WEBVTT 00:01.415 --> 00:03.977 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey everybody, future editor David here. 00:04.017 --> 00:17.785 [SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to mention really quick because I forgot to mention it in the setup for the show that the comics corner with Connor stuff is going to be at the end of the podcast after the second break. 00:18.285 --> 00:21.267 [SPEAKER_03]: That's when we get really nerdy into a bunch of comic book stuff. 00:21.287 --> 00:27.591 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's one feedback email before then that does get a little bit comic bookie, but by and large, 00:29.012 --> 00:32.917 [SPEAKER_03]: front part of the podcast is full of just regular show stuff. 00:32.937 --> 00:37.802 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to worry about super comic book spoilery stuff to listen to all of that. 00:38.162 --> 00:41.766 [SPEAKER_03]: So comics corner with Connor is at the end everyone else. 00:41.847 --> 00:47.433 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for sending in all your feedback and we'll see you all for episode 7. 01:04.803 --> 01:12.728 [SPEAKER_03]: welcome back to comics versus where the lorhounds I am your host David with me as always who's ready to go. 01:13.248 --> 01:13.709 [SPEAKER_03]: Jean. 01:14.589 --> 01:16.350 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey Jean, I'm going out and I'm good. 01:16.391 --> 01:16.751 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. 01:16.771 --> 01:17.431 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing? 01:17.912 --> 01:18.492 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm cool, man. 01:18.552 --> 01:18.932 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm cool. 01:18.952 --> 01:21.474 [SPEAKER_03]: We read an open house for my kid's school today. 01:21.574 --> 01:22.214 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, nice. 01:22.274 --> 01:24.156 [SPEAKER_03]: Bad pizza and to bad salad, you know. 01:24.236 --> 01:25.977 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always, that's always a good thing. 01:27.818 --> 01:28.699 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we do today? 01:28.719 --> 01:29.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Some bad salads. 01:29.860 --> 01:30.280 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 01:30.761 --> 01:31.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Gary. 01:31.882 --> 01:38.627 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, so this is our feedback episode for episode six, bad optics from season one of lanterns. 01:38.687 --> 01:49.357 [SPEAKER_01]: And first off, let me just say thank you to everyone who wrote in, who has new have things to say if we don't get to your comment, just know that we at some point probably will get to your comment. 01:49.837 --> 02:01.998 [SPEAKER_01]: if not we talked about it or we folded it in exactly exactly so I'm truly appreciative of everyone who is feeling that it's to get in on the combo this is great. 02:03.764 --> 02:13.249 [SPEAKER_03]: And the email to get in touch with us for the final two episodes is certainly going to be interesting comics versus at the lorhounds.com link in the show notes. 02:14.249 --> 02:26.875 [SPEAKER_03]: Also in the show notes is the link to the discord where there's lots of good conversation happening there as well as all of our affiliate podcasts and to our subscription pages either supercast or 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to anything. 03:05.808 --> 03:06.609 [SPEAKER_03]: It'll just be right there. 03:07.211 --> 03:10.577 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a Google Doc that we just made available on the public share. 03:11.923 --> 03:15.766 [SPEAKER_03]: You can make a copy of it, you can download it as a PDF, whatever you want to do with it. 03:16.186 --> 03:23.111 [SPEAKER_03]: If you have any problems with the document, just email comics versus and I'll get that email, and I'll make sure that we get you sorted out. 03:23.191 --> 03:26.214 [SPEAKER_03]: But like Connor put it in all bunch of work on that and it's a pretty sweet thing. 03:26.234 --> 03:31.898 [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're down for the comics, you want to get into it at all, that is a great resource. 03:32.859 --> 03:39.063 [SPEAKER_03]: Joining me, additional thoughts from our conversation the other day 03:42.381 --> 03:45.102 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I watched it again and just you did. 03:45.122 --> 03:50.845 [SPEAKER_01]: I did, and I can't say it's my favorite episode. 03:50.865 --> 04:07.453 [SPEAKER_01]: But it made me think about things about how shows do things, not just this show, but just how shows can do things, and how productions can work. 04:08.013 --> 04:08.454 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, 04:10.083 --> 04:16.706 [SPEAKER_01]: really character-driven narratives around superhero, you know, magic, key stuff. 04:17.166 --> 04:20.047 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like an amazing thing. 04:20.087 --> 04:21.988 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I want the space Odyssey. 04:22.028 --> 04:28.690 [SPEAKER_01]: I want all of that, you know, the colors and the constructs and all of that stuff. 04:29.051 --> 04:31.151 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to see it and I need to see it. 04:31.772 --> 04:31.972 [SPEAKER_01]: But 04:32.672 --> 04:48.057 [SPEAKER_01]: when they delve into characters because I talk to friends who still collect comics and I you know I still collect comics and right you got a bullet somebody's you got a box you got your guy over there pulling things for you and you're right so yeah 04:48.777 --> 05:03.693 [SPEAKER_01]: So we do talk about, you know, the characters, like that's something that we will stay in the comic shop and we'll talk about someone's outside of what they're doing with their superpowers. 05:04.214 --> 05:05.455 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had conversations. 05:06.256 --> 05:10.578 [SPEAKER_01]: around superheroes and villains about why they're being written this way. 05:10.638 --> 05:12.639 [SPEAKER_01]: What do we think about how they're being written? 05:12.679 --> 05:15.360 [SPEAKER_01]: What does it say about this person? 05:15.380 --> 05:23.324 [SPEAKER_01]: To see that on screen and to have those conversations about what we're watching is equally as fulfilling. 05:24.304 --> 05:29.667 [SPEAKER_01]: I just need to say that I'm really enjoying all of it, all of it. 05:30.760 --> 05:31.621 [SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting. 05:31.641 --> 05:36.448 [SPEAKER_03]: I was listening to the Dungeons & Doorags podcast for episode six. 05:36.868 --> 05:39.552 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been heard that when you're up because they call me in the snow Williams. 05:45.602 --> 05:46.343 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that better? 05:46.363 --> 05:47.703 [SPEAKER_03]: We're still going to hit our locker there. 05:47.743 --> 05:48.244 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 05:48.544 --> 05:50.145 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still not feeling now. 05:50.385 --> 05:53.167 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not feeling this special guest star situation at all. 05:53.187 --> 05:54.928 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not feeling it. 05:55.048 --> 05:55.408 [SPEAKER_01]: What's that? 05:56.168 --> 05:59.150 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, look at that. 05:59.170 --> 06:03.793 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, so, right, well, that's just dipping. 06:03.913 --> 06:11.898 [SPEAKER_03]: That was to be around that one, because that's because you and Ron at this point think, because I think the rest of the guys, you down with the rest of the world. 06:12.698 --> 06:28.926 [SPEAKER_03]: There, as I said today, was they were taking a part of the show, they were picking nits and pulling it apart at the seams and taking this panel off and seeing how this thing is rusty over here and there's a part missing over there. 06:30.527 --> 06:36.310 [SPEAKER_03]: And usually when at least I know, this is true for me, when I'm 06:37.885 --> 06:47.308 [SPEAKER_03]: keyed in on that kind of plot misalignment, plot holes, feeling the hands of the writer, why did the character do this? 06:47.448 --> 06:58.551 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it serves the writer, it doesn't serve the character, per se, all of that kind of said, our bad special effects, whatever, when we get, when I get, I should stop saying, we, I'm speaking for myself here, yes. 06:58.611 --> 07:03.072 [SPEAKER_03]: When I get like that, that means that the story isn't working. 07:04.236 --> 07:05.297 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 07:05.518 --> 07:24.876 [SPEAKER_03]: And when I'm listening to JD and a do and Yvonne and Ron, all talking about the story, are you know, taking things apart, taking the show apart, and pointing out some legitimate concerns and problems, and it do is just like, Damon Lindeloff. 07:25.516 --> 07:26.437 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very simple style. 07:26.457 --> 07:27.879 [SPEAKER_03]: I call that Damon Lindel. 07:28.539 --> 07:29.300 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's hilarious. 07:31.055 --> 07:34.856 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm like, huh, that's interesting because I'm not having that reaction. 07:35.476 --> 07:35.716 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 07:36.216 --> 07:41.537 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're not just over here at Lanterns, you know, at the comics versus just glazing the show, right? 07:41.557 --> 07:50.599 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not just, when we don't like stuff on a show, on a podcast, it's very hard to podcast about when you do not enjoy a show. 07:51.219 --> 07:57.900 [SPEAKER_03]: And then we have learned over the course of the years that if we don't like a show, then we need to be upfront about it. 07:58.540 --> 07:59.741 [SPEAKER_03]: We can be inconsistent. 07:59.761 --> 08:00.421 [SPEAKER_03]: We're human beings. 08:00.461 --> 08:00.841 [SPEAKER_03]: It's okay. 08:00.861 --> 08:03.843 [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes we like something and then it changes and we like it again and whatever blah blah blah. 08:03.863 --> 08:05.604 [SPEAKER_03]: I had that problem with that issue. 08:05.644 --> 08:15.309 [SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't say problem that issue with the Rings of power season two, somebody was like, David, you were painting it all season long and then you then you liked it at the end of the season or it was the vice versa. 08:15.329 --> 08:16.470 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember which way. 08:17.830 --> 08:20.792 [SPEAKER_03]: That's fair, I'm a human being, I can be inconsistent. 08:21.092 --> 08:35.339 [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is, is that on a podcast, we have to be up front and forward with it so that people don't follow us down and then suddenly find out that we're yucking their yam or that we're, sorry, use this expression, we're a piston in their cereal. 08:35.980 --> 08:37.861 [SPEAKER_03]: And it can be, 08:38.781 --> 08:46.706 [SPEAKER_03]: when you throw, but if you start straight from the premise, not from the premise when you start at the beginning and just go, hey, I didn't like this for these reasons, pop, pop, pop. 08:46.986 --> 08:48.767 [SPEAKER_03]: Then people have like, okay, I get it. 08:48.787 --> 08:49.508 [SPEAKER_03]: I understand what you're saying. 08:49.568 --> 08:50.408 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't agree with you. 08:50.508 --> 08:52.530 [SPEAKER_03]: I have opinions about what your opinions are. 08:52.570 --> 08:53.090 [SPEAKER_03]: That's fine. 08:53.911 --> 08:54.991 [SPEAKER_03]: Gotta be straight forward about it. 08:55.812 --> 08:56.932 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm loving this show. 08:57.713 --> 08:59.034 [SPEAKER_03]: And none of the plot, 09:00.047 --> 09:04.736 [SPEAKER_03]: holes or inconsistence or anything like that that the D&D guys are pulling on. 09:05.497 --> 09:06.579 [SPEAKER_03]: None of those are bothering them. 09:06.839 --> 09:07.621 [SPEAKER_03]: I bothering me. 09:07.761 --> 09:08.402 [SPEAKER_03]: I see them. 09:08.522 --> 09:09.765 [SPEAKER_03]: I see what they're talking about. 09:09.865 --> 09:11.367 [SPEAKER_03]: I understand what they're talking about. 09:12.285 --> 09:29.948 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm like, but the characters, but but Aaron Pierre, but like how and this and that and like yeah, I didn't care that Carol showed up and they have an introduced, you know, us to her and what does that mean for the story and then that bothers me because I'm really invested in the how 09:41.708 --> 10:10.440 [SPEAKER_03]: So the story is working on me so if there are plot inconsistencies and whatnot, then I'm ignoring them or I'm just I'm bypassing them because I'm so invested in the carry and I'm like whether we're doing the true detective grounded thing or we're in space and you know, it's all pretty colored lights and zibsab, flim flame laser beams and whatnot, I'm enjoying it could be all of that and it could be none of that. 10:12.002 --> 10:36.966 [SPEAKER_03]: there are interesting characters who are going through interesting drama and yeah that's what that's what hooked me on the show and it hasn't lost me okay but I can't wait to listen to the part to see where they're going right it was a it was a long today too because they were really digging deep they're really going hard on some stuff and it was like okay I get your point 10:41.590 --> 10:59.847 [SPEAKER_03]: Love the guys and I love their takes, but it was like I don't care about airbags I don't care if this character showed up because it's still working like it doesn't not work for me So right right and I think I think you know, there's maybe some other people I like we're seeing yeah, I don't know Maybe it's not working for some people and that's okay too, right? 10:59.927 --> 11:00.387 [SPEAKER_03]: So let's 11:01.301 --> 11:08.144 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just want to make sure people do our comfortable like we're not here just glazing the show because we're trying to get like creds for that I like the show. 11:08.684 --> 11:13.446 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a I'll glaze the show that I like so that I like and I like you. 11:14.066 --> 11:19.729 [SPEAKER_03]: We would like to show that that shall not be name is not named for a reason. 11:19.829 --> 11:22.330 [SPEAKER_01]: We did that show exactly so cool. 11:23.470 --> 11:23.930 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 11:23.950 --> 11:25.411 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's get into the feedback. 11:25.771 --> 11:26.351 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. 11:26.732 --> 11:27.192 [SPEAKER_03]: First up. 11:28.122 --> 11:32.524 [SPEAKER_03]: David Lorhound, live on Mike, he wrote in and he's got something to say. 11:32.544 --> 11:38.286 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I was trying to be silly about the, because you know, but he's right from different things. 11:38.306 --> 11:41.088 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, let me just get to the point. 11:41.648 --> 11:46.610 [SPEAKER_03]: Here, let me just play this out and then we can, we can talk about it afterwards, because I already set this up last episode. 11:46.990 --> 11:47.730 [SPEAKER_04]: You are afraid. 11:49.531 --> 11:51.152 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely fucking terrible. 12:07.735 --> 12:22.118 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, besides being funny, John's little under his breath comments, the first one, the first clip was from the diner scene where how and junior or, uh, not apologizing to each other. 