WEBVTT 00:00.232 --> 00:01.516 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 00:13.172 --> 00:25.100 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back to another episode of Friends From Work of Podcast about all things in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and it's hosted by myself Kyle Sconawell in my long time friend from work, Robbie Earl, Robbie. 00:25.340 --> 00:29.002 [SPEAKER_00]: I watched Deadpool and Wolverine and the Marvels now. 00:29.102 --> 00:29.643 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 00:29.683 --> 00:29.983 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 00:30.583 --> 00:34.766 [SPEAKER_00]: So I am up to the guardians of the galaxy holiday special. 00:36.247 --> 00:37.288 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like the Marvels. 00:38.279 --> 00:40.660 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is I know I'm crazy in the minority. 00:40.800 --> 00:41.661 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just learning. 00:41.781 --> 00:51.586 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little more of the guy that on these kinds of rewatch evenings with my wife and I it's just kind of fun to have a lighthearted movie on for me. 00:52.167 --> 00:55.669 [SPEAKER_00]: There are definitely scenes in that movie that are undercooked. 00:56.429 --> 01:12.856 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you really bothers me that they leave a madness so suddenly and then they're stunned for like literally 30 seconds in the field and then they hug and they're like oh we're actually all good and I'm like wait a second did you just leave that planet to die and like you brought the fight there kind of thing? 01:13.897 --> 01:15.778 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't love that at the very end. 01:16.378 --> 01:22.221 [SPEAKER_00]: Carol can just fly into the sun anyways feels like maybe we should have started with that and prevented a lot of 01:23.041 --> 01:24.862 [SPEAKER_00]: this stuff that happened along the way. 01:25.483 --> 01:27.945 [SPEAKER_00]: However, it's fun to me. 01:28.105 --> 01:28.645 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny. 01:28.845 --> 01:33.589 [SPEAKER_00]: There are certain visuals that look pretty cool, like very spacey, star-warzy. 01:34.149 --> 01:38.973 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's by far the best that Laura Cartman has done. 01:39.653 --> 01:41.835 [SPEAKER_00]: I am so thankful she's a friend of the show. 01:43.052 --> 01:44.553 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, she's not my favorite composer. 01:44.813 --> 01:46.995 [SPEAKER_00]: She hasn't done a lot of super memorable stuff for me. 01:47.015 --> 01:47.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 01:48.176 --> 01:49.357 [SPEAKER_00]: I do really love this though. 01:49.957 --> 01:51.178 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I will say Miss Marvel. 01:51.198 --> 01:52.559 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's not my favorite listen. 01:52.580 --> 01:53.720 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've seen you in a bright go back. 01:53.740 --> 01:54.801 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like what she did there. 01:54.821 --> 01:55.061 [SPEAKER_00]: I just like. 01:55.081 --> 02:03.488 [SPEAKER_01]: Tantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantantant 02:03.888 --> 02:18.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the what if stuff the brave new world stuff doesn't hit for me as much, but I thought Miss Marvel is is maybe still my favorite I like how she kind of does a little bit of the hip-hop thing Also her American fiction score was pretty great. 02:19.117 --> 02:27.541 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you said that to me when Miss Marvel was coming out too Um, and then Deadpool and Wolverine didn't age as well for me. 02:27.781 --> 02:28.842 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that real. 02:28.962 --> 02:30.423 [SPEAKER_00]: It's look it's not a bad movie 02:31.647 --> 02:36.799 [SPEAKER_00]: I just realized this isn't really my thing and we talked about that a little bit during the the episode 02:38.378 --> 02:47.542 [SPEAKER_00]: I think some of the things we talked about during the initial reactions really stuck out even more on the second watch, I get it, this is some people's humor, it really isn't my humor. 02:48.063 --> 02:59.108 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember talking about being a volume shooter, I included it on my funniest movies in the MCU because there are so many jokes, it's only batting like 15% to me. 02:59.908 --> 03:04.530 [SPEAKER_00]: But because of that, I do laugh out loud, like 12 to 15 times in the movie. 03:05.271 --> 03:05.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 03:07.117 --> 03:11.458 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little too red bull, but 17 year old red bull for me. 03:12.458 --> 03:14.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I think that's, I mean, I think that that's deadpool. 03:15.438 --> 03:15.939 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure. 03:16.519 --> 03:21.560 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's less than that than the solo deadpool movies. 03:22.120 --> 03:25.180 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's got more Marvel Studios flavor to it. 03:26.460 --> 03:31.041 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think I have been looking forward to rewatching it. 03:31.401 --> 03:34.782 [SPEAKER_01]: The last time I watched it, I had a great time. 03:36.323 --> 03:44.607 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think I think that tracks that you would. 03:45.067 --> 03:46.488 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so you came away. 03:47.649 --> 03:50.250 [SPEAKER_01]: You were not saying the Marvels is better than that. 03:50.530 --> 03:56.013 [SPEAKER_01]: But you came away with, would you say a more positive rewatch experience of the Marvels than Deadpool and Wolverine? 03:56.313 --> 04:03.057 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have a master list going of my preferences and Deadpool and Wolverine went down a few spots and 04:07.419 --> 04:34.354 [SPEAKER_01]: 20th to 30th or something yeah, we're not talking I think what I like about Deadpool and Wolverine it's it's similar in some ways to like the what I said about fantastic for where I don't I don't I don't really know how you do a 04:37.000 --> 04:46.430 [SPEAKER_01]: a better, kind of lead Kirby era, fantastic for adaptation, then what we got, in term, I mean, they adapt the most famous story. 04:46.470 --> 04:57.060 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they do it in a way that feels very, very much respectful of the source material, but also not slavishly. 04:57.200 --> 04:59.682 [SPEAKER_01]: So when we talked about all that, uh, 05:00.405 --> 05:27.763 [SPEAKER_01]: this is obviously way different than that it's not doing something that is attached to kind of any any one story and it's not like it's all multiversal and there are a bunch of cameos and all the stuff so I think it's easy to look at Deadpool Wolverine as very much you know what Scorsese has derided the MCU for being like the rollercoaster ride over the movie. 05:29.038 --> 05:39.448 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think whenever I watch that, I'm just thinking, like, what would I want if someone said, hey, here is a Deadpool and Wolverine movie. 05:40.689 --> 05:53.242 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that this is it, whenever I watch it, it's like that's the character dynamic between the two, like the performances from Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds, 05:54.675 --> 06:19.009 [SPEAKER_01]: all of that messes the way I would want and I think even the like the Madonna kind of big one or fight is very like if you think about in my mind like what I would want that to look like on screen like these two characters fighting together with the suits and everything it checks those boxes but that is coming from 06:19.953 --> 06:23.735 [SPEAKER_01]: the, you know, again, the kind of the same comic book nerd in me. 06:23.775 --> 06:31.440 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that loves seeing that stuff in fantastic for, even though it's a obviously very, very different movie tone only. 06:32.141 --> 06:33.181 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 06:33.422 --> 06:33.822 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree. 06:34.222 --> 06:35.903 [SPEAKER_00]: I just a few too many penis jokes. 06:36.203 --> 06:39.105 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, yeah, for me. 06:39.265 --> 06:41.407 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, can there be too many? 06:42.087 --> 06:42.788 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fairly 06:47.794 --> 06:50.116 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there's some news in the MCU today. 06:50.376 --> 06:56.099 [SPEAKER_00]: We got to get to first you texted me that you watched another movie you wanted to bring up You want to do that before. 06:56.219 --> 06:56.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 06:56.900 --> 06:57.440 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know. 06:57.700 --> 06:59.041 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 07:00.082 --> 07:02.363 [SPEAKER_01]: I had been Ready to watch this and man. 07:02.403 --> 07:06.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not going to the theaters nearly as much as I used to these days. 07:06.726 --> 07:08.928 [SPEAKER_01]: So we were like we are spending 07:10.060 --> 07:20.165 [SPEAKER_01]: We're justifying the amount of money it costs to rent things that just come to digital from theaters because we're not going to theaters and spending the money. 07:21.446 --> 07:25.047 [SPEAKER_01]: And we watched the end of Oak Street. 