WEBVTT 00:00.171 --> 00:10.739 [SPEAKER_00]: This episode of True's Table is brought to you by our NAACP Image Award-nominated book, True's Table, Black Women's Musings on Life, Love, and Liberation. 00:11.140 --> 00:12.661 [SPEAKER_00]: Get it where all books are sold. 00:16.150 --> 00:17.511 [SPEAKER_02]: Brothers, y'all all right? 00:17.871 --> 00:21.132 [SPEAKER_02]: If this is your first time at Truth's Table, welcome to the table. 00:21.312 --> 00:23.854 [SPEAKER_02]: And you've been sitting at the table with us all these years. 00:24.114 --> 00:33.798 [SPEAKER_02]: We are so grateful that you have been listening to us through these years, and we are inviting you to partner with us and support our work at patreon.com slash Truth's Table. 00:34.078 --> 00:37.020 [SPEAKER_02]: Now pull up a chair and have a seat at the table with us. 00:37.700 --> 00:38.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to True Stable. 00:38.661 --> 00:40.702 [SPEAKER_02]: May wise, the culture for Grace and Truth, Dr. McKamini. 00:41.102 --> 00:41.882 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Christina. 00:42.302 --> 00:44.623 [SPEAKER_01]: This table is built by Black woman and for Black women. 00:44.643 --> 00:45.664 [SPEAKER_01]: So welcome to the table. 00:45.704 --> 00:47.025 [SPEAKER_01]: See how you're doing, girl. 00:47.805 --> 00:49.206 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm doing okay. 00:49.306 --> 00:52.607 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have some technical difficulties. 00:54.388 --> 01:02.692 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, just to make it just to make it to this moment, just for the recording to record. 01:02.752 --> 01:05.814 [SPEAKER_01]: And besides that, I mean, the grand scheme of life, 01:06.865 --> 01:08.486 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing okay. 01:08.526 --> 01:09.307 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 01:09.607 --> 01:10.968 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing today? 01:11.188 --> 01:16.552 [SPEAKER_02]: The technology was just for a little razzle dazzle for our top today. 01:16.572 --> 01:18.373 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess only really. 01:18.414 --> 01:19.154 [SPEAKER_02]: I think so. 01:19.614 --> 01:20.855 [SPEAKER_02]: It was rather fitting. 01:20.915 --> 01:22.617 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a experiential moment. 01:23.575 --> 01:34.846 [SPEAKER_02]: So that wore me out a bit but you know, it was very 2026, but yeah, the topic on the table is under performance in 2026. 01:34.886 --> 01:38.409 [SPEAKER_02]: They're tackle my completely changed, but that's where we are. 01:38.469 --> 01:41.532 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where we're feeling right now. 01:41.572 --> 01:44.635 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, okay, I'm going to do the best I can with what I do. 01:44.715 --> 01:45.396 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I hear good. 01:45.876 --> 02:01.088 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the best I can with what I got, okay, yeah, you know, what at feeling your, you know, your use of wisdom or whatever you're phrasing is for all of the things, but uh, but yeah, okay, so how do we, yeah, how did you why this topic? 02:01.108 --> 02:10.595 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so we were brainstorming topics the other day and I just think that I think whether it's from within ourselves, our expectations of self or others, I think that we might be 02:12.977 --> 02:18.583 [SPEAKER_01]: So one thing we are observing is that it appears that people might be underperforming. 02:19.023 --> 02:28.952 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, I think our expectations of others might be off and our expectations of ourselves, that we have had years and years of craziness. 02:29.493 --> 02:31.455 [SPEAKER_01]: And at some point, crazy catches up with you. 02:31.675 --> 02:33.276 [SPEAKER_01]: At some point, it's like, 02:34.362 --> 02:43.448 [SPEAKER_01]: you just can't keep pretending like we're not in an ecosystem of stress and distress socially, politically, the church, you name it. 02:43.888 --> 02:48.171 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yes, I was like, let's, let's carve out a space to just name that. 02:49.231 --> 02:52.033 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what my thinking was and what, what's your thinking? 02:52.814 --> 02:54.375 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I, um, 02:55.324 --> 03:09.656 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I concur with that totally, I'm not sure if the expectations, I don't, I actually don't think expectations are high, you know, of what I just expect people just to do their jobs. 03:10.017 --> 03:14.921 [SPEAKER_01]: As people not even do in a jobs, even the minimum, I'm like, what's going on? 03:15.161 --> 03:19.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just, there's no one working at Burger King today, they're not there. 03:22.861 --> 03:24.622 [SPEAKER_02]: When you know, Burger King ain't got fries. 03:24.862 --> 03:25.742 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 03:26.062 --> 03:26.522 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, burgers. 03:26.543 --> 03:28.043 [SPEAKER_01]: Burger King ain't got no burgers. 03:28.223 --> 03:28.503 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 03:28.963 --> 03:29.744 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go home. 03:30.524 --> 03:31.525 [SPEAKER_02]: Wing thumping out wings. 03:31.605 --> 03:32.665 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 03:32.745 --> 03:33.385 [SPEAKER_02]: That's going. 03:34.086 --> 03:34.706 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 03:34.866 --> 03:35.806 [SPEAKER_02]: You know. 03:36.006 --> 03:37.467 [SPEAKER_02]: The FDA don't respect the food. 03:37.487 --> 03:38.167 [SPEAKER_02]: What's happening? 03:38.187 --> 03:38.767 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 03:38.867 --> 03:39.228 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 03:39.268 --> 03:40.428 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just. 03:41.188 --> 03:41.629 [SPEAKER_02]: Well. 03:42.049 --> 03:42.709 [SPEAKER_02]: But we know. 03:43.529 --> 03:44.210 [SPEAKER_02]: So I just. 03:44.710 --> 03:44.970 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:44.990 --> 03:47.751 [SPEAKER_02]: I like, like, for example, I was in California. 03:47.791 --> 03:49.632 [SPEAKER_02]: Went back home to the Bay. 03:50.711 --> 03:51.291 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, about a week. 03:51.531 --> 03:52.432 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's a week ago. 03:52.672 --> 03:53.933 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't make a week ago, actually. 03:55.313 --> 04:01.456 [SPEAKER_02]: And when I got there, when I landed in the bay right, when I get home, my mom picked me up for the airport and we go pretty much straight to in and out. 04:01.496 --> 04:02.737 [SPEAKER_02]: That's usually the first stop. 04:03.638 --> 04:17.905 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, went to in and out and all of the recalls and all of the things, you know, a part of that hamburger you're gonna get is gonna be some a nice, hardy piece of iceberg lettuce. 04:18.645 --> 04:33.391 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we go to the window, we talk to the attending comes the in and out, uh, uh, uh, check out, uh, main comes to the window and I was like, uh, okay, where do y'all source to your lettuce? 04:33.711 --> 04:40.794 [SPEAKER_02]: Because of this recall, you know, with cyclists for us, there's at least that that junction that had been two people that had died. 04:40.974 --> 04:44.336 [SPEAKER_02]: That we know of, uh, from, unfortunately, 04:47.877 --> 04:56.703 [SPEAKER_02]: bacteria, right in that lettuce, and so, and whatever else is flowing around in our produce, and so, I was like, what's the deal? 04:57.163 --> 04:58.504 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it locally sour? 04:58.764 --> 05:00.505 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it? 05:00.545 --> 05:01.666 [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on tonight? 05:01.746 --> 05:02.647 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything, right? 05:03.127 --> 05:04.828 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because everything, right? 05:05.949 --> 05:09.031 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, oh, yeah, you know, he was like, 05:13.052 --> 05:20.350 [SPEAKER_02]: Blackbird, card, I was supposed to memorize and tell you guys, you know, when you come up to the windows, like, okay. 05:22.184 --> 05:23.745 [SPEAKER_02]: Where is the placard, first of all? 05:24.066 --> 05:26.288 [SPEAKER_02]: That's step one, because I didn't see the placard. 05:26.788 --> 05:30.591 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's how I supposed to memorize that and tell you all that when you, like, thanks for reminding me. 05:30.611 --> 05:31.072 [SPEAKER_01]: The mooks. 05:31.472 --> 05:32.673 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you know what? 05:32.953 --> 05:36.316 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, like, thanks, Custard, if I remind you me of something else. 05:36.336 --> 05:39.539 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, wow, it's happening. 05:39.719 --> 05:43.042 [SPEAKER_02]: I just was like, I was just shaking my head. 05:43.122 --> 05:46.244 [SPEAKER_02]: I had no lettuce, do not put lettuce on it. 05:46.645 --> 05:47.125 [SPEAKER_01]: My burger. 05:47.545 --> 05:48.947 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it's up. 05:51.309 --> 05:54.311 [SPEAKER_02]: That's an example of the underperformance, you know. 05:54.571 --> 06:01.314 [SPEAKER_02]: And I believe he was young, maybe, I think he's, I don't, I guess I don't know if he, would he be Gen Z? 06:01.354 --> 06:01.954 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a teen. 06:01.974 --> 06:05.536 [SPEAKER_02]: So I would say he's in high school, maybe 17, 16 years where I put him over here. 06:05.556 --> 06:06.336 [SPEAKER_02]: There could be alpha. 