WEBVTT 00:00.111 --> 00:00.511 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk 7-ounce? 00:00.531 --> 00:01.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk about 7-ounce? 00:01.152 --> 00:19.927 [SPEAKER_00]: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 00:25.383 --> 00:36.172 [SPEAKER_02]: We've all met someone who becomes a completely different person when they're drinking, but there are some who take it a step further, a step down, and become subhuman. 00:37.053 --> 00:40.695 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll see it in their eyes, that glazed check-out look. 00:41.416 --> 00:42.477 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll see it in their smile. 00:43.097 --> 00:46.981 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it'll be their lear as if they know something you don't. 00:47.901 --> 00:53.586 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll hear it in their speech, a slurring serpent, sadistic, turned on even 00:54.206 --> 00:57.048 [SPEAKER_02]: by the fact that they've turned off the facade. 00:57.748 --> 01:03.831 [SPEAKER_02]: They're in that black place from where tomorrow they'll not recall visiting or not want to recall. 01:04.592 --> 01:09.154 [SPEAKER_02]: It all depends on how bad it gets, on how dark the inside of this individual is. 01:09.934 --> 01:18.559 [SPEAKER_02]: On this particular occasion, we're alone with a stranger, hoping that whatever comes out of the blackout doesn't try to kill us. 01:19.620 --> 01:22.341 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Dark Topic on your host, Jack Luna. 01:23.262 --> 01:24.544 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a true crime happening. 01:26.086 --> 01:26.767 [SPEAKER_02]: A great guy. 01:37.010 --> 01:50.257 [SPEAKER_02]: Noise in a neighborhood piercing the night feels blasphemous, ugly and unwelcome, but the sounds of screams cut off by a knife have a way of making themselves at home while keeping surrounding homes silent. 01:51.157 --> 02:00.462 [SPEAKER_02]: Outside noise, middle of the night noise and a cold place like Michigan in March seems to slice roughly through the air, echoing and wet. 02:01.122 --> 02:06.966 [SPEAKER_02]: bouncing off the streetlights, splashing on the street itself like shadows that pouring into the year. 02:07.826 --> 02:08.727 [SPEAKER_02]: Did I really hear that? 02:09.707 --> 02:11.508 [SPEAKER_02]: The people are woken, wait to make sure. 02:12.149 --> 02:14.931 [SPEAKER_02]: Not wanting to move, less than invite this trouble their way. 02:15.901 --> 02:19.603 [SPEAKER_02]: Then they hear it again, a woman's scream, and it's real. 02:20.364 --> 02:25.547 [SPEAKER_02]: It's real as soon as one of them dare to call into the night themselves, asking what's the matter? 02:26.467 --> 02:28.148 [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck is going on out there? 02:29.309 --> 02:33.631 [SPEAKER_02]: In this case it initially seems pretty obvious that it's Friday, March 17th or 2017. 02:33.671 --> 02:39.114 [SPEAKER_02]: St. Patrick's Day has turned to night and many revelers have blacked out with it. 02:39.955 --> 02:42.216 [SPEAKER_02]: A few hoots and hollers are to be expected. 02:42.876 --> 02:43.257 [SPEAKER_02]: But this? 02:44.612 --> 02:50.335 [SPEAKER_01]: A woman is screaming for help. 02:57.718 --> 03:00.079 [SPEAKER_02]: You heard it there at the end, the scream for help. 03:00.779 --> 03:04.581 [SPEAKER_02]: The two struggling on the ground are couple Matthew Terry and Michelle Rogers. 03:05.281 --> 03:09.543 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt, blackout drunk, is trying to kill Michelle with a knife. 03:10.528 --> 03:15.070 [SPEAKER_02]: Neighbors are in shock, at least that's what I assume as nobody is coming outside to help. 03:15.570 --> 03:17.071 [SPEAKER_02]: At least one of them calls 911. 03:17.931 --> 03:18.711 [SPEAKER_02]: Help us on the way. 03:19.532 --> 03:21.993 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle sounds like she needs it now, however. 03:22.573 --> 03:30.136 [SPEAKER_02]: While her head is being slammed on the concrete driveway, let's get to know the fellow who's on top of her doing this in his underwear. 03:31.200 --> 03:40.106 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Terry, born in Michigan in the Lansing area, was a former U.S. Marine in an extensive background in wrestling and later worked as a wrestling coach. 03:40.806 --> 03:47.050 [SPEAKER_02]: He was working for a company called Liquid Web, a web hosting company in Lansing, Michigan at the time of the incident. 03:47.610 --> 03:49.151 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd worked there for nearly a decade. 03:49.872 --> 03:57.396 [SPEAKER_02]: He was described as someone who presented extremely well, good looking, charming, dependable, social, and generally appeared to have his life together. 04:00.238 --> 04:03.961 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt has a son with Michelle Rogers, who he's beaten the shit out of right now. 04:04.341 --> 04:06.843 [SPEAKER_02]: This is in 2016, they have this child together. 04:07.463 --> 04:15.069 [SPEAKER_02]: He is shown a recurring pattern of personality changes, jealousy, aggression, and violence towards Michelle when he was drunk. 04:15.589 --> 04:17.451 [SPEAKER_02]: And that might be enough to bring up to speed. 04:17.491 --> 04:20.873 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Matthew Terry, who is using Michelle's head like a speedbag. 