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[SPEAKER_01]: May-wise, the culture for Grace and Truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a camany.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm Christina.
[SPEAKER_02]: This table is the Bible Act Women and Four of Black women.
[SPEAKER_02]: So welcome to the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: See how you doing, girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm moving along.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can out the last bits of summer here, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And let me tell you, like, someone turned the sun on.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, crank that thing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crank it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is hot hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You mean the data setters?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say it's data center, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: You mean the data setters?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a one layer.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit too polluted hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna wrap a loop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zero to a gas emissions, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is just trauma left for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually not funny, but...
[SPEAKER_01]: tremolo.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you got to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you raise your voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do what?
[SPEAKER_01]: You do your things, but guys, it's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to show, like what?
[SPEAKER_02]: We raise our voice, we do it, but what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Balls and fusions, balls and fusions.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is not what we're going to talk about, but what we should be talking about is, what can we eat now in the U.S.?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, take tax and fairy dust.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, we get a nationwide fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, that's really what we need.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I think that's the moral, and you know, I'm talking about a fast all 26.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we did a fast at our local- Honestly, that's what I do believe in.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to, by the way, that's not the, we're not saying that as the answer to the lack of regulations or food, I'm just saying, in general, we need to,
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, is that, that's my little, you try to tell us on the we need to fast and set Closer.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's always in order.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I hope you didn't want blueberry today That's all I have to say about I know it's not very blueberry's on the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Blueberry people are serious about they're like banana people like, you know people people have their thing that they're like I've got to get my potassium
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a game, you know, memory, DNA repair, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: is the black Christian, well let me say it, let me tell you this one, the black Christian starter pack, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: The black Christian starter pack.
[SPEAKER_02]: What, what, what, what, do we need, what do you bring, what, what, what, what's in your, or maybe not what we need, but what's in there?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's in our pocket, you know, what's in your, what's in your
[SPEAKER_02]: So that is so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is in your fatty pack?
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you come a Christian, when you come a black Christian, like, well, what's the starter pack?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a fun little.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, episode about, you know, the things and stuff, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, honestly, the first thing that comes to mind, there was in my black Christian starter pack is my Bible holder, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we could see what she's holding up right now for the folks who would like to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why you have to her pretty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've had this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sheets.
[SPEAKER_02]: I came to faith.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more than just more than gently use.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's unjustly, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: My Bible holder, I got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is real old school.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, because people laugh at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.
[SPEAKER_02]: All things are passed away.
[SPEAKER_01]: things are coming, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even before you open the Bible, the Bible cover or the Bible jacket gives you a word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've got one that is like, God is in her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm sick of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look for you with fluffy roses all around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because a rose is still a rose, and it's talking about a place, but whatever, I'm saying it's talking about me in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's talking about you take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it,
[SPEAKER_02]: So that is definitely the first thing that was in my black Christian girl started with my Bible hold up, holding my paper Bible, that's old school because I know a lot of folks use the Bible app and there's nothing wrong with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I still carry my paper Bible with me to touch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: and use it on the daily what's in y'all what's in your christian style pancreas well if i i'm i'm opening up my my fanny pack from back in the day when i became i think a very consciously minded follower of Jesus
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that I would have probably had in there several crumbles up church bulletins with whole gear notes and things and just, you know, those church, now I still hold on to a church bulletin here and then I, and I definitely hold on to a funeral bulletin, Maga.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is black history.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a necessary thing that you keep.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that is what would be in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be
[SPEAKER_01]: Church bulletins that might have some some notes from the sermon that I would never go back and look at But that you wouldn't ever go by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, probably not because before I had time Bam, here's another set of notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't say like bam.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the next Sunday band But I will tell this tough folks to shout out to writing by hand because writing by hand
[SPEAKER_01]: You just scribble, you just scribble here and there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is probably inside my black Christian starter kit is going to be, because you know why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I went to church, because I went to church bulletin.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you can't, you can't get a physical church bulletin, unless you go into the building.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't go into the building.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't go into church bulletin anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we still do bulletins now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, y'all do, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still got paper, we still got paper over.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I still got some church bulletins in my,
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course you did.
[SPEAKER_02]: You better know I sure do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still I got notes from Honey 2011 up in here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You taught my I mean, I I want you to know saying like continue to hold on hold to go man affirmations Biblical affirmations.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same word.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all the things girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was at oh my gosh I still I got some stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have that you have envelopes for your offerings
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not have it on my mind from off in here, not in here, oh yeah, here it goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The bulletin.
