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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi everyone, my name is Tyler Oakley, and you are listening to PsychoBabble, an unfiltered half-hour of gossip sessions, pop culture scrutiny, and stories we've never told in videos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just crazy talk, it's PsychoBabble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This week we discussed the results of Corey's Bush-Wick Survivor Competition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was he the season's pork chop?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he make it to jury?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he win the whole thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Plus, might take away his from my very first burning man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I see Bethany Frankel?

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[SPEAKER_00]: foot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: welcome back ladies yes we live you know what sometimes we record ahead of time and then episodes go live that we like pre-recorded and then we're back and it feels like we haven't recorded in seven years so like what did I miss what what's happened in the world I don't know what we talked about I don't know what dear that we get is I don't know if watch way is up and down to upper one down

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, people don't know about two upper one down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I'll ask people to upper one down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the other way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One upper two down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One upper two, one up or two down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's when you pull somebody's rat tail, either one up or two down, if they're supposed to be equivalent, so you pick your poison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a coryway of bullying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's for the pain pigs in this world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about it before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it's the game of the pod.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it I think it's the game of the pot is one up or two down visual game of the pot Well, the official game of the pot is just and but the The unofficial game of the pot is one up or two down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never really been I never really got to do that with like a good rat tail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like I was always doing it with people's like bowl cut nubbins

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[SPEAKER_00]: Balka, nubbins?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you could, you could pull somebody's, oh no, really long side burns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could kind of hand held kind of a Nintendo switch style, two down, one up, left right, left right, up, down, up, down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Square triangle, circle, X.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was, what were the buttons on the, on the dream escape?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that even, what was that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, it's hard for me to like play a playstation and then we will back to my switch because the buttons are not the same and it even though there's four buttons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, I don't like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it when I play between the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: PlayStation did get one thing right and that was triangle as the top button.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's very right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good job And X being the bottom one square being the left one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's over there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's your cool?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about X gone give it to you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about circle gets the square?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does that even mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What when they said circle gets the square?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure because like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Rupal would be smart to give us a, um, uh, uh, at the very least a recurring challenge of, um, Hollywood squares.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's, that would be a fun challenge for them to have to learn how to do, like perform as a comedy head in a game show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, forget snatch game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do Hollywood squares, but they're still

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, Hollywood Squares, I'm in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just in time for Drag Race UK all stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't it get canceled?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I see something about Drag Race UK getting canceled?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They simultaneously said, Drag Race UK is leaving the BBC and going full time to wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the same day, announced that it's getting in all stars for UK next season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the production of everything is not influenced by the distribution of everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe it is influenced, but they're not necessarily like having to exist at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something can be made without having a distributor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, have to get someone from that country on the line and see if they care, because I'm watching it on while either way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, I did see some people say, okay, well, the, the, the, the upsides with leaving the BBC is maybe they will be able to have prizes, a dollar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: BBC, you can't, like, I don't know what the rules were, but that was part of the, the reason why BB, I mean, not BB, UK drag race was not having the same type of prize situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, Irish queens would no longer be forced to wear the country of their oppressor as if they were fit into the umbrella of the UK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they can get rid of the badges for me, that would be a plus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired of badges.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a fuck about badges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm tired of listening to people talking about them to get instead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Should they be sponsored by Crocs and they each get a they get a Crocodile charm when they win a challenge They should get nothing like they do in the US.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just sit around and talk about who's got how many wins?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't and then on fucking all-strily versus the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all bragging about badges.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like yet you're giving out two badges per episode hunt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like you're not all that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you're in the back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're in the match for a second place on UK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I miss did I miss who did somebody win Australia?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did something does that already over or no?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're about to well they'll be crowned by the time this episode comes out there will be a winner by the time of recording this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're so waiting

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm frantically trying to get caught up on big brother because I missed, I don't, when you leave the internet for, I don't know how many days to weeks-ish, you kind of like, miss, I don't know, a day's worth of TV if you're watching big brother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm frantically catching up on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when we got back from filming the amazing race and we had to, I had to lay on the couch

