WEBVTT 00:01.432 --> 00:02.872 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you hear inter-music, Nigel? 00:04.252 --> 00:06.053 [SPEAKER_02]: I hear a mixture of stuff. 00:06.073 --> 00:06.913 [SPEAKER_02]: A mixture of stuff. 00:07.773 --> 00:11.834 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, tells us none of them are the, where's the safety threat intro? 00:11.854 --> 00:12.254 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 00:12.914 --> 00:14.954 [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us to stop when you, when you hear the intro. 00:14.974 --> 00:15.074 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 00:16.855 --> 00:17.315 [SPEAKER_02]: Safety threat. 00:19.095 --> 00:19.395 [SPEAKER_02]: There. 00:19.695 --> 00:20.235 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we got it. 00:20.355 --> 00:20.775 [SPEAKER_03]: We got it. 00:24.116 --> 00:24.676 [SPEAKER_02]: Safety threat. 00:25.576 --> 00:26.216 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it cut off. 00:26.736 --> 00:28.437 [SPEAKER_02]: But. 00:29.097 --> 00:29.817 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was enough. 00:30.862 --> 00:32.483 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that enough for an intro? 00:32.543 --> 00:37.044 [SPEAKER_00]: John died, everybody, so we have to do it ourselves and he leaves no instructions. 00:37.084 --> 00:43.206 [SPEAKER_00]: He moves everything around the desktop and I think there's a chance that it's recording. 00:43.386 --> 00:44.947 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, I'm going to turn off the air. 00:44.967 --> 00:46.007 [SPEAKER_03]: No, leave it on. 00:46.047 --> 00:46.307 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 00:46.587 --> 00:52.809 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is listen, we don't have enough money to have an air conditioner installed that doesn't sound loud. 00:52.869 --> 00:55.730 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that window unit, it's been hot here. 00:56.558 --> 00:57.859 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a real hot. 00:57.879 --> 01:00.301 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to this very special episode of the safety third podcast. 01:00.361 --> 01:06.426 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the hot episode, the past few have actually been really hot, but today's extra hot, I'm going to sound like such a whiny. 01:06.446 --> 01:07.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right now. 01:07.226 --> 01:10.229 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 90 degrees outside. 01:11.289 --> 01:12.791 [SPEAKER_03]: What's it like in Canada, Nigel? 01:14.952 --> 01:15.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now. 01:16.313 --> 01:17.074 [SPEAKER_01]: What's he meant to have? 01:19.055 --> 01:19.496 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll check. 01:20.096 --> 01:21.898 [SPEAKER_02]: What temperature is that? 01:21.958 --> 01:24.520 [SPEAKER_00]: 45% humidity, yes, relatively high, actually. 01:25.503 --> 01:26.544 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like crazy. 01:26.704 --> 01:27.205 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:27.285 --> 01:27.925 [SPEAKER_00]: 90 degrees. 01:28.426 --> 01:29.287 [SPEAKER_03]: 50% humidity. 01:29.527 --> 01:30.428 [SPEAKER_03]: It's that little boy. 01:30.448 --> 01:30.708 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:30.728 --> 01:32.430 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in the atmosphere doing things. 01:33.711 --> 01:35.413 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's only apparently Fahrenheit. 01:35.693 --> 01:36.854 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm in your crazy units. 01:37.094 --> 01:38.035 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a 71. 01:38.255 --> 01:40.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's nice. 01:40.538 --> 01:42.760 [SPEAKER_02]: The summer was really hot. 01:43.180 --> 01:46.043 [SPEAKER_02]: But what's weirder is it feels like in Montreal. 01:46.063 --> 01:49.807 [SPEAKER_02]: We've been having like tropical weather. 01:50.207 --> 02:04.955 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know what, okay, we should talk about the incoming, the impending doom known as El Nino, so when I was in like man first grade, I think it was like 98. 02:06.660 --> 02:11.182 [SPEAKER_00]: No, 98 would have been like third grade, whatever, it doesn't matter. 02:11.242 --> 02:13.023 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like seven or eight years old. 02:13.163 --> 02:13.424 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 02:13.744 --> 02:17.145 [SPEAKER_00]: And my dad worked at the LA Times as a photographer. 02:18.106 --> 02:24.849 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he got to go and do stories and kind of have like a journal, a little bit of what he journaled journalism photographer pass. 02:24.869 --> 02:30.432 [SPEAKER_00]: He just kind of can go places, generally that they like, no public here and it's like, no, I'm a journalist. 02:30.852 --> 02:33.674 [SPEAKER_00]: So I remember our town got wrecked, right? 02:33.714 --> 02:34.834 [SPEAKER_00]: So we had this peer. 02:36.115 --> 02:38.536 [SPEAKER_00]: uh the Ventura Pier and it was long. 02:38.696 --> 02:40.497 [SPEAKER_00]: I think at one point it was like one of the longest period. 02:41.157 --> 02:41.537 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. 02:41.718 --> 02:45.399 [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's no longer one of the longest periods thanks to Al Nino. 02:45.439 --> 02:59.365 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's been a couple of like surge events but it like apparently what happens of reading some I've been reading some videos about this and uh there's like the ocean currents 03:01.726 --> 03:03.090 [SPEAKER_00]: And they can get reverse. 03:03.210 --> 03:03.591 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 03:03.792 --> 03:08.564 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like between like Mexico and whatever is across the Pacific. 03:08.905 --> 03:09.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that Africa? 03:11.240 --> 03:15.945 [SPEAKER_00]: So no, yeah, if you keep going, if you keep going, there's nothing under it where you go under India. 03:16.085 --> 03:20.950 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it ends up hitting like, uh, like those islands, you know, just islands. 03:21.010 --> 03:32.141 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, uh, the Philippines and, and, okay, I have an idea of like where things are relative to the equator on like hour half, but when it comes to the other side, it like doesn't line up anymore. 03:33.460 --> 04:00.778 [SPEAKER_00]: So normally we get like this current of cold water that comes up off the bottom of the ocean and hits the California coast right and then that causes the air to cool Which then like drops it and then you get like a cycle so it's like it's this crazy fluid dynamic energy problem where if the current goes this way cold water goes this way then it causes like I could be doing this backwards but like it's a general idea causes like the air to sink. 04:01.538 --> 04:04.360 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when the air sinks it pulls air from over here. 04:04.380 --> 04:06.481 [SPEAKER_00]: So you end up with like a cyclone. 04:06.721 --> 04:07.861 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, like off shore. 04:07.881 --> 04:10.122 [SPEAKER_00]: Like atmospheric like a vertical cyclone. 04:10.382 --> 04:12.183 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then you end up with a ocean cramp. 04:12.203 --> 04:14.004 [SPEAKER_00]: They start feeding back into each other. 04:14.424 --> 04:21.248 [SPEAKER_00]: And so El Nino is supposedly from my one like Vox or I don't even know which one it was. 04:21.388 --> 04:21.708 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 04:22.648 --> 04:29.413 [SPEAKER_00]: It's when they flip so with the normal current structure flips and it creates like complete opposite weather conditions. 04:29.433 --> 04:36.197 [SPEAKER_00]: So places with monsoons get dry spells and places with dry spells like us get monsoons. 04:36.237 --> 04:38.538 [SPEAKER_03]: Now we have warm water coming up off the coast. 04:38.598 --> 04:44.482 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, which probably causes more evaporation, which means our sky becomes more moist and it's humid and humid. 04:44.582 --> 04:44.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 04:45.182 --> 04:53.625 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you just get like mega dumped on and there's like huge waves, like freaking enormous waves going above up here. 04:54.065 --> 04:54.505 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really? 04:54.565 --> 04:56.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that's a tall pier. 04:56.126 --> 04:57.767 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a wave for going over the pier. 04:57.827 --> 05:00.347 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember as a kid, 30 feet off of water. 05:00.488 --> 05:04.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it wrecked the pier and it shut it down for like years and years. 05:04.669 --> 05:09.811 [SPEAKER_00]: And they cut it down and eventually you know, figured out how to pay for, you know, sort of fixing the tip of it. 05:10.371 --> 05:12.852 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think supposedly, 05:14.739 --> 05:19.563 [SPEAKER_00]: the what they're measuring in the ocean right now is like the worst numbers they've ever measured. 05:20.003 --> 05:30.691 [SPEAKER_00]: The article is very like flip floppy it couldn't really tell, but it seems like it is on the table that we end up with this sort of batshit insane weather event at the end of this year. 05:30.751 --> 05:32.272 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so that's gonna happen during the winter. 05:32.292 --> 05:35.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, our winter, yeah, that means. 05:36.175 --> 05:37.956 [SPEAKER_03]: So how do we prepare for it? 05:38.776 --> 05:42.659 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we should get our wills in order. 05:46.265 --> 05:47.266 [SPEAKER_03]: Easy for you to say. 05:47.446 --> 05:47.847 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 05:47.947 --> 05:48.507 [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Will. 05:48.908 --> 05:49.208 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 05:49.388 --> 05:53.733 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, from from the legal perspective, we plant crops. 05:54.273 --> 05:56.075 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they're all for water. 05:56.195 --> 05:56.776 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for water. 05:56.796 --> 05:57.757 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll get washed away. 05:59.038 --> 06:00.800 [SPEAKER_00]: What plant needs a lot of water rice. 06:01.240 --> 06:04.344 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, they do the right they flood them after cranberries or is that flooding after. 06:05.154 --> 06:07.135 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, rice is during during rice. 06:07.355 --> 06:10.736 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we just have to build like a burn around the property. 06:10.756 --> 06:12.216 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and flood the whole property. 06:12.417 --> 06:13.517 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we can grow rice. 06:13.597 --> 06:14.917 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:15.418 --> 06:16.858 [SPEAKER_03]: Takes care of the chicken problem. 06:17.018 --> 06:18.759 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is we have roosters. 06:18.799 --> 06:23.920 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, remember we like talk to the the water company here and the when the guy came out. 06:24.461 --> 06:28.042 [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I remember I saw this place like under two feet of water. 06:28.482 --> 06:33.945 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we're like, okay, okay, and I'm like, I'm pretty sure this is conversation was like two years ago. 06:33.965 --> 06:38.887 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure that like that description was of the like 98 Elmino. 06:39.747 --> 06:44.830 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, so it's going to rain like a lot like mega show like hurricane rain. 06:44.870 --> 06:46.791 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think there's a chance that happened. 06:46.811 --> 06:49.172 [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if the salt and sea is going to fill back up again. 06:49.672 --> 06:50.272 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope not. 06:50.693 --> 06:52.854 [SPEAKER_00]: Then it won't be so salty anymore and it won't be exciting. 06:56.597 --> 07:04.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it doesn't, it doesn't affect just us, like apparently it's everywhere, like it completely disrupts this like global energy circulation. 07:04.445 --> 07:09.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so if it's normally wet near unidule, that means it's going to be dry. 07:09.831 --> 07:11.993 [SPEAKER_00]: I could be completely wrong. 07:12.274 --> 07:15.237 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a map somewhere online that kind of gives you an overview of the glow effects. 07:16.164 --> 07:35.495 [SPEAKER_02]: All I know is that I mean, it's normally pretty human in the summers here, but it's been this whole summer has been weirdly rainy, but rainy in a way that I only ever experienced when I was in places like Asia, where it would be super sunny at like noon and you're like, oh, what a nice day and then. 07:36.715 --> 07:41.058 [SPEAKER_02]: Third and hour later, you just like it's raining outside you look high and it's like. 07:42.675 --> 07:54.413 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's just the, it's such a big rainstorm that it's like the type of rain where you go and look and just watch it because you're like damn bad. 07:55.845 --> 08:13.270 [SPEAKER_02]: And then probably like you you start worrying if things are going to flood and whatever, you see what like a little river going down the street and you're like, uh, and the bat sewers are all backing up and then maybe like an hour and a half later, it's all sunny again. 08:13.610 --> 08:15.971 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then it would happen again. 08:17.071 --> 08:24.034 [SPEAKER_02]: And we've doubt used to never be a thing, but as whole summer, it's happening every day at some point. 08:24.494 --> 08:25.995 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're warming baby. 08:26.415 --> 08:33.598 [SPEAKER_03]: Like the rain comes through so fast that like all the leftover water on the pavement starts steaming and getting really hot. 08:33.618 --> 08:34.818 [SPEAKER_03]: We still really hot. 08:34.858 --> 08:35.118 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 08:35.298 --> 08:37.239 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we had a rainstorm 08:42.101 --> 08:44.662 [SPEAKER_02]: got flooded and it was probably the most rain. 08:45.523 --> 08:47.984 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's an adult have ever seen come down. 08:48.024 --> 08:54.267 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's it's when the it's when you see a rainstorm that's peaking and you're like, Oh, okay, this is like the peak of the storm. 08:54.667 --> 08:58.609 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll wait like five minutes to go to my car because it's definitely going to die down. 08:59.309 --> 09:04.192 [SPEAKER_02]: But it just then got worse and held like that for two hours for three hours. 09:05.783 --> 09:06.403 [SPEAKER_00]: Three hours. 09:06.423 --> 09:10.866 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he took or yet, but it's just like the amount of water coming down was crazy. 09:10.926 --> 09:18.389 [SPEAKER_02]: So like a lot of people got flooded Our office almost got flooded in the back of our office. 09:18.449 --> 09:21.611 [SPEAKER_02]: There was I think six feet of water. 09:21.751 --> 09:22.011 [SPEAKER_02]: What? 09:22.051 --> 09:24.132 [SPEAKER_02]: That pooled in the six feet of water. 09:24.912 --> 09:27.053 [SPEAKER_02]: It was we have a loading dock and it was coming. 09:27.193 --> 09:28.854 [SPEAKER_02]: It was at the level of the loading dock. 09:28.974 --> 09:29.795 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow. 09:34.957 --> 09:37.160 [SPEAKER_02]: Our sewer had, all the sewers were messed up. 09:37.200 --> 09:38.621 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the marina was carmed. 09:39.442 --> 09:41.805 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my brother was at the office. 