12:22.198 --> 12:22.438 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 12:23.238 --> 12:31.600 [SPEAKER_03]: The second is John Jr. in jail, right, with Guy Gardner leaving goes out the door and flies away. 12:32.652 --> 12:40.896 [SPEAKER_03]: And then the third clip is at the funeral after Gardener says the debt is paid stewy and walks out the door and flies away. 12:42.177 --> 12:43.217 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, there's one more time. 12:44.018 --> 12:44.658 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right? 12:44.818 --> 12:45.519 [SPEAKER_04]: It's afraid. 12:47.079 --> 12:48.940 [SPEAKER_04]: It's absolutely fucking terrible. 13:04.640 --> 13:08.321 [SPEAKER_03]: So, no specular, I'm just asking questions here. 13:08.341 --> 13:10.981 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just pointing out what I see in here on screen. 13:11.061 --> 13:12.201 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying anything. 13:12.241 --> 13:16.002 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not imputing anybody's character or motives or anything like that. 13:16.422 --> 13:18.183 [SPEAKER_03]: Not predicting what's gonna happen. 13:19.263 --> 13:22.243 [SPEAKER_03]: But that sure does sound like Guy Gardner's flying. 13:23.243 --> 13:25.204 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't disagree with you on that. 13:26.964 --> 13:31.205 [SPEAKER_01]: And we will have to see if it was actually die, or if it went out. 13:34.488 --> 13:42.218 [SPEAKER_03]: Is Maggie involved at all is Maggie covering for somebody else did how leave after they had their confrontation. 13:44.861 --> 13:48.045 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, how far does it how far does it go with Maggie. 13:50.830 --> 13:51.371 [SPEAKER_01]: just asking. 13:51.391 --> 13:51.891 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not good. 13:51.931 --> 13:53.113 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not good questions. 13:53.253 --> 13:54.194 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not good questions. 13:55.856 --> 14:06.268 [SPEAKER_03]: Nobody was on the discord saying anything about my rush theory, so now that we've got full, maybe I'll post this in the thing too, and people can listen, tell me what they think. 14:07.190 --> 14:09.012 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think, you know, I think 14:10.672 --> 14:11.373 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 14:11.553 --> 14:12.934 [SPEAKER_03]: It's something fishy. 14:13.134 --> 14:13.574 [SPEAKER_03]: Some fishy. 14:13.954 --> 14:14.195 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 14:14.215 --> 14:14.415 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 14:14.435 --> 14:15.315 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on to the next one. 14:15.656 --> 14:16.116 [SPEAKER_03]: Gio. 14:16.436 --> 14:18.037 [SPEAKER_03]: A brand new lorehouse subscriber. 14:19.318 --> 14:19.699 [SPEAKER_03]: No. 14:19.719 --> 14:21.140 [SPEAKER_03]: A new friend of the pod. 14:22.441 --> 14:31.608 [SPEAKER_03]: Gio is actually the person who rode in to say, hey, you know, with you guys front loading a bunch of that lore and comic stuff, it's like it, it kind of throws it off a little bit. 14:32.288 --> 14:35.190 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I wrote Gio back and then Gio subscribed. 14:35.310 --> 14:36.791 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even ask him to subscribe, but I just did it. 14:36.851 --> 14:38.773 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, thank you for, you know. 14:40.897 --> 14:48.221 [SPEAKER_03]: come and decide to hang out with us and do you just send a couple of messages on Patreon? 14:48.261 --> 14:50.522 [SPEAKER_03]: John, do you want to read the first one of two? 14:50.542 --> 15:00.127 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, so there's some comments for lanterns, David, halfway listening to this week's podcast, but wanted to comment about something from the previous week. 15:00.507 --> 15:04.890 [SPEAKER_01]: It was about Zoe and John sleeping together and how it was strange and took me out of it. 15:05.370 --> 15:07.170 [SPEAKER_01]: You and John did not understand why. 15:07.591 --> 15:09.631 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not because he went for it and slept with her. 15:09.651 --> 15:18.093 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, it took me out of it because John is supposed to be unhye alert as that could be people coming to kill him and he decides to go for a romp in the hate. 15:18.633 --> 15:19.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Really unbelievable to me. 15:20.334 --> 15:27.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Just wanted to explain why some people like me may have been out of time by the timing of the hook-up scene. 15:28.135 --> 15:28.436 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks. 15:29.336 --> 15:29.776 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think? 15:30.565 --> 15:32.406 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think somebody else comment there. 15:32.426 --> 15:33.707 [SPEAKER_03]: I got I saw a couple of other comments. 15:33.727 --> 15:38.931 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there was something on the discord as well, and I wanted to to back up and clarify. 15:39.191 --> 15:48.998 [SPEAKER_03]: I also agree that John going for role in the hey was Zoe was weird. 15:50.632 --> 16:10.268 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not what I was saying, that's, I don't think I was clear in my previous comment about John's character being somebody who wants to hook up with people or hook up with Zoe, even the first time that they hooked up at the bar, like she's like, hey, meet me out back and he was like, cool, I'm there. 16:11.929 --> 16:18.874 [SPEAKER_03]: And I heard some other commentary elsewhere on the internet that people thought that that was weird like why who's this guy? 16:18.914 --> 16:19.615 [SPEAKER_03]: What is this character? 16:19.635 --> 16:20.796 [SPEAKER_03]: We were still getting to know John. 16:21.136 --> 16:29.262 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was commenting about my comments about those critiques not about this particular scene now. 16:29.382 --> 16:35.987 [SPEAKER_03]: I do get that the like why did Yeah, he spoke he was on high alert like he was aiming the gun. 16:36.648 --> 16:39.129 [SPEAKER_03]: She shows up and then they sleep together. 16:39.149 --> 16:39.169 [SPEAKER_03]: I 16:41.420 --> 16:45.863 [SPEAKER_03]: when she showed up, he realized, this is the only person that's coming. 16:46.404 --> 16:49.706 [SPEAKER_03]: There are no other hitmen coming to assassinate me. 16:50.227 --> 16:53.009 [SPEAKER_03]: This is the manhunter, I'm, you know, or Zoe's here. 16:53.349 --> 17:00.034 [SPEAKER_03]: Zoe doesn't come here, even if he didn't, at that point, fully determined that she was the manhunter. 17:00.904 --> 17:16.608 [SPEAKER_03]: that she was there guaranteed his safety for as long as she was there because why would makeens dudes roll up and smoke to place knowing when the boss is why is there is there 17:18.135 --> 17:20.917 [SPEAKER_03]: She would have been, could she have been privy to plans? 17:21.417 --> 17:24.679 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh yeah, we're gonna send 50 dudes over and she's on the next room hearing it. 17:24.919 --> 17:29.062 [SPEAKER_03]: She's gonna go, I'm gonna go over and get a quickie, which, you know, before they get there. 17:29.262 --> 17:29.522 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 17:30.183 --> 17:31.203 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. 17:31.303 --> 17:33.365 [SPEAKER_03]: So like that, she's showing up. 17:34.185 --> 17:38.748 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we have to do a little bit of work and go, huh, why did she think it was okay to show up? 17:39.869 --> 17:43.591 [SPEAKER_03]: Because she's the one who's in can ultimately in control of everything. 17:44.414 --> 17:55.876 [SPEAKER_03]: And then John, whether he acknowledged at that point that she was the person in control or not, he's just assuming that, hey, while she's here, I'm basically safe. 17:56.557 --> 17:57.397 [SPEAKER_03]: He let his guard down. 17:58.757 --> 18:01.658 [SPEAKER_03]: He did let his guard down, but he did let his guard down for a reason. 18:02.298 --> 18:03.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 18:03.118 --> 18:04.918 [SPEAKER_01]: He let his guard down. 18:05.358 --> 18:07.059 [SPEAKER_03]: Because because it was out. 18:07.099 --> 18:08.159 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it was Zoe, right? 18:08.379 --> 18:08.619 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 18:09.459 --> 18:12.140 [SPEAKER_03]: Because make-ins, goons are not going to... 18:13.915 --> 18:22.300 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can see that as a, and it's totally, you don't plausible, and I don't think in correct to see that as a lapse in judgment. 18:23.721 --> 18:26.083 [SPEAKER_03]: See being with her the first time was a lapse in judgment. 18:26.123 --> 18:31.186 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so I, and the criticism that I was hearing from other people was like, well, I don't understand this character. 18:31.246 --> 18:38.851 [SPEAKER_03]: If he's so great in all of these other things, then why does he have this, he doesn't drink, he's not smoking, he's not swearing, you know, whatever, whatever. 18:38.911 --> 18:39.712 [SPEAKER_03]: I got to go somewhere. 18:41.351 --> 18:49.038 [SPEAKER_03]: And what I was saying is, but it is fine because, you know, people are people and for some people hooking up is what you do. 18:49.638 --> 18:49.879 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 18:50.259 --> 18:56.304 [SPEAKER_03]: I have plenty of friends who will just at the drop of ad, hook up and like, how does that work? 18:56.344 --> 18:58.706 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand how that works, but that's how they roll. 18:58.726 --> 18:59.467 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 18:59.487 --> 19:01.909 [SPEAKER_03]: And I could believe John's that kind of guy. 19:03.330 --> 19:05.833 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's inexperienced in those ways. 19:06.637 --> 19:14.261 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think it was a lapse in judgment, um, but yeah, um, it didn't bother me. 19:16.422 --> 19:21.225 [SPEAKER_03]: So um, do you want to carry on with uh, just number two? 19:21.785 --> 19:28.389 [SPEAKER_01]: So thoughts on last night's episode, which is episode six, um, I wonder if they the time or rush will realize. 19:28.429 --> 19:29.790 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, this is actually a five. 19:31.622 --> 19:57.352 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... this is a little bit behind uh... okay i'm sorry i'm sorry i didn't flag it that way no worries on thoughts on last night's episode i wonder if they the time or rush for real lies what the man hunter actually is i believe some education might help correct me if i'm wrong but a man hunter is like a cancer if you let us stick around it'll grow and grow and get more people under the influence and eventually commit mass genocide 19:57.652 --> 19:58.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Am I right? 19:58.613 --> 20:04.655 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel that if the town of Resville were educated, perhaps they wouldn't hate how in John as much. 20:07.497 --> 20:17.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't believe that the town knows exactly what Zoe is, making certainly does. 20:18.482 --> 20:19.803 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, perhaps 20:20.930 --> 20:28.616 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, will and carry no, no, possibly. 20:28.996 --> 20:34.240 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think the town at all knows exactly what Zoe is. 20:35.300 --> 20:37.342 [SPEAKER_01]: Is a man how to like a cancer? 20:37.802 --> 20:39.703 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say that. 20:40.644 --> 20:41.485 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say that. 20:42.910 --> 20:46.093 [SPEAKER_03]: the way that the idea of a spreading influence. 20:46.193 --> 20:58.642 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it's slowly, that's what the manhood that does is to at the end of the day, take away free will, right? 20:58.682 --> 21:06.048 [SPEAKER_01]: Because now you're all in service of what the manhood is telling you to do, and you don't question, you just do. 21:11.700 --> 21:14.382 [SPEAKER_01]: they stamp out what they feel is evil. 21:15.143 --> 21:22.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's not about they were created to the fear of justice, right? 21:22.609 --> 21:29.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Stamp is actually stamp out evil and as police... What's your favorite? 21:30.196 --> 21:30.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 21:30.756 --> 21:31.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask you? 21:31.377 --> 21:31.777 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead. 21:32.598 --> 21:33.439 [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead. 21:34.540 --> 21:35.300 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, finish your thought. 21:35.340 --> 21:38.723 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'll finish your thought and then I'll follow up. 21:40.192 --> 21:46.374 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not seeking justice as was the original intent. 21:46.414 --> 21:48.414 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a corruption in their coding. 21:49.015 --> 21:56.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Then now they just review as if you free will as the evil that needs to be eradicated. 22:00.242 --> 22:05.743 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're not seeking justice like a green lantern and a seeking justice. 22:05.763 --> 22:12.145 [SPEAKER_01]: You did a crime, we're gonna get you, we're gonna lock you up for the things that you've done. 22:12.185 --> 22:19.907 [SPEAKER_01]: Man hunters now are very much not that evil is free will. 22:21.707 --> 22:24.188 [SPEAKER_01]: So the infiltration is what 22:25.079 --> 22:33.004 [SPEAKER_01]: they do, in order to take away your free will, a population's free will, which is what you see in Russia. 22:35.906 --> 22:40.409 [SPEAKER_01]: No nothing really happens without the Zoe, saying yes. 22:41.149 --> 22:49.595 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, which is a point of why John felt safe, because did he, at that point, realize that, 22:50.530 --> 22:55.232 [SPEAKER_03]: Zoey was the man hunter and nothing was going to happen to him as long as Zoey was there. 22:57.254 --> 23:03.657 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he had suspicions and he sort of confirmed it up at, you know, when they were having their conversation after. 23:03.977 --> 23:06.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's when he really knew, but yeah. 23:08.092 --> 23:17.769 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, they are, they do infiltrate spread, but what they're spreading is control, 23:22.268 --> 23:45.535 [SPEAKER_03]: So the question I was going to ask was were they're different kinds of man-tunders in as much as this one over here is all about combat and this one's about politics and then they all have the same code they were created with the same code and the same corruption within that code okay and then they might 23:52.013 --> 24:20.372 [SPEAKER_03]: I, no, I can't recall if there's an individual man hunter that, yeah, I'm trying to think of a story that that would have been interesting that that Zoey, A is not destroyed by order 66, whatever, however, that worked for them and B, that Zoey is in a self protective 24:21.891 --> 24:23.332 [SPEAKER_03]: and not out hunting for you. 24:23.352 --> 24:35.399 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, because if you want to do some damage to the evil of free will, well, we can have some conversations about, you know, earth and what's going on with with humans, but do you do that? 24:36.059 --> 24:38.761 [SPEAKER_03]: So he is creating a bubble around themselves. 