[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a gay up name for a gay up podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Elliott Glazer is back on that's a gay as podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know you've done this podcast before, Elliott Glazer?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do for in its early days.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's early days and it's many years later and you're promoting a gorgeous book called the terrible horrible no good very bad gay Ellie Glazer we are Judy's off mic so I can't wait to yes talk about the book but also tell you about some gossip going on in my life number one though I sort of want to confront you the book comes out on August 11th Tuesday the 11th is the same day I get my tonsils out was that on purpose?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God, wait, so you can't come to the site, oh, you can't do the reading and signing, or you can, you just won't speak.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, is it on the 11th itself?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'll be able to get out of Cedar Sinai and in two, is it a barn?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a barn to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a barn to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a barn to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a barn to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Ellie Glaser, how can I tell you why my day is going well today?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because a guy that I have followed on Twitter for years, slid into my DMs to say he's a fan of my work.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the good part is then he said, how's your day going?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which you know is a flirt on tray.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an entrance.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are, we are nothing if not in the underfalls and for us as, I mean, I say this all the time, it's like gay guys in particular, it's like we're like big, big boy baby boy, like big baby boys, you know, and baby boy, it's, that's a big compassion song, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: we are like just big boys and I think for you know as much as we have accomplished and as much as you know we have been able to you know push progress like at lightning speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think among ourselves it's still so hard to just exist and like make
[SPEAKER_00]: It just relates like friendships, relationships, sex relationships, like it's also hard that like, yes, if somebody asks you how your day is and they're hot and they're on Twitter, it's like, that feels good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That feels good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we've got big boy baby boy brains and eyes it is true, but it's also like I feel like us gay guys are always trying to say she ate our boy brains in different ways sometimes in really healthy ways sometimes in unhealthy ways like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I now am starting to really enjoy bragging about the fact that I've not been on the apps now for like three months and my boy brain I do think that part of it is healing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sort of fucking up in other ways, but like I don't know, it makes like how's your day going in the DMs feel so much more exciting because I'm not constantly searching for D on an app that makes me mostly feel bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the thing too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even just like your searching for deed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it really is a strangely, it's a why it's the wild west in that there are no rules of etiquette established on these apps.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other, you know, maybe like don't be racist, but like rather than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even that is kind of heavy handed at this point, you know, but even with that being said, it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: they're just kind of a playgrounds for body, focused, super focused attention and rejection.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't even necessarily have to mean that it manifests in a mean, unkind way, but that is what we are choosing to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just as guilty of it as the next guy, but it's like, wow, we really put ourselves through this stuff because we're big baby boys,
[SPEAKER_00]: get, you know, get off, and it's hard to quail that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is hard to quail our big baby boy brains trying to get buff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I do think this is all proving that the internet was a mistake, but at least the internet gave us a chance to hop on this remote recording for that's a gay ass podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you did do the podcast again a few years ago where we asked whose fault is it that your gay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to ask you the follow-up question before we get into the book, before we get into some horny tales that you've been telling, I might ask some theatrical questions, maybe even about some thirst traps you've been posting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course on the subject side, we will talk about
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, some sex parties you've been talking about, uh, a house arrest affair, uh, a massage that I had yesterday will be talking about, uh, but Elliott Glazer, let's get into the follow-up gay ass podcast question for who was your first gay, Elliott Glazer spill.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and thinking about the answer to this question, you know, at first I was going to say Nathan Lane, in the sense that I, as a, you know, young theater kid was a step, you know, getting into it like,
[SPEAKER_00]: getting into it at theater camp and like starting to poke around what theater was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for me at a very, at that young age, which was probably 9 or 10, I was listening to a lot of guys and dolls, the reboot, the reboot, the reboot, what is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Repreeze or
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I've obviously lost my theater kid brain, but yeah, so it was a lot of guys and dolls with Nathan Lane and Faith Prince and it wasn't necessarily that I knew he was gay gay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just, there was a hint of something there.