[SPEAKER_02]: My mama.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, from listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a bonafide church girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it doesn't send a date.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this got to be from my 2000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: This got to be, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: This got to be from like, oh wait, don't play with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, oh, look at the notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The notes, the notes on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, writing for Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were writing that pin.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Inman ship to the glory of God on those notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see a date though.
[SPEAKER_02]: like the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see like actual dates for like when remission like you should send a side and read it to see like I don't read it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just take it a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said, I don't remember the last time I've seen a real a church books and except for at a home going series.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't like you know, if I go visit another church or whatever, even my, we don't get that physical bulletin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, we do, we do physical, I mean, they are a lot of folks who may not take them, but it that typically they have like QR codes on them for a ministry sign up or save the dates for work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it might have, depending on who's preaching, they might have like a couple points where you can do a fill in the blank or fill in a word.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sometimes want to, when my husband preaches, sometimes will even do like a fill in the word, like he'll have the sentence and then you can't put the word in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because you do have to trick the
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm the people, so yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, the bulletin, you took me back with that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bulletin, the bulletin, followed by that church fan as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what about you, what else is in this, again, we're thinking about, kind of, what are the essentials?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the essentials?
[SPEAKER_01]: They are, oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, are the essentials.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the really cultural.
[SPEAKER_01]: That are in this heistotic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for different people who are listening, right, who have maybe have a different church
[SPEAKER_01]: They might get some different stuff, but we're talking about what we got because it's our show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what else does inside that sorry kid?
[SPEAKER_01]: A lap cloth.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now, that's honestly, I think that's a particular tradition.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a particular tradition.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have not used a lot plus in a minute, but that's also because, you know, my outfits don't call for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, me and that is fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I'm not just not just wearing black cloth, the ensembles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: When it calls for that, then I will grab my lot plus then.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, and for the people who don't know, people who don't know,
[SPEAKER_01]: What is a lab cloth, potentially made out of, how is it size, why would one apply one, and the for the people who are already judging it, who feel like that is a product of purity, culture, and maybe in some cases, is what, what say you master the lab cloth, or historian, his correction, historian of the lab cloth, what, how would you educate them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the lap-ploth is, you know, a cloth that's made, but there are different variations, but, you know, it tends to be kind of a not a maybe out of a satin, you know, type of material.
[SPEAKER_02]: It depends.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's different kinds, but but the one I got is a satin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember if it has my my initials on it or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's next level.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, um, and then it has a doily, sometimes outlined.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just the kind of like, you know, the lace detail.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lace detail, the trim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's a sizeable, um, you could fold it up and put it in your purse.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could fold it up and put it in your clutch if you want to use a clutch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it is used, you know, to put on your lap, hence the name, lap cloth, to cover your knees, cover your legs, if your dress is a bit short, um, or if you're short, whatever you happen to be wearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's a little too short, um, and let's go with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever my name, how did the shirt ever be, it's just no such thing, no such thing, no such thing,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness, how dare you say that one way could ever cause any forms of attention or recognition?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't wear what you want to wear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong, but what you wear is communicate things and you have to control the language or what you want it to mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me give that disclaimer.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you put on a lot of clothes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're just trying to dress your dress a little bit much, it's like, ah, it's a little high.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me just put this left cloth on a little high.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it covers, you know, you know, the legs, you may not want to show all your thigh meat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're more sure all you have to take the 10 o'clock service.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people could, in their part, their place is where it would be fine to show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I meet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, you know, just, you know, just a little minus the another, that's, that's a little hundred percent, you know, that's a bad word, you know, to be honest, that's about, but yeah, I do have not, I have not used it in the wild though.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, anyway, but I got it if you need it, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but you know, all the related note, not only the lap claw, but a slip.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I am the kind of woman that owns slips.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I slip, I'm a slip owner.