24:40.298 --> 25:03.669 [SPEAKER_03]: to ultimately protect Zoey's life, using the same techniques that the man has used of infiltration, or that particular technique of infiltration and power and luring people in, but was it to how long had that been 30 years since I've been sore? 25:04.830 --> 25:09.092 [SPEAKER_03]: So 30 years and the span of control is only rushville. 25:09.776 --> 25:13.939 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what's three is who are undying robot. 25:14.119 --> 25:14.859 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, right. 25:14.899 --> 25:15.160 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 25:16.280 --> 25:16.881 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the view? 25:16.901 --> 25:17.821 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the plan. 25:18.242 --> 25:18.742 [SPEAKER_03]: Here you go. 25:18.942 --> 25:19.803 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's some space. 25:19.823 --> 25:22.484 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's some wild ass to foil ass speculation. 25:22.504 --> 25:23.905 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me get my two. 25:24.606 --> 25:25.667 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 25:26.987 --> 25:30.110 [SPEAKER_03]: Noah as a offspring of the man hunter. 25:31.085 --> 25:46.794 [SPEAKER_03]: is being groomed as a mentoring candidate, you know, all American football kid to become president and then ultimately take the system down at that level in the long game, rather than a short game of something else. 25:48.054 --> 25:52.537 [SPEAKER_03]: Usually you're smiling, this is the, you don't get to see the smile like you're on the job space. 25:54.724 --> 25:58.350 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a theory, and all I got is new things. 25:58.570 --> 26:01.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Again I'm saying, I don't got theories, man. 26:01.775 --> 26:02.796 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm using, that's it. 26:05.192 --> 26:07.573 [SPEAKER_01]: very interesting, very interesting news or news or news or news or news or news. 26:07.593 --> 26:34.722 [SPEAKER_03]: What's the news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news or news 26:35.592 --> 26:35.872 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 26:36.633 --> 26:38.535 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure where the question. 26:38.555 --> 26:39.696 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a question in there. 26:39.716 --> 26:44.261 [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, okay, well, is a man hundred blood or human blood or like, how does it, how does that work? 26:45.302 --> 26:56.635 [SPEAKER_03]: But is it, can you clarify anything about when man hunters, because big rockets didn't come out of her back and death raised, didn't come shooting out from her eyes? 26:58.083 --> 27:05.552 [SPEAKER_03]: And when he cut her open, her heart was a human heart until it crystallized, you know, after it was, no. 27:06.212 --> 27:13.941 [SPEAKER_03]: So she had transformed into a human being for all intents of purposes. 27:14.662 --> 27:17.005 [SPEAKER_03]: No, yes, yes, yes. 27:18.828 --> 27:21.410 [SPEAKER_03]: But he's really stuck as a human being now. 27:21.930 --> 27:22.170 [SPEAKER_03]: No. 27:23.111 --> 27:27.554 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it a transformer and can just get a ball ball ball ball and change into whatever it wants to? 27:28.955 --> 27:30.756 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you like that sound like a ball ball ball ball. 27:30.776 --> 27:35.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the process is a little bit different from, you know, Autobots and Decepticons. 27:37.101 --> 27:38.341 [SPEAKER_03]: Autobots roll out. 27:39.122 --> 27:43.865 [SPEAKER_01]: But presumably yes, and the DCU universe, 27:48.627 --> 28:00.714 [SPEAKER_01]: But that remains to be seen if we, if and when we get other man hunters on screen, what form do they take? 28:02.269 --> 28:04.710 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a thought, here's just a random speculation thought. 28:04.790 --> 28:08.491 [SPEAKER_03]: No, this isn't speculation, this is thinking about something. 28:09.311 --> 28:18.194 [SPEAKER_03]: When Hal went to see Sinestro, Sinestro said, that's your second, if the man hunter, if there's a man hunter alive, that's your second problem. 28:18.654 --> 28:20.015 [SPEAKER_03]: Now tell me about John Stewart. 28:21.695 --> 28:25.597 [SPEAKER_03]: I think the number one problem was not John Stewart. 28:25.697 --> 28:29.820 [SPEAKER_03]: The number one problem is the person who's about to spring me from jail. 28:30.000 --> 28:33.241 [SPEAKER_03]: That's your number one problem and you don't see it. 28:34.362 --> 28:36.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Really interesting. 28:37.684 --> 28:38.424 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting, right? 28:38.504 --> 28:39.465 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that way. 28:39.505 --> 28:40.325 [SPEAKER_03]: What's the biggest thing? 28:40.365 --> 28:41.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, wait. 28:41.766 --> 28:43.647 [SPEAKER_03]: That's too, that's too, that's not bad. 28:43.687 --> 28:45.628 [SPEAKER_03]: Pizza and salad, man. 28:45.708 --> 28:46.609 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay. 28:46.649 --> 28:47.149 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm cooking. 28:47.770 --> 28:48.170 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 28:49.815 --> 28:52.416 [SPEAKER_03]: But like we all were like, oh, what's the number one problem? 28:52.436 --> 28:53.596 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not John Stuart. 28:54.216 --> 28:58.918 [SPEAKER_03]: Like John Stuart is not that big of a threat to Howard Jordan in a way, or was it? 28:59.018 --> 29:02.539 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was because the number one threat is actually the guardians are gonna replace you. 29:03.019 --> 29:06.800 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not about John Stuart for say, maybe it maybe, okay, maybe that's a little bit more. 29:07.320 --> 29:08.101 [SPEAKER_03]: Take a breath, David. 29:08.761 --> 29:10.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:10.861 --> 29:11.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 29:12.022 --> 29:14.803 [SPEAKER_01]: What if he was the guardian of the number one problem? 29:21.678 --> 29:25.659 [SPEAKER_03]: And then if he can stoke his fear, then that's a big problem. 29:27.240 --> 29:35.503 [SPEAKER_03]: If you can get, if you can get how twitching and jumpy, that's his number one problem, better. 29:37.044 --> 29:37.304 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 29:37.424 --> 29:38.864 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's cutting in multiple directions. 29:39.705 --> 29:40.365 [SPEAKER_03]: Could be yes. 29:41.360 --> 29:46.044 [SPEAKER_03]: I still think that King Crimson's point here about the blood curing everything. 29:46.084 --> 29:47.465 [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's an interesting thing. 29:47.525 --> 29:51.208 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, Sheriff Carey was like, crops grow, people are happy. 29:51.228 --> 29:59.415 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was, I was looking for it in episode six, signs of decay or things not being right in rushville. 29:59.795 --> 30:04.078 [SPEAKER_03]: There were some broken down buildings here and there and things didn't seem to be great. 30:04.239 --> 30:05.480 [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't as thriving, but they didn't, 30:06.080 --> 30:11.805 [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't really give us a lot of that of the, oh, now there is decay here because the director is gone. 30:11.865 --> 30:22.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Aside from it being winter, you know, so with have to see, has time passes, does Rushville, you know, balloon? 30:22.134 --> 30:24.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Has it, didn't win? 30:24.957 --> 30:30.822 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and Carrie says, you know, some people just, some people packed up and then others of us that stayed are just trying to get on with it. 30:33.124 --> 30:42.171 [SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, Cincinnati, Joe, Laura Hound and friend of the pod wrote an email when John arrives back to town after Kerry's call. 30:42.852 --> 30:48.636 [SPEAKER_03]: They greet each other much more warmly than I suspected, given how things went in 2016. 30:48.696 --> 30:51.378 [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't spend much time together and then he killed Zoe. 30:52.399 --> 30:58.664 [SPEAKER_03]: And she said, Noah would be happy to see him, which is also surprising, since John killed her grandmother. 31:00.407 --> 31:04.508 [SPEAKER_03]: do we think that they spent time together right after the incident or something? 31:05.489 --> 31:17.373 [SPEAKER_03]: John didn't know how had been living in Rushville or seemingly anything about the town's lack of reconstruction, so it didn't seem like they had any recent interactions. 31:17.893 --> 31:22.995 [SPEAKER_03]: Did I miss something or was this just unexplained intentionally or accidentally? 31:23.955 --> 31:25.936 [SPEAKER_03]: To clarify the following in 31:30.317 --> 31:33.360 [SPEAKER_03]: odds with John, active odds, I guess. 31:33.400 --> 31:35.101 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're actively being odd with John. 31:35.121 --> 31:44.348 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess that's the way to say that, but also John appears to not be surprised by them being affectionate towards him and he reciprocates. 31:44.428 --> 31:48.111 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what makes it odd to me like we missed something. 31:49.452 --> 31:51.353 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we missed anything. 31:51.854 --> 31:53.635 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we missed. 31:54.215 --> 31:58.098 [SPEAKER_01]: My spider senses are tingling because of what Cincinnati 31:59.702 --> 32:01.383 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly what Jinsson said and I just sing. 32:01.483 --> 32:01.683 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:02.404 --> 32:02.744 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it. 32:03.724 --> 32:06.186 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, it's weird. 32:07.487 --> 32:08.027 [SPEAKER_01]: Behavior. 32:09.128 --> 32:12.190 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think John reciprocates because John is. 32:13.570 --> 32:14.251 [SPEAKER_01]: It's planning. 32:16.452 --> 32:16.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 32:16.952 --> 32:19.894 [SPEAKER_01]: He's already 10 steps ahead of them. 32:20.695 --> 32:21.315 [SPEAKER_01]: I would hope so. 32:22.055 --> 32:23.056 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't trust him. 32:23.676 --> 32:24.857 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't trust him. 32:24.937 --> 32:26.298 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping John doesn't trust him. 32:27.472 --> 32:28.773 [SPEAKER_03]: See, I was all snuckered. 32:28.853 --> 32:30.814 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, they're buds. 32:30.874 --> 32:32.935 [SPEAKER_03]: And they, they trauma bond together. 32:32.995 --> 32:36.816 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're seeing each other and you like, they got me. 32:36.896 --> 32:43.679 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, carry me, if that's, if this is the case, and I'm like starting to get pulled in this direction, carry me Donald sold it to me. 32:43.699 --> 32:43.799 [SPEAKER_03]: So. 32:45.734 --> 32:46.676 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's all good. 32:47.077 --> 32:47.277 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 32:47.638 --> 32:48.159 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, let's do this. 32:48.179 --> 32:49.701 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a quick break and then we come back. 32:49.781 --> 32:57.215 [SPEAKER_03]: We have a little bit of an audio clip from Benamina along with Benamina's theory and speculation. 33:07.690 --> 33:08.631 [SPEAKER_03]: And we're back. 33:08.671 --> 33:11.973 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got banana, a friend of the pod sent in an email. 33:11.993 --> 33:14.875 [SPEAKER_03]: But Amona has been a great supporter on some other shows. 33:14.895 --> 33:20.479 [SPEAKER_03]: We had a lot of fun with banana on Pluribus and man, I really miss that show. 33:20.519 --> 33:22.241 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait for it to get back. 33:23.434 --> 33:28.217 [SPEAKER_03]: But Domino's jumped in and, well, first we got to play this little clip really quick. 33:28.837 --> 33:34.560 [SPEAKER_05]: After episode five, I was just like, Jean, I said, I should stop speculating, I'm just going to watch this kill. 33:35.100 --> 33:36.461 [SPEAKER_05]: I like, I let it play out. 33:37.341 --> 33:44.005 [SPEAKER_05]: But then, just like, Jean, I had some more speculation, once an idea popped in my head, I better share it. 33:45.183 --> 33:47.403 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, you want to read, but I'm going to email here. 33:47.964 --> 33:49.384 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Laura Hounds, David. 33:50.024 --> 33:52.804 [SPEAKER_01]: You asked what is content in an email, so here is my theory. 33:53.345 --> 33:54.945 [SPEAKER_01]: We all know Lyanna is sus. 33:55.845 --> 33:57.845 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make an internet wager. 33:58.465 --> 34:02.786 [SPEAKER_01]: When Lyanna says, even we make mistakes, all we can do is correct them. 34:03.286 --> 34:11.748 [SPEAKER_01]: She means I. I think the guardians are holding her personally accountable because it's specifically her fault about the manlenters. 34:12.488 --> 34:20.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Lyana may be the guardian who originally programmed a man hunters, so she is taking extreme actions to clean up her personal mistake. 34:20.712 --> 34:25.375 [SPEAKER_01]: She may also have tried some different programming with Zoe and Hunter. 34:26.218 --> 34:28.880 [SPEAKER_01]: and is trying to cover that mistake too. 34:29.700 --> 34:45.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps she even groaned John through his parents to be the perfect man hunter hunter, a fearless man who follows her orders, the timing of his recruitment suggests that the main mission, this was the main mission Liana needed him for him. 34:46.390 --> 34:46.810 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think? 34:49.915 --> 34:51.096 [SPEAKER_03]: pretty good speculation. 34:51.116 --> 34:53.918 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to read the addendum too? 34:53.998 --> 34:56.020 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, carries you the thought, and then. 34:56.700 --> 35:09.831 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, if I lean all the way into my theory, then Leanna may even have been the individual and shapeshifted disguise who appeared as the military man to send John on his sniper mission. 35:10.511 --> 35:17.256 [SPEAKER_01]: He showed a similar lack of understanding about John's dietary preferences as Leanna's misunderstanding of money or race 35:20.178 --> 35:25.082 [SPEAKER_01]: This may also explain the military incongrued to its ease of the mission. 35:25.983 --> 35:33.409 [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps she orchestrated the entire operation to set HAL up as an antagonist to John, to system with his ring take over. 35:34.270 --> 35:36.412 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for the excellent coverage on your pod. 35:38.396 --> 35:52.628 [SPEAKER_03]: So, Leanna Suss, yes, the Guardians seem to have been involved because they decommissioned the ring, you know, quote unquote, decommissioned the ring, they gardeners on the job. 35:52.668 --> 35:57.072 [SPEAKER_03]: He's been to, oh, uh, he's invested, you know, he's interacted with things. 