09:41.965 --> 09:45.509 [SPEAKER_02]: I was at a friend's house, but he's texting the group. 09:45.549 --> 09:46.210 [SPEAKER_02]: He goes outside. 09:46.230 --> 09:49.393 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, uh, I don't know if I, I don't know what's happening. 09:49.714 --> 09:52.517 [SPEAKER_02]: He just looks on the street and there's like cars floating by. 09:53.511 --> 09:58.313 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I think that's what I'm in for and honestly, I drove by later. 09:58.333 --> 10:02.215 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to, I drove by later and it was like an apocalypse because on the street. 10:02.715 --> 10:07.498 [SPEAKER_02]: All the water was gone, but there's just like cars randomly there. 10:08.418 --> 10:11.160 [SPEAKER_02]: Just randomly there like crooked on the street. 10:11.280 --> 10:14.441 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I just had to like weave in and out to try to get through them. 10:14.881 --> 10:16.122 [SPEAKER_02]: This debris everywhere. 10:16.242 --> 10:21.146 [SPEAKER_00]: I have this fire under my ass to like Bixie excavator now, right? 10:21.166 --> 10:22.166 [SPEAKER_00]: Cause that's all I can think about. 10:22.186 --> 10:27.930 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this place sort of gets royally fucked by heavy rain. 10:27.970 --> 10:33.715 [SPEAKER_03]: We're at the base of this like the still fountain and it's like, what would you say like a mile away from us or something? 10:33.815 --> 10:37.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, like the P yeah, I'm maybe less maybe. 10:37.377 --> 10:37.998 [SPEAKER_03]: So that means like, 10:38.598 --> 10:43.980 [SPEAKER_03]: all of that rain from like from us to the tip of that mountain is going to come down the mountain to us. 10:44.000 --> 10:46.901 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not like just raining like a few inches of our problems. 10:46.921 --> 10:49.242 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's raining a few inches all the way about it. 10:49.262 --> 10:52.203 [SPEAKER_03]: So that carries it up by the time it gets to us. 10:52.363 --> 10:59.325 [SPEAKER_00]: And we we have this amazing thing that happens is phenomenon called getting completely wrecked. 10:59.485 --> 11:02.146 [SPEAKER_00]: This the soil is dry because it doesn't rain that much. 11:02.206 --> 11:03.507 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you end up with 11:08.288 --> 11:14.509 [SPEAKER_00]: Is like you like have this inkling you saw post somewhere on the internet like oh shit my plant It's like a Tomagachi, but it's real. 11:14.769 --> 11:17.610 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you go to water it and it's you know It's like on it's last leg. 11:17.630 --> 11:33.493 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like And you pour water in the soil and the water just like it's almost like wax like the water just beads off of it Like something crazy happens to soil when it's that dry like there's a point where it's so dry That it doesn't even absorb water like wick into the ground right 11:33.673 --> 11:44.220 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know what that is like it's a weird surface tension thing or something whatever whatever this phenomenon like a sponge is like that to like until it's slightly damp It's actually really shit at absorbing water. 11:44.440 --> 12:01.612 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so what happens here is if the soil's not like slightly damp and you get a big rain You can imagine what happens is the water slicks off of it and it takes like dirt with it And so like it'll pull the top layer of soil because it can't like suck the water into the ground quickly. 12:01.632 --> 12:02.673 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 12:03.539 --> 12:17.883 [SPEAKER_00]: And you end up with basically like flooding and landslides where, you know, you have this movement, you have this like dirt slowly absorbing water, but it's not like draining water and bad bad things happen. 12:17.903 --> 12:21.265 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like Santa Barbara has like, you know, landslides mudslides. 12:21.365 --> 12:21.805 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. 12:21.825 --> 12:22.545 [SPEAKER_00]: There's the one. 12:22.585 --> 12:24.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever heard of lock and cheetah? 12:24.886 --> 12:26.226 [SPEAKER_00]: No holy shit. 12:26.666 --> 12:27.006 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 12:27.206 --> 12:27.807 [SPEAKER_00]: This is bad. 12:28.227 --> 12:29.187 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you heard of lock and cheetah? 12:30.218 --> 12:31.980 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard that combination of words. 12:32.000 --> 12:41.669 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, if you want to see some shit, if you go up the 101 by like Santa Barbara between the city of Inter in the city of Santa Barbara, there is a neighborhood called Lock and Cheetah. 12:42.170 --> 12:42.510 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 12:42.991 --> 12:46.914 [SPEAKER_00]: And what you'll notice when you drive up the 101 there is you've got the beach on your left. 12:47.555 --> 12:49.618 [SPEAKER_00]: and a fucking cliff mountain on your right. 12:49.658 --> 12:52.862 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, and it's like, it looks like it's made of sandstone or something. 12:52.882 --> 12:53.623 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's whatever. 12:53.643 --> 12:54.444 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, is there something? 12:54.464 --> 12:55.365 [SPEAKER_03]: I know you're talking about this. 12:55.385 --> 12:56.446 [SPEAKER_03]: They're like exposed. 12:56.527 --> 12:56.907 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 12:57.067 --> 13:01.593 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what is, do you know what is in the back of that neighborhood? 13:03.223 --> 13:04.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm, a volcano. 13:04.344 --> 13:05.585 [SPEAKER_00]: House is under dirt. 13:06.345 --> 13:06.825 [SPEAKER_00]: Really? 13:06.986 --> 13:12.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that were never excavated after exactly what you think happened happened like 20 years ago. 13:13.149 --> 13:13.950 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 13:14.090 --> 13:24.616 [SPEAKER_00]: The hillside collapsed during a heavy rain and the house was so damn close to it that the landslide like ate the first couple of houses in the back of the neighborhood. 13:24.977 --> 13:25.217 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 13:25.297 --> 13:26.458 [SPEAKER_00]: And they are still there. 13:27.300 --> 13:29.722 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can still see the house is poking out. 13:29.782 --> 13:31.583 [SPEAKER_00]: They did nothing because you can't do anything. 13:31.923 --> 13:32.663 [SPEAKER_00]: That's wild. 13:32.924 --> 13:34.324 [SPEAKER_00]: They think they didn't excavate. 13:34.344 --> 13:35.925 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't do anything like rescue stuff. 13:35.945 --> 13:36.966 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they could just do it. 13:36.986 --> 13:38.067 [SPEAKER_00]: They could just do it. 13:38.087 --> 13:38.307 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 13:38.327 --> 13:42.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Because like if you disturb it, now you're asking to like have the rest of the hill come down potentially. 13:43.130 --> 13:43.430 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 13:43.570 --> 13:44.871 [SPEAKER_00]: And people still live there. 13:45.231 --> 13:47.633 [SPEAKER_03]: Was it kind of like the the hill that's behind us? 13:48.440 --> 13:49.461 [SPEAKER_00]: No way worse. 13:49.621 --> 13:49.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 13:50.041 --> 13:51.062 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no way way worse. 13:51.102 --> 13:54.565 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, next time you drive by you look at it and you're like, what the fuck were they thinking? 13:54.585 --> 13:58.367 [SPEAKER_00]: Like imagine, you know, in my mind, I'm like, over selling this, but it's just like a vertical cliff. 13:58.688 --> 14:03.251 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably vertical in my mind because it like collapsed and you had that like, oh, after that. 14:03.271 --> 14:03.651 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 14:03.931 --> 14:04.672 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 14:04.832 --> 14:07.094 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, like, people died. 14:07.374 --> 14:09.555 [SPEAKER_00]: People just got buried alive and that was it. 14:09.696 --> 14:14.139 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, could you imagine like buying the house next to that house in the road? 14:14.179 --> 14:15.200 [SPEAKER_03]: Looking up at this cliff. 14:15.220 --> 14:15.620 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 14:15.880 --> 14:24.202 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you look out your bedroom window and you see like literally a house that has a body somewhere in it like a skeleton Yeah, like someone's grave basically. 14:24.302 --> 14:26.943 [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy So people were in the house. 14:27.003 --> 14:28.224 [SPEAKER_02]: Is they were in the houses? 14:29.224 --> 14:38.426 [SPEAKER_00]: It just happened like it happened so quickly And I remember going with my daughter to go in and huh They didn't bother to go in and find the house. 14:38.506 --> 14:43.628 [SPEAKER_00]: I imagine like the house just gets completely engulfed in dirt and crush is it 14:45.318 --> 14:47.662 [SPEAKER_03]: and grinds it into like a paste. 14:47.702 --> 14:48.564 [SPEAKER_00]: A paste, a goo. 14:49.245 --> 14:53.993 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was there with my dad, because he was working for the other time, so I was talking for the time. 14:54.573 --> 14:58.320 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I remembered like the insanity. 15:00.000 --> 15:04.044 [SPEAKER_00]: absolute insanity like nobody knows what to do. 15:04.384 --> 15:07.146 [SPEAKER_00]: There's like everywhere is flooded with like a footer to a water. 15:08.147 --> 15:12.931 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, you know, like rescue crews and law enforcement trying to figure out like what the hell are you supposed to do in this situation? 15:12.971 --> 15:14.633 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the rest of the mountain could collapse. 15:14.653 --> 15:18.276 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a course like the whole neighborhood gets evacuated because they think the whole hillside is about to come down. 15:18.696 --> 15:18.996 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 15:19.897 --> 15:30.679 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's still like, that was the worst one that I remember, there still is, you know, like infrastructure collapse to like the 101, you know, I think last time this happened, not 98. 15:30.719 --> 15:31.799 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 15:31.899 --> 15:44.962 [SPEAKER_00]: 10 years ago or something, that got washed out and they were having to like boat people to Santa Barbara, because like some people that you know, if you have like critical jobs up there, like could drive on the freeway anymore and there's no like service to commute by boat. 15:49.123 --> 15:50.284 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, man. 15:50.324 --> 15:51.565 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, I got across the bay. 15:51.645 --> 15:52.445 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take the ferry. 15:52.485 --> 15:56.948 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's like, I'm going to go normally where I drive on a freeway and I'm going to drive along the freeway in a boat. 15:57.249 --> 16:00.811 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably takes twice as long man. 16:01.291 --> 16:08.056 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been seeing these videos on Instagram of landslides and stuff and it's like the whole mountain just starts moving sideways water. 16:08.637 --> 16:08.897 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 16:09.717 --> 16:18.000 [SPEAKER_03]: Crazy, I don't know why I almost said Peter and then if you get an earthquake in if you get an earthquake while the the ground is wet. 16:18.280 --> 16:21.622 [SPEAKER_00]: It just looks fine Yeah, it's so weird. 16:21.662 --> 16:28.464 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it reminds me are you are you referring to a video because I think it went around at least on my feeds. 16:29.124 --> 16:29.825 [SPEAKER_02]: It was an indie. 16:29.845 --> 16:31.585 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was an indie and guy filming 16:33.286 --> 16:45.138 [SPEAKER_02]: That's some sort of like a, it was some quarry and if it was like marble or something and it just said like land slide at quarry and he's just filming it, is it did you see that one? 16:45.498 --> 16:46.419 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 16:46.459 --> 16:52.044 [SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of them saved because I've been getting so many of them and then I save them because they're like interesting and then it keeps feeding me more. 16:52.525 --> 16:54.287 [SPEAKER_03]: So from from my Instagram people. 16:54.307 --> 16:56.449 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the earth is like falling apart. 16:56.489 --> 16:57.650 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just corroding. 16:58.298 --> 17:11.222 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just a recent one where the guys filming it and it kind of looks like this valley thing and you go oh yeah that you know some things are going to fall apart and then it's like the entire hillside just falls is that the one where you get sprayed with water at the end. 17:11.362 --> 17:13.603 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I think so yeah I saw that one. 17:14.683 --> 17:15.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Sean was here we could play it. 17:17.064 --> 17:18.444 [SPEAKER_02]: Rest in peace. 17:18.464 --> 17:20.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Just use just everyone I see is their imagination. 17:21.988 --> 17:29.679 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, the like what was it was a Columbia the had the earthquake was a Columbia recently Yeah, like sent us a way, uh, no, it was in Columbia. 17:29.779 --> 17:30.581 [SPEAKER_00]: No, what's Cuba? 17:30.741 --> 17:37.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Venezuela had a did it was out where the videos were going the recent ones think so yeah Uh, that 17:38.011 --> 17:56.085 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like what it makes me think of is like this like liquefaction of like things that you normally take for granted as being like quite solid yeah firm and trustable like like seeing buildings and dirt and like mountains and stuff turned into jello is it's like quite terrifying. 17:56.719 --> 18:05.366 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's weird because you have like think of like a pot of water boiling how you have like, it's like, you know, some hot, some hot water coming up in the cold water going down. 18:05.386 --> 18:12.271 [SPEAKER_03]: You have all these infections zones, but that's happening with like dirt and houses and roads and whole buildings, just like sinking into the ground. 18:12.491 --> 18:14.813 [SPEAKER_03]: Then you see a tree like pop up next to it. 18:15.253 --> 18:16.074 [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy. 18:16.474 --> 18:20.177 [SPEAKER_00]: There was the one where you could see the fault line remember that we're like everything shifted. 18:21.030 --> 18:28.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was like a horizontal shift right how long ago is that I think that one was a while ago Maybe like we looked at on the podcast I think yeah, we did 18:30.165 --> 18:33.427 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, do you think that water like kind of lubricates the fault lines? 18:33.867 --> 18:34.627 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so. 18:34.727 --> 18:38.449 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, because you remember the fluidized sand videos, right? 18:38.489 --> 18:39.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Mark Robert did with the hot tub. 18:39.990 --> 18:42.011 [SPEAKER_00]: We did it with the like smaller pool. 18:42.351 --> 18:48.794 [SPEAKER_00]: We like blast compressed air through, you know, a pool of sand, like evenly through a pool of sand. 18:49.214 --> 18:53.036 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like enough energy to reduce the friction between particles. 