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, and I was unspoiled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of crowning, Corey, don't spoil it, but tell us about your, we know, as listeners, that Corey went on Bushwick Survivor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Corey represented us well, I hope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Corey, here's what I'm hoping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Corey,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Corey made it through to the jury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Corey became a comp beast when it mattered most, saved himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was able to convince others that he wasn't a threat, though he was the threat of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And went on to win the entire Bushwick survivor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I wrong?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I can spoil it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a 12 hour live stream if anybody's that curious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's bits and pieces on their Instagram, which is probably more digestible than a full 12 hour livestream, but you do you, um, baby, I had the time of my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was the number one fundraiser.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got advantages because of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, we, we, so we, uh, it's a, uh, a fund-raiser reality show there was a requirement that each contestant raise a minimum amount of money to participate because they wanted to like add an element of good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like jump rope for heart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was giving whoops for heart, jump rope for heart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody had what was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what it was raising money for?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know a lot of the people that we're listening, we're posting and commenting like Cory Good Luck, I don't need a bow of applause, so they really came through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was for a safe passage project, which helps with getting immigrant children lawyers in New York specifically for parents that were deported, that sort of thing, so that children who are here and have birthright are able to have lawyers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and have representation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was an awesome cause.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Overall, I think we raised the whole cast raised close to like $14,000, which I thought was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were the big winners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all supported me and I had just over 2,500, which was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I gave me an idol at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gave me a mutiny power, so you know on survivor when they do a tribe swap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did a tribe swap and I got to look and see where everybody landed up and I got swapped into a minority on the new tribe So you get what I'm saying like if you looked at old tribal lines green versus yellow I was on a minority like Eve waiting to get picked off I had a mutiny so I got to pull it out of my pocket and be like I'd like to change tribes, please

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that must have worked out for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It worked out for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to go back with my girlies who I had, I had like an all-girl alliance with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to go back and be safe with my girlies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to put us in a four-one majority.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that if we lost, we knew we were just gonna like, take off one of their people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Made the merge fully expected to be the first one out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like my threat level is raising I had played some advantages in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did the mutiny I was like people aren't people are watching me I was fully like I'll just be the first one out at merge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I squeaked by I squeaked by I kept squeaking by I kept catching votes I got another power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got another idol

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[SPEAKER_01]: baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She squeaked all the way to the final four and then my girl and then my girl alliance said he got a go or he going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so it was it was in the final four was your alliance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like the four you had made it together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was my two number ones and then one other girl from the other original tribe that we had kind of like pulled in and worked within the second half of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I had two girls from my original tribe who I was wanted to sit at the end with and I

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not going to let me sit at the end with them and so I just I was like, I'm risking it all on the I don't think I really didn't think anyone was gonna let me get that far So it's like my best bet is to win the final for immunity and take myself there and I did not do it But I really like felt like I was playing on borrowed time in the second half At like seven I was fully thought I was going home at six I was like that's okay If I go home at six in the fact that I made it all the way to the final four

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[SPEAKER_01]: was kind of crazy and I had the most fun and like nope, there were no biddergers, everybody was like so fun and positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I have friends in New York now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a it was like a 7 a.m. a call time until 11 p.m. at night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was crazy and then we went to a bar afterward to like have a drink and decompress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, did you vote for the winner?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I rallied for my girl and she ended up winning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did anybody have to make fire?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there an equivalent?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: In a park?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you even allowed to do that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were in a park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no fire making challenge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were wondering, like, what was going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they just did a traditional vote out instead of like the fire challenge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That they do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping there was one more challenge in the final four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was like, maybe I can win my way in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it was a traditional vote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I was, I was not the combs I wanted to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was really good at finding advantages and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like the only one who didn't win an individual immunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I guess it didn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally like, I think from like round not final nine on, I think I caught at least one vote every time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So at the fact that I made it to final four, I was very proud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I find that sometimes trying to do reality shows in the park, there's not really like nooks and crannies or downtime for you to like flex your social game without it looking just like whispering in the corner and everyone being able to see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was this any different because like I know when we did it it was hard to sneak away with somebody without it being like well they're talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it was certainly awkward I mean when we were like when they they had shuffled the tribes at 15 so then there were three tribes of five and that was when I was in the like four to one advantage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the poor girl who was the one, she was like, she would like talk to two of us and then she go talk to the other two of us, but we were all standing like 30 yards apart whispering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was a lot of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once it got dark, it was a little bit nicer because then you kind of, we were like in a little more of a wooded area, so you could go like around a tree and people really couldn't see who is talking to who.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you know what I think if you're if you're at home and you're planning something like this it would be who view to set up four three or four locations in the area that are designated social strategy areas where

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[SPEAKER_00]: you could pull somebody for a chat around a corner or something so that it's not just like open area and you can see who's whispering to who you kind of meaned something that emulates the experience of the social aspect of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were there any competitions that they organized

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a immunity challenge, is there anything like that that were iconic to the game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you did for your birthday or anything like that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they had a couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was this really cool hand-held maze where you were rolling a bead through the maze.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that was like...