35:58.761 --> 36:05.863 [SPEAKER_03]: So how Suss is Leona, like we, I mean, there were some speculation that Leona was even further off. 36:05.903 --> 36:12.866 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's even more speculation later we'll get into, I didn't say this before, but we got a big chunk of content from Conner. 36:12.886 --> 36:14.606 [SPEAKER_03]: And we put that stuff at the end. 36:14.626 --> 36:16.127 [SPEAKER_03]: So all that, I should have said this at the top. 36:17.267 --> 36:19.548 [SPEAKER_03]: But the comic book corner is at the end. 36:21.788 --> 36:26.410 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Conner's got some tin foil hat theories about Leona as well. 36:28.622 --> 36:44.418 [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, yes, I don't disagree, but I'm not all in either, and I just don't know what to make because I think Connor later on makes some some good points. 36:45.018 --> 36:45.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 36:45.879 --> 36:46.039 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 36:46.219 --> 36:49.903 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's still, I think Leanna is a Guardian. 36:51.613 --> 36:57.514 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Leon, if you know, no, wait, because now I'm cooked. 36:57.774 --> 36:58.555 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm cooked on this one. 36:58.575 --> 36:59.715 [SPEAKER_03]: I have nothing to add. 36:59.735 --> 37:02.316 [SPEAKER_03]: I have no insights but no, I like this theory. 37:02.396 --> 37:03.336 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's really cool. 37:03.896 --> 37:04.616 [SPEAKER_03]: It makes sense. 37:05.056 --> 37:17.699 [SPEAKER_03]: But our guardians that into the weeds on things is our guardians that susceptible to that kind of like, oh, I screwed up and I got to fix this behind everybody's back or what have you, so the answer is yes. 37:18.339 --> 37:18.559 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 37:22.945 --> 37:29.831 [SPEAKER_01]: My musings are that I really think that, yes, Vienna is definitely such. 37:30.632 --> 37:36.237 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Vienna will prove to be a guardian at the end. 37:37.578 --> 37:45.365 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think that the line will trace back to Vienna. 37:46.572 --> 37:46.732 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 37:46.812 --> 37:53.376 [SPEAKER_01]: I think with I'm gonna find out a lot more about her role in everything by the end of the season. 37:53.816 --> 37:55.097 [SPEAKER_01]: Did she blast out Sinestro? 37:56.518 --> 37:57.638 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was Leon. 37:57.658 --> 37:58.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 37:59.980 --> 38:00.420 [SPEAKER_01]: It was how? 38:04.502 --> 38:05.143 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow. 38:05.163 --> 38:05.503 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 38:05.583 --> 38:11.866 [SPEAKER_03]: So like that moment of silence is like my actually like my brain seizing up. 38:11.887 --> 38:14.248 [SPEAKER_03]: That was like the cylinders in my engine going. 38:15.807 --> 38:16.647 [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, wait, what? 38:17.188 --> 38:19.349 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's not speculation. 38:19.949 --> 38:23.190 [SPEAKER_03]: Because he was in jail, like they made a point, scarred near me. 38:23.210 --> 38:23.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 38:24.991 --> 38:27.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Just saying, I'm just pointing things out. 38:28.853 --> 38:29.693 [SPEAKER_03]: What's your evidence? 38:31.094 --> 38:31.614 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done it. 38:31.634 --> 38:32.074 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done it. 38:32.254 --> 38:33.055 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done it. 38:33.215 --> 38:33.915 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done it. 38:33.935 --> 38:34.455 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done it. 38:34.475 --> 38:35.216 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done it. 38:35.436 --> 38:37.677 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done it. 38:38.957 --> 38:39.377 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it. 38:39.537 --> 38:42.399 [SPEAKER_03]: OK. All right, but I'm going to thank you for that. 38:42.519 --> 38:45.120 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a little speculation corner there. 38:46.307 --> 38:53.812 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on to Jimmy D. I think Jimmy D is this is Jimmy's first email that they wrote in hi, Jean, and David. 38:53.832 --> 38:55.232 [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for the great coverage of lanterns. 38:55.252 --> 38:55.973 [SPEAKER_03]: It's been a ride. 38:55.993 --> 38:57.294 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't wait to see where it goes. 38:57.334 --> 38:59.935 [SPEAKER_03]: A few comments and questions about this episode. 39:00.796 --> 39:05.438 [SPEAKER_03]: Number one, why does Bernadette want how and John to forgive each other? 39:06.039 --> 39:08.600 [SPEAKER_03]: And why did she become friends with how? 39:09.241 --> 39:12.243 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she lied about how wanting to apologize. 39:13.123 --> 39:16.045 [SPEAKER_03]: But she did know that he goes to the diner every night. 39:16.105 --> 39:17.827 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think their friendship is real. 39:17.927 --> 39:24.072 [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know what led to them reaching out and becoming friends. 39:24.352 --> 39:24.952 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 39:25.813 --> 39:33.980 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, just, and why, where does it, why does Bernadette want Hal and John to forgive each other? 39:34.040 --> 39:35.361 [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of tripped up on that. 39:35.381 --> 39:35.481 [SPEAKER_03]: But 39:37.110 --> 39:52.537 [SPEAKER_03]: if how offers an apology and John accept it, then by definition, there is forgiveness in the relationship? 39:52.757 --> 40:04.122 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if I answered that question, it's to serve her own and John can forgive how he can move on if a giver. 40:06.474 --> 40:07.076 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, there you go. 40:07.236 --> 40:07.457 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 40:07.958 --> 40:08.139 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 40:10.158 --> 40:10.418 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. 40:10.538 --> 40:12.299 [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe, right. 40:12.440 --> 40:13.720 [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe, yeah. 40:13.861 --> 40:14.121 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 40:14.241 --> 40:14.441 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 40:14.481 --> 40:15.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Then that makes sense. 40:15.562 --> 40:19.044 [SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe put this whole entire thing behind him. 40:19.544 --> 40:22.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Because their family's wall broken is F. Yes. 40:22.726 --> 40:22.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 40:23.507 --> 40:24.508 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 40:24.568 --> 40:26.929 [SPEAKER_03]: The brothers are all pissed at each other. 40:27.450 --> 40:30.672 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, two of them are pissed at one and one's trying to manage it all. 40:30.772 --> 40:32.593 [SPEAKER_03]: And bank rule the family at the same time. 40:32.653 --> 40:36.936 [SPEAKER_03]: He's probably paying for the cozy comfort home as well for his dad. 40:37.316 --> 40:37.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 40:38.117 --> 40:39.538 [SPEAKER_03]: Mom and dad are separated. 40:40.506 --> 40:43.688 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, and here's part two of Jimmy's email. 40:43.728 --> 40:47.171 [SPEAKER_03]: We find out that John Cena was placed in a home stroke facility. 40:48.091 --> 40:53.675 [SPEAKER_03]: When John Cena lost the opportunity to become the lantern, and he went straight to drinking and shooting TV. 40:53.755 --> 41:01.761 [SPEAKER_03]: He said, yeah, I think what helped him heal was placing all of his purpose into John Cena becoming lantern. 41:01.921 --> 41:02.421 [SPEAKER_03]: A lantern. 41:03.342 --> 41:08.245 [SPEAKER_03]: I think finding out that his son walked away from the ring, broken. 41:08.886 --> 41:09.426 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. 41:11.242 --> 41:15.003 [SPEAKER_03]: and sort of led to the demise of the whole family, right? 41:15.063 --> 41:15.263 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 41:15.983 --> 41:16.223 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 41:17.683 --> 41:36.686 [SPEAKER_03]: Building, building, building to this pinnacle career, to take the ring, to be the champion, to wear the belts, to lift up that trophy, all that work, all that sacrifice, all that pain, that all that damage that they did to each other, and then for no one's like, 41:41.098 --> 41:46.720 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's going to mess you up if you, if you were the person that was driving that whole industry. 41:48.641 --> 41:55.244 [SPEAKER_03]: Shooting a gun and shooting kids head like that is just like making all that applesauce. 41:57.105 --> 41:57.905 [SPEAKER_03]: That's got to mess you up. 42:00.727 --> 42:01.107 [SPEAKER_03]: Badly. 42:02.153 --> 42:08.043 [SPEAKER_03]: if you are a thinking, you know, if you are a person with any kind of empathy, that would just that would have to mess you up. 42:09.065 --> 42:16.196 [SPEAKER_03]: Because one, like we're talking, a fraction of a millimeter. 42:17.813 --> 42:22.836 [SPEAKER_03]: of a missed aim and how many times have you done that 20, 30 times, whatever? 42:23.557 --> 42:24.317 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably more. 42:24.998 --> 42:27.099 [SPEAKER_03]: You could be off very easily. 42:27.139 --> 42:29.361 [SPEAKER_03]: You could have had a little too much salt on your french fries. 42:29.381 --> 42:30.621 [SPEAKER_03]: Your blood pressure could have been up. 42:30.642 --> 42:33.003 [SPEAKER_03]: You could have been, you know, your hands could be shaking a little bit more. 42:33.023 --> 42:36.926 [SPEAKER_03]: You could have, you could be taking aim and then the phone rings and you get distracted. 42:37.006 --> 42:38.547 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I mean, there's a million things. 42:39.694 --> 43:06.105 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyone who's ever done any training with weapons and especially under stressful situations knows how easily your aim can be thrown off because at 100 yards or 25 yards whatever, the deviation is on your end is minute and that bullet is moving feet off its target by the time it gets down range at whatever target you're aiming at. 43:09.620 --> 43:13.304 [SPEAKER_03]: So like the nerves that he had to have every time that that he did that. 43:15.706 --> 43:26.657 [SPEAKER_03]: Number three, it was funny that how wrote his own eulogy, but it's also a reminder that he recognized that he didn't doesn't have any loved ones that would give a eulogy at his funeral. 43:27.338 --> 43:29.120 [SPEAKER_03]: Quote, it's a lonely fucking job. 43:33.386 --> 43:41.330 [SPEAKER_03]: And something that the D&D guys pointed out, which I thought was, I think it was Javon pointed out that there were no other lanterns at the funeral. 43:41.611 --> 43:45.293 [SPEAKER_03]: And how was friend had a lot of friends in the core. 43:47.954 --> 43:54.798 [SPEAKER_03]: Did everybody, no, no, I mean, not many people would have, how would they have known because he wasn't a, he wasn't carrying an active ring anymore. 43:56.165 --> 43:57.946 [SPEAKER_03]: He'd been in jail for 10 years. 43:58.947 --> 44:06.811 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, how would the news you have gotten to the green lanterns that Hal got shot that night and then a day or two later, he's getting buried? 44:07.691 --> 44:10.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, God, because I don't think, you know, guy is telling anyone. 44:12.514 --> 44:12.734 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 44:13.614 --> 44:14.535 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's a good point. 44:14.555 --> 44:16.136 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he did fly to O at a get the ring. 44:16.176 --> 44:17.577 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but I don't think he's trying to be ill. 44:18.537 --> 44:19.758 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he's a squirrel. 44:19.778 --> 44:23.560 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's just like, hey, you know, how died? 44:25.342 --> 44:28.123 [SPEAKER_01]: That would, that would upstage Gardner wouldn't it. 44:28.684 --> 44:29.404 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, what? 44:29.444 --> 44:31.085 [SPEAKER_03]: Gardner. 44:31.285 --> 44:34.627 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody would come for Hal and Gardner would be like, I'm good. 44:34.647 --> 44:35.427 [SPEAKER_03]: Gardner. 44:35.447 --> 44:36.748 [SPEAKER_03]: So guys, not telling anyone. 44:37.088 --> 44:38.049 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way that happens to them. 44:38.909 --> 44:39.149 [SPEAKER_03]: OK. 44:40.110 --> 44:47.954 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's still sad that Hal had been friends to all of these other green lanterns and none of them were there. 44:50.596 --> 44:56.238 [SPEAKER_03]: Last point from Jimmy D. There's a recurring focus on time in the show. 44:57.399 --> 45:09.184 [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, there are all the time jumps, but also the focus of watches and how trauma stays with you as the years go by. 45:17.648 --> 45:20.330 [SPEAKER_03]: who learns that his present self is dead. 45:21.011 --> 45:26.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I still don't know what to make with the hell of that. 45:27.797 --> 45:28.758 [SPEAKER_03]: The hell of a great time. 45:28.958 --> 45:29.999 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, that's a time. 45:30.899 --> 45:31.340 [SPEAKER_01]: The time. 45:32.421 --> 45:42.870 [SPEAKER_03]: You know how it's not to me, it's not a theme of the show, but I think the writers are using the constructive time. 45:45.062 --> 45:45.582 [SPEAKER_03]: smartly. 45:45.662 --> 45:57.165 [SPEAKER_03]: Like they understand the scaffolding, they understand the scaffolding of writing a story that moves through time and they understand how to use time as a device in the show. 45:58.465 --> 45:59.066 [SPEAKER_03]: Does that make sense? 46:00.086 --> 46:00.986 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that makes sense. 46:01.486 --> 46:02.006 [SPEAKER_03]: It makes sense. 46:02.726 --> 46:05.987 [SPEAKER_03]: Like time is a device that it's like it's like the ring. 46:06.907 --> 46:11.609 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, there here's this ring and a whole bunch of stuff bends and works around it and it gets used in these 46:14.783 --> 46:22.627 [SPEAKER_03]: not time like the ring, but the way that any major gravity they're using, you know, gravity is implied in this world, right? 46:23.467 --> 46:32.331 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the same kind of thing, it's part of the scaffolding in the universe, and they are using it strategically, is what I would say. 46:34.512 --> 46:43.056 [SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts or... No, I'm so, I hear what you're saying, but I think there's something to what Jimmy is saying. 