WEBVTT 00:00.171 --> 00:03.193 [SPEAKER_04]: Paul really had his left testicle removed, but he keeps saying it was his tooth. 00:04.034 --> 00:06.916 [SPEAKER_03]: I was, I had my left hemorrhag to remove. 00:07.256 --> 00:08.337 [SPEAKER_03]: See, even the right one for later. 00:08.557 --> 00:12.180 [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you think I'm eating plums so I can, you know, soft their shits? 00:12.480 --> 00:13.781 [SPEAKER_03]: Been plopping bricks too much. 00:33.995 --> 00:36.056 [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome everyone to the high carbon podcast. 00:36.076 --> 00:55.706 [SPEAKER_04]: We have back this week full house and we have a guest for you But first we're gonna go quickly into what we did this week Probably even missed an action for a while want you let us know what you did and keep it under like 20 minutes So impossible fucking I will tell you okay quick quick recap 00:56.486 --> 01:03.949 [SPEAKER_03]: I got a tooth extract, it was infected, got pus and shit like that and there wasn't very talkative. 01:04.550 --> 01:07.671 [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess my girlfriend was very happy about it. 01:07.691 --> 01:12.813 [SPEAKER_03]: But it does not turn out to, you know, to do podcasts and shit like that without feeling better. 01:14.494 --> 01:21.437 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I will order some stabilized mammoth ivory or something like that to make a new tooth, you know, it's kind of important tooth. 01:21.497 --> 01:22.558 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not up front tooth. 01:23.018 --> 01:43.993 [SPEAKER_03]: But if you come to me and I've show us that I can definitely show you the place, if you want it, I don't think so, good day, yeah, of course, get that, that, today was fucking terrible day, it was shit storm, it was, I did not prepare any games today, no, but that, if I'd walk, you will, maybe you'll give me a pass today, 01:44.873 --> 01:59.218 [SPEAKER_03]: Today started by listening to the last episode of High Carbon Podcast, and I have a so fucking bummed out that I missed 20mins to do a blade, because you were talking, and I was like, I could feel the pressure. 01:59.258 --> 02:02.239 [SPEAKER_04]: I could feel you like, Pauli would be jumping in here asking him million questions. 02:03.099 --> 02:05.680 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I had to million questions, and I was like, 02:05.925 --> 02:16.332 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, why they are not asking more, why they are not asking more and it could easily have been like two hours, so I was I was pulling out my hairs. 02:17.153 --> 02:21.976 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, today, today was, I mean, it's just, it's a fucking sucked. 02:22.336 --> 02:28.641 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, I had like one order to shoot out and it's by day for one of my kitchen knives that I meet five years ago. 02:29.656 --> 02:43.491 [SPEAKER_03]: so it came in for sharpening and I do some polishing on that and of course I am preparing for knife show Austria, so I am machining handles, I am fucking machining handles, shut up handles because I am bringing shut up inventory in there. 02:44.662 --> 02:58.658 [SPEAKER_03]: So I go to the shop, okay, first, I need to start the CNC at my super ultra mega plate of my carter, so I have plenty of material, you know it for the CNC work for like four hours. 02:59.098 --> 03:02.602 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you do that and you fuck off and go do other shit. 03:03.423 --> 03:04.104 [SPEAKER_03]: So I put it there. 03:05.038 --> 03:07.822 [SPEAKER_03]: then I go, I go do the spade for the kitchen knife. 03:08.463 --> 03:11.267 [SPEAKER_03]: Easy peasy sharpening by the way, I got new equipment for sharpening. 03:11.888 --> 03:13.110 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'll tell you about later. 03:14.612 --> 03:16.094 [SPEAKER_03]: So sharpen it up, polish it up. 03:16.755 --> 03:17.316 [SPEAKER_03]: Be beautiful. 03:18.062 --> 03:18.802 [SPEAKER_03]: Fucking beautiful. 03:19.402 --> 03:20.042 [SPEAKER_03]: I package it up. 03:20.743 --> 03:30.385 [SPEAKER_03]: I go to print the sticker for the parcel bullshit, you know Try to print it the printer does not printed the thermal printer does not fucking work. 03:30.565 --> 03:35.646 [SPEAKER_03]: It does not work and I have no idea why not It's like the Mac sees it. 03:36.386 --> 03:37.766 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it is like offline. 03:38.486 --> 03:39.827 [SPEAKER_03]: It's off fucking line. 03:40.567 --> 03:40.587 [SPEAKER_03]: I 03:41.487 --> 04:02.561 [SPEAKER_03]: it needs to be connected to the Wi-Fi in the same network, yeah, the other, so I think maybe it had no disconnected from the router because we had some issues because we had a storm and parents needed to replace their modem and I have like this huge network of gateways that, you know, create big networks and everything is connected in there. 04:02.961 --> 04:05.783 [SPEAKER_03]: So basically a highway of Ethernet connection. 04:10.525 --> 04:11.105 [SPEAKER_03]: does not work. 04:12.105 --> 04:13.186 [SPEAKER_03]: The bullshit does not work. 04:13.566 --> 04:15.266 [SPEAKER_03]: It cannot connect the router again. 04:16.006 --> 04:16.947 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's invisible. 04:17.007 --> 04:19.287 [SPEAKER_03]: And I have no idea I tried to connect it via Bluetooth. 04:20.187 --> 04:27.629 [SPEAKER_03]: Then I have to install some bullshit drivers on the Mac that is like outdated OS X version that I have no drivers. 04:28.449 --> 04:30.930 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, maybe I can connect it directly via Wi-Fi. 04:31.725 --> 04:33.506 [SPEAKER_03]: can't connect it directly. 04:33.887 --> 04:36.209 [SPEAKER_03]: So I go, okay, I need to figure it out. 04:36.709 --> 04:40.332 [SPEAKER_03]: I go to the router settings, blah, blah, blah, open it up. 04:42.333 --> 04:52.522 [SPEAKER_03]: Apparently, it needs that the firmware update, I do the update, it connects, took me like two hours to figure out and find out how to connect, it prints out the label. 04:53.102 --> 04:56.805 [SPEAKER_03]: Then I go quickly to the shop to check something, right? 04:57.025 --> 04:58.546 [SPEAKER_03]: I go to the check something, 05:01.495 --> 05:02.635 [SPEAKER_03]: And I hear the terrible noise. 05:03.195 --> 05:04.056 [SPEAKER_03]: MOOOOO! 05:04.556 --> 05:06.196 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, what the fuck is that? 05:06.436 --> 05:07.257 [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck is that? 05:07.497 --> 05:13.858 [SPEAKER_03]: I see my CNC fucking contouring and doing a handle in the fucking middle of another handle. 05:13.918 --> 05:15.819 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, what the fuck? 05:16.599 --> 05:17.800 [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck is happening? 05:17.840 --> 05:19.240 [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of ruining my fixture. 05:19.900 --> 05:26.202 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh no, oh no, I just fixed the printer bullshit. 05:26.902 --> 05:28.604 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I have to deal with this bullshit, right? 05:28.864 --> 05:31.728 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's supposed to run like, for like four hours. 05:32.468 --> 05:36.433 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, okay, then fast forward four hours. 05:37.314 --> 05:43.181 [SPEAKER_03]: I was this assembling this CNC and apparently the bearings at the end of the Y ball screw. 05:43.721 --> 05:46.484 [SPEAKER_03]: They did not see up, but they sometimes he's up. 05:47.270 --> 05:52.937 [SPEAKER_03]: And because this access uses a non-closed loop, it's an open loop, a stepper. 05:53.317 --> 05:54.518 [SPEAKER_03]: So it can have any jams. 05:55.099 --> 06:01.186 [SPEAKER_03]: It can lose its position, and when it unjams, it continues to go, but it thinks that it is in a totally different position. 06:01.666 --> 06:03.909 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's why there was an officer. 06:04.930 --> 06:20.785 [SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to figure out how to remove the ball bearings, how to disassemble the y-axis at all, and like you don't, you cannot lose accuracy inside of it, because I really have to, you know, just lose all of my big plate of my character that I was machining. 06:21.285 --> 06:22.126 [SPEAKER_03]: So I disassembled it. 06:22.867 --> 06:25.850 [SPEAKER_03]: I have bought these bearings for the anti-parency. 06:27.051 --> 06:29.193 [SPEAKER_03]: I look, it's just so small. 06:29.273 --> 06:29.553 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, 06:30.654 --> 06:35.817 [SPEAKER_03]: Max, like four centimeters in diameter, two ball bearings, costed me like 120 euros. 06:36.237 --> 06:37.858 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, and they are made in India. 06:38.799 --> 06:42.201 [SPEAKER_03]: I am like, how, why, why? 06:43.402 --> 06:47.204 [SPEAKER_03]: So I dismount the ball screw and I go to the variant. 06:48.265 --> 06:50.726 [SPEAKER_03]: I look at it and think, how should I mount them? 06:51.186 --> 06:54.548 [SPEAKER_03]: And apparently it's a very gentle press with which is fine. 06:55.753 --> 07:06.344 [SPEAKER_03]: and then I go to mount it, try to screw everything together, and the ball bearings start to dismount, like the center starts to move from the cage, right? 07:06.685 --> 07:10.288 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's moving outside of it, like what the fuck? 07:10.629 --> 07:13.312 [SPEAKER_03]: And apparently, these bearings are directional. 07:13.812 --> 07:23.459 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they have a lip on the inside ring, on one side, and they don't have on the other, because I was thinking, yeah, it's just a ball bearing, no, it's just a groove and it does not matter. 07:23.960 --> 07:38.591 [SPEAKER_03]: So I fixed them, put them together again, strip a screw, put it everything back together, and it was like eight in the evening, and it looks like the same machine is fingers crossed 07:41.524 --> 07:52.689 [SPEAKER_03]: So the whole day I was just eating shit, fixing one bullshit after the other, and people who are wondering, yes, my quick fix for the air compressor is still working. 07:52.709 --> 07:58.992 [SPEAKER_04]: So you got a little bit of a little bit of a camera on that label situation, because I had an order from Bulgaria last week. 07:59.952 --> 08:12.772 [SPEAKER_04]: uh, and I wrote to you like how the hell am I supposed to print this label out with Bulgarian script as a whatever the hell language that the guy sent me for his address uh, and you were complaining that I had a cheap label printer and then yours broke so that's karma for you. 08:13.674 --> 08:15.856 [SPEAKER_03]: No, look, mine did not broke. 08:16.137 --> 08:17.978 [SPEAKER_03]: It was an in network issue, okay? 08:18.199 --> 08:20.020 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just how I set up the network. 08:20.721 --> 08:21.702 [SPEAKER_03]: Everything worked in the end. 08:22.503 --> 08:27.007 [SPEAKER_03]: It was actually a router issue because they needed a software update. 08:27.448 --> 08:31.432 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why they were not easy, easy VPS connecting to each other. 08:32.012 --> 08:32.893 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's what's wonderfully. 08:33.173 --> 08:36.236 [SPEAKER_03]: I highly recommend buying the broader thermal printer. 08:36.256 --> 08:37.056 [SPEAKER_03]: Just spend the money. 08:37.237 --> 08:38.197 [SPEAKER_03]: Just spend the money. 08:38.217 --> 08:38.778 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're awesome. 08:38.798 --> 08:39.078 [SPEAKER_03]: So good. 08:39.639 --> 08:45.103 [SPEAKER_04]: Especially if you have a shipping program tied in with your store, they just pump those labels out. 08:45.984 --> 08:46.444 [SPEAKER_04]: And they're great. 08:46.985 --> 08:48.126 [SPEAKER_04]: I think a quick really fast. 08:48.486 --> 08:49.007 [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, me good. 08:50.248 --> 08:53.430 [SPEAKER_04]: I also got a, I got also kind of cool toy this week. 08:53.951 --> 08:57.454 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually, I got it last week, but it's one of those like, 08:58.498 --> 09:03.760 [SPEAKER_04]: things for cardboard boxes that you can break them down or like choose them up until like packaging material. 09:04.340 --> 09:10.062 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like an accordion this thing and it was awesome because not having my driver's license for a while. 09:10.202 --> 09:15.344 [SPEAKER_04]: Boxes have piled up so I spent like a whole day like grinding boxes like other shirtload of packing material, the things awesome. 09:15.844 --> 09:17.744 [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of expensive but it works really good. 09:18.525 --> 09:23.326 [SPEAKER_04]: So now I have my boxes and all cardboard box fulfill a material. 09:23.346 --> 09:25.707 [SPEAKER_04]: So they can't pitch up me for not recycled and shit. 09:26.087 --> 09:26.568 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent. 09:26.828 --> 09:27.348 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent. 09:27.909 --> 09:29.430 [SPEAKER_03]: But they will come after you. 09:29.630 --> 09:31.512 [SPEAKER_04]: They definitely will come after you. 09:32.052 --> 09:33.193 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody needs a piece of the pie. 09:33.513 --> 09:35.515 [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody's looking for some of your money. 09:36.035 --> 09:38.137 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I've been busy getting ready for an extra Austria. 09:38.157 --> 09:47.745 [SPEAKER_04]: I got like twenty file guides scone, so I was working on laser and all the logos in, but some of the extra Austria logos on there. 09:48.585 --> 09:50.706 [SPEAKER_04]: for the ones that will be part of the prizes. 09:50.906 --> 10:04.870 [SPEAKER_04]: So for the five best of names, they reach getting some file guides and carpet hammer, some blocks of wood, and I think I'd put the scramp for tools and then to a pretty cool prizes for the show. 10:06.231 --> 10:22.759 [SPEAKER_04]: And also working on last minute orders of getting some wood blocks, and I think I'm going to order like a shit ton of raffier, like bolster material, like all the mammoth iron fossils and stuff, and bolster sizes, so people don't have to buy a whole block, and yeah, those things are cool. 10:23.159 --> 10:26.861 [SPEAKER_04]: And then not that expensive, so sometimes people come around your table and they just want to get something. 10:27.401 --> 10:30.763 [SPEAKER_04]: You can pick them up for like 10 to 15 bucks depending on what it is, I think that'll be cool. 10:31.112 --> 10:33.993 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you get new carbide inserts for your five nuts? 10:34.333 --> 10:35.513 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I bought them. 10:36.594 --> 10:46.177 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the Delic Double Apprices they were before, but because it's not really a whole lot of carbide, I just did it in, I think I added three bucks onto the price of the final guide. 10:46.977 --> 10:51.619 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like $6 more than they used to be for the size that I needed, so I just put the difference. 10:52.140 --> 10:56.602 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I got like 40 to make, I think I didn't 10 or 15 already. 10:57.783 --> 11:04.686 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'll be taking a bunch to the show if they don't sell it online, as soon as they go back on, land the people that have been waiting always jump on them, so we'll see. 11:05.346 --> 11:08.108 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, that was about, that was about my week. 11:08.969 --> 11:13.692 [SPEAKER_04]: I found a shop nearby actually, but I don't know if I'm going to get it or not. 11:15.014 --> 11:19.938 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like down the road, like three houses away from where my shop is right now already. 11:20.478 --> 11:24.441 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's the top floor was apartments, but their empty, nobody lives in them. 11:24.542 --> 11:28.325 [SPEAKER_04]: And the guy says he's not planning on renting it, but he wants to rent the whole bottom floor. 11:29.486 --> 11:30.486 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like 230 square meters. 11:32.748 --> 11:34.749 [SPEAKER_04]: And one of the rooms is heated. 11:35.350 --> 11:38.612 [SPEAKER_04]: It's about 10 square meters or so for like a office area. 11:39.132 --> 11:41.794 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the rest of it's all like unfinished bricks. 11:41.834 --> 11:45.736 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's the only thing that I'm like, I don't know, it's all store Jerria for me. 11:45.776 --> 11:51.360 [SPEAKER_04]: It really doesn't matter, but sometimes customers come in and it looks like some ancient ruins in there. 