[SPEAKER_00]: You are listening to the fire, Breslo podcast presented by the bastards of Boston baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Red Sox get blown out at Fenway Park tonight, nine to six, your final a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: of a mini rally their late, but ultimately, this game was pretty much early, it was over early on, excuse me, headaches and pious, making his red socks debut tonight, and it did not go well for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eight runs on ten hits, he only made it three and two thirds, so red socks pitching depth starting to get stretched a little bit thin here, and we're really starting to see some cracks, because they got blown out by, frankly, a not very good Mariners team tonight,
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome into the show everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Jason Kelly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got Terry and Doug alongside.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was an ugly one guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the score doesn't really indicate the kind of game that it was, like I said, a little bit of a mini rally late, but this game was over pretty much early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Terry, I'll put you in the lead off spot tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, headaches and pious, not a name that we were expecting to see at any point this season, but he makes his red socks debut tonight
[SPEAKER_00]: it was ugly from the start.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, even though I wasn't familiar with him, I wasn't overly pessimistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the red socks put up a million runs at home.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, when Connelly early deck called out, I wasn't familiar with him, I'm like, okay, this is going to be a train wreck and he pitched fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he never left the rotation until he got injured.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then Jake Bennett same thing I'm like yeah okay he's got good Worcester numbers that Worcester's Worcester he's not gonna hang at the majorly level well he's basically been what your number two since he's been up well number three actually I keep forgetting about Sunni Gray but yeah so I'm like this could just be another another successful you know project and
[SPEAKER_02]: If all goes well, you only need him for one star.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sold, Sunny Gray is gonna only miss one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, and, you know, totally pitch last night, you know, kind of got knocked around a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't the worst start, but he wasn't electric.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I really don't think he has been for the last couple.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gray is out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bayo seems to be showing cracks.
[SPEAKER_02]: He tends to follow a part,
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, who am I missing in there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sand of all actually did pitch well.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the the one Yankees game you won.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think or was that the Bennett game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think we lost the sand of all game, but he pitched well.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I don't know how how how how how how how how do you guys feel about the rotation?
[SPEAKER_02]: I said I didn't think we'd be in the spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It I've always been worried about the lineup and the sustainability of that, but now the rotation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not looking very sustainable.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's definitely can shake it down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it's just, you know, they need rest.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's nothing to, to serious going on with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully the rest is, you know, they're gonna get the rest that they need this month.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this was as bad as a first start as I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: As I can remember, like a lot of people have success in their first starts because there's not so much, you know, scouting on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: this guy just had no success.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got murdered from, you know, the first inning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of was, it felt like they were, you know, the, the, the coaching staff was just ready to let it ride and not go into the bullpen and try not to dig into these guys that have been working a lot because they let this, I mean, they let this kid go way, I mean, he only went three and two thirds and I was way longer than he even should have
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like they were like, you know, at that this game's lost, leave them out there, save some of the bullpen, see what we can salvage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, obviously this doesn't mean anything like this kid can't pitch or whatever you got knocked around is first start, hopefully it's just only start.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he still has, he still had good numbers and Triple H. So, you know, it's not like anything that that means too much, but,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it looked like a game that they were ready to lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we need the pitch of staff, like you said, Terry, you weren't really worried about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were right about the line of all year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of flipped now the last couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: The line up is really plain well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're roaming in Trevor, both are great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: the pitch and staff is really concerned right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The end of the rotation still, you know, I still have trust in Chapman and Guerrero and Miller.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, if we can't get healthy, then, you know, like you were saying, time before the second wildcard might be my being in jeopardy, and we haven't been thinking that at all either.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's shaky right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they, they Kyle Barricloid, this kid, and it's, it's tough because the age is deceiving, he's 22.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you think about a 22 year old kid coming up from Worcester, as Doug mentioned, he's made three starts down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're actually pretty good numbers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny, because his, his AA numbers are not very good, but he got bumped up to AAA with
[SPEAKER_00]: you're pitching depth from down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he looked pretty good to start.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't blame the red socks for at least giving it a try.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's let's see what the kid has.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you have to remember, this was a rule five guy who the white socks return to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the white socks picked him up from you and in the rule five and said, you know what, we're good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you look at his savante, obviously it's a small sample size, but it is,
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I'm not telling you this kid doesn't have anything, you know, he's 22, he can obviously develop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, this was kind of a waving of the white flag.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was, we're so concerned about sunny gray and we really want him.