46:44.837 --> 46:50.022 [SPEAKER_01]: about the time that I still haven't put my music with us. 46:50.622 --> 46:51.163 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't. 46:53.325 --> 46:56.208 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really because I felt it too. 46:57.268 --> 46:57.689 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 46:58.670 --> 47:04.095 [SPEAKER_01]: This focus on past and present and future. 47:05.456 --> 47:09.540 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's um, I don't know what to make of it yet. 47:10.650 --> 47:10.870 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 47:11.490 --> 47:16.313 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to make of it yet, but I feel I do feel it as I'm watching. 47:16.973 --> 47:17.213 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 47:19.455 --> 47:19.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool. 47:21.155 --> 47:21.496 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 47:22.316 --> 47:25.037 [SPEAKER_03]: Zach, wrote in by email. 47:25.057 --> 47:25.878 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to read Zach's? 47:27.899 --> 47:28.319 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:28.519 --> 47:29.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I want to read Zach's email. 47:31.227 --> 47:33.288 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, hey guys, name is Zach. 47:33.609 --> 47:40.153 [SPEAKER_01]: Started listening to your podcast during House of the Dragon Season 3. 47:40.193 --> 47:40.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 47:41.014 --> 47:44.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Followed you over here to hear your discussion on lanterns. 47:44.476 --> 47:45.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Show has been great so far. 47:46.317 --> 47:47.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Just finished episode six. 47:48.138 --> 47:53.582 [SPEAKER_01]: And after that Batman reference held gave us, I just wanted to share my thoughts from Carrie's backstory. 47:53.622 --> 47:55.724 [SPEAKER_01]: We found out last week in episode five. 47:56.484 --> 48:00.847 [SPEAKER_01]: She fled Gotham in 2007 because her father snitched on some power for people. 48:01.607 --> 48:06.551 [SPEAKER_01]: These people had to be the court of owls or Gotham's notorious crime voices. 48:07.231 --> 48:11.634 [SPEAKER_01]: What if this backstory is also a hidden origin to DC's greatest superhero? 48:11.994 --> 48:12.415 [SPEAKER_01]: Batman. 48:13.275 --> 48:30.888 [SPEAKER_01]: If these people sent men after Curry after Curry, they could have done the same for anyone who shares that family name, and since Martha was a cane, maybe the death of Bruce Rain's parents in this universe is by the same people who were after Curry. 48:31.789 --> 48:40.836 [SPEAKER_01]: 20 years would have passed since 2007, so that makes that would make our bad man in his early 30s if Bruce was an early teen at the 48:43.131 --> 48:51.514 [SPEAKER_01]: I know Gun has said something about wanting an older Batman, but with literally zero news on that front, it's fun to speculate. 48:52.314 --> 49:04.578 [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy the pod and look forward to hearing what y'all thought of the episode 6, and as a comic guy get this totally makes sense to me. 49:06.382 --> 49:26.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we should have put the I should have actually put this email down in the comics corner with the car stuff because this is some deep deep cover comics stuff here, but you might yeah, I'll just say that a lot of folks think that The court of owls, this is what about that, you know, more recent stories. 49:29.126 --> 49:31.847 [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of folks seem to believe that this. 49:32.993 --> 49:35.594 [SPEAKER_01]: That story will play some role in guns DCU. 49:36.415 --> 49:36.675 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 49:37.095 --> 49:38.276 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've never heard of it. 49:38.296 --> 49:38.836 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard of it. 49:38.936 --> 49:42.398 [SPEAKER_01]: All people have high hopes that it will play a role in guns. 49:42.518 --> 49:43.538 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 49:43.578 --> 49:43.859 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 49:44.479 --> 49:45.439 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we know nothing. 49:45.920 --> 49:46.340 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah. 49:47.310 --> 49:57.719 [SPEAKER_03]: Assuming that James gun is going to keep his job and I'm not saying like I don't I don't know anything Yeah, there's it feels like thin on the ground. 49:57.759 --> 50:05.205 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's going on in the halls of power for streaming Right, but if if I were a gun or a 50:07.527 --> 50:24.490 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... what was his name at marble uh... fiegy fiegy i'd be any of those uh... uh... who's the star wars guy now uh... gore my god no no no no um... what's his name i can see his face yeah back to director play dine ironman paid ironman striber 50:25.591 --> 50:30.512 [SPEAKER_03]: John Favro, Favro, Favro, Favro, Favro, sorry, I have short-term memory. 50:30.552 --> 50:36.334 [SPEAKER_03]: I only have so much RAM and sometimes things get moved out and if I'm not covering stock track or something like that, it's our wars. 50:36.734 --> 50:39.734 [SPEAKER_03]: Then my short-term memory doesn't hold all of the names. 50:40.995 --> 50:53.158 [SPEAKER_03]: If anybody, I would be worried right now for, because I think everything, when this, if this merger thing happens, doesn't happen, it's going, it's still, no matter what happens, it's still going to have reverberations 50:55.638 --> 51:00.740 [SPEAKER_03]: Whether it happens or not happens, if it doesn't happen, I think the shock waves are going to be as big as if it didn't happen. 51:03.261 --> 51:05.802 [SPEAKER_03]: In just different ways, it's just going to be a different kind of shock wave. 51:05.862 --> 51:08.003 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to have a different effect on the industry. 51:08.483 --> 51:10.364 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Zack's email is pretty good. 51:10.884 --> 51:11.084 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 51:11.224 --> 51:13.085 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're a comic nerd, nerds. 51:14.045 --> 51:15.066 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kidding, I'm a nerd too. 51:17.626 --> 51:21.867 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but I cool like if they, you know, I think it's fun if they're, they're stitching the world together. 51:21.907 --> 51:26.909 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just can you tell, say, self-contained stories without, you know, making people do a lot of homework. 51:27.829 --> 51:35.511 [SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, uh, last email before you take another break and then we get into the comics corner with Connor. 51:36.171 --> 51:39.812 [SPEAKER_03]: And I took, there's two emails that I, that came in earlier. 51:41.604 --> 51:54.770 [SPEAKER_03]: that I folded into comic corner, so the email Julia and Ken, your emails are in corners email, because they're sort of somehow connected. 51:54.990 --> 51:57.611 [SPEAKER_03]: We should have put zacks down there as well, but whatever, it's fine. 51:59.133 --> 52:01.595 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and the the bad pizza in salad. 52:01.635 --> 52:03.096 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I'm running. 52:03.116 --> 52:04.157 [SPEAKER_03]: I started to run on few. 52:04.177 --> 52:06.599 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so we're going to wrap this up pretty quick here. 52:07.460 --> 52:08.681 [SPEAKER_03]: Steve C by email. 52:08.721 --> 52:10.722 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, David John, killing it as always in your coverage. 52:10.762 --> 52:11.863 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you, Steve. 52:11.903 --> 52:12.283 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 52:13.284 --> 52:19.449 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been swamped in life and just got me an episode five in order to listen to your coverage of it before tonight's episode six. 52:19.469 --> 52:20.169 [SPEAKER_03]: So are you going to say? 52:21.250 --> 52:22.111 [SPEAKER_01]: No, swamped with life. 52:22.191 --> 52:22.411 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 52:22.912 --> 52:23.132 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 52:24.356 --> 52:26.037 [SPEAKER_01]: for being my hand, my hand is up as well. 52:26.397 --> 52:29.379 [SPEAKER_03]: Cause like, listen to your part, I had a couple thoughts. 52:29.479 --> 52:33.642 [SPEAKER_03]: You discussed a few times how the question of Zoe and John's relationship and their feelings for each other. 52:34.122 --> 52:37.524 [SPEAKER_03]: These brings me back to something that had been bugging me since episode two. 52:37.644 --> 52:40.126 [SPEAKER_03]: After John manifests his little green bird, 52:40.946 --> 52:46.588 [SPEAKER_03]: and how challenges him to keep it going until they meet again, John sees and joins Zoe in the diner. 52:47.168 --> 52:54.371 [SPEAKER_03]: It's obvious that they are both attracted to each other in that scene, so I kept expecting John's feeling for Zoe to interrupt his focus and lose the bird. 52:54.831 --> 52:55.352 [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't. 52:56.012 --> 53:03.195 [SPEAKER_03]: There were a couple of moments where the bird flew out of frame up into the rafters, but it was all still there. 53:03.655 --> 53:08.257 [SPEAKER_03]: We've all seen how Zoe manipulates people's feelings to bend them to her will. 53:09.297 --> 53:13.480 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think we've all assumed she successfully did this with John. 53:14.181 --> 53:20.105 [SPEAKER_03]: But the showrunners gave us this little hint in that scene that John was never hers. 53:21.086 --> 53:25.249 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a comic book guy and know nothing of the lanterns outside the show and films. 53:25.990 --> 53:33.575 [SPEAKER_03]: But it seems to me that everything and everyone in John's world is a tool for him to use. 53:34.596 --> 53:36.958 [SPEAKER_03]: They're all building blocks for his own constructs. 53:37.980 --> 53:39.065 [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be interesting to see. 53:39.085 --> 53:40.371 [SPEAKER_03]: Excuse me. 53:41.440 --> 53:51.807 [SPEAKER_03]: If some of house humanity can rub off on John before house eventual, eventually, but certainly free-free-free-free-free-free. 53:52.368 --> 54:00.694 [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be interesting to see if some of house humanity can rub off on John before house eventually a stadium popsicle. 54:00.754 --> 54:03.416 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I got that out of my head, that's out of my mouth there, right? 54:04.216 --> 54:06.238 [SPEAKER_03]: There's also moved by your discussion on skin color. 54:06.318 --> 54:10.601 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, here, let's stop there and then what do you think about? 54:11.261 --> 54:11.861 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree. 54:12.041 --> 54:12.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. 54:12.562 --> 54:13.002 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally. 54:13.142 --> 54:13.422 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't. 54:13.922 --> 54:17.804 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we talked at length about the bird scene. 54:18.844 --> 54:22.866 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt it was going in an opposite direction that it was Zoe. 54:23.446 --> 54:34.131 [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel I still feel that that seeing where they are opposing each other and the bird and the yellow chicken and the green bird. 54:34.291 --> 54:39.013 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just showing that John has this incredible amount of willpower. 54:39.865 --> 54:40.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 54:41.345 --> 54:51.127 [SPEAKER_01]: So that totally tracks, they totally tracks that, you know, he was never totally under the thrall of Zoey. 54:52.187 --> 54:52.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 54:53.227 --> 54:55.168 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah. 54:55.428 --> 55:03.709 [SPEAKER_03]: And because he was doing chase down by and and and tans guys on the freeway vehicles, birds just doing fine. 55:04.089 --> 55:04.349 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 55:04.889 --> 55:08.130 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm I think we see how 55:10.453 --> 55:15.478 [SPEAKER_01]: throughout the first five episode, humanity actually rub off on John. 55:16.378 --> 55:19.861 [SPEAKER_01]: We see them with each person at episode we see it. 55:20.702 --> 55:25.266 [SPEAKER_01]: A little bit more, a little bit more, where we're finally in the car. 55:25.286 --> 55:35.776 [SPEAKER_01]: Go back and he's, in episode five, where in the car and John is really sorry in that moment for having lied. 55:37.147 --> 55:43.333 [SPEAKER_01]: is looking to build some sort of rapport, some bridge to how. 55:44.674 --> 55:54.383 [SPEAKER_01]: So I do believe that yes, how's humanity, whatever it's starting, it has started to erode some of the, 55:57.290 --> 56:01.294 [SPEAKER_01]: the word that I could use for John's single-minded purpose that John has. 56:01.995 --> 56:05.198 [SPEAKER_03]: Go back to episodes one and he's like, yes, sir. 56:05.258 --> 56:07.680 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, every time you call me, sir, right? 56:08.821 --> 56:10.442 [SPEAKER_03]: And by the end, he's in the car. 56:10.462 --> 56:13.946 [SPEAKER_03]: He's like full on swearing at him after he catches it and everything. 56:13.986 --> 56:15.787 [SPEAKER_03]: He's actually unloading on the guy. 56:15.948 --> 56:16.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 56:17.674 --> 56:23.295 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and even when they're in the fight scene, uh, in the, in the motel, yes, right. 56:23.335 --> 56:27.196 [SPEAKER_03]: That takes a lot of humanity to, um, cut loose like that. 56:27.836 --> 56:28.056 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 56:28.756 --> 56:28.956 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 56:28.996 --> 56:30.696 [SPEAKER_03]: He's letting that all that rage out. 56:30.796 --> 56:42.258 [SPEAKER_03]: So even the humanity is not just apologizing or being kind or being loose and knowing how to joke, but it's actually being anger, feeling the anger and then let 56:48.312 --> 56:49.915 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think I think you're right. 56:49.935 --> 56:52.398 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Steve's got his finger on on something there. 56:53.941 --> 56:55.043 [SPEAKER_03]: Last paragraph of Steve's. 56:55.864 --> 57:02.314 [SPEAKER_03]: I was also moved by your discussion on skin color and how both of you handled that like the show runners have with fearless grace. 57:02.595 --> 57:03.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you. 57:04.413 --> 57:29.787 [SPEAKER_03]: I am now wondering if this is why lindle off took this project, green lanterns, needing to issue fear in order to build a healthy galaxy, provide an ideal paradox, or perhaps sorry, parallel sandbox, medium to tackle race in a fearless way, just show it, no apologies, no sugar coating, no preaching, no fear, just show it, yeah, yeah. 57:31.608 --> 57:31.888 [SPEAKER_03]: I know. 57:31.908 --> 57:33.208 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't disagree. 