[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of like gay face, the first, the first person I remember very clearly was Jim J. Bullick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sameor.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was on a sitcom, maybe one day at a time or something, which I think I might have been too young to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he hosted a daytime talk show with Tammy Faye Baker.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, and that sounds like a fever dream, especially for way back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: But however I came into contact with Jim J. Bullock, maybe Hollywood Squares or something, I just had that sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've just had that sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Oh, whatever that is, it's in his face.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm actually thrilled you're bringing up Jim J. Bullock because I'm ashamed to say I don't know his lore, but gosh, this Wikipedia page is teeming with the stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he was on Hollywood squares.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he did a show with Tammy Fay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but also, I think most importantly, he was the guest host of a special episode of super sloppy double-dayer in which Mark Summers and announcer Harvey played against each other, and I guess Bullock was the host of that special edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, he was born in Wyoming,
[SPEAKER_00]: drop in the comment in the chat let us know you're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then there's an HIV story did I just see that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 1985, he learned that he was HIV positive.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came out with his diagnosis 11 years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, he's a long time survivor of the virus.
[SPEAKER_01]: and as a 2024 with still healthy due to in part and Thai retro viral drugs shout out to Morrison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Nelson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big final thing I'm learning about the Wikipedia.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was arrested outside of a bar in West Hollywood for possession of Crystal Math in 1999.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I mean, listen, who among us has, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, so that's your first like gay face is what you were saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I would say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very handsome face, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to James J. Bullock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, I love this Lawrence for so many reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim J. Bullock, you're teaching me new her story, but also Nathan Lane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm really
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnet is a magnet towards theater as a general rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: I obviously love Nathan Lane for so many films before the producers on Broadway but when the producers hit my dad is a huge Mel Brooks person and I to felt this weird unspoken secret Nathan Lane even watching him and not knowing that an out gay man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's, yeah, it's just funny to remember him in that sort of asexual way where I had a hink and ink.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think I knew I was gay, but there was just an inkling of some camaraderie there, some, you know, unspoken shared connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you did drop an Easter egg that needs to be gauge and allies, which is a theater camp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ellie Glades, or what I know the theater camp you went to?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't go to theater camp.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went to I did a play at my summer day camp, which was for you know, not meant not just for Jews, but like clearly it was for Jews, and it was a day camp because I was afraid of sleep away camp, but that's where they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did I auditioned for Fiddler on the roof, and I got it, and it was like, oh, I can get attention for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: My mezzo soprano is so the giling, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm interrupting, Matt Suss-Pranow, day camp, you said you booked.
[SPEAKER_01]: That means you booked the role.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, we two model the tailors, were you model the tailor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what we get along.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually weird, but we don't hate each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I'm being fustantialist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where was this day camp geographically speaking?
[SPEAKER_00]: Long Island of course right in smack dab in the sort of Western middle in suffocating it's called the Smith thumbs for him from and it was Yeah, very juicy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was called Ivy League, which so all the campers all the camp.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they knew.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they knew all the groups were named my favorite Ivy League colleges.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what group give us a give us one of the Ivy leagues that you were a part of?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I was in Brandeis.
[SPEAKER_01]: everything you say about this camp not being officially Jewish and yet they asked the theatrical production of Filler on the roof.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Ivy you mentioned is Brandeis, which is teaming with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Truly Brandeis, I think there was a corn, of course there was a cornel, a cornel Western.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we didn't even know what we're saying, you know, but yeah, those those sort of like, those sort of, those sort of, they're on, I,
[SPEAKER_01]: went to high school with a girl who was a good friend of mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did like he was going together, high school together, and she went to Brandeis and let's just say the skirt got longer and longer child.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: She, she turned.
[SPEAKER_00]: She, or so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, is she, where is she now?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish her the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she had a lot of kids, um, yeah, long denim skirts, so really leaned in to the storytelling of the Old Testament.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, you know, support her truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, you know, this actually brings up one of our connections that we will do some of the high holidays together, which I find to be such a beautiful tradition.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, for the lore on your new book, one of the little lines we get is in a community built around the chosen family, Elliot can't even get adopted.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what Elliot are paths over dinner's meant nothing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, gotta write something a little.