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to get him right because let's face it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The red socks know that if they go into a play-up series right now, sunny gray is your game one starter.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a can't be ranger with how inconsistent he's been.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you want to put that much pressure on a patent Holy, not that I would necessarily hate that, but you know, they kind of mentioned it on the broadcast tonight that They're setting up their rotation this weekend against Baltimore as if that's like a playoff series and they want sunny great pitching game one
[SPEAKER_00]: So, they were overcocious with Sonny Greg, I understand that, and you know, the kid was on the roster that didn't really have to do much to get him up here and then why to give him a shot, but
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just, he's not ready, you know, he's nothing special right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will he be one day who the hell knows, you know, you might end up being a bullpen piece at some point down the road.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, this was kind of a white flag game because, you know, the mayor's offense is not great, but it's not terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Rosenranius had a really good year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cal Rally said it down year, but he's always good to run into one every now and then.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get Rod Regas, you know, hasn't quite put it all together, but still a dangerous sitter, Josh Nailers, dangerous sitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Seattle's go from this whole year has been their pitching left them down.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, their full-pensive disaster, and their starting rotation wasn't what anyone thought it was going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you're still going up against a pretty dangerous team, despite where they are in the standing right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to throw this guy out there, it's just, to me, I would have rather, you know, had them do like a bullpen game.
[SPEAKER_00]: just feel like this was such a waving of the white flag.
[SPEAKER_00]: And look, it's, it's okay because in a way, it's okay because you're still in the second wildcard.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a little bit of a cushion there, but they've got to be careful because the way the pitching is going now with the lack of depth and the injuries starting to to pile up a little bit, guys, starting to running to innings limits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, you know, we talked about the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: You gave up a lot of pitching around the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: this straight deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is going to be a big test for Craig Braslow and how he manages this pitching staff going for because this was their strength all year.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they now sort of collapse in September because Sunni Gray can't keep up any more in Jake Bennett starting to wear down and God forbid his patent to always start to wear down.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be able to look back at that deadline and go you've you had depth of pitching it's all gone now.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of it's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, this is going to be a big indictment, you know, in terms of if they do collapse here, I still think they'll be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're still going to make the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But nice like tonight are a little scary because, you know, again, they mentioned it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The calendar slipped to September now.
[SPEAKER_00]: September baseball is really important.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got headaches in bias going out there and just getting relaxed and pretty much put in your team, you know, in the lost category by the third inning.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that was a little bit scary to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if they, um, if we had to go with three man rotation right now, who would be a third guy, Bennett or Ranger, I'd say Bennett on this very day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was that to change.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Rangers, the big game guy, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's tough because Rangers got the experience, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's pitching the playoffs, you know, most of his career done it hasn't, but then it's kind of got that, like, I don't give enough kind of attitude.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the way they're going right now, I might be with you guys, it might be bettered over Ranger.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, as crazy as it sounds, I, I would probably,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd probably pick totally for game one if he doesn't flame out like I said in the intro I don't like how he's trending but
[SPEAKER_02]: That dude's just nuts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it matters to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: How hostile a game one is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be on the road as we know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, and you know, I'm looking to Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: What has me worried about sunny was I think I think I did that post game when he last pitched.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm not mistaken.
[SPEAKER_02]: After a lot of those late inning pitches, he was flexing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like he was trying to work out a cramp or something or stretch himself out and I didn't like the way he looked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's why I'm not convinced he's going to make the start this weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully I'm wrong if not, I think Bale hasn't pitched.