18:53.056 --> 18:54.337 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it behaves like a liquid. 18:54.737 --> 18:56.778 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that the energy 18:57.538 --> 18:58.579 [SPEAKER_00]: is everything. 18:58.619 --> 19:09.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the lubrication of water, what not like maybe would have some effect on it, but the actual like vibration, I think like opens up like it like reduces the friction and pockets. 19:10.088 --> 19:10.369 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 19:10.469 --> 19:12.450 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know if that makes any sense. 19:12.490 --> 19:12.770 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 19:13.831 --> 19:29.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone's probably studied the phenomenon, but like if you have a thing that's captured on all sides, and then you shake it like for a portion of that shaking It's not touching on all sides anymore, and there's like room to move and fall and in what not He's still end up with things generally like going down Yeah, yeah, I feel like my bones though. 19:29.858 --> 19:30.919 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a big one coming. 19:31.319 --> 19:39.643 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm right around the corner imagine imagine a Elenio and Elquico all at the same time 19:41.608 --> 19:45.332 [SPEAKER_02]: What I, what I think was a bit like Kevin say. 19:45.993 --> 19:53.642 [SPEAKER_00]: So much to ask, uh, Google Gemini, when the next earthquake earthquake is coming, I was day time down to the seconds. 19:55.315 --> 20:06.541 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it was, I think in 20, I don't remember, but we, uh, me and my brother and my friend went to LA because we're just going to go travel around. 20:07.001 --> 20:13.004 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was 2019 and there's apparently a big earthquake that happened. 20:13.724 --> 20:21.066 [SPEAKER_02]: But we, and there was like that plus the aftershocks, but we didn't feel any of it because of random circumstances. 20:21.506 --> 20:26.707 [SPEAKER_02]: So apparently the earthquake happened while we were like landing on our plane or something. 20:26.727 --> 20:31.468 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we get off the plane and I get on the bus to go to like the Uber area. 20:31.788 --> 20:36.289 [SPEAKER_02]: And I hear everyone kind of is acting funny and one guy makes a comment to the bus driver. 20:36.329 --> 20:37.989 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, I thought that was the big one. 20:38.009 --> 20:39.530 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what are they talking about? 20:40.450 --> 20:49.855 [SPEAKER_02]: and then every single time there was aftershocks and everything we were on like a really bumpy bus or something we just didn't feel like. 20:49.915 --> 20:51.256 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to feel it in a car. 20:51.296 --> 20:52.997 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually it wasn't possible if you don't a car. 20:54.098 --> 21:04.744 [SPEAKER_02]: The only one we knew in hindsight was we were driving to Vegas and core I think Corey was sleeping but I was talking to my friend and he's in the passenger 21:06.299 --> 21:09.080 [SPEAKER_02]: And we both thought it was weird because you don't need drift off the road. 21:09.120 --> 21:12.140 [SPEAKER_02]: There's like little, you know, the sound vibration. 21:12.740 --> 21:12.981 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 21:13.001 --> 21:14.901 [SPEAKER_02]: So that happened while we were driving. 21:15.001 --> 21:15.781 [SPEAKER_02]: And I turned to my friend. 21:15.801 --> 21:18.222 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I made a comment about it. 21:18.582 --> 21:21.262 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we were like, but there were no, I was like, that's weird. 21:21.402 --> 21:22.703 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see any bumps on the road. 21:22.743 --> 21:23.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, why did it do that? 21:24.003 --> 21:25.323 [SPEAKER_02]: Why was there like this vibrating? 21:25.703 --> 21:26.784 [SPEAKER_02]: My friends are like, I don't know. 21:26.804 --> 21:28.184 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see it either, but that's weird. 21:28.784 --> 21:30.285 [SPEAKER_02]: That we had no cell phone reception though. 21:30.305 --> 21:35.747 [SPEAKER_02]: We get to Vegas and it turned out that that was another, so I did we did feel a bit of something. 21:36.167 --> 21:40.189 [SPEAKER_02]: We got to we got there and they said that because we were at the epicenter when it happened. 21:41.890 --> 21:45.792 [SPEAKER_02]: So we got like the really fast vibrations, but it was like a very quick. 21:47.152 --> 21:54.516 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was just was like it was just like this shaking and then shaking and then it was like done and we're like like I said, oh, we hit bumps on the road. 21:55.196 --> 21:57.517 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's the extent of my experience with an earthquake. 21:58.453 --> 22:04.284 [SPEAKER_00]: I think for preparation to survive, we should bury a shipping container and fill it full of race. 22:05.226 --> 22:08.232 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just thinking that would absorb all the water when it floods. 22:08.452 --> 22:09.374 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to float away. 22:12.723 --> 22:15.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Much of how embarrassing I would be like to have your like survival bunker in it. 22:16.244 --> 22:19.125 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just like so now to hear like floats down the street often. 22:19.305 --> 22:21.606 [SPEAKER_03]: And to somebody else's property and they're like, find your skippers. 22:22.046 --> 22:29.349 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the the tractor and the excavator, if we, if it is a shit show, those are going to be very important. 22:30.089 --> 22:31.310 [SPEAKER_00]: You can only only the tractor work. 22:31.950 --> 22:36.011 [SPEAKER_00]: Exvisters been out for the, out for the count for a while now. 22:36.491 --> 22:37.472 [SPEAKER_00]: It's quite embarrassing. 22:38.172 --> 22:39.713 [SPEAKER_00]: and a fuel. 22:40.813 --> 22:43.074 [SPEAKER_00]: So just like even a couple cans of gas. 22:43.774 --> 22:44.714 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good idea. 22:45.714 --> 22:48.375 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I don't know. 22:48.415 --> 22:50.636 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's pretty much it some food. 22:50.676 --> 22:54.077 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't it's I don't think I mean, what's the worst that happens? 22:54.097 --> 22:55.117 [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't they shut down FEMA? 22:55.617 --> 22:56.657 [SPEAKER_00]: Or did they like needed it? 22:56.677 --> 22:57.058 [SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't. 22:57.138 --> 22:58.498 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's back. 22:58.518 --> 22:59.078 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it back? 22:59.098 --> 23:00.439 [SPEAKER_03]: We should make a water slide. 23:00.559 --> 23:03.239 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what what do you watch the water so we can slide down? 23:03.479 --> 23:03.700 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 23:04.040 --> 23:04.600 [SPEAKER_00]: What do we want? 23:05.420 --> 23:08.262 [SPEAKER_00]: We're planning for a plane for a plane for our own genius. 23:10.203 --> 23:14.265 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, El Mano, that's a man, right? 23:14.546 --> 23:17.327 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 23:17.347 --> 23:22.851 [SPEAKER_00]: No, imagine if a crazy rain is like what disaster strikes, right? 23:22.891 --> 23:24.892 [SPEAKER_00]: Like getting washed out. 23:24.952 --> 23:26.853 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's, you can't really prepare for that. 23:27.353 --> 23:30.255 [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, my old washout is fine. 23:30.295 --> 23:31.876 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going to get buried alive. 23:31.956 --> 23:33.017 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope not that would suck. 23:33.338 --> 23:38.361 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope it just watches all the debris and yardways, just like out into the street where it's not our problem anymore. 23:38.562 --> 23:39.902 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's a really good idea. 23:39.922 --> 23:42.304 [SPEAKER_00]: We could just like push everyone to the street that we don't want anymore. 23:42.364 --> 23:42.644 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 23:43.165 --> 23:54.412 [SPEAKER_00]: We could do, we should go on like Google Earth and steal the geometry and then like fill it in, be like a like a physics simulation to see like, like how much of the mountain has to collapse for it to like reach us. 23:54.973 --> 23:55.373 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 23:55.433 --> 24:01.157 [SPEAKER_00]: It might be a far larger amount than we're thinking, which means it'll it'll never happen. 24:01.577 --> 24:01.777 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 24:02.857 --> 24:10.759 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to put it up instead of you should prepare but what about also Preparing to do crimes because that's me. 24:10.819 --> 24:20.700 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I do know every everything is all you know Disheveled and people let their homes that maybe your neighbor has a really sick tractor You've always want oh, I guess I'll be on it water. 24:20.720 --> 24:22.521 [SPEAKER_02]: What if I steal our journey? 24:22.981 --> 24:28.882 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're stealing their tractor Yeah, that's the that's the gamble when then you both end up with a tractor. 24:28.922 --> 24:29.422 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're fine 24:30.086 --> 24:36.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, what about that one problem person they were happy with me. 24:36.744 --> 24:37.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 24:39.134 --> 24:41.915 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, wait, what are you, what are you, what are you alluding to? 24:42.215 --> 24:45.356 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nothing getting the job done, solving a prom, you know what I'm saying? 24:45.396 --> 24:48.756 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to dam up that side of like the washout on the side of the mountain. 24:49.016 --> 24:51.257 [SPEAKER_03]: So it just like ends up filling up the yard. 24:51.277 --> 24:54.878 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to pour a big concrete like drainage thing, but it's actually a ramp. 24:54.978 --> 25:01.579 [SPEAKER_00]: And so when the water comes down, it's going to go, it's going to fly 50 feet over property lines and go down their chimney and flood their house. 25:02.960 --> 25:03.520 [SPEAKER_02]: Damn. 25:04.560 --> 25:05.440 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's fine. 25:05.460 --> 25:07.241 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not fine. 25:07.701 --> 25:11.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, some people are, some people have problems. 25:11.021 --> 25:13.322 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people are angry for no reason. 25:13.642 --> 25:19.603 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, some people just are you know, we throw one rat in the neighbors yard and then that's how it's a different person. 25:20.603 --> 25:22.243 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we have, oh, remember the other one. 25:22.263 --> 25:30.345 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the one that you're there for being in were most outstanding citizen for existing at six PM or whatever it was. 25:31.328 --> 25:32.448 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you forget this already? 25:32.468 --> 25:37.489 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we don't maybe the one that yelled at you were like, we were like on your scooter and they yelled at you. 25:37.589 --> 25:38.569 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that one. 25:38.609 --> 25:39.450 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:39.550 --> 25:41.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that the rat lady is gone. 25:41.210 --> 25:45.931 [SPEAKER_00]: I think, uh, I don't want to say what I think it wasn't me. 25:46.071 --> 25:46.711 [SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't me that. 25:48.251 --> 25:49.251 [SPEAKER_00]: No, the meanly. 25:49.271 --> 25:49.391 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:49.411 --> 25:49.551 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:49.571 --> 25:49.711 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 25:49.811 --> 25:50.772 [SPEAKER_03]: I know who you're talking about. 25:50.792 --> 25:51.872 [SPEAKER_00]: You're like everyone's got that neighbor. 25:51.912 --> 25:54.992 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just like you do one thing. 25:55.012 --> 25:56.353 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, your scooters too loud. 25:56.413 --> 25:57.553 [SPEAKER_03]: You're making my dog bark. 25:57.713 --> 25:57.893 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh. 25:58.582 --> 26:06.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Stop trying your scooter around you're upsetting my dog and they get someone's outdoor dog bark He's like quite literally like one of the easiest things to do in life. 26:06.128 --> 26:10.551 [SPEAKER_03]: The neighbors always get mad when my dog barks So it's you're gonna be mad at you. 26:10.611 --> 26:18.617 [SPEAKER_00]: But don't walk by my house because you're that's what she was saying aggravating my dog And it's like okay, then why is your dog outside if it's such if this is a problem? 26:19.307 --> 26:29.030 [SPEAKER_00]: I like actually it that's and that's insane right if you have a dog And it barks at people and you leave outside is the reasonable response to get mad at the people that walk by your house. 26:29.130 --> 26:39.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely I knew we were all the other thing I was gonna ask and this is just completely you know speculation Was it a smaller dog 26:41.003 --> 26:51.946 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, which is who it was one, right, because like bigger dogs are I find it an annoying people tend to get annoying dogs. 26:52.086 --> 27:09.510 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they have three outdoor dogs and one of them is small and then there's like an old like lab and then the one that I hate is the ardale terrier, like some you know fancy dog people just like get a dog they're like very impulsively just like get a dog 27:10.070 --> 27:34.116 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they don't and they like don't actually want the dog but they didn't think that through and I don't I really I have like come in with issues or like I hate committing the things because it's like a future responsibility and that sort of just seems like insanely stupid to get like why why you know why she never walks it she never like it's outside all day all night but why 27:34.576 --> 27:35.537 [SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea. 27:35.917 --> 27:38.718 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it just because you saw it as a puppy and you thought it would be cute? 27:38.738 --> 27:41.500 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, she said that her parents won't let her keep the dog inside. 27:42.180 --> 27:43.881 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, then why don't you get him out of the eye? 27:43.961 --> 27:46.823 [SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea. 27:46.843 --> 27:49.604 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that that is really cringe. 27:54.769 --> 27:56.672 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 27:56.692 --> 28:03.322 [SPEAKER_00]: I just remember being a kid, you know, walking around the neighborhood and like we didn't have sidewalks where I was growing out because like an old ass neighborhood, right. 28:03.342 --> 28:09.972 [SPEAKER_00]: So every time you walk somewhere, you're like in this street, like right next to people's fences and stuff and then dogs would come up and just 28:10.676 --> 28:13.