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[SPEAKER_00]: We are back with week three of the bottom five podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got Johnny Palermo on the ones and twos over there and I am Jeremy Odom folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things are starting to, you all right, I would like to say that things are starting to take shape a little bit in the NFL where we're seeing some of the good and some of the bad and they're kind of like separating themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got to think, you've got to think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these teams that are sitting there at 0 and 3, one of them's gonna make the playoffs, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're not all bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Plus, it doesn't seem like the fan base is completely flipped and turned on a team, like the Houston Texans for a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh and three, now is there a cause for alarm?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this team's still on paper and still on the field feels like

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[SPEAKER_00]: like they could contend in this division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't feel like it's out of reach quite yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't feel like we're at that point in the season where, well, the good have shaped up to be the good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Kansas Chitty Chiefs of the World.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the bad have settled themselves into, to bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, uh, freaking dolphins of the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which means the bottom five gets a little interesting

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, there's 5 teams at 0 and 3, but the science that goes into finding out and determining the official and the definitive list of the bottom 5 teams in the NFL, it goes further than just wins and losses, Johnny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've told you this a million times, it's a play on the field, it's the eye test, it's statistics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the vibes, it's the fan base, it's the body language.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A line vault here, Johnny, a line vault to get to the bottom five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just review real quickly last week's five from week two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had number five Pittsburgh Steelers then the Tampa Bay Bucket years at three was the Miami Dolphins two at Lanta Falcon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course for this second week in a row, it was the Los Angeles Chargers and if you watched the Chargers against the bills, you saw a better football team this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you definitely saw one phase of the game play differently, and that was the defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will get into that, yes, the Chargers are still in the five, but are they at number one and would they be one of the only teams to ever in the history of the bottom five have a three week streak?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will find out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But first, we're going to dig into a team that does have a win on their record, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I am completely throwing aside right now that there's five teams that are O and 3.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So no, they all five will not be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will not be those teams that are O and 3.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how this ranking works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very scientific process, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny, I don't know if I don't know if we're gonna get much applause like I don't think Packers fans that this is what

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is what they're at home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't do a Plaza.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, that might work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Little rim shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That might work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That probably fits a little better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, this Thursday night game was the Atlanta Falcons versus Green Bay Packers and it was the 2026 season debut of Falcons quarterback Michael Panic's junior Returning from ACL surgery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing guys

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing, is as bad as the Falcons were those first two weeks, okay, on to QB4, okay, on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As bad as they looked, is the problem simply that they were on QB4 and the Michael Panics was in out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's Michael Panics that valuable to this team that once he's on the field, they

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[SPEAKER_00]: What?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The packers sure made them look that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The packers who are off to, uh, uh, I test wise, not very good start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely getting demolished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go on an opening, drive score to take, uh, to take the lead there in the first quarter, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Atlanta completely dominates the rest of the game scoring 27 on answer points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The blowout ended Green Bay's 13 game winning streak in home opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at this, at this point, at this point, there's cause for alarm and green bay, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sure you don't have your best player on defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure you don't have arguably your best player on offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're running back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't look like he's coming back games, I'm soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's all it's going to take for

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[SPEAKER_00]: the packers to completely fall face the earth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean this might be this might be the year that they're obviously climbing the draft stock charts just slightly but also are we are we getting into that range where there's going to be a coaching change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there could have been last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every year they're progressively getting just a little bit worse as far as they're finished as far as the plan feels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you at points in last season was well when Jordan loves back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he goes back, he does good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's out there now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's out there now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan love 28 for 53.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 312 yards, two touchdowns, one perception.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's having to chuck the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't establish the run game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're having to chuck the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Simply because

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're down by so much, but you just can't run the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about, well, we couldn't establish one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't even run the 17 total rushing yards for the Green Bay Packers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How about this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my favorite side of the whole game, time of possession, Atlanta Falcons, 37 minutes, and five seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Packers, 22 minutes, 55 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not gonna win many football games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, with that being the stat, but holy cow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the Falcons absolutely demolishing the Packers with a score of 35 to 14.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Pack Dave, they've earned this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They deserve to be in the bottom five of week, number three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we had number four, again, here's a team with a loss, with a win and two losses, a team that after the first week, big shocking loss to Seattle,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Seahawks lost, QB1 almost instantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Patriots, you know, go down, and they felt like they had this game under control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Only to have the Seahawks come back and win that game with Drew Lock at quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the Patriot, they rebound a little bit, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Week two, they get a win, close game, but they get the win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then playing Jacksonville and this is a game you got to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a game you have to at least be competitive in and instead on the road in Jacksonville The Patriots lose 35 to 6 Drake, man, I'm sure you saw the highlight low light whenever you want to call that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Johnny He drops back to throw and the ball just flies out of his hand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said there was blood on the football and that's why it slipped