04:20.893 --> 04:21.754 [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on now? 04:21.794 --> 04:23.495 [SPEAKER_02]: Looks like Michelle got the knife away from him. 04:23.976 --> 04:25.317 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt is biting her face. 04:26.210 --> 04:36.644 [SPEAKER_02]: While while we continue to wait for emergency response, let's go over how these two crazy kids ended up here, now rolling onto their front lawn and a battle for life and death in front of their gawking neighbors. 04:37.946 --> 04:40.529 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Terry met Michelle Rogers on a dating app in 2015. 04:42.069 --> 04:47.312 [SPEAKER_02]: By March of 2017, Matt Michele were in a relationship and living together in Lansing, Michigan. 04:47.872 --> 04:53.955 [SPEAKER_02]: Terry had a background in wrestling, as I mentioned, and it worked as a wrestling coach, which meant he was good with kits. 04:54.535 --> 05:00.138 [SPEAKER_02]: And this came through for him when he got to know Michele's young son from a previous relationship and won her over. 05:00.838 --> 05:04.920 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt wouldn't involve the boy in activities like fishing, which Matt was a fanatic about. 05:05.520 --> 05:07.201 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing he liked to do more was drink. 05:10.952 --> 05:14.294 [SPEAKER_02]: Unlucky from Michelle, Matt Nalkahall did not. 05:15.235 --> 05:17.336 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of luck, it's St. Patrick's Day. 05:17.856 --> 05:23.040 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle and Matt decide to test their luck by making plans to meet friends and go up for drinks. 05:23.660 --> 05:30.845 [SPEAKER_02]: They did not initially intend to stay out particularly late, Matt had a habit of getting in a hand and Michelle had asked him to scale it back. 05:31.905 --> 05:33.366 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's St. Patty's babe. 05:34.227 --> 05:38.870 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, the one night where raging alcoholism is acceptable, where a guy like Matt fits 05:39.762 --> 05:43.163 [SPEAKER_02]: He even gets to wear a little baby leprechaun hat, which suits him. 05:43.883 --> 05:46.203 [SPEAKER_02]: A child himself, Matt, is now a father. 05:46.763 --> 05:54.605 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though he'd been against it in the beginning, Michelle reminds Matt that they have to give up all night partying now that there's a little one depending on them. 05:55.585 --> 06:03.026 [SPEAKER_02]: On this day, Michelle's eldest boy is with his father, I believe, for the weekend, but their toddlers in the care of grandparents being baby-sat. 06:03.726 --> 06:06.147 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt agrees that she'd get home at a reasonable time. 06:08.837 --> 06:13.664 [SPEAKER_02]: They went out around noon, meeting friends on an Irish pub where they had lunch and drinks. 06:14.409 --> 06:19.353 [SPEAKER_02]: the group then moved on to another bar than another than another than another as a day devolved. 06:19.753 --> 06:25.017 [SPEAKER_02]: By approximately 6 p.m. Michelle went into a neighboring bar where Matt Terry was. 06:25.177 --> 06:31.121 [SPEAKER_02]: They'd gotten splitting up and all of the festivities by this point Matt Terry is extremely intoxicated. 06:31.782 --> 06:37.766 [SPEAKER_02]: Friends later described him as slurring his words, talking nonsense, stumbling around and having difficulty standing walking. 06:38.126 --> 06:39.728 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle told Matt that she wanted to 06:40.754 --> 06:45.655 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't fair to leave their child with the grandparents all day and night just to return stinking drunk. 06:46.376 --> 06:48.816 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Terry tells Michelle to fuck off. 06:49.497 --> 06:52.758 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle ultimately left without him and returned to their house alone. 06:53.398 --> 06:59.940 [SPEAKER_02]: She puts their child to bed and a crib, thanks to grandparents, then waits for trouble to get home. 07:01.020 --> 07:06.622 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Terry arrives around 9pm, he comes to the sliding glass door at the back and knocks. 07:11.328 --> 07:16.530 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle unlocks the entrance, slides it open, then watches Matt pour in like slime. 07:17.151 --> 07:21.393 [SPEAKER_02]: He's dressed in green, somewhere along the line he lost his little Eprechaun hat. 07:22.253 --> 07:25.094 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt Terry isn't a big guy but he has that wrestler's build. 07:25.614 --> 07:28.976 [SPEAKER_02]: Compact, there's a danger to him, even when sober. 07:29.556 --> 07:38.520 [SPEAKER_02]: The former Marine has ghost in his head no doubt, something is bothering him about himself, his life, and he tries to drown it in booze whenever the opportunity presents. 07:40.725 --> 07:42.166 [SPEAKER_02]: but not as bad as she feared. 07:42.647 --> 07:46.169 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably some nosebears gotten the mix once Michelle left the celebrations. 07:47.030 --> 07:50.893 [SPEAKER_02]: Still, Matt stumbles to the kitchen, taking his pants off as he goes. 07:51.654 --> 08:01.962 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a trademark move of the overly inebriated, get the pants off, nights over, pants off, food, maybe sex, Michelle isn't in the mood though. 