[SPEAKER_01]: A slip, you is a, how can you say, I, I've got to have thin, little underskirt, I think you can be the fact that you got to teach us what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to play with a slip is because I know everybody doesn't know what a slip is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, first of all, the slips are not easy to find these days too, but I do got a slip and that's for, you know, when you're closing, might be a little bit too transparent,
[SPEAKER_01]: then use that cheat material.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's a little cheat transparent, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Be like, well, well, friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is my underground showing through this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We put on that slit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that covers it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of how I use, honestly.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to think, but I guess sometimes you could use it if the dress is short, but I use it more so like, just if there's any sort of level transparency that shouldn't be there and it's like a little hot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm already about to be out the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: They put us in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's how I use it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kristen, how would you explain this, just slip it out of your use it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, well, it is an undergarment, not meant to be seen, but to be worn, thus an undergarment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, they come in different lengths and different tones.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a classic black and white.
[SPEAKER_01]: slip and I also have various shades of slips.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have shoutouts of my grandmother a white slip, which I is just there for memorabilia's sake.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not need a white slip.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, and you can get, you know, half slips, you can get slips that have a little spinks in them, for their different fabrics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Typically they have that, there's a looseness to them, but some people
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say, at Agree with you, I think typically, it gives you an extra layer if you're clothing isn't built with an extra layer already in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have that built into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was having the lining.
[SPEAKER_01]: If your outfit is not lined in the way that it was built out by the seamstress, however, there are some people who just wear a slip.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter if the dress has lining or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is kind of just like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a part of the undergarment to process for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like how back in the day folks will put them panty holes on panty holes, taking it back, panty holes, and so yeah, I mean, I got some slipshakes, thanks, I got some slipshakes, so that's in the starter kit kit for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: panty hose, I don't remember the last time I wore panty I was a bit of a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I typically, that would be like a fall type of situation, you know, because I have all the little designs and stuff, it's been a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's maybe anybody here, so, but usually winter fall that might make a cameo.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's true, that's true for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do, I do have, I have panty hose, I have tights, I have fish nets, I don't know, I have a collection of
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a woman of a philosophical serene age, so I have a drawer of hosery and a drawer of slips.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you got a whole collection.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm from another time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what's in your side of pack?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's in my side?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying this.
[SPEAKER_01]: was good to have in my startup, but it was in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I was an over-depth pet, you are probably going to see some frequent watching of Christian television.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I have memories, particularly in the early 2000s, shout out to the 9, 9, 2000s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh, money's taken over.
[SPEAKER_02]: No juvenile stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see your brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see you in my final line.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the greatest pieces history.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's getting remixed in Jesus' name.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the point is... Yeah, I remember coming home from graduate school and the TV was still on left from early that morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was... TBN.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a hold, he had a hold on to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I, I, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how I know that the Lord can hit a straight, lick with a crooked stick and we get glory to God for all the things and working through certain conditions about because I believe that there were amongst all the happenings on that network and there was a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a whole dissertation about the hook and the crooked number.
[SPEAKER_01]: white Christian nationalisms in the propaganda and confusions and the saints all around the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very, the prosperity always, they were, yeah, the kings and queens of the, probably, I always meet some money right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I ever get to meet them, but like, open up your wallet, open up your wallet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she goes in the words of the African angels, which is...
[SPEAKER_01]: The African angels are fine with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling that they're fine with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so she can say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But all that to say is, yeah, that would have been, that was definitely in the start of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just TV in, but there are many other networks too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that I think that in that starter kit there is a desire for people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about for real, like the people that really like the joy of the salvation, like the freshness in Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, give me everything christiany and they're not yet at a place of having a discerning filter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're kind of taking things.
[SPEAKER_01]: In some ways, sometimes, I mean, branskaking new Christians can be a tough, they can be, they can be legalistic, but they can
[SPEAKER_01]: and um, and unbitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they could be like, you're a believer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I've, oh, tell me about your story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to learn from you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they may not be, we may not necessarily think about, um, this could be a hook still a shy stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We might be venting like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's some fear and we're taking it all this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm back on a lot of you like deaf, deaf, and not, Lee, a Diversity, I'm talking about that of thoughts of theological perspectives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: That time you would you would get the whole gamut.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I remember one need a button on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, CC, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, just again, you can name anybody, I don't know what they got going on now, but that's what was going on, so yeah, that's good, that's good, that's where you're eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I mean, I think this obvious, the Christian started back for me was like, well, for me, when I came to faith, this was the time when we had CDs, you know, and I, you know, I actually did not, I threw away some CDs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not throw away all my CDs, but my collection was all gospel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember getting like a, a compilation, one of my first gospel albums was of course Kirk Franklin's.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you what you looking for was that okay, was that the title of the album?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good for making up some stuff anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've made all these from having it on there I mean yeah, I had that
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's that, that's not $2,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be, that's definitely going to be a Christian blood Christian start of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also like the gospel compilation CD, I remember getting that when I went to a campus ministry at Cal State Northridge and when I came back from when I was living Bible study, they gave
[SPEAKER_02]: me that I don't know if I had made a confession of faith or are not then or maybe they just go a little bit to me and you know first time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Might be a first time or I had that Bible study anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got that CD and I remember I wore it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like as a Kyle Walker was on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We made it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We survived.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell Ben Lodden.