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's as I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've roasted two of these, so I know not everything's perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was like, he was standing at the complete other end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was at the complete other end, and I'm like, had one cameraman over me, and I like got my beat in nobody saying anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, I got it, and then he was like, oh, I was just about to call it for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just watched her get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, well, she didn't shout out that she had it, and they gave the immunity to the other girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been really upset if I had went out on that round, but I didn't, so it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the only, maybe questionable thing that I was like, excuse me, especially because like I said, I was like the only one who hadn't won one and then they had that big circle thing where you put like a ball in the middle of it and you just have to like shake it, kind of and it keeps the ball spinning in a circle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I would be so good at that and everyone was good at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did it at like final five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was final five or final six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We went for like, oh, I was doing it for like almost 10 minutes before I finally dropped mine and then they were like, if you dropped it, come grab a flash light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's an idle hidden in the woods in the dark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So because they were trying to get people to quit the challenge to run into the woods for the idle, so at least I got to like do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought I had it and I was like, damn, these other two people are so much better at this than me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, congratulations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We at the cycle level podcast are proud of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're thinking about playing one of these or if you see people in your area, it's crazy because New York has like every burrow has one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've said what I'm now seeing on Instagram.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, if you ever want to do something like that, it was so fun and I'm glad I like took the risk and I'm glad I went and made new friends and everybody, like I said, was so kind and they had so many people volunteering who played in the past because this was like survivor bushwix season five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they had other people who had played previously helping out and running challenges and they were all so kind and they would like sneak to me and be like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved you and Tyler on the amazing race, and it would be like, oh, and they'd be like, I'm shocked that there are people here who have not recognized you from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yes, please don't blow my game until after.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I, you don't always leave those games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've played a few of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't always leave feeling like everything was run smoothly, and that everything was fair, and that you were happy with your placement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh honey, I know because I played the year, you're sure I've ever given it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was shenanigans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, what could I, you're like, ruminating about what you could do differently?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I was so at peace with all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, that's a blessing in disguise because I was so happy with how they ran the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like I said, I knew I, I felt like I couldn't have made it much further than I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was happy to get forth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well congrats with my girlies and now in their all-like let's have board game nights let's go to the movies and I'm like oh my god You're speaking my language

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the real, maybe the real prize after all was the friendship you made along the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, when I did my final confessional, I said, people come on this show and say, I didn't come here to make friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I came here to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I came here for both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm leaving, feeling like I made friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How was your burning man survivor?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did they have a burning man survivor?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did they run high survive?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did they run a weak long survivor competition?

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[SPEAKER_00]: In a way, so I don't think I even said it before I was going because I don't want to jinx anything sometimes on the pod if I'm going away for something or I don't want to blow my spot up or I don't even know or you know, I just like to be a little

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why, and then share afterward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I went to Burning Man and Honey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was an experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's the most involved thing you've ever gone and done?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the amazing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a little bit more involved than Burning Man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But besides that, like, okay, like a Coachella weekend or like, you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: a weekend do you have to plan or or a week you have to plan with logistics of glor and nothing I've ever done has even gotten close or compared to burning man like the whole premise of burning man is you you have to be radically self reliant in every single way of like food you are going to need in the middle of the desert water you're going to need every supply you could ever

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're what's it called like were you sleep?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're your national team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you're nest and I did a lot of research going into it was something that I've always wanted to do like I have many friends who have gone to Burning Man many people in my life who have asked Oh, have you ever been to Burning Man and I've had to say over and over like no, but I know someday I'm going to go but it had never really happened and so this year

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[SPEAKER_00]: The group that I went to Coachella with was itching for another adventure and it was suggested burning in and honestly I was the naysayer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was the one that was like you guys don't understand this is like impossible to figure out and very challenging to go do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And low and behold we figured it out and low and behold we did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't know what Burning Man is, it's an event in the middle of the desert in Nevada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been going on now for, I don't know, 30 years, 25 years, 30 years since the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's a documentary on HBO about it if you're curious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I did talk to a lot of people who have been to Burning Man, who have seen the documentary I wanted to like know if they thought it was a good representation or what they thought of it because it really gets into the behind the scenes of the non-profit that's formed like that helps guide the experience of Burning Man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But really what it is is like a communal effort to show up to the desert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: build an entire city from scratch and live there for a week together as an experiment in what could happen if everyone involved follows these 10 principles that they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are like radical inclusion, so everybody's welcome, leaving no trace, which I feel like if you camp you know that to be kind of like a common rule of thumb, but if you live in anywhere in society, you see