11:51.380 --> 11:56.623 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I want to spend the money trying to fix it up enough, but it's cheap. 11:57.223 --> 11:57.563 [SPEAKER_04]: We'll see. 11:58.124 --> 11:58.785 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm waiting for the guy. 11:58.805 --> 12:08.654 [SPEAKER_04]: I told him some things I wanted to get the eating system put in in a couple things like to do with the electric's I need three phase power Put into the room. 12:08.674 --> 12:17.102 [SPEAKER_04]: It's in the house already, but just not in the shop area Tell him if he was willing to pay for all those upgrades and stuff and put some lights and shit in there Then I would take it, but I haven't heard of him. 12:17.202 --> 12:19.465 [SPEAKER_04]: You're supposed to get back to me on Monday and I haven't heard anything 12:20.836 --> 12:23.937 [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's waiting to see if somebody else is going to jump on there, they are for first. 12:24.997 --> 12:25.497 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't. 12:25.937 --> 12:27.357 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was about it. 12:27.397 --> 12:28.177 [SPEAKER_04]: How about Albert? 12:28.438 --> 12:31.338 [SPEAKER_04]: You guys busy with classes yet or so kind of slow. 12:32.078 --> 12:40.120 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, we had one class with 11 people over the weekend and I was working on the last two DNA knives all the time. 12:40.140 --> 12:42.100 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was basically my week. 12:42.500 --> 12:43.221 [SPEAKER_01]: So boring. 12:43.401 --> 12:45.401 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's introduce our guests, shall we? 12:45.739 --> 12:48.580 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we have a team of hard-ent knives. 12:49.041 --> 12:50.481 [SPEAKER_04]: Team of welcome to the show. 12:51.061 --> 12:52.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, thank you for having me. 12:52.442 --> 12:53.583 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome, very much. 12:53.863 --> 12:57.124 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been great listening to the first 10 minutes of this podcast. 12:59.565 --> 13:00.466 [SPEAKER_02]: For the first time ever. 13:00.946 --> 13:02.967 [SPEAKER_01]: The only 10 minutes you've listened to. 13:06.282 --> 13:08.263 [SPEAKER_04]: So what's going on in Timo's sharp? 13:08.303 --> 13:15.045 [SPEAKER_04]: I know you've been busy with school and stuff you had a post about being a little bit too busy to make knives and stuff as that getting easier for you. 13:15.465 --> 13:19.307 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's been a, it's been around a bit of time lately. 13:20.367 --> 13:39.782 [SPEAKER_02]: It's had a bit of a burnout, apparently combining a full-time bachelor's with running a business, knife-making is not great, and especially last year I caught a few setbacks like business-wise, and then especially with some difficult courses in uni, it's really hard to combine. 13:40.739 --> 13:41.920 [SPEAKER_02]: and took its toll on me. 13:42.200 --> 13:45.301 [SPEAKER_02]: So now the past few weeks I really haven't haven't been doing much. 13:45.882 --> 13:46.982 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been taking it real easy. 13:47.623 --> 13:49.204 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll do so for a couple more weeks. 13:50.104 --> 13:59.349 [SPEAKER_02]: And then on top of that, I'm looking for a new shop because I've got some real issues with the power handlers right now and the shop owners essentially. 13:59.649 --> 14:00.229 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's that. 14:01.708 --> 14:15.179 [SPEAKER_02]: do to the noise so yeah yeah so basically the over the like i've been renting there for two years now and when when when what i started renting there i told a million times hey i make a bunch of noise like 14:16.132 --> 14:18.553 [SPEAKER_02]: a lot, um, these power emers are no joke. 14:19.493 --> 14:29.578 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and they were like, oh, yeah, there's one office that we're all preventing out, but the guys that are like once once every week in the morning, maybe, and they do a little meeting and then they leave again. 14:30.278 --> 14:31.098 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so it's fine. 14:31.899 --> 14:39.602 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was fine for about a year, and then they, um, they started renting more office space and they started coming every day. 14:40.457 --> 14:45.200 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they started complaining about the noise, which is, I mean, fair, it's a lot of noise. 14:45.300 --> 14:48.902 [SPEAKER_02]: But also, I mean, they knew that, they knew I was there making noise. 14:49.422 --> 14:51.103 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of shitty. 14:53.184 --> 15:03.970 [SPEAKER_02]: And then so a few weeks ago, I'm not sure exactly when, the I was forging the landlords came up and they said one of their windows broke, because I have like a little shower, 15:04.890 --> 15:12.957 [SPEAKER_02]: in their shop and the shower window broke and they say well it's because of your vibrations because of the power hammers are vibrating the whole building. 15:15.340 --> 15:16.781 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're really exaggerating it. 15:16.801 --> 15:20.503 [SPEAKER_02]: They were like, ah, the cups are vibrating from our desks. 15:20.624 --> 15:26.207 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, and so they, they're like, you can't forge anymore until we fix this. 15:26.888 --> 15:31.030 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they, or I mean, we, we thought of ways to fix it. 15:31.151 --> 15:39.536 [SPEAKER_02]: And the only possible option would be to just install like a concrete foundation, like Albert did as well for his fishes. 15:42.618 --> 15:54.385 [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of cost a lot of money in a rental shop that I don't really want to stay in in a place that it's just not ideal in many ways and the size of power amateurs that I have. 15:55.505 --> 16:00.969 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're they're decent size, but they're not the size that they need a huge concrete foundation. 16:01.909 --> 16:05.971 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of a mixed feelings about that. 16:06.432 --> 16:07.512 [SPEAKER_02]: And so my best 16:14.061 --> 16:20.868 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because I haven't been looking for a while, even installing the defoundation is only going to get rid of vibration problem, not the noise. 16:21.549 --> 16:22.169 [SPEAKER_02]: No, exactly. 16:22.189 --> 16:22.810 [SPEAKER_04]: That's all that. 16:23.827 --> 16:28.130 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the landlords are really, they kind of go optimistic about it. 16:28.170 --> 16:44.542 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, well, maybe if you do the foundation, then the noise gets less, and then you don't have to, oh yeah, because the other thing is before they even told me I had to stop for a gig day or like, you can only forge on Fridays or Saturday Sunday when to be office people in other. 16:45.983 --> 16:47.284 [SPEAKER_02]: Or by after 5 p.m. 16:47.565 --> 16:49.926 [SPEAKER_02]: So that contributed to my kind of burnout. 16:51.569 --> 17:01.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I was working crazy stupid hours in very unhealthy shifts to make up for their compromise, I guess. 17:01.813 --> 17:07.595 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, well, if you do the foundation, then at least you can get back to that schedule or maybe even force during the week. 17:09.795 --> 17:10.956 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's no way. 17:11.196 --> 17:13.676 [SPEAKER_02]: There's absolutely no way that it's going to stop the noise. 17:14.177 --> 17:18.758 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's what I've been having busy with. 17:19.238 --> 17:22.859 [SPEAKER_02]: So have you had any look finding a new shop or is it tough? 17:23.479 --> 17:26.600 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the real estate market here is really, really bad. 17:27.660 --> 17:30.381 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a few shops like over the past months. 17:30.421 --> 17:35.222 [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a few shops available like they're suitable for knife makers, but they're 17:38.012 --> 17:41.234 [SPEAKER_02]: which is the big one, because you need quite an industrial space. 17:41.454 --> 17:51.539 [SPEAKER_02]: And like so far, the cheapest industrial space I found where you can put power hammers is 1500 per month, which is a lot of money. 17:53.821 --> 17:58.583 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now I pay 150 months, which is half of that basically. 18:01.465 --> 18:06.387 [SPEAKER_02]: I found one, because I'm also thinking about buying a property 18:08.312 --> 18:15.256 [SPEAKER_02]: that would be ideal, you don't have landlords to worry about, but there was one shop for sale in the last like four months. 18:15.937 --> 18:18.418 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was sold for 360,000 euros, which is a 18:30.482 --> 18:40.537 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the mortgage on that would be like also 1,500 a month without like even paying off any of the debt so that's just impossible. 18:41.578 --> 18:44.262 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's up to now not real. 18:45.029 --> 18:45.489 [SPEAKER_02]: No real luck. 18:46.030 --> 18:47.991 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've been really looking everywhere. 18:48.051 --> 18:54.234 [SPEAKER_02]: I've posted ads in the newspaper and like, does anybody have a shit available or a shop? 18:54.594 --> 18:56.375 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been to local mayors. 18:56.415 --> 18:59.397 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been talking to the council and the municipalities. 19:00.137 --> 19:01.398 [SPEAKER_02]: See if we can get anything going. 19:02.739 --> 19:04.500 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's really been a dead end so far. 19:05.120 --> 19:08.782 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I think the best way especially where I am is the same kind of thing. 19:08.822 --> 19:14.386 [SPEAKER_04]: You've got to go to like the local town halls and talk to people and see if they know anybody who's willing to rent a space. 19:14.406 --> 19:24.152 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes those things don't even get a chance to show up into the advertisements or in the papers and stuff because people, somebody who knows somebody knows somebody jumps on it before it even gets out on the market. 19:24.712 --> 19:30.116 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you should get real, real rule is there's a better option there because there's a lot of space, but 19:31.179 --> 19:50.603 [SPEAKER_02]: The Netherlands is just so jam-packed full of everything that there's just very little free space available in general, and when there is, like, ideally I'm just lucky with some old farmer guy who has a, like, a shadow available, but yeah, like you said, the problem is reaching those people. 19:51.797 --> 20:11.970 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, town halls are not really a thing here as far as I know, but maybe I'm too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, you're too young, 20:12.070 --> 20:15.512 [SPEAKER_04]: kind of a black, all black with a, with a rose or a flower. 20:16.073 --> 20:16.853 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the flower one. 20:16.953 --> 20:17.233 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 20:17.393 --> 20:17.634 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 20:17.654 --> 20:17.754 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 20:18.354 --> 20:20.475 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, um, that's one of my favorites. 20:20.596 --> 20:22.517 [SPEAKER_02]: So far, if I would get it to work. 20:24.258 --> 20:25.158 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was a good one. 20:25.178 --> 20:28.401 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, the flower part worked quite well. 20:28.661 --> 20:31.563 [SPEAKER_02]: There was some some well flaws, but that's fixable. 20:32.343 --> 20:43.270 [SPEAKER_02]: but especially the stem part of it, I don't probably the viewers though, no, I'm talking about it, but it was rather thick and it didn't quite connect to the flower in a way I liked. 20:44.691 --> 20:54.898 [SPEAKER_02]: But if I would like to go for best knife of showing Austria, which is very optimistic for KitchenEye, considering the competitors we've had, it would be a version of that knife. 20:55.779 --> 21:01.843 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's one of the few nights I consider still making for Nightshire Austria, as what actually, like remaking that one. 21:03.496 --> 21:15.403 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a, it's a very complicated weld to fix and make because it consists of eight pie pieces that you forge into a bundle to make all of the flower petals. 21:17.073 --> 21:21.437 [SPEAKER_02]: And I actually, because I got the idea last year in I've show us for as well. 21:22.178 --> 21:28.863 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, on the way back to Vienna, I was in the car with Benjamin Caman and the Gabe from Anchorage Forge. 21:29.664 --> 21:32.706 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, I was discussing it with Gabe on ways to make it. 21:32.787 --> 21:38.071 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of how it started to the ID started. 21:38.992 --> 21:44.937 [SPEAKER_02]: And I took probably half here before I could even make the first proper version of that one. 21:46.064 --> 21:51.498 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I've got the process down, but it's going to require quite a lot of effort to make well. 21:53.784 --> 21:54.687 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of, um, 21:55.558 --> 22:19.534 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, gradient patterns, for instance, is a big part of it, and also what Gabe told me about a lot about is incorporating a both-frontum flowiness that most Damascus lacks, like a lot of Mosaic Damascus nowadays, or nowadays, but in general, Mosaic Damascus is very blocky, and you make the pattern, and you make square blocks, 22:20.534 --> 22:23.516 [SPEAKER_02]: and you've just fit them together and hope that it looks nice. 22:24.156 --> 22:37.002 [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas if you put a little more thought on effort to enter, you can just line up the pieces, maybe a bit offset to make sure that each line flows through and keeps connecting between the pieces you're rolling together. 22:37.503 --> 22:43.025 [SPEAKER_02]: And then afterwards you can work out the problems in the billet on the edges where it's not quite aligned. 22:43.966 --> 22:46.327 [SPEAKER_02]: And that make sure that you're actually flowing the pattern. 22:48.020 --> 22:49.441 [SPEAKER_02]: You said it being like geometric. 22:50.181 --> 22:50.841 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. 22:51.662 --> 23:01.086 [SPEAKER_02]: Because especially if you're doing an organic kind of like a flower, you're really kind of for it like layers just being offset to each other and not connecting because that just looks like ass. 23:03.747 --> 23:14.332 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're doing geometric pattern of mosaic, sure it works to have just geometric lines, but it's not what quite what I want. 23:18.035 --> 23:18.386 [SPEAKER_02]: See ya. 23:20.156 --> 23:20.596 [SPEAKER_02]: That's for sure. 23:20.636 --> 23:22.637 [SPEAKER_02]: I want, when I would like to retry. 23:22.657 --> 23:23.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 23:23.558 --> 23:28.421 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I've never tried any of that stuff or even just a regular mosaic pattern. 23:28.881 --> 23:36.065 [SPEAKER_04]: But I can't imagine like how you don't distort the pictures so much after all that forging for the design you make and like the flower. 23:36.505 --> 23:40.047 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's trying to stretch it out and fit it onto the blade shape they're using. 23:40.067 --> 23:41.708 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's so distorted. 23:42.709 --> 23:45.450 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, that's a real tough one. 23:45.650 --> 23:48.332 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you can see in that photo it's still stretched a tiny bit. 23:49.092 --> 24:04.597 [SPEAKER_02]: It used to be really round, but the ideal strategy is to, as soon as you get the plug, which should not be just sort of, you just forge while in and then you just grind it all the way down, like, that's only real, real possible way of making that work. 24:06.131 --> 24:23.360 [SPEAKER_02]: in a good way, because, yeah, as you say, either you stretch it out in the lengthwise or in the in the heel sides in weird ways, especially if you're foraging bevels, you're going to distort one side of the flower pattern in ugly ways, just not worth it. 24:23.940 --> 24:31.084 [SPEAKER_02]: I think for that knife, I started with like 10 males of steel, maybe 12, forged in the plug, and that's that's it. 24:31.424 --> 24:32.885 [SPEAKER_02]: Other than that, you're not doing any foraging. 