[SPEAKER_02]: We made it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: So if that song was on there, the Rinda Clark Cole, if they had not been from the Lord, anything with this compilation CD, I'm sure it's somewhere in my big old CD case, but that is definitely part of my Christian starter pack is, you know, my music, my music, music, music, music, taste, sorry, changing a bit and moving and bringing in more gospel, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: My rapists, but really when I really came to faith, all I did was listen to us in my hip hoppers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all I did was really really listen to gospel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when I first came.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, you know, you're TPM.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, all day, all day, all day, gospel, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
[SPEAKER_02]: When you first come, come to faith, I do, I think you need it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to block the world's world.
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to get rooted, you know, get rooted, and you know, and then you can discern.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do, you can discern as you mature.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, that, I'm using, I have some thoughts about that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we think about what is in our black Christian starter kit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tongue my Christian starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And why am I cackling?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we had just started recording the second half of this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we weren't recording it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were just having a blast of a conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry that you weren't a part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, sorry, run it back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can share with you what's in my stomach.
[SPEAKER_01]: What will be talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was saying how music, that there's still music that's very much, and my starter pack, and you were talking about, I was still talking about the official, you know, as a guy, I was, you know, I made it with your rivals, like, man, and it's so, it is very, yeah, early, up, 2000, coded, it was just like, y'all are doing this, cause y'all wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's because it's like 9.11, but yeah, we were talking about, you know, the need for, of course, you know, your love black gospel when you were talking about early this week, the right between you like, I need a mental support.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I think it's kind of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I believe in when I think black gospel that I'm like black gospel that springs from the fountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: of Negro spirit tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It went by the jazz and blues house.
[SPEAKER_01]: It started with the Negro and then it went by the jazz and blues.
[SPEAKER_01]: It picked up the sounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I do need a mezzo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need her all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need her all through the corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I need to hit that note randomly in the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: She knows exactly what to do with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the kind of problems I have, and so sometimes the songs that just, they're too esoteric for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, you know, we're talking, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking, I don't know what we're talking about, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're talking about the attributes of God, sometimes we're
[SPEAKER_01]: So I need the weightiness, and bring back the bezel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bring back the woman, she got one job, she know what to do, she makes it happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when she hits that note, you're like, okay, I was sitting, but I need to sing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you need to get up?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a compel with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It moved you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The mezzo soprano is in the tertiary tradition I grew up in.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is in the that's that's that's starter kit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know have you got a good religion certainly but she's in the starter kit.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what what else what else could you do?
[SPEAKER_01]: What what's what's the next?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the next starter kit for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: My nine when I first came in fame.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was this cute, cute, cute, cute kind of, I don't know how to, like, holographic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had this silver kind of holographic kind of look this tambourine and, and that's quickly as I got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can just let it go because honey, that first time that I realized, oh, you can't play the tambourine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I handed it over what it takes practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a real instrument.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't practice by.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have the juice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go on at the spiritual gift of pleasure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I passed it on to my roommate, who is a lean, mean Tamarine play machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: She beat the mess out of that Tamarine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love a tambourine man because I love hearing a tambourine in service.
[SPEAKER_02]: That will make me go, uh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't let us thank you, Chef.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would've got that, that I love a good, tambourine, and service, and shout out to our friend Leah, who is a lean, mean, tambourine plan to sing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I listen, I'm telling you, Leah, don't play about those tambourines.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have seen the symbols fly across sanctuary.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like...
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really, you're anointed to praise them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lucy, and I tell you, I'm okay with you, I have, I too have body instruments that I like why it's cannot play such as the harmonica that is sitting in a living room right now because I do believe in you to bring back harmonica.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't tell me that you love seeing you wonder and you don't want to bring back harmonica.
[SPEAKER_02]: I promise you, when I think about the harmonica, think about Stevie Wonder, I'm sure all the odd is at play.