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have grip-age, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've grown on my whole life with stellar grip-age, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Many a grip-age contests have gone my way throughout the years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can tell you, it's something I probably should have put on my resume.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Never did, but probably should have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's not too late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It may not be too late, but Drake may.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you can have that ball slip in ahead of your hands?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even the running game was getting touchdowns, Tutan, Rodriguez, Jr. Hey, what was the deal with Trevor Lawrence, running eight minutes left, sprinting to the end zone, just dropping at the one yard line, just dropping, no injury, just looking at me, just calling it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says he was looking out for those fantasy football players that have Tutan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was eight minutes left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People are calling for it to be investigated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, nothing will come about, but that was weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am going to give him that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one was weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, Drake may.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has struggled heavily with ball security throwing two picks, fumble twice, including that I want to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was pulled in the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just crazy to think that this Patriots team, which was just on absolute tear last season, Drake may be playing an MVP level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a football team that just looks completely lost in all areas and you know now they got to play at at the Buffalo bills in a week for so that's going to be a tough one here for your new in the Patriot to land at number four on the bottom five number three Well, it's those Tennessee Titans this is this is a team that was in the bottom five after week one came out of it

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[SPEAKER_00]: came out of it because they looked, they looked a little better after week two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Week three, they definitely earned their spot back playing the New York Giants who were without, without Jackson Dark, lose to the Giants, 12 to 7, James, James.

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[SPEAKER_00]: James Winston with the wind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm struggling with a 12 seven wind James James Winston being the leading quarterback there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's just wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants who for all tense of purposes were were declared dead after Jackson Dart was done for the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were talking about Jackson Dart, you know, being available for the playoffs and people were like

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[SPEAKER_00]: that you win games like this it dog fights yeah you might you might pile up enough wins to be able to get into the playoffs then they trade and then after the the game they trade for JJ McCarthy for a fifth round pick with the Minnesota Vikings so yeah you got james wins in there but uh and and and he hardball has said he is our starting quarterback but that's a matter of time I mean it's they got to get JJ up the speeds he would they gotten him and then it's gonna be JJ's team so this is a very

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[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, with Tennessee Titans, it don't three, things aren't as interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely thought this was going to be a team that was going to be moving and taking a step forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to learn how to win some football games, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Beading the giants and total yardage 262 to 238.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all that came from passing yards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It came more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but the running game getting out ran 81 to 138 and then two turnovers lost this uh... that just that's not the recipe to win

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the Titans were going to take step forward and it just seems like it's going to be, it's going to be another lost season for Titans fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're Titan fans, sorry, hit number three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, and this can't be in a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this, this, this, this team was number three last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then turned in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The intern didn't um, you know, a pretty pretty rough one against a team that a lot of folks are saying is, uh, the favorite this season and that'd be the Miami Dolphins losing to the Kansas City chiefs 24 to 10 and the Dolphins who who folks have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a stud running back, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Proble running back Devon H.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one guy to get you in the door to be excited about the one to get you to buy by tickets to come watch a star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He suffered a very non-optimistic knee injury on the opening drive and did not return.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then when you add in that defense not being able to shut down patching my homes he went off for a 11 for 11 passing start hooked up with Kenneth Walker to third on a five yard shovel pass that was a easy touchdown second quarter and sealed the win with an 11 yard touchdown pass to Travis Kelsey late in the fourth quarter 24 to 10 chiefs beat the dolphins