07:26.008 --> 07:27.829 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I really want to see that actually still. 07:28.449 --> 07:29.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I loved it. 07:30.373 --> 07:56.582 [SPEAKER_00]: I loved it got pretty good reviews do you know that there was a weird kind of release around this that somewhere in one of the trailers I believe they used AI or something or someone called them out for it and so the marketing campaign got super messed up and some people were even boycotting it and so it's weird like the movie like marketing wise got shot down early on and then it actually came out and reviewers were like actually 07:57.322 --> 08:06.196 [SPEAKER_00]: it's kind of really fun and adventurous and different and I like it a lot and so they kind of had to build out of this weird marketing hole which had nothing to do with the movie is my point. 08:06.256 --> 08:10.844 [SPEAKER_00]: So somebody made a weird call there and then the internet got a hold of it and anyways but I wanted to see it still. 08:11.268 --> 08:33.616 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I set some of the folks that I follow let the critics that I find myself aligning with had put out pretty positive reviews, and that was part of the reason I was interested also in Hathaway, just having a wild year, but I thought like a couple things, I 08:35.822 --> 08:47.407 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I really liked chicken nose thinking about how on it, like Tom Holland and Zade, we talked about them, but they're kind of in, like Zade is in three, you know, similar genre movies. 08:47.427 --> 08:48.687 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just processing what you said. 08:49.908 --> 08:50.668 [SPEAKER_00]: And athlete was in, 08:51.782 --> 09:01.846 [SPEAKER_01]: the Odyssey devil wears prada and end of oak tree and mother Mary, which is a kind of like indie thriller like David Lauery movie. 09:01.866 --> 09:04.047 [SPEAKER_00]: So four very different movies. 09:04.247 --> 09:04.667 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 09:04.727 --> 09:04.947 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:05.387 --> 09:05.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. 09:05.608 --> 09:07.889 [SPEAKER_00]: But he liked you, you know, he did the score. 09:08.509 --> 09:08.849 [SPEAKER_01]: He did. 09:08.909 --> 09:09.129 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:09.249 --> 09:10.810 [SPEAKER_01]: And man, it was so interesting. 09:13.071 --> 09:23.877 [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard from a few people since we talked about disclosure day that have reached out saying that that they quite like disclosure day, thank you very much and good for them. 09:24.397 --> 09:40.025 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but it's funny because we had watched that and then this next week we watched into Vogue Street and it felt like exactly the movie as a whole. 09:43.378 --> 09:46.160 [SPEAKER_01]: from the nineties, but not in like, uh, what is that Spielberg? 09:47.901 --> 09:48.222 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I miss that? 09:48.242 --> 10:03.092 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 10:04.053 --> 10:30.843 [SPEAKER_01]: kids like some teens involved you have some like a little bit of the kind of wonder stuff but it's pretty dark and then a little horror ish yeah like I thought like the dinosaurs were able to remind me of Jurassic Park and that like in that movie the T-Rex is kind of legitimately scary yeah all for sure when you're when you're 14 and watching it it's terrifying yeah like the raptors like that he's using them to be like either there's like a suspense around it and 10:34.057 --> 10:45.232 [SPEAKER_01]: I had seen dinosaurs in a while, it felt in so many ways like what I kept thinking the Jurassic World franchise was going to be, and it never really delivered on that. 10:46.474 --> 10:47.935 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was really fun in that way. 10:48.415 --> 11:09.608 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the score, it reminded me of our conversation about John Williams in Disco's your day, because it felt like Jekino really nailed this, like the classic Jurassic Park vibe, without it sounding like he was even revisiting the stuff he did on the Jurassic World front. 11:11.029 --> 11:12.911 [SPEAKER_01]: and I thought the visuals were really cool. 11:13.071 --> 11:18.395 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought everything looked great and I was just super invested the whole time. 11:18.415 --> 11:21.917 [SPEAKER_01]: I never really knew exactly what was going on. 11:22.958 --> 11:24.119 [SPEAKER_01]: Or what was going to happen next. 11:24.980 --> 11:32.966 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was just a fun like a delightfully surprising Friday night watch. 11:33.526 --> 11:34.147 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so fun. 11:34.587 --> 11:35.367 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to see it. 11:36.148 --> 11:36.588 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to see it. 11:37.169 --> 11:37.889 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you and Anna go 11:40.258 --> 11:52.149 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, in regards to the MCU a few things, one, tomorrow night, if you're listening to this, it's probably tonight, Avengers Endgame, on-core, officially in theaters. 11:52.329 --> 11:52.990 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:53.350 --> 11:56.813 [SPEAKER_00]: My wife and I do have tickets for Friday night. 11:57.434 --> 12:01.718 [SPEAKER_00]: So, friends from work will be discussing this next week, certainly. 12:03.159 --> 12:04.180 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying a good weekend. 12:05.223 --> 12:07.024 [SPEAKER_00]: the movie, which is one of the greatest movies ever made. 12:07.864 --> 12:13.467 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see the new coloring and see the looks a little more vibrant and if that kind of is an improvement. 12:13.847 --> 12:17.048 [SPEAKER_01]: I did look at some of the side by side and it doesn't look like you saw what I talked about. 12:17.268 --> 12:17.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 12:18.529 --> 12:24.812 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks kind of, you know, I don't even know it looks better, but they're definitely combating the gray scale thing, you know. 12:25.650 --> 12:42.485 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy because you don't see it's not like the new coloring looks extreme, but compared to the old, like when you do see the side by side, it is interesting how much you see the kind of cooler color palette. 12:42.505 --> 12:46.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the one that I thought was really striking is the kind of 12:51.008 --> 12:55.613 [SPEAKER_01]: And Thor is like sitting in the chair like eating the ice cream and everyone's kind of lined up. 12:55.893 --> 12:56.134 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 12:56.334 --> 12:57.755 [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw that side by side. 12:57.836 --> 13:00.839 [SPEAKER_01]: And it looks fairly dramatic. 13:01.620 --> 13:02.361 [SPEAKER_01]: But it looks good. 13:02.561 --> 13:04.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it doesn't look oversaturated or anything. 13:04.930 --> 13:17.856 [SPEAKER_00]: which I kind of like that they did and it'll be interesting to see again if that's the version that sticks on Disney plus from now on which is a is how most people are consuming that film I believe but obviously we'll be talking about whatever this new footage is. 13:19.837 --> 13:27.080 [SPEAKER_00]: I am fascinated to see Robbie if it's is it like part of a trailer? 13:27.998 --> 13:29.199 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's what I don't understand. 13:29.719 --> 13:36.401 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also this infinity vision thing, which is Disney's way around the IMAX thing and you know, certifying their theaters. 13:36.421 --> 13:44.725 [SPEAKER_00]: But I've heard rumors that a standard screening and an infinity screening have different parts to it, is that true or not? 13:45.745 --> 13:49.327 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's even more footage if you go to the infinity one. 13:50.067 --> 13:52.248 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what Greg. 13:53.398 --> 14:02.021 [SPEAKER_01]: told me the other day, I asked him what he was hearing and what he was thinking in terms of the format. 14:03.161 --> 14:08.303 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said his prediction is that there will be 14:10.643 --> 14:18.807 [SPEAKER_01]: the, maybe the same, the same like new footage, either through like a mid or post credit scene or both. 14:19.367 --> 14:23.549 [SPEAKER_01]: But that maybe the infinity vision stuff will also have like a new trailer. 14:25.050 --> 14:27.831 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, that was his, that was his prediction. 14:28.552 --> 14:29.112 [SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, 14:29.916 --> 14:33.079 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think I'm going to go to infinity vision. 14:33.139 --> 14:34.880 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a theater bias that has it. 14:35.161 --> 14:35.541 [SPEAKER_00]: One of them. 14:35.661 --> 14:35.901 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not. 14:35.961 --> 14:36.141 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not. 14:36.262 --> 14:36.582 [SPEAKER_00]: Operate. 14:37.443 --> 14:39.885 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so I'm going to go just just in case. 14:40.445 --> 14:41.486 [SPEAKER_00]: In case it's that thing new. 14:42.927 --> 14:44.909 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know if we've talked about that a ton here. 14:46.350 --> 14:48.