[SPEAKER_02]: I associate the harmonica with Stevie Wonder.
[SPEAKER_01]: No joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like there's no way that you are not like.
[SPEAKER_01]: funky soul or folksy like you have like you got to have some grit and I think there are certainly non black folks who can pull out of harmonic stuff but they got to be like folk they got to be folksy like they got to have you know they got to have like what are they what they call a white soul they got they have to have you just can't be a red nurse you you got to be funky and you got to be in the you got to be in the you got to bend through something to play that so obviously I'm not vendor enough
[SPEAKER_01]: That joint needs skill like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just don't pick it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, I'm just gonna pick it up and go down I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was like no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do I'm you need skill.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do do skill.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's still by them I have multiple harmonies
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got African drums, I've got...
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be ready for that, not the redden, and you've got no way in your head, strong in your head, strong in your head, strong in your head, you don't know when it's gonna happen, but you just might be a last time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, it's a very sobering and scary statement, but it's not wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and yet, let's worship out of love and you go out of jail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, he's like, no, I just think you're going to, you just got to be ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to come, but you got to come in with a spirit of worship.
[SPEAKER_02]: A posture, a worship ready to worship the Lord God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because y'all don't love them, because you get ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to go by a sit down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just be ready man, because when they, you know, because I've tried to, what should we should not have the pump, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, prime the pump to get you to worship the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: God's been good to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here you go, you're shaking the turn, you're making that.
[SPEAKER_01]: God's been good to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, this is like, you know, you're whole wheat.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're coming in your goins.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's why this, that's why this, this first of all, the Psalmist is the original.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, come in here with these instruments, and in this way, with this gratitude, and we actually do need instructions because we do have to get the sloth of the world, and the neighbors and then,
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, no, no, I just know it's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get I got the vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you need to run that by the one who you say you're worshiping is what you need to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So although I hunt a hunt, I'm with you on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: We fully review and we stand against spiritual abuse and untimeness and let me give that this question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and manipulation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do appreciate clarity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: The people of God actually are called into worship.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what I call a contouring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we ain't called to watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not called a speculating.
[SPEAKER_01]: We call to participation to give what God is to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so let's say, don't give me the mic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, me the mic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm all yell you don't love them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I might yell if you do love them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everybody worships differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's not going to run around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's not going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's not going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's not going
[SPEAKER_01]: and worship him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which by the way, that doesn't mean that God has forgotten about you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're sending it to yourself over to the one who has got his eye on you, so you don't have to deal with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in all your problems and service, okay, worship the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm with you on that, and I'm not offended by the assertive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, raise leader.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not offended.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just need to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, yes, the CDs.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys have sermons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, CDs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was in a church that had a book for one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would we got a sermons and a ministry?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because we are, because we are church CDs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think, well, I think also when you would go to any way visit a church for the first time, if they had the resources, you had your ability, you had your little thing about the church or whatever they could give you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also that might include a cassette or a CD.
[SPEAKER_01]: okay you can continue to hear the preacher and um and what I thought is actually really helped and they'll give you the sermon from that day from that Sunday so you could go and request it and when you requested it sometimes they would get your information that in way it was a system it was a charity registration system.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not everybody had this going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get that, but that is something I remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I would, I could collect those, sorry, I had some of that, the CDs and the tapes and all the things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even play the cassette tapes right now, but I'm sure I have something in this house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, but I think that is also why we think about how certain messages for the good and the bad can go viral.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, if you had a particular signature sermon, it would kind of move through different church spaces, and the language that was in the sermon, like the catchphrase, or a particular point, or a sermon title, would become like immersed in the church culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you get in particular segments of the church.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like like certain seasons certain moments.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when praise this go up less is come down I mean what people start to say in it because obviously somebody said it in a song I said it and then grab a whole other right, so then you get you get gospel music then who gets informed by sermons And vice versa
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can listen to people's lyrics in their songs, and you can tell the teaching influences that they're under, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now I think we're much more, you know, it's just so much content.
[SPEAKER_02]: So democratize now because there's so much content out there all over the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was a time I do miss.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost as if it's the same thing with the streaming thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it literally is the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just like, remember there were times where it's like, okay, now we all sit in that hall and we all watch in the Grammys.
[SPEAKER_02]: together.
[SPEAKER_02]: We watch the VMAs together.
