that hang on, it's got like, it looks like half of an i-beam around the edge, which nobody else has. 23:40.258 --> 23:45.100 [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason we did that is because that allows us to shave a bunch of weight while also increasing the durability. 23:45.120 --> 23:45.720 [SPEAKER_01]: So. 23:46.840 --> 23:58.791 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess a reason we have a patent on that, but it's also rated for 350, so a lot of the hang-ons, especially three, four years ago when we were launching this thing, majority of hang-ons were only rated to 300 pounds. 23:59.352 --> 23:59.732 [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha. 23:59.992 --> 24:03.315 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's no joke there. 24:03.696 --> 24:09.121 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk to me like, okay, so you have this half-ibing beam system. 24:11.293 --> 24:18.055 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a bat wing on the back that allows you to adjust the stand on crooked trees? 24:19.055 --> 24:24.216 [SPEAKER_00]: So the top tree blade is actually straight for that reason. 24:24.356 --> 24:28.377 [SPEAKER_01]: So instead of having a curve like a lot of tree stand, the bottom tree blade has a V to it. 24:28.697 --> 24:33.118 [SPEAKER_01]: The top one is perfectly straight because you only need two points to contact to lock that thing in. 24:33.538 --> 24:40.980 [SPEAKER_01]: So whether it's, you know, you got a tree leaning to the right or a tree leaning to the left, you know, 15 degrees or so, you can straighten that tree stand out. 24:41.500 --> 24:41.860 [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha. 24:42.040 --> 24:42.300 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 24:42.641 --> 24:43.681 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is adjustable. 24:44.201 --> 24:44.381 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 24:44.881 --> 24:45.081 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 24:45.502 --> 24:50.363 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's adjustable on the For leaning forward and leaning back as well. 24:50.883 --> 24:51.524 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 24:51.584 --> 24:51.784 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 24:51.864 --> 24:55.285 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're actually Teaser common soon. 24:55.305 --> 24:58.406 [SPEAKER_01]: The new hands are gonna add just another slot in there. 24:58.606 --> 25:01.267 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have 15 total degrees of adjustment. 25:01.647 --> 25:01.887 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 25:02.127 --> 25:02.368 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool. 25:02.568 --> 25:02.748 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool. 25:05.850 --> 25:09.513 [SPEAKER_00]: What are your end users saying about this? 25:09.734 --> 25:12.236 [SPEAKER_00]: That they like the trees to end? 25:13.306 --> 25:15.887 [SPEAKER_01]: As far as a tree stand, there are guys like the price, you know? 25:16.447 --> 25:17.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it doesn't matter what brand you have. 25:17.908 --> 25:23.671 [SPEAKER_01]: There's always haters online from guys that don't buy it, where they're like, you know, $300 for hang on as crazy expensive. 25:23.751 --> 25:28.933 [SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at the mobile hunting market, it's really not as far as what's out there. 25:29.053 --> 25:32.214 [SPEAKER_01]: But for the size, for how easy it is to hang. 25:32.274 --> 25:33.795 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of compliments on that. 25:33.955 --> 25:39.858 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I haven't mentioned yet is that lower tree blade, we're able to find a picture of that stand from the side. 25:40.518 --> 25:45.661 [SPEAKER_01]: something different about it is everybody else is hang on basically from the platform to the tree blade is flat. 25:46.582 --> 25:54.507 [SPEAKER_01]: R's actually rises and has an angle and kind of points upwards for the sole reason of using one strap in camming that stand in. 25:55.267 --> 25:59.230 [SPEAKER_00]: When you have the leverage kind of makes the back end go. 25:59.450 --> 25:59.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Woo! 26:00.110 --> 26:01.631 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to dig into the tree more. 26:02.072 --> 26:05.195 [SPEAKER_00]: The easiest term for that is you're camming the stand over a center. 26:05.775 --> 26:11.100 [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of people when they hang a tree stand and they get it really tight, they'll have a springboard effect in that platform. 26:11.120 --> 26:13.402 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you ever had it where it's the way it's not on it. 26:13.562 --> 26:15.504 [SPEAKER_01]: It's cables who kind of rise up in it bounces. 26:15.804 --> 26:16.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 26:16.365 --> 26:19.408 [SPEAKER_01]: This cams over past that so you'll never have that with this platform. 26:20.165 --> 26:33.755 [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome because there's been a ton of times, especially when I used to do more running gun in the dark in the mornings, back in the day, I would like, I would step off my stick. 