[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit of a untrue noisy for the book smack in the face I think that really refers more to the need for like you know the the sort of rainbow watched idea of chosen family which inherently you know is of incredibly healthy and if not necessary thing for queer people to find I think for me it really speaks more to the yearning for
[SPEAKER_00]: basically a big group of gay guys to invite me on vacation.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think I want no X-Men being invited.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so true, Elliot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let those pictures play the tape forward though.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see the pictures.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see the gay guy group trips.
[SPEAKER_01]: The closest I've gotten is I'll go to Palm Springs with Matt and a couple of dear friends of ours.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's still not a case for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Statistically speaking, big gay guy group goes on vacation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Statistically speaking,
[SPEAKER_01]: what percentage of them are overall positive experiences that they come back closer than they were when they left?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I would, I mean, how negative kid can you, you can go below zero right with numbers?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, ah, you're such a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also would say I feel too like, like, that whole world of, um, this sort of,
[SPEAKER_00]: a big group gaze and like circuit party gaze and international travel gaze, you know, I feel like I don't have access to what, you know, their world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying it as if I'm complaining, what I'm saying is,
[SPEAKER_00]: That sort of drama, right, that sort of drama and conflict and the idea that they're not necessarily going and it's a bonding experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but I feel like even though it's very much at arms distance.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the term arms length, whatever, even though it's that over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still, and I feel somewhat left out, I don't think I'd actually enjoy being amid the chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can tell you, like, I remember years ago Todd Masterson gave a fact, gave that friend on Instagram, he's the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he had a video go viral, that was a brilliant video where he inserted himself,
[SPEAKER_00]: into this ramp, like sort of roving video that was for the holidays of just all these gay friends, like at their holiday party, and you're still very cinema verite, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: All these gay guys just like hot and just like hanging out, but like boo kind of posing for the camera and Todd inserted himself in being like fat, shirtless, like shoveling popcorn in his mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the funniest thing,
[SPEAKER_00]: in its own weird way, very subversive and just sort of cut through the noise of the performance of queer friendship.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, when that happened, he got so many messages from people in that world for no reason who were just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Shit talking the others and like shit talking their friends and talking I have no idea why you're sharing this with me And also this is like it's not the language by any means that he Speaks about his friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just he was like it was just such a surprise that like they had tea to
[SPEAKER_00]: volunteer for no reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's speaking to a few things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number one that taught as hilarious and I'm obsessed.
[SPEAKER_01]: But number two, it speaks to the thought that if you do get abs and muscles and are invited into that club, that everything is peachy keen when we have learned.
[SPEAKER_01]: First hand that it's simply not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why those gay guy group trips can feel somewhat triggering because just like you're saying about it like boy brains.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all
[SPEAKER_01]: wired to want to be a part of the pack, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we are born into into this society.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you see that you think, well, of course, I want to be invited.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be a part of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then when you're at that party, I myself have been at the stereotypical We Home Muscle Gay Party.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's always way less fun than a party with maybe quote-unquote less hot people, but like also according to who.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, there's two things for because of course there are those groups that exist that have like actual bonding and amazing trips that I do have real jealousy over.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you what I've been manifesting for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is that I you know I've been like a pretty struggling broke artists for many years and I've always felt in my bones at one damn going to make a lot of money because if I don't then
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to end it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, of course, what's the point?