08:02.382 --> 08:09.928 [SPEAKER_02]: She sits down the couch to watch TV as her beastly little man, slaps himself together as sandwich, grunting and groaning at better at all the while. 08:10.540 --> 08:17.924 [SPEAKER_02]: He grabs a knife from the knife block and cuts the cheese, then he turns back to his sandwich fixings, slices himself up some pickles and tomato and cheddar. 08:18.924 --> 08:22.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Looking at the back of Michelle's head as he works, Matt maybe starts to get angry. 08:23.767 --> 08:26.328 [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of woman lets her man make himself a sandwich? 08:27.548 --> 08:29.790 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt charges towards Michelle at some point. 08:30.370 --> 08:32.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Short blades sprouting from his fist. 08:32.791 --> 08:34.232 [SPEAKER_02]: Short legs from his gotchies. 08:35.292 --> 08:35.872 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing? 08:36.293 --> 08:38.874 [SPEAKER_02]: Is the question Michelle asked before he swings at her? 08:39.394 --> 08:41.336 [SPEAKER_02]: Then Michelle is up and running to the front door. 08:42.056 --> 08:42.816 [SPEAKER_02]: She knows Matt. 08:43.257 --> 08:49.921 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no talking to him when his eyes go black, when that sadistic little smirk spreads in his face like the mayo and mustard in the corners of it. 08:50.741 --> 08:57.964 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt shoves Michelle from behind as she flees, the push knocks her into the front door, then Matt belly to belly suplexes her to the floor. 08:58.304 --> 09:00.805 [SPEAKER_02]: He mounts Michelle and begins raining down blows. 09:01.465 --> 09:04.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle squirms it away but she's locked up by his legs. 09:04.906 --> 09:06.747 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt lands to the face and body. 09:07.167 --> 09:11.049 [SPEAKER_02]: He's fucking her up like those guys in underwear do on TV in this position. 09:11.909 --> 09:17.171 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle tried both to escape into de-escalate him at the same time at one point she yelled 09:20.706 --> 09:23.487 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt responded, now you don't fuck you. 09:23.988 --> 09:24.768 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to kill you. 09:25.609 --> 09:26.749 [SPEAKER_02]: He continued beating on her. 09:27.350 --> 09:31.992 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle managed to get back into her feet at one point, but Terry continued punching her in the face. 09:32.712 --> 09:39.156 [SPEAKER_02]: She eventually landed a face first on the kitchen floor, her nose broken, teeth broken, bleeding heavily. 09:39.796 --> 09:42.958 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle later recalled there being blood everywhere, including 09:47.705 --> 09:51.492 [SPEAKER_02]: Upstairs, Matt and Michelle's love child begins to cry. 09:52.794 --> 09:58.944 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle attempted to push herself up from the floor but was slipping in the blood while Matt Terry used his body weight to prevent her from getting up. 09:59.832 --> 10:06.016 [SPEAKER_02]: As Michelle lay in her left side, Terry used both hands to repeatedly slam her head against the child floor. 10:06.576 --> 10:12.580 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt then wraps Michelle up from behind, and I'm around her throat, knife still in the other, and stabs her in the neck. 10:13.160 --> 10:19.824 [SPEAKER_02]: It's at this point that Michelle realizes that Matt Terry is genuinely trying to kill her, not just beating her up as usual. 10:20.328 --> 10:21.689 [SPEAKER_02]: and that she needs to get out of the house. 10:22.590 --> 10:27.795 [SPEAKER_02]: As he stab at her, Michelle manages to break free and run towards the door leading into the garage. 10:28.455 --> 10:32.339 [SPEAKER_02]: She hits the button for the garage door as she passes it, Matt close behind. 10:32.939 --> 10:35.361 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a mad dash to the door, but it's slow to open. 10:36.082 --> 10:42.087 [SPEAKER_02]: She ducks down in this cotter and the waist by her little muscle hamster of a boyfriend who tosses her back into the garage. 10:42.907 --> 10:43.427 [SPEAKER_02]: This is fun. 10:44.188 --> 10:45.208 [SPEAKER_02]: Try to get past me, babe. 10:45.848 --> 10:53.572 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt is too cocky, not factoring in the 20 plus drinks he's consumed, and Michelle deeks by him rolling in into the driveway and the darkness. 10:54.532 --> 10:58.394 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt follows, jumps on top of her, and begins stabbing her in the back. 10:59.214 --> 11:00.995 [SPEAKER_02]: This is when she begins screaming for help. 11:01.855 --> 11:05.917 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt raises the knife over Michelle's upturn body, and she reaches up to grab it. 11:06.477 --> 11:09.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Incredibly, she's able to wrestle it free and it clatters to the ground. 11:13.069 --> 11:17.954 [SPEAKER_02]: Now Matt begins slamming your head against the driveway, and now we are alive at the scene. 