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said it before on a WTL last week, whereas the line where you can find your five best bets involved with the bottom five here every single Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is that what the dolphins need to do, because the play on the field's atrocious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where they're going to live all season, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't get better next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're at the Vikings who are three and oh, so it doesn't get any better for the dolphins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They need to get people in the seats to try to get some energy in that stadium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I propose you already have folks wearing paper bags on their heads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just, they're not happy being a dolphins fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I proposed they get some kind of like a deal with like publics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they have like dolphins branded paper bags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they just hand them out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as you're walking into this stadium, I mean, we make something fun of it at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my suggestion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not ideal right off its fans but it's it's it's where you're at man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well number one for the third week in a row it is my Los Angeles Chargers oh and three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what I could have been more excited when we were up ten nothing to start that game and then an opportunity to get the field goal to go up thirteen nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll sure that we miss the field goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the next thing you know the bills are they get a field goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's ten three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the very end of the half of course the bills are going to score touchdown and tie this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good football team this bill's team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 3-0 on the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, they struggled with the chargers and they struggled with them early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One phase of the game looked pretty good and that was the defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, getting five turnovers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They picked off Josh Allen twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were able to recover a lost fumble by Josh Allen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they had him run for his life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you get all those turnovers and not be able to turn them into points?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think about money and football last night with the bears case kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just picking apart the Philly, you know, defense just looked like he'd been playing all season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look like he, this was his team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Justin Herbert's team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a really good quarterback or at least has been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can, you can look back in the stats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks so lost still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we are through three weeks, three games, and we, he is completely lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not just on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All those false starts, they're confused.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're confused.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's too many, I mean, they're motioning on what 75% or 70% of the players, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then it's less than 5% that the motion man is actually getting in the target.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing, Chargers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I get Mike McDonald's smartest man in the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the road map.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's his system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was excited for it all off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now we're here and your guys aren't ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you dump it down?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that the guys feel comfortable enough to just go execute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're thinking too much, they're not going to execute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just as a, just a normal everyday fan, watching football on a Sunday, you can see that they're thinking too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least defensively, we have figured out a way to change it up here from week one, where it looked like it was eight of our guys against 11 of the Cardinals on, that's what it looked like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least now, the defense is playing physical, they're playing within a tent, and they're going out and trying to make a difference so that our offense can take advantage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason we lost that football game to the bills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 24 or 16 to fall, 0 and 3.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't get better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't get any better as we travel to the Seahawks who were 2 and 1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, as long as the charges keep playing like this, meaning lost and not, I mean, we're talking big third downs, Herbert will hit a guy, he'll hit Quentin Johnson right in the chest, right in his hands, drop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: running on a slant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're running on a slant to the outside, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not even running on a slant to the inside where he's going to get annihilated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't like the hospital ball he threw to lad in week one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not giving that to quit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Quit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about the hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to catch the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can run out of bounds if you'd like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the play is there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I totally understand, you know, you get those, you start seeing ghosts and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the hit's not there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The place not set up for you to catch and get hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a catch and run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a catch and drop to the sideline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We get those drops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We get those drops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to, you know, every single one of these teams, Packers, Patriots, Titans, Dolphins, Chargers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to, those players have to have the mindset of, okay, we're, you know, one and two or oh and three at this point, we gotta go in the rest, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We win the rest of where, right, where we want to be from the get, like all of our goals are still ahead of us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, you have to have that mindset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't, you're completely lost it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you, then you run the risk of getting your teammates hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the fans, and the management of the team, I'm not talking about coaches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Coaches have to go and prep and be prepared and try to win a football game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the folks managing the team, general managers and above, and the fans, do not have to look at that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they could see the product on the field and kind of have an idea where we're going and then decide where to spend their time in their money accordingly, which will then result and changes being made to the coaching staff to the players on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I don't know if all five of these teams are in that spot where changes are being discussed, you know, internally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but you got to figure the chargers are one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That the dolphins are one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The packers are one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was just two, and I know the dolphins didn't have high expectations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Going into the season, they are in a rebuild of all rebuilds, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Titans were two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Packers certainly weren't expecting a one and two start and to be in the play on the field to be like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chargers were not expecting me, oh, and three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just look like they just met each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who equal one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the eye test, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of factors going into this bottom five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of factors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very scientific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jenny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that is it for our bottom five this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Starting at five the packers, then the Patriots, Titans, Dolphins, and number one for the third week in a row, the Los Angeles Chargers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next Tuesday with week four's bottom five, but on Thursday, remember, check us out on WTL, where's the line where we will give you the five best bets to go along with our bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for Johnny Puff Lairbow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Jeremy Odom, get you next time.