06:06.376 --> 06:07.436 [SPEAKER_02]: So he might be alpha. 06:07.656 --> 06:09.477 [SPEAKER_02]: He might be an order alpha. 06:09.557 --> 06:11.778 [SPEAKER_01]: I just was like, in excellence. 06:12.018 --> 06:13.099 [SPEAKER_01]: And they got to be over us. 06:13.359 --> 06:13.979 [SPEAKER_01]: They really do. 06:14.159 --> 06:15.100 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got to be like, 06:16.032 --> 06:16.733 [SPEAKER_01]: What are y'all doing? 06:16.933 --> 06:22.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this happened on your watch, you know, like the younger generation. 06:22.078 --> 06:25.661 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and you should know, you should have the plucker. 06:25.901 --> 06:26.922 [SPEAKER_02]: You should have it. 06:27.022 --> 06:27.763 [SPEAKER_02]: You should do job. 06:28.043 --> 06:31.527 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you really just told me was your job actually to memorize that and tell me. 06:31.547 --> 06:36.311 [SPEAKER_01]: He needed you to remind him because that's a part of that process. 06:36.471 --> 06:38.033 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you help me help me. 06:38.053 --> 06:39.194 [SPEAKER_01]: You would help me do my job. 06:39.574 --> 06:40.055 [SPEAKER_01]: You help me. 06:41.818 --> 06:56.131 [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, but also to your point, I mean that that generous right there if he's alpha, older alpha, and you say let's say he's 16, you know, he's seen we've got 1615, but no, yeah, probably 1615. 06:57.252 --> 07:00.075 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I mean, honestly, uh, 07:01.044 --> 07:03.985 [SPEAKER_02]: You talk about, about 10, 15 years, okay? 07:04.005 --> 07:06.205 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, probably the majority of his life. 07:06.425 --> 07:10.907 [SPEAKER_02]: There's been political and excellence and mayhem and destruction. 07:11.027 --> 07:14.047 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, the empire has been falling for some time. 07:14.128 --> 07:19.369 [SPEAKER_02]: So in some ways, you're right, that he has, they haven't really grown up in a stable, like, 07:19.889 --> 07:20.950 [SPEAKER_02]: political environment. 07:21.431 --> 07:29.878 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so that fostered excellence and required stability and all those things and so I think that it can be harder. 07:30.539 --> 07:33.321 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if we don't have that frame, it can be like, what is this? 07:33.782 --> 07:37.645 [SPEAKER_02]: You should memorize the placard and tell me, you should do your job. 07:38.706 --> 07:39.147 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. 07:39.207 --> 07:44.712 [SPEAKER_01]: I also think about what it means to be a part of a generation where everything is online. 07:45.797 --> 07:46.517 [SPEAKER_01]: everything going. 07:46.557 --> 07:53.719 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who I would be if I did not have an actual library card and like I spent my childhood going to buy to get books. 07:54.179 --> 07:54.619 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. 07:54.719 --> 07:56.880 [SPEAKER_01]: I set at tables and I have a big room. 07:56.900 --> 08:03.361 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there are kids that are like 10 and or college students who don't do this now, but that was like normative. 08:03.421 --> 08:05.442 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was, yes, that was the norm. 08:05.562 --> 08:06.242 [SPEAKER_01]: The library. 08:07.082 --> 08:13.105 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that there are just real consequences to having a digital world, a digital world. 08:13.205 --> 08:21.370 [SPEAKER_01]: And in terms of depression and anxiety, we are just not meant to be inundated with confidence, similar in that way. 08:21.650 --> 08:25.692 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm laughing because I'm thinking like, yeah, he was like, all thanks for reminding me. 08:26.032 --> 08:28.013 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably because everything does need a prompt. 08:28.053 --> 08:30.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you think about your brain and state. 08:31.715 --> 08:37.338 [SPEAKER_01]: You gave a paper to read like this instead of like an ex notification. 08:37.838 --> 08:46.662 [SPEAKER_02]: Remember to say this you know So I mean with there are three minutes into my investigation slash interrogation Okay, but wait I don't want to finish my my monologue. 08:46.722 --> 08:48.903 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, oh, yeah You're on it And I like 09:01.073 --> 09:01.513 [SPEAKER_02]: J.M.C. 09:01.833 --> 09:02.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Go for it. 09:02.714 --> 09:04.455 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's alpha. 09:04.935 --> 09:08.817 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this too much. 09:08.917 --> 09:09.917 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot happening. 09:10.217 --> 09:11.418 [SPEAKER_01]: I just say, I always say that. 09:11.438 --> 09:11.778 [SPEAKER_00]: I try to. 09:11.818 --> 09:12.458 [SPEAKER_00]: My day. 09:12.478 --> 09:14.359 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry for that. 09:14.379 --> 09:15.420 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 09:15.440 --> 09:16.300 [SPEAKER_01]: You know you're an old head. 09:16.320 --> 09:17.661 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, back in my day. 09:17.761 --> 09:18.761 [SPEAKER_01]: We would have done this. 09:18.842 --> 09:19.162 [SPEAKER_01]: You know. 09:19.262 --> 09:21.243 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just think, yeah, when I look at. 09:21.523 --> 09:22.683 [SPEAKER_01]: It just breaks his behind us. 09:22.723 --> 09:23.684 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always like, well. 09:25.232 --> 09:39.243 [SPEAKER_01]: We're a part of the process, like, what was our, what did we, what did we do or not do to shape what we see and and also they're like a very real strengths to every generation to but But but she won't line. 09:39.283 --> 09:41.325 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there is this sense that he's full. 09:41.665 --> 09:48.711 [SPEAKER_01]: So here's my thing with folks, but I mean, that was my I think I have come to terms that 09:50.558 --> 09:53.739 [SPEAKER_01]: people off, I've come to terms of people are off. 09:53.759 --> 10:00.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the other day I was driving in the car and I promised you, it's possible I could have been driving and maybe I did something that I shouldn't have done. 10:00.801 --> 10:01.621 [SPEAKER_01]: But I really don't think so. 10:01.641 --> 10:03.382 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a very normal driving moment. 10:03.442 --> 10:07.603 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like just a couple bumps above the speed limit like with the flow of the graphics. 10:07.643 --> 10:10.724 [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't like a snail or I wasn't like zippin' whatever. 10:11.424 --> 10:15.025 [SPEAKER_01]: And just driving normally, normally down the road. 10:15.045 --> 10:16.125 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 10:16.365 --> 10:18.306 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, car zoomed in front of me. 10:19.366 --> 10:40.520 [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess it's not I guess it shouldn't be funny, but it's just so crazy that I just like I don't know what to do I just got a laugh at it Zoomed in front of me and then he rolled he or she the person rolled down their window took their hand out of the car Rose it high in the air like straight up in the air like an antenna and then proceeded to put their middle finger up And I thought at you I 10:41.421 --> 10:43.142 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a suit, scary though. 10:43.182 --> 10:45.324 [SPEAKER_02]: You never know, because people are pulling out weapons. 10:45.344 --> 10:46.685 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to touch the things these days. 10:46.705 --> 10:54.551 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm assuming that it was, I really, so for a minute, I was like, I wasn't even like offended. 10:54.571 --> 10:56.612 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so, I was so befuddled and puzzled. 10:57.152 --> 11:01.516 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, so I just was like, oh, my, is that to the world? 11:01.896 --> 11:03.257 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so for a second. 11:03.317 --> 11:04.198 [SPEAKER_01]: I sent you the world. 11:05.418 --> 11:10.942 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really difficult because I looked around and the other cars and I were all like we don't know We don't know. 11:11.002 --> 11:11.723 [SPEAKER_01]: Did we offend you? 11:11.743 --> 11:12.263 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened? 11:12.563 --> 11:14.064 [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't even like how dare you. 11:14.124 --> 11:20.028 [SPEAKER_01]: I just was like Puzzling and then then later that week again, maybe this is my driving. 11:20.048 --> 11:30.355 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a bad driver by the way But the baby maybe it was later that week You know you know how folks if you're if you're a there's somebody who wants to cut across lanes to make a turn You there's always somebody who 11:31.176 --> 11:33.218 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, they don't they don't turn at the light. 