24:34.550 --> 25:00.157 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe a little bit of taper on the part where there's no flower in this how about the stem that's obviously not a plug how do you weld it's not a plug no yeah i i made a billet out of a few stacks of steel so it's it's mono O2 then piece of flower stem please of O2 of same thickness and then another piece of O2 and just smash them all together and then you end up with a 25:01.360 --> 25:08.584 [SPEAKER_02]: quite a thick billet but with a stem ending in the middle and they just drill your roll right there where the stem ends terminates and you're just putting the flower. 25:10.545 --> 25:12.305 [SPEAKER_02]: So that part is kind of easy. 25:13.826 --> 25:21.690 [SPEAKER_02]: I think on next one I'll just the only thing I would like to really improve is the flower stem really going into the handle. 25:22.601 --> 25:35.285 [SPEAKER_02]: and also the flower stem, kind of terminating, not in the square end, but in more of a artistic way where it thins out into nothing and then into the flower. 25:36.005 --> 25:40.447 [SPEAKER_02]: And that way, they don't have to fully connect, but it's more like a line that someone drew with a pen. 25:41.527 --> 25:43.347 [SPEAKER_02]: So that would make it a little louder. 25:43.888 --> 25:44.568 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. 25:45.208 --> 25:46.890 [SPEAKER_02]: Albert, have you tried anything like that, never? 25:47.370 --> 25:47.591 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 25:50.433 --> 25:52.576 [SPEAKER_02]: This is something you'd like to do, or... Sure? 25:52.796 --> 25:53.717 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, now I'm interviewing. 25:54.037 --> 25:58.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Already normal mosaic to mask is so much work and such a waste of material. 25:58.381 --> 26:05.449 [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't imagine what that would mean for a pattern like the flower pattern. 26:05.629 --> 26:06.530 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's certainly nice. 26:06.950 --> 26:08.752 [SPEAKER_01]: I really like the gradient pattern store. 26:08.932 --> 26:09.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're great. 26:10.053 --> 26:29.083 [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe makes, and when there's quite a few Austrian makers who started making this gradient patterns, I mean, I get the point that the normal mistake, the mask is that the pattern keeps repeating itself and it looks kind of boring compared to this gradient patterns where the pattern flows, but more with the shape of the knife, because they're fortunate to shape. 26:29.103 --> 26:30.184 [SPEAKER_01]: So I really like these. 26:30.404 --> 26:32.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think Gabe kind of... 26:33.085 --> 26:52.552 [SPEAKER_02]: started off that great yeah i'm not sure no i don't think so actually i think it was not messy yeah more like yeah but it definitely popularized with with Gabe uh yeah doing it a lot more because it yeah popped up like last year maybe uh last couple of years ago yeah i mean i saw it for the first time last year so i guess there's uh 26:52.892 --> 27:00.658 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Peter Burr, as well, kind of, I think Peter developed it together with Mariko, so they had a shop like 20 years ago. 27:00.898 --> 27:06.883 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, I think, where the idea started, the Peter is not as well known in the life-making community, I think. 27:06.943 --> 27:09.044 [SPEAKER_02]: He mostly makes woods, so, of course, stuff. 27:09.305 --> 27:15.870 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I loved the way that all that transitions into the bolster, too, with when you get those gradient patterns, it was amazing. 27:15.970 --> 27:17.130 [SPEAKER_01]: But how big was the plug? 27:17.531 --> 27:20.293 [SPEAKER_01]: How big was the plug used on this flower? 27:20.593 --> 27:37.382 [SPEAKER_02]: I think like 25, 30 mils, maybe a bit bigger, but around there, and to make it nice and nice fit, obviously, I turned down the plug on the lathe, and then in the knife, I used a boring head on the mail to really make a precise fit. 27:37.582 --> 27:40.463 [SPEAKER_02]: That way, just get a really nice, even if I didn't. 27:40.744 --> 27:45.886 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I welded it in, but next time I'll just weld it all the way around with a 27:48.165 --> 27:49.886 [SPEAKER_02]: And that way, uh, she really nice. 27:50.426 --> 27:55.129 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I just bought another tool, um, about a 200 ton press. 27:55.489 --> 27:57.650 [SPEAKER_02]: She'll be nice for some stuff in the future. 27:57.911 --> 27:59.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Give some stainless steel pieces. 27:59.471 --> 28:00.952 [SPEAKER_03]: Two fucking hundreds of tons. 28:01.553 --> 28:02.493 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's insane. 28:02.913 --> 28:03.474 [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy. 28:04.194 --> 28:13.900 [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, I don't have it in my shop yet because I kind of underestimated the weight of the machine because it's made out of, I thought it was profile steel, but it's actually solid. 28:14.600 --> 28:19.391 [SPEAKER_02]: So the base plate is like this big or this thick and then it's just it's huge. 28:20.308 --> 28:23.850 [SPEAKER_02]: So the machine was probably at least one and a half, maybe two tons. 28:24.631 --> 28:28.373 [SPEAKER_02]: And I came there with my trailer and my car and it just couldn't handle it. 28:28.393 --> 28:29.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's no way. 28:29.694 --> 28:31.055 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was just die. 28:32.596 --> 28:34.677 [SPEAKER_02]: So we drove like four hours from nothing. 28:35.097 --> 28:40.541 [SPEAKER_02]: But at least the guy offered to drive it to me with his huge ass trailer. 28:40.821 --> 28:44.843 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the problem is at least to get it from the trailer into my workshop. 28:45.344 --> 28:47.205 [SPEAKER_04]: And then move it again when you find a new place. 28:47.753 --> 28:50.255 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of the question, which one comes first. 28:52.697 --> 28:54.919 [SPEAKER_03]: One advice, don't stick your finger into it. 28:56.060 --> 28:57.040 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not what, yeah. 28:57.341 --> 28:59.783 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I experienced the same with power hammers, yeah. 29:00.943 --> 29:03.746 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like 200 tons, but is it fast? 29:04.286 --> 29:05.067 [SPEAKER_02]: It's quite fast, yeah. 29:05.467 --> 29:10.671 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, um, I think in the current way it's operating, it's not quite 200 tons. 29:12.012 --> 29:15.075 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think the seller may be lying because the cylinder is like, 29:16.228 --> 29:18.209 [SPEAKER_02]: It's this big, something like that. 29:18.229 --> 29:23.232 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like 220 millimeters, but I don't think it's operating full pressure, which is why it's a bit faster. 29:24.533 --> 29:26.674 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's likely to stage pump as well. 29:26.734 --> 29:34.138 [SPEAKER_02]: So it moves about one centimeter per second, which is a bit slow for its forging presses, but it's on the doable side. 29:35.599 --> 29:37.840 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's currently a 7.5 kilowatmoder. 29:39.808 --> 29:45.370 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking of just upgrading it to 15 kilowatts and just getting the full, full power out of it. 29:45.930 --> 29:56.434 [SPEAKER_03]: So, but, talking about presses, I guess the, when they are moving the full force of 200 tons is it, it is not coming in to instantaneous, right? 29:56.974 --> 29:57.674 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, no. 29:58.134 --> 29:59.115 [SPEAKER_03]: It's efficient. 30:00.295 --> 30:05.257 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the, I think it depends obviously on the resistance that you have, right? 30:05.337 --> 30:10.680 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have solid steel, the pressure builds almost instantaneously. 30:12.060 --> 30:18.403 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you have, for instance, some hot, hot orange steel, then the pressure is only going to be like 50 tons. 30:18.744 --> 30:22.405 [SPEAKER_02]: Only, it's only going to press what's required to squish it down. 30:23.206 --> 30:27.768 [SPEAKER_02]: And then as it stops moving, it's going to build more pressure and it's going to, yeah. 30:29.057 --> 30:33.439 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess my question was like how quickly does it build up the pressure, right? 30:33.619 --> 30:37.641 [SPEAKER_03]: Because if I imagine, they don't come full force instantly, you know, 200 tons. 30:37.681 --> 30:46.765 [SPEAKER_03]: But if you have like 10 tons of resistance, and then the continued to increase, is it like waiting for the pressure to build up, to continue to press, right? 30:49.006 --> 30:49.407 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 30:49.647 --> 30:50.167 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so. 30:50.287 --> 31:00.016 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't really experienced a lot of work with hydraulic presses because I've always worked with power hammers, which is a luxury problem to have, I guess. 31:01.197 --> 31:02.178 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll bet to you. 31:02.739 --> 31:03.860 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you had a hydraulic press? 31:04.508 --> 31:19.120 [SPEAKER_01]: we had one which we sold but it was a very small one I think it was like 10 or 15 tons so we made ourselves but we've never had, we have a press, we have a friction press, 80 ton friction press but not a hit hard for all of us, yeah. 31:19.601 --> 31:26.625 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've got a, what do you call it, fly press as well, but that's, it's like 10 times maybe. 31:26.985 --> 31:32.688 [SPEAKER_02]: But actually the, the real reason why I bought the press is not to forge with, although it would be nice. 31:34.989 --> 31:46.916 [SPEAKER_02]: But instead, I'm working on a production line of knives, or at least producing a more productive capacity, what do you call it, a proofing my productive capacity. 31:47.867 --> 31:56.730 [SPEAKER_02]: And so when I have the blanks forged out under the power hammer, takes like maybe two or three heats to make all the tapers right, but it's just a square piece. 31:57.650 --> 32:04.692 [SPEAKER_02]: And I will be making a top and bottom die from hardened steel, which can just cut out my shape in one go. 32:06.493 --> 32:08.973 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that saved me a lot of time in profiling. 32:09.554 --> 32:13.855 [SPEAKER_02]: Because when you're working on 10, 20 knives, you don't want to be grinding all of the profile shapes. 32:15.342 --> 32:22.127 [SPEAKER_02]: And either you stamp it out with this tool and die or you'd laser one, jet it, water jet it, whatever. 32:22.747 --> 32:23.768 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are all really expensive. 32:25.346 --> 32:26.586 [SPEAKER_02]: So this would be a nice option. 32:27.386 --> 32:29.687 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the presence you would check, you can still forge with it. 32:30.547 --> 32:35.008 [SPEAKER_04]: We do like TV blades and just pin like 10 of them together and profile them all at once. 32:36.288 --> 32:37.168 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I can do it. 32:39.589 --> 32:42.389 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm stamping out this way more interesting. 32:43.309 --> 32:44.350 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very cool process. 32:44.390 --> 32:48.090 [SPEAKER_02]: I got inspired by those axe guys in Sweden. 32:48.610 --> 32:50.351 [SPEAKER_02]: Grunts for sprux. 32:50.891 --> 32:51.291 [SPEAKER_02]: Grunts for us? 32:52.228 --> 33:01.855 [SPEAKER_02]: they've got the huge eccentric presses with all of the tooling stations and I thought it'd be so cool to have a tooling station make kitchen knives. 33:02.595 --> 33:10.181 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think I'll slowly proceed to make my my tooling fit for the kitchen knives so every step can just be in the press like 33:13.371 --> 33:15.153 [SPEAKER_04]: it's a really cool process to watch those guys. 33:15.233 --> 33:16.614 [SPEAKER_04]: It's sort of for the people I've seen it. 33:16.654 --> 33:26.622 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a long press with I don't know what it's got 10 or 15 different sets of dies on it and they stamp out the eye and then make bring the cheeks out. 33:26.963 --> 33:29.605 [SPEAKER_04]: If you guys listen to that podcast, there's all about cheeks. 33:31.086 --> 33:32.087 [SPEAKER_04]: No, but it's crazy. 33:32.107 --> 33:35.470 [SPEAKER_04]: They where they get how far they can get that accent to shape and like one when he. 33:35.710 --> 33:37.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's so cool. 33:38.010 --> 33:40.873 [SPEAKER_02]: And they compute our program all of their dyes as well. 33:40.933 --> 33:51.502 [SPEAKER_02]: Like obviously the machine is not computer program, but from what I understand, they simulate the way the dyes move to steel with a bunch of calculations. 33:51.543 --> 33:56.967 [SPEAKER_02]: So they can actually make very precise products with it even though they're hand forged. 33:57.688 --> 33:59.290 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's so cool to me. 34:00.271 --> 34:01.051 [SPEAKER_02]: Because my main 34:02.090 --> 34:08.536 [SPEAKER_02]: focus on forging is not per se because it's efficient because it's not. 34:08.576 --> 34:25.493 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's more so because I want specific tapers in the steel and specific tapers in the bevels and those are just a shit ton of work to grind out first of all and second of all you don't get the forged look and I only do like half bevel grinding and the rest is forged steel. 34:27.161 --> 34:34.286 [SPEAKER_02]: And that normally is really bad when you have no tapers, but when you have to write tapers in the right places, they blend really nicely into the bevels. 34:35.026 --> 34:46.193 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's my reason for really working on the forging process and said, and it'd be very nice to have a few dies for a different tapers as well. 34:46.253 --> 34:51.797 [SPEAKER_02]: So every taper is exactly to spec instead of just handsley roughly hand forged. 34:52.537 --> 34:55.359 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna need bigger power hammers at some point as well. 34:56.584 --> 35:03.246 [SPEAKER_01]: But would you would you press the taper and cut out the blank in one step or would you have two dice? 35:03.566 --> 35:04.986 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think I had to dice. 35:05.066 --> 35:11.248 [SPEAKER_02]: I think a kitchen I have is too thin to properly press out the taper in a press. 35:12.068 --> 35:17.269 [SPEAKER_02]: But it would be something like either power hammer with big radius dies forging out the 35:18.305 --> 35:42.527 [SPEAKER_02]: like the rough taper and then the press just finalizing the profile and then another die to cut it out exactly and I was thinking of one more die maybe which is basically just a step die but with side cheeks and that way you could forge out the tying as well in one or two heats because forging the offset on power hammers is quite awkward. 35:43.247 --> 35:53.370 [SPEAKER_02]: to properly do efficiently and right now I just hand for which takes one or two heats maybe but in any efficiency expert better obviously. 35:53.850 --> 36:06.995 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah because I've been doing forged steak knives as well recently in stainless steel and the first time I made them and produced them it would take like six or seven heats maybe to forge out the blank of the thing. 36:07.955 --> 36:18.002 [SPEAKER_02]: And as I worked on my tooling and got the process down, I could do it in two and sometimes you didn't just want heat for the entire blank, which is so cool. 36:19.763 --> 36:24.386 [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to ask you, is that that's the set of 140 knives that you did for a restaurant? 36:24.446 --> 36:24.646 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 36:24.706 --> 36:25.767 [SPEAKER_02]: All four channels and everything. 