11:18.735 --> 11:21.537 [SPEAKER_02]: He bites her forearm, then her cheek, twice. 11:22.258 --> 11:31.127 [SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to reach under her to get the knife, finally the sound of sirens can be heard, and boldened someone from across the street yells out for Matt to stop. 11:32.027 --> 11:34.049 [SPEAKER_02]: And just like that, he does. 11:34.956 --> 11:48.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Snapping out of this attempted murder, blood all over his face, is if having snapped into some demonic feeding frenzy on some bloody cake, Matt Terry gets off a Michelle and walks and is underwear back into the house. 11:49.778 --> 11:51.040 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably to check on the baby. 11:52.010 --> 11:52.650 [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm joking. 11:52.751 --> 11:54.892 [SPEAKER_02]: But this is what Michelle fears actually. 11:55.072 --> 11:57.594 [SPEAKER_02]: She thinks that Matt is going inside to kill their child. 11:58.314 --> 12:06.160 [SPEAKER_02]: She gets up with the knife and staggers across the dark street to wear some brave, I don't know when Colin Brave's soul had finally intervened from. 12:06.820 --> 12:10.263 [SPEAKER_02]: When she reaches the launch, she feels woozy and tosses the knife. 12:10.783 --> 12:14.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle Rogers collapses as emergency responders arrive. 12:14.866 --> 12:17.068 [SPEAKER_02]: She is a bloody mess and is lucky to be alive. 12:17.903 --> 12:22.287 [SPEAKER_02]: A photo of her on the intensive care unit makes it look as if she'd survived a car crash. 12:22.927 --> 12:25.730 [SPEAKER_02]: Seven stab wounds to the neck back shoulder. 12:26.310 --> 12:29.233 [SPEAKER_02]: She has been bitten, scratched, brutally beaten. 12:29.773 --> 12:32.615 [SPEAKER_02]: Her nose, like I mentioned, is broken, her teeth are missing. 12:33.196 --> 12:37.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Defensive wounds include her hands being slashed from forcing the knife at a mat's grip. 12:38.540 --> 12:40.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle will spend nearly a week in the ICU. 12:42.129 --> 12:43.610 [SPEAKER_02]: She's asking a better baby. 12:44.311 --> 12:48.234 [SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully, Matthew Terry was found by police, stumbling around inside. 12:48.795 --> 12:52.958 [SPEAKER_02]: His child upstairs, crying for money in his crib, though safe. 12:53.759 --> 12:56.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Terry was prosecuted for attempted murder. 12:56.701 --> 12:58.983 [SPEAKER_02]: A charge she was not ultimately convicted of. 12:59.584 --> 13:04.128 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead, he was convicted of a lesser offense and served approximately three years of prison. 13:04.877 --> 13:15.202 [SPEAKER_02]: When he got out, he had another woman waiting for him, Kay Baker, who had served as one of a few character witnesses, who managed to convince the court that Matt Terry was no killer. 13:15.702 --> 13:19.384 [SPEAKER_02]: He just got into a fight with his bitchy girlfriend and things got out of hand. 13:20.045 --> 13:23.006 [SPEAKER_02]: He was in a blackout your honor, it was St. Patrick's Day. 13:23.586 --> 13:24.507 [SPEAKER_02]: They were both out of it. 13:25.207 --> 13:25.988 [SPEAKER_02]: You know how it is? 13:26.768 --> 13:27.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Punch Drunk Love? 13:36.888 --> 13:38.309 [SPEAKER_02]: And I got to make something very clear. 13:38.689 --> 13:41.030 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle Rogers is a fantastic person. 13:41.530 --> 13:49.594 [SPEAKER_02]: There's some footage of her on the show notes, links to information where you'll find the gruesome photo I mentioned, but also interviews where it's clear she is wonderful. 13:50.175 --> 13:54.097 [SPEAKER_02]: I had to mention this as I made a remark about a potentially bitchy girlfriend involved. 13:54.677 --> 14:01.021 [SPEAKER_02]: That, of course, will be no excuse for what Matt did to Michelle, but from what I could tell it's also completely off the mark. 14:01.521 --> 14:02.462 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt is a baby. 14:03.002 --> 14:05.863 [SPEAKER_02]: He gets drunk and finds things to get jealous and upset about. 14:06.384 --> 14:06.724 [SPEAKER_02]: Period. 14:07.444 --> 14:08.185 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that period. 14:08.245 --> 14:09.666 [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly he goes a little further than that. 14:10.106 --> 14:18.611 [SPEAKER_02]: Something his character witnesses, and now one of them in girlfriend Kay Baker by 2020, was going to have to figure out the hard way. 14:19.331 --> 14:29.014 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though Michelle sent Kay the photo of herself on the intensive care unit through Facebook as a warning when she heard that Kay was starting to date, her attacker. 