11:33.318 --> 11:35.520 [SPEAKER_01]: They they turn it like some kind of awkward place. 11:35.601 --> 11:52.297 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's really based on the the altruism of the other cars if they choose to stop and to let you go in to let you kind of cut between the flow of multiple lanes so that you can go to wherever you were trying to go instead of like going at the light. 11:53.118 --> 11:56.903 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was in my car, probably singing the greatest hits, which is what I do. 11:56.943 --> 11:59.666 [SPEAKER_01]: I used my car ride to connect with my musicality. 11:59.966 --> 12:07.535 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was in the car singing, so apparently there's a car on my side to my right who decides they're going to stop for this other vehicle to cut in front of us. 12:07.976 --> 12:08.396 [SPEAKER_01]: Now listen. 12:09.117 --> 12:19.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't nobody tell me I wasn't a contract that really ain't out of my business just and just because you decided to stop without communicating with me That I mean I won't stop because we yeah, we have the flow. 12:19.742 --> 12:26.585 [SPEAKER_01]: We're we have the right to pass it right now So I'm still saying then did it and then done and I'm driving and so what so when I try 12:27.768 --> 12:30.509 [SPEAKER_01]: That means I closed the gap because I'm driving. 12:30.929 --> 12:33.649 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wasn't in the agreement, they didn't lay the open hand. 12:33.709 --> 12:34.589 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know nothing about that. 12:34.609 --> 12:35.850 [SPEAKER_01]: Y'all didn't tell me nothing about that. 12:35.870 --> 12:36.870 [SPEAKER_01]: Y'all making eye contact. 12:36.890 --> 12:38.350 [SPEAKER_01]: You should have included me in it. 12:38.430 --> 12:39.270 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to tell you. 12:39.310 --> 12:39.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 12:39.851 --> 12:41.551 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's not like the requirement. 12:41.951 --> 12:43.651 [SPEAKER_01]: The lady got so mad. 12:43.671 --> 12:44.872 [SPEAKER_01]: The one who wanted to make the turn. 12:44.952 --> 12:45.872 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a young woman. 12:45.892 --> 12:47.032 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 12:47.212 --> 12:47.872 [SPEAKER_01]: I had to guess. 12:47.952 --> 12:50.533 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say she was, she had small children in the car. 12:50.573 --> 12:51.173 [SPEAKER_01]: Young woman. 12:51.313 --> 12:52.033 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get your money. 12:52.273 --> 12:52.793 [SPEAKER_01]: White woman. 12:53.433 --> 12:55.334 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, she was live-ed. 12:56.258 --> 12:56.699 [SPEAKER_01]: Live it. 12:56.719 --> 13:06.133 [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, yeah, close that to me and let me say what I really thought just what I really thought it can be I thought oh you don't know me 13:07.374 --> 13:14.478 [SPEAKER_01]: Like at all, like I'm not particularly crazy, by the way, I want to say that out loud, but I mean, like, you don't know people are loud though. 13:14.518 --> 13:18.741 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know how my day has been going. 13:18.801 --> 13:20.142 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know my temperament. 13:20.522 --> 13:23.604 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know if I'm ready to risk it all. 13:23.644 --> 13:24.765 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what weapons I have. 13:24.805 --> 13:26.126 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know if you have a weapon or not. 13:26.146 --> 13:26.666 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was like, 13:27.086 --> 13:33.030 [SPEAKER_01]: or you don't know if I recognize your face and then you'd have to report to me tomorrow like you really don't know me. 13:33.491 --> 13:35.632 [SPEAKER_01]: And what you should know is I'm another human being. 13:35.672 --> 13:39.815 [SPEAKER_01]: So you got to be careful with cutting up with people made me image of God, just in general. 13:40.115 --> 13:42.517 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was initially I was just shocked. 13:42.597 --> 13:49.202 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, man, this woman is at a 10 towards me for something that she was not guaranteed to experience for me. 13:49.622 --> 13:51.483 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, I didn't have to stop. 13:51.544 --> 13:52.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I didn't have to stop for you. 13:52.644 --> 13:53.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, mm-hmm. 13:53.745 --> 13:55.246 [SPEAKER_01]: like this is not a regular ride away. 13:55.486 --> 13:56.547 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you got it right away. 13:56.968 --> 14:02.211 [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't even know that the car to my right was stopping to do that because it's to my right. 14:02.652 --> 14:06.154 [SPEAKER_01]: So that just was just the moment of just reckoning with it. 14:06.214 --> 14:07.916 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we couldn't hear each other. 14:07.936 --> 14:08.796 [SPEAKER_01]: I can just read a list. 14:09.277 --> 14:15.581 [SPEAKER_01]: And I did, you know, because because I am a mess, I just kind of looked at her and I was like, me, are you talking to me? 14:18.114 --> 14:20.478 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I said, let me stop making her more upset. 14:20.498 --> 14:23.422 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, me, I was like, whatever, do you mean? 14:23.822 --> 14:26.647 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, so I can't go go with my dad so much. 14:27.047 --> 14:32.796 [SPEAKER_01]: But that just speaks to, I think, the just extreme unwellness and 14:33.877 --> 14:57.580 [SPEAKER_01]: quick hyper irritation with other people and yeah and just I'm just like we got to take a beat we got to try it on man just kind of breathe a little bit you know don't and again like the what we say to people and how we deal with people you know we are believers and we are held to God's word around forgiveness that is true 14:58.461 --> 14:59.804 [SPEAKER_01]: like we are called to forgive people. 14:59.824 --> 15:02.129 [SPEAKER_01]: It just it just is what it is in our faith. 15:02.670 --> 15:09.404 [SPEAKER_01]: But I often think about the way that we treat people as if it is guaranteed the day you're going to bounce back or they're going to let that go. 15:10.017 --> 15:10.617 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh. 15:10.637 --> 15:11.738 [SPEAKER_02]: Something that ain't going bloody. 15:11.758 --> 15:11.918 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 15:11.938 --> 15:16.621 [SPEAKER_01]: We treat people on a way as if it's assumed it's not a big deal to them or they're just going to let that slide. 15:16.641 --> 15:18.222 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, that ain't how to bring work. 15:18.842 --> 15:20.103 [SPEAKER_01]: And that ain't how humans work. 15:20.183 --> 15:21.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that goes in a holder. 15:21.764 --> 15:22.545 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that right there. 15:22.725 --> 15:25.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Just went into a folder of good and that right. 15:25.607 --> 15:38.234 [SPEAKER_01]: And so anyway, I feel like that is, I feel like people are not reckoning with that reality in the way they should, you know, that what you say to people, what you do to people, 15:39.772 --> 15:41.355 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's gonna stick. 15:41.916 --> 15:43.037 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's gonna stick. 15:44.019 --> 15:49.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think also, yeah, there's the impulsiveness 15:50.933 --> 15:56.777 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just this, I know when you, when you miss a term, I got to get a, I mean, who hasn't been there? 15:56.978 --> 15:58.219 [SPEAKER_02]: We've all been there. 15:58.359 --> 16:02.722 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to cut over and cut out, like, you know, but just, you have to do that with me. 16:02.762 --> 16:04.363 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to continue to kill it. 16:04.383 --> 16:05.004 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, another side. 16:05.024 --> 16:06.325 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to include the blackhead. 16:06.345 --> 16:06.925 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to. 16:07.105 --> 16:08.346 [SPEAKER_01]: They should correct. 16:08.426 --> 16:09.067 [SPEAKER_01]: It correct. 16:09.087 --> 16:11.609 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to include all the folks that you asked for. 16:11.649 --> 16:12.089 [SPEAKER_01]: Favorite. 16:12.309 --> 16:13.170 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 16:13.450 --> 16:14.771 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't, they she had to ask me. 16:15.131 --> 16:15.732 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to do that. 16:17.582 --> 16:24.847 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, all the cars, I mean, yeah, I got to watch this so you can see all the, because it's a non-verbal Vroom communication with the drivers. 16:24.867 --> 16:26.728 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got it rarely ever in a rush. 16:26.848 --> 16:30.631 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good to be like, come on, scoot over, but you would have had a big ad context system. 