36:26.327 --> 36:44.275 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was the 140 stuff and I'm doing a couple more now because I managed to forge just a few before I had my forging stop and so I have to finish those this month probably and there it was such a cool order to make but also fuck no, I'll never do it again. 36:46.155 --> 36:51.238 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I mean if you can get it down from from seven heats to one that's quite an improvement over 36:54.634 --> 37:04.519 [SPEAKER_02]: I think in the end I made bank on it or not but like I don't think that's because I've ever made bank on it, but I actually earned some some decent money on it when I got the process real down. 37:05.419 --> 37:07.500 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's 140 pieces. 37:07.520 --> 37:11.062 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just hard to imagine how many knives that is. 37:11.242 --> 37:17.265 [SPEAKER_02]: Like in my prime time, I made like 70 years old, I was prime in his prime time. 37:19.640 --> 37:23.523 [SPEAKER_02]: So in the year 80, I was per year, something like that. 37:23.823 --> 37:29.548 [SPEAKER_02]: And so to make a batch of 140, even if they're just small-stake knives, it's a fucked-over. 37:30.234 --> 37:39.116 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think that was one point four or three, four or something that I did at the steel, that you use an eye-common number. 37:39.796 --> 37:43.997 [SPEAKER_02]: I started out with 440B because it was readily available. 37:44.817 --> 37:49.278 [SPEAKER_02]: And while it's a good option for steak knives, it's shady to forge. 37:49.398 --> 37:49.998 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very shady. 37:50.638 --> 37:55.719 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I went to my steel supplier, which is summer in Germany, had to drive like four hours to get it. 37:59.752 --> 38:00.793 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can have a look for you. 38:01.914 --> 38:02.374 [SPEAKER_02]: What is it? 38:03.314 --> 38:03.935 [SPEAKER_02]: You can do that. 38:03.955 --> 38:05.256 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Pauli researched it. 38:06.457 --> 38:12.140 [SPEAKER_02]: But on, yeah, basically, it says it's got pretty decent forgeability. 38:12.541 --> 38:18.685 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's, it's still much harder to forge in car on the steel, but it's, it's, it's a these in these in forging steel. 38:20.538 --> 38:26.262 [SPEAKER_02]: and it doesn't actually decarple that much, especially if you're only forging a couple of heats. 38:26.722 --> 38:34.807 [SPEAKER_04]: So you made those knives, they were all one piece forged to start off with square bar or hex bar or something. 38:34.927 --> 38:36.168 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll actually run bar. 38:36.288 --> 38:36.928 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right. 38:37.809 --> 38:38.509 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the, 38:39.670 --> 38:43.193 [SPEAKER_02]: They start around bar, I think, 14 millimeter round is what it is. 38:44.114 --> 39:06.673 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, you forge out the blade kind of, you wind it out, offset it to one side with the die, then you taper it out or at least lengthen it out and then you wind it again to make the final belate with and they turn around and do the hex or the octagon sides, which is a fairly simple forging process. 39:08.143 --> 39:11.449 [SPEAKER_02]: And but it's quite fun to do to be honest, especially when you're in the flow. 39:12.891 --> 39:18.079 [SPEAKER_02]: But I gotta say the stainless steel is quite rough or not rough but heavy on the power armors. 39:19.044 --> 39:21.066 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't think they're made for it. 39:21.166 --> 39:22.967 [SPEAKER_02]: They really just quite struggle on it. 39:23.007 --> 39:26.250 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't move quite as easily as normal. 39:26.930 --> 39:31.814 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it still feels like you're forging cold steel almost. 39:31.974 --> 39:38.139 [SPEAKER_02]: I've yet to make full stainless, or stainless Damascus, which is, I'm happy I've never done it. 39:38.920 --> 39:40.101 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just such a fuckery. 39:42.362 --> 39:44.504 [SPEAKER_02]: I did fortune some dama steel, which was okay. 39:45.949 --> 39:49.070 [SPEAKER_02]: But that was only like four millimeter bar stock. 39:49.250 --> 39:54.132 [SPEAKER_02]: So no way, no, I can afford your full bill it off with this stuff. 39:54.532 --> 39:56.073 [SPEAKER_02]: I did consider it though. 39:56.093 --> 40:01.195 [SPEAKER_04]: So, price, we for the edge of hope project that we're doing this year, everybody is using Domesteele. 40:01.995 --> 40:05.696 [SPEAKER_04]: But they got to choose if they wanted to do stock removal or forging. 40:06.457 --> 40:08.878 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think about half the people chose to forge. 40:09.118 --> 40:11.959 [SPEAKER_04]: And from that half, probably half of them have never forged. 40:13.199 --> 40:16.760 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we were quite lucky that nobody screwed anything up. 40:16.820 --> 40:21.241 [SPEAKER_04]: I was expecting at least one failure I know one person expensive. 40:21.281 --> 40:36.184 [SPEAKER_04]: I know one person had a problem, but they've just changed the blade shape a little bit Yeah, they would be expensive and and also Hopstammerhawk is making a prize for the best of the 20 knives and he's also using Domesteele 40:36.924 --> 40:44.231 [SPEAKER_04]: And they just message me, I asked him about two weeks ago how he was doing, because it was his first try on stainless, and he didn't answer me. 40:44.631 --> 40:48.174 [SPEAKER_04]: And after like a week, I was like, show, should I be worried? 40:48.314 --> 40:51.137 [SPEAKER_04]: Now because you're not answering, and he just wrote, oh sorry, sorry. 40:51.157 --> 40:55.020 [SPEAKER_04]: I was on on vacation with the family, but everything's fine. 40:55.040 --> 40:55.981 [SPEAKER_04]: He's got it almost finished. 40:56.381 --> 41:00.125 [SPEAKER_02]: I did the Edge of Hope project is so sick to see. 41:00.465 --> 41:02.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Did Thomas still sponsor all of the suit? 41:02.953 --> 41:04.714 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm still sponsored all the steal for us here. 41:05.094 --> 41:08.736 [SPEAKER_04]: So we got 20 pieces of steel and then one could size trunk for an axe. 41:09.577 --> 41:10.857 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what a bit of money is for you. 41:11.538 --> 41:14.940 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I'm hoping is are they going to be auctioned off again this year? 41:15.580 --> 41:16.761 [SPEAKER_04]: Or yes, they will. 41:17.361 --> 41:19.642 [SPEAKER_04]: There will be auctioned off like we usually do. 41:19.662 --> 41:25.225 [SPEAKER_04]: You can buy tickets and get a chance to win each person that buys. 41:25.265 --> 41:28.727 [SPEAKER_04]: I take it every ticket as worth a chance for an episode. 41:28.747 --> 41:29.948 [SPEAKER_04]: If somebody's name gets called up, 41:30.568 --> 41:34.295 [SPEAKER_04]: and they had 10 tickets, 9 tickets stay in the pot, so they still have 9 more chances. 41:34.976 --> 41:38.241 [SPEAKER_04]: But those will all be shown at Napster Austria this year, so you get to see them all. 41:38.822 --> 41:40.064 [SPEAKER_02]: Sick, very nice. 41:40.405 --> 41:40.625 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 41:40.886 --> 41:41.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it able? 41:41.467 --> 41:42.028 [SPEAKER_02]: It's profile. 41:43.197 --> 41:56.291 [SPEAKER_04]: No fixed profile, just Domesteele, and then we got some stabilized Clary Clary Wallnut from Shell Fire Arts, so everybody's using the same handle in Domesteele with different patterns. 41:56.471 --> 41:57.652 [SPEAKER_04]: Those were chosen at random. 41:58.073 --> 42:04.300 [SPEAKER_04]: Great, but you can make anything you want, so there's quite a different array of knife styles and shapes and stuff. 42:04.840 --> 42:07.342 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be a pretty cool sea them all in person. 42:07.622 --> 42:09.243 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's thick. 42:09.263 --> 42:10.303 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to see those. 42:10.584 --> 42:14.346 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're listening, go to Edge of Hope on Instagram. 42:14.586 --> 42:18.328 [SPEAKER_04]: That'll be at Table A 13 and also on Instagram. 42:18.688 --> 42:22.571 [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm hoping you bring that integral knife, if you haven't sold it yet. 42:22.591 --> 42:27.654 [SPEAKER_04]: You had a full-tang integral that you kind of like a model lift that was filled in with wood. 42:27.814 --> 42:28.734 [SPEAKER_02]: That would bring the handle. 42:29.175 --> 42:29.435 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 42:30.308 --> 42:31.989 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will bring it. 42:33.430 --> 42:37.612 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it has an official buyer yet, but it's probably gone. 42:37.872 --> 42:40.634 [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's okay, but you're going to bring it to show anyway. 42:41.154 --> 42:42.415 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, of course. 42:43.455 --> 42:47.958 [SPEAKER_02]: It's I made exactly that knife about one and a half or two years ago. 42:49.138 --> 42:57.303 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was already, yeah, I was very happy with the way that one worked, but it had some some issues. 42:58.425 --> 43:07.228 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was a concept that I originally, not copied, but I was inspired by lesser knives, if you've heard of them. 43:07.868 --> 43:11.169 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if he's still around today, or if he still makes stuff. 43:11.849 --> 43:21.852 [SPEAKER_02]: But basically, he made a wild handle knife, but with a frame like this, but on each of the corners, there was a steel frame post. 43:22.833 --> 43:28.937 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, that's fucking sick, but I can do it with a Western handle shape. 43:30.177 --> 43:32.759 [SPEAKER_02]: And I chose a sidesteak. 43:32.779 --> 43:40.483 [SPEAKER_02]: The mask is specifically for the reason that the handle is oriented in the different orientation of the blade. 43:41.003 --> 43:46.186 [SPEAKER_02]: So while you get the straight lines in the blade, you actually get super nice contour lines on the handle. 43:46.887 --> 43:49.768 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can see just exactly how it was 43:52.283 --> 44:03.852 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's also a slightly inspired by the monolith commented, but I'm not sure if I saw the monolith but at the time I made my first one of those to be honest. 44:03.872 --> 44:10.256 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while, but I don't know when Ben made those first monoliths as well. 44:11.237 --> 44:11.757 [SPEAKER_02]: That crazy. 44:12.818 --> 44:16.501 [SPEAKER_04]: So how do you go about getting the wood to fit in there so precisely? 44:16.941 --> 44:18.142 [SPEAKER_04]: That must be a fun and task. 44:19.135 --> 44:37.728 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, no, yeah, it's not enough, I know it's um, so I started with the steel I milled out the slot and so all of this edges are as square as possible with as little filing as possible, I still do some filing to make the contours nice, but. 44:39.199 --> 44:44.541 [SPEAKER_02]: The first one was fully filed out, which was, I mean, I don't think I've ever had such a horrific job. 44:45.081 --> 44:47.002 [SPEAKER_02]: And now that I'm in a milling machine, it was a lot better. 44:48.423 --> 44:55.965 [SPEAKER_02]: I've done a few of these very handles now, but for this one, I scribe out the outline from the inside. 44:56.646 --> 44:57.126 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, 44:58.306 --> 45:14.517 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I scrub it out, grind it out and obviously it doesn't fit by then and then it just I put it in the in the bench face and I tighten it just a tiny bit so it leaves an imprint of the frame handle. 45:15.598 --> 45:24.680 [SPEAKER_02]: And so then I go back on the platform, I follow the outline of that imprint, and then I go back and forth probably 20 times to make it fit. 45:25.360 --> 45:35.482 [SPEAKER_02]: And so each time it slides in a tiny bit more, and I see on the wood, because it stabilizes where it touches and where it rubs, and that's where you just start filing a tiny bit away. 45:35.982 --> 45:38.203 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was very, very happy with this fit. 45:39.003 --> 45:42.249 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, yet, in the end, there was still, still tiny gap. 45:42.910 --> 45:44.974 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's nothing a bit of glue-confix. 45:46.378 --> 46:09.880 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... but the problem is that yeah you know because it's a museum fit so a tiny tiny gap doesn't really show that much uh... and it's like the problem is especially because it's maybe the gap is maybe a tenth of a millimeter but when light shows through it you can see a close it when there's a bit of glue blocking the light you can't see at all that there's a gap 46:10.612 --> 46:14.656 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a bit of a, it's a bit of compromise, I guess, but I'll get better for each one. 46:15.036 --> 46:19.600 [SPEAKER_04]: So I always thought when people made them that there was a very, very slight taper, maybe to one side. 46:20.161 --> 46:26.146 [SPEAKER_04]: So they can, you can kind of force it in a little bit more and get fill those gaps up if you need to do that off. 46:26.166 --> 46:32.412 [SPEAKER_02]: You see that would be the smart thing to do, but, uh, I think, I think, um, 46:33.598 --> 46:37.644 [SPEAKER_02]: for keyhole, and I've say do that as well, they do it as let's say per year. 46:38.586 --> 46:42.852 [SPEAKER_02]: Also for my keyholes, I've always just made a straight line, and that's been a bad choice. 46:45.416 --> 46:46.498 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, yeah, because, um, 46:48.023 --> 47:02.249 [SPEAKER_02]: I've made like three key holes, maybe four, and each time it's held, it's each time I fit them up, I break one of the pieces of wood, and then another 50 bucks goes on to drain it. 47:03.769 --> 47:07.531 [SPEAKER_04]: I mentioned some woods are easier for a task like that, the little more forgiving. 47:08.311 --> 47:08.431 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 47:08.451 --> 47:09.492 [SPEAKER_04]: Wouldn't spend to a break. 47:10.332 --> 47:11.993 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know which one though. 47:12.053 --> 47:12.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 47:13.413 --> 47:22.655 [SPEAKER_02]: I've always worked with Walnut on it, especially because I just really like Walnut, but I've heard Arizona, I don't, it doesn't matter where it is very nice. 47:23.195 --> 47:23.575 [SPEAKER_02]: I did it. 47:23.755 --> 47:27.316 [SPEAKER_02]: I did it once with Ironwood, which was okay. 47:28.456 --> 47:33.997 [SPEAKER_02]: But I've also broken a piece of Iron, and I've broken plenty of pieces of Walnut. 47:34.417 --> 47:36.618 [SPEAKER_02]: It's more so about technique, I think, than the wood type. 47:38.261 --> 47:42.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, of course, there's bad woods where any any dense stabilizer would would be would be fine. 47:43.083 --> 47:44.943 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm not an expert on that. 47:46.004 --> 47:50.025 [SPEAKER_02]: And I also did one one time with a circonian frame. 47:50.085 --> 47:55.127 [SPEAKER_02]: So the entire frame was circonian and then the inside was fully mammoth ivory. 47:55.707 --> 48:01.949 [SPEAKER_02]: Just pure white cream ivory and with ivory conscious precedent and hope that it goes. 48:02.769 --> 48:02.990 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 48:03.250 --> 48:03.770 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was. 48:04.670 --> 48:06.511 [SPEAKER_02]: though to be honest, I can't even remember how I did. 48:06.551 --> 48:11.235 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I just did so much filing and fitting eventually if it. 48:11.795 --> 48:15.958 [SPEAKER_02]: But I've got a YouTube series online where you can see entirely how I'll make the knife. 48:17.159 --> 48:18.199 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a YouTube channel? 48:18.620 --> 48:19.800 [SPEAKER_02]: Or... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 48:19.820 --> 48:20.621 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called Harden Lives. 48:21.021 --> 48:21.882 [SPEAKER_02]: Harden Lives on YouTube. 