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Park at you like they're gonna rip your fucking head off. 28:13.379 --> 28:24.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's even like sometimes we're going walks now and there's like, uh, you know, like, uh, like a, like a little bit of like a, like a terrorist town where it's like, you got a house here and then the road up is here and then the next house is here. 28:24.310 --> 28:28.415 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's all level and it's not that big of an elevation change for like it's not flat and so. 28:28.755 --> 28:31.096 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, all the dogs can like look down and see you right. 28:31.116 --> 28:43.899 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is the weird one is it's the other way around is the house is lower, but the dog like it runs up the hill like just like short little hill, you know, like it maybe it's too elevated and then it like jumps it gets his paws up on the the the wall. 28:44.279 --> 28:46.980 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, like right in the corner, right. 28:47.000 --> 28:56.462 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a kind of the last house on the block when you're walking on the main strip street strip whatever and it's like the wall is at my head height. 28:57.263 --> 29:07.832 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the dog comes up like surprise at your head hug just like fucking ready to rip you apart one of these days, you know, every time it jumps up like it's a little bit better. 29:08.232 --> 29:19.282 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just training every day it's just like I don't understand like is that really like you have this you have a house in a neighborhood and you have a dog that just any time somebody walks by it goes fucking buzzer. 29:21.083 --> 29:24.847 [SPEAKER_00]: Dog's got nothing else going on and it's like locked outside has nothing to do. 29:26.701 --> 29:27.201 [SPEAKER_00]: Stress down. 29:27.221 --> 29:27.862 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, fourth thing. 29:28.523 --> 29:29.483 [SPEAKER_02]: I just what I say. 29:29.503 --> 29:31.505 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at the end of the day it's not the dogs fault. 29:32.166 --> 29:35.789 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like what I said before saying annoying people get annoying dogs. 29:35.969 --> 29:36.629 [SPEAKER_02]: I just found that 29:38.152 --> 29:45.780 [SPEAKER_02]: the people that in my world, the type of person who would complain that you're making their dog y'all, they also got, I don't know why I feel in my head. 29:45.800 --> 29:49.543 [SPEAKER_02]: They often get dogs that are more prone to barking like the 10 year ones. 29:49.743 --> 29:50.044 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 29:50.584 --> 29:54.148 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like even less your fault, but they're still just as mad. 29:54.949 --> 29:59.113 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think I think those people too, they don't put any effort into training their dog, either. 30:00.178 --> 30:06.407 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess the big thing, they kind of just buy the dog and then it's like, uh, it'll just, you know, it'll all work out in the end. 30:06.427 --> 30:08.390 [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't think of it, you leave it outside. 30:08.410 --> 30:09.512 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't pick up a shit. 30:09.552 --> 30:11.975 [SPEAKER_00]: You just let it bark at people walking on the public side. 30:11.995 --> 30:14.239 [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many dogs like that in the neighborhood like. 30:15.300 --> 30:33.102 [SPEAKER_03]: there's one, there's a house close to us that one time Sandra and we're walking Primrose and she goes to like P next to the fence and the dog like runs up starts barking out and Primrose just like puts her nose over to like sniff the dog and it bites her right in the face through the fence and like it takes a gash out of like in your lip. 30:33.662 --> 30:34.823 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god. 30:34.843 --> 30:38.925 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then there's like, there's that annoying ardale terrier than like three more houses up. 30:38.965 --> 30:42.727 [SPEAKER_03]: There's these two little white dogs that like just come up and they start barking at you. 30:42.767 --> 30:46.749 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you can hear us going on the walk because you hear all the dogs barking on the way up the street. 30:46.849 --> 30:54.813 [SPEAKER_00]: I just like, what if there's like a little kid in the neighborhood that it just, you know, you know, what little kids do they just like, well, hang on a fence or yeah. 30:54.813 --> 31:11.212 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, walk because it's not really like any sidewalks and say you're basically right on the fence and you could see like a kid like you know when you like rub your hands on an iron You're an iron fence like don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't 31:11.452 --> 31:31.042 [SPEAKER_00]: have any way for it to get out of the fence like you know we should have a mailman we should get a mailman on the podcast I feel like a mailman's gonna have craziest dog stories like I've read some posts or some stories where you know they'll just like nightmare scenarios where like the dog busts through like the front door like screen 31:32.463 --> 31:38.064 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, so then it's like, you can't see inside the screen has this weird like invisibility property like a block. 31:38.084 --> 31:43.586 [SPEAKER_00]: See, like it's like, yeah, it's just like, like right through the wall, like on the whole shit, right out of nowhere. 31:43.746 --> 31:48.567 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, the videos where like they, you know, they like, uh, loony tunes start running away. 31:48.587 --> 31:52.748 [SPEAKER_00]: And like the mailman's like feet don't even like touch the ground and they like fall. 31:52.768 --> 31:53.628 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like doing that. 31:53.808 --> 31:56.169 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I'm ready to fucking eat them alive. 31:56.249 --> 32:01.650 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you'll get like, you know, they'll submit a thing where, you know, they like will no longer deliver to that house. 32:02.490 --> 32:05.873 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I think it's kind of fucked where it almost has to happen multiple times. 32:06.574 --> 32:09.477 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like What an nightmare. 32:09.517 --> 32:12.459 [SPEAKER_03]: I see people like jumping up on cars and stuff like that. 32:12.499 --> 32:19.866 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw a FedEx one that was a little bit Really good video in a video the dog came running up to this guy with a FedEx package in his hand and he just like 32:22.388 --> 32:25.210 [SPEAKER_00]: And people were so burned in the comments, I'm like, no, fuck your dog. 32:25.250 --> 32:27.311 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, you can't fucking do that shit to people. 32:27.451 --> 32:30.833 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, like, the homeowner comes running up to him and like the FedEx driver just square. 32:30.853 --> 32:33.875 [SPEAKER_00]: That means, you know, the other means is he's sick of that shit. 32:33.915 --> 32:36.956 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it definitely happens multiple times for you to do that. 32:36.996 --> 32:39.238 [SPEAKER_00]: Like do dogs are dangerous shit. 32:39.598 --> 32:40.578 [SPEAKER_00]: Like a bad dog. 32:40.598 --> 32:41.199 [SPEAKER_00]: A good dog. 32:41.239 --> 32:42.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Like is great. 32:42.079 --> 32:50.584 [SPEAKER_00]: But like a bad dog will kill you or, you know, you've seen the videos or like the stories of people who's like, entire faces have been eaten off by dogs because it was like some 32:52.430 --> 32:58.413 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it can be really bad and really bad and kids like my I think my parents at one point. 32:59.334 --> 33:02.815 [SPEAKER_00]: They had this like adopted rot wilder that was like not the greatest dog. 33:04.296 --> 33:09.779 [SPEAKER_00]: And my grandma would like get too close to it and they would say don't do that like don't get close to the dog. 33:10.539 --> 33:11.720 [SPEAKER_00]: And it like bear one day. 33:12.320 --> 33:25.696 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was my parents dog or someone else dog and I think they just like got, you know, like some dog from a shelter that like just wasn't couldn't be because like every other dog we were had gets like the shit trying to out of it like yeah. 33:26.557 --> 33:28.139 [SPEAKER_00]: And he like walked her back. 33:28.712 --> 33:29.012 [SPEAKER_03]: really. 33:29.252 --> 33:29.472 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 33:29.532 --> 33:32.894 [SPEAKER_03]: Because there was like, there's a difference between like a bite like a warning. 33:33.134 --> 33:35.055 [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's like the bite. 33:35.115 --> 33:36.076 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a surprise. 33:36.096 --> 33:36.436 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 33:36.456 --> 33:36.956 [SPEAKER_03]: The shake. 33:36.996 --> 33:37.096 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 33:37.156 --> 33:38.917 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember exactly what the story was. 33:39.057 --> 33:46.020 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that they did not, I think that Doug died or they, I don't know what they did. 33:46.181 --> 33:47.601 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what happened to that dog. 33:47.681 --> 33:54.224 [SPEAKER_00]: But uh, no yours or no, it was like, I think it was a dog that they had a gotten from a shelter before it was born. 33:54.545 --> 33:55.045 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay. 33:55.445 --> 33:58.306 [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like, you don't even remember, I don't know, I don't remember at all. 33:58.346 --> 34:01.687 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was like a whole thing like before, you know, I was born. 34:01.707 --> 34:05.068 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, no, we're not doing like, yeah, I don't know if they got rid of it or what what they did. 34:06.668 --> 34:16.651 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't even say funny because like every dog we've had that since I've been alive has been like very aggressively trained like tricks and, you know, like on walks like well, 34:19.292 --> 34:22.694 [SPEAKER_03]: My two dogs now are great, but my family dog was he's a little shit. 34:22.954 --> 34:23.254 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 34:23.374 --> 34:26.756 [SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't aggressive, but he was just kind of like nasty. 34:27.437 --> 34:33.500 [SPEAKER_03]: If you like, for example, like, sometimes you accidentally step on your dog, like, you know, you step on their tail, like he would just bite you. 34:33.641 --> 34:34.201 [SPEAKER_00]: Go crazy. 34:34.241 --> 34:34.361 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 34:34.381 --> 34:36.562 [SPEAKER_03]: He would just go like, and just bite you. 34:36.702 --> 34:38.824 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, you had done something aggressive on purpose. 34:38.884 --> 34:39.724 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. 34:39.784 --> 34:45.447 [SPEAKER_03]: So that happened to some kid in my neighborhood, like, bit him right on the calf, and it wasn't like a bad bite, you know, like, 34:46.508 --> 35:04.766 [SPEAKER_03]: You can nip like a nip, but I mean, it was still like, you know, like a bite, but what he didn't like try to like attack the kid kind of thing, but that happened once and then he bit me one time to like I grabbed his two paws and I tried to put them up on my shoulder and I think they're like, yeah, I still have scars from it like my chin. 35:05.587 --> 35:05.868 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 35:05.888 --> 35:09.132 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember Hulk and Avengers to Loki? 35:09.152 --> 35:11.214 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 35:11.615 --> 35:11.975 [SPEAKER_03]: Bam. 35:12.035 --> 35:12.436 [SPEAKER_03]: Bam. 35:13.357 --> 35:14.178 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like this one. 35:14.258 --> 35:20.045 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I realize that I probably I hurt him when I did that, but I think like you should. 35:21.606 --> 35:25.128 [SPEAKER_00]: this is definitely, I'm going to say, I feel like dogs don't have such a controversial topic. 35:25.148 --> 35:32.632 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got like, like, uh, um, uh, you should, uh, you should like torture this shit out of your dog when you're raising it basically. 35:32.652 --> 35:34.473 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's how this happened. 35:34.493 --> 35:38.795 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it needs to be like broken, like taking food away, like established dominance. 35:38.815 --> 35:39.575 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your dog fixed? 35:40.276 --> 35:40.536 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 35:40.616 --> 35:40.976 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 35:41.816 --> 35:44.278 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, like basically just, like, 35:45.238 --> 35:51.083 [SPEAKER_00]: while they're a puppy and growing up, you just essentially break them like they break a horse. 35:51.424 --> 35:59.891 [SPEAKER_00]: Like nothing, like any of the sort of aggression, or what do they call that resource hoarding that they freak out like when you take their food and stuff like that? 36:00.718 --> 36:01.178 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 36:01.498 --> 36:02.358 [SPEAKER_03]: There's that's diff. 36:02.398 --> 36:13.461 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's kind of like this weird thing that just some dogs have and I think they get that from being a puppy and getting like bullied by other puppies when they're a puppy I maybe. 36:14.541 --> 36:18.782 [SPEAKER_03]: Or like, I don't know, I think that what do they call it like negative reinforcement. 36:18.862 --> 36:26.684 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or no, yeah, negative like you just don't do something like if you're dogs being mean or something, you just like no stimulus for the dog. 36:31.145 --> 36:31.905 [SPEAKER_00]: it's like bad. 36:31.925 --> 36:32.626 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:33.106 --> 36:34.106 [SPEAKER_03]: Like so they don't get food. 36:34.126 --> 36:35.367 [SPEAKER_03]: They get like their food taken away. 36:35.667 --> 36:36.647 [SPEAKER_03]: They don't get any attention. 36:36.667 --> 36:37.647 [SPEAKER_03]: They don't get any. 36:37.767 --> 36:38.067 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 36:38.087 --> 36:38.948 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't really remember. 36:39.328 --> 36:43.309 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some dogs are just shitty, but also definitely I would say 90% of the time it's the. 36:44.029 --> 36:46.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, then the in the nurture. 36:46.870 --> 36:47.791 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, upbringing. 36:47.811 --> 36:48.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the nature. 36:48.711 --> 36:49.011 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 36:49.731 --> 36:51.632 [SPEAKER_00]: Like pushing with kids. 36:51.692 --> 36:54.313 [SPEAKER_03]: Both dogs like 95% are just good natured. 36:54.533 --> 36:55.273 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like they. 36:56.363 --> 37:00.547 [SPEAKER_03]: The the only way they start to get angry and upset is because they're like they're scared. 37:00.908 --> 37:03.270 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's that's how they can fix the problem. 37:03.811 --> 37:06.313 [SPEAKER_03]: But like why are they scared that something that happened to them. 37:06.333 --> 37:08.555 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a learned reaction. 37:08.615 --> 37:09.276 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 37:09.837 --> 37:11.058 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like dollars. 