26:34.415 --> 26:42.822 [SPEAKER_00]: My obviously my weight is helping the stand be there, but I would step onto my stick on the way down and the front and the stand would raise, raise up. 26:43.602 --> 26:45.484 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's unique, that's pretty cool. 26:50.195 --> 26:52.856 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like grab the tree and then pull it up with my tail. 26:53.136 --> 26:55.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Just near toe a couple inches and set that down. 26:55.336 --> 26:57.237 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I do that. 26:58.257 --> 27:00.998 [SPEAKER_01]: I only ever use one cam strap for the most part up top. 27:01.058 --> 27:09.159 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's two buttons on that stand where you can use a second strap, because a lot of people that are new to mobile hunting, like they don't trust one strap. 27:09.179 --> 27:09.900 [SPEAKER_01]: They just don't. 27:10.000 --> 27:11.740 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have that, they're for extra security. 27:11.780 --> 27:14.401 [SPEAKER_01]: But this was designed for one strap. 27:14.581 --> 27:17.021 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically, you can lock that tree stand in super tight. 27:17.041 --> 27:19.702 [SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't have to use a second strap unless you want to. 27:20.542 --> 27:45.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the is the button on the Riser part of the stand there in case you do when you use to yeah, so yep So so so basically once you once you lock in your tree stand and then you think it's solid then you would go and set your second strap and just pull that type So yeah, never ever toe hits your toe hook a tree stand while that bottom strap is on yeah, man I'll tell you this right now. 27:45.421 --> 27:45.441 [SPEAKER_00]: I 27:47.270 --> 27:57.238 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I only used one strap for the first 10 years of being a mobile hunter, yeah, just I didn't plus I don't I don't even think. 27:58.178 --> 28:02.660 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think there was a second attachment point available on the original loan wolfs. 28:03.340 --> 28:09.622 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it was just the one, one kiss or button or the one, uh, what do they call that, uh, that button. 28:10.262 --> 28:10.462 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 28:10.502 --> 28:11.863 [SPEAKER_00]: That's everything straps to you. 28:11.963 --> 28:19.546 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, uh, yeah, I mean, but now these days, I'm, I'm, I'm strapping it down with two all the time. 28:19.786 --> 28:22.567 [SPEAKER_00]: Just, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm getting older. 28:23.267 --> 28:26.291 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like I don't trust the stands and stuff that I use. 28:26.331 --> 28:31.077 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that I just wanted there for a little bit extra safety. 28:31.635 --> 29:00.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, and it makes sense too like if you're not tree that leans left or right and it's hard like you used to lock in that bottom platform but you might have one tree blade that has heavier contact than the other like that's where that second strap comes into play of like okay now you don't have to worry about this thing bouncing a little bit right absolutely all right okay so anything else about the about the hang on that's unique or different what it looks like it comes with a pad 29:01.743 --> 29:02.783 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it comes with it. 29:02.803 --> 29:14.649 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a it's a two inch that closed cell phone pad, so that's just kind of stand standard on it and next year we'll be teaser again coming out with a different seat option to so nice. 29:14.949 --> 29:15.149 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:16.049 --> 29:16.870 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely. 29:17.430 --> 29:20.211 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, from there, we go to the packs. 29:20.871 --> 29:23.152 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk a little bit about the packs. 29:23.212 --> 29:24.373 [SPEAKER_00]: What options they have. 29:24.773 --> 29:26.554 [SPEAKER_00]: How that works in with this system. 29:27.606 --> 29:27.906 [SPEAKER_01]: terror. 29:28.586 --> 29:31.167 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have two different options for packs. 29:31.207 --> 29:35.489 [SPEAKER_01]: We basically have the 15 liter or the 35 liter. 29:35.509 --> 29:37.310 [SPEAKER_01]: 35 liter came first. 29:37.350 --> 29:39.110 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the first system we came on with. 29:39.771 --> 29:43.992 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we launched in there's a different market out there in the mobile industry. 