48:22.602 --> 48:26.325 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I've got like I've got three videos out and then I've got like 48:27.505 --> 48:34.811 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe 300 views on each video, or maybe a bit more, and so it's fun to do, but it's not worth my effort right now. 48:37.213 --> 48:40.816 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll just make videos when I enjoy something to share. 48:41.556 --> 48:43.198 [SPEAKER_02]: I like making some reals as well, but 48:44.562 --> 48:48.966 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I don't think I've got the time right now to make those videos. 48:49.527 --> 49:00.817 [SPEAKER_04]: I was expecting Pauli to have like a 100 question for you when you started talking about precision work and stamp in these knives all the stuff and then you lost them at file and 100 times and refit and see if you can go back and forth. 49:01.778 --> 49:21.012 [SPEAKER_03]: I almost died, I almost died, oh no, not my jam, not my jam, my jam is going in fixing your machines, that should be press a button and boop, you know, maybe I'll just press in like with the full 200 tenth press, I can just press in wood and make the perfect fin it. 49:22.818 --> 49:23.399 [SPEAKER_02]: Why not? 49:24.140 --> 49:26.262 [SPEAKER_03]: It's the very first thing you should do with that press. 49:26.903 --> 49:28.105 [SPEAKER_03]: That's fucking brilliant. 49:29.106 --> 49:30.207 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I didn't. 49:30.268 --> 49:30.828 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 49:31.209 --> 49:36.776 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Keith, for reminding me because I'm the ad man, ad man of the show, Harlan. 49:38.638 --> 49:40.199 [SPEAKER_03]: What kind of kiln do you use? 49:40.919 --> 49:42.879 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a mini hell on kiln. 49:43.660 --> 49:49.621 [SPEAKER_03]: Mini-fucking hell, kilns kilns kilns kilns, the show is sponsored by mini-hell.eu. 49:49.661 --> 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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was just like, and so there was I think I think a 10% discount for the show. 51:35.507 --> 51:40.049 [SPEAKER_02]: And then at the end of the show, he gave me a 10% discount because he don't want to take them home. 51:40.109 --> 51:40.910 [SPEAKER_02]: So I had to take a 51:41.930 --> 51:53.913 [SPEAKER_02]: And then obviously the VIT was taken off the taxes because it's business big spins and so I think I paid like 600 euros for fully brand new kill. 51:54.613 --> 51:55.154 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of like that. 51:55.774 --> 51:56.974 [SPEAKER_02]: It was ridiculous. 51:58.174 --> 51:58.935 [SPEAKER_02]: So great. 51:58.995 --> 51:59.615 [SPEAKER_02]: So cheap. 51:59.875 --> 52:01.215 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. 52:01.335 --> 52:02.796 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you get the three-phase one? 52:03.976 --> 52:05.536 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's it's two twenty-fold 52:11.955 --> 52:14.117 [SPEAKER_02]: 30 minutes to quenching temps. 52:15.178 --> 52:16.739 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, yeah, it's, it's lovely. 52:17.700 --> 52:20.402 [SPEAKER_04]: Three phases of problem in the Netherlands supposedly, right? 52:21.022 --> 52:21.383 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it? 52:21.483 --> 52:23.504 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not as calm and I guess in workshops. 52:24.285 --> 52:26.547 [SPEAKER_02]: In workshops, it's everywhere, to be honest. 52:27.127 --> 52:31.010 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not in houses, like personal homes, barely have it. 52:31.771 --> 52:38.356 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe nowadays with the heat pumps and the air conditionings that they have it more, but in workshops, it's very abundant. 52:42.668 --> 52:57.373 [SPEAKER_03]: It's extremely common here in Lithuania, even in Soviet buildings, it's extremely common three-phase because all of the electric stoves use three-phase power, so I can have a mini hell running in my apartment. 52:58.653 --> 53:00.834 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't burn out my apartment because it's a mini hell. 53:01.134 --> 53:05.195 [SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully this is the last skill that you will have, you know, you don't need to have to play around 53:10.239 --> 53:13.942 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it's been going strong, very strong. 53:14.602 --> 53:23.509 [SPEAKER_02]: My last one, I still use it for tempering, but it had like a heating leak at the bottom, where the insulation kind of lit through warmth. 53:24.850 --> 53:37.059 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was resting on a wooden plate, and you know, I came in the next morning, and there was like a bunch of burnt wood, and a hole in my workbench, but luckily no, no, huge fire. 53:38.916 --> 53:40.216 [SPEAKER_04]: So that was a lucky one. 53:41.337 --> 53:49.059 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I, uh, a while ago, I made a really bad or really good purchase, depending on who you ask. 53:51.439 --> 53:55.720 [SPEAKER_02]: But basically, I bought another power hammer, but this time, it's tiny. 53:56.961 --> 53:58.181 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'm not kidding. 53:58.221 --> 54:00.341 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like this big. 54:00.361 --> 54:03.102 [SPEAKER_02]: I just do probably laughing, crazy. 54:03.682 --> 54:06.763 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got a five kilo runway. 54:08.160 --> 54:24.150 [SPEAKER_02]: But it beats like a mod a fucker, like it's it's actually such a fun thing to say so was this like a was this like a display power hammer or something or was it actually I mean used I think it's meant to be used. 54:24.431 --> 54:26.992 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure for what I don't use it. 54:27.272 --> 54:31.935 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I should But it's it's like 54:33.425 --> 54:40.409 [SPEAKER_02]: the smallest model of, it's not Chinese, but I think it's Pakistani, something like that. 54:40.470 --> 54:45.413 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those knock off power hammer brands, but then they just made it tiny. 54:46.994 --> 54:50.956 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like when you order or the power him on Timo and it looks bigger in the picture. 54:52.137 --> 54:54.038 [SPEAKER_02]: If I got this on Timo, I'd be so happy. 54:56.572 --> 55:00.854 [SPEAKER_02]: But I spent like $1400 on it, which is, it's way too much. 55:03.635 --> 55:04.095 [SPEAKER_02]: Arguably. 55:05.656 --> 55:06.916 [SPEAKER_03]: It's super cute. 55:07.016 --> 55:07.516 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, yeah. 55:07.897 --> 55:09.457 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought about bringing it to Nashville. 55:09.537 --> 55:11.418 [SPEAKER_02]: I just put it on my table to be honest. 55:12.038 --> 55:12.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Do it for fun. 55:12.538 --> 55:13.339 [SPEAKER_02]: But do it. 55:13.379 --> 55:16.700 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's still ways like 300 kilos, even though it's so small. 55:17.981 --> 55:18.901 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't do it. 55:18.921 --> 55:20.882 [SPEAKER_03]: 300 kilos. 55:20.962 --> 55:21.642 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe do it. 55:22.062 --> 55:23.123 [SPEAKER_03]: That'll be pretty cool. 55:23.543 --> 55:25.184 [SPEAKER_02]: If you can't live out, you can't get in there yet. 55:27.927 --> 55:33.609 [SPEAKER_02]: I was really struggling to get it in my workshop, even though it's so small, I can't really fighting it. 55:36.410 --> 55:38.230 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're driving there in the Tesla. 55:38.830 --> 55:44.552 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know if the Tesla is supposed to be handling power numbers in the back yet. 55:47.173 --> 55:50.914 [SPEAKER_03]: The five miles to the kilowatt hour. 55:51.034 --> 55:55.195 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not my Tesla, likely. 55:56.696 --> 56:00.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you guys all going to the to the maker camp in a regular space? 56:01.740 --> 56:04.141 [SPEAKER_02]: I am not no no, it's just so sad. 56:04.682 --> 56:14.128 [SPEAKER_03]: I know the guys just get this out of really cool I don't make cool in that he likes so no, I have a I have a boss. 56:14.769 --> 56:15.549 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'll be okay. 56:15.569 --> 56:16.170 [SPEAKER_03]: I said pasto. 56:16.430 --> 56:22.194 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yep I have people come to visit me right after the show. 56:23.575 --> 56:24.175 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh You as well 56:24.937 --> 56:25.437 [SPEAKER_02]: Who do you have? 56:25.817 --> 56:26.238 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we know? 56:26.858 --> 56:27.178 [SPEAKER_01]: Boy. 56:29.920 --> 56:30.820 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing his place. 56:31.241 --> 56:32.521 [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing your own make a camp. 56:32.541 --> 56:33.182 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, ah. 56:34.462 --> 56:36.183 [SPEAKER_01]: That the high car would make your camp. 56:37.064 --> 56:38.164 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. 56:38.505 --> 56:38.705 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 56:38.945 --> 56:42.007 [SPEAKER_03]: He Albert said that he will make proper cuisine. 56:42.167 --> 56:46.889 [SPEAKER_03]: And he will convert me into a reason, Hater, into a reason lover, really. 56:46.909 --> 56:48.250 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm exactly exactly. 56:48.410 --> 56:48.610 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 56:48.730 --> 56:50.091 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is fucking awesome. 56:50.111 --> 56:51.192 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you going to make the... 56:52.032 --> 56:56.594 [SPEAKER_02]: the porn pig out of raw pork or raw meat with onions. 56:57.254 --> 57:02.296 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make apple stew with raisins and tofu stew. 57:02.316 --> 57:03.536 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to cover that. 57:04.076 --> 57:05.757 [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. 57:06.377 --> 57:07.677 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm already eating plums. 57:08.118 --> 57:14.100 [SPEAKER_01]: So I might be asking how you have where there are. 57:14.120 --> 57:16.861 [SPEAKER_03]: During this so I ate like 12 12 plums. 57:17.521 --> 57:18.961 [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully I don't shit the better tonight. 57:21.392 --> 57:22.413 [SPEAKER_03]: Which one had the worm in it? 57:23.433 --> 57:23.813 [SPEAKER_03]: And none. 57:24.474 --> 57:33.138 [SPEAKER_03]: I have actually them, it's such a bad podcast, but in this, you can see from the outside, you can see, you can see the walls where they live, you know? 57:33.278 --> 57:34.959 [SPEAKER_03]: So, no need to confront it. 57:35.459 --> 57:39.181 [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, they are living such a beautiful life, these warms. 57:39.561 --> 57:45.664 [SPEAKER_03]: Imagine living in a place, everywhere, you just don't go back because it's all full of shit, but you are living in like 57:50.326 --> 57:58.432 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know what this party should be about that, but Plums is a good topic. 57:58.472 --> 58:00.954 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this is good, it's fine, it's fine. 58:01.295 --> 58:07.039 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is, you know, I'm back, I'm in geniuses coming back with fine. 58:07.299 --> 58:07.560 [SPEAKER_03]: Nice. 58:08.520 --> 58:11.022 [SPEAKER_03]: What are you guys most excited about for the night show? 58:11.443 --> 58:11.743 [SPEAKER_02]: Sales. 58:13.084 --> 58:13.464 [SPEAKER_02]: Sales. 58:15.146 --> 58:15.546 [SPEAKER_02]: Forget it. 58:15.586 --> 58:19.607 [SPEAKER_03]: Ben is going to sell all of it and then he's then nobody's got money anymore. 58:20.007 --> 58:21.788 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but he's a cool guy. 58:21.988 --> 58:22.428 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not. 58:22.888 --> 58:23.248 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not. 58:23.488 --> 58:24.228 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not. 58:24.509 --> 58:24.869 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not. 58:24.889 --> 58:28.350 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's why your best competition is no competition. 58:28.810 --> 58:31.230 [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, the Atasiko point is a point. 58:31.650 --> 58:35.071 [SPEAKER_02]: I think like 80% of the people coming to my trust first call in there. 58:35.691 --> 58:36.092 [SPEAKER_03]: Excellent. 58:36.332 --> 58:36.812 [SPEAKER_02]: Excellent. 58:38.103 --> 58:39.564 [SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna sell to all the military guys. 58:39.704 --> 58:41.545 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we'll sell their buys and I'll sell off with you. 58:42.525 --> 58:44.766 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, but he has to pay in euros. 58:45.466 --> 58:45.987 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no discount. 58:46.007 --> 58:46.527 [SPEAKER_04]: Bring some euros. 58:46.547 --> 58:47.147 [SPEAKER_04]: No discount. 58:47.187 --> 58:48.368 [SPEAKER_03]: Can I pay with the dollar please? 58:48.388 --> 58:48.628 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 58:48.648 --> 58:53.110 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, you know, I still feel sorry for him for the boat reacts, I don't think it was a boat. 58:53.130 --> 58:54.631 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, a lot of people. 58:54.951 --> 59:06.496 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 59:07.216 --> 59:07.597 [SPEAKER_02]: never. 59:08.217 --> 59:10.079 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I still feel too sorry for it. 59:11.300 --> 59:14.122 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's just it was such a hard break. 59:14.142 --> 59:17.645 [SPEAKER_03]: So you know it's better to make fun of Keith and cutting his finger. 59:17.785 --> 59:18.265 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's fine. 59:18.605 --> 59:18.986 [SPEAKER_03]: It's good. 59:19.006 --> 59:20.067 [SPEAKER_03]: Keith, you think I your finger? 59:20.847 --> 59:27.572 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't always talking about this line. 59:28.073 --> 59:28.373 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. 59:28.453 --> 59:30.435 [SPEAKER_03]: But what you are most excited to know? 59:31.990 --> 59:51.088 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, I think it's going to be seeing all of the cool knife makers, because I'm talking to them to be honest, I'm really, of course it's going to be nice to have some sales, but you can have those anyways, whether it's an I've sure or not, but the cool thing is just seeing so much inspiration on every other tables. 59:53.672 --> 01:00:04.495 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll be in a very nice corner with all the cool makers, you know, not like you, Pauli, but not that, okay, it's fine. 01:00:04.795 --> 01:00:05.155 [SPEAKER_03]: It's good. 01:00:05.455 --> 01:00:06.056 [SPEAKER_03]: It's don't come. 01:00:06.276 --> 01:00:07.496 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't come near my table. 01:00:11.357 --> 01:00:12.278 [SPEAKER_03]: I have this fine. 01:00:12.658 --> 01:00:14.219 [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I'm bringing you the train in 3rd. 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:15.801 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's fine. 01:00:15.921 --> 01:00:16.661 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. 01:00:16.781 --> 01:00:18.483 [SPEAKER_03]: But I kind of expected that it was. 01:00:18.683 --> 01:00:19.364 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in potatoes. 01:00:19.384 --> 01:00:21.225 [SPEAKER_03]: You're bringing not potatoes. 01:00:21.245 --> 01:00:22.706 [SPEAKER_03]: Come down, come down guys. 01:00:22.786 --> 01:00:23.667 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not potatoes. 01:00:24.287 --> 01:00:24.888 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry. 01:00:25.388 --> 01:00:26.649 [SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe, maybe it is. 01:00:27.110 --> 01:00:32.954 [SPEAKER_03]: But Timo, I thought you would say, if I remember correctly last year you were in the second room. 01:00:33.195 --> 01:00:36.978 [SPEAKER_03]: So you would say, you know, this year you are most excited about having AC. 01:00:42.496 --> 01:00:45.738 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it it's gonna be a different venue today, no or today to this year? 01:00:46.478 --> 01:00:53.100 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait bigger That but you'll see be honest. 