14:29.814 --> 14:43.718 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Terry must have been very convincing, not only does he serve a minimum sentence of three years for a clear attempted murder that occurred in the street in front of his neighbors, but he also manages to secure his next victim, his next girlfriend, while in 14:49.299 --> 14:56.821 [SPEAKER_02]: Kay Baker, born April 29, 1979 in Lansing, Michigan, is 40 when Matt fully comes back into her life. 14:57.581 --> 15:01.342 [SPEAKER_02]: She had two boys who she loved very much and Matt was just great with them. 15:02.142 --> 15:11.225 [SPEAKER_02]: Kay grew up in East Lansing, graduated with honors from Central Michigan, and began teaching at Saipers Creek Elementary in Florida, where she loved her students, and they loved her. 15:11.785 --> 15:15.306 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going on about love a bit here, when it comes to Kay Baker, 15:16.040 --> 15:23.647 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, most people do, because by all accounts, that's all that she exuded until Matthew Terry cut a hole that would drain it all out. 15:24.327 --> 15:32.614 [SPEAKER_02]: Described as having a heart like no other, and as being a friendly ray of sunshine, K was a third grade math and science teacher in Ruskin, Florida. 15:33.363 --> 15:35.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Kay and Matt had known each other for a long time. 15:36.325 --> 15:40.967 [SPEAKER_02]: They were both from the Lansing Michigan area, and had dated in the late 90s early 2000s. 15:41.528 --> 15:59.238 [SPEAKER_02]: In 2017, they got back together after Matthew beat the living shit out of his fucking girlfriend and almost killed her while his baby was crying upstairs, and was arrested and prosecuted in Michigan, and Kay was called to be a character witness because Matt knew she was upstanding and would do great in court form. 16:00.078 --> 16:04.182 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, Kaye still had feelings for Matt, so was eager to help him in any way. 16:05.123 --> 16:09.447 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew and Kaye reconnected while he was awaiting trial for attacking Michelle Rogers. 16:10.248 --> 16:15.272 [SPEAKER_02]: Kaye testified as defense character witness for Matthew Terry during his 2017 Michigan trial. 16:15.733 --> 16:20.037 [SPEAKER_02]: Their relationship continued after Matt went to prison for a shockingly short sentence. 16:21.018 --> 16:23.340 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt felt he had Kaye to thank. 16:24.353 --> 16:26.254 [SPEAKER_02]: They were communicating through prison phone calls. 16:26.654 --> 16:31.275 [SPEAKER_02]: When Michelle Rogers learned this, she looked K-Baker up on Facebook and sent her that message. 16:31.835 --> 16:37.497 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle sent K that photograph of her in the hospital following the attack, warning K to get away from Matthew Terry. 16:37.937 --> 16:40.878 [SPEAKER_02]: K lied and told Michelle that she wasn't communicating with him. 16:41.539 --> 16:45.800 [SPEAKER_02]: After seeing the photo, she had to be lying to herself, as well. 16:46.833 --> 16:47.813 [SPEAKER_02]: December 1, 2020. 16:47.873 --> 16:49.854 [SPEAKER_02]: Terry gets out of prison. 16:50.515 --> 16:54.916 [SPEAKER_02]: After his release, Matt moves to the Tampa area of Florida to be with Kay Baker. 16:55.377 --> 16:59.919 [SPEAKER_02]: It takes a couple of years, but they are eventually living together at Kay's Lithia home. 17:00.539 --> 17:05.701 [SPEAKER_02]: By late May of 2022, they're just getting comfortable with the arrangement when they decide to go out. 17:06.321 --> 17:07.922 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Friday night, again. 17:08.622 --> 17:14.085 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt decides to drink heavily, again, something he's not supposed to do now because it makes him crazy. 17:14.605 --> 17:18.027 [SPEAKER_02]: He starts doing silly things and is underwear that he can't remember doing the next day. 17:18.727 --> 17:21.589 [SPEAKER_02]: May 27, 2022, into the 28th. 17:22.209 --> 17:28.633 [SPEAKER_02]: Case-friend Kelly Andrews invites Kay and Matt to the landing bar and grill with her husband, a double date. 17:29.253 --> 17:38.920 [SPEAKER_02]: Surveillance footage from the bar shows that just after 11pm, Kay and Kelly are dancing when a young man passes them, it does a little dance himself before moving on. 17:39.640 --> 17:49.567 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt, who can be seen exiting the washam area when the innocent interaction occurs, comes over and breaks up the dancing and the group goes to their table where it's clear there's a problem. 17:50.348 --> 17:51.249 [SPEAKER_02]: Matt is upset. 17:51.949 --> 17:56.813 [SPEAKER_02]: Kay and Kelly can be seen defending themselves, mimicking the dance move the stranger and made towards them. 17:57.453 --> 17:58.334 [SPEAKER_02]: It should be no big deal. 17:59.034 --> 18:03.796 [SPEAKER_02]: But Kay's new boyfriend, as she well knows, kind of overreacts sometimes. 18:04.796 --> 18:17.381 [SPEAKER_02]: Kay's friend Kelly later recalls that Matt was sulking and at times menacing, saying this memorable line at one point, quote, I just want to protect my queen, in my kingdom. 18:18.693 --> 18:31.761 [SPEAKER_02]: and quote, yuck, Kate, and quote, fucking yuck, Kay eventually decides to leave with Matt when he became drunker and more belligerent, pressing Kay to quote, just on up to it. 18:32.762 --> 18:37.365 [SPEAKER_02]: Kay hugs Kelly and her husband goodbye around 11.30pm, Matt leaves in a half. 18:38.127 --> 18:45.071 [SPEAKER_02]: The argument continues in the vehicle on the way to the home they now shared, or as parolee Matt puts it, his kingdom. 