29:44.452 --> 29:53.256 [SPEAKER_01]: There's the group of what I call heartos, which I wouldn't consider myself a hearto, but on Facebook, the guys that are always buying gear, always talking about gear. 29:53.976 --> 30:03.184 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I would say that represents probably 15% of the entire mobile market, and then you have 75% of people that, you know, don't ever comment during gauge on post. 30:03.204 --> 30:13.092 [SPEAKER_01]: They just watch, if we launched and we had a lot of early adopters guys that bought it right away, guys that loved it, you know, online guys were like, oh, like that's way too much storage. 30:13.132 --> 30:14.353 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to pack that big. 30:14.393 --> 30:18.336 [SPEAKER_01]: So right away, we went to the drawing board of like, okay, let's come on with a pack that's 30:19.157 --> 30:21.399 [SPEAKER_01]: not nearly the size of the 35 liter. 30:21.419 --> 30:24.441 [SPEAKER_01]: So we opted on 15 in the differences basically. 30:24.462 --> 30:28.365 [SPEAKER_00]: You just lose the side dump pouches and then the pack is not quite as deep. 30:28.825 --> 30:30.546 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've got you two options. 30:30.586 --> 30:33.809 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're more of a minimalist, go with the 15 liter setup. 30:34.209 --> 30:39.794 [SPEAKER_01]: The gear bags by themselves and you can use they all have nice backpack straps so you can use it just as a regular backpack. 30:40.234 --> 30:42.276 [SPEAKER_01]: or like a day pack or scouting or whatever. 30:42.296 --> 30:49.523 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the guys here at the office, you know, he uses it early season if he wants to run a saddle like you can strap a platform to it. 30:49.564 --> 30:50.564 [SPEAKER_01]: The rails sit right on it. 30:50.605 --> 30:53.227 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a super lightweight saddle system. 30:53.708 --> 30:53.908 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 30:54.637 --> 31:01.021 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you ever have guys use your, just use the top of the stick for their platform? 31:02.442 --> 31:02.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy. 31:03.203 --> 31:07.966 [SPEAKER_01]: We went to the mobile honor expo when it was in Kalamazoo, Michigan, two years ago. 31:08.606 --> 31:11.168 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in that was like the one thing everybody did. 31:11.428 --> 31:16.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they literally have all the test trees and guys would be on that top rail and they'd be using it. 31:16.251 --> 31:16.431 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 31:16.711 --> 31:18.212 [SPEAKER_01]: In theory, yes, you can. 31:18.592 --> 31:18.772 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 31:18.912 --> 31:20.713 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to market it that way at all. 31:20.733 --> 31:31.217 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just because if somebody's leaning around the tree and they're completely pushing the way it off, like I don't want to have to see something stupid happen, but in theory, you could do it that way. 31:31.537 --> 31:34.418 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got you, because that's what I would do. 31:34.698 --> 31:44.322 [SPEAKER_00]: If I saw something like that being able to have a wider top with, like the two foot option there, and you were doubly hard up, I mean, it's not huge. 31:45.065 --> 31:47.667 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a five and a half inch standoff. 31:47.707 --> 31:50.910 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's, but it's also one last thing you'd have to pack. 31:50.950 --> 31:52.992 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we actually tankered with that here. 31:53.012 --> 32:07.385 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a test tree downstairs where we do a bunch of testing on stuff and we'd strapped in with the sattles where we're sitting there bouncing off the tree and kicking that thing in and then standing off to the side and kicking it just trying to see if we could get the damn rail to kick out and didn't happen. 32:07.665 --> 32:08.166 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. 32:08.886 --> 32:31.996 [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha, gotcha, so the packs, they connect to the rail, the rails connect to the stand and then so what I want you to do now is you got a nested system on your back You have your you have your weapon in your hand, maybe your bow rope in your pocket or whatever walk me through you get to the tree. 32:32.016 --> 32:35.138 [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna set up in and walk me through setting it all the way up 32:36.223 --> 32:36.884 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:36.904 --> 32:42.928 [SPEAKER_01]: So you get to the tree and first thing you do, you basically take the system off your back. 32:43.269 --> 32:49.814 [SPEAKER_01]: You undo if you're using a 35 liter, there's two clips on the front side of the pack and then there's some straps that hold the rails in tight. 32:51.095 --> 32:54.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Basically, you take the rails off, slide them off the pack, set those down. 32:55.518 --> 32:57.821 [SPEAKER_01]: Click back your pack and then you take the pack off. 32:57.842 --> 33:00.265 [SPEAKER_01]: There's two G buckles on the top. 33:00.726 --> 33:03.830 [SPEAKER_01]: There's two little clips on the side and then there's two clips on the bottom. 