01:00:53.240 --> 01:00:54.481 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be in a popular pair. 01:00:54.521 --> 01:01:04.345 [SPEAKER_02]: I think our haul was better our side You know first of all, I mean we had Adona as we had hunglar camo on all of the cool guys me Nipponberg 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:10.724 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and you guys, yeah, sure you had some cool makers, but we had the gym. 01:01:11.204 --> 01:01:13.105 [SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, we had the sales. 01:01:13.706 --> 01:01:14.566 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's fine. 01:01:14.806 --> 01:01:15.087 [SPEAKER_03]: Here's good. 01:01:15.127 --> 01:01:16.568 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, you come. 01:01:16.608 --> 01:01:18.008 [SPEAKER_03]: I think we have a lot of sales, too. 01:01:18.749 --> 01:01:20.670 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, come on, surely that. 01:01:20.970 --> 01:01:24.553 [SPEAKER_03]: But last year when you come in into your room, thank you. 01:01:24.813 --> 01:01:26.714 [SPEAKER_03]: In some fucking stinky room. 01:01:26.734 --> 01:01:26.954 [SPEAKER_03]: True. 01:01:27.555 --> 01:01:27.835 [SPEAKER_03]: True. 01:01:27.995 --> 01:01:29.676 [SPEAKER_03]: It was, it was horrible. 01:01:31.419 --> 01:01:34.761 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, by the way, you mentioned that Adonis was there on Twan. 01:01:34.781 --> 01:01:35.462 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 01:01:35.582 --> 01:01:40.525 [SPEAKER_03]: If I remember correctly, you did some kind of collaboration, or you did a visit him. 01:01:40.905 --> 01:01:41.505 [SPEAKER_03]: My, yes. 01:01:41.525 --> 01:01:43.927 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you want to spill something about that. 01:01:43.967 --> 01:01:44.627 [SPEAKER_02]: What you did? 01:01:44.687 --> 01:01:44.887 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:01:45.548 --> 01:01:49.510 [SPEAKER_02]: So for my studies, I was in Geneva in Switzerland. 01:01:50.211 --> 01:01:55.694 [SPEAKER_02]: And Adonis had one lived quite, he had just lived straight over the border of Geneva, it's like 30 minutes away. 01:01:56.735 --> 01:01:56.955 [SPEAKER_02]: And... 01:01:57.758 --> 01:02:01.059 [SPEAKER_02]: So we visited the particle collider in Geneva. 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:02.019 [SPEAKER_02]: I did all the cool stuff. 01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.120 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I went to on 243 days. 01:02:06.140 --> 01:02:07.841 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we ate a bunch of cross-hounds. 01:02:08.841 --> 01:02:12.122 [SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm not kidding. 01:02:12.202 --> 01:02:18.704 [SPEAKER_02]: Every morning he goes to the bakery and he gets some fresh pizza and cross-hounds in all the French stuff. 01:02:19.724 --> 01:02:21.604 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he goes to our shop. 01:02:21.864 --> 01:02:22.705 [SPEAKER_02]: It's great. 01:02:22.805 --> 01:02:23.545 [SPEAKER_02]: I should live like that. 01:02:25.690 --> 01:02:28.213 [SPEAKER_02]: But we decided on making a two-colab knives. 01:02:30.555 --> 01:02:34.618 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying I'm so much two-colab knives and halfway through we switched. 01:02:34.879 --> 01:02:37.601 [SPEAKER_02]: So I brought the steel for one of the knives. 01:02:37.881 --> 01:02:39.663 [SPEAKER_02]: I brought the handle material for the other knife. 01:02:40.584 --> 01:02:42.486 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, or the same knife. 01:02:42.866 --> 01:02:43.747 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I saying that correctly? 01:02:44.627 --> 01:02:55.122 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so he forged with that steel his profile, but then I made the handle with my profile on the handle on the plane. 01:02:55.142 --> 01:02:57.325 [SPEAKER_02]: So we switch it around and we did that twice. 01:02:58.362 --> 01:03:02.904 [SPEAKER_02]: And actually I made two knives in that day because I, the first one was just ugly. 01:03:02.924 --> 01:03:04.345 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, not nice. 01:03:04.485 --> 01:03:07.186 [SPEAKER_02]: It was stainless semi and I fucking hate stainless semi. 01:03:08.206 --> 01:03:11.388 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll never do it again. 01:03:11.408 --> 01:03:11.768 [SPEAKER_03]: Continue. 01:03:12.188 --> 01:03:13.249 [SPEAKER_03]: Why, why do you hate it? 01:03:13.609 --> 01:03:15.050 [SPEAKER_03]: But it was stainless done. 01:03:15.270 --> 01:03:16.630 [SPEAKER_02]: It warped like crazy. 01:03:17.070 --> 01:03:24.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's it for just okay, but as soon as you grind off a little too much on one side, it just, it just fucking collapse. 01:03:24.714 --> 01:03:26.455 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like black hole on itself somehow. 01:03:27.235 --> 01:03:28.956 [SPEAKER_02]: It crinkles like a wrinkle foil. 01:03:28.976 --> 01:03:30.316 [SPEAKER_02]: It's horrible. 01:03:31.237 --> 01:03:38.480 [SPEAKER_03]: And when you, but when you shouldn't, it's supposed to be like soft on the side, so it's easy piece of storytelling. 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:43.162 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, kind of, but stainless has such a, 01:03:44.832 --> 01:03:47.273 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just a shrinkage that it does. 01:03:48.254 --> 01:04:05.721 [SPEAKER_02]: But when you grind off too much of one side, it actually contracts so much that the knife goes kind of pringle shape and it really goes concave, especially when you grind really thin knives like I do, because I put so much taper into it. 01:04:05.801 --> 01:04:06.081 [SPEAKER_02]: It just 01:04:07.017 --> 01:04:16.459 [SPEAKER_02]: It just goes concave on one side and then you cannot fix it anymore, because it's concave and you cannot grind it even again, and that's just the worst fucking thing ever. 01:04:18.940 --> 01:04:20.500 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I hate it mostly. 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:25.841 [SPEAKER_02]: And I also it just fucks up your belts and it also gets super hot really quickly. 01:04:26.982 --> 01:04:29.142 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's my love not even love. 01:04:29.162 --> 01:04:31.683 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just my hate relationship with with stay in the same way. 01:04:31.863 --> 01:04:32.843 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll commit to miss wrong. 01:04:33.433 --> 01:04:34.154 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's right. 01:04:36.656 --> 01:04:37.737 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a folks. 01:04:38.098 --> 01:04:38.598 [SPEAKER_02]: You're ready here. 01:04:38.878 --> 01:04:42.182 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, fuck stainless down my foot. 01:04:43.343 --> 01:04:52.532 [SPEAKER_02]: But hunglar tried to convince me that he can make stainless some either I like, because it was made with martensitic stainless instead of austenitic, but it still sucks. 01:04:55.786 --> 01:04:58.769 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I like it than your laughing party, but we can't hear it. 01:04:58.789 --> 01:04:59.729 [SPEAKER_03]: You mean it. 01:05:00.370 --> 01:05:04.073 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I'm like I'm losing my mind because yeah, it's still sucks. 01:05:04.333 --> 01:05:05.074 [SPEAKER_03]: It's still sucks. 01:05:05.294 --> 01:05:06.214 [SPEAKER_03]: Hungler in your face. 01:05:06.294 --> 01:05:07.095 [SPEAKER_03]: It's still sucks. 01:05:07.395 --> 01:05:10.818 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I buy a lot of steel from me from the guy, so I should be honest with him. 01:05:13.947 --> 01:05:15.587 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's slightly less. 01:05:15.967 --> 01:05:19.608 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it kind of becomes concave. 01:05:19.968 --> 01:05:22.329 [SPEAKER_03]: What is your process to go in back and straighten it? 01:05:22.729 --> 01:05:23.989 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Graskan, you need to grind? 01:05:24.289 --> 01:05:24.729 [SPEAKER_03]: Trashcan. 01:05:25.249 --> 01:05:31.230 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you can try making shorter or smaller knife. 01:05:31.771 --> 01:05:35.951 [SPEAKER_02]: I've tried also just hammering it with hammer and trying to straighten it that way. 01:05:36.472 --> 01:05:40.392 [SPEAKER_02]: But when it goes concave like that, it's too far gone, really. 01:05:43.993 --> 01:05:44.613 [SPEAKER_02]: a good one anymore. 01:05:44.653 --> 01:05:58.720 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you straighten it then goes crinkling in the length and then it just goes every fucking direction and guided to the anger that it's brought up with me is you don't want to know. 01:05:59.640 --> 01:06:06.223 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and a lot of time went to those blades and then you know really won't go. 01:06:07.144 --> 01:06:10.826 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not worth, or maybe if you want to cut around the corner, it's good, you know. 01:06:14.060 --> 01:06:14.540 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 01:06:15.341 --> 01:06:34.933 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I've got I've got a wall in my shop, which is made of wood and every time I fuck up a knife It goes into the wall, but it's more of a nice throwing wall, so I just throw all of my anger and it's just Yankees That's a way to deal with it. 01:06:35.513 --> 01:06:38.715 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I hope they don't bone bones back. 01:06:38.735 --> 01:06:40.616 [SPEAKER_02]: Please sometimes sometimes they do 01:06:43.658 --> 01:06:51.683 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a big, big bucket or a batch of failed knives like I just throw in everything that his fucked up in there. 01:06:53.925 --> 01:07:05.392 [SPEAKER_02]: This one time I was working not too long ago on a batch of 10 knives and I was such a fucking idiot that I just left the shop while they were in the kiln and so they baked that awesome icing temperature for 24 hours. 01:07:06.452 --> 01:07:06.973 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no. 01:07:09.694 --> 01:07:11.555 [SPEAKER_03]: And so those went also into the bucket of 01:07:12.696 --> 01:07:14.917 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, no return on that. 01:07:16.718 --> 01:07:27.383 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a question, by the way, browsing your Instagram and it might be, of course I'm talking, because I'm told me that I liked every post of you and it definitely did not. 01:07:27.884 --> 01:07:28.964 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why you love it. 01:07:29.064 --> 01:07:30.185 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm waiting. 01:07:31.123 --> 01:07:36.705 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the night, night finish, night start finish is like secret sauce. 01:07:37.146 --> 01:07:38.166 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a secret sauce. 01:07:38.926 --> 01:07:43.228 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, maybe maybe you want to spill a little bit about it without spilling the secret sauce. 01:07:43.288 --> 01:07:44.369 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it looks amazing. 01:07:44.489 --> 01:07:45.669 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks great. 01:07:45.789 --> 01:07:46.790 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll spill a little bit. 01:07:46.830 --> 01:07:47.430 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll spill a little bit. 01:07:47.890 --> 01:07:53.753 [SPEAKER_02]: So as all great things, it started out as, oh, I should maybe introduce it. 01:07:53.853 --> 01:07:57.234 [SPEAKER_02]: So those who don't know what the story night finish is because I can imagine it's 01:07:58.695 --> 01:08:17.549 [SPEAKER_02]: it's hard to understand, but it's basically a vibrant blue purple rainbow finish, like you would seem to see this go, but it brings out a lot of colors in the steel, almost like it's been tempered at a total hot of a temperature, and I can assure it's not. 01:08:18.150 --> 01:08:25.055 [SPEAKER_02]: But for those who want to know, it is similar to the temper colors, as in it's a thin oxide layer, 01:08:28.585 --> 01:08:34.952 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll give some of the secret sauce away and that it has to be, but it works best with tungsten alloy steels. 01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:38.742 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not sure to, too sure why. 01:08:39.002 --> 01:08:53.091 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, I found out experimentally, but you can see it as what in patina, patina, like the patina on tungsten-silis-apex ultra is just vibrant blue and they make for the very vibrant colors. 01:08:53.651 --> 01:08:57.854 [SPEAKER_02]: And so for the starry night finish, it's not just about the finish itself. 01:08:58.846 --> 01:09:01.948 [SPEAKER_02]: and applying those colors, but it's also about the steel. 01:09:02.228 --> 01:09:11.174 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I always make for the specializing like a billets of eight or nine or 10 alloys of different carbon seals. 01:09:11.955 --> 01:09:17.739 [SPEAKER_02]: And that way, it doesn't just get one blue color, but instead gets every alloy, it gets its own color. 01:09:18.299 --> 01:09:21.261 [SPEAKER_02]: So one is blue one is maybe a big gray or a purple. 01:09:22.061 --> 01:09:22.141 [SPEAKER_02]: And 01:09:23.062 --> 01:09:29.190 [SPEAKER_02]: together with some very, some very, very wild Damascus, you can get some very interesting patterns. 01:09:30.672 --> 01:09:33.977 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they really start looking like starry night skies. 01:09:34.798 --> 01:09:39.384 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I'm in love with the, with the style and idea of it. 01:09:40.318 --> 01:09:41.479 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a pain. 01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:43.220 [SPEAKER_03]: It looks great. 01:09:43.581 --> 01:09:44.381 [SPEAKER_03]: It looks amazing. 01:09:45.062 --> 01:09:54.549 [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen anything like this or maybe it kind of reminds me in like, Thai mascos, I guess. 01:09:55.150 --> 01:09:55.410 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:09:55.690 --> 01:09:55.971 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:09:56.011 --> 01:09:56.311 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:09:56.611 --> 01:10:01.655 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, kind of similar colors, but yeah, differently applied because they kind of 01:10:02.896 --> 01:10:11.688 [SPEAKER_03]: don't color the layers themselves, but color looks like, you know, it's hard to describe, but at least I got to Instagram, right? 01:10:12.489 --> 01:10:14.751 [SPEAKER_03]: But is it like, is it durable? 01:10:15.713 --> 01:10:17.735 [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's sadly not very durable yet. 01:10:19.478 --> 01:10:21.200 [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to work on making it more durable. 01:10:22.701 --> 01:10:40.130 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not that it will go rub off, in that sense of durable, but the problem is just that with Aspatina builds up, it will start fading away the colors because as with any patina, the colors will start to gray out, essentially. 01:10:41.530 --> 01:10:46.373 [SPEAKER_02]: And you will still, the Damascus pattern will still be very visible, et cetera. 01:10:46.473 --> 01:10:50.315 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just gonna be a bit of a less vibrant color. 01:10:51.443 --> 01:11:00.671 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have thought about putting on like a nanocoding, stuff like that, but I still need to experiment with that. 01:11:00.971 --> 01:11:05.675 [SPEAKER_02]: To see if maybe we can make it more corrosion resistant, essentially. 01:11:06.275 --> 01:11:15.703 [SPEAKER_03]: So if they are carbon steel, patina and oxidizing is being off every finish that you have on it. 01:11:16.424 --> 01:11:17.264 [SPEAKER_03]: Essentially, yeah. 01:11:18.325 --> 01:11:36.809 [SPEAKER_03]: If you have a shallow edge, I guess even the Damascus patterns tend to, you know, not to be as contrasting during the years, which is, I guess it's normal, but if people, if do people send you back for a spa day, you can reapply it, right? 01:11:36.989 --> 01:11:39.630 [SPEAKER_03]: I can, yeah, it's just a shitty job. 01:11:40.710 --> 01:11:45.833 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it looks great, you know, yeah, it's worth it, isn't it? 01:11:46.013 --> 01:11:48.455 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm bringing any Starry Night nights. 