18:45.891 --> 18:52.535 [SPEAKER_02]: Just before midnight, K sends a text to Kelly saying, quote, LOL, sorry for that, so dumb. 18:53.316 --> 18:53.916 [SPEAKER_02]: All good now. 18:54.797 --> 19:00.920 [SPEAKER_02]: And quote, Kelly tells K to tell Matt that she'll kick him in the balls if he does something like that again. 19:01.921 --> 19:05.443 [SPEAKER_02]: If K did pass on that message, it wasn't received very well. 19:06.365 --> 19:13.650 [SPEAKER_02]: At 1230 AM, less than 30 minutes later, K would be found mortally wounded by a neighbor, beside her house. 19:14.931 --> 19:21.295 [SPEAKER_02]: Jonathan Figgins, K's neighbor, is sleeping next door when he hears a loud thump, followed by a cry of pain. 19:21.995 --> 19:26.218 [SPEAKER_02]: He goes outside to check and notices a figure lying on the ground between the houses. 19:26.859 --> 19:28.200 [SPEAKER_02]: He thinks it's a teenage girl. 19:28.985 --> 19:31.946 [SPEAKER_02]: He calls out and asks that they're okay and gets no response. 19:32.666 --> 19:37.548 [SPEAKER_02]: As he approaches, he realizes it's his neighbor Kay, laying in a pool of blood. 19:38.229 --> 19:44.211 [SPEAKER_02]: His wife, Ruth, calls down one, and another neighbor dug this Hicks, arrives at the gruesome scene to help. 19:44.411 --> 19:46.692 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a helpful neighborhood unlike the last one we were in. 19:47.379 --> 19:53.764 [SPEAKER_02]: He observes Kay is gasping for air and is still alive despite the catastrophic wounds to her upper body and neck. 19:54.465 --> 19:59.188 [SPEAKER_02]: Kenny deputies arrived just before one AM to respond to a call of a person down. 19:59.789 --> 20:05.473 [SPEAKER_02]: Police don't know where the attacker is, and enter Kay's home with guns drawn, clearing the residents' room by room. 20:06.534 --> 20:11.697 [SPEAKER_02]: Inside the discover extensive blood evidence and damage, Matthew Terry is not inside. 20:12.458 --> 20:18.022 [SPEAKER_02]: Shortly after EMS arrive, K succumbs to her injuries in the meantime and is pronounced dead at the scene. 20:19.022 --> 20:27.548 [SPEAKER_02]: As police begin their initial search of the scene, the discover signs of forced entry and damage to the bathroom door, where it appears to have been kicked in. 20:28.310 --> 20:41.704 [SPEAKER_02]: Additionally, they find one of the bedroom window screens has been pushed outward, suggesting K first was terrorized out from the locked bathroom by someone kicking the door in, then escape the house through the bedroom window and ran towards the neighboring property. 20:42.408 --> 20:44.770 [SPEAKER_02]: her pursuer followed Kay and caught her outside. 20:45.350 --> 20:55.056 [SPEAKER_02]: Kay suffered multiple stab wounds and sized wounds and the size wound is a clean, open cut on the skin caused by a knife where the length of the cut is greater than its depth. 20:55.376 --> 21:04.062 [SPEAKER_02]: She has a bunch of these slashes on her as if she was being terrorized by a maniac, a knife wielding maniac who was enjoying what he was doing. 21:04.730 --> 21:13.737 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of the stabs concentrated around her neck, her jugular is perforated, the injuries to her neck were so substantial that she was nearly decapitated. 21:14.578 --> 21:26.307 [SPEAKER_02]: Investigators found that one kitchen knife was missing from the butcher block on the counter, the murder weapon was never recovered, Kay's cause of death was stabbed and incised wounds to the neck with perforation of the jugular. 21:27.070 --> 21:37.757 [SPEAKER_02]: Police quickly learned that K was with Matthew Terry that night, and had an argument at the landing bar in grill, and Terry immediately becomes the focus of the investigation, and they believe that he has fled this crime scene. 21:38.498 --> 21:46.383 [SPEAKER_02]: Investigators noticed a blood trail leading from the house towards the area where K was discovered, then they find another trail of blood leading away from K's location. 21:46.883 --> 21:49.005 [SPEAKER_02]: They believe their suspect is actively bleeding. 21:49.805 --> 21:52.087 [SPEAKER_02]: K-9 units are brought in to track the suspect. 21:52.588 --> 21:56.769 [SPEAKER_02]: The search leads investigators into a wooded area, not far from the scene on the crime. 21:57.289 --> 22:00.630 [SPEAKER_02]: They follow a trail into a neighboring area with overgrown brush. 22:01.450 --> 22:04.951 [SPEAKER_02]: A police helicopter picks up a heat signature, deeper in the woods. 22:05.531 --> 22:12.133 [SPEAKER_02]: They soon find Matthew Terry lying flat on the ground, trying to conceal himself for the bunch of branches and vegetation. 22:12.733 --> 22:14.754 [SPEAKER_02]: He's wearing a t-shirt and his underwear. 22:15.334 --> 22:16.474 [SPEAKER_02]: Both are soaked with blood. 22:17.255 --> 22:18.555 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the second time now. 22:22.882 --> 22:28.325 [SPEAKER_02]: Terry himself is injured, he has two wounds to his neck, and multiple cuts to his fingers and hands. 22:29.065 --> 22:33.848 [SPEAKER_02]: Prosecutors would later argue that those are self-inflicted wounds to either side of his neck. 22:34.628 --> 22:42.873 [SPEAKER_02]: The blood and Terry's hands was later identified as Kay Bakers, the slash march I thought to be from the knife slipping, out of his hands as he stabbed her and sliced her to death. 22:43.913 --> 22:47.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Terry declines to give a statement without a lawyer present at the scene. 