33:03.850 --> 33:05.553 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's six totally undo that. 33:06.013 --> 33:08.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Take the pack off, set that down, tie a haul line to it. 33:09.138 --> 33:11.161 [SPEAKER_01]: And then a stand goes back on your back. 33:12.022 --> 33:19.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Stands on your back, you use the attachment piece we sell with the core pack to holster the rails basically at your hip. 33:19.887 --> 33:33.795 [SPEAKER_01]: Put your first rail on the tree, while lineman's belt is on, and you just start going up the tree, set all your rails, and then once you're on your top rail, you hang your stand, came that over, hop in, and then basically you just pull up your bag and the uh, your weapon. 33:34.296 --> 33:34.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:36.874 --> 33:45.340 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to have a separate gear hook for the core packs because there's two G buckles at the very top of that pack. 33:45.360 --> 33:47.661 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go online and look, there's little black G buckles. 33:49.503 --> 33:56.207 [SPEAKER_01]: Those actually, what we designed that to do is hook to the cam strap, the top cam strap of your tree stand. 33:56.387 --> 34:00.330 [SPEAKER_01]: So while you're sitting in the stand, that pack is right at your hip hanging there. 34:05.454 --> 34:11.499 [SPEAKER_01]: So, everything you need while you're in your tree stand is at your hip, so you don't have to lean over, you dig in that pack, it's right there. 34:12.040 --> 34:15.143 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, man. 34:15.503 --> 34:19.467 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, tear down, just do the same process, but backwards. 34:20.007 --> 34:21.809 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, in reverse. 34:22.129 --> 34:25.372 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the other reason you'd basically take your stand off, put that back on your back. 34:26.053 --> 34:35.078 [SPEAKER_01]: The other reason I like using the light rail ropes is because I'll just I'll then basically use pull the knot rope comes off and I'll just honestly lower the the rails to the ground by the rope. 34:35.658 --> 34:37.119 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just how I do it. 34:38.059 --> 34:41.361 [SPEAKER_01]: You could hold them or put them back in that holster and climb down a fit. 34:41.401 --> 34:46.143 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's faster if you just let them down to the ground and yeah, yeah, for sure. 34:46.504 --> 34:48.545 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um now. 34:49.567 --> 34:52.149 [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about everything kind of up until now. 34:52.729 --> 35:01.234 [SPEAKER_00]: You've also mentioned that you got some additional options, coming some different seat configurations or whatever. 35:01.654 --> 35:08.098 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk to us a little bit about what's coming now and what the goal is of nested like next five, 10 years. 35:09.041 --> 35:14.983 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we just, we want to keep pushing products into the market, but not, I don't want to force products into the market, right? 35:15.404 --> 35:21.706 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking in a market that I would say is on the verge of being overstatturated, the mobile-hunting market's kind of there. 35:22.226 --> 35:28.469 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially if we've gone to shows and guys are always talking about, oh, you guys getting a saddle game and our answer's just no. 35:29.409 --> 35:36.176 [SPEAKER_01]: For that reason that, you know, a couple of us guys, yeah, we do settle on, but majority of us are just big tree stand hunters. 35:36.216 --> 35:41.701 [SPEAKER_01]: So we haven't forced anything to come to market if we're not solid on an idea. 35:41.821 --> 35:48.908 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a problem that companies do is that they see, expand do this, expand do this and they're like, oh, we got to get on a train to do it. 35:49.389 --> 35:52.332 [SPEAKER_01]: And then a lot of these companies will produce products at one, they suck. 35:52.852 --> 35:54.092 [SPEAKER_01]: to the probably not safe. 35:54.332 --> 35:56.113 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're just not going to take that road. 35:56.173 --> 36:06.235 [SPEAKER_01]: So what we're doing is just listening to consumer feedback, I'm going to come out with a couple different seed options, a couple different accessory upgrades that guys have been looking for. 36:06.795 --> 36:09.996 [SPEAKER_01]: As of this morning, you know, on the website, we just launched stealth strips. 36:10.016 --> 36:10.936 [SPEAKER_01]: That's anything crazy. 36:11.036 --> 36:13.637 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we do sell our own brand and stealth strips now. 36:15.622 --> 36:16.723 [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome. 36:16.743 --> 36:17.