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that infinity vision is is. 14:49.643 --> 14:55.432 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's not, I'm actually right, it is like it's lit, I think it's literally nothing Robbie. 14:56.013 --> 15:01.122 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it is them saying the audio and the visual meet our standards. 15:01.627 --> 15:03.008 [SPEAKER_01]: So it could be like anything. 15:03.388 --> 15:04.970 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like like a dolebee. 15:05.350 --> 15:05.770 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 15:05.810 --> 15:06.291 [SPEAKER_01]: Type thing. 15:06.471 --> 15:06.671 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 15:07.071 --> 15:10.233 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if it is as good as like RPX for real. 15:10.253 --> 15:10.434 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 15:11.414 --> 15:16.918 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I think you can go to like I'm I'm going to hooky Nashville, which is that new theater I told you about where you can like order food. 15:17.599 --> 15:17.999 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. 15:18.560 --> 15:25.305 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably just again, I think it's literally a certification so that people feel good about it's not an IMAX. 15:25.825 --> 15:30.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wonder if Almo has gotten the infinity vision certification. 15:31.543 --> 15:37.984 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, I am intrigued to see, is it footage that is inserted into the film? 15:38.925 --> 15:40.405 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it more of a post-cred scene? 15:40.705 --> 15:47.906 [SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason, I just have this feeling that if it's a post-cred it's seen, it's going to be the Steve Rogers house stuff. 15:48.267 --> 15:54.768 [SPEAKER_00]: Like an extended version of that first teaser, we saw, or a scene from Doomsday. 15:55.937 --> 16:05.960 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that takes that picks up in his house and let me show up maybe or something, but I don't I mean, I can't imagine they're doing anything absurd, you know, in three minutes. 16:06.560 --> 16:15.822 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is totally like I'm just going to enjoy a game again, you know, is that, do we, is that what we know that it's three minutes of additional footage. 16:16.003 --> 16:19.283 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's only like I want to say three to six minutes. 16:19.563 --> 16:20.984 [SPEAKER_00]: I think somewhere in there. 16:22.004 --> 16:44.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I wonder if the six side includes a trailer if Greg is correct, you know, I I was thinking about this and I I my hope there's sort of a spectrum I guess like on the one hand you have just a straight up new stinger like a whole new scene 16:45.887 --> 16:52.409 [SPEAKER_01]: that would be unique to endgame and not just to scene from, uh, doomsday. 16:53.110 --> 16:53.310 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 16:53.970 --> 17:04.554 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I agree on the other end of the spectrum, it's like what what we got at no way home, where it's just this, like kind of new trailer for multiverse madness. 17:05.899 --> 17:08.640 [SPEAKER_00]: which would still be fun, but way not as cool. 17:08.980 --> 17:09.600 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of a bummer. 17:09.780 --> 17:17.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, only because they've been talking about the new footage stuff has been out there for so long. 17:17.442 --> 17:18.862 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's going back to theaters. 17:19.042 --> 17:22.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, but I bet you're right. 17:23.103 --> 17:25.064 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the easiest thing is, 17:28.190 --> 17:32.034 [SPEAKER_01]: anything in the credits because, you know, famously in game has nothing in the credits. 17:32.074 --> 17:37.319 [SPEAKER_01]: So they could do a mid credits and post credits thing. 17:39.321 --> 17:50.353 [SPEAKER_00]: I also wonder if, um, remember those original doomsday teasers that had Steve at his house, right in the most likely had Thor, I've heard rumors that those aren't even shots from the movie. 17:50.955 --> 17:52.415 [SPEAKER_00]: that those aren't even in Doomsday. 17:53.316 --> 17:55.577 [SPEAKER_00]: They were shot specifically as teasers. 17:56.077 --> 17:58.397 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why I think it's something like that. 17:58.537 --> 18:12.202 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not in Doomsday, but in an extended version of one of those sequences or something, not all of it makes a ton of sense because if you dropped Thor and his daughter in the movie, not enough time is passed and send game. 18:12.222 --> 18:15.263 [SPEAKER_00]: So you would need like a flash forward a few years. 18:16.098 --> 18:16.859 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true. 18:16.879 --> 18:17.559 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? 18:18.840 --> 18:25.023 [SPEAKER_00]: So is it that or is it a look at Steve's journey actually while time traveling? 18:25.043 --> 18:30.907 [SPEAKER_00]: And that would be probably my favorite version is that like he hits a snag and that's how it ends or something. 18:31.107 --> 18:31.627 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 18:32.348 --> 18:32.608 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 18:32.648 --> 18:38.291 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Dr. Doom shows up in the snag because there's not supposed to be two of him or I don't know what something. 18:38.331 --> 18:43.974 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm also curious to see like is this a, 18:47.203 --> 18:59.305 [SPEAKER_01]: it's it's supposed to connect to doomsday, but obviously between in game and doomsday, there's a whole multi-verse saga. 18:59.625 --> 19:00.025 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right. 19:00.105 --> 19:02.006 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of curious like to your point. 19:02.026 --> 19:07.787 [SPEAKER_01]: You would have to fast forward if you if you did like a Thor thing or even like a what kind of for everything, right? 19:07.827 --> 19:09.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's why I think it's a 19:17.247 --> 19:26.866 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are watching in-game, it would make sense to see that then, and then, yeah, watch the whole multiverse saga and then get to doomsday, or I wonder if it is some kind of... 19:27.999 --> 19:31.740 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's I think it's post credit if it's Steve time traveling it's post credit. 19:31.760 --> 19:39.242 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they'll drop it into that quick moment where he's because you kind of ruin the powerfulness of always back already and he's all right. 19:39.862 --> 19:40.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 19:40.802 --> 19:49.224 [SPEAKER_00]: But if post credit you're like it picks up with him going to you know into the quantum realm thing and then all of a sudden you know you see a flash of everywhere he goes or something. 19:51.825 --> 19:53.325 [SPEAKER_00]: I got you had to be careful with this stuff a little 19:58.138 --> 20:02.422 [SPEAKER_00]: Talked a really big game and have it really not be much of anything. 20:03.603 --> 20:05.164 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually think of Deadpool and Wolverine. 20:05.384 --> 20:15.353 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be the most foundational movie you have to see it while watching in the last time, like really, because I guess because Hunter B15 is in it, you have to see it. 20:15.453 --> 20:17.234 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's there's not a lot of connectivity. 20:17.254 --> 20:20.797 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even like the normal TVA, you know, it's anyway. 20:20.817 --> 20:24.180 [SPEAKER_00]: So just be careful a little bit with what they have to say to show tickets. 20:24.841 --> 20:25.982 [SPEAKER_00]: But it'll be fun either way. 20:26.422 --> 20:35.730 [SPEAKER_01]: do do we know whether it is it's newly shot like if it's all newly shot footage versus stuff that already existed? 20:36.351 --> 20:39.574 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything. 20:39.594 --> 20:49.683 [SPEAKER_01]: I am curious I think you're right the we shouldn't get our hopes up because I think that it's easy to let that 20:51.231 --> 20:59.879 [SPEAKER_01]: Blake to get them to high and then it's ultimately there's not that much that they can do, but I do think it's fun to it's a fun way to revisit it. 21:00.279 --> 21:02.401 [SPEAKER_01]: And I did my last thing there. 21:02.501 --> 21:15.093 [SPEAKER_01]: I was reading an interview with with the writers of Secret Wars and I think maybe McKinnon summers. 21:16.542 --> 21:17.982 [SPEAKER_00]: So five writers in the movie. 21:18.022 --> 21:18.343 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 21:18.523 --> 21:20.483 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Waldron is in that too. 21:21.303 --> 21:24.104 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was getting me excited. 21:24.124 --> 21:25.265 [SPEAKER_01]: They were talking about Doomsday. 