37:11.078 --> 37:12.199 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to be a general. 37:12.579 --> 37:12.900 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 37:13.340 --> 37:34.615 [SPEAKER_02]: dogs in general and pets, well, maybe not pets in general, but like dogs, it probably is pretty similar, you know, on a, in a very general sense, like, similar to kids in the sense that you can have the worst parents ever and just the kids turn out well and they're well mannered with that statistically probable though. 37:35.420 --> 37:36.000 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no. 37:36.040 --> 37:36.540 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying. 37:36.580 --> 37:39.581 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's there's always a baseline. 37:40.001 --> 37:49.983 [SPEAKER_02]: There has to be a thing where if you if you raise the kid right, they will probably turn out right and if you raise them wrong, they will probably go down a bad path and then there's all the madness in between. 37:58.397 --> 37:58.877 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 37:59.557 --> 38:20.464 [SPEAKER_02]: There's there's a lot of randomness, but I feel like he's the same with dogs where it's like a lot of people just don't train their dog and put no effort into it and it just happened that the dog and it's the random stimuli that it received you know trading just turned out with his manner is with it's like 38:21.344 --> 38:22.105 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it's called. 38:22.145 --> 38:33.213 [SPEAKER_02]: It's normal mannerisms turned out to be a good dog, but then you get other dogs that they did need that little bit of extra guidance and training and they don't get it and they just become aggressive. 38:33.513 --> 38:34.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 38:35.394 --> 38:36.815 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the food thing. 38:36.835 --> 38:37.015 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 38:37.316 --> 38:38.737 [SPEAKER_00]: The food the food one is bad. 38:38.757 --> 38:40.498 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's like one of the scarier ones. 38:40.858 --> 39:00.793 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like if if you know, I don't know how what the like dog psychology is, but you know, it's like you are defending your resources and if someone's taking the food like, oh, that's my resources and like the alpha, like sort of the top the higher level dog will do that and so it's almost like you have to. 39:01.614 --> 39:10.688 [SPEAKER_00]: beat that out I say beat that out of the dog hammer smash it out of the dog like you know just establish like don't let the dog establish dominance basically 39:11.147 --> 39:19.335 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and to me, the equivalent of that, just as a kid, is classic, no kids like to share early on. 39:19.815 --> 39:23.399 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, as a parent, your responsibility, obviously. 39:23.439 --> 39:29.304 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, my experience is this not being a parent, but as a kid who probably I was told didn't like to share some time. 39:29.705 --> 39:30.025 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 39:30.265 --> 39:32.908 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you basically have to be 39:34.069 --> 39:53.999 [SPEAKER_00]: that has to be fixed early on or else you just become kind of a weird adult who yeah exactly it's why honest to god i have no intention of ever getting a dog not because i don't want a dog but because of like the the sort of obligation to make sure that you raise a dog in a way where it has like no aggression towards anything 39:55.300 --> 39:57.961 [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's raising his dog love and kindness. 39:58.102 --> 39:59.322 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's all you have to do. 39:59.542 --> 40:01.443 [SPEAKER_00]: That is absolutely not true at all. 40:01.483 --> 40:02.664 [SPEAKER_00]: What is loving kindness? 40:03.184 --> 40:03.745 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 40:03.845 --> 40:05.045 [SPEAKER_03]: You never like punish it. 40:05.065 --> 40:07.166 [SPEAKER_03]: You never show it like anger or violence. 40:07.246 --> 40:08.567 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 40:09.007 --> 40:09.848 [SPEAKER_03]: Never hit the dog. 40:10.168 --> 40:11.449 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't say shit. 40:11.849 --> 40:14.130 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, but you never see Caesar Molong. 40:15.918 --> 40:19.662 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's, so that's, that's people that have already messed up. 40:20.243 --> 40:26.249 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's, like, I feel like half of dogs you get at a shelter that are like not exactly how you want them to behave. 40:26.269 --> 40:32.155 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't think I've, we've ever gotten, no, we've only gotten one puppy. 40:33.056 --> 40:36.039 [SPEAKER_00]: I think everything else was used dogs. 40:38.182 --> 40:38.442 [SPEAKER_00]: Like. 40:39.814 --> 40:46.616 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're lucky or lucky, and if you're unlucky, you get a dog with this sort of inherently does bad things. 40:47.576 --> 40:52.197 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think that There's a base level, thank you. 40:52.237 --> 41:02.760 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a base level mannerism, like I said, just like with kids where it's like some dogs are just miraculously well mannered and they just for whatever reason. 41:03.480 --> 41:14.823 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to do that much work with them, but then there are other dogs that yeah, if you don't put that work in like you said that the food aggression For example, even my cat when I got him it was pretty bad. 41:14.883 --> 41:22.905 [SPEAKER_02]: He had really bad play aggression so it's like he didn't understand Cats are an asshole. 41:22.985 --> 41:23.805 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know you can fix that 41:24.995 --> 41:45.290 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but like, he didn't understand how to initiate play and he would get very aggressive so he would he would like start nipping you and biting you and one of his biggest things was he would start to grab my clothes and like a dog he would grab he would bite the clothes pull back and then thrash his body and I like he'd be tearing the clothes. 41:46.090 --> 41:49.934 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he's imagining that sunscreen brand with like the little kid with their ass hanging out in the dog. 41:49.954 --> 41:50.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 41:50.635 --> 41:51.376 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an ideal. 41:52.017 --> 41:53.939 [SPEAKER_02]: But he would he would like nip. 41:53.959 --> 41:59.084 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I if he didn't pay attention, he'd sort of like biting your toes to the point where it's like he would draw blood. 41:59.365 --> 42:02.248 [SPEAKER_02]: He would like nip my elbows and he would nip my shoulders. 42:02.748 --> 42:04.651 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was getting bad where it's like had to walk. 42:04.991 --> 42:06.172 [SPEAKER_02]: Just keep clawing deep toes. 42:07.233 --> 42:27.053 [SPEAKER_02]: Ticks hack this beat that a lot of them what's funny those I looked it up online and a lot of people had you know ideas and I tried a couple of them that didn't work and then I found one guys idea to put it in a little kiss and swinging around really fast Well, so the big thing it's funny how with cats they're like the training for cats is kind of 42:27.894 --> 42:34.976 [SPEAKER_02]: not the opposite of dogs, but the training of her dogs is premise on the fact that dogs care about what you think. 42:35.236 --> 42:37.297 [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas the cat's dog is shit. 42:37.357 --> 42:40.417 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're having to train somebody. 42:40.777 --> 42:43.558 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like training a person who only cares about themselves. 42:43.938 --> 42:46.319 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you and they don't really put two and two 42:50.640 --> 42:53.721 [SPEAKER_02]: And you like get mad and throw it out of the room. 42:53.961 --> 42:56.541 [SPEAKER_02]: It just goes, wait, I was playing and he just threw me out of the room. 42:56.581 --> 42:57.802 [SPEAKER_02]: What it like, what a douche. 42:58.742 --> 43:05.143 [SPEAKER_02]: And so people are like, you have to kind of be like, make it think that it got a bad reaction. 43:05.963 --> 43:08.464 [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't you doing something to the cat. 43:08.944 --> 43:12.905 [SPEAKER_02]: And at least one person online I read, they were like the only thing that worked for them. 43:13.825 --> 43:22.835 [SPEAKER_02]: was they were like, when my cat did this, I would wait for my cat to legitimately bite me and then I would just scream when the cat knew me. 43:23.556 --> 43:32.386 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, I would just scream and if it hurt, they're like, well, I just tried to make a lot of noise like it just screamed and like hit the table or something. 43:33.247 --> 43:38.072 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, you don't, you just, that's just your reaction to being bitten. 43:38.633 --> 43:41.575 [SPEAKER_02]: So he used to do it every day all day. 43:41.615 --> 43:42.697 [SPEAKER_02]: He would just like attack me. 43:42.737 --> 43:44.799 [SPEAKER_02]: And then one day I was like, you know what, I'm going to set him up. 43:45.159 --> 43:46.320 [SPEAKER_02]: I just really saw that. 43:47.681 --> 43:48.542 [SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't scare. 43:48.562 --> 43:49.103 [SPEAKER_02]: I let him, 43:51.680 --> 44:06.109 [SPEAKER_02]: Let him attack my feet and when he did and when he like he bit it and it hurt, I just went like, ow, I just said, ow, really loudly and just like, I just like, I remember I just hit the tape like hit the table a bit and he just like was like, I, this isn't fun for me. 44:06.129 --> 44:06.969 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that. 44:07.990 --> 44:10.731 [SPEAKER_02]: And it cut it down 75% instantly. 44:11.011 --> 44:16.254 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but there was still about 25% you would push the limit when he got annoyed and what was kind of funny. 44:16.274 --> 44:23.918 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember one that it was literally at like 12 30 like Pass midnight and I was lying on my couch and he started doing it. 44:23.958 --> 44:25.738 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, I'm going to set him up so good. 44:26.119 --> 44:30.401 [SPEAKER_02]: So I waited and I'm like when he bites my toe, I'm just going to make it noise. 44:31.481 --> 44:37.024 [SPEAKER_02]: He bit my toe though so unexpectedly hard that I actually screamed 44:38.145 --> 44:41.188 [SPEAKER_02]: because I was prepping for it, but I said, you know, it all just came out. 44:41.208 --> 44:46.313 [SPEAKER_02]: I screamed so loud that I'm like, oh my god, my neighbors are gonna actually think I'm dying. 44:46.974 --> 44:49.917 [SPEAKER_02]: But then I, so it was legitimately a hard bite in a screen. 44:49.937 --> 44:54.382 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember I looked at my cat and he's like, looking at me like, oh my god, I did not mean for that to happen. 44:55.243 --> 44:57.866 [SPEAKER_02]: And he, since that day, he 100% stopped doing it. 44:59.625 --> 45:00.386 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 45:00.486 --> 45:01.447 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I believe. 45:01.767 --> 45:11.177 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like maybe a catch is getting older because they don't fucking do shit that you want them to Cat's literally only do what they want. 45:11.237 --> 45:21.028 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can you have to like a training a cat is like pure jujitsu like training a dog is is a repetition and reward training a 45:21.148 --> 45:23.231 [SPEAKER_00]: cat is like guiding. 45:23.251 --> 45:25.393 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like changing the flow or river. 45:25.673 --> 45:30.639 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't just say I want you to go here and then like drag them uphill with food. 45:30.940 --> 45:36.486 [SPEAKER_00]: You literally have to figure out where they're already going and then try to redirect it. 45:36.506 --> 45:38.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's such an assholes. 45:39.009 --> 45:41.172 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the it's the way that 45:42.605 --> 45:43.746 [SPEAKER_02]: like the logic is there. 45:43.806 --> 45:50.031 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like talking to a person and going, hey, you shouldn't steal for me because it makes me feel bad. 45:50.932 --> 45:56.296 [SPEAKER_02]: And a normal person, it's like, and whatever, you explained the morals and then our person goes, okay, I get that. 45:56.596 --> 45:57.817 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a dog. 45:58.177 --> 45:59.178 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a dog. 45:59.238 --> 46:00.179 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I get it. 46:00.379 --> 46:00.679 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 46:01.039 --> 46:09.226 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's like you going, okay, it's like, then you go into a person who's like a cat and going, you should, you explained everything like you did for the dog and the cat 46:11.227 --> 46:12.388 [SPEAKER_02]: But I five bucks now. 46:12.448 --> 46:13.129 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm better off. 46:13.769 --> 46:15.191 [SPEAKER_03]: And you're nothing bad at me. 46:15.231 --> 46:16.432 [SPEAKER_03]: I just took the money for you. 46:16.572 --> 46:17.873 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, nothing bad happens. 46:18.474 --> 46:21.556 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you go, well, dude, if you don't give it back, I'm going to attack you. 46:21.596 --> 46:23.618 [SPEAKER_02]: And they go, you're just a violent person. 46:24.279 --> 46:25.119 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't do anything. 46:25.160 --> 46:27.261 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I was like, I wouldn't connect to you if I could. 46:27.281 --> 46:30.264 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was like, if you stop feeding them, you can act. 46:30.304 --> 46:32.006 [SPEAKER_00]: I will feed myself with your corpse. 46:32.766 --> 46:42.114 [SPEAKER_02]: So what you do instead the way that you train the cat is like you train that like, you know, that douchebag coworker is actually the better examples. 46:42.134 --> 46:44.456 [SPEAKER_02]: You have that coworker who keeps taking your food. 46:44.496 --> 46:47.859 [SPEAKER_02]: And normal coworker, you tell them, oh my bad, I didn't know is your food, I'm embarrassed. 46:48.260 --> 46:51.422 [SPEAKER_02]: Like whatever they apologize and never happens again. 46:51.823 --> 46:55.706 [SPEAKER_02]: But then you get the other coworker who just thinks that they can keep doing it, but they'll be sneakier. 46:56.167 --> 46:59.990 [SPEAKER_02]: So what you have to get them, you make your food extra spicy. 47:01.163 --> 47:02.905 [SPEAKER_02]: You placed you, so when they eat the food. 47:04.997 --> 47:06.137 [SPEAKER_02]: and it ruins them. 47:06.718 --> 47:12.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Then they go, yeah, I don't, I won't do that because that's bad for me. 47:12.199 --> 47:16.021 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if, like, I'm not taking the blame in the past. 47:16.061 --> 47:19.282 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that is like, but it's not negative. 47:19.422 --> 47:28.905 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, if you don't, it do not touch a hot stove, because I told you not to or because you know hot things are hot and you know the outcome. 47:29.345 --> 47:32.546 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, there's this, and it can be the touch, the stove. 47:33.172 --> 47:52.832 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just like fucked entropy with cats where like the way you train them is by not giving them like by not Pavloving them right like so Jimbo Like he's like a he's a fat ass and he wants to eat he likes he likes food. 47:52.852 --> 47:54.234 [SPEAKER_00]: He's very food motivated. 