[SPEAKER_01]: My gold manifestation is that when I get like a really delicious paycheck or like, you know, whatever it is, I'm going to take a group to Italy and we're going to do like a fill up moment and just like actually like really enjoy where we are and live live live live.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can, you know, we can shit on gay guy group trips, but I'm also been saying for years that that's what I'm going to do and I'm going to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll tell you, I'd like to join that's first and foremost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Secondly, I will say to you that like, you know, at the high holidays that we get to sit, you know, spend together with our dear friend, J. Marcus, you know, that is like, there is some of the best times I've ever had because it's a, it's a room full of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: different, witty, funny, like it's not that far off from a writer's room.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we're riffing off of each other and it's so not, it's, it doesn't, it's not in the, it's not remotely in the proximity of toxic of
[SPEAKER_00]: Backstabby of, it's just, I don't know, it's just a really fun hang, and that is one that I certainly go on a group vacation with, with our friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying I just, you just see these like wealthy, you know, displays of excess, and it's like, huh, that's just, that's, that's where I'm
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's it's definitely an interesting I mean you've talked about even like the it gets better campaign and as you got older you were like well actually it's sure getting better, but there's still a lot that can be improved upon I do want to give you a huge congratulations on
[SPEAKER_00]: middle-brow and brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, it's my first like real book of essays and I you know, for the book, it's like, it's a comedy book, you know, it's really hopefully very funny, that's the goal, but it's, it's got layers and it's, and there's obviously vulnerability in it, and it's, you know, all about feeling like a gay outcast, but, you know, I really try to balance the two because I don't feel like a literary author, per se, so to get that up there was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: astounding.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't be prouder.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about in my with my new therapist the other day about my search for validation and I think it's very nuanced that as a creative person you have to know you have self worth outside of jobs and a claim.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in order to keep on, you have to know you can, but it's hard to know you're saying that but then also like you'll get like hate comments or love comments online and you like can't really take them to the heart, but you also do a pay attention to how things are landing with your work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the New York Magazine thing is like, you know, it's we can take it as it is, which is like short doesn't change who we are, but that's a fucking exciting as hell.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a nice feather in the cap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, speaking of New York Magazine, did you ever read their sex stories?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what inspired my sub stack like the way that the podcast has been sort of more thing is that when we talk on sub stack of course, it's like horny and a little bit, you know, as Twitter might call it Fag Slop, however,
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it was inspired because I love a New York magazine how you can read about some like random lady lawyer who secretly fucking her trainer behind her husband's back like I would read on the subway all of these people's stories and like get either turned on by the gay ones or like really intrigued by the straight ones and I won't ask some of those New York Maggie's sex diary asks questions to you over on the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just I want to add to that to that like.
[SPEAKER_00]: me as a person, like, I can tell you how, like, how I've evolved in the sense that when I would read that stuff, my own projection was came through frustration and feeling like, why can't I have that I want that?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I guess, and not good enough, I guess I'm fat or ugly or undesirable, and so a lot of frustration came in terms of yearning for that sort of, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: sexual excitement that that like primitive need and desire by someone else, you know, so it's just so couch and rejection, but yeah, of course I read that stuff and I should also say to you that the reason that this podcast is so good and has evolved so
[SPEAKER_00]: really have conversations that actually like bridge between like the inevitably, you know, undeniably horny aspect of gay guys gay stuff, the internet podcasts get flat fat, fat Twitter, but also really like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, your personality or the questions you ask think and the variety of guests you have where you have someone like me who's putting out a book or then you'll have like only fans or only fans of Jason people and it's like, yep, I want to know like I want to know I want to know both I want to know a lot and so you ask you all of you really cast a wide net and I think it's really a stute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That does of course mean a lot from you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I've it's the whole guest that was just podcasting in general is a mind fuck and I'm always touched when people message me that they want to come on, but I of course also feel bad if like I can't have everyone on and the it's so like
[SPEAKER_01]: The way that the podcast has grown with the types of guests that I've had have just felt just like, you know, it's the right time right place for so many people and it's basically the ones that do the best are the people that like a lot of people of us follow, but we don't actually know their true behind the scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually this is going to be a tease and I normally don't do this because if they cancel then I'll be fucked But I don't think he's going to cancel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to interview somebody who I've been fantasizing about interviewing Do you follow someone in Dylan's hips?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, the jump rope guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The jump rope guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is so attractive.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is so hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seems so innocent about like, that's the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have to ask him like, yeah, I mean, so you know you're hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you act like this is just fat, like a fascinating about him and the internet in general, he doesn't seem to acknowledge that he's hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but the content, I don't know how our checking into learn jump ropeing tips.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, I want to see your butt and these juicy tits, he's so handsome and so so attractive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's actually like the way that he moves and so sort of effortlessly confident and hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's
[SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, I consider myself lucky that a lot of these people do say yes because it's all born out of like what I've been doing since I was a kid, which is like asking questions as parties and and I'm thrilled to be able to do with you here today.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: You've tapped in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bless you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bless you, Ali Claser.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of gay guys stuff, uh, you and I have talked off mic about posting thirst traps online and sort of what that brings up in us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ramone Christian took some really hot photos of you earlier this year and you got a lot of well-deserved thirst comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, hard-hitting journalistic questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did those photos get you laid?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yes, they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, um, you know, I have struggled for so long, not just with like body issues and dysmorphia, I think as so many of us have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, um, I've also, you know, even like looking at like the pictures of Dylan, it's like, I used to get so frustrated at the idea of presenting content as, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: innocent while clearly he begging for sexual validation and at some point I just turned a corner and was like it doesn't look like my I want to help my sister help me with it where she's like it's a vacuum you know it's a vacuum and you kind of to get in it to thrive in it to a certain degree.