21:25.565 --> 21:35.948 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you saw some of these quotes, but they were saying that McPhilly specifically had some, like, 21:36.895 --> 21:49.642 [SPEAKER_01]: big ideas, both from kind of a blockbuster, like really fun mashup type things, but that there was one specific idea that kind of unlocked it, and that it was actually a lot more of a... 21:50.550 --> 21:58.032 [SPEAKER_01]: like an emotional thing than it was like a spectacle thing, and that it had become kind of a lunch pen. 21:58.892 --> 22:00.512 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was worth it for us. 22:01.672 --> 22:02.012 [SPEAKER_01]: What's that? 22:02.152 --> 22:03.933 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a nice little buzzword for us, you know? 22:04.433 --> 22:05.273 [SPEAKER_00]: More of a buzzword for us. 22:05.293 --> 22:18.496 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I do wonder if that's the case if there is, if there's something on the Steve side that says that up, to your point. 22:19.932 --> 22:22.837 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we'll be right back with some Marvel television news. 22:37.642 --> 22:38.863 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[SPEAKER_00]: You can also check out friends from work plus and subscribe to that and check out that episode wherever you get your podcasts. 23:19.007 --> 23:22.629 [SPEAKER_00]: Robbie, um, some some interesting news here. 23:22.769 --> 23:31.373 [SPEAKER_00]: I have really complicated feelings on what I'm about to share, but it's official that Marvel is going to end the born again 23:36.058 --> 23:42.920 [SPEAKER_00]: The first thing I didn't love is I don't love the click baiti titles of Marvel cancels Daredevil because that's not to me. 23:42.940 --> 23:47.482 [SPEAKER_00]: That sounds really happening if you have a full year before the next season and they're still putting it out. 23:47.702 --> 24:00.246 [SPEAKER_00]: They're still making it to me three seasons six seasons total is a very normal length of a show and yeah there's a part of so there's a part of me that's 24:01.179 --> 24:02.239 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess let me say this too. 24:02.680 --> 24:10.503 [SPEAKER_00]: The weird part for me is that Dario is exiting the show now, during post production. 24:11.763 --> 24:14.344 [SPEAKER_00]: So he was like let go, essentially. 24:14.545 --> 24:14.825 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:14.845 --> 24:15.525 [SPEAKER_00]: Is my understanding. 24:16.703 --> 24:20.905 [SPEAKER_00]: And for those of you who don't know, he was the show runner of born again season two. 24:21.466 --> 24:26.768 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think he kind of jumped in halfway through that reboot of season one. 24:27.089 --> 24:29.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when they had to kind of rebuild what they wanted to be. 24:29.870 --> 24:33.292 [SPEAKER_00]: He came in and I don't know what ton of about him. 24:33.392 --> 24:36.313 [SPEAKER_00]: I just know that he is tied to the original Netflix shows. 24:36.414 --> 24:37.794 [SPEAKER_00]: Not as much the original Daredevil. 24:37.814 --> 24:39.495 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he did the original Punisher. 24:39.955 --> 24:40.696 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure. 24:41.819 --> 24:49.003 [SPEAKER_00]: And when he was brought on board, I remember a lot of people were excited, a lot of Netflix fans were excited. 24:49.023 --> 24:50.584 [SPEAKER_00]: That it was going to be continuing that trend. 24:51.765 --> 24:53.946 [SPEAKER_00]: But why do you let him go during post-production? 24:54.626 --> 24:58.608 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, so I'm not starting this rumor, something could have gone wrong off-screen. 24:58.949 --> 24:59.429 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that. 24:59.729 --> 25:00.589 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think something did. 25:00.669 --> 25:04.472 [SPEAKER_00]: But maybe, like, it got combative, or he doesn't get along with people, whatever. 25:04.512 --> 25:04.952 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's that. 25:06.072 --> 25:07.413 [SPEAKER_00]: It may be nothing off-screen. 25:10.835 --> 25:12.156 [SPEAKER_00]: like someone else to wrap it up. 25:12.376 --> 25:13.696 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even like a bad thing. 25:13.796 --> 25:17.358 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like he's going on to another project, but because they know it's done anyways. 25:17.918 --> 25:18.398 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:18.538 --> 25:21.899 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is it some version of creative differences? 25:22.580 --> 25:25.921 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do wonder if again, these are all just totally rumors. 25:25.961 --> 25:27.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, I'm not reporting news. 25:28.002 --> 25:29.943 [SPEAKER_00]: I do wonder if there was ever a 25:31.143 --> 25:34.786 [SPEAKER_00]: a push-and-pull between, you know, and we talk about this. 25:35.086 --> 25:39.850 [SPEAKER_00]: How much it's kind of Disney-fied, and how much it's got a Netflix-of-I. 25:39.870 --> 25:54.282 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it seems like he really wanted to, like, there was rumors of him bringing back Luke Cage, and bringing in iron fist, and a lecture has reportedly filming during season three, and I'm not saying this is it, but I could also see a world where Disney's like, look, 25:54.842 --> 26:09.037 [SPEAKER_00]: We're leaning into like Spider-Man and Hulk and Frank is now in Spider-Man world like we want Daredevil to start transitioning in towards that world like more with Hulk more with She-Hulk more kind of you know maybe solving more cases again. 26:11.179 --> 26:12.861 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that. 26:12.881 --> 26:16.084 [SPEAKER_00]: I personally have really mixed feelings about this because 26:17.544 --> 26:21.966 [SPEAKER_00]: One, I love the Netflix shows and I really enjoyed born against he's in one and two. 26:22.006 --> 26:24.106 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought season two was even better than season one. 26:24.506 --> 26:27.287 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I'm in it, I'm all in it. 26:27.647 --> 26:33.929 [SPEAKER_00]: But as I've said so many times in this podcast, when I'm not in it, it's not a show I really miss or crave anymore. 26:34.329 --> 26:37.210 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a weird mindset for me to get into. 26:37.710 --> 26:43.132 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do wonder if that in general is the consensus on Disney+. 26:46.373 --> 26:48.455 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like that show flies under the radar. 26:49.676 --> 26:52.839 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't feel like it's Disney Plus's biggest tent pole. 26:53.259 --> 27:00.626 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, yeah, like I've quality aside, I guess I thought there'd be more people in my life talking about it and there just wasn't. 27:01.126 --> 27:02.888 [SPEAKER_00]: And there wasn't really during season two. 27:04.509 --> 27:09.573 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the viewership numbers are unbelievably large and we talked about how creatively 27:10.414 --> 27:12.035 [SPEAKER_00]: Where else do you go with Kingpin? 27:12.535 --> 27:16.157 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's been five years now of kind of this tension between the two. 27:16.777 --> 27:22.500 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't kind of introduce a new villain or move math you into a different world, how much more can we do? 27:22.980 --> 27:25.341 [SPEAKER_00]: So all that to say, I really liked the show. 27:25.961 --> 27:27.362 [SPEAKER_00]: I liked the original, I liked the new one. 27:28.102 --> 27:35.646 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm okay that they're ending it after three seasons because it just doesn't feel like there's a ton of juice there anymore. 27:37.860 --> 27:44.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I agree with you on really all those fronts. 27:44.183 --> 27:51.027 [SPEAKER_01]: One, yeah, it's funny because no one was using the word canceled when Loki only had two seasons. 27:51.307 --> 27:51.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 27:51.587 --> 27:51.787 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 27:52.948 --> 28:00.672 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that show is structured in such a way where the two seasons actually work really well together. 28:00.712 --> 28:01.832 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a loop. 28:08.401 --> 28:12.063 [SPEAKER_01]: like for that a season three would really have to justify its existence. 28:12.944 --> 28:19.488 [SPEAKER_01]: I think for Daredevil, I really loved both seasons season two even more than season one. 28:20.208 --> 28:30.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that they ended season two in a really interesting way putting him in prison and I think it'll be fun to see what they do with that. 28:30.835 --> 28:33.637 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that that still works with the pacing of Daredevil. 28:36.751 --> 28:42.995 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know how much more they have to cover, because I mean, those Netflix seasons were so long. 28:43.515 --> 28:43.895 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 28:44.035 --> 28:57.103 [SPEAKER_01]: And they covered several subplots, and they did the electro stuff there, and then they did the defenders, where they leaned into that side of it, and Daredevil was a big focal point of that. 28:58.364 --> 28:58.944 [SPEAKER_00]: The hand. 28:58.984 --> 28:59.324 [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah. 28:59.404 --> 29:01.225 [SPEAKER_00]: Frank Bulls Eye. 29:01.706 --> 29:01.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 29:03.285 --> 29:11.889 [SPEAKER_01]: and you know a lot of the stuff that I think I was upset about not seeing more of when season when the Netflix show was canceled. 