47:54.294 --> 47:54.854 [SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy. 47:55.735 --> 47:59.697 [SPEAKER_00]: He like what he'll do is like a five 30 in the morning. 48:00.057 --> 48:00.917 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll meow for food. 48:00.937 --> 48:02.177 [SPEAKER_00]: So we have an automatic feeder. 48:02.518 --> 48:07.259 [SPEAKER_00]: We used to feed him automatically once and we're like, no, we should break it into like three chunks, right? 48:07.279 --> 48:16.223 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like five 30, six, six, 30 and then, you know, somebody will be up by like seven and give him wet food, but like it's not enough. 48:17.223 --> 48:17.363 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 48:17.403 --> 48:18.184 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants more. 48:18.484 --> 48:19.124 [SPEAKER_00]: And so what does he do? 48:19.164 --> 48:22.965 [SPEAKER_00]: He miao's and what happens when he miao's he wakes somebody up. 48:23.345 --> 48:25.526 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and who do you think is normally it's not me. 48:25.606 --> 48:27.087 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the one they tell him. 48:27.727 --> 48:29.227 [SPEAKER_00]: And so then when she's up. 48:29.287 --> 48:30.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so she does. 48:31.308 --> 48:32.409 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, give some food. 48:32.429 --> 48:33.949 [SPEAKER_00]: And he'd like cracks it up. 48:34.049 --> 48:39.071 [SPEAKER_00]: And now successfully train the fucking cat to work you up at like six in the morning. 48:39.171 --> 48:39.431 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:39.751 --> 48:42.912 [SPEAKER_00]: And I I'm like, I actually like you can't do that. 48:43.252 --> 48:44.533 [SPEAKER_02]: You cannot do that. 48:45.521 --> 49:09.598 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I always push boundaries like if you know, you feed him at like we feed him at like five thirty right like that's when he gets his like wet food but the automatic machine gives it to him earlier, but he doesn't care when it when it's starting to feel like it could be five thirty which is like three thirty half the time then all of a sudden it's like, yeah, it's almost like he knows he's getting close. 49:09.878 --> 49:12.080 [SPEAKER_00]: He'll never wait until he gets there. 49:12.100 --> 49:13.801 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know. 49:14.241 --> 49:16.563 [SPEAKER_00]: And the only way to get him to do it later is by feeding him later. 49:16.583 --> 49:20.207 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you start feeding him a 730, then all of a sudden he starts smelling a 530. 49:20.647 --> 49:32.959 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's as close as you can train a cat as by just shifting the behavior and never letting them establish any sort of like connection between their actual stimulus and exactly and an outcome. 49:33.199 --> 49:47.729 [SPEAKER_00]: And so he like wouldn't me out if he didn't think that that would get him food, but he's learned he's been like trained in like the worst way imaginable like the most undoable way undoable way imaginable that if he meows he gets food earlier in the morning. 49:48.302 --> 50:08.937 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, Ian from OpenSauce just got a new kitten your sister actually found this kitten like behind a dumpster and and gave it to him so it's like a barrel cat, you know, it's it's on one it's a little bit Weeked out and I was over at his house and I was playing with the cat and it kept like, you know, biting and claw you know how they like grab you and then they start kicking with their 50:09.418 --> 50:21.197 [SPEAKER_03]: cute little little the rabbit kicks yeah scratch you up and I thought it was cute for a little bit then it started doing it harder and harder that's just like a velcro kind of like it off me then it would just come back like 50:21.891 --> 50:22.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 50:22.311 --> 50:25.874 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, you cannot, you literally cannot do anything about that. 50:25.935 --> 50:28.717 [SPEAKER_03]: But then I would like, you know, yell, shake it off. 50:29.217 --> 50:31.299 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, like everything besides hit it, nothing was working. 50:31.319 --> 50:32.060 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I did it to me. 50:32.080 --> 50:33.121 [SPEAKER_03]: And I just hissed at it. 50:33.501 --> 50:34.942 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this loud like cat language. 50:35.423 --> 50:37.945 [SPEAKER_03]: And it went, and it's ears like went back. 50:38.205 --> 50:40.167 [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, that's, and then it's just like ran away. 50:40.187 --> 50:41.188 [SPEAKER_03]: I, that's. 50:41.428 --> 50:52.380 [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing is like, they don't give a shit about you, but if you can start to do something, they don't have to convince them that their own action is not good for them. 50:52.500 --> 50:57.726 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, that, I mean, the examples, I can give more examples, but like with my cat, for example, 50:58.915 --> 51:01.816 [SPEAKER_02]: People would be like, how do you get the cats and not go on certain surfaces? 51:02.296 --> 51:06.358 [SPEAKER_02]: And generally it's viewed that just spraying the cat is like, doesn't do anything. 51:06.378 --> 51:09.619 [SPEAKER_02]: Because the cat doesn't see that, like a dog does. 51:10.060 --> 51:15.682 [SPEAKER_02]: It goes, every time I jump on the counter, this asshole just shuts me with some water. 51:16.322 --> 51:17.763 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, that's just annoying. 51:18.363 --> 51:21.985 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, they don't connect that it's because you're on the counter. 51:22.005 --> 51:23.145 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they're assholes. 51:23.505 --> 51:24.846 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they might be kind of stupid. 51:25.890 --> 51:29.471 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but it's, it's just this lack of like understanding. 51:29.871 --> 51:33.191 [SPEAKER_02]: So for example, what people do is you can do two things. 51:33.211 --> 51:37.732 [SPEAKER_02]: You can put a sound activated, sorry, a motion activated, like sound, a midter. 51:38.112 --> 51:41.153 [SPEAKER_02]: So when they jump onto the counter, people will do it like a aluminum foil. 51:41.613 --> 51:42.453 [SPEAKER_02]: They just hate it. 51:42.493 --> 51:43.753 [SPEAKER_02]: They think the counter sucks. 51:44.193 --> 51:47.214 [SPEAKER_02]: And like with my cat, I bought some, he kept going on the keyboard. 51:47.554 --> 51:48.774 [SPEAKER_02]: So I bought sticky tape. 51:49.214 --> 51:51.775 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just put it on the, on the, on the desk. 51:52.615 --> 52:00.818 [SPEAKER_02]: and he learned that when he walks near the keyboard he would just touch his paw down and then he lifts it off and he's just shaking his hands. 52:01.278 --> 52:03.059 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just like really unpleasant. 52:03.479 --> 52:11.522 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's like this area around the keyboard that he would actively never go to and even when the stickyness war off. 52:11.902 --> 52:13.543 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was about six months. 52:13.703 --> 52:25.007 [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't walk there until he found out one day and over time that there wasn't as much stickiness and he eventually went back, but that's what you have to do. 52:25.047 --> 52:27.108 [SPEAKER_02]: He has to think it's bad for him. 52:27.128 --> 52:29.269 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's like there. 52:29.289 --> 52:30.989 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting way of describing it. 52:31.009 --> 52:34.070 [SPEAKER_00]: So you really like separates the dog learning versus cat learning. 52:34.090 --> 52:37.592 [SPEAKER_00]: We're like the dog is trying to manage its relationship with you. 52:38.152 --> 52:38.432 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 52:38.592 --> 52:44.594 [SPEAKER_00]: The cat is simply trying to survive with you and so it doesn't affect its survival. 52:44.694 --> 52:45.934 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't give a shit. 52:46.194 --> 52:46.494 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 52:46.534 --> 52:55.056 [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas the dog wants to like manage its relationship with the owner, like you don't have a relationship with your cat that it cares about. 52:55.456 --> 52:58.737 [SPEAKER_00]: It sees you as the thing that is there for what? 52:58.837 --> 52:59.457 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what is it? 52:59.537 --> 53:00.157 [SPEAKER_00]: Sociopath? 53:00.517 --> 53:03.118 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it sees you as a tool for affection, 53:08.679 --> 53:12.821 [SPEAKER_00]: If you died, it would just miss the things that you used to provide. 53:12.841 --> 53:15.822 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what a cat is. 53:15.862 --> 53:16.162 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 53:16.702 --> 53:21.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's a little bit of affection, but it's like nowhere near. 53:21.544 --> 53:23.865 [SPEAKER_00]: It's nowhere near the level of a dog that makes sense. 53:23.885 --> 53:25.666 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like genetically ingrained in dogs. 53:25.746 --> 53:26.666 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 53:26.886 --> 53:29.607 [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a call to be friends with other creatures around them. 53:30.728 --> 53:34.349 [SPEAKER_02]: There's like a cause and effect that cats don't see either because like I said, 53:37.920 --> 53:49.647 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that, but it's not just not caring, like I, this is my, I'm not a cat psychologist, but it's like if I go to steal something to money from you, and then you come out yelling at me. 53:51.060 --> 53:54.981 [SPEAKER_02]: I, as a human, will go, oh man, I got caught, yeah. 53:55.261 --> 53:58.181 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like an outcome of getting caught, stealing from someone. 53:58.261 --> 54:01.742 [SPEAKER_00]: You got caught and you know that it's going to make your life more difficult in the future. 54:01.762 --> 54:02.882 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the consequences. 54:02.902 --> 54:10.524 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's like, I think that in for many cats, it's, I was taking this, I was taking this thing. 54:11.644 --> 54:15.625 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like, it's like the, you know, it's a separate event. 54:16.126 --> 54:22.405 [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's I was taking this things and this thing and then this dude randomly started yelling at me. 54:22.626 --> 54:22.867 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 54:23.612 --> 54:26.234 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't think that there's like truly a connection. 54:26.254 --> 54:31.579 [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe just sell it because you have to like you have to be so persistent. 54:31.619 --> 54:34.802 [SPEAKER_00]: You just like hammer it in like you can't actively do it. 54:34.822 --> 54:36.483 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can like you can train a dog. 54:36.864 --> 54:41.948 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you almost have to just every time it happens it has to be like this militant identical response. 54:42.448 --> 54:46.512 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise the cat just keeps doing it because it knows half the time it gets away with it. 54:46.912 --> 54:47.233 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 54:48.114 --> 54:48.955 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 54:48.975 --> 54:50.017 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a cat psychologist. 54:50.057 --> 54:54.323 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that there's just something we love to be a cat psychologist. 54:54.543 --> 54:56.145 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have so many questions other than these. 54:56.186 --> 54:57.307 [SPEAKER_00]: I would just be like, so what? 54:57.948 --> 54:58.469 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you do? 54:58.549 --> 54:59.310 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your day today? 54:59.751 --> 55:00.352 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 55:00.692 --> 55:01.954 [SPEAKER_00]: If people hire you, what are you 55:03.275 --> 55:31.405 [SPEAKER_02]: what I did early on when I got my cat was I was I mean I'm not a cat specialist but I did two things I was like I want to be able to sleep without the cat in the room so I will never let him sleep in the room and no matter how much he meows at the door I will never answer yeah so what I did was I got good at wearing earplugs and I would cover my head with a pillow and it's like I would never open the door for him and did he stop now 55:33.002 --> 55:35.023 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it took like eight months, man. 55:35.043 --> 55:35.343 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 55:36.684 --> 55:48.390 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it got to the point where it was like, I just assumed every day he would wake, actually I had to change my whole schedule because even with earplugs, I would wake up because you had to start meowing it 630 a.m. or something. 55:49.270 --> 55:55.173 [SPEAKER_02]: And I put, you know, cover my ears, but still I got woken up at like 630 or 7. 55:55.533 --> 55:57.574 [SPEAKER_02]: And at the beginning, it's like a baby crying. 55:57.614 --> 55:58.855 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't sleep through it. 55:59.235 --> 56:04.458 [SPEAKER_02]: But over time you numb out and eventually you know, baby, you're probably going to make it do it and ask fine. 56:04.478 --> 56:04.578 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 56:05.478 --> 56:08.080 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, eventually, I just like died don't care anymore. 56:08.400 --> 56:08.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 56:08.680 --> 56:14.203 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would never, I would very consistently leave my room at a certain time. 56:14.523 --> 56:15.683 [SPEAKER_02]: And he just got used to it. 56:16.084 --> 56:18.445 [SPEAKER_02]: And so like he's he's fine now. 56:18.525 --> 56:20.886 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't at night, even if I leave the room. 56:21.226 --> 56:22.707 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't really do anything. 56:22.947 --> 56:24.528 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, I think I just realized something. 56:25.328 --> 56:27.909 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I know the difference between training a cat and training a dog. 56:28.989 --> 56:30.390 [SPEAKER_00]: When you train a dog, you train a dog. 56:30.810 --> 56:33.471 [SPEAKER_00]: When you train a cat, the cat is training you and you're trying to break that. 56:34.031 --> 56:34.311 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 56:34.331 --> 56:35.711 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that might actually be it. 56:35.791 --> 56:42.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you literally have to fight against the cat trying to get you to do what it wants to do. 56:42.774 --> 56:43.054 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 56:43.634 --> 56:43.974 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 56:44.094 --> 56:45.755 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the relationship with the cat. 56:46.015 --> 56:49.416 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it will continuously manipulate you and you have to fight it. 56:52.573 --> 57:02.282 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is funny, like the concept of getting Pavlov by the dog or the cat instead of, you know, you doing it to the dog, like you said that was happening with Jim Boe, like in Chelsea. 57:02.302 --> 57:05.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Check this out, like yeah, I'm not, this is I have a conspiracy theory right now. 57:05.465 --> 57:08.167 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like my own little conspiracy theory in my house in my home. 57:08.647 --> 57:11.610 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so we have a, we have a ceramic treat jar, right? 