16:31.131 --> 16:31.451 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 16:31.612 --> 16:40.978 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, these are just cars driving etiquette, you know, and so yeah, but you know, you do think that there is also in addition to just this 16:42.469 --> 16:51.958 [SPEAKER_02]: in excellence, you know, that we're seeing on mediocrity abounds, you know, that you're seeing on people on the job, not only jobs, just barely making it, just being. 16:51.978 --> 17:07.333 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people are really tired, you know, there's no doubt about that, but I also would also say that there is just, there is a breakdown, I think, socially, you know, which, I think, 17:09.055 --> 17:28.790 [SPEAKER_02]: I think predates COVID it started, that in hell, it accelerated it, but I think it started with the wicked man in the White House and then also in COVID being so isolated, that also did not help. 17:29.190 --> 17:32.853 [SPEAKER_02]: But also in addition to that, I think that there is a real um, 17:34.314 --> 17:38.539 [SPEAKER_02]: very real, um, demonic activity happening. 17:38.599 --> 17:44.625 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a bit of a, it's not a tangent, it's a, it's a, you think there's spiritual warfare happening. 17:44.645 --> 17:45.066 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:45.086 --> 17:45.466 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:45.506 --> 17:54.395 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not just, you know, I think a lot of people are misassigning mental health, you know, um, events. 17:55.236 --> 17:58.278 [SPEAKER_02]: and issues, you know, and those are valid, those are real. 17:59.799 --> 18:13.687 [SPEAKER_02]: We have never have a denied that at truth table, but I also think that we got a, we also have to name the demonic when we see the demonic, you know, people killing kids, partners killing partners, spouses killing spouses. 18:16.033 --> 18:19.075 [SPEAKER_02]: It is appalling, it is disgusting. 18:20.156 --> 18:42.073 [SPEAKER_02]: The legislation or the proliferation of human trafficking, child sex trafficking, the cover-up of child sex trafficking, the cover-up of cannibalism, the cover-up of worship, of idols, idol worship, the cover-up of all of these things. 18:42.453 --> 18:45.174 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, I just, it is thickening. 18:45.474 --> 19:01.159 [SPEAKER_02]: The, the, how can I say the, um, the allowance or permission for allowing AI to create AI generated, um, um, child pornography. 19:01.399 --> 19:02.399 [SPEAKER_02]: It is wicked. 19:03.279 --> 19:03.479 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:09.616 --> 19:17.701 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just wicked, but I just the inability to say that in just a short-footed way isn't also a part of the problem. 19:17.721 --> 19:25.726 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's like a work, there's like a workplace for tea, for tea, there's an expectation for tea, there's there's poor emotional regulation, which is I think we had already described. 19:25.766 --> 19:32.410 [SPEAKER_01]: There's different generational and cultural expectations of each other and very low patience for each other. 19:32.510 --> 19:33.310 [SPEAKER_01]: That's very real. 19:33.591 --> 19:34.951 [SPEAKER_01]: But then there's just other part 19:37.573 --> 19:44.359 [SPEAKER_01]: the playing in God's face, acting like basic morality is not basic. 19:44.580 --> 19:46.001 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not basic. 19:46.021 --> 19:55.169 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about like God's standard, but there's like there's social, there's certain moral norm activities that have to be in place. 19:55.870 --> 19:58.130 [SPEAKER_01]: for us to just function as a society. 19:58.871 --> 20:12.453 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you open the door to anything goes because you think you might get a tax break, when you open the door to anyone who goes, just because like, well, I'll do me, you do me, and we don't have to talk about it, but you wanna talk about other things that you think people shouldn't should not do. 20:12.993 --> 20:22.575 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is why we find ourselves in this, and what I would call crazy town, we're in crazy town right now, where it should be us, we're collectively, I don't care what your political, 20:23.375 --> 20:26.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Stuff is where you know, what's what's your check? 20:26.538 --> 20:27.339 [SPEAKER_01]: What box you check? 20:27.719 --> 20:32.303 [SPEAKER_01]: There should be some shared social morality Okay, I'm sure you should agree. 20:32.323 --> 20:48.038 [SPEAKER_01]: There's safety of children about I don't the safety of human beings clean water clean Let's Let's we should be in agreement and I think and I don't know how that's been how powerful the propaganda is yes nation is 20:48.973 --> 21:00.017 [SPEAKER_01]: the way we've been shaped by social media and to your point, the spiritual forces behind it, because they're not shaping us to be more kind, to be more transparent. 21:00.497 --> 21:10.480 [SPEAKER_01]: The shaping isn't a particular generation, to be a direction, to be particularly cold, to be callous, to ignore, to let stuff slide. 21:10.580 --> 21:16.182 [SPEAKER_01]: And the things that you just named, I mean, when I tell you, we should be in the streets, 21:17.082 --> 21:17.382 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:18.343 --> 21:19.223 [SPEAKER_01]: We should be in the street. 21:19.243 --> 21:20.964 [SPEAKER_02]: This is part of the underperformance. 21:21.624 --> 21:21.924 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:22.004 --> 21:24.045 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like we don't necessarily know that. 21:24.125 --> 21:26.286 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying we because I believe it's a share. 21:26.866 --> 21:29.748 [SPEAKER_01]: We collect the order that has had a social contractor. 21:29.768 --> 21:29.848 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 21:30.048 --> 21:34.110 [SPEAKER_01]: So we the we of us we are missing. 21:35.130 --> 21:36.651 [SPEAKER_01]: We're missing our moment to shout. 21:37.693 --> 21:42.394 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you think when the preacher is preaching good and they're like, you miss your mom with this job. 21:42.674 --> 21:43.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we miss our moments. 21:43.855 --> 21:44.815 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know when to shout. 21:45.255 --> 21:46.515 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know when to shout. 21:46.535 --> 21:48.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I brought three A-Mans for myself. 21:48.516 --> 21:54.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we really have missed certain moments because people are tired, exhausted, overwhelmed. 21:55.118 --> 21:57.258 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is a part of it's one of the, well, that's the plan. 21:57.278 --> 21:58.539 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, part of it, right? 21:59.099 --> 22:02.640 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the main components of spiritual warfare is exhaustion. 22:04.421 --> 22:12.988 [SPEAKER_01]: This orientation, confusion, and when you see that chronic disorientation, confusion, exhaustion, the fog, then you have to sit back as believers. 22:13.028 --> 22:14.329 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, other folks, you do what you do. 22:14.689 --> 22:19.353 [SPEAKER_01]: But as believers, that's what you need to sit back and go, oh, okay, Lord help me to discern. 22:20.434 --> 22:21.415 [SPEAKER_01]: What's what's happening here. 22:21.875 --> 22:23.917 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what to do, right? 22:24.097 --> 22:25.238 [SPEAKER_02]: My decisions is the car. 22:25.578 --> 22:29.761 [SPEAKER_02]: Show me the times we are in and what we are to do it. 22:29.861 --> 22:31.242 [SPEAKER_02]: What's amity is right now. 22:31.403 --> 22:31.583 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:31.783 --> 22:33.704 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do you know what time it is? 22:33.784 --> 22:37.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me, do you know what time it is? 22:39.008 --> 22:40.870 [SPEAKER_02]: No, only a few of you will get that. 22:43.643 --> 22:56.685 [SPEAKER_02]: And we gonna take a quick course of break and we come back and we'll be right here talking about under performance in 2020 or I'm gonna do the best I can, we would our gut, what I got or mediocre you're down to. 22:56.745 --> 22:59.166 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't think you can pick a pick a pick you choice. 23:00.306 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--> 23:55.735 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna do the best I can, what I got, okay? 23:56.295 --> 23:57.956 [SPEAKER_02]: Or you pick the top, okay? 23:58.216 --> 23:59.976 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought as we said, pick your adventure. 24:00.156 --> 24:01.197 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're not playing. 24:01.517 --> 24:14.762 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yes, no, I, when you talk about how we should be out in the streets, I'm like, we are underreacting, you know, to the things, you know, I just think that at some point, 24:16.073 --> 24:24.500 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that, it's so crazy because social media is a, it is a gift and a curse in some ways, because it is the way that we stay informed. 24:24.680 --> 24:32.266 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like media legacy is unfortunately bought now, so that you cannot, there are days behind. 