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's down to the smallest little thing that you wouldn't even think could be littering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like making sure you don't dispose of water that you've used anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to store your used water in a container to take and leave with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like all your garbage you take and leave with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what else?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, decommodification.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, no currency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is, um, communal is the effort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, you're not supposed to pay for anything while you're there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not supposed to charge people for anything while you're there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, one of the, um, the principles is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: gifting and so like e gifting without expectation to receive something returned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was really beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think to step into an attempt at society where it's not centered on work and money and an exchange of currency or you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what I really loved about it was like there's art everywhere and art installations everywhere and yes there's this huge city that they build of like camps and tents and everything like that but also in the center of the city is all of this like these standing art pieces that you can wander around and experience and a lot of them were like you can step into and

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's it called, like, interact with?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then deep outside of the city, if you like leave the circle that the city and the art is all in, you find like roaming art cars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these huge art,

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[SPEAKER_00]: experiences that are mobile that a very often will have like a DJ performing and it's just a it was a a singular experience and I feel like Corey you will absolutely have to come this was my stepping into it to get the details so that when we plan it for the two of us here

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're going to be prepared in in good hands, but I went with a theme camp, there's like you can solo camp and just bring your own tent and figure it out, but I went with this camp that I found in the directory and we applied and they said yes and so much of Burning Man

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of like satire of stuff and like everything's kind of a joke at society.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So ours, our theme for the camp was we were the only pool in the desert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we we ran like a registration from area where we register people and they have to fill out forms and then we promised them we're the only pool in the playa and so once they go and they find that there's no pool

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's it's like a pool setting and so we have lifeguards and we have pool noodles and inflatable but it's really just an empty pool that you can come in and we have DJs there all the time and events and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But um...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is kind of like what would exist in a city, but what's the playful version of it in the desert?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like there's a DMV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, there's like a deli.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a waffle house, but it's called Waffles and House.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you show up and they have Waffles and House music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a post office.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I could be there for a month and still not find and explore all the Nixon crannies because there are so many hidden little things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you turn a corner and go one, it opens a door, you might find like a speak easy, but like a speak easy, anything, a speak easy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we found a time machine, a plumbing time machine in a empty, like, um, uh, semi-truck bed and like, you wouldn't know to look in it, but you're kind of encouraged to explore with the idea of there might be like something magical around the corner and like, often you would find it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was playful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How very Mario Brothers of you in the pipes, warp pipes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really one of the most challenging things, but I loved it, and I can't wait to go back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely have some mixed feelings about

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an experiment that is attempting to provide the concept of decommodification, but where nobody is VIP, everyone is equal, but it really, I mean, no shade, but like most things that start purely in capitalism, they start bending toward,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Commodification in ways that things can be a little bit easier if you are a little bit richer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, for example, my core little group, we didn't have e-bikes, but if you have any bike, the experience of Burning Man is much easier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, if you are richer in the real world, you will have an easier time in this decommodified world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, the ways that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: money, seeps into your everyday life and affects how you're able to live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, I do find it continued to seep into Burning Man and how you're able to experience that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a while I appreciate it and all that it attempts to be, I think the experiments of it is showing

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[SPEAKER_00]: that it is not so easy to escape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Capitalism as we hope it to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still want to decompress a little.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I literally just got back and I'm processing it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm at wonderful people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I really loved about it that I think you would really thrive, a reason you would really thrive is so many people there are

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[SPEAKER_00]: open-hearted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like they understand we're here for a week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's skip the pleasant trees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's skip the what do you do for work?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's like dive in and like meet each other where we're at and like connect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so many times I would look over and I would be like Corey would love it here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On our block, the big like landmark for what our block was was on the end of it was a roller rink

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[SPEAKER_00]: From scratch, they built a roller rink in the middle of the desert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, Corey would love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Corey would be here driving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did they have roller skates for rental?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a friend of mine that I met on the desert, him and I would, we're just kind of standing around at the rental.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not even rental.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, come up and find to roller skates that fit you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we were helping these old women find their shoe size.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was such a cute, like, everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone is so open to saying hello and connecting it immediately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you come with me, I just, I can only imagine how much you're gonna thrive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do you go on the battle dome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not see the battle dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not see the battle dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that they existed this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if they were there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the city literally has everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have there's an orgy dome allegedly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't make it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Orgy and roller skating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What else could you need?