22:47.695 --> 22:50.317 [SPEAKER_02]: He is drunk and out of it, much like the first time. 22:51.303 --> 22:54.684 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Terry 47 was arrested and charged with first-degree murder. 22:56.104 --> 23:10.267 [SPEAKER_02]: During the investigation into Matthew Terry, investigators uncovered Terry's previous criminal history, which bears striking similarities to Kay Baker's murder, Matthew Terry demanded a speedy trial probably because he didn't want them to figure this out. 23:10.687 --> 23:15.068 [SPEAKER_02]: The murder happened on May 28th of 2022, and the trial took place in November 7th of 2022. 23:16.608 --> 23:18.489 [SPEAKER_02]: Terry does not testify at his trial. 23:18.829 --> 23:19.670 [SPEAKER_02]: He cries a bit. 23:20.170 --> 23:29.274 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes he stares strangely at courtroom cameras, as if he's trying on looking dangerous, which he is, to women, who love and trust him. 23:30.115 --> 23:34.477 [SPEAKER_02]: The defense argued an unidentified third person could have entered the home in a tactical 23:44.182 --> 23:46.724 [SPEAKER_02]: arguing investigators focused on Terry too quickly. 23:47.164 --> 23:52.428 [SPEAKER_02]: The reason those blood samples and DNA samples weren't all tested is because the trial happened too quick. 23:52.889 --> 23:54.590 [SPEAKER_02]: As Matt pushed it to happen so fast. 23:55.090 --> 23:57.372 [SPEAKER_02]: The defense hinged on there being no eyewitnesses. 23:57.953 --> 24:02.956 [SPEAKER_02]: They said that when Terry was located, he was covered in his own blood which pointed to him being attacked himself. 24:03.777 --> 24:15.128 [SPEAKER_02]: Testing established that K-Baker's blood was on Terry's hands, but only 10 of the 50 DNA samples were tested, and the defense argued that was too fast, and maybe some of those were from the attacker. 24:15.588 --> 24:19.832 [SPEAKER_02]: The defense argued that Matthew Terry's wounds could support the possibility that he too had been attacked. 24:20.207 --> 24:27.114 [SPEAKER_02]: And forgive me, I feel like I repeated myself a couple of times there, just in different ways, that's kind of what a defense does anyways. 24:27.615 --> 24:31.439 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe I just got kind of roped into their fucking deal there myself. 24:31.999 --> 24:37.125 [SPEAKER_02]: For the prosecution, the blood patterns inside the house and the blood trails helped reconstruct the series of events. 24:37.565 --> 24:40.647 [SPEAKER_02]: The prosecution had a blood pattern expert testify at the trial. 24:41.128 --> 24:48.293 [SPEAKER_02]: Inside the home investigators found the damage to the bedroom, the damage to the bathroom door, the bedroom screen pushed out, and the blood leading away from the residents. 24:48.834 --> 24:54.218 [SPEAKER_02]: The prosecution argued that K had locked herself away from Terry, and ultimately climbed it the window to escape. 24:54.938 --> 25:02.467 [SPEAKER_02]: Terry had cuts to his hands at fingers, scratches on his arms, and two clean, relatively symmetrical puncture wounds on opposite sides of his neck. 25:03.007 --> 25:13.859 [SPEAKER_02]: The prosecution argued that the injuries were consistent with a violent knife attack, and the neck wounds were self-inflicted afterwards, in a suicide attempt or what was supposed to look like. 25:14.420 --> 25:16.762 [SPEAKER_02]: him having been attacked by an unknown attacker. 25:17.122 --> 25:21.244 [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that Matthew Terry was hiding from police when he was found seemed pretty suspicious. 25:21.905 --> 25:37.675 [SPEAKER_02]: The 911 call from neighbor Ruth Figgins was played for the jury and body camp footage showed deputies clearing the bloody house and K9s assisting in the search and arrest and a Matt Terry a bloody mess with his hands behind his back and his underwear covered in blood saying nothing. 25:38.278 --> 25:38.899 [SPEAKER_02]: It's damning. 25:38.959 --> 25:40.663 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's fucking guilty. 25:40.803 --> 25:45.732 [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, they don't even know about the previous murder attempt at this point. 25:46.253 --> 25:49.740 [SPEAKER_02]: During the trial, there was testimony for Matthew Terry's ex-girlfriend. 25:50.067 --> 25:54.270 [SPEAKER_02]: which painted an eerily similar scene that ex-girlfriend, of course, is Michelle Rogers. 25:54.670 --> 25:56.651 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was excellent on the stand, brave. 25:57.492 --> 26:03.035 [SPEAKER_02]: The jury deliberated for about an hour before finding Matthew Terry guilty of first degree pre-meditated murder. 26:03.375 --> 26:16.643 [SPEAKER_02]: Because prosecutors were seeking the death penalty, the jury had to then move into the penalty phase to decide between life and prison with that parole or the death penalty, victim impact statements for both sides of red, Kay Baker, sister, and Kay's friend Kelly Andrews 26:19.445 --> 26:21.748 [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew's parents testified to spare their son's life. 26:22.569 --> 26:32.940 [SPEAKER_02]: During the penalty phase, it was revealed that Kay Baker had actually testified on Matthew Terry's behalf during his 2017 Michigan case involving Michelle Rogers. 26:33.661 --> 26:40.748 [SPEAKER_02]: The revelation reportedly surprised both the judge and Terry's defense team they didn't know about this. 26:41.349 --> 26:46.252 [SPEAKER_02]: And it surprised me that nobody from the defense team or the judge googled Matt Terry. 