[SPEAKER_02]: at least a couple of games.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he'll be ready to go, you know, behind an opener.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that doesn't because until I until that thought came to mind, I'm like, well, who do you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do you pluck next from Worcester, you know, Pious sucked, and he probably was your best option, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If they started him tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this, this rotation is, it's starting to get scary.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, you look at the standings right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're four and a half above Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_02]: they could leap frog you then you're the world you're the the third wild card but Baltimore is just one game behind Cleveland so you got them this weekend luckily it's a three game set not a four and that's a big series that is a massive massive series
[SPEAKER_02]: not a guy not a guy want to face and he'd been quiet against us and in some of the earlier series of the year but he just absolutely destroyed us in the most recent series.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just I've questioned everything all I do every day is question every aspect about this team.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, early in the season at why it was why were they so bad during the streak it was like, well, why are they so good now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are they the best offense and major league baseball being led by Caleb Durbin and Wilson Contreras?
[SPEAKER_02]: Durban's on base numbers look good in the last 30 games, but his batting average has settled down.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Meloni said during the broadcast tonight, he's only had one extra base hit in his last 24 at bats.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's kind of cooled off a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Roman Anthony's, you know, on fire right now, hottest hit or this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Story shockingly has been productive after not being productive at all in Worcester.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see what happens there, but
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, it's hard to know where the wins are coming from and, you know, the September schedule here for the Red Sox, let me pull it up, you know, you think you'd have some cupcake teams in there, you know, Baltimore sold at the deadline, that's the crazy thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, here they are, one of the hottest teams in baseball, ooh, wow, we have a
[SPEAKER_02]: That's worse than I thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you have the angels probably find that's at home at the end of the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think the royal series is a cup cake one, they're hot too.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they've got a week to cool off and then maybe we'll be fine, but not a team I'd want to face tomorrow and then you've got Texas who's one game behind Baltimore, you've got Tampa, you've got Cleveland who's still going to be fighting for whether it's the division or a wildcard spot and then you end the season with the Cubs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're lucky, the Cubs might not
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where they're at right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know they're in a playoff spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so if they got nothing to gain forwards or backwards, you know, who knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: But suddenly September looks pretty tough against a Red Sox team that's sputtering.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can definitely make a break us.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they just play pretty much 500 baseball,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they'll probably keep their spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like you said, now every, I mean, this weekend was the biggest weekend of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're looking at another one, because if you're playing teams behind you, it's just a huge series now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it is up for grabs.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not out of reach for these teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a month left for games
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a four game set, you know, you can gain a lot of ground and stuff like in game and you know, serious like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the advice I'll be watching there back right now and they better be taking this pitch and staff serious and they better be getting this rotation right because we don't only need them to pitch good down the stretch to get us in position,
[SPEAKER_01]: we need them to pitch good down the stretch to get them ready for the playoffs and get them into a rhythm and get this team back on track and playing well and the vibe tie and get the pitch in south to where it's been, you know, most of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I haven't lost faith in it and I haven't lost faith in any of our pitchers, but it's, it's, there's doubt at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to put it to get like this can't be sputtering down the stretch holding on to the lead barely getting into the Yankee series because I don't think anyone would pick us to win a game if it's like that you got to come on firing you got to finish this series you know this season like
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can pass the Yankee's grade, if you can't, you still want to be playing your best baseball right now going into whatever series you get, it's going to be tough and this business staff need.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe hopefully Sunny played, I believe in Sunny, I still would pick Sunny Ferris down a pick totally second, but it's going to be, it's going to be
[SPEAKER_01]: in Ranger right now, but like you said, he's a big game pitcher and hopefully he can prove it down the stretch yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: The schedule is definitely going to be a bugaboo for them because apart from that Angel series and maybe the Royal series, you're September schedule is really tough, especially right now with the way those teams are going Baltimore's Red Hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're hunting you down.
[SPEAKER_00]: They probably kind of sense that you're a little bit vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tampa Bay Cleveland Cubs, I mean, those are all playoff teams, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, at least potentially, and it's interesting because they went what 21 and 4 in July, something ridiculous like that, and we looked at their August schedule, I thought their August schedule was a bunch of cupcakes, and I said, okay, this is good, teams red hot, you know, red hot and July, they should be able to clean up in August, they didn't do terribly,
[SPEAKER_00]: You lost 12 games in August when you really shouldn't have.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were some games in there that they kind of gave away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where the cracks really started to show.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the offense started to know show a little bit, particularly towards the end of the month.