57:11.690 --> 57:14.653 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a, it's like a flower jar, like a sugar jar that you'd have on your counter. 57:15.053 --> 57:15.814 [SPEAKER_00]: It's ceramic. 57:15.914 --> 57:17.115 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got a little wooden lid. 57:17.515 --> 57:20.778 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got treats in it and the treats are like pretty consistently. 57:20.798 --> 57:22.840 [SPEAKER_00]: We kind of always put the same treats in there. 57:23.160 --> 57:23.380 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 57:23.400 --> 57:26.783 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you shake it, it makes a sound. 57:27.363 --> 57:27.564 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 57:27.884 --> 57:29.625 [SPEAKER_00]: A very recognizable sound. 57:29.725 --> 57:34.369 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I could never describe you what the sound sounds like, but it's a very specific sound. 57:34.389 --> 57:43.037 [SPEAKER_00]: It just sounds like something shaking around a ceramic bowl, but because of the size, because of the lid and because of the shape and the density of the treats, it makes a very fucking specific sound. 57:43.617 --> 57:45.102 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it sound that much different than anything else? 57:45.303 --> 57:46.928 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but just subtly. 57:47.249 --> 57:47.510 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 57:48.333 --> 57:49.296 [SPEAKER_00]: This fucking cat. 57:50.488 --> 58:12.020 [SPEAKER_00]: If you shake that thing, if you touch it and even one treat clink's the side on the inside, he will come like blasting through the house and Here's what my conspiracy starts because this is like the first half of the conspiracy the second half of the conspiracy is he's an indoor cat, but sometimes we let him out when we're outside. 58:12.040 --> 58:15.382 [SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of cruises around the backyard, he never goes that far. 58:16.242 --> 58:28.672 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can you can go grab them and pick them up and throw them in the house, but like he'll still he'll like try to get away from you, but he's kind of fat and lazy so he doesn't really like you can always get him back like if you scare him, he'll dart back in the house right like the house is a safe space. 58:30.173 --> 58:34.096 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes so quite frequently it's easier to get him back in the house by just shaking the job. 58:34.863 --> 58:35.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 58:36.084 --> 58:48.309 [SPEAKER_00]: And part of me thinks now that the reason he goes outside and why he's so motivated to go outside is because he knows that it leads to us needing to get him back into the house. 58:49.350 --> 58:49.910 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow. 58:50.030 --> 58:55.553 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you, I think that like he's manipulating us and we don't even realize it. 58:55.573 --> 59:00.135 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that like he goes outside literally because he'll get a treat to come back in. 59:00.455 --> 59:01.096 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good one. 59:01.116 --> 59:02.617 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's like that's multiple steps. 59:02.717 --> 59:02.997 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 59:03.177 --> 59:09.062 [SPEAKER_00]: And the way that's what I feel like with the cat is it's like this fight like I feel I have this feeling you don't want to go outside. 59:09.942 --> 59:11.984 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I want to hear other people's stories in the comments. 59:12.024 --> 59:18.048 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me know like how your animals have trained you that you're realizing it like with primrose and child of my dogs. 59:18.148 --> 59:19.129 [SPEAKER_03]: They just want to go outside. 59:19.529 --> 59:22.752 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, well, no, but they slowly started doing something to us. 59:22.832 --> 59:25.214 [SPEAKER_03]: So like we would always go on to walk like first thing in the morning. 59:25.954 --> 59:53.734 [SPEAKER_03]: and like this is when they were puppies and like slowly over time, they would start to maybe like start to like boop your hand or your foot that's hanging off the bed or something like that and like wake you up and then they would like start showing up in the bed with like their collars like in a relationship and then like you know if that didn't work like eventually she started to just like jump up on the bed like lick you in the face barking your face until you woke up and just like 59:54.975 --> 01:00:04.200 [SPEAKER_03]: Like once they figured out like I want to go on a walk now, like I'm just going to wake him up and then I get to go on a walk like, yeah, so if he's awake, then I go on walk. 01:00:04.501 --> 01:00:06.802 [SPEAKER_00]: He still see how that's like a direct relationship though. 01:00:06.822 --> 01:00:09.023 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you and the dog, right? 01:00:09.043 --> 01:00:11.325 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, the dog is like, I want something. 01:00:11.345 --> 01:00:14.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me something in the cat just like. 01:00:15.387 --> 01:00:40.597 [SPEAKER_03]: takes it like it's so weird because it's like the same thing but like a slightly different angle and then she would just uh so I stopped like giving like if she ever did anything I wouldn't wake up I would just pretend to keep sleeping and like for a few months after that like I would feel her jump up into bed you know I'm like still kind of awake but I don't want to go on a walk yet so I just like pretend to be asleep and I can just like she just sits there and stares at me and she'll start like brushing my hand 01:00:41.857 --> 01:00:43.238 [SPEAKER_03]: Just to see if I'm awake yet. 01:00:43.418 --> 01:00:46.780 [SPEAKER_03]: And the second I open my eye, like her eyes light up in her tail. 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:47.020 [SPEAKER_03]: Start back. 01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:47.340 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you awake? 01:00:47.380 --> 01:00:47.840 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you awake? 01:00:47.901 --> 01:00:48.381 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you awake? 01:00:48.441 --> 01:00:48.861 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you awake? 01:00:48.881 --> 01:00:49.561 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you awake? 01:00:50.002 --> 01:00:50.222 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:00:51.318 --> 01:01:05.529 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just do something with dogs that are like a more, it's more of like a friendly relationship and a cat is more of an exploitive relationship, like I feel like cats are not particularly nice, like if they were bigger, which I guess we have bigger cats, right? 01:01:05.569 --> 01:01:08.852 [SPEAKER_00]: Like if they would, they would be very scary and they are. 01:01:08.872 --> 01:01:13.736 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and also like if she's doing that to me, like trying to go on a walk, I could just say like no go. 01:01:13.936 --> 01:01:15.557 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and she would leave me alone. 01:01:15.617 --> 01:01:20.081 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a giant dog, the size of like a tiger or lion would not be that scary. 01:01:21.108 --> 01:01:23.489 [SPEAKER_03]: No, but a cat that size is scary. 01:01:24.089 --> 01:01:27.391 [SPEAKER_03]: I used to think that like bears were just big dogs. 01:01:28.051 --> 01:01:28.431 [SPEAKER_03]: They're not. 01:01:28.471 --> 01:01:29.471 [SPEAKER_03]: They're big raccoons. 01:01:29.611 --> 01:01:29.852 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:01:30.852 --> 01:01:31.492 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, basically. 01:01:31.512 --> 01:01:31.612 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:01:31.632 --> 01:01:33.033 [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're closer to a raccoon. 01:01:33.053 --> 01:01:34.293 [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting. 01:01:35.454 --> 01:01:36.674 [SPEAKER_00]: I never thought about it like that. 01:01:36.694 --> 01:01:38.375 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes a lot of sense actually. 01:01:38.415 --> 01:01:38.755 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:01:38.935 --> 01:01:41.656 [SPEAKER_03]: So you don't want to, you don't want to be friends with a bear. 01:01:41.816 --> 01:01:42.757 [SPEAKER_00]: Lucy skin. 01:01:42.777 --> 01:01:43.597 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:01:43.817 --> 01:01:46.558 [SPEAKER_03]: Five little trash has hands. 01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:47.979 [SPEAKER_00]: Huh. 01:01:49.095 --> 01:01:51.878 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I'm definitely going to be a cat person. 01:01:51.918 --> 01:02:01.468 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe at some point in my life, a dog might make sense, but there's just like too much to much work, in which obligation to be a good dog parent. 01:02:01.789 --> 01:02:03.911 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's being a cat parent for all intents and purposes? 01:02:03.931 --> 01:02:05.092 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty fucking easy. 01:02:05.853 --> 01:02:16.897 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, don't worry, one day potato is going to ask for a dog and she's going to promise to take it out on walks and feed it every single day and then like a year later, totally forget about all that listen, then we'll take it to a little bit. 01:02:16.957 --> 01:02:17.978 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's going to become your dog. 01:02:18.018 --> 01:02:24.420 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit more than her just like my fam, my parents did with my dog and the glue factory with you. 01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:26.481 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, what time is it? 01:02:26.961 --> 01:02:27.921 [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's been about an hour. 01:02:27.941 --> 01:02:28.041 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:02:28.302 --> 01:02:30.762 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go a tiny bit more. 01:02:33.757 --> 01:02:42.260 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any weird pets other than Turtles or hamster or rabbit that I caught out in the garden That's interesting. 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:43.140 [SPEAKER_03]: That's probably the worst. 01:02:43.520 --> 01:02:45.641 [SPEAKER_00]: I could imagine a wild rabbit being an extremely shitty. 01:02:45.841 --> 01:02:52.344 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah We had a rabbit that got eaten by something on say what's the rabbit day? 01:02:52.364 --> 01:02:54.624 [SPEAKER_00]: The holiday Easter Easter. 01:02:54.664 --> 01:03:01.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was my sisters rabbit though Ready or sliders the turtles water turtles. 01:03:01.527 --> 01:03:01.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 01:03:01.947 --> 01:03:04.348 [SPEAKER_00]: Those were kind of shitty pets. 01:03:04.388 --> 01:03:05.749 [SPEAKER_00]: Say worry, yeah. 01:03:05.909 --> 01:03:07.490 [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't take great care of them. 01:03:07.830 --> 01:03:09.291 [SPEAKER_00]: I never changed the filter enough. 01:03:09.331 --> 01:03:12.412 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I learned later that you're not actually just like clean the filter out. 01:03:12.432 --> 01:03:15.334 [SPEAKER_00]: You're just supposed to rinse it out, basically, with its own water. 01:03:16.575 --> 01:03:22.918 [SPEAKER_00]: You honest to God, don't get your kid anything aquatic if it has a filter in requires. 01:03:22.958 --> 01:03:28.441 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless that kid is a miraculously well, the main responsible child, I was not. 01:03:28.481 --> 01:03:30.682 [SPEAKER_00]: That was, maybe it was an important lesson. 01:03:30.922 --> 01:03:33.204 [SPEAKER_03]: My parents would buy me any pet, but a dog. 01:03:33.684 --> 01:03:35.186 [SPEAKER_00]: That is fucking wild. 01:03:35.306 --> 01:03:35.586 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:03:35.846 --> 01:03:38.128 [SPEAKER_00]: It's feel like there are so many worse pets than a dog. 01:03:38.468 --> 01:03:39.529 [SPEAKER_00]: A snake would be crazy. 01:03:39.549 --> 01:03:41.171 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why the fuck anybody likes snakes. 01:03:41.251 --> 01:03:43.513 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I wouldn't let me have a snake, but I would bring them home a lot. 01:03:43.993 --> 01:03:45.754 [SPEAKER_03]: That's keeping them in a box or something. 01:03:45.814 --> 01:03:46.755 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad I understand. 01:03:46.795 --> 01:03:47.996 [SPEAKER_00]: I am put on as with your mother. 01:03:48.917 --> 01:03:51.159 [SPEAKER_03]: These are Kevin only weird people keeps snakes as pets. 01:03:51.179 --> 01:03:52.401 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's true. 01:03:52.501 --> 01:03:53.882 [SPEAKER_00]: And even weird are people breed them. 01:03:54.202 --> 01:03:54.403 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:03:54.523 --> 01:03:58.807 [SPEAKER_00]: And I used to think she was like being mean, but I think she's a little bit there's some truth to that. 01:03:58.867 --> 01:04:00.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you have like dogs. 01:04:00.589 --> 01:04:03.011 [SPEAKER_00]: You have cats, like the level of like human affection. 01:04:03.031 --> 01:04:06.815 [SPEAKER_00]: Stars and cats, and at the bottom and like double F tier or snakes. 01:04:06.895 --> 01:04:07.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:04:07.295 --> 01:04:11.459 [SPEAKER_00]: A snake is as close as you can get to a fucking Tomagachi that's trying to hurt you. 01:04:12.204 --> 01:04:19.991 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like your relationship, like your positive relationship with your snake is like the snake thinks her warm and it doesn't immediately buy and kill you. 01:04:21.272 --> 01:04:29.259 [SPEAKER_00]: That's like that is the entire snake experience is oh, my snake doesn't try to hurt me immediately. 01:04:30.156 --> 01:04:36.039 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think it's the same thing like this snake trains you to be careful around it to not trigger it to want to eat you. 01:04:36.139 --> 01:04:39.701 [SPEAKER_00]: I think this I think honestly I think snakes are like bugs man. 01:04:39.741 --> 01:04:40.901 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're so fucking stupid. 01:04:40.921 --> 01:04:41.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 01:04:41.662 --> 01:04:43.923 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they genuinely have no idea what's going on. 01:04:44.503 --> 01:04:47.045 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you get a snake that doesn't bite you, you're just lucky. 01:04:47.705 --> 01:04:50.987 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or you've learned to like adapt to its behavior. 01:04:51.007 --> 01:04:52.687 [SPEAKER_00]: But don't handle it until it's been fed. 01:04:53.088 --> 01:04:53.328 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:04:53.868 --> 01:05:07.374 [SPEAKER_00]: like please God can somebody explain the like whole snake thing to me because I've never heard it heard a good explanation Nigel do you have any thoughts on why somebody would have a snake would you ever have a snake? 01:05:08.754 --> 01:05:13.917 [SPEAKER_02]: I like snakes as a kid I don't really personally as a pet though or you see the cool. 01:05:13.937 --> 01:05:15.137 [SPEAKER_02]: I said it's a kid that we had a kid. 01:05:15.157 --> 01:05:15.297 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:05:17.420 --> 01:05:18.220 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were cool. 01:05:18.520 --> 01:05:20.001 [SPEAKER_02]: I personally don't understand. 01:05:20.481 --> 01:05:23.662 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't want to snake as a pet, but I can see why people would. 