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[SPEAKER_00]: they have everything and it culminates with like at the end of the week they burn the man this huge man statue and all the art cars circle the man and so like it looks if you've ever been to EDC it kind of his EDC but in the desert as opposed to EDC is like it's very mad Max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's, um, I just remember feeling like when Adam Lambert was on American Idol, and they were all, there was pictures of him have surfaced from Burning Man, and that was the first and that was the first sight ever heard of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm definitely down to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I've, and now I'm glad you get to be my shepherd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you will thrive day one and I already see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that I really like about it is the whole premise is like we are meant to build the city together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It live in it and then tear down the city together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like rich people can really fly in on a private jet after build week and not build anything that can leave before everything's torn down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it kind of sucks because it's like there are definitely tourists to the experience and there's participants in the experience and it was nice because we showed up We didn't get to be there for all of build week, but we were there for a couple of days of it and so like we felt a bit of ownership of our camp because we built it like I was Bitch, I was there with like a drill and and You know hammer and hammer and yeah, yes, yes, I was like doing things

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and another thing that I really loved was our camp head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if you're listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is no shade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not shade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a spade of spade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some older gays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there were there were people of all ages at our in our camp, our community camp.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was really nice to connect with people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that are not my age and really nice to connect with people that are older than me and them just tell me stories of the 90s or the 80s or the 70s or teaching me how to use different tools for camping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really, it was really lovely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was definitely a dusty unpleasant at times experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You better be prepared to use like dude wipes as a shower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But besides that it was wonderful and I loved it and I definitely think you should do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently Bethany Frinkle was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I got back and I saw all this content from her, and I was kind of like, oh, so you were kind of like a tourist for engagement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I watched the documentary and saw how they were all anti capturing content on the play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, oh, everything was very put your fucking phone away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the porta-potties people wrote on the inside, put your fucking phone away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's very frowned upon to be collecting content.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't imagine somebody showing up up with a ring light in a camera crew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's very the vibe I got when I watched the documentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so all week last week, when I did see a couple of people posting here post in there, I was very...

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be doing that if I were there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But...

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[SPEAKER_01]: to each throw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, from time to time, I took some videos and pictures because I want memories in my brain as well, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the live posting from burning man, it's like, girl, log out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, be not be a little present.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who has service?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I had service, I would not be posting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be, I would be on Pokemon Go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be getting my steps in because it's a lot of steps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even with your non-motorized bike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Honey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it rained one day, which was enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I remember a few years ago apparently it rained all week and it was hell while one day of rain was enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like mud everywhere possible to yeah, but mostly it was perfect weather and perfect energy, perfect vibes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, like I said, I'm still processing the experience, but I found it to be at the age of what how old am I 37?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nice to feel something brand new.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nice to experience something that I've never experienced before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're feeling like you crave something like that, it's not easy, but it was worth it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Delilah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, today, look at us trying new things, exploring, and meeting new people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes!

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes!

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I miss anything in pop culture while I was gone?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did anybody die?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you were here when Dolly died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there was a lot of Dolly remixes playing everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's good, good for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was being celebrated and honored.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're working people fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also, that's, that's crazy that you're saying like you're still recovering from it all because yours was like a week long plus sort of thing and I'm like I'm I'm four days out of playing a 20 hour survivor and I'm still a little tired a little sore got some mosquito bites.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can find me still recovering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my biggest fear was trench foot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, because if you are wet and your socks are wet, you have to dry your feet all the time and spray which hazel and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's nice, the small comforts of home you don't realize until you leave them in your in a harsher environment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, this is nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to worry about my foot falling off or whatever could happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, trench foot, the last thing you need is trench foot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been saying that, that's what I was selling everyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I will post, I will post, I think some content.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to see a little bit of my burning me and I'll post a little bit of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you post a little bit of your survivor?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they literally last night sent us like a drive link with like a folder for every like episode and each folder is titled for the person who went home that episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's literally like 400 folders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got out sift through and find some stunning shots of myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I look forward to seeing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for holding in that posting while I was gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