24:32.586 --> 24:33.687 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not a home, another thing. 24:33.707 --> 24:37.770 [SPEAKER_02]: It always has been, yeah, but not the list of greed, not the extent, right? 24:38.230 --> 24:42.754 [SPEAKER_02]: And their days behind on reporting, then they're not reporting. 24:43.554 --> 24:46.415 [SPEAKER_02]: accurately, what's happening, right? 24:46.875 --> 25:07.400 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so you, for better or worse, at least for me, let me promise I, I get my information from independent reporters, I do this in democracy now, you know, that's a staple, you know, but independent report, even some historians that document things, that for me, those are my go-to's right now. 25:07.480 --> 25:11.341 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I find that I even can't escape, you know, 25:14.023 --> 25:18.309 [SPEAKER_02]: the cacophony of noise, you know, that comes from social media, right? 25:18.329 --> 25:20.732 [SPEAKER_02]: So it can keep us stuck. 25:20.812 --> 25:25.499 [SPEAKER_02]: In some ways it can mobilize us, but I think in some ways it's keeping us in a loop of just, 25:27.932 --> 25:28.713 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know. 25:28.733 --> 25:31.173 [SPEAKER_02]: I've just do doomsgrowing. 25:31.193 --> 25:34.954 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess doomsgrowing or just Yeah, I think overwhelmed. 25:34.974 --> 25:45.577 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're just under performance, you know, and I do feel that we are under reacting to all of the things, you know, and I think people are from outside of the U.S. or wondering, what the heck is going on in the U.S. 25:45.637 --> 25:47.018 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to see 25:48.038 --> 25:58.423 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, all out in the streets, you know, but part of it is their strategy and regime is to flood the zone, right? 25:58.443 --> 26:03.185 [SPEAKER_02]: This chaos theory, flood flood, flood, so they're flooding is highly effective, highly effective. 26:03.325 --> 26:03.685 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fact. 26:04.305 --> 26:07.706 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, people worry about their trying to make rent. 26:07.946 --> 26:13.567 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, a lot of people are with out jobs, you know, under-employed or un-employed. 26:13.607 --> 26:16.488 [SPEAKER_02]: So many people get time to just be wild for years. 26:16.528 --> 26:18.368 [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, exactly. 26:18.528 --> 26:25.030 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so as many people as particularly black folks are particularly hit by that. 26:25.230 --> 26:29.573 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, um, and part of it is that we're also like, well, you know, there's still some of that. 26:29.593 --> 26:31.394 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this ain't my job to do right. 26:31.414 --> 26:32.755 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but I was like, well, we all got it. 26:32.915 --> 26:39.419 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but what you're talking about on Tuesday, but we, hello, we are, we are going to live together all that together. 26:39.439 --> 26:40.820 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, it's just, you know, it's just, you know, 26:41.160 --> 26:42.021 [SPEAKER_02]: we got to do something. 26:42.541 --> 26:46.403 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I don't know, that is also part of the underperforming performance. 26:46.523 --> 26:49.885 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's people not knowing what to do overwhelmed. 26:49.905 --> 26:50.706 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 26:50.726 --> 26:53.328 [SPEAKER_02]: I want what to do, like what's the plan? 26:53.368 --> 26:55.309 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're waiting for somebody to tell us what to do. 26:55.829 --> 26:59.892 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, although we don't listen to each other, so I don't know if that fits. 27:00.172 --> 27:00.992 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 27:01.413 --> 27:01.913 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot. 27:02.133 --> 27:04.715 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think everything I said makes sense, but it's still like, 27:07.193 --> 27:11.935 [SPEAKER_02]: It does, that's part of the underperformance, right? 27:11.956 --> 27:15.878 [SPEAKER_02]: It just feels like, like, just wickedness is just abounding and winning. 27:15.978 --> 27:18.019 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're just like, oh my gosh, when will this turn? 27:18.179 --> 27:20.720 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, but I won't turn unless we turn it. 27:21.981 --> 27:22.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:22.922 --> 27:24.603 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to just happen organically. 27:25.163 --> 27:32.847 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, with the Lord uses different people situations in there, environmental matters. 27:34.735 --> 27:39.860 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I have a, I mean, I do think and I don't think I'm just being it, and it's not optimism. 27:39.880 --> 27:40.601 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think of myself. 27:40.621 --> 27:42.143 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a pessimistic person at all. 27:42.223 --> 27:47.248 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I would just be very mentally unwell if I was pessimistic, but I'm not a natural optimist. 27:47.288 --> 27:49.130 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very much a real realistic. 27:49.150 --> 27:49.650 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 27:49.810 --> 27:51.873 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that, um, 27:53.213 --> 27:55.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there is going to be a shift. 27:55.534 --> 27:57.355 [SPEAKER_01]: Just because I think that's just inevitable. 27:57.635 --> 27:58.415 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. 27:59.055 --> 28:01.596 [SPEAKER_01]: The social shifts are just an inevitable thing. 28:01.656 --> 28:04.117 [SPEAKER_01]: And we have all kinds of conditions that are working together. 28:04.137 --> 28:06.678 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we can probably look back at just other historical moments. 28:06.698 --> 28:10.120 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at kind of what creates the perfect storm around those things. 28:10.160 --> 28:13.021 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think we're, I think we do for something. 28:13.181 --> 28:14.381 [SPEAKER_01]: Cameron, I'm fairly soon. 28:16.102 --> 28:23.564 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know what that's gonna look like, but I do, that's my hunch on that, but I think in the meantime, to your point, I think people are wore down. 28:24.104 --> 28:29.586 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, so our environment does have a real impact on shaping who we are. 28:29.746 --> 28:35.908 [SPEAKER_01]: And we are becoming people who are being shaped by the environment that we have been in for several years. 28:36.228 --> 28:36.488 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:37.827 --> 28:45.710 [SPEAKER_01]: No matter how hard we try, no matter how much we feel like I'm an individual and I do what I want to do and I'm me and I'm me We are shaped by the environment. 28:45.850 --> 28:46.831 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh sure, right? 28:46.891 --> 29:02.577 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I just think that that is and and if you're not aware of it Then it's just it's just seeping into you the way that you are related to others and relating to yourself and Your expectations and just all that stuff is being sure the world around us 29:03.537 --> 29:10.187 [SPEAKER_01]: It's showing up in, yeah, showing up in people's relationships and showing up in their work life or their lack of work life. 29:10.827 --> 29:19.279 [SPEAKER_01]: It's showing up, so we have employment, but we also, I think fundamentally have a difference in the way we even think about employment or we think about like our work. 29:19.940 --> 29:26.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Or like the kind of work where we will do, or won't do, or I just, I think that that is been interesting. 29:26.562 --> 29:33.924 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I was, I preach recently in first Thessalonians four, and there's a portion where Paul talks about Paul basically says the black translation. 29:34.004 --> 29:38.266 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's literal translation, but it's like mind your business and work with your hands. 29:38.446 --> 29:38.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:38.966 --> 29:41.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't think you better than other people is what I'm probably added to it. 29:42.467 --> 29:45.528 [SPEAKER_01]: But, but I think there is a sense in which 29:46.308 --> 29:52.110 [SPEAKER_01]: we are going to have to, or we are leaning into not just like what I'm qualified for. 29:52.350 --> 30:02.513 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I try, you know, me, I try to play the game by what I'm qualified for, because I think I'm, you know, I have a good handle on what I think I'm qualified for, but I don't even think of working that way. 30:02.593 --> 30:03.554 [SPEAKER_01]: I think of work as like, 30:04.834 --> 30:09.795 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about what do I need to get done to get the way I'm trying to go, like what I'm trying to do, what I got to take care of. 30:10.336 --> 30:17.758 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that our conditions that we're in are just so that the workplace is just toxic in that sense. 