01:11:49.075 --> 01:11:51.316 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yes, I made it. 01:11:51.336 --> 01:11:53.037 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I will bring one for sale. 01:11:54.558 --> 01:12:00.962 [SPEAKER_02]: Because once you're looking at was a batch of four, which I spent a couple of months working on. 01:12:02.058 --> 01:12:14.324 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have one that I purposely did not sell in order to keep it for Austria, but I will actually have two of them because one of the customers said, hey, can I pick it up at nice for Austria instead? 01:12:14.764 --> 01:12:21.107 [SPEAKER_02]: So, there will be two for should to see in one for sale. 01:12:21.727 --> 01:12:29.591 [SPEAKER_02]: I did have some people reach out already if they could buy the Starring Knight for Austria, but first come for a serve, huh? 01:12:29.997 --> 01:12:30.778 [SPEAKER_03]: Makes sense. 01:12:30.878 --> 01:12:31.358 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 01:12:31.398 --> 01:12:32.339 [SPEAKER_03]: The early birds. 01:12:33.139 --> 01:12:33.339 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:33.799 [SPEAKER_03]: The flunk. 01:12:34.100 --> 01:12:35.140 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't walk. 01:12:35.601 --> 01:12:38.883 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when, when, when, when, when Cameron is sold out, then though. 01:12:39.903 --> 01:12:40.104 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:12:40.544 --> 01:12:40.764 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:12:40.804 --> 01:12:40.904 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:12:41.084 --> 01:12:44.086 [SPEAKER_03]: And he's imprisoned to the table because he needs to stay there. 01:12:44.106 --> 01:12:44.666 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:12:44.686 --> 01:12:44.867 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 01:12:44.887 --> 01:12:45.167 [SPEAKER_03]: Fine. 01:12:45.387 --> 01:12:47.588 [SPEAKER_03]: So I need to not rub it into our faces. 01:12:47.608 --> 01:12:49.489 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he has to stay there in his shell. 01:12:50.110 --> 01:12:50.470 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:12:50.490 --> 01:12:53.112 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to, I want to circle back a little bit to you. 01:12:53.132 --> 01:12:53.612 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:12:53.952 --> 01:12:56.054 [SPEAKER_03]: Collaboration with Antoine because you are. 01:12:56.134 --> 01:12:56.534 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry. 01:12:56.554 --> 01:12:56.654 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:12:58.295 --> 01:12:59.595 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's fine. 01:12:59.735 --> 01:13:00.475 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great. 01:13:00.615 --> 01:13:02.836 [SPEAKER_03]: It's good. 01:13:03.336 --> 01:13:08.977 [SPEAKER_03]: You were working there for three to four days, I guess, with Antoine, then you were working in another maker's shop. 01:13:10.717 --> 01:13:16.918 [SPEAKER_03]: Because we are all self-taught or learn from each other, you know, and we mix and match our skills. 01:13:17.078 --> 01:13:20.939 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you have any like takeaways from that time where it was like, 01:13:27.654 --> 01:13:49.788 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if there's something I would take from on toon's workshop, essentially the way he makes his handles, I don't think I'm allowed to disclose it because he made this own system of his where he could make reproducible handles very nicely, very quickly, very accurately. 01:13:51.329 --> 01:13:55.871 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'd make my handles differently so I can't apply it to me, but to me it was very 01:13:57.392 --> 01:14:22.902 [SPEAKER_02]: very nice to see this way of making eyes or a fake making handles and the way he he grinds and finishes his knives with the rotary plan is way way different than I do it and it's just well not way way different but I take a totally different approach to polishing as he does where he goes way more slow and methodical on the grind 01:14:24.305 --> 01:14:26.508 [SPEAKER_02]: which I like. 01:14:26.548 --> 01:14:44.368 [SPEAKER_02]: That's about a bunch more hand work into in the geometry and in general I think there's a lot to learn from Antoine in his workflow of he's very clean and accurate in what he does whereas I'm a very messy guy. 01:14:48.814 --> 01:14:53.639 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like seeing somebody who works clean and effective like that. 01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:57.143 [SPEAKER_03]: I think his shop is not very big, right? 01:14:57.203 --> 01:14:58.925 [SPEAKER_03]: No, he has work in that way. 01:14:59.625 --> 01:14:59.986 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:15:00.446 --> 01:15:04.811 [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't remember his name. 01:15:05.432 --> 01:15:06.493 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember his name. 01:15:06.913 --> 01:15:11.238 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember his Instagram handle, but I would definitely recommend people to go and follow him. 01:15:11.378 --> 01:15:12.239 [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. 01:15:12.699 --> 01:15:26.653 [SPEAKER_03]: Especially, you can see how much work he is putting into the, like you said, hand work in the geometry of the knives and flattening the bevels and, you know, just making them maintainable and, you know, he puts a lot of effort into those. 01:15:27.454 --> 01:15:28.696 [SPEAKER_03]: So, higher accommodation. 01:15:29.096 --> 01:15:29.536 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 01:15:30.177 --> 01:15:31.598 [SPEAKER_02]: He makes great stuff. 01:15:31.638 --> 01:15:36.242 [SPEAKER_02]: He recently made a frame handle very similar to mine, actually. 01:15:37.983 --> 01:15:45.609 [SPEAKER_02]: But he also, again, did it in a different way to either, and it's just cool to see a different approach to that. 01:15:46.850 --> 01:15:49.592 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you mean, I think the Berserk knife, but you do it. 01:15:50.073 --> 01:15:50.853 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, amazing. 01:15:51.154 --> 01:15:51.714 [SPEAKER_03]: Fucking awesome. 01:15:52.094 --> 01:15:52.515 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it. 01:15:52.855 --> 01:15:53.115 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it. 01:15:53.155 --> 01:15:53.696 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so good. 01:15:54.316 --> 01:15:54.596 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. 01:15:54.817 --> 01:15:56.578 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's it's it's wonderful. 01:15:56.918 --> 01:15:57.278 [SPEAKER_02]: It's wonderful. 01:16:10.735 --> 01:16:16.337 [SPEAKER_03]: And to you yourself, you make a wide array of different, let's say, blatant handle configurations. 01:16:17.098 --> 01:16:28.862 [SPEAKER_03]: If I remember correctly, you also did like key holes, you did like y handles, you did, how do you say it's like a horizontal tang, right where it goes this way. 01:16:29.402 --> 01:16:34.524 [SPEAKER_03]: And also you used rivets on the handles, or maybe screws from the top. 01:16:35.264 --> 01:16:43.325 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, but at least I saw it, it's crying through your teeth where the tang is actually only on the top side. 01:16:43.765 --> 01:16:45.046 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes. 01:16:45.206 --> 01:16:46.686 [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing, right? 01:16:48.426 --> 01:16:57.308 [SPEAKER_03]: And you have it looks like you have a very versatile, you know, toolbox of skills and do you know like which one we are the hardest 01:17:04.329 --> 01:17:31.994 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I really, really enjoy going out of the box with that, and I just, I don't quite fuck with making the same thing over and over again, and other than just innovating for a sake of profit or for the sake of innovating, I really like to push the boundaries of my work, and keyholes are of course a great way of doing that, but I like 01:17:32.998 --> 01:17:34.359 [SPEAKER_02]: I like thinking of new ways. 01:17:34.699 --> 01:17:44.506 [SPEAKER_02]: You can configure the same item in a different way because we're constrained to the way and I functions if you think about it of more of a design aspect. 01:17:45.207 --> 01:17:58.837 [SPEAKER_02]: But inside of that framework, we have so many material combinations and fascinating combinations that we can work with and I would like to take more in future more inspiration from woodwork 01:18:01.010 --> 01:18:26.523 [SPEAKER_02]: people have a lot of interesting joinery and that's really got me going on on ways to attach the handle to knife in creative ways with maybe wedgings or other other cool things and I also picked up a jewelry making and with the intent of having more eye to detail and picking up more of 01:18:31.513 --> 01:18:32.894 [SPEAKER_02]: works, what do you call that? 01:18:32.995 --> 01:18:37.259 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, skills that apply to those kind of detail works. 01:18:37.979 --> 01:18:42.904 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so we can expect some maybe some in-lays maybe something something interesting. 01:18:42.924 --> 01:18:44.746 [SPEAKER_03]: Great things. 01:18:44.806 --> 01:18:49.210 [SPEAKER_03]: Have you have you ever tried to do a take-down? 01:18:49.391 --> 01:18:50.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I do many. 01:18:50.392 --> 01:18:51.212 [SPEAKER_02]: I do many take-downs. 01:18:55.170 --> 01:19:01.733 [SPEAKER_02]: I recently, actually, I went for a very, very cool takedown son, which is not on my Instagram. 01:19:01.773 --> 01:19:02.333 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, it is. 01:19:02.413 --> 01:19:02.713 [SPEAKER_02]: It is. 01:19:04.974 --> 01:19:06.054 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I've got to find it though. 01:19:06.534 --> 01:19:08.755 [SPEAKER_02]: If I go, how do I go to my profile? 01:19:09.996 --> 01:19:18.739 [SPEAKER_02]: It basically, it goes together without any, any screws in the knife handle itself. 01:19:19.819 --> 01:19:20.760 [SPEAKER_02]: Or it does have a screw. 01:19:21.882 --> 01:19:34.448 [SPEAKER_02]: But the tying is kind of a t-shaped and in the back, whatever attaches to the t-shaped kind of licking a key I think it kind of latches in and then it pulls. 01:19:35.318 --> 01:19:54.880 [SPEAKER_02]: Ah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 01:19:56.639 --> 01:20:09.831 [SPEAKER_02]: And this way I could just make the tag a specific shape and it hooks in and it fastens in and it makes it for a very very clean way of attaching it and that's one of the examples of 01:20:10.792 --> 01:20:20.121 [SPEAKER_02]: trying to innovate with more of the woodworking type of joineries, which is, yeah, extremely, yeah, IKEA. 01:20:20.762 --> 01:20:21.302 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 01:20:21.382 --> 01:20:25.406 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, yeah, just to fund around, but that's really a brilliant way. 01:20:25.626 --> 01:20:28.989 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we don't have to crew like, yeah, it's too simple. 01:20:29.830 --> 01:20:48.304 [SPEAKER_02]: But because I made it and I thought of it, I was laying in bed sometime to think of ways to attach it as like it's got to be possible and then I made it and only then did I realize that it wasn't a key I think so yeah back what's engineering and yeah you know it's fine it's fine it doesn't count to secure 01:20:50.120 --> 01:20:51.462 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that is interesting. 01:20:51.542 --> 01:20:57.533 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to see you stuff with some maybe jewelry making integration. 01:20:57.833 --> 01:21:00.398 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe when the flower and I get a revamp. 01:21:02.969 --> 01:21:27.780 [SPEAKER_02]: that could be a very cool project, which is, yeah, my initial intent, I think with the jewelry making was also partially from David Volka, some of you may know, he made a lot of gorgeous, gorgeous jewelry, which inspired me to make that, but also try to implement it into the knives, and with the flower knife, I would like the stem of the flower to go into 01:21:31.752 --> 01:21:40.423 [SPEAKER_02]: frame handle, but with the roots of the plant going into the brown's eyes, I would that's that's the ankle that's ankle. 01:21:40.964 --> 01:21:44.829 [SPEAKER_03]: It's got to take a while still you still have to figure out everything in between. 01:21:47.532 --> 01:21:51.354 [SPEAKER_02]: We got what in a month before at the show, maybe two, twenty a time. 01:21:51.594 --> 01:21:52.935 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, 43 days. 01:21:53.535 --> 01:21:56.237 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and send hand-sounding back in the Tesla. 01:21:56.497 --> 01:21:56.877 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. 01:21:56.957 --> 01:21:57.718 [SPEAKER_02]: It's good, guys. 01:21:57.738 --> 01:21:58.598 [SPEAKER_03]: That's good. 01:21:59.098 --> 01:22:01.880 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really the well-stelled way of doing things, huh? 01:22:01.940 --> 01:22:02.400 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:22:03.160 --> 01:22:04.581 [SPEAKER_03]: You just have to water the flower. 01:22:04.761 --> 01:22:05.202 [SPEAKER_03]: It will grow. 01:22:05.262 --> 01:22:05.602 [SPEAKER_03]: It will go. 01:22:05.622 --> 01:22:05.962 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. 01:22:09.537 --> 01:22:11.439 [SPEAKER_02]: Just start with a seed of Damascus, too. 01:22:11.779 --> 01:22:24.372 [SPEAKER_03]: But it looked him up, but it's like you could do the for your YouTube or for Instagram, you know, like the guys do the burning of a feather to do the feathered Damascus, you could do it then totally with the flower. 01:22:24.692 --> 01:22:26.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what we even, even cooler. 01:22:26.394 --> 01:22:40.649 [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be a really funny, uh, I think Instagram real to bait people is to put a piece of steel, put a flower on it, and just put it in the kiln, and take it out and get the flower to mask. 01:22:41.149 --> 01:22:42.010 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just bait them. 01:22:42.251 --> 01:22:42.831 [SPEAKER_03]: Just bait them. 01:22:43.051 --> 01:22:43.932 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so easy, guys. 01:22:44.433 --> 01:22:45.154 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that hard. 01:22:45.274 --> 01:22:46.775 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just imprinted into the steel. 01:22:46.815 --> 01:22:47.076 [SPEAKER_02]: Come on. 01:22:47.764 --> 01:22:49.025 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's brilliant. 01:22:49.165 --> 01:22:49.626 [SPEAKER_03]: Brilliant. 01:22:49.726 --> 01:22:51.027 [SPEAKER_03]: Is he pressed it hard enough? 01:22:52.168 --> 01:22:57.593 [SPEAKER_04]: Have you seen some of the woodworkers when they use electricity and some kind of electrolytes? 01:22:57.933 --> 01:22:58.794 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah. 01:22:59.455 --> 01:23:01.497 [SPEAKER_04]: It makes kind of like a lightenable pattern though. 01:23:01.937 --> 01:23:05.701 [SPEAKER_04]: Be cool for the roots if you get that onto the piece of wood. 01:23:05.721 --> 01:23:07.062 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a very great idea, actually. 01:23:07.082 --> 01:23:08.423 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like that. 01:23:10.625 --> 01:23:38.890 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I generally have a dislike for epoxy handles, which I think this would work higher some sort of epoxy work to make it seal, but it just it feels too plasquated, plastic heat to me, and it lacks the depth, but I very much like the creative thinking that comes with all of these different techniques to implement them into the knife making, for instance, those those electric roots or whatever they are called having. 01:23:39.670 --> 01:23:44.192 [SPEAKER_02]: Lichtenberg figures, but you don't have to use epoxy. 01:23:44.212 --> 01:23:47.013 [SPEAKER_04]: You could fill it in with some kind of metal, too, like a soft metal. 01:23:47.333 --> 01:23:49.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, for a silver gold. 01:23:50.135 --> 01:23:52.396 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pure gold. 01:23:53.076 --> 01:23:55.857 [SPEAKER_02]: Glass, maybe got you know, glass blowing. 01:23:56.578 --> 01:23:59.259 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude, I don't want to get into glass blowing. 01:23:59.559 --> 01:23:59.739 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.200 [SPEAKER_03]: That'd be sick. 01:24:02.240 --> 01:24:03.180 [SPEAKER_03]: That would be sick. 01:24:03.621 --> 01:24:05.061 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's too many hobbies already though. 