26:46.813 --> 26:54.037 [SPEAKER_02]: On November 17th, 2022, the jury declines to recommend execution and instead, recommend life and imprisonment without parole. 26:54.538 --> 26:57.500 [SPEAKER_02]: This aligns with the wishes of Kay Baker's family. 26:57.900 --> 27:03.464 [SPEAKER_02]: Despite being lucky to be alive, Matthew, of course, continues to be a pain in the ass. 27:08.647 --> 27:12.310 [SPEAKER_02]: Flaming his attorneys have made promises that persuaded him not to testify. 27:12.990 --> 27:16.913 [SPEAKER_02]: His attorneys denied this and the judge denied Terry's motion for a new trial. 27:17.593 --> 27:22.397 [SPEAKER_02]: Funny to think that Matt Terry believed, had he spoken, things could have been different. 27:23.320 --> 27:32.166 [SPEAKER_02]: All I can think about is how he plunged a knife into either side of his neck after chasing down Kay Baker and nearly cutting her head off, finishing what he started with Michelle Rogers. 27:32.986 --> 27:37.229 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if he meant to kill himself, or just make it look like he too had been attacked? 27:37.809 --> 27:39.951 [SPEAKER_02]: Why did he crawl into the woods and hide after? 27:39.971 --> 27:40.831 [SPEAKER_02]: They've so. 27:42.092 --> 27:46.495 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wait, that's right, Matt was in that black place where some become a stranger. 27:47.597 --> 27:48.378 [SPEAKER_02]: even to themselves. 27:49.078 --> 27:54.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe what stabbed Matt was as conscious and he fought it off before running off to hide from it. 27:55.764 --> 28:02.569 [SPEAKER_02]: Once again, Matthew Terry is serving his life sentence at the hearty correctional institution in Bowling Green Florida. 28:03.230 --> 28:04.831 [SPEAKER_02]: His most recent appeal was denied. 28:05.492 --> 28:08.394 [SPEAKER_02]: The second time around, there aren't many willing to show up on his behalf. 28:09.195 --> 28:15.139 [SPEAKER_02]: One spit and well, he bit a whole lot more than once, but needless to say, these days, people are shy. 28:16.073 --> 28:22.981 [SPEAKER_02]: to claim the Matthew Terries, a great guy, and that will do it. 28:23.662 --> 28:30.531 [SPEAKER_02]: That was my blackout episode where I decided to blackout the music at a certain point in time, and all kinds of fucking noises are happening here. 28:30.551 --> 28:33.674 [SPEAKER_02]: All the sudden, just beeps and you're probably not hearing that. 28:33.694 --> 28:35.256 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a fucking train warming up. 28:36.328 --> 28:54.343 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, anyways, yeah, he ever dealt with someone who's in a blackout, um, that was Matt Terry almost every time I'm always amazed by those guys who, you know, they drink so much, but they can never end up handling it so I could probably need more practice. 28:54.383 --> 28:56.485 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 29:06.121 --> 29:11.826 [SPEAKER_02]: It's guys either about to pass out or cause somebody else to pass away. 29:13.167 --> 29:15.009 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was Matt Terry. 29:16.350 --> 29:19.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably triggering for some of you was triggering for me. 29:19.733 --> 29:26.979 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not myself a black out artist, but I probably have on occasion. 29:27.933 --> 29:30.555 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not described as a bad drunk by those who know me. 29:31.516 --> 29:40.383 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't been drinking at all lately, feel a lot better, going for jogs in the morning, and trying not to eat until about four o'clock. 29:40.423 --> 29:42.744 [SPEAKER_02]: I found that my energies picked up a lot. 29:43.045 --> 29:44.906 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it sounds like I'm down right now. 29:44.946 --> 29:48.048 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, trying to put you the sleep here at the end. 29:48.349 --> 29:49.129 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my cadence. 29:49.670 --> 29:50.350 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my energies. 29:50.911 --> 29:51.471 [SPEAKER_02]: Through the roof. 29:53.535 --> 29:55.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, a little bit about myself there. 29:55.676 --> 30:05.222 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want more dark topic, and you want exclusive content, head over to patreon.com, and or go to Apple Plaster, head to Spotify. 30:05.342 --> 30:06.622 [SPEAKER_02]: All those links are in the show notes. 30:07.763 --> 30:11.705 [SPEAKER_02]: And other than that, I'll see you next time on another episode of Dark Topic. 30:12.506 --> 30:17.388 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a whole lot to ramble about now that I'm not drinking, at least on this episode. 30:18.309 --> 30:20.530 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything you'll be right, considering the content. 30:21.221 --> 30:36.030 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, until next time, keep those eyes cock those doors locked and stay paranoid, big love, and uh, take it easy, bye-bye now, I got real square, all the sudden, oh, that was like the opposite of a blackout.