57:34.569 --> 57:35.889 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't disagree with that at all. 57:38.210 --> 57:43.751 [SPEAKER_03]: It's been funny listening to Dungeon and Dura's because it do it's just like dogpiling a lindle off. 57:44.871 --> 57:52.693 [SPEAKER_03]: But lindle off is, you know, I mean, he, he, with watchmen, he's got some cred there as well. 57:54.462 --> 58:01.426 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd have to say, you know, in terms of dealing with, you know, complex social constructs. 58:01.846 --> 58:07.609 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he is the the showrunner, but one of three showrunners. 58:07.709 --> 58:07.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 58:08.490 --> 58:15.873 [SPEAKER_01]: And we also have to give Kudos to the writers and also the directors for putting this on screen. 58:15.913 --> 58:20.496 [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it was Kelly Badeen who said that about it and who said that, um, 58:22.713 --> 58:30.420 [SPEAKER_01]: It was episode three, where she handed it in to, I forget who directed it. 58:31.241 --> 58:32.482 [SPEAKER_01]: It may have been Steven Williams. 58:32.502 --> 58:33.743 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking at the weekend right now. 58:33.803 --> 58:36.045 [SPEAKER_03]: The director is Steven Williams. 58:36.365 --> 58:37.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he really is. 58:37.606 --> 58:39.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:39.208 --> 58:45.734 [SPEAKER_01]: And when she was done with the episode, done writing as she handed it to him, 58:46.784 --> 58:50.887 [SPEAKER_01]: And fully expecting, you know, well, we can't do this, we can't do that. 58:50.907 --> 58:53.549 [SPEAKER_01]: We should go in this direction, school, and that direction. 58:54.050 --> 58:55.351 [SPEAKER_01]: And she said there was none of that. 58:55.591 --> 59:00.855 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just like this is, this is, this is a goal, just like, as it is. 59:01.376 --> 59:01.636 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 59:02.136 --> 59:09.682 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you have to give credit to the, the writer's room to the writers and the directors as well. 59:09.742 --> 59:10.643 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just Lindoff. 59:13.105 --> 59:15.947 [SPEAKER_03]: Looks like there are six credited writers in total. 59:17.098 --> 59:28.582 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got Monday, Linda Lough, and King, which are the three show runners, Vanessa Badden Kelly, who's got one and a half credits, I guess you want to call it that way. 59:29.962 --> 59:30.523 [SPEAKER_03]: Black one, Rhett. 59:31.663 --> 59:37.285 [SPEAKER_03]: Brandon Gibson, who's got a credit, that's the only credit that Bray Gibson has is for number four. 59:47.705 --> 59:49.826 [SPEAKER_03]: six is Justin Britt Gibson. 59:50.166 --> 59:58.248 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Brian, Brianna Gibson is a writer credited to themselves on episode four. 59:58.969 --> 59:59.229 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 01:00:00.329 --> 01:00:12.713 [SPEAKER_03]: In less as a type on Wiki, like, you know, uh, and then Justin Justin Britt Gibson has a couple and then Linda Loff and King and then Mundi, Linda Loff and King have the last two. 01:00:13.670 --> 01:00:24.492 [SPEAKER_01]: But I say this to say that a diverse rider's room, a diverse production can lead to these sorts of right series. 01:00:24.872 --> 01:00:29.713 [SPEAKER_03]: Stephen Williams directing, Gide events at Patel directing a couple. 01:00:29.733 --> 01:00:32.514 [SPEAKER_03]: Looks like Stephen Williams has two. 01:00:34.274 --> 01:00:38.295 [SPEAKER_03]: Patel has two in James Hawes has two. 01:00:40.496 --> 01:00:42.416 [SPEAKER_03]: James Hawes is a white British guy. 01:00:47.465 --> 01:00:51.008 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just looking at his thing really quick. 01:00:51.768 --> 01:00:56.612 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I mean, that's, again, none of this is to take away from that, that wrap-up point. 01:00:57.133 --> 01:00:57.433 [SPEAKER_03]: No. 01:00:57.593 --> 01:01:03.138 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we can, we can put Lindeloff sort of on the top of the pyramid or whatever, because he's got the biggest game. 01:01:03.358 --> 01:01:04.879 [SPEAKER_03]: Does he have the biggest name of the three of them? 01:01:05.019 --> 01:01:05.299 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean. 01:01:05.319 --> 01:01:06.280 [SPEAKER_03]: Entity. 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:06.480 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 01:01:06.500 --> 01:01:06.761 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. 01:01:09.796 --> 01:01:14.397 [SPEAKER_03]: Creeger King is a big comic writer, so. 01:01:14.417 --> 01:01:20.598 [SPEAKER_03]: The comic writer and Mundi, wasn't Mundi the, who do you call it? 01:01:20.698 --> 01:01:26.559 [SPEAKER_01]: The, uh, for those who detectives, hmm, I thought he did Ozark. 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:28.539 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, maybe it was Ozark. 01:01:28.579 --> 01:01:29.379 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe it's right. 01:01:29.399 --> 01:01:32.660 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to find that credits were like a quick link. 01:01:34.500 --> 01:01:38.621 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, the, the, the, the, the, the sounds and spare two detectives and slow horses. 01:01:39.448 --> 01:01:48.139 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, we could, we could spin around this merry-go-round for a while. 01:01:48.179 --> 01:01:56.750 [SPEAKER_03]: The point is that the show runners empowered their writers and the directors to do their jobs. 01:01:57.251 --> 01:01:58.012 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right. 01:01:58.733 --> 01:01:58.953 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 01:01:59.133 --> 01:02:04.334 [SPEAKER_03]: And then they worked in a creative environment where you had people like Airmpeer and what's his name? 01:02:07.875 --> 01:02:09.295 [SPEAKER_03]: Who's house actor? 01:02:09.615 --> 01:02:16.937 [SPEAKER_03]: Kyle Chandler and and Carrie McDonald's and who is Zoey? 01:02:18.877 --> 01:02:19.557 [SPEAKER_03]: Where is Zoey? 01:02:21.818 --> 01:02:26.319 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking on the thing and I can't find the thing because my brain is doing the thing 01:02:27.660 --> 01:02:28.980 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, we know who she is. 01:02:29.160 --> 01:02:31.041 [SPEAKER_03]: I just need to say her name. 01:02:31.121 --> 01:02:37.582 [SPEAKER_03]: Purna, Jognathon, where those actors could be elevated and do their jobs, right? 01:02:37.602 --> 01:02:42.343 [SPEAKER_03]: So they've created this environment where everybody is firing on creative cylinders. 01:02:45.004 --> 01:02:45.204 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:02:46.284 --> 01:02:49.625 [SPEAKER_03]: So we can credit Lindeloff, but we can't, he's not the sole credit. 01:02:49.665 --> 01:02:52.066 [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't get to do the one who gets to walk away. 01:02:52.106 --> 01:02:52.386 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 01:02:52.586 --> 01:02:53.086 [SPEAKER_03]: All of this. 01:02:55.147 --> 01:03:10.464 [SPEAKER_03]: He's I think he's lent him lending his muscle to getting this thing made absolutely that is that is the key I think because he's the biggest name of the three I think in terms of Showbiz power. 01:03:11.004 --> 01:03:11.164 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah 01:03:13.638 --> 01:03:27.909 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, you know, you lend a loft's office calls and says he'd like to take a meeting with the studio head, the studio head takes that call and sits at that meat, right, regardless of what it is you just take that eating period. 01:03:29.010 --> 01:03:30.190 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so. 01:03:31.972 --> 01:03:35.795 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, cool, all right, let's get back to the outline. 01:03:37.046 --> 01:03:44.001 [SPEAKER_03]: And let's take one more break and then we're going to get into comics corner with Connor. 01:03:53.067 --> 01:03:53.908 [SPEAKER_03]: and we're back. 01:03:54.208 --> 01:03:59.674 [SPEAKER_03]: It's time for Comic Corner with Connor to start us off Julia C, who is a loremaster. 01:03:59.994 --> 01:04:11.806 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for your patronage Julia C, wrote in to say, Connor's math minute made my night even though I could never have comprehended it enough to explain what he taught to me or anyone. 01:04:13.908 --> 01:04:18.829 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're not a little worried, the actual show is and what a gift it is to have this pot. 01:04:18.969 --> 01:04:20.050 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's very kind of. 01:04:20.070 --> 01:04:26.991 [SPEAKER_03]: And a few other phase, including Dungeons & Do rags, compliments, mercy, gracias, et cetera, et cetera. 01:04:27.011 --> 01:04:28.011 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you, Julia. 01:04:28.031 --> 01:04:33.553 [SPEAKER_03]: See, not only for your ongoing patronage, but for your kind words, that is nice. 01:04:34.877 --> 01:04:39.241 [SPEAKER_03]: And in reply, I have a very funny little audio clip that Connor sent in. 01:04:39.301 --> 01:04:51.613 [SPEAKER_03]: I am promoting Connor to the Green Lantern Core liaison officer, because Connor's the work that Connor is doing is like off the charts crazy. 01:04:52.273 --> 01:04:53.334 [SPEAKER_03]: We should talk to Connor, maybe. 01:04:53.354 --> 01:04:56.557 [SPEAKER_03]: We should think about, like, because we should have him on definitely. 01:04:56.998 --> 01:04:57.498 [SPEAKER_01]: We feed you. 01:04:57.618 --> 01:04:57.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:05:00.941 --> 01:05:01.341 [SPEAKER_01]: for sure. 01:05:01.861 --> 01:05:05.502 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to put our feelings out and see what content is. 01:05:05.522 --> 01:05:08.902 [SPEAKER_03]: But first, you mean Alicia are going to do our official wrap-up pod. 01:05:09.042 --> 01:05:09.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 01:05:09.943 --> 01:05:10.703 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's that. 01:05:10.803 --> 01:05:11.823 [SPEAKER_03]: So Alicia's going to come on. 01:05:11.843 --> 01:05:13.863 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do a wrap-up pod with the three of us. 01:05:14.643 --> 01:05:22.825 [SPEAKER_03]: And then maybe we could have a little side combo with Connor and just sort of, you know, nerd out with him for a quick second, check in with him and just just to say thanks. 01:05:23.025 --> 01:05:25.945 [SPEAKER_03]: Because he does have a nice voice for podcasting. 01:05:26.085 --> 01:05:28.706 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's listen to his feedback. 01:05:29.286 --> 01:05:29.946 [SPEAKER_02]: David and John. 01:05:30.467 --> 01:05:36.991 [SPEAKER_02]: Firstly, I just want to say I'm so excited to see how this story concludes and I'm really looking forward to these last couple episodes. 01:05:37.411 --> 01:05:46.957 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is the moment and opportunity that the show can actually start to get more cosmic and kind of introduce people into the wider green lantern world. 01:05:47.338 --> 01:05:51.780 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to start here with some general feedback from the last couple episodes. 01:05:52.641 --> 01:05:55.123 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hope you guys can have a good time listening to it. 01:05:55.783 --> 01:05:58.827 [SPEAKER_02]: Firstly, I just want to say thank you for including my math minute. 01:05:59.779 --> 01:06:01.820 [SPEAKER_02]: to be entirely honest. 01:06:02.361 --> 01:06:05.803 [SPEAKER_02]: I worked a very long weekend and a very long week. 01:06:06.083 --> 01:06:10.927 [SPEAKER_02]: I put in, I think, it totaled out like 92 hours in total that much. 01:06:11.407 --> 01:06:15.730 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just super tired, super out of it. 01:06:16.250 --> 01:06:20.993 [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw somebody be like, man, how had to be flying really fast on Twitter or something? 01:06:21.314 --> 01:06:23.735 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, you know what, I wonder how fast he is. 01:06:23.795 --> 01:06:27.618 [SPEAKER_02]: And so in my sleep to private state, I sat there and was like, let me just go through all of it. 01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:31.000 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was so tired. 01:06:31.040 --> 01:06:33.461 [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot that I did that. 01:06:33.881 --> 01:06:41.206 [SPEAKER_02]: And so when I sent the whole thing in I just moved on with my life and then I had another really busy week right after I worked another 80 hour week right after that. 01:06:41.726 --> 01:06:51.492 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm listening to the podcast and I just started losing it laughing that you included because I was listening to it thinking I sound insane right anyway. 01:06:52.312 --> 01:06:57.298 [SPEAKER_02]: something I said to my better half after finishing episode five was, I find it very interesting. 01:06:57.718 --> 01:07:06.688 [SPEAKER_02]: How probably would have succeeded if John didn't interrupt his recharge at the climax of episode five there when John charges in and beats the ever-living shit out of him? 01:07:08.149 --> 01:07:24.042 [SPEAKER_02]: if how was able to recharge the ring based on how we've seen guy using it in superman and based on comical or i'm pretty sure he would have been able to bubble up the city uh uh or the town keep it safe from the satellites and he could have flown out there and probably taken out all the militia with next to no difficulty and he probably would have succeeded in his plan. 01:07:24.562 --> 01:07:25.523 [SPEAKER_02]: which John ruined. 01:07:25.603 --> 01:07:31.067 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that adds a little bit more context to some of Hal's thinking. 01:07:31.367 --> 01:07:36.931 [SPEAKER_02]: We saw on the preview for this upcoming week, this episode six that Hal says, I'm not the only killer at this table. 01:07:36.971 --> 01:07:38.612 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's a little bit of to that. 01:07:38.692 --> 01:07:41.994 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, John preventing Hal from being a hero in Hal's eyes. 01:07:42.014 --> 01:07:45.617 [SPEAKER_02]: He could totally see it as John is in part responsible for the deaths of all those people. 01:07:46.497 --> 01:07:49.520 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm also very happy to see John give up the ring. 01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:57.288 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that we're seeing John's story start from somebody who believes it's his right and that this is what he has to do. 01:07:57.348 --> 01:08:06.197 [SPEAKER_02]: It's what he's destined to do and turn into somebody who wants to do it because it's the right thing to do, not because it's his birth given right to do it. 01:08:07.701 --> 01:08:28.494 [SPEAKER_02]: I do also have to admit that John finally showing that that deeper emotional side to him and who he truly is starting to let those emotions out that rage, that fury, at how when he just went in there and beat the shit out of him, I just I was smiling ear to ear when I saw that and I hope we get more of that in the upcoming episodes. 01:08:28.514 --> 01:08:30.335 [SPEAKER_02]: We can see kind of more of who John really is. 01:08:30.375 --> 01:08:34.238 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really interested in the diner scene in this next episode here episode six. 01:08:35.597 --> 01:08:44.099 [SPEAKER_02]: The thing about the howl chipping is ring thing, you mentioned it briefly in the episode about if that was a normal thing in comics or something, David. 