01:24:05.441 --> 01:24:07.042 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot quieter than a power hammer though. 01:24:10.448 --> 01:24:18.951 [SPEAKER_02]: So to be honest, to be killing the time but to have something to do on the shop, I'm making quite a lot of pottery right now. 01:24:20.012 --> 01:24:28.875 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've actually been experimenting a shit ton with making Damascus prior in clay and then making tea cups and tea pots from that. 01:24:29.756 --> 01:24:30.836 [SPEAKER_02]: To match the knife set. 01:24:31.416 --> 01:24:33.797 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe there's a new market. 01:24:34.778 --> 01:24:36.498 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll bring some, bring some to the knife show. 01:24:36.578 --> 01:24:37.839 [SPEAKER_02]: I will, that would be so cool. 01:24:39.027 --> 01:24:47.752 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing some Turkish twists as well into the clay, it's, yeah, it's going to be, and what is your opinion about Turkish twists? 01:24:48.152 --> 01:24:50.914 [SPEAKER_03]: Under it or over it, it's over it, for sure. 01:24:51.707 --> 01:24:55.409 [SPEAKER_03]: overrated, because it's not difficult, but it looks nice. 01:24:55.910 --> 01:24:57.651 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't look nice, that's the thing. 01:24:59.212 --> 01:24:59.812 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean? 01:25:00.092 --> 01:25:01.333 [SPEAKER_03]: No, okay, okay, okay. 01:25:02.193 --> 01:25:03.874 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, please clarify. 01:25:04.095 --> 01:25:09.118 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so the Turkish was that I saw was I think Nippemburg did it. 01:25:09.598 --> 01:25:10.739 [SPEAKER_03]: I can fire. 01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:11.559 [SPEAKER_03]: Amazing. 01:25:11.739 --> 01:25:12.520 [SPEAKER_03]: Looks great. 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:21.724 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's, don't need to be like fancy pantsy, mosaic, Damascus, blah, blah, blah, you know, all square octagon's, you know, bullshit. 01:25:21.904 --> 01:25:23.285 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it looks great. 01:25:23.425 --> 01:25:23.965 [SPEAKER_03]: It looks great. 01:25:24.425 --> 01:25:28.027 [SPEAKER_03]: And the argument that it is like 2000 years old or whatever, 01:25:29.047 --> 01:25:29.567 [SPEAKER_03]: So was it? 01:25:30.008 --> 01:25:30.988 [SPEAKER_04]: Isn't that the Turkish? 01:25:31.388 --> 01:25:31.529 [SPEAKER_04]: Is it? 01:25:31.549 --> 01:25:32.549 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 01:25:32.609 --> 01:25:33.430 [SPEAKER_03]: Ottoman Empire. 01:25:33.470 --> 01:25:34.850 [SPEAKER_03]: It was the sense. 01:25:34.930 --> 01:25:38.492 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 01:25:39.353 --> 01:25:41.654 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, I think it looks nice. 01:25:42.255 --> 01:25:42.935 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks really nice. 01:25:43.015 --> 01:25:43.255 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:25:43.275 --> 01:25:49.939 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think, I mean, for in general, for my knives, I'm just the biggest fan of organic patterns. 01:25:50.459 --> 01:25:52.320 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Turkish Swiss is too clean. 01:25:53.701 --> 01:26:12.275 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my, I think for some knives, it can work, but just like Mosaic, the mask is I'm just not a fan of the super tight lines and there's a normal twist the mask is can be so much nicer if it's a bit more organic like the Berg, Bergman twist, Domestika makes, that's, that's perfect. 01:26:12.295 --> 01:26:14.797 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it's got some twist, it's, it's, it's got 01:26:17.569 --> 01:26:24.212 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, no, no, hey, to Nippenberg, who makes wonderful twist of ask is, but it's just not my thing. 01:26:24.392 --> 01:26:32.636 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we are not cheating on Nippenberg, we are cheating on his artistic choice. 01:26:33.277 --> 01:26:37.479 [SPEAKER_03]: But he's like, you know, he's engineer, you know? 01:26:37.579 --> 01:26:41.621 [SPEAKER_03]: It kind of goes together with it, you know, you need to be precise and you need to align it. 01:26:41.761 --> 01:26:43.642 [SPEAKER_03]: And he does it really, really well. 01:26:43.742 --> 01:26:44.142 [SPEAKER_03]: He does. 01:26:45.323 --> 01:26:48.644 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one of, do you have like a top pattern? 01:26:48.844 --> 01:26:56.047 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, that is up there, that you would like to do or, you know, or that you are doing and you love it. 01:26:56.707 --> 01:26:58.187 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been a while since I've seen it. 01:26:58.627 --> 01:27:03.829 [SPEAKER_02]: But a long time ago, I saw a pattern called, I think, Seraphim. 01:27:04.289 --> 01:27:05.910 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if I'm saying that correctly. 01:27:06.710 --> 01:27:11.752 [SPEAKER_02]: It was some sort of stretched out seas into the length of the knife. 01:27:12.697 --> 01:27:15.938 [SPEAKER_02]: And it kind of looked like it was just spreading into that. 01:27:16.098 --> 01:27:18.319 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, it's going to be a wild to search it up. 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:20.059 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm, I can't remember who made it. 01:27:20.160 --> 01:27:21.500 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe to art the fishery. 01:27:22.540 --> 01:27:25.501 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's a wild guess, it's like groupals, right? 01:27:26.342 --> 01:27:27.122 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of, yes. 01:27:27.782 --> 01:27:30.123 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't measure if I can find out. 01:27:31.213 --> 01:27:53.638 [SPEAKER_02]: how to make them like, it's impressive work, it's like, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, 01:27:55.419 --> 01:27:56.700 [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely everybody makes. 01:27:59.363 --> 01:28:00.604 [SPEAKER_03]: I just love topographical. 01:28:00.845 --> 01:28:02.967 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just, you know, easy to default choice. 01:28:03.107 --> 01:28:03.828 [SPEAKER_03]: It's beautiful. 01:28:04.008 --> 01:28:08.152 [SPEAKER_03]: Topographical is, give me a rough topographical out of it. 01:28:08.733 --> 01:28:09.454 [SPEAKER_02]: So you mean like, 01:28:10.795 --> 01:28:12.596 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of wild random Damascus. 01:28:13.497 --> 01:28:24.544 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it needs to be, I guess, a San Mai, because you can see like small islands, and you have like this dark, dark center of it, and it's just wonderful. 01:28:24.604 --> 01:28:29.106 [SPEAKER_03]: I think Cariz, Caro, that's a similar. 01:28:29.727 --> 01:28:31.548 [SPEAKER_02]: He does it very well. 01:28:32.168 --> 01:28:34.430 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I am the biggest fan of Cariz Carroll. 01:28:34.490 --> 01:28:35.770 [SPEAKER_02]: There is, I think. 01:28:35.790 --> 01:28:38.252 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's a lot of culture, you can see. 01:28:41.117 --> 01:28:46.981 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you know, but I also spent a week with Antoine in Krakow together with Karis. 01:28:47.782 --> 01:28:50.765 [SPEAKER_02]: And just brought time or brought to the workshop. 01:28:51.445 --> 01:28:53.507 [SPEAKER_02]: Both brought time and little knife making as well. 01:28:54.688 --> 01:29:00.072 [SPEAKER_02]: And we spent a few days in the shop just making bullshit and it was the best time ever. 01:29:02.314 --> 01:29:02.895 [SPEAKER_02]: So many bums. 01:29:07.107 --> 01:29:09.432 [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds like more broad time than you know in the city. 01:29:09.632 --> 01:29:16.105 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it makes wonderful, a distinct pieces of the, you know, the, the etching that he does like with the. 01:29:18.342 --> 01:29:46.033 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the texturing and occasionally I sent him some concrete brutalist memes, some piece of the texturing, yeah, the texturing he does is, it's wonderful, that's the the biggest takeaway I got from him was peg more attention to texturing and it's one of the underrated skills that knife maker can have is playing with textures and he has I think one of the edges hope makers is here kind of the key says, but it's going to be peeped out. 01:29:46.952 --> 01:29:48.092 [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be wild. 01:29:49.313 --> 01:29:49.953 [SPEAKER_03]: Why should it? 01:29:50.153 --> 01:29:52.594 [SPEAKER_03]: Why should he announce to Tondi his Instagram? 01:29:53.094 --> 01:29:53.314 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:29:53.334 --> 01:29:54.054 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 01:29:54.195 --> 01:29:57.316 [SPEAKER_03]: Leave it in. 01:29:57.356 --> 01:29:58.536 [SPEAKER_03]: Just a point in the dice. 01:29:58.916 --> 01:29:59.996 [SPEAKER_03]: Come on, tell us about it. 01:30:00.016 --> 01:30:00.537 [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no. 01:30:00.617 --> 01:30:01.717 [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't really matter. 01:30:02.577 --> 01:30:06.179 [SPEAKER_02]: But is it, is it a secret who's the one who's the makers have the edge of hope? 01:30:06.619 --> 01:30:07.059 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 01:30:07.099 --> 01:30:09.480 [SPEAKER_04]: We haven't released all of them yet, but we're doing it right now. 01:30:09.500 --> 01:30:12.961 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'll just put him out for next week and then it'll it'll be all before. 01:30:14.982 --> 01:30:28.948 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he does crazy attack just like like if you'd like doing Like metal pores or something and it didn't kind of pour all the way through it makes it into the bolster and into the right into the steel on the blades It looks amazing, but he does it on purpose. 01:30:28.988 --> 01:30:29.428 [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool. 01:30:29.448 --> 01:30:31.609 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's not like he fucks up. 01:30:31.829 --> 01:30:32.009 [SPEAKER_02]: He's 01:30:34.097 --> 01:30:48.593 [SPEAKER_03]: but it looks organic and like he spends so much time engraving and it's so hard I guess you need to have like big details, small details and everything needs to be in a flow with the carving tool to make it look like it, it is no organic organic. 01:30:49.214 --> 01:31:00.564 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was looking at his posts like a few days ago and I saw a comment that said like wow, this knife looks like it was fucked up or like a molten away or something like that. 01:31:00.924 --> 01:31:02.025 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, Oh, thank you. 01:31:02.045 --> 01:31:03.527 [SPEAKER_02]: That means I did my job very well. 01:31:05.488 --> 01:31:06.229 [SPEAKER_02]: And he really did. 01:31:06.289 --> 01:31:06.790 [SPEAKER_02]: He really did. 01:31:07.370 --> 01:31:09.432 [SPEAKER_04]: Or like you pull it a bit of a shipwreck or something. 01:31:09.752 --> 01:31:10.012 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:31:10.112 --> 01:31:10.973 [SPEAKER_04]: All stood up a little bit. 01:31:12.761 --> 01:31:17.302 [SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, it's such a distinct style that nobody really can copy it. 01:31:17.442 --> 01:31:19.983 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can take some inspiration from it. 01:31:20.083 --> 01:31:24.244 [SPEAKER_02]: But if I would put stuff like that into my nose, everyone would just say, it's Carl. 01:31:24.604 --> 01:31:28.665 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I think that's his main, his main strength. 01:31:28.745 --> 01:31:33.166 [SPEAKER_02]: He just made his own niche, such a nice way. 01:31:33.506 --> 01:31:34.766 [SPEAKER_02]: Just fuck up my knives. 01:31:38.570 --> 01:31:42.961 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's very distinct, you cannot even incorporate a little bit into your work. 01:31:43.783 --> 01:31:54.167 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe at the end of the handle, maybe at the very end, maybe, but you know, if the blade stays clean, you have this contrasty, because his style is through and through. 01:31:54.227 --> 01:32:01.830 [SPEAKER_03]: So we have the bolster that has the texture, the blade that has the texture and sometimes the handle and don't get started on the aluminum handles that he does. 01:32:01.990 --> 01:32:03.251 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God, it's so good. 01:32:03.391 --> 01:32:06.712 [SPEAKER_03]: Not that not the finger too much, but you know, so good. 01:32:07.053 --> 01:32:07.873 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all good. 01:32:08.053 --> 01:32:08.933 [SPEAKER_03]: It's, yeah. 01:32:09.694 --> 01:32:11.174 [SPEAKER_03]: He makes me, he makes me jealous. 01:32:13.738 --> 01:32:22.245 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, it's like a burning fire, you know, yeah, that's why you are always thinking, how do you know, wait and looking into, you know, carbon tree and other kind of venues? 01:32:22.285 --> 01:32:26.268 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I think you have like kind of a distinct style yourself. 01:32:26.748 --> 01:32:27.329 [SPEAKER_02]: I do, I do. 01:32:28.109 --> 01:32:36.976 [SPEAKER_02]: But I also try to evolve the style really because as much of it as it is distinct, it's never as distinct as Carl, for instance. 01:32:38.838 --> 01:32:48.588 [SPEAKER_02]: Because my eyes are not, I wouldn't say they're boring, but they're simplistic maybe in some sense, and I would like to maybe improve more on that and 01:32:49.605 --> 01:32:51.907 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess, it's a very hard question, you know? 01:32:52.127 --> 01:32:54.529 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's like going with a branding, you know? 01:32:54.769 --> 01:33:10.982 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you are pushing it weight over the top with the styling and like with anything that you do, a very good example is any like tactical life makers they just push it way too much, it's like facets, hard angles and it's like, look, then it looks like you give me. 01:33:11.902 --> 01:33:13.143 [SPEAKER_04]: match match match match match. 01:33:13.503 --> 01:33:22.150 [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like a gimmick, you know, it's just plopping some texture like the black G10 and it's all tactical all black and the best that's a bullshit like that. 01:33:22.570 --> 01:33:30.576 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't look like a cohesive piece of art, maybe a cohesive piece in general, you know. 01:33:31.016 --> 01:33:35.600 [SPEAKER_03]: And I think you are trading the line very, very nicely, you know, thank you very much. 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:36.280 [SPEAKER_03]: The details? 01:33:36.660 --> 01:33:36.841 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:33:37.481 --> 01:33:40.782 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe we'll start listening, so our podcast is done. 01:33:40.802 --> 01:33:42.422 [SPEAKER_03]: We haven't seen it for a long time. 01:33:43.383 --> 01:33:44.883 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to long drive to Napedroaster. 01:33:44.903 --> 01:33:46.163 [SPEAKER_04]: You can get a couple of episodes in. 01:33:46.543 --> 01:33:47.183 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 01:33:47.203 --> 01:33:49.464 [SPEAKER_02]: About maybe, maybe. 01:33:49.484 --> 01:33:52.985 [SPEAKER_02]: The guy who I'm driving with, I think he does listen to them. 01:33:53.045 --> 01:33:54.105 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you run. 01:33:54.805 --> 01:33:56.546 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're listening, I love you. 01:33:57.546 --> 01:34:00.287 [SPEAKER_04]: We are almost at an hour and 45 minutes. 01:34:00.307 --> 01:34:02.227 [SPEAKER_04]: I think we should save some of your stories 01:34:05.633 --> 01:34:08.915 [SPEAKER_04]: But is there anything you want to show it out? 01:34:08.955 --> 01:34:11.117 [SPEAKER_04]: Can you tell people where they can find you in secret? 01:34:11.137 --> 01:34:12.698 [SPEAKER_02]: And you have a website also, I believe. 01:34:13.078 --> 01:34:17.021 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, of course, you can find me on Instagram on at Heart at Nives. 01:34:17.762 --> 01:34:24.366 [SPEAKER_02]: And the website is www.heartatnives.nl.com. 01:34:24.386 --> 01:34:25.647 [SPEAKER_02]: 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