[SPEAKER_02]: We watch in B. D. Whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like living color.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is color shows whatever was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just collected.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you knew we all got the same 10 channels at this back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, whatever this before, you know, direct TV and all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had all these 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, but you have that collective experience together, but in your own households, and then you come to school, you talk with those things, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing, really with church, you know, there was those conferences and those things, and there was no more sheets.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was such a human, that moved across all kinds of black, black church world, that moved across all kinds of denominations.
[SPEAKER_02]: denominations all types I mean cross over you talking about my god and there's just there's just some sermons that you hear that you know Ooh, this is that person's seminal sermon Yeah, you can just pick it up if you've been walk on the lower along and you've been in the church long enough You know a seminal sermon when you do one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait a couple weeks ago
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a simple challenge right there, you know, and I just, I missed that, you know, I do miss, yeah, I missed that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we don't get that experience anymore because, right, you know, we don't have that, that communal, you know, intimate kind of experience now, just because everything, and I'm not, you know, but grudging, I'm grateful that I have access to so many different voices that front of good and bad of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can listen to different sermons and Christina can tell me a link, I can send a link and that is a blessing, right, and blessed by the multitude of preaching machines out there, but there was something, there was something about
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Having that CD here in the voice in that house in, you know, a tuning here to that discerning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, do I want to be in this church?
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, I think the word, I would like to go on to another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, anyway, those are some things that we've, I think we just don't have any, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't typically have, and because there's not,
[SPEAKER_01]: really need for it anymore, but yeah, well, if I make sure I'm heavy visited a church where it's not maybe it's not the lead teaching preacher or maybe it's it happens to be like a you know, or something, you know, and that's not not to knock the youth team, but God bless the youth and children, but I'm saying it may be like an eight typical Sunday and so when they gave you that CD or that cassette, it gave you a better sense of like this is this is what it will sound, this
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because a lot of people really are one and done, if I look at like, church people that are trying to experience a church to figure out like that first Sunday that they try a church really has to have all the ingredients for people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most people don't give a church another Sunday.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the lead pastor is not there and they've got a good word about them, they might go like, okay, I'm going to give it again, give it another Sunday to see if they're there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But typically, if they're not making the contact with hospitality,
[SPEAKER_01]: if it doesn't, you know, even things like if it's not clean, like there's all kinds of list of things that people are that are looking for.
[SPEAKER_01]: That very first Sunday or they're like, yeah, I'm going to be just have so many stuff in so many options.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the dating apps.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will, yeah, I mean actually the word in the street is that they does it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does not have the options, but the point is there are options.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are lots of options.
[SPEAKER_01]: The antithesis of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yes, exactly exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the behavior of the church.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know some might say it is like the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, good judges can be hard to come by.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also like this like in being able to like discern what it is like what you know what what must be here What must I have here and then other things become things that you might squint your eyes about
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's that's all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at least for now that I got to my starter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's start a pat.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about you?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a lower work with that starter pack and and and use it to to to bless us and Yeah, and it's still adding adding all kinds of things to where we are on the journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a big old tote bag.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think
[SPEAKER_01]: of additional things, Bible commentaries, and he were in Greek words, because I might let me let me let me let me let that up you preach in that real heart you preach in that side point let me check it out for myself so we have to have we have to have you preach in a gravy and not to stake let me check it out myself right so I do like some gravy but I mean
[SPEAKER_01]: We would just think we gonna live off some state too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of that is in the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am so curious although I can't see it's a peer from other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder about what is in there, what they resonated with, what they're like that makes that I don't understand that at all, and also what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what and maybe this is the question to consider.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were the person that was building someone else's star kid, we can conclude with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: building someone else to start a kit as they are on their journey, new in the faith.
[SPEAKER_01]: What would you say did a sister to your brother?
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to make sure you have this in your bag as you turn you with Jesus.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go, food for thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would you put in your fellow brother or sister's starter pack?
[SPEAKER_02]: Chris should start a pack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what is in your Christian starter pack?
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope this episode got you to think back, you know, whether that's a year ago, when you came to faith or six months ago, or 20 years ago, what did your Christian starter pack?
[SPEAKER_02]: What has remained?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you'll start a pair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever you let go get up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, this was this was fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was a good time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so of course we want to thank y'all for taking a seat at the table with us this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep the conversation going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let us know what a y'all question started.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what would you put into y'all fellow states a starter pack?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye y'all.