[SPEAKER_00]: The pitching started to get, not only unhealthy but inconsistent,
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, you know, first game of the month doesn't look very good and you've got a bit of a daunting schedule coming up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to have to really, you know, keep their foot on the gas here because again, you're being chased by Baltimore and, you know, and that it's a four game series, you know, you lose three out of four this weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: all the sudden the playoff projection looks a lot different because sure right now you feel pretty good you got a four and a half game cushion on that second spot you know you should be all right but that can slip away really quick and it's interesting I agree with Terry like with this team I've said it before they're streaky but it's not just that it's that it's something
[SPEAKER_00]: different that's leading them, seemingly every week.
[SPEAKER_00]: One week they're pitching will dominate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it'll be all the starters doing their thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bennett and Toli will deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sunny Grey will look like, you know, the Saoyang Sunny Grey that, you know, we got early in the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bullpen will nail it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, okay, the offense might spot her a little bit, but they'll do just enough to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: then the next week the bullpen falls apart or gets injured because you know now careros on the I.L.
[SPEAKER_00]: you're still you know with lock and slating are always you know kind of bounced off and on on the I.L.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chapman might have a bad week but hey here comes Roman Anthony and Trevor story and they're hitting you know getting to hits every game and they look like they're driving the offense so
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just weird with this team, and it's why it's really hard to trust some kind of going into any series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I looked at this series, you know, again Seattle, and I thought, well Seattle season is pretty much almost over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have a chance to pretty much put them to bed this week, because
[SPEAKER_00]: really have much more to play for.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they come in here and like at least today they kicked your ass and it took a miracle come back to win game one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not a great sign to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are teams that I don't see, I don't want to say it should be cleaning up on, but you should be playing better and more confidently than they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And look,
[SPEAKER_00]: Tonight's tough, you know, your starter puts you in a 7-1 hole, you know, to start the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's hard to come back from that, but...
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I look at the rest of the series.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look at the matchup tomorrow with sand of all going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he pitch well his last time, but do I trust Patrick's sand of all to kind of be the stopper here and to get the red socks back on track?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at Patrick's sand of all going into the season and I said, I hope that we don't see him pitching important games for you down the stretch and now he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's just, it speaks to how much your pitching depth got really blown up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It got blown up by trades, but it also got blown up by injuries.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you made the treat, you treated the password for Yohan Oviedo.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gone, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Children's injury, you know, I could see him the rest of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kotter Crawford was a guy that we were hoping, you know, hey, maybe somewhere down the stretch, he comes back and he's, you know, at the very least a swingman for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's nowhere to be found.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tanner Halk did what's called a bridge game today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't exactly know what that means, but does that mean that he's in line to start pretty soon?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I doubt it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So their pitching tips has really taken a massive hit in the last month or so, and it's really starting to show how thin they got.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think roller coaster season, like it's thrown around a lot, but truly, this is truly a roller coaster of a season where it's up and down,
[SPEAKER_01]: upside down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every game can be different.
[SPEAKER_01]: You really don't know what to expect from the team.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can score 10 runs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can score nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing surprises you at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an unpredictable team.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners had lost four in a row coming into this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it had all the makings of two out of three.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Red Sox do have Bryce Miller tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has given up five or more earned runs and has last three starts at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: So perhaps that's, you know, you win the division, you win the series tomorrow, potentially.
[SPEAKER_02]: who's to say they don't put up a five-spot early on, on sand of all, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the, the mariners don't seem to have any trouble getting out to leads, they, they have trouble holding them late.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yesterday's win was kind of crucial, you know, and I think,
[SPEAKER_02]: to think when Rodriguez kind of did him a favor by going all out for that you know that ball that got passed him and you know where this this is a much different conversation if we lose last night and you know and tomorrow it'll be I think it's the three of us actually on tomorrow and you know
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you got four against Baltimore cheese that's that's that's brutal
[SPEAKER_00]: They mentioned again on the broadcast and we've been starting to see it on Twitter, not to Caracrochet, starting to throw more bullpens, looks like he's starting to ramp up a little bit, you know, not stretched out enough to make any starts yet, probably won't ever get to that point, at least when it matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess what I would ask is like, would you guys want to see Caracrochet out of the bullpen?