29:12.970 --> 29:22.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we have now seen like I thought that the way that they had set up Bulls Eye was really fun and that's why I was bummed when it seemed like we would never get any more of that. 29:23.034 --> 29:25.876 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we have gotten the Wilson Bethel Bulls Eye and it's awesome. 29:26.482 --> 29:29.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I not know it's important for people to know. 29:29.204 --> 29:55.045 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're canceling the character of Daredevil or Yeah, yeah, so there's even rumors that Again rumors rumors rumors that bulls I could join the Thunderbolts the new Avengers or like work for higher for Val or something So which you're going to absolutely see Charlie Cox's Daredevil again on it versus yeah Yeah, I mean because he's he's in a Your friendly neighborhood spider man season two again. 29:55.086 --> 29:55.346 [SPEAKER_01]: I think 29:56.160 --> 30:17.319 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but even though live actually, you're going to say, yeah, almost sadly, I think I texted you and Pete this, I just think it's telling with stuff like this, like years ago when the Daredevil when Daredevil born a Gamma's first announced, 30:19.199 --> 30:36.514 [SPEAKER_01]: and even before that, after no way home and Hawkeye and everything, when that part of the universe was starting to get integrated, there were all these conversations about, oh, you know, well, Disney's just never going to be able to do it as well as Netflix and they're too afraid to lean into what people loved about the Netflix stuff. 30:37.135 --> 30:43.560 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, as though the Netflix stuff was just unimpeachably incredible across the board, which is really not the case. 30:43.620 --> 30:45.962 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there are some, like, season three of Daredevil 30:47.248 --> 30:48.129 [SPEAKER_01]: is a long television. 30:48.149 --> 30:48.870 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about that. 30:49.210 --> 30:49.891 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 30:50.511 --> 30:57.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think most of the other stuff is solid with with moments of being really great. 30:57.818 --> 30:59.820 [SPEAKER_01]: Like season one is generally pretty great. 31:00.521 --> 31:02.643 [SPEAKER_01]: Season two has some really great stuff. 31:02.663 --> 31:04.085 [SPEAKER_00]: And a few moments of being embarrassing. 31:04.697 --> 31:15.065 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure, especially as the other shows went on, most of the second seasons of all of those shows were pretty bad, except for, well, even Daredevil, but it's the weakest season. 31:15.605 --> 31:30.536 [SPEAKER_01]: My point being, it's funny that there was this whole narrative, and then people got so mad with the way a season one was going of born again with it not doing the Netflix stuff, that then you saw the course correction, and I was happy with the course correction because 31:35.336 --> 31:52.870 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it just goes to show that all of the people that were like, if they would just do what we love from the Netflix stuff like that's when we'll we'll show up and but like the MCU will never do it and then they do it and it's great and critics like it and 31:55.370 --> 32:00.294 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a, people aren't really watching it on level that you would expect. 32:00.414 --> 32:05.138 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like, there's no way to say this without it feeling like we're blaming somebody. 32:05.178 --> 32:06.079 [SPEAKER_00]: But that is a little bit high. 32:06.099 --> 32:06.699 [SPEAKER_00]: Feel sometimes. 32:06.799 --> 32:10.582 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, they hired the whole Netflix crew for season two. 32:10.963 --> 32:12.884 [SPEAKER_00]: They brought like the original stunt coordinator. 32:13.204 --> 32:14.225 [SPEAKER_00]: They brought Dario in. 32:14.946 --> 32:16.647 [SPEAKER_00]: And so why don't you watch any guys? 32:17.168 --> 32:23.513 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, all the people on Twitter that claim, you know, like they basically gave you it, you know, 32:24.428 --> 32:45.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I just think it's it's like what you were talking about in your your Star Wars episode a couple of months ago after the Mandalorian movie came out where it's like I just I think it's such a Again, not a mistake because the difference between like Rise of Skywalker and Daredevil born again as I think Daredevil born again. 32:46.710 --> 32:50.293 [SPEAKER_01]: every for the most part, I think people are happy with the quality of that. 32:50.373 --> 32:54.336 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not that they made a mistake and chase something in one of the bad product. 32:55.057 --> 33:02.403 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think to the extent Marvel is looking at this or Disney's looking at this and thinking, why is this not a bigger hit? 33:02.423 --> 33:05.706 [SPEAKER_01]: Like why isn't this automatically the tent pole for Disney plus? 33:06.706 --> 33:09.048 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it was a tent pole for Netflix early on. 33:09.088 --> 33:13.812 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was like Daredevil and House of Cards and oranges the new black, where the leading Netflix series back in the day. 33:15.279 --> 33:26.722 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think that it is, again, like the online Twitter, like Ecosystem with the stuff is just not representative. 33:26.922 --> 33:37.385 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there is just not the normal viewer is not like, oh man, I just, I really need more iron fist. 33:37.865 --> 33:42.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the thing, or I need to get back to like some of my Jessica Jones defender stuff. 33:43.247 --> 34:10.598 [SPEAKER_01]: or electro foggy even like I just don't know that like I think a lot of people or or but yeah it's just it can get kind of my opic and so I'm curious to see you've been saying that you thought that they would kind of tie that up and then move forward but but they maybe don't have time like I think they already filmed season three and my gut tells me that they went that other direction iron fist, electric, etc. 34:11.784 --> 34:13.065 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, a lecture doesn't even make sense. 34:13.866 --> 34:16.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Spoiler alert, she died, very much died. 34:16.870 --> 34:18.672 [SPEAKER_00]: And then was brought back to life and died again. 34:18.692 --> 34:19.232 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 34:20.234 --> 34:21.255 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, 34:22.874 --> 34:24.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless it's a flashback, because that's what happened in season two. 34:24.955 --> 34:30.696 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a flashback on foggy, because you know, people saw Elton Hanson was on set and they're like, how could that be, you know, it was a flashback. 34:31.297 --> 34:32.597 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe it's something like that. 34:33.117 --> 34:37.718 [SPEAKER_00]: That, again, that's what I want because I said at the end of that finale, I loved it. 34:38.139 --> 34:40.599 [SPEAKER_00]: And now, I'm ready to see Daredevil with Spider-Man. 34:41.520 --> 34:44.160 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready to see Daredevil interacting in the MCU that I know. 34:44.180 --> 34:49.102 [SPEAKER_00]: The Thunderbolts, Elaina, was a, it would be a great team up. 34:49.162 --> 34:49.382 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 34:50.650 --> 34:52.312 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but here's what's interesting. 34:52.332 --> 34:53.933 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's track real quick. 34:54.014 --> 34:57.777 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is why I think the rumors and track in this stuff can sometimes almost be toxic. 34:58.438 --> 35:02.402 [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you, let's go all the way back to they announce one division in Disney Plus. 35:02.502 --> 35:03.483 [SPEAKER_00]: And what that's like. 35:04.184 --> 35:07.608 [SPEAKER_00]: Since that time, we have gone on a roller coaster. 35:07.748 --> 35:08.429 [SPEAKER_00]: We have heard 35:09.560 --> 35:17.468 [SPEAKER_00]: offscreen, I mean, we have heard that, okay, they're going to spray out a bunch of shows, all kinds of shows, okay, including animated stuff. 35:17.488 --> 35:18.469 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to all the animated stuff. 35:18.489 --> 35:19.330 [SPEAKER_00]: What I forgot also. 35:20.071 --> 35:22.473 [SPEAKER_00]: Then we heard, okay, you know what, we got overstretched. 35:22.593 --> 35:23.194 [SPEAKER_00]: It's too much. 35:23.574 --> 35:24.255 [SPEAKER_00]: We're back and off. 35:24.855 --> 35:25.556 [SPEAKER_00]: We're a slowdown. 35:26.237 --> 35:32.223 [SPEAKER_00]: Then we heard we're only actually going to do a serialized show like Daredevil. 35:33.172 --> 35:37.634 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, because that's what we're missing is that the people need the same season every year. 35:38.094 --> 35:40.236 [SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe there's another one that kind of goes in and out. 35:41.116 --> 35:46.499 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you heard, well, actually maybe Marvel's getting rid of television altogether, because the serialized thing hasn't worked. 