01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:51.461 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's not a normal thing in comics to start there, but I think it's howlsawjohn create the bird. 01:08:52.222 --> 01:08:59.844 [SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder if his inspiration is, okay, so if there's a way to keep the construct going, even when I'm not focused on it, perhaps I need to do something. 01:08:59.864 --> 01:09:03.745 [SPEAKER_02]: And like we saw how he knocks the ring up against the hood of the car, and that gives him a little bit more charge. 01:09:04.466 --> 01:09:08.691 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if we get that explanation as that he knows if he chips off the ring. 01:09:09.813 --> 01:09:11.395 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of doing its own thing off to the side. 01:09:11.415 --> 01:09:19.005 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have to focus on as much like John did with the bird, and that allows the hologram to stay around in century mode, and it's not something he needs to be diehard focused on 24.7. 01:09:20.227 --> 01:09:21.748 [SPEAKER_02]: I also wonder if that is the case. 01:09:21.788 --> 01:09:29.896 [SPEAKER_02]: Does that mean that the hologram's still around 10 years later in 2026 and John's gonna bump into him and be like, he'll be like, hey, where have you guys been? 01:09:29.916 --> 01:09:31.217 [SPEAKER_02]: I've just been sitting here waiting. 01:09:32.678 --> 01:09:40.185 [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, lastly about my general feedback to all green lantern newcomers regarding how I just wanted to say this one little thing. 01:09:40.925 --> 01:09:46.367 [SPEAKER_02]: The hologram is significantly closer to how Hal Axe in the comics, especially nowadays. 01:09:47.267 --> 01:09:57.229 [SPEAKER_02]: The older jaded Hal is much more of the 90s version of him, which I've mentioned Jeff Johns in previous episodes, Jeff Johns retconned that to be part of a possession storyline. 01:09:58.110 --> 01:10:02.591 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that could be something we're seeing in the show could not be, but the hologram cheerful. 01:10:02.871 --> 01:10:04.311 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like that John Guy. 01:10:04.611 --> 01:10:06.672 [SPEAKER_02]: That's much more of how Hal Axe 01:10:07.132 --> 01:10:07.752 [SPEAKER_02]: in the comics. 01:10:07.872 --> 01:10:14.135 [SPEAKER_02]: And that dynamic between the hologram and John in the first episode is much similar to how they act in the comics. 01:10:14.155 --> 01:10:18.637 [SPEAKER_02]: Mind you, they've only shared one scene so far, but I'm interested to see how that changes in these next couple episodes. 01:10:19.178 --> 01:10:27.521 [SPEAKER_02]: And I truly, truly, truly hope that we get to see a little bit of a redemption or dare I say a rebirth for how knowing this. 01:10:28.122 --> 01:10:34.625 [SPEAKER_02]: A final, even if it's a final moment sort of thing, just seeing him reclaim who he once was, I think, will be 01:10:35.578 --> 01:10:36.658 [SPEAKER_02]: David John, everybody else. 01:10:36.718 --> 01:10:41.059 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for your time and I hope everybody enjoys episode six. 01:10:42.940 --> 01:10:44.460 [SPEAKER_03]: We've got a little bit more from Connor. 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:50.282 [SPEAKER_03]: I took some his feedback and restructured it to go a little bit differently. 01:10:51.322 --> 01:10:54.243 [SPEAKER_03]: The thing I wanted to point out, mostly though, which is the fact that in 01:10:55.406 --> 01:10:57.527 [SPEAKER_03]: his delirium, he did the comics. 01:10:57.768 --> 01:10:59.469 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not how he operates normally. 01:10:59.489 --> 01:11:02.671 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a special circumstance. 01:11:02.751 --> 01:11:04.352 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I thought that was good. 01:11:04.372 --> 01:11:05.553 [SPEAKER_01]: And we benefited from it. 01:11:05.733 --> 01:11:07.314 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, thank you, sure. 01:11:07.334 --> 01:11:09.115 [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people had a lot of fun with that. 01:11:09.155 --> 01:11:10.396 [SPEAKER_03]: I was even talking to Marilyn today. 01:11:10.436 --> 01:11:12.057 [SPEAKER_03]: And she thought that that was pretty funny too. 01:11:12.318 --> 01:11:12.498 [SPEAKER_03]: So. 01:11:14.046 --> 01:11:18.388 [SPEAKER_03]: Anything that jumped out of you from Connor Sheet back there that you want to touch on? 01:11:19.108 --> 01:11:28.512 [SPEAKER_01]: No, just the final part where the hellogram and the hell that we see are two really different house. 01:11:28.992 --> 01:11:39.616 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we picked up on that throughout in that first episode and afterwards when we spoke about it, it's just like you can see that this hell that John is meeting is not 01:11:44.353 --> 01:11:49.136 [SPEAKER_01]: So, right, the 30 years have really aged them, have really worn him down. 01:11:51.058 --> 01:12:09.050 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder, too, from Winnie, first made the hologram to, then, I think I wonder if it's not the celestial involvement that actually pushed his personality over into that more sour 01:12:13.540 --> 01:12:17.621 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, because he's the one who had to to capture a Sinestro and put him in jail, right? 01:12:17.681 --> 01:12:18.061 [SPEAKER_03]: Could be. 01:12:18.301 --> 01:12:23.023 [SPEAKER_03]: So could be Spazka's and Spazka's and is that what's a space? 01:12:23.043 --> 01:12:25.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Spazka's and that's what that's my guy calls it. 01:12:25.924 --> 01:12:28.324 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's what the the gym teacher. 01:12:29.805 --> 01:12:30.565 [SPEAKER_03]: Cool, anything else? 01:12:31.285 --> 01:12:31.705 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no. 01:12:32.645 --> 01:12:35.426 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, now I've got another clip from Connor here. 01:12:35.506 --> 01:12:35.866 [SPEAKER_03]: This one's a 01:12:42.495 --> 01:12:47.019 [SPEAKER_02]: I had some thoughts regarding Laura Linney's quote-unquote Guardian. 01:12:48.320 --> 01:12:51.042 [SPEAKER_02]: I was looking for a specific comic panel and I couldn't find it. 01:12:51.083 --> 01:12:53.985 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was scrolling through Reddit in the Green Lantern subreddit. 01:12:54.005 --> 01:12:57.828 [SPEAKER_02]: And I happened to just scroll past somebody, posting the exact panel I was looking for. 01:12:58.529 --> 01:13:03.693 [SPEAKER_02]: And it shows a group of people called the Weaponners of Cored. 01:13:06.042 --> 01:13:18.307 [SPEAKER_02]: course located in the antimatter universe which is kind of like the opposite of our universe and it exists outside of our reality and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, comic book stuff, but it's a fairly frequent place of visitation for green lantern comics. 01:13:20.027 --> 01:13:29.151 [SPEAKER_02]: Most importantly because of something called Sinestro and his yellow lanterns, those rings came from the weaponers of court. 01:13:29.171 --> 01:13:30.192 [SPEAKER_02]: They're the ones who invented those. 01:13:31.733 --> 01:13:38.556 [SPEAKER_02]: Interestingly, in the comics, after the Guardians learned about Sinestro's betrayal, they banished him to the planet court in the Intematter Universe. 01:13:38.877 --> 01:13:42.899 [SPEAKER_02]: And he sought out and found the weaponers, and he allied alongside them. 01:13:43.299 --> 01:13:59.629 [SPEAKER_02]: They had been villains for the Green Lanterns for a while, and they were trying to create a power ring of their own, and with Sinestro's help and his knowledge and expertise as a Green Lantern, they were finally able to do it, with him teaching them about the yellow impurity in the Green Lantern rings, which makes Green Lanterns week to the color yellow in the Silver Age comics. 01:14:00.845 --> 01:14:06.811 [SPEAKER_02]: The Cordians and Sinestros make a yellow lantern ring, which at the time was just a ring that happened to be yellow. 01:14:06.911 --> 01:14:10.775 [SPEAKER_02]: It had nothing to do with anything that comes later on in the Jeff John's era and beyond. 01:14:11.235 --> 01:14:16.800 [SPEAKER_02]: But Sinestros used it to combat and fight against Hal Jordan for many years when Hal Jordan 01:14:17.661 --> 01:14:25.846 [SPEAKER_02]: Declare himself Paralax, which was later reckoned into a possession storyline, he Paralax slash Hal Jordan killed in quote, Sinestro. 01:14:25.866 --> 01:14:31.669 [SPEAKER_02]: This was later revealed to be a plot that Sinestro and Paralax came up with together, faking his death. 01:14:32.149 --> 01:14:39.013 [SPEAKER_02]: He returned the Greenland and Rebirth comic, which, coincidentally, was in that scene I mentioned last week with Oliver Queen firing an arrow. 01:14:39.674 --> 01:14:41.315 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's revealed to be the main villain of the storyline. 01:14:42.317 --> 01:14:46.460 [SPEAKER_02]: Over the next few years in comics, Sinestro slowly sends yellow rings all out into the universe. 01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:59.231 [SPEAKER_02]: He finds members to induct into his yellow lantern core and he builds a central power battery in headquarters for these yellow lanterns or as he calls them the Sinestro core on the planet core in the anti-matter universe with the weaponers helping him. 01:14:59.771 --> 01:15:04.014 [SPEAKER_02]: As they mass produced the ring, they build the infrastructure for the central power battery and so on. 01:15:04.935 --> 01:15:13.238 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll remind you, by the way, Sinester doesn't hate green lanterns, he hates the way that the guardians rule the green lanterns, and rule over the universe from their pedestal. 01:15:14.178 --> 01:15:15.579 [SPEAKER_02]: Why am I explaining all this? 01:15:15.619 --> 01:15:17.920 [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably asking, and I'm so happy that you did. 01:15:18.540 --> 01:15:25.923 [SPEAKER_02]: Lauren, when he's guardian, mind you the only guardian we've seen in the show, has an extremely similar outfit to the weaponers from the Silver Age. 01:15:27.043 --> 01:15:34.845 [SPEAKER_02]: Moreover, we all know James Gunn loves his obscure silver age, shenanigans and references and characters to throw in to his stuff. 01:15:34.885 --> 01:15:39.807 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm wondering if Laura's Guardian is actually a weaponner working alongside Sinestro. 01:15:40.447 --> 01:15:43.568 [SPEAKER_02]: For some greater nefarious, perhaps more yellow purpose. 01:15:44.505 --> 01:15:46.967 [SPEAKER_02]: Yet again, I must point out like I did the last couple of weeks. 01:15:47.107 --> 01:15:53.651 [SPEAKER_02]: Guardians very rarely take interest in rejects and more importantly, we haven't seen any other guardians in the show. 01:15:54.372 --> 01:16:00.116 [SPEAKER_02]: Plus, she's just being so manipulative towards John and Sinextron knows about John before how it tells him. 01:16:01.096 --> 01:16:04.218 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're both kind of instilling fear into the characters. 01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:06.700 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's something to think about. 01:16:06.740 --> 01:16:07.601 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a possibility. 01:16:07.861 --> 01:16:12.904 [SPEAKER_02]: It could also just be that she's a rogue guardian and is going to be allied with Sinextron through that. 01:16:14.633 --> 01:16:19.696 [SPEAKER_02]: All that being said, I'm still clinging on to Laura Lennie's Guardian is very suspicious. 01:16:21.717 --> 01:16:22.317 [SPEAKER_02]: The music. 01:16:22.337 --> 01:16:22.977 [SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Colner. 01:16:23.938 --> 01:16:24.678 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally agree. 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:26.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Totally agree with everything you can say. 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:36.385 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I told you, I think we spoke about it after episode three, and I said, that's not a guardian with the transform. 01:16:37.614 --> 01:16:49.959 [SPEAKER_01]: that's air, you know, I'm off the speculations, but exactly the same as Connor's talk and I see the panel, because that's the panel that I went to. 01:16:49.979 --> 01:16:57.022 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to the panel, but I went to to be like, oh, yeah, I know I saw those straps before. 01:16:58.996 --> 01:17:07.944 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so you guys are might actually be on to something here for real, so because the the outfit that Ariana is right from the back. 01:17:08.604 --> 01:17:10.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%. 01:17:10.786 --> 01:17:24.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And knowing, you know, like Ariana when she transformed with significantly significantly taller than what a guardian normally is shown as 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:42.474 [SPEAKER_03]: But that's a good psychological effect, if you want to impress it or us woman, who's not being very afraid of mild men or white lady with a giant diamond standing in her driveway at night at clock on the and whatever side of town they live on. 01:17:43.407 --> 01:17:45.127 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm totally on board with it. 01:17:45.267 --> 01:17:54.930 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be interesting to see if they actually do the chord storyline because that's- How are they gonna, that's a lot of story to show what I mean to you in the last two episodes. 01:17:54.970 --> 01:17:57.291 [SPEAKER_01]: Anti-matter universe, then- Right. 01:17:57.671 --> 01:17:59.391 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot to be said about that. 01:17:59.471 --> 01:18:01.812 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll, yeah, we'll see. 01:18:02.032 --> 01:18:02.352 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see. 01:18:03.052 --> 01:18:09.815 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot to pack in because if you're going to put new players on the board that we had seen before, you've got to justify those. 01:18:09.835 --> 01:18:14.676 [SPEAKER_03]: You have story work to do to get us to buy it because this episode didn't do any of that. 01:18:14.796 --> 01:18:17.177 [SPEAKER_03]: It just reset John's character. 01:18:24.240 --> 01:18:31.303 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's, that's going to, two episodes is a big, whoop, they're going to have to pack it in in the next couple of weeks. 01:18:31.963 --> 01:18:33.884 [SPEAKER_03]: But good looking out, good looking out. 01:18:34.825 --> 01:18:39.286 [SPEAKER_03]: It's good that we have some great lantern, poor people here on the show to dig this stuff through. 01:18:40.287 --> 01:18:44.509 [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of that, Ken W, Laura Hound and Frent long time friend of the pod. 01:18:45.658 --> 01:18:58.849 [SPEAKER_03]: wrote in on Patreon to say question for comics corner just thought on my rewatch why didn't the guardians or green lantern corps make smaller portable chargers for the rings they'd have it with them when the ring runs low. 01:18:59.490 --> 01:19:09.258 [SPEAKER_03]: So I sent this to Connor and Connor wrote back and has a voicemail which I'm going to play in a second but he basically says 01:19:10.525 --> 01:19:14.066 [SPEAKER_03]: They did invent a portable charger for the rings. 01:19:14.686 --> 01:19:15.846 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the lantern. 