30:17.798 --> 30:28.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we have people who different generations are different views about work, like what what each person is supposed to give or what's expected of them, you have some generations that just have no boundaries at all. 30:28.621 --> 30:29.341 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have others 30:34.002 --> 30:37.687 [SPEAKER_01]: or, you know, like, did you do what you was asked to do? 30:38.248 --> 30:45.498 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I mean, I just think that that is, I think that's that's the part of the conflict that's happening in the workplace, not to mention to your point. 30:46.300 --> 30:51.201 [SPEAKER_01]: that we really have an economic problem and we have a lack of an opportunity. 30:51.361 --> 30:58.563 [SPEAKER_01]: And for Black folks, it is absolutely last higher first fired. 30:58.763 --> 31:07.266 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a long standing step because there's real roots and it, or we have Black folks and Black women who come in as the cleanup people. 31:07.286 --> 31:10.547 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I talked about this for years, but this is part of social science. 31:12.387 --> 31:20.377 [SPEAKER_01]: vocational research that, you know, when, by the time we have a black woman who comes into a position of leadership, that they are more than wow. 31:21.118 --> 31:22.760 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it too. 31:23.481 --> 31:25.043 [SPEAKER_01]: They are asked to clean up. 31:25.143 --> 31:27.345 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a flashback to the domestic generation. 31:27.365 --> 31:28.907 [SPEAKER_01]: They're clean up some junk. 31:29.948 --> 31:36.750 [SPEAKER_01]: And when they don't respond with perfection or a standard, then no one else has to meet, then we criticize that. 31:37.550 --> 31:41.731 [SPEAKER_01]: And by that, I was just mean like the white patriarchal supremacist culture criticize them. 31:41.791 --> 31:44.532 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in group criticize them. 31:45.132 --> 31:49.954 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just think that, I mean, I think that's just unhealthy, but it's a long-standing pattern. 31:50.014 --> 31:57.776 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think what we're going to probably experience is we're going to, when this does shift, we are going to have a season of cleaning up. 31:59.147 --> 32:00.967 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a long clean up process. 32:01.588 --> 32:03.108 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be a long clean up process. 32:03.288 --> 32:03.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 32:03.648 --> 32:05.208 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if we're well enough. 32:05.709 --> 32:07.369 [SPEAKER_02]: So in that pendulum of things, I know. 32:07.709 --> 32:08.009 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 32:08.349 --> 32:09.269 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a lot. 32:09.329 --> 32:20.652 [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I was thinking about, you know, I guess two point really, you know, the empire falling, you know, which I'm not opposed to the empire falling. 32:23.975 --> 32:27.938 [SPEAKER_02]: But it surely cannot fall on the least in the loss of the left-out. 32:28.958 --> 32:30.639 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I fall on people. 32:31.120 --> 32:41.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like, even when you have to, you know, there's a particular way that a building has to be brought down. 32:42.226 --> 32:44.368 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they have to arrange explosives right. 32:44.388 --> 32:50.672 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a technique, there's a strategy, you know, to imploding a building so that it does not fall. 32:51.512 --> 33:07.387 [SPEAKER_02]: on neighboring buildings, so it does not fall on pedestrians walking by, they got all types of regulations and zoning law, all types of things, you know, that happened in order for an old building to be brought down, you know, and the way it is in private, it is collapsing. 33:07.607 --> 33:31.358 [SPEAKER_02]: you know on our immigrant neighbors it is collapsing on black and brown folks it is collapsing on children it is collapsing you know on the most vulnerable in our society and that to me is just so I'm sickening I think you know I've said this I think I said this actually in prayer you know it's like lower we know we know we in last days I was like but boy 33:31.998 --> 33:36.722 [SPEAKER_02]: And we know you don't have to say the things we're going to be about, it's really exhausting. 33:37.102 --> 33:46.369 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really exhausting to win this, even if we had an even, even though we have a sneak preview, in scripture, I'm like, it is really just exhausting to see the hearts of many wax code. 33:46.409 --> 33:47.450 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really exhausting. 33:47.870 --> 33:51.813 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, to see the hearts of the fathers not returning to the children in the way they are. 33:52.133 --> 33:53.334 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really exhausting. 33:53.695 --> 33:54.515 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know what I mean? 33:54.555 --> 33:56.797 [SPEAKER_02]: To see, just the, it's sad. 33:56.897 --> 33:57.758 [SPEAKER_02]: The disobedient. 33:57.798 --> 33:58.078 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 33:58.298 --> 33:58.818 [SPEAKER_01]: dramatic. 33:59.058 --> 34:07.823 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's lamentable and it's awful and it's yeah yeah the exhaustion I mean I think when you use exhaustion what I think about is so tired. 34:07.843 --> 34:08.723 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about grief. 34:09.203 --> 34:09.844 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's great. 34:09.864 --> 34:11.385 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's great. 34:11.465 --> 34:13.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I probably will call what you call exhaustion grief. 34:14.106 --> 34:21.550 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think yeah yeah I at the same time you know I think that's where having 34:22.810 --> 34:30.462 [SPEAKER_01]: And expand it global view of the world in the history of the church can help us, you know, to think through things. 34:30.522 --> 34:36.852 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, if I look back just 200 years in the same place where I'm sitting now in Tennessee. 34:38.227 --> 34:48.170 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I would say that those folks, black folks at their time, could have said what we are saying now, but like 10 times more for family, right? 34:48.351 --> 34:50.071 [SPEAKER_01]: And like when is this going to end? 34:50.691 --> 34:52.552 [SPEAKER_01]: When is this just this going to end? 34:52.632 --> 34:55.913 [SPEAKER_01]: When are my children going to stop being snatched away? 34:56.033 --> 35:03.096 [SPEAKER_01]: When will I be, well, you know, how long will I, my body and my mind and my identity be under attack, right? 35:03.136 --> 35:06.397 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that and yet you had people who. 35:07.157 --> 35:18.945 [SPEAKER_01]: held on and built towards promises that they felt like we're guaranteed, but also that they may not ever see, which is the facts, you know, that they did not see in that sense. 35:18.985 --> 35:19.665 [SPEAKER_01]: They get glimmers. 35:20.245 --> 35:23.948 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I think we are in that same tradition, but 35:24.468 --> 35:34.611 [SPEAKER_01]: But with, I would say, better conditions, you know, I would say we have better conditions than those answers from 200 years ago for sure. 35:34.951 --> 35:38.172 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also look at like the state of Christianity globally. 35:38.192 --> 35:41.613 [SPEAKER_01]: I think about places where it's post-Christian. 35:43.675 --> 35:51.459 [SPEAKER_01]: especially like you look at like some of the kind of Western European places and then I compare that to the places that are having real revival. 35:52.900 --> 36:00.104 [SPEAKER_01]: That is giving me a sense of a sense of hope and fulfillment that the promise will come to pass, right? 36:00.124 --> 36:02.245 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think some of what we're dealing with is 36:03.325 --> 36:08.090 [SPEAKER_01]: the outworkings of the wickedness of, you know, white supremacy and western supremacy. 36:08.110 --> 36:19.201 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, the residue of Greek of Greco Roman supremacy, like we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we 36:19.521 --> 36:34.957 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and so to your point about the house coming down, you know, I am a person who I am still institutional, like I'm not, you know, sometimes, you know, like younger millennials or whatever, you know, and younger have a different relationship with institutions typically I'm still pro institutions while I'm still pro. 36:35.317 --> 36:54.016 [SPEAKER_01]: pro marriage is why I'm still pro higher emanation like I like there's a benefit to an institution I just think we need a lot of institutional accountability that's the hard part and so I think you're you're metaphor of like the house coming down, but we're not having it come down in a way That is mindful of who lives on that street. 