35:46.879 --> 35:51.101 [SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm hearing rumors that they're currently working on three to five new shows. 35:51.921 --> 36:00.646 [SPEAKER_00]: And next week or two weeks from now, you and I hope to be at New York Comic-Con where Marvel television has a panel, a big panel at two o'clock. 36:01.366 --> 36:10.035 [SPEAKER_00]: So that guy'm thinking, so what are they announcing if they're literally on the heels of kind of quote-unquote ending or canceling their devil, there's nothing else on the docket. 36:10.115 --> 36:13.619 [SPEAKER_00]: There's vision quests and then that season of Daredevil and that is it. 36:14.337 --> 36:14.537 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:15.098 --> 36:16.399 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm also not hearing rumors. 36:16.419 --> 36:16.919 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not true. 36:16.939 --> 36:18.160 [SPEAKER_00]: They're actually doing five shows. 36:18.620 --> 36:19.761 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just been kind of crazy. 36:19.841 --> 36:20.202 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 36:20.422 --> 36:21.523 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what to expect. 36:21.583 --> 36:26.106 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if they know what the marketing plan needs to be also by the way in there mixing in. 36:26.346 --> 36:27.127 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to do big shows. 36:27.147 --> 36:28.848 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to special presentations. 36:29.189 --> 36:32.291 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be like one hour things where you see a little bit as a check in. 36:32.932 --> 36:34.032 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to tie into the movies. 36:34.213 --> 36:36.314 [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, they're not really going to sign in the movies. 36:36.334 --> 36:37.315 [SPEAKER_00]: You can watch me if you want to. 36:37.375 --> 36:37.735 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 36:38.256 --> 36:39.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, here's what I think. 36:40.348 --> 37:01.878 [SPEAKER_00]: And then like wonder man you have right getting all this critical acclaim and then so you do this thing it's totally not tied not homework not serialized it's it's on its own it gets critically praised and you cancel it yeah so it's all yeah it wasn't that either I guess because then so here's my thing here's my thing I 37:03.504 --> 37:04.204 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I was right. 37:04.984 --> 37:06.985 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm so representative of the average fan. 37:07.505 --> 37:11.846 [SPEAKER_00]: I think like I said, they need to screw this idea that the homework is bad. 37:12.306 --> 37:16.847 [SPEAKER_00]: Go back to shows that matter and you don't have to make very many of them. 37:17.047 --> 37:21.228 [SPEAKER_00]: Like one season of one division, I want you to shoot your shot with whatever that is. 37:21.288 --> 37:23.228 [SPEAKER_00]: I heard rumors of a Nova show. 37:23.508 --> 37:27.009 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, then go all out on a one season of a Nova show. 37:27.289 --> 37:29.490 [SPEAKER_00]: And make it tie in and I think that's a good thing. 37:29.870 --> 37:30.710 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't shy away from it. 37:30.790 --> 37:31.570 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good thing. 37:31.810 --> 37:34.792 [SPEAKER_00]: I have friends right now that are going back through everything because it's tied in. 37:36.253 --> 37:41.896 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't tie it in, maybe you get a few viewers, a few casual people that you wouldn't have. 37:42.536 --> 37:46.219 [SPEAKER_00]: But for the most part, when people go back, I think they like that it's connected. 37:47.800 --> 37:55.084 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think I'm okay with them dropping the seasons of things, just give me prestige television shows and I don't need, I don't need sequels. 37:56.967 --> 38:09.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a, man, it's just, it's hard because one division was such a unique thing, both in. 38:11.401 --> 38:18.946 [SPEAKER_01]: the way it was done, the sitcom thing, but also, I mean, Elizabeth Olson and Paul Betney are pretty big stars. 38:19.787 --> 38:28.313 [SPEAKER_01]: And so in the first, the very first shot of that show, you see them, they are very much the center of the whole thing. 38:29.214 --> 38:31.856 [SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like, like, if you turn off 38:35.206 --> 38:40.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this does not feel like we're suddenly relegated to the B team stuff. 38:40.407 --> 38:50.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Like these feel like main characters of these last couple movies that we're following, and it's really, really excellent and exciting and strange and surprising. 38:53.130 --> 38:56.631 [SPEAKER_00]: And Loki's that way too, it's just two seasons worth. 38:56.671 --> 38:57.451 [SPEAKER_00]: But here's my thing. 38:58.431 --> 39:03.273 [SPEAKER_00]: Loki feels like, as you said earlier, the two seasons is how it was made. 39:05.402 --> 39:13.245 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a show you can't really easily stop after one season because of how they end the final season, like that was very intentionally made that there's going to be a follow-up to this. 39:13.285 --> 39:17.027 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way that and that's not like a post credit scene like dangling thread. 39:17.347 --> 39:22.609 [SPEAKER_00]: This is like you change the whole foundation of how we view this stuff, so you have to follow up on it. 39:22.929 --> 39:24.270 [SPEAKER_00]: But the same goes for season two. 39:25.130 --> 39:28.214 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't ever watch season two and think they need a third season. 39:28.794 --> 39:31.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it seems like the story they were trying to tell is 12 episodes. 39:32.318 --> 39:34.721 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what they were trying to show you. 39:34.801 --> 39:36.083 [SPEAKER_00]: They just split it up over a year. 39:36.503 --> 39:37.684 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that also works. 39:38.185 --> 39:42.049 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually think that there's a lot about what the idea of Falcon Winter Soldier. 39:42.930 --> 39:43.631 [SPEAKER_00]: is that works? 39:44.011 --> 39:47.373 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm afraid they took the wrong lesson from that failure. 39:47.893 --> 39:52.036 [SPEAKER_00]: They thought people don't like this because it's starting to feel like homework. 39:52.336 --> 39:53.577 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's the case. 39:53.937 --> 39:55.498 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just it wasn't very well made. 39:56.138 --> 40:00.281 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even know if they view that one as a failure because worth the numbers for fake owner soldier. 40:00.301 --> 40:02.462 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. 40:02.722 --> 40:06.264 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, now granted that was coming off one of the visions so then you also have to wonder how much 40:07.836 --> 40:18.686 [SPEAKER_00]: is like investment or hype building my point is I feel like the shows where they went all out to make sure it wasn't quote unquote homework those are the ones that aren't viewed as well. 40:20.027 --> 40:29.075 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah echo miss marvel like when you when you remove it from it like I think people like like Hawkeye more than miss marvel and that's connected. 40:29.838 --> 40:39.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm in moon night like we've talked about right those are the ones that know like when they shot their shot disconnecting at no homework those are the ones that people aren't talking about now to me. 40:40.027 --> 40:53.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Just just my opinion obviously just your opinion and well any even even wonder man is it's yeah I think it's it's it's tricky because fundamentally 40:54.807 --> 40:56.548 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe this even goes to some of the Daredevil stuff. 40:56.568 --> 41:08.391 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the reasons I like Daredevil born again season two so much is because it felt like the most superheroy of any Daredevil content we've ever gotten. 41:08.611 --> 41:09.031 [SPEAKER_01]: For sure. 41:09.151 --> 41:11.932 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like that because Daredevil is a superhero. 41:12.593 --> 41:19.235 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and I say that to say like, when I go and watch Marvel things, right? 41:19.755 --> 41:23.596 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because I'm in the mood to watch a superhero thing. 41:24.857 --> 41:25.017 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 41:25.037 --> 41:27.779 [SPEAKER_00]: So does that apply to everything in that genre? 41:27.939 --> 41:30.541 [SPEAKER_00]: Like does that apply for you to the Dark Knight or the Penguin? 41:31.941 --> 41:35.003 [SPEAKER_00]: Like do you go to watch the penguin because you're in a superhero mood? 41:36.124 --> 41:37.245 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 41:38.045 --> 41:48.392 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, although part of that is the, uh, I think the difference between the way Marvel has 41:49.525 --> 42:05.456 [SPEAKER_01]: has set itself up over the years, like even though it would weave between various genres, all through the infinity saga, it wasn't that it was formulaic, it was more that it would kind of make you feel a certain way, you know, it has, there is a feel to it for sure. 42:05.477 --> 42:05.