01:05:23.922 --> 01:05:24.322 [SPEAKER_00]: Why? 01:05:24.783 --> 01:05:26.003 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me, enlighten me. 01:05:26.883 --> 01:05:27.564 [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of cool. 01:05:27.864 --> 01:05:28.204 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 01:05:28.244 --> 01:05:29.284 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it, though, they're cool. 01:05:29.304 --> 01:05:30.645 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, why do you have a cat? 01:05:31.385 --> 01:05:32.745 [SPEAKER_03]: They're also like kind of stinky. 01:05:32.785 --> 01:05:33.826 [SPEAKER_03]: They kind of poop every way. 01:05:33.846 --> 01:05:35.746 [SPEAKER_00]: And they are one for the very stinky for how cold they are. 01:05:35.786 --> 01:05:36.927 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand how that works. 01:05:36.947 --> 01:05:37.247 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:05:39.228 --> 01:05:39.828 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know. 01:05:40.566 --> 01:05:51.018 [SPEAKER_03]: You're just like, I mean, I kind of get it like for like a collection of like one like, you know, like one little what do they call them like boars, not like boars, but I don't 01:05:51.693 --> 01:05:52.113 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 01:05:52.694 --> 01:05:53.394 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you boy. 01:05:53.414 --> 01:05:54.375 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just like one of the basic. 01:05:54.435 --> 01:05:55.136 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you boys. 01:05:55.256 --> 01:05:55.536 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:05:55.556 --> 01:05:55.716 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:05:55.736 --> 01:05:56.497 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's fine. 01:05:56.537 --> 01:05:57.238 [SPEAKER_00]: But the month of. 01:05:57.378 --> 01:06:01.401 [SPEAKER_03]: Once you start getting like a few snakes and then you start getting like yeah. 01:06:01.501 --> 01:06:02.262 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, a snake pit. 01:06:02.402 --> 01:06:04.183 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, snake pit venomous snakes. 01:06:04.203 --> 01:06:04.464 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:06:04.784 --> 01:06:05.124 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:06:06.165 --> 01:06:06.505 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:06:07.226 --> 01:06:07.906 [SPEAKER_00]: Now snakes. 01:06:08.587 --> 01:06:09.067 [SPEAKER_00]: That ain't it. 01:06:09.167 --> 01:06:09.588 [SPEAKER_00]: Found. 01:06:10.288 --> 01:06:15.132 [SPEAKER_00]: But if someone has a good explanation as to why snakes, like maybe you're like allergic to dogs and cats or something. 01:06:16.033 --> 01:06:21.380 [SPEAKER_02]: But at that point dude, like a frog of I understand a frog. 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:25.725 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's like at this point, we've straight up, we're talking like holographic Pokemon man. 01:06:25.765 --> 01:06:27.568 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he got like my I got a snake. 01:06:27.608 --> 01:06:29.250 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a collector's thing. 01:06:29.270 --> 01:06:29.650 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:06:29.670 --> 01:06:30.992 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't do anything with it. 01:06:31.012 --> 01:06:32.834 [SPEAKER_00]: Just sit on the wall or maybe like a fish. 01:06:33.515 --> 01:06:34.376 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a fish at them. 01:06:34.416 --> 01:06:35.897 [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't lizards are better than snakes. 01:06:35.917 --> 01:06:36.217 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 01:06:36.398 --> 01:06:36.898 [SPEAKER_03]: Like fish. 01:06:37.038 --> 01:06:38.399 [SPEAKER_03]: Dude, fish suck ass. 01:06:38.980 --> 01:06:39.941 [SPEAKER_03]: My next suck ass. 01:06:40.081 --> 01:06:41.382 [SPEAKER_03]: My friend had this lizard one time. 01:06:41.422 --> 01:06:43.684 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really like expensive designer lizard. 01:06:43.924 --> 01:06:44.024 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh. 01:06:44.124 --> 01:06:46.386 [SPEAKER_03]: And they would never even handle it because they were too scared. 01:06:46.406 --> 01:06:48.047 [SPEAKER_03]: Its tail was going to like explode off. 01:06:48.068 --> 01:06:49.128 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, explode off. 01:06:49.349 --> 01:06:52.311 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, you know, why do I be very careful around it? 01:06:52.331 --> 01:06:54.793 [SPEAKER_03]: Like don't step in the rest and walk up to the glass too fast. 01:06:54.853 --> 01:06:55.254 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shit. 01:06:55.294 --> 01:06:55.954 [SPEAKER_00]: It's tail. 01:06:55.994 --> 01:06:56.295 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:06:56.955 --> 01:06:57.856 [SPEAKER_03]: And then it's worthless. 01:06:58.176 --> 01:06:58.936 [SPEAKER_00]: How do they know this? 01:06:59.036 --> 01:07:02.779 [SPEAKER_00]: This is like a thing that happened or they would really go with a specific type of lizard. 01:07:03.019 --> 01:07:03.859 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. 01:07:03.879 --> 01:07:15.326 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, please please all the snake people out there and letting us as to why you keep a snake and is it actually like just a collector sting? 01:07:15.546 --> 01:07:17.448 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it you get affection out of it? 01:07:18.068 --> 01:07:19.149 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it please? 01:07:20.149 --> 01:07:20.810 [SPEAKER_00]: I need to know. 01:07:20.830 --> 01:07:22.210 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know man. 01:07:22.411 --> 01:07:23.171 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone gets to live 01:07:27.083 --> 01:07:30.967 [SPEAKER_00]: Lizards, I think, are like, okay, because you can kind of, I guess, handle them. 01:07:30.987 --> 01:07:36.393 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they just appear to have more emotion because they have arms and legs. 01:07:36.413 --> 01:07:38.796 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what about, what about charanctulas? 01:07:39.136 --> 01:07:41.078 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that is, it's the same thing. 01:07:41.118 --> 01:07:42.980 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a collecting thing where you just like have a 01:07:46.764 --> 01:07:53.166 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think that if you can't engage with it, it's more of a collection versus a pet. 01:07:53.506 --> 01:07:58.988 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you have a dog or a cat or like, I don't know, like a rat is a good example. 01:07:59.048 --> 01:08:02.390 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like a weird furry family member. 01:08:02.750 --> 01:08:05.811 [SPEAKER_00]: A snake is just like a fucking meat tube. 01:08:05.831 --> 01:08:07.991 [SPEAKER_00]: You've, like, got captured in your house. 01:08:10.732 --> 01:08:12.253 [SPEAKER_02]: I had a, I had rats growing up. 01:08:13.965 --> 01:08:15.166 [SPEAKER_00]: Like rap's make total sense. 01:08:15.186 --> 01:08:18.429 [SPEAKER_00]: Like hamsters are starting to enter the like snake territory, right? 01:08:18.449 --> 01:08:21.872 [SPEAKER_00]: They definitely are like, like a hamster is a shitty pet, right? 01:08:21.992 --> 01:08:25.395 [SPEAKER_00]: It's literally there to kind of be tortured and to teach your children about death. 01:08:26.056 --> 01:08:28.498 [SPEAKER_00]: And it like doesn't have any emotion. 01:08:28.538 --> 01:08:29.859 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of runs away from you. 01:08:29.879 --> 01:08:31.580 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that they're too stupid. 01:08:32.021 --> 01:08:37.726 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the difference between a hamster and a rat is like astronomical from a pat perspective. 01:08:37.786 --> 01:08:38.647 [SPEAKER_00]: Like a rat. 01:08:39.127 --> 01:08:42.790 [SPEAKER_00]: I would feel bad not taking proper care of a hamster. 01:08:42.810 --> 01:08:47.654 [SPEAKER_00]: I think literally is as close as you can get to being a plant on the food chain. 01:08:48.195 --> 01:08:48.475 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:08:48.936 --> 01:08:50.737 [SPEAKER_03]: And rabbits are nice, too. 01:08:50.837 --> 01:08:53.079 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, can you get some of the kind of domestic rabbits? 01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:53.640 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:08:53.660 --> 01:08:54.721 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they'll play with you. 01:08:54.741 --> 01:08:56.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not like a rat though. 01:08:56.662 --> 01:08:57.283 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in between. 01:08:57.343 --> 01:08:58.404 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a rabbit. 01:08:58.644 --> 01:08:59.385 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like between. 01:08:59.545 --> 01:09:01.627 [SPEAKER_00]: You got a hamster at the bottom is basically a snake. 01:09:02.007 --> 01:09:04.909 [SPEAKER_00]: A rat is like surprisingly close to like a dog. 01:09:05.978 --> 01:09:07.138 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never had a rat, so I don't know. 01:09:07.198 --> 01:09:10.579 [SPEAKER_00]: There, it's, if you seem like the video's on, they're like, they're really social. 01:09:10.919 --> 01:09:18.602 [SPEAKER_00]: And then in the middle of the rabbit, we're kind of like, is sort of brain damage like a hamster, but like still is social like, like a rat? 01:09:18.802 --> 01:09:19.422 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:09:19.482 --> 01:09:21.803 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there's like, it's like, I can understand that. 01:09:21.823 --> 01:09:23.963 [SPEAKER_00]: Like a pet is like a family member. 01:09:24.163 --> 01:09:28.265 [SPEAKER_00]: That's, this is, we really have a tier list of like, but then you have like, what is a pet, you know? 01:09:28.325 --> 01:09:30.505 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it like, I have a cage with a snake in it? 01:09:30.785 --> 01:09:32.786 [SPEAKER_00]: And next to what I have a cage with a natural in it? 01:09:33.633 --> 01:09:36.955 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess maybe your hobby is like making weird, tarantula hybrid. 01:09:36.975 --> 01:09:38.636 [SPEAKER_00]: Just kidding, shit that make people uncomfortable. 01:09:38.776 --> 01:09:40.957 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, that seems normal. 01:09:41.318 --> 01:09:48.602 [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I know people that have snakes, and they're like, yeah, sometimes I think that it loves me, but then I, I remember that no, it's just like a stupid meat stick. 01:09:48.642 --> 01:09:50.323 [SPEAKER_03]: And it doesn't care about me at all. 01:09:50.563 --> 01:09:51.283 [SPEAKER_03]: I just like it. 01:09:51.343 --> 01:09:52.244 [SPEAKER_03]: I just like the way it looks. 01:09:52.304 --> 01:09:54.605 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think about my ex and plan if it tried to bite me. 01:09:54.625 --> 01:09:56.126 [SPEAKER_00]: I would swing it around really fast. 01:09:56.146 --> 01:09:58.748 [SPEAKER_00]: And it wouldn't be able to then have strong enough abs. 01:09:59.228 --> 01:09:59.889 [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that fucked up? 01:10:00.070 --> 01:10:04.197 [SPEAKER_00]: You feed at mice, which probably have, would you have a better relationship with mice? 01:10:04.778 --> 01:10:10.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they would be more of like a mutually like on a social relationship, and that's what you feed your meat to. 01:10:11.209 --> 01:10:11.529 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:10:11.950 --> 01:10:12.451 [SPEAKER_00]: Just a thought. 01:10:12.938 --> 01:10:15.779 [SPEAKER_03]: Lately, I've been like, I've been liking bugs more. 01:10:16.339 --> 01:10:19.761 [SPEAKER_03]: So I have this little like terrarium that I got from pet co. Yeah. 01:10:19.961 --> 01:10:24.103 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's small, like, you know, smaller than a shoe box, but I put some like fake moss in there. 01:10:24.123 --> 01:10:24.383 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:10:24.403 --> 01:10:25.563 [SPEAKER_03]: And then if I find a cool bug. 01:10:25.603 --> 01:10:26.824 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll throw in the tray. 01:10:26.864 --> 01:10:28.204 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I watch it for a little bit. 01:10:28.244 --> 01:10:29.285 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that is cool. 01:10:30.322 --> 01:10:31.803 [SPEAKER_00]: And you wouldn't consider those a pet. 01:10:32.123 --> 01:10:34.325 [SPEAKER_00]: No, and I feel exactly the same about snakes. 01:10:34.785 --> 01:10:35.125 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:10:35.146 --> 01:10:36.126 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be the same thing. 01:10:36.166 --> 01:10:40.129 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it's like a little animal thing. 01:10:40.269 --> 01:10:41.990 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like kind of like, watch it. 01:10:42.010 --> 01:10:43.592 [SPEAKER_00]: You're a person like tiny little macro. 01:10:43.812 --> 01:10:44.432 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:10:44.652 --> 01:10:49.456 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then a few like what a month ago, I found a camel spider. 01:10:49.476 --> 01:10:50.757 [SPEAKER_03]: They call them sunspiders here. 01:10:50.777 --> 01:10:52.458 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, I said, I said you the picture, right? 01:10:52.478 --> 01:10:55.160 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the big nasty looking guy has like two teeth on the bottom. 01:10:55.180 --> 01:10:57.301 [SPEAKER_03]: Two teeth up top and like opens its mouth. 01:10:58.462 --> 01:11:00.543 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, like grabs bugs like that. 01:11:00.564 --> 01:11:02.225 [SPEAKER_00]: Ehh, how long did that live for? 01:11:02.245 --> 01:11:09.489 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I scooped it up and put it outside because I thought killing it might release some kind of demonic energy inside of that. 01:11:09.509 --> 01:11:10.170 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot of juice. 01:11:10.230 --> 01:11:10.970 [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like that. 01:11:11.171 --> 01:11:11.791 [SPEAKER_00]: It was in the house. 01:11:12.271 --> 01:11:12.632 [SPEAKER_00]: In the house. 01:11:12.652 --> 01:11:13.672 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was in the house, but it got out. 01:11:13.852 --> 01:11:14.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 01:11:14.193 --> 01:11:14.333 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:11:14.373 --> 01:11:15.213 [SPEAKER_00]: And then this put it out. 01:11:15.233 --> 01:11:16.554 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this the criteria for a pet? 01:11:17.195 --> 01:11:19.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that if it's in a cage and you never let it out? 01:11:19.816 --> 01:11:21.518 [SPEAKER_00]: And if it got out, you would be afraid. 01:11:21.918 --> 01:11:22.618 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a pet. 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:23.159 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:11:23.179 --> 01:11:26.481 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it's in a cage and a got out and you wouldn't be afraid, then maybe it's a pet. 01:11:28.545 --> 01:11:31.667 [SPEAKER_02]: But what, what, what, what, what do you consider a cage? 01:11:31.967 --> 01:11:34.408 [SPEAKER_02]: What was it like, uh, like if it's captioning like a little box? 01:11:34.468 --> 01:11:37.070 [SPEAKER_03]: I wish I could have it though, and then made it fight other bugs. 01:11:37.230 --> 01:11:38.310 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that is it, we should do it. 01:11:38.330 --> 01:11:39.471 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a legal even. 01:11:39.851 --> 01:11:40.491 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so either. 01:11:40.551 --> 01:11:41.252 [SPEAKER_03]: I think yeah. 01:11:41.972 --> 01:11:46.174 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it just entirely depends like what your goal is with the pet. 01:11:46.214 --> 01:11:49.256 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's exactly, that's what I want to know. 01:11:49.556 --> 01:11:51.837 [SPEAKER_00]: Is why would somebody get a snake? 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