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I mean by that is,
[SPEAKER_00]: even if it's slightly rushed, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If the Red Sox get desperate here and they just need any kind of a boost, you know, they figure, okay, you crochet can be a two-in and a guy out of the bolt and is that something you'd want to see or would you rather just say, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather protect the investment, save them for next year, God willing, and the years beyond, and not risk him re-agrevading anything by trying to pitch out the bolt pen because
[SPEAKER_00]: If it seems like with this guy, he might try to come back too early and just that shoulder or oblique or whatever hell it is, is going to now get him again and it's just going to reset the clock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So would you be interested in seeing Garic Roche join the bullpen?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes or no?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I've kind of always been like I just says if they are 100%
[SPEAKER_01]: if it's not 100 percent, I would say no.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but I've kind of always been the guy like their athletes, if they say they're 100 percent and they can play, they should play and he would help us if he is 100 percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: But even if he's 90 percent and there's a little bit of doubt, I wouldn't rush it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So two things, you know, number one, he did say recently, it's probably about a week and a half ago that he doesn't think he'll pitch more than two innings at a time at any point this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number two, he's probably a couple weeks away at least, I would say.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what kind of a world are we going to be living in?
[SPEAKER_02]: At that point, you know, so I think that's going to play a major factor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he's just, his timeline is still too far away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the time he's ready to come back, you'll kind of hopefully know what your position is, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're either in the wild card and you know, you play in playoff baseball or you've somehow fallen out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, there's no reason to rush him along anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I'm not sure if you'll see crochet it all, the season even if it is out of the bullpen, but if they're in it and he's just like, yep, I feel great, you know, velocities there, there's no even, there's no red flags of any kind.
[SPEAKER_00]: then I say all hands on deck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean because I can the reality is we're probably not playing baseball for most of next year, maybe all of it, who knows, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if he's ready, you know, he's ready to go, he feels good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm all for it, but
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah if you're falling out of it the team is kind of limping to the finish line you know because you can always tell right we always talk about that twenty what was it twenty twenty three season under bloom or twenty twenty two and they made the playoffs and I said it was the fakeest playoff team I've ever seen like you can tell you can generally tell and it seems got a real chance to make some noise or if it's just
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're living into the playoffs and you're going to get spanked.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's that kind of team, just let him rest, you know, continue to rehab, don't rush him back.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they go on another run here like they didn't July, then, you know, if he's good, I'd say all hands on deck at that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was actually 2021.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I don't know who Garrett Crochet is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, he had a nice run last year, uh, Si Young runner up pitch pretty well in, in his one playoff start, took the L, but I, I think he only gave up like two runs, something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I don't know that he's going to run through a wall for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I don't know what his toughness level is.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's on the injured list this year, because that's where he's been for the bulk of his career.
[SPEAKER_02]: In my concern, I gave this take, you know, maybe last week, you know, is he just the type of guy that's comfortable on the injured list?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Chris Sale was comfortable on the injured list.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think David Price was comfortable on the injured list.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were shielded from hostility when they were on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, and then you get Chris sale out of a hostile environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Atlanta is a big market, but they're not insane like we are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, that's a very friendly atmosphere for him to thrive.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Dodgers kind of hid David Price in the bullpen for the couple of years.
[SPEAKER_02]: He pitched there, and he opted out of 2020, didn't even pitch that year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I hope I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just speculating.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I, I don't have a ton to really go on here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's a bummer that I don't have a ton to go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who is the real Garrett crochet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, um, at the end of last year or, you know, at the end of last regular season, I don't think anyone would have asked that everyone would have thought he's an ace.