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:06.878 --> 42:16.384 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, yeah, so I, I would say like the dark night, a little bit like I, I feel like I'd go to that, like because Nolan has a touch of those sensibilities. 42:19.120 --> 42:38.709 [SPEAKER_01]: The Penguin No, I think the Penguin I view is a separate thing, but I think the problem with Marvel is just, or the problem that Marvel TV is facing is it's cool this idea that we have a big umbrella and we can, we can do anything set within this universe. 42:44.928 --> 42:56.193 [SPEAKER_01]: you can do it in a way that's done so well and it's so creative and it's interesting and it kind of has to be in a superhero universe in that the whole premise is he's kind of trying to hide these superpowers. 42:57.774 --> 43:06.498 [SPEAKER_01]: But I just wonder, like whenever I've tried to pitch that to people, I never quite know, like, 43:08.545 --> 43:12.266 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the people that I think that's going to love a superhero show. 43:12.306 --> 43:19.149 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, I don't know if this is necessarily that, but then if it's people that I think would just love the kind of the great character acting in it. 43:19.949 --> 43:27.831 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, yeah, but I don't like do is that what I go to like a marvel show for like, do I just want kind of like the studio, but in marvel. 43:30.390 --> 43:32.071 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that, by the way, I love Wonderman. 43:32.131 --> 43:32.912 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was incredible. 43:33.232 --> 43:39.877 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it deserved the claim that it got, but I just am not quite, it's sort of a strange marketing thing. 43:40.517 --> 43:40.937 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure. 43:41.198 --> 43:41.758 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're right. 43:41.958 --> 43:47.902 [SPEAKER_00]: On a broader, on a broader picture, I think you're right. 43:48.042 --> 43:55.608 [SPEAKER_00]: The more they try to lean into, this is not a superhero show, it's going to be almost impossible to kind of remove that, not a stain. 43:56.068 --> 43:57.109 [SPEAKER_00]: But for people who don't watch it, 43:58.221 --> 44:13.720 [SPEAKER_00]: You're right, they're always going to seek whatever genre it is, the alternative that's just not superhero at all, like, like, none of it, like why do I need to do that, like even if they make a show like severance, people are going to like, while just watch severance, then not marvel does severance, like even if it's really good and it is the same goodness. 44:14.877 --> 44:24.882 [SPEAKER_00]: Why would they choose that because they're not looking for a connected universe, which is kind of why I think you and I have always been on that other team, which is like you are a superhero property. 44:25.382 --> 44:25.923 [SPEAKER_00]: So right. 44:26.283 --> 44:26.703 [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead. 44:27.263 --> 44:29.944 [SPEAKER_00]: Like give Wolverine the costume like that's okay. 44:30.345 --> 44:32.706 [SPEAKER_00]: We're watching because we're watching a superhero show. 44:34.066 --> 44:36.568 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think I'm mostly with you like I don't I don't mind. 44:37.586 --> 44:44.211 [SPEAKER_00]: if Loki gets really far out with magic in abilities and it's like, yeah, I mean, I realize what it is. 44:44.331 --> 44:45.692 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a god of mischief. 44:45.732 --> 44:46.833 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, I get it. 44:47.734 --> 44:52.457 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's interesting, but that's not everybody for sure. 44:52.897 --> 44:53.618 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 44:53.758 --> 45:00.183 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's if they do it, if they can ever find the right rhythm and, you know, they have one spotlight series, 45:01.906 --> 45:09.290 [SPEAKER_01]: going, you know, a year or something, then I think that that's cool to give them the chance to do that. 45:10.331 --> 45:22.518 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, like you look at the height of the MCU, or qualitatively, like if we look at Infinity War and Endgame, it's like when we had chips that are skiing on, 45:24.320 --> 45:34.247 [SPEAKER_01]: And he talked about how seeing Avengers in-game and seeing all of these characters together and like Spider-Man on Valkyrie's flying horse. 45:35.248 --> 45:42.694 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, this is absolutely nuts that we're seeing this on screen and that it's also good. 45:42.914 --> 45:43.434 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, makes sense. 45:43.454 --> 45:46.436 [SPEAKER_01]: But it becomes the biggest movie of all time. 45:47.697 --> 45:49.639 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, it's not that they weren't, 45:51.833 --> 45:54.939 [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't subverting the genre, you know, lying away from it. 45:55.159 --> 46:01.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they, it was, if anything, going as all in as you possibly, Captain actually says a symbol. 46:02.071 --> 46:05.256 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're all lined up at just how we'd want it, you know? 46:05.802 --> 46:25.667 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like you keep chasing that nostalgia or no, just keep like cranking out the same thing over and over again, but I think one interesting trajectory of the MCU is you start with Iron Man and from there up through endgame, it gets progressively more comfortable with being a comic book franchise. 46:26.427 --> 46:30.528 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it starts out with something where Iron Man is almost 46:36.209 --> 46:51.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Something that like if you don't like superheroes don't worry you you can still like this movie And then they they get a little bit more okay with the campiness and with people wearing bright costumes and then by the end. 46:51.299 --> 46:56.382 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Yeah, this all still fits with the seeds that were planted there. 46:56.402 --> 47:02.907 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the Avengers the first Avengers movie the Josh Sweden was a big step in that you know what we can do this 47:03.923 --> 47:16.247 [SPEAKER_00]: with the Dutch angles and the colorful outfits and Thor talking like he's from a different planet and we can do all this and then it's that successful and that good, it's like, okay, this can work. 47:16.327 --> 47:29.532 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, again, and going back to brand new day, like I think that it's not an accident that that movie is it's more colorful, it's more willing to like you have all the, 47:30.980 --> 47:33.081 [SPEAKER_01]: villain montage stuff like it. 47:34.122 --> 47:34.702 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know. 47:34.842 --> 47:40.224 [SPEAKER_01]: I think when they're looking at shows like I I think you're I think you're right. 47:40.645 --> 47:46.868 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, to to go back to like I think it does need to be connected. 47:46.888 --> 47:50.389 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any all that aside? 47:50.409 --> 47:55.912 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any predictions of what shows you we might see or what would be a fun show? 47:56.572 --> 47:58.093 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was I was about to ask you that. 47:58.757 --> 48:01.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because I, you know, I don't have the comics background. 48:01.058 --> 48:03.479 [SPEAKER_00]: So like a character like Nova, I have literally no idea who that is. 48:03.659 --> 48:06.801 [SPEAKER_00]: So I like, I have no idea if that would work as a show. 48:07.281 --> 48:13.925 [SPEAKER_00]: So my brain always goes to already existing MCUIP, what could be more mind. 48:14.145 --> 48:17.206 [SPEAKER_00]: Like as an example, we haven't seen Shang-Chi in too long. 48:17.346 --> 48:19.387 [SPEAKER_00]: It's now becoming criminally long. 48:19.607 --> 48:20.428 [SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna be in Doomsday. 48:21.048 --> 48:26.731 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying give them a show, but I'm saying like is there some, you know, yeah, like something in there, like could he ever show up and something? 48:26.951 --> 48:29.632 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think what else, where else is there a gap? 48:30.773 --> 48:36.756 [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas you could probably come at it from a comic perspective of like, there's this character that we've never really dealt with yet that works perfectly. 48:36.776 --> 48:43.459 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know, I'm just, I'm just trying to think like, has that ever, 48:44.913 --> 48:50.175 [SPEAKER_01]: has that model ever worked for Marvel, like introducing a new character through a show. 48:50.955 --> 49:11.963 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's part of the problem, is I think that, I mean, unless you have something like, like I think Monica Rainbow is a great example of that happening and I think working well because the show is not really about her, but then it launches that in a way where if you've seen one division, that's enough for you to then watch the Marvels. 