01:19:16.566 --> 01:19:19.207 [SPEAKER_03]: The lantern is not fixed to a single location. 01:19:19.247 --> 01:19:20.868 [SPEAKER_03]: They can bring it with them anywhere they go. 01:19:21.488 --> 01:19:25.989 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, depending on the writer, sometimes the lantern can be grabbed from their pocket dimensions, no matter where they are. 01:19:26.049 --> 01:19:27.689 [SPEAKER_03]: Other times, it's in a specific spot. 01:19:28.269 --> 01:19:34.091 [SPEAKER_03]: Or, and even others, times, it's just thrown into house locker at Ferris Air. 01:19:34.951 --> 01:19:37.472 [SPEAKER_03]: And Connor's got some more to say about that. 01:19:37.492 --> 01:19:38.832 [SPEAKER_03]: So this is the last clip from Connor. 01:19:40.087 --> 01:19:48.792 [SPEAKER_02]: Now you forwarded me an email actually from Ken W and it was something I already planned on addressing, so I figured I'd throw it in here with this. 01:19:50.018 --> 01:20:09.764 [SPEAKER_02]: And I do want to say thank you for forwarding it to me, but he asked why the guardians don't just invent portable chargers for the rings and Ken I wanted to say to you and I want to make sure you get this there are portable chargers that's what the lantern is it's supposed to be used and brought with them as a way to re-up their charge is their traveling all around. 01:20:10.544 --> 01:20:15.385 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes the Green Lanterns can store in a pocket dimension and there's two different methods of that. 01:20:15.425 --> 01:20:19.546 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes the pocket dimension only has one entrance, like we saw in this episode, it has to be in the locker. 01:20:19.926 --> 01:20:22.667 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes the pocket dimension can be accessed from anywhere. 01:20:22.687 --> 01:20:29.388 [SPEAKER_02]: We see a trosset to do this a lot, where it doesn't matter where he is, he just reaches into space and pulls out his pocket dimension, red lantern, and use it to charge up. 01:20:30.909 --> 01:20:36.850 [SPEAKER_02]: And other times, it just is a physical lantern that lives in the closet somewhere in house case typically his locker fairs air. 01:20:38.272 --> 01:20:42.996 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's no rule that says they can't bring it with them places. 01:20:44.617 --> 01:20:51.543 [SPEAKER_02]: However, it's the responsibility of the Green Lantern to keep their ring topped up in the Lantern safe. 01:20:51.643 --> 01:21:02.092 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, in comics, the Lantern has a charge that they have to go back to OA regularly to recharge the Lantern itself, so they can continue to use it to charge up the ring. 01:21:04.272 --> 01:21:13.015 [SPEAKER_02]: They can bring that lantern with them anywhere, but if they lose it, or it's destroyed, they're completely screwed, and they have no way to recharge without getting back to OA. 01:21:13.295 --> 01:21:20.318 [SPEAKER_02]: And let's be honest, if you're operating at 10%, your lantern gets destroyed, that 10% is not getting you back to OA, to charge up and get a new lantern. 01:21:20.778 --> 01:21:24.580 [SPEAKER_02]: So typically, they keep it stored away in out of sight, out of mind. 01:21:25.140 --> 01:21:30.163 [SPEAKER_02]: When it's out of mind, of course, we have a offered situation of you get really low on charged. 01:21:30.523 --> 01:21:35.566 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit of a contrivence to make the story work the way that it needs to, but once again, it's something we readers accept. 01:21:36.443 --> 01:21:49.155 [SPEAKER_02]: I will point out that guy in the Superman 2025 movie never as I said had a concern about charge if they're going to keep the lantern mindset the same between the two properties. 01:21:49.596 --> 01:21:56.362 [SPEAKER_02]: My guess is guy is just constantly reupping at all the time, which is a little bit more like his comic counterpart. 01:21:56.983 --> 01:22:03.109 [SPEAKER_02]: It's also worth noting that the ring is capable of being charged on any source of green light of willpower. 01:22:03.390 --> 01:22:07.514 [SPEAKER_02]: Be it the central power battery, the portable lantern, or even a manhunter. 01:22:07.974 --> 01:22:10.657 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, a manhunter. 01:22:11.037 --> 01:22:18.465 [SPEAKER_02]: The manhunter is powered by the green light and in the comics, there are multiple instances of green lanterns charging their rings off the face of a manhunter. 01:22:18.785 --> 01:22:19.366 [SPEAKER_02]: I attached some 01:22:19.646 --> 01:22:33.770 [SPEAKER_02]: panels for your amusement where you see how in middle of combat against a manhunter and he gets right up in the manhunter's face says the oath punches it in the face charges up the ring off of the manhunter's own power and then rips its head off. 01:22:35.111 --> 01:22:38.832 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very fun little sequence of panels there so I hope you enjoy them. 01:22:42.978 --> 01:22:43.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:22:43.258 --> 01:22:44.579 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was right. 01:22:44.819 --> 01:22:57.444 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I think that's, you know, the point about how constantly letting his ring become dangerously low is the point about how. 01:22:58.064 --> 01:22:58.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it. 01:22:58.664 --> 01:23:06.228 [SPEAKER_01]: Where he's at at this stage of his lantern of, you know, he's just clocked in life. 01:23:06.408 --> 01:23:07.508 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's just being sloppy. 01:23:07.728 --> 01:23:08.188 [SPEAKER_03]: This is how 01:23:10.559 --> 01:23:15.684 [SPEAKER_03]: because he could have that on his belt, he could, you know, he could have a pocket dimension in the safe, in a back, whatever. 01:23:15.704 --> 01:23:18.968 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but he's just being sloppy with it. 01:23:19.508 --> 01:23:19.689 [SPEAKER_03]: So. 01:23:20.707 --> 01:23:24.770 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and I think we should read this next bit, which is gonna talk even more about ring charts. 01:23:24.790 --> 01:23:26.891 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you wanna ring the ring charts thing here? 01:23:26.911 --> 01:23:28.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 01:23:29.013 --> 01:23:36.078 [SPEAKER_01]: So before we go anywhere into this, I have to say, the rule is the ring is as charged as the writer wants it to be in that moment. 01:23:36.518 --> 01:23:40.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Regardless, it's a very frequent trope for lanterns to lose their charge. 01:23:41.202 --> 01:23:48.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, some writers like to write the ring as though it naturally dissipates charge over the course of 24 hours regardless of use. 01:23:49.047 --> 01:23:54.735 [SPEAKER_01]: This means that it is always at maximum output and only working on a timeline issue. 01:23:55.336 --> 01:23:58.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Others make it that the more you use it the more it depletes. 01:23:58.540 --> 01:24:03.507 [SPEAKER_01]: That could mean you could go daze without charging even more so others make it both of the above. 01:24:04.108 --> 01:24:05.530 [SPEAKER_01]: it entirely depends on the writer. 01:24:05.970 --> 01:24:11.976 [SPEAKER_01]: Tom, Chris, and Damon seem to be taking the third approach and naturally depletes and using it depletes at two. 01:24:12.497 --> 01:24:15.480 [SPEAKER_01]: I have seen the third approach called the iPhone charge. 01:24:16.041 --> 01:24:19.524 [SPEAKER_01]: In the comics, it is so incredibly common for how to forget to charge 01:24:20.245 --> 01:24:29.431 [SPEAKER_01]: He has so-had strong and gun-hold that he just jumps in without re-uping his charge, is definitely a trope in writing contrivens, but we as readers tend to accept it. 01:24:29.811 --> 01:24:33.554 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes David, Jean was correct, you have to complete the oath to charge it. 01:24:34.014 --> 01:24:38.597 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, there's really, there's a really good example of this in Jeremy Adams current run. 01:24:39.157 --> 01:24:39.998 [SPEAKER_01]: Here are some panels. 01:24:40.198 --> 01:24:46.222 [SPEAKER_01]: You can see how it's falling in realises he won't be able to save the oath fast enough to get the charge, but he tries anyway. 01:24:46.742 --> 01:24:51.586 [SPEAKER_01]: you can see in the buff panels how realizes he will die if he doesn't complete the both in time. 01:24:52.067 --> 01:24:56.651 [SPEAKER_01]: Luckily he is safe, he is then able to complete the oath on the ground and charges ring. 01:24:59.033 --> 01:25:01.335 [SPEAKER_03]: So, where are you going? 01:25:01.375 --> 01:25:02.696 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think you want to add to that? 01:25:09.180 --> 01:25:13.221 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, the more you use it, the faster the pleats method. 01:25:13.761 --> 01:25:14.281 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 01:25:14.341 --> 01:25:15.342 [SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense. 01:25:17.582 --> 01:25:33.626 [SPEAKER_03]: And the bigger construct the more, yeah, there's like a relative, if you run it at high, if you do make a really big bubble or you're blasting away with it, the higher output, the more it pleats. 01:25:34.368 --> 01:25:41.631 [SPEAKER_03]: But as he says, you know, it's the writer in that particular comic at that time can make up some rules that they want to do. 01:25:41.651 --> 01:25:45.453 [SPEAKER_03]: So the show obviously has a thought about the mechanics of that at some point. 01:25:45.873 --> 01:25:51.155 [SPEAKER_03]: And without those rules, then everything becomes everything and then it becomes nothing and it's all giant mush. 01:25:51.436 --> 01:25:56.458 [SPEAKER_03]: So make some rules stick to them and then that's that's how you make something successful. 01:25:58.470 --> 01:26:07.417 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you want to read this, so we've got two more bits from Connor the core and house that coming to fear is that stuff you want to get into. 01:26:07.877 --> 01:26:09.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this do, um, 01:26:10.803 --> 01:26:11.883 [SPEAKER_01]: succumb into fear. 01:26:12.304 --> 01:26:19.186 [SPEAKER_01]: In the comics, how succumb's to fear when his city is destroyed, he loses everything and everyone he knows and loves. 01:26:19.626 --> 01:26:23.348 [SPEAKER_01]: This causes them to go crazy and become the villain known as Paralax. 01:26:23.828 --> 01:26:28.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually how it gets redeemed and we learn Paralax was a parasite that infected him. 01:26:28.910 --> 01:26:36.076 [SPEAKER_01]: I bring this up to say, has this coming to fear is not a new thing, and dare I say, it's integral to who he is in the modern era. 01:26:36.496 --> 01:26:49.147 [SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder if we get a mini version of this story with Hal in the show, perhaps in season two, since so many fans love Cal Chandler, or perhaps Hal is brought back down the line in a small one-off row. 01:26:49.547 --> 01:26:51.409 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I want to mention it. 01:26:52.329 --> 01:26:54.091 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is where we're going. 01:26:55.219 --> 01:26:56.239 [SPEAKER_01]: that that's okay. 01:26:57.160 --> 01:27:19.509 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that with this too much for me this this entire season has been too much about house fear for if there is a season two that it won't some not guaranteed right this we could be we have no idea we can walk in this is the end yeah right so if there would be a season two I think 01:27:26.255 --> 01:27:27.155 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, I think that's it. 01:27:27.876 --> 01:27:28.996 [SPEAKER_03]: He goes through an wrap up. 01:27:29.236 --> 01:27:33.538 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a fun episode, and 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Each and everyone... 01:27:47.504 --> 01:27:48.504 [SPEAKER_01]: So sad. 01:27:49.625 --> 01:27:50.485 [SPEAKER_01]: Episode 7. 01:27:51.185 --> 01:27:52.326 [SPEAKER_01]: What did this season go? 01:27:52.406 --> 01:27:52.626 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 01:27:53.882 --> 01:27:55.102 [SPEAKER_03]: to more episodes. 01:27:55.182 --> 01:27:55.803 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 01:27:56.103 --> 01:27:59.263 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be down in your neck of the woods next week, Joan. 01:27:59.664 --> 01:28:00.844 [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, yeah, that's right. 01:28:00.864 --> 01:28:01.184 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 01:28:01.204 --> 01:28:01.564 [SPEAKER_03]: That's right. 01:28:02.164 --> 01:28:03.745 [SPEAKER_03]: Our families are actually going to see each other. 01:28:03.765 --> 01:28:06.025 [SPEAKER_03]: I think not, but not before. 01:28:06.065 --> 01:28:07.586 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get together before. 01:28:07.626 --> 01:28:12.947 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so and then we're not, we're not set up to do in-person recording. 01:28:13.267 --> 01:28:15.768 [SPEAKER_03]: You need different kind of equipment and different kind of setup for that. 01:28:15.788 --> 01:28:16.868 [SPEAKER_03]: But we will be in the same 01:28:17.663 --> 01:28:19.364 [SPEAKER_03]: geographical time zone. 01:28:19.484 --> 01:28:20.925 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're insane. 01:28:21.045 --> 01:28:22.506 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll be the same. 01:28:22.626 --> 01:28:25.448 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and we'll be recording that. 01:28:25.528 --> 01:28:35.593 [SPEAKER_03]: So depending on scheduling and life and how things work out, just be prepared in case there's a little bit of a delay next week. 01:28:36.234 --> 01:28:38.855 [SPEAKER_03]: Just as we're we're juggling things, especially if it's a 01:28:44.029 --> 01:28:45.790 [SPEAKER_03]: but we'll just give a warning for that. 01:28:47.151 --> 01:28:51.193 [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, really looking forward to bringing this one home. 01:28:51.834 --> 01:29:08.764 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 01:29:09.823 --> 01:29:24.832 [SPEAKER_01]: Really like the body horror in this film is are you down for that stuff or is that you're I mean I have to watch it so okay It's gonna be crazy right on 01:29:26.138 --> 01:29:26.418 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 01:29:26.759 --> 01:29:35.228 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're going to bypass the actual specific shoutouts to the community volunteers, the Discord server boosters and the lawmakers. 01:29:35.248 --> 01:29:36.168 [SPEAKER_03]: Y'all know who you are. 01:29:36.189 --> 01:29:37.129 [SPEAKER_03]: We thank you a lot. 01:29:37.830 --> 01:29:40.873 [SPEAKER_03]: I just got to save my voice and I'm going to save my brain because I'm cooked right now. 01:29:41.614 --> 01:29:47.200 [SPEAKER_03]: And we love you all and we appreciate it and peace be seeing you on the next episode. 01:29:47.320 --> 01:29:49.023 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening to the lorehounds. 01:29:49.223 --> 01:29:58.418 [SPEAKER_00]: Please send any questions or feedback to lorehounds of the lorehounds.com or DCU at the lorehounds.com and check out our supercast and patreon feeds for ad free access and bonus episodes. 01:29:58.638 --> 01:30:02.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Look for all those links including links to all the other podcasts in our network in the link to the show notes. 01:30:03.486 --> 01:30:08.634 [SPEAKER_00]: Any opinion stated at our ours personally and do not reflect the opinion of or belong to any employers or other entities.