[SPEAKER_01]: which I actually hear is, but there definitely is some questions that have of, is he just an injury guy, is this going to be it, can he go two full seasons in a row, those are questions now, and he needs to answer them, and he needs to go two full seasons in a row, I think, or those, or those, those will never go away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, more importantly, you need to go, like you said, two seasons in a row and do a consistently, because if he doesn't, John Henry's never signing a starting pitch or ever again in his life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he gave for a silly extension.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a disaster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ranger Suarez so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: mediocre returns, he hasn't been terrible, but lately he's been terrible, and now Gariprochet can't get on the fields.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say for the sake of Red Sox fans, Gariprochet has to get healthy and prove that he can be a big time starter in this league for two, three years in a row because
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big part of it too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get into the matchup for tomorrow, I did want to circle back to the Adley Rushment trade because Chad Tracy did his hit on WEI today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And basically said that Rushment's elbow is still in issue and then it will be an issue for pretty much the rest of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so very different from what we heard last week or to start the weekend where they said, oh, no, it's no issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just being cautious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tracy basically admitted today that yeah, the elbows can be a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the year, frankly, to me, that sounds like a guy who knows that he needs surgery in the offseason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't want to do it right now because, you know, they're trying to be whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: all hands on deck or the trying to manage it, but yeah, basically Rushman, that elbow's gonna be a problem all season long, doesn't make you feel any different about the trade than you did before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't, I mean, some trades don't work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you gotta take risks.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still a young guy that has a lot of years left on his deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's still great behind the plate, you know, and can he, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably still say Adley, you know, really tough spot in a big game, I'm probably still rather have Adley behind the play, but it's tough, he's having a tough tough go with it, obviously, it hasn't been good since he's come and it looks like it doesn't look like it's going to get any better if that's what they're talking about, I'm so.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first this last, you know, this first year that he's with us might not go his way might not go great, but he's still young enough where he has years left on his day or where he can actually produce for some of the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not giving up on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: two years ago, you know, if you told me, you're eventually Adley Rushman will be playing for the Boston Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be thump in my chest saying F. Yeah, but, you know, the production is declined.
[SPEAKER_02]: The injuries have piled up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in the last two seasons, he's gone on the injured list at least three or four times in each season.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of red flags and as Jason said earlier, you're pitching depth, you know, a lot of them went out the door in that trade, you know, and you gave up early in the me trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was probably lost for the season anyway, but I think this trade is going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a lot of dark clouds over Freslow's tenure here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that'll certainly be one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the frustrating thing to me was the whole month of July, we need a middle infield.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need a short stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we keep hearing all these names.
[SPEAKER_02]: We heard Lindor for about five seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we heard Zack Neto.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a ton of names thrown out and never at any point where we screaming from the mountain tops that we needed a catcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: And how many catchers have we ever had, honestly?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, you had a recent McGuire for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Connor Wong caught for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Saltilham, Okiya, David Ross.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Vazquez, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say he was a very good catcher for number year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you gotta, that's where you have to go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta, you gotta go back to, he was at least like a three year catcher, like, you know, like, well, 2018 through 2021.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then before that, I mean, people will say Victor Martinez and I guess it was fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just one season though.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was brief.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Veratek, you know, you just, we're just not a team that's been catcher heavy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I don't think Breslo address the needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... adequately and uh... he should have got a back end of the rotation picture i don't know who that would have been but someone that can give you five innings without getting killed even if it's three or four runs you know that that's that should have been a priority once all that depth one out the the door because like i said who's coming who's coming through that door next time you know
[SPEAKER_02]: what would have told me needs a start skipped here, you know, shortly, you got 22 games left.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I will see what happens, but the the rushment trade is is looking bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the earlier turns are really tough for the the Rushment Treaty wasn't productive when he was in the line up now.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's heard sounds like they're going to have to give him it's going to be him and Connor Wong basically Plotuning that catching position because I don't think Rushment can play backs back days at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it sounds like they know he's going to need some kind of procedure in the off season.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just don't want to do it right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, their depth is pretty thin, and I think they know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and yeah, they gave up, they did give up a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still am glad that Rushments here, because I still think the ceiling is so high on him that if he just cleans everything up and gets healthy, and you know, Zia would come in, God willing if there's baseball, come in and exploring totally healthy and kind of rejuvenated, I think he could be a cornerstone piece of the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you know, he's going to be a free agent coming up pretty soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'd love to see if Threadsawks would want to invest in him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm still glad he's here.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I will definitely say, yeah, massive overpay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is, you know, again, it's okay to admit that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a, but like before I would have said, yes, like overpay, but okay, the fact that it's
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because you sent the player to be named later, and it's an 18 year old outfielder, who was one of your prospects.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just some, you know, Joe Schmo.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, four prospects and a player for a guy who, now you have to spell every other day because he's kind of damaged goods.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's tough to go home with.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, for the rush to entrain, it's really gonna come down to what he does in the next several years.