49:12.838 --> 49:24.886 [SPEAKER_01]: But even the Nova stuff, I still feel like I would rather it be a movie and apparently it might be. 49:24.926 --> 49:25.847 [SPEAKER_00]: So don't quote me on that. 49:25.927 --> 49:26.547 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know this. 49:26.788 --> 49:30.130 [SPEAKER_00]: It might have, I've heard rumors that it's been changed to a movie, so maybe it is. 49:30.570 --> 49:32.271 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Michael Waldrand's attached to it. 49:32.632 --> 49:34.233 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's writing it or something. 49:34.253 --> 49:35.714 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe it is a movie then, I don't know. 49:36.854 --> 49:39.837 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, I don't, yeah, I don't know. 49:39.857 --> 49:41.378 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of anything to follow up on. 49:42.787 --> 49:44.889 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the second season of Hawkeye could be fun. 49:45.049 --> 49:50.033 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, when Kate Bishop shows up at the end, maybe it's not Clint, maybe it's Kate Bishop. 49:50.213 --> 49:51.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's my answer. 49:51.694 --> 49:53.135 [SPEAKER_00]: I can go for a Kate Bishop led show. 49:53.736 --> 49:55.818 [SPEAKER_00]: Because she shows up at the end of the marbles. 49:55.838 --> 49:56.678 [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot about that. 49:57.039 --> 49:59.321 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so fun to see those two together. 49:59.941 --> 50:00.802 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really funny. 50:01.682 --> 50:07.447 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think, from the MCU, what's the character I really enjoyed that could be a show and not a movie that I haven't seen in a while. 50:07.507 --> 50:08.888 [SPEAKER_00]: That's my, I guess, Kate Bishop. 50:09.108 --> 50:10.850 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me keep thinking right now on this spot. 50:13.723 --> 50:18.106 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, if you don't have anything either, they're now it's in something into weeks. 50:18.126 --> 50:18.766 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know. 50:20.247 --> 50:25.731 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, and I, you know, you keep thinking, and I'll close us on this. 50:25.911 --> 50:26.912 [SPEAKER_00]: You keep thinking. 50:27.432 --> 50:35.738 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, well, no, I was just going to say, I saw some of the rumors around like the Scorpio project, and that is something that has, 50:37.227 --> 50:42.349 [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of, I don't know, confusing roots in the comics because they can mean a couple of different things. 50:42.929 --> 50:46.890 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a world where that ties in some to Nick Fury. 50:47.931 --> 51:05.037 [SPEAKER_01]: And I will say, I still think that there's, there was a missed opportunity, both with secret invasion in its own way, and with agents of shield in another way, where when agents of shield first launched, 51:06.585 --> 51:34.799 [SPEAKER_01]: it was very much tied into the MCU in that right they they had an episode where it's like they they go in basically look at at grounds euro of the the the malloceth battle from the dark world oh let's go and and like it's stuff where it's like here's a movie and then right after that you kind of have the the it's sort of the early look at a damage control type thing where they come in in their investigating and what is this artifact and 51:36.005 --> 51:38.787 [SPEAKER_01]: And then eventually it kind of became its own whole thing. 51:38.847 --> 51:41.948 [SPEAKER_01]: And, but I still think that idea is kind of cool. 51:42.549 --> 51:49.293 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you could have a ground level almost procedural look where it is actively tied into things. 51:50.073 --> 52:02.220 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's something where, like, I think if you got some version of shield again, that would be a, I think like a cool way to tie things back in. 52:04.022 --> 52:06.043 [SPEAKER_01]: to, you could have really cool cameos. 52:06.803 --> 52:14.585 [SPEAKER_01]: If you did something like that with the full, the full might of Marvel Studios behind it, instead of the kind of weird siloed ABC thing. 52:14.965 --> 52:15.205 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 52:16.886 --> 52:17.766 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't know. 52:18.526 --> 52:31.610 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, it's generally kind of tricky for me because I feel like one division, and one division, Loki and Haka, to me, seem like the only ones that have, 52:33.402 --> 52:36.244 [SPEAKER_01]: really taken the baton from the movies. 52:38.106 --> 52:40.428 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I was talking about that with Josh. 52:40.448 --> 52:44.571 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many times the show's reference, so many things from the movies. 52:45.152 --> 52:48.394 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really rare the movies reference the shows. 52:48.734 --> 52:50.155 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something they can fix, I think. 52:50.236 --> 52:52.517 [SPEAKER_00]: I know they're, again, they're trying to avoid the homework thing. 52:52.918 --> 52:53.118 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, 52:54.303 --> 52:56.805 [SPEAKER_00]: New York Comic Con is October. 52:56.886 --> 52:59.488 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say like 789-1011 somewhere in there. 53:01.530 --> 53:03.832 [SPEAKER_00]: Marvel television does have a panel as we said. 53:04.532 --> 53:08.336 [SPEAKER_00]: TVD, I don't hesitate to say this, but I think we're going to be there. 53:09.712 --> 53:13.574 [SPEAKER_00]: If we're there, we'll provide more information because I'd love to say hi to anyone who is there. 53:13.594 --> 53:15.555 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you did that a couple of years ago and that was fun. 53:15.575 --> 53:25.321 [SPEAKER_00]: So like if there are listeners out there that are going to be at New York Comic Con, let's follow each other on social media or hit us up on discord or something and see if we can find a time to say hi. 53:25.341 --> 53:26.501 [SPEAKER_00]: But that should be really fun. 53:26.521 --> 53:33.765 [SPEAKER_00]: And then on top of all this, like I'm actually really stoked about vision quests, which is obviously less than a month away now. 53:34.365 --> 53:34.806 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 53:36.112 --> 53:39.813 [SPEAKER_00]: And so if that is kind of the end of the trilogy, I think it's a good one to end on. 53:40.173 --> 53:41.513 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see where it goes. 53:42.473 --> 53:47.774 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Marvel television kind of up in the air right now, hopefully some clarity in a couple of weeks. 53:47.874 --> 53:55.496 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will say it seems the fact that they are talking about having several things in development is certainly good news. 53:55.616 --> 53:57.976 [SPEAKER_01]: So even if it's up in the air, what that means. 53:58.636 --> 54:00.397 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm ready to be surprised. 54:01.017 --> 54:02.577 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be happy with different things. 54:03.622 --> 54:31.153 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you this also, but I think New York Comic Con is going to be a pretty big week for Marvel in general, because Marvel comics has been sort of in traction for a bit, and they recently got a new editor in chief, which we talked about a couple months ago, I think this is going to be the opportunity for 54:32.273 --> 54:36.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Steve Wacker to really outline his vision on the comic side. 54:36.816 --> 54:45.420 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know he's also working more closely with folks like Brad Winderom on the TV side and with Kevin. 54:46.721 --> 54:57.107 [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like there is I think a conversation happening behind the scenes between all these guys about how do we like 55:00.619 --> 55:16.647 [SPEAKER_01]: so much to work with just across the board like so much talent, so many stories, so many characters, and it just feels like there isn't really a unified theory right now about how to utilize everything the most effectively. 55:17.267 --> 55:23.150 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, I just get the sense, again, this is also not not really even a rumor. 55:23.210 --> 55:26.391 [SPEAKER_01]: This is more just me reading between the lines. 55:27.652 --> 55:29.012 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's some coordination 55:30.432 --> 55:39.614 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm curious to see where we are, both on the other side of New York and Vision Quest, but also kind of where we are a year from now. 55:40.334 --> 55:50.097 [SPEAKER_01]: Once Doom stays out, once Marvel Comics is kind of on a new track and once Marvel TV is on whatever new track they're on. 55:50.577 --> 55:57.759 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that this whole phase seems like a rebuilding 56:00.422 --> 56:03.729 [SPEAKER_01]: moment to put it in what I think is football terminology. 56:05.092 --> 56:11.605 [SPEAKER_00]: They're in a rebuilding year, we love you guys, we'll talk to you soon, thanks for listening to Friends From Life.