36:54.496 --> 36:54.657 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah 36:55.177 --> 36:58.918 [SPEAKER_01]: who's underneath that house, and who's still in the house. 36:59.278 --> 37:00.859 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 37:00.999 --> 37:04.660 [SPEAKER_01]: And it, and are there parts of it that need to be rebuilt up. 37:05.180 --> 37:09.501 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I just, yeah, I just think that we're in a tough place. 37:09.581 --> 37:12.922 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're able to do our best thinking right now. 37:14.409 --> 37:35.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because I think there is there are conditions for creativity and for building that I think our people are getting more and more exhausted and I mean that you and I have it had been in space is where the person who had the job title that was supposed to be strategized for this or that we we said back and was like, you ain't got no strategy. 37:37.612 --> 37:46.961 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know this, but it's really disturbing, really disorienting, too, because we depending on you, because you got the title, you have the title, you have that's what he's so, you know? 37:47.402 --> 37:51.346 [SPEAKER_02]: So you said, hey, that's what your bio said, but you ain't got no strategy? 37:51.446 --> 37:52.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 37:52.547 --> 37:54.209 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just so without fashions. 37:54.469 --> 37:55.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you're saying? 37:55.470 --> 37:56.991 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just so without fashions. 37:57.011 --> 37:59.173 [SPEAKER_01]: You got no bottles, but see, this is where. 38:00.895 --> 38:05.547 [SPEAKER_01]: it would be all in my mind it would be like this is just you know throw it away put in the trash can. 38:05.948 --> 38:09.237 [SPEAKER_01]: I just have a deep sense that the Lord has not left us. 38:11.105 --> 38:11.666 [SPEAKER_01]: for sure. 38:12.366 --> 38:15.047 [SPEAKER_01]: And is with us in this, in learning some lessons. 38:15.087 --> 38:20.729 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the same people, the same experience that makes some people go, well, whatever. 38:20.749 --> 38:21.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me try something different. 38:22.029 --> 38:23.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm done with it. 38:23.830 --> 38:26.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Make someone else go on Christ's Sally Rock, I stand. 38:26.891 --> 38:28.232 [SPEAKER_01]: All the ground is sinking sand. 38:28.272 --> 38:31.973 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that I know that I know that I know that I know all of the ground is sinking sand. 38:32.013 --> 38:37.235 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, and I just watch over the last decade, he like, who, even amongst in our spaces of work, 38:38.588 --> 38:49.136 [SPEAKER_01]: who leaned into holding on to the hand that holds us and where people were like, ah, I'm just done. 38:49.616 --> 38:52.538 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm done with the things that God because it ain't working out the way I wanted to work out. 38:52.879 --> 38:55.201 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I don't know anybody that's better for that. 38:55.741 --> 38:57.082 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean on a practical level. 38:57.803 --> 38:59.084 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anybody that's better for that. 38:59.764 --> 39:02.947 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and I think, you know, to a point of a not, 39:03.941 --> 39:06.663 [SPEAKER_02]: not having to come as you're not in a place to do our best thinking. 39:06.803 --> 39:10.005 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that we're going to traumatize brains, as you would say. 39:10.686 --> 39:16.009 [SPEAKER_02]: But also, yeah, we just, I think my, yeah, I'm to your point about, you know, looking back at history. 39:16.029 --> 39:20.112 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think our conditions are better, but our emotional resolve. 39:21.252 --> 39:23.193 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, mental, it's not. 39:23.513 --> 39:34.398 [SPEAKER_02]: And we don't have the, it doesn't seem that the people have, you know, the spiritual fortitude, person appearance and the things that we need, you know. 39:34.678 --> 39:36.779 [SPEAKER_02]: And we cannot get that in isolation, you know. 39:37.159 --> 39:39.140 [SPEAKER_02]: You can be as mad as the church is, you wanna be. 39:39.700 --> 39:43.922 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, wherever you had to be, but you need people, you know what I mean? 39:44.703 --> 39:48.885 [SPEAKER_02]: And the church ain't perfect, because we in there, and we not perfect. 39:50.145 --> 39:53.886 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we need y'all in perfect self in the charge, too. 39:55.326 --> 40:00.548 [SPEAKER_02]: We can think together, we can grow together, we can get out of each iron sharpens iron, right? 40:00.588 --> 40:12.191 [SPEAKER_02]: We can reason together and do the work, you know, of organizing, you know, but also growing up. 40:12.891 --> 40:27.049 [SPEAKER_02]: If growing up, maturation, you know, in this spirit and that will pay dividends, you know, and there's an overflow that comes with that, that spiritual maturation that will show up in the workplace that will show up in the in and out drive through. 40:27.069 --> 40:27.910 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 40:28.270 --> 40:32.433 [SPEAKER_02]: that will show up, but you know what I mean, when we drive in our cars, right? 40:32.693 --> 40:40.199 [SPEAKER_02]: And not, and not forcing our way of trying to get through, you know, expecting somebody to get into jail and just jailing it. 40:40.479 --> 40:49.046 [SPEAKER_02]: And just jailing it, but you know, I just think that, I don't know, I just, I'm like, Laura, we help us, you know, you know, and I, yeah, I don't, I don't believe the Lord left us at all. 40:49.066 --> 40:50.767 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe that the Lord is, 40:52.008 --> 41:04.895 [SPEAKER_02]: It's bringing everything, you know, to God's design and intended ends, but I would be lying, and if I did not say that there are darker days ahead, before we see that light, it's gonna get darker. 41:05.295 --> 41:06.436 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, before I turn it. 41:06.576 --> 41:08.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure. 41:08.637 --> 41:09.918 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just think that, um, 41:11.158 --> 41:11.639 [SPEAKER_01]: what it is. 41:12.279 --> 41:12.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:13.020 --> 41:17.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and then just resist, and I think that's why it's important with an awareness of that. 41:17.204 --> 41:18.865 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what what will be. 41:20.367 --> 41:28.213 [SPEAKER_01]: But some renting our hearts and our minds and our bodies and our lives over to God to say, prepare me. 41:29.083 --> 41:31.965 [SPEAKER_01]: prepare me for this moment for this season. 41:32.226 --> 41:36.509 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think the Lord will equip us to what he is called. 41:39.171 --> 41:44.376 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is that I think that exhaustion is that anticipatory grief for me anyway. 41:44.656 --> 41:44.896 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 41:45.196 --> 41:49.160 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and also a sense of like, 41:50.436 --> 41:52.058 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but it didn't have to be this way. 41:52.198 --> 42:01.989 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a sorrow about the path of unrighteousness and knowing that it leads to ruins. 42:02.409 --> 42:03.851 [SPEAKER_02]: And to death, to stroke death. 42:04.051 --> 42:11.079 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, and also, I think I'm well aware that people would pick that path again and again. 42:11.955 --> 42:18.136 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, and again, and that brain sorrow, that brain's grief, you know what I mean? 42:18.176 --> 42:19.616 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, you're right. 42:19.636 --> 42:34.839 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it is, you know, I think it is grief, you know, I think it is, you know, the anger, what I say is a secondary emotions on a row of, you know, it's a secondary, you know, and it's just like, oh my god, like, how can I wake you up? 42:34.879 --> 42:37.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, something that I just like, well, you know, both sides. 42:37.160 --> 42:37.620 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like, 42:38.360 --> 42:41.521 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just wake awake awake awake. 42:41.581 --> 42:41.821 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:42.181 --> 42:43.041 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wake up sleep. 42:43.161 --> 42:44.421 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got for cycles. 42:44.461 --> 42:48.022 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Jesus is constantly using that metaphor, wake up. 42:48.622 --> 42:50.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:50.063 --> 42:51.263 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I need to school days. 42:51.703 --> 42:53.123 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is using the metaphor. 