[SPEAKER_00]: season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, you know, unfortunately, it's a bit of a waiting game, but we have short of due today and today it's looking pretty tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the set.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the scary irony here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Baltimore could knock you out of the playoffs after they
[SPEAKER_02]: You actually only have, yeah, he adlies a free agent in 2028.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's no baseball next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it just, he was a three month rental for everything you just sent out the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be pretty cruel to us to fight if Baltimore knocks you out of the playoffs and then they go to the playoffs and maybe knock out the Yankees who also want a freshman.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have a chance to do both so that I could get pretty interesting there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you're right, Russians are free agent 28.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's gonna be an interesting discourse when that rolls around, but luckily you've got a little bit of time until then.
[SPEAKER_00]: So until then Red Sox could have started winning games and winning them more consistently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's see if they can do that tomorrow after noon.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we got a four 10 start tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Red Sox is setting Patrick Sandival on the mound.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going up against Bryce Miller, who has not had a good year for the mayor.
[SPEAKER_00]: and there's actually kicked them to the bullpen, but now they're bringing them in to start this game.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Doug, I'll start with you on this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: How are you feeling about tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel great, but I feel good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I think we do even though say it all, it's been up and down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we do have the pitch in advance tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our offense still, we don't put up six runs tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: The offense still is hitting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I say, and the ball just has to keep it, you know, four, and I think I think we'll win this game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have to give the edge to the red socks here, um, you know, at least the animals looked okay in his last couple and Bryce hasn't looked okay since Bryce Miller hasn't looked okay since July 31st he's given up.
[SPEAKER_02]: six runs to the cubs five to the brewers five to the Yankees four to the tigers and then finally that last good start against the Minnesota twins on July 31 so but I'll say this if we lose that one if we don't win this one that's like that's that's scary
[SPEAKER_02]: And I doubt they're going to have moonios out of the pen.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a four out save yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he only came in for two today.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were low stress out, so maybe I shouldn't say never, but it's just not lining up too good from a pitching standpoint.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Mariners do have the hotter offense, and they're not
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, they're not mailing it in, like you would expect a team that's probably got very little chance of a playoff spot to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but give me the red socks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go red socks too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, reluctantly, again, you know, today took a lot of, tonight took a lot of wind out of my sales, but this mariner's team, I think it's just
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I don't know if it matters too much, but after the game, it is getaway, but Seattle has to fly all the way back home, so they're going back to Seattle.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a weekend series against the athletics, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it could be the kind of thing where Randy arose the rain yet, you know, has the day off, maybe Cal rally is the day off, you know, maybe they rest in guys in that line up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That might help a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with Doug.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Santa Vol just four runs or less and we should be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Red Sox offense, especially with the way Anthony and story are going, the way Mickey Casper is going, they can get to Bryce Miller and if they don't get to him, they'll get to the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terry as you mentioned, they're not going to have Munoz tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: He pitched too much the last two days.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the Red Sox have a good chance to win this game tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be ugly, it might be 96 in their favor, but at this point I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just get the win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go into Baltimore with some momentum because that weekend series is really going to be super important now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll give
[SPEAKER_00]: And as Terry mentioned, it's going to feed the three of us once again on the year after the game at some point tomorrow night, so keep an eye on your YouTube feeds see when we go live and come hang out with us and tell them