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:17.043 --> 36:23.929 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's some more stuff that'll be coming, you know, we plan on launching a couple of new products will be at the Iowa Deer Classic this year. 36:24.329 --> 36:25.170 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 36:25.530 --> 36:28.913 [SPEAKER_01]: Testing and content and stuff to do once the year season kicks off here in a week. 36:30.378 --> 36:31.798 [SPEAKER_00]: that we were ready to come to market. 36:31.818 --> 36:32.779 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure. 36:33.159 --> 36:41.861 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds to me like you guys are gonna stick with the, trying to make it a one-stop shop system. 36:43.201 --> 36:46.282 [SPEAKER_00]: All kind of working in unison with each other. 36:46.382 --> 36:50.203 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, I mean, I feel like that's a benefit for the end user. 36:50.723 --> 37:05.411 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you have a system that, like, are a lot of your new guys coming in just buying the system straight up or are they buying a specific product first and then saying, okay, well, I like this. 37:05.451 --> 37:06.352 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to get the rest of it. 37:07.186 --> 37:29.323 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, no, they're buying the whole system right away, which, you know, I, my niche would if there's a few things in life, I'm good at one of them is advertising, I guess, where I spend a lot of my time with, you know, meta-ad videos and stuff like that, where we have a few partners that we get content from and I really focus on trying to explain what we have, explain the problem it solves with the consumer. 37:30.023 --> 37:52.477 [SPEAKER_01]: And it seems to be resonating really well and guys just, they buy the whole system and, you know, the second purchase is usually extra 8 or so it's the light rail ropes or something like that because guys are going to realize that, you know what, I don't really care to use cam straps every time I go hunt, so let's throw on some ropes or it's the guy that comes back and says, you know what, I want to get 18 feet instead of 13 feet yeah. 37:53.744 --> 37:54.286 [SPEAKER_01]: cool, man. 37:55.549 --> 37:59.881 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else that we need to talk about on about nested? 38:00.882 --> 38:23.927 [SPEAKER_01]: no other than you know I just want to hit on the fact that that core pack it really does replicate a western style frame pack so it's size to fit anybody you know I don't care if you're five foot three or your six foot eight like this shoulder yolk everything adjusts it needs to fit you perfectly which is there is a disconnect and I've noticed this going to all the shows in the Midwest where I can tell when 38:24.687 --> 38:26.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody comes to a show and they look at it. 38:26.329 --> 38:34.856 [SPEAKER_01]: They'll look at it sitting on the ground and they'll kind of lift it up and be like, Oh, yeah, that feels nice and the goal is like once you put it on, you knew it just it to yourself. 38:35.016 --> 38:38.899 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes so much more of a difference when it actually fits you in the weights on your hips. 38:39.420 --> 38:39.580 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 38:39.620 --> 38:44.544 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can tell when a guy comes in and I don't even have to talk to him and he starts adjusting everything. 38:44.965 --> 38:48.508 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, my first question is, let me guess you hunt out last and he's like, oh, yeah. 38:49.091 --> 38:57.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, you know, there's a disconnect from the whitetail world to like the elk meal do meal deer world in this somewhat kind of blend so it's two processes. 38:58.497 --> 38:58.737 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice. 38:59.297 --> 39:08.741 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, I could definitely see some guy trying to elk hunt with a nested system over a water hole or like mule there with something like this as well. 39:08.821 --> 39:10.721 [SPEAKER_00]: So, cool, man. 39:10.781 --> 39:16.363 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, if people want to find out more information about nested tree-stand systems, where should we send them? 39:16.903 --> 39:19.144 [SPEAKER_01]: They got to go to nestedtreestans.com. 39:19.264 --> 39:21.825 [SPEAKER_01]: So, everything's on the website, and find everything there. 39:22.945 --> 39:25.566 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have a bunch of YouTube videos and stuff on our channel too. 39:27.487 --> 39:31.211 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll how you can get and then basically a deeper dive on every product. 39:32.031 --> 39:32.452 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect. 39:32.712 --> 39:33.112 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect. 39:33.553 --> 39:37.036 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Gabe, man, I really appreciate you taking time out of your data. 39:37.316 --> 39:42.721 [SPEAKER_00]: Drop some knowledge on us about nested and good luck to stuff coming season, man. 39:43.361 --> 39:43.562 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 39:43.582 --> 39:43.842 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.