42:53.143 --> 42:57.324 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you know, I was, I mean, you know, I was not to, I was not to bring, I can't. 42:57.364 --> 42:58.445 [SPEAKER_01]: You saw what I was. 42:58.885 --> 43:00.025 [SPEAKER_01]: And you was good. 43:00.045 --> 43:00.265 [SPEAKER_01]: And you 43:01.165 --> 43:09.650 [SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, I mean, due to this constantly isn't a metaphor for a wink of, it's interesting because you would think that chaos, in noise would keep us awake. 43:10.545 --> 43:13.247 [SPEAKER_01]: but the ass and noise can exhaust you. 43:13.427 --> 43:14.468 [SPEAKER_01]: And would you sleep? 43:15.509 --> 43:18.752 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a difference between spiritual sleep and spiritual rest. 43:19.412 --> 43:24.576 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that we, we got these spiritual rest, but we got to wake up. 43:24.717 --> 43:26.578 [SPEAKER_01]: We have got to clock in. 43:27.279 --> 43:34.485 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's, in order for that to happen, there is going to need to be obviously repentance and honesty and 43:35.165 --> 43:36.127 [SPEAKER_01]: all of those things. 43:36.247 --> 43:38.470 [SPEAKER_01]: But to your point, we have to return to community. 43:38.730 --> 43:40.072 [SPEAKER_01]: And I get it. 43:40.513 --> 43:43.437 [SPEAKER_01]: When I tell you people talk about church, church, spiritual abuse, all of things. 43:43.938 --> 43:44.860 [SPEAKER_01]: And I be like, yeah, yeah. 43:45.470 --> 43:47.492 [SPEAKER_02]: I get it. 43:47.512 --> 43:48.493 [SPEAKER_02]: We've all had our share. 43:49.214 --> 43:49.735 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it. 43:49.755 --> 43:50.395 [SPEAKER_02]: I still got it. 43:50.495 --> 43:51.937 [SPEAKER_02]: My hat's my standard. 43:52.077 --> 43:53.138 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, try to heal from it. 43:53.238 --> 43:54.039 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we were all. 43:54.359 --> 43:55.280 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I get it. 43:55.320 --> 43:56.942 [SPEAKER_01]: I did it from leaders to the lay folk. 43:57.743 --> 43:58.223 [SPEAKER_01]: My God. 43:58.484 --> 43:59.144 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh. 43:59.184 --> 44:00.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes, yes. 44:00.085 --> 44:01.106 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, turn numbers. 44:01.147 --> 44:01.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 44:02.468 --> 44:06.772 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, but I think that that doesn't change the reality that we were made. 44:07.785 --> 44:09.286 [SPEAKER_01]: for community. 44:09.366 --> 44:14.129 [SPEAKER_01]: We were made to be a part of the believers. 44:14.150 --> 44:27.119 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been born again into a particular design and it is highly imperfect because we sinful, you know, I mean that's why it's imperfect but that is a part of our sanctification, that's a part of our growth and that's what's next for us. 44:27.159 --> 44:32.082 [SPEAKER_01]: So we are dealing with some wacky times that we can talk about the social political ones but the church itself, right? 44:32.102 --> 44:33.563 [SPEAKER_01]: We think about the church in America in 44:35.084 --> 44:40.609 [SPEAKER_01]: we might look and go like, dang, this ain't what, this is, this, this ain't doing what it need to be doing. 44:40.749 --> 44:46.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't you know, like this, these, like these sermons ain't know what these sermons need to be on. 44:46.234 --> 44:47.455 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right, Mr. Dick. 44:47.575 --> 44:55.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, these songs are so esoteric, but what about, can we look at the songs and be reminded of what God has people's thing about, you know, like, I think, I think all of that. 44:55.922 --> 44:58.425 [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, it's not lacking. 44:59.490 --> 45:00.790 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm, it's all hacking. 45:01.011 --> 45:09.153 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's just like, and I, yeah, I think that we will need, you know, I, I remember this old Erica, but who song was it? 45:09.333 --> 45:10.494 [SPEAKER_02]: Love will make it better. 45:10.894 --> 45:14.435 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, I just love, I bet you love can make it better. 45:14.795 --> 45:16.215 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just before she started doing this. 45:16.916 --> 45:18.096 [SPEAKER_02]: Her latest stuff, would you love? 45:18.136 --> 45:20.697 [SPEAKER_02]: I was calling you, sorry, calling yourself a witch, what's going on? 45:20.737 --> 45:21.797 [SPEAKER_02]: Sister, I'm just going home. 45:21.977 --> 45:24.298 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't perform, I didn't do that, I didn't have one thing. 45:24.638 --> 45:38.977 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to perform it, this is where I leave you, and I love you, and I love you, and I love you, and I love you, and I'll just say you're going too far for me, but I would recommend against which, which them in 2026, so that's not the way to throw it. 45:40.258 --> 45:42.800 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care, save your letters, save your letters. 45:42.920 --> 45:46.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously I'm alone in there because there are a lot of people who are like, you know what I'm gonna do? 45:46.283 --> 45:47.704 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm gonna do in these crazy times? 45:47.784 --> 45:49.766 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't become a witch, but that's the whole other conversation. 45:49.846 --> 45:52.808 [SPEAKER_01]: And save your letters, because you're not going to convince. 45:53.068 --> 45:54.169 [SPEAKER_02]: No, they're not. 45:54.189 --> 45:54.589 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not. 45:54.609 --> 45:55.050 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not. 45:55.070 --> 45:55.410 [SPEAKER_01]: About duty. 45:55.430 --> 45:56.291 [SPEAKER_02]: They're writing us letters. 45:56.451 --> 45:57.792 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're not leaving. 45:57.812 --> 45:58.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Save it. 45:58.512 --> 45:59.173 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to eat. 45:59.193 --> 46:03.256 [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate me so consistent that they're like, we know where they go save me. 46:04.757 --> 46:22.939 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you know, but I do I think that we you know, we got we we got a we have to stand by what we kind of love one of them So we also got to be the change we want to see right and so so that means that we have to be a loving people like we have to be show ourselves friendly to be to be friend folk 46:23.980 --> 46:25.640 [SPEAKER_02]: you have to be good friends to people. 46:26.041 --> 46:26.881 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 46:27.041 --> 46:38.183 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to be open, kind, loving, patient with others so that we might be in partnership in relationship with other people, romantically, putonically, community. 46:38.543 --> 46:39.503 [SPEAKER_01]: We need all of it. 46:39.743 --> 46:42.484 [SPEAKER_01]: We really do need all of these different orally. 46:42.504 --> 46:43.304 [SPEAKER_01]: This is wise. 46:43.364 --> 46:44.464 [SPEAKER_01]: You name it. 46:44.524 --> 46:45.584 [SPEAKER_01]: Strategy wise. 46:45.864 --> 46:46.864 [SPEAKER_01]: Activism wise. 46:46.984 --> 46:47.645 [SPEAKER_01]: You need it. 46:47.985 --> 46:49.305 [SPEAKER_02]: You need the fruits of the spirit. 46:49.785 --> 46:59.633 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, hello, you need the fruits of the spirit, what do you, you know what I mean, you need the soft skills, you need fruits of the spirit, right the soft skills are the fruit of the spirit. 46:59.793 --> 47:10.062 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, humility, kindness, gentleness, come on, self control, come on, self free, we don't like that part, I don't go like that, there's not my favorite one, we need it, we need it. 47:11.503 --> 47:13.024 [SPEAKER_02]: We need that. 47:13.064 --> 47:15.625 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how lost we're going to how else we're going to get over. 47:15.705 --> 47:16.906 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not I don't know. 47:16.926 --> 47:18.787 [SPEAKER_02]: We we're not going to get a part over. 47:18.807 --> 47:26.971 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to give us the way that we are to be and as we move to what God defines as success for us, which is always faithfulness. 47:27.011 --> 47:30.773 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not necessarily the outcome that we think it's going to be. 47:30.813 --> 47:33.995 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the definition of what that is. 47:34.175 --> 47:36.476 [SPEAKER_01]: That right there is revolutionary in it of itself. 47:40.018 --> 47:40.158 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 47:40.178 --> 47:40.959 [SPEAKER_02]: What is fake on the floor? 47:40.979 --> 47:41.639 [SPEAKER_01]: What is fake on the floor? 47:41.659 --> 47:42.299 [SPEAKER_02]: What is fake on the floor? 47:42.319 --> 47:42.980 [SPEAKER_02]: What is fake on the floor? 47:43.000 --> 47:43.560 [SPEAKER_02]: What is fake on the floor? 47:43.720 --> 47:44.561 [SPEAKER_01]: What is fake on the floor? 47:44.601 --> 47:45.201 [SPEAKER_01]: What is fake on the floor? 47:45.221 --> 47:45.821 [SPEAKER_01]: What is fake on the floor? 47:45.841 --> 47:46.462 [SPEAKER_01]: What is fake on the floor? 47:46.482 --> 47:47.042 [SPEAKER_01]: What is fake on the floor? 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