[SPEAKER_00]: you have to speak the language in that vacuum.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not necessarily the real you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like the version of you that you're choosing to do to exist in the internet thirst-worldly vacuum.
[SPEAKER_00]: So ultimately, I was like, okay, I've been wanting to do this for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel healthier than I look at really the way that I look more than I ever have before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and I love remote,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I met with Ramon and it was like, it was really fun, but genuinely I was like trembling pressing post because there's such a clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never done anything like that worth just such a clear, clearly sexual
[SPEAKER_00]: thirsty, the series of photos, but yeah, and then to follow up on that, I've never received that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those comments are, it's wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like who needs, who needs, if he is when you, you know, somehow it, oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these pictures made them their way to people, plenty of straight people in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: People in real life are like, oh my God, those pictures, those pictures.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yeah, it's all one in the same now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really not, there are no barriers between reality and digital reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you and I should especially with their straps.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We we share that neurotic point of view on third straps because I don't know, and it part of my brain wants to post without without with without abandon just like these are my hairy tits and I like enjoy.
[SPEAKER_01]: posting them, but then I also have like, not necessarily like a shaky finger when I post, but like a lot of my inner thoughts, saboteur even are like, oh yeah, you are nothing except a body that can.
[SPEAKER_01]: accomplish anything else except getting some people to click like because you showed your shoulders.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, I don't think everybody has that what we have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you think is it a Jewish thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a what is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's a good Jewish thing because it's so neurotic like it's textbook neuroses.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the so not only is it
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only do I have those same exact feelings as you, but then I'm also bold over and sometimes paralyzed into not posting anything because I can't believe the output that other people have, like it's so constant, whether it's their straps or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's so constant that it feels like, oh, they can do it without abandon and it works to their benefit, but I'm more precious and, of course, just.
[SPEAKER_00]: swallowed up in my own neuroses and self-deprecating issues when it comes to sharing things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, the irony being that I have a book out that's all about me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but at least it's about you somewhat self-hating.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know there's no such being on that, but at least there's you know, stay staying true to who you are free to be you and me if you will.
[SPEAKER_01]: The real me you did you did reference your sister, and I think it's so interesting to talk to somebody who has a sibling who is also in the entertainment biz because from my perspective, I'm like the black sheep of my family in like the professional realm like I
[SPEAKER_01]: obviously they're very much supportive of me, et cetera, but like professionally my family could know less about Hollywood and the business.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, on the other hand, are like, I don't know, I, I somewhat want to compare you to like the grondes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are a, you are in different ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like while she has like the grondes are like in the popsphere, you and Alana are like in the like comedy.
[SPEAKER_01]: creating, like you both have this like amazing point of view, but it must be wild to both be doing such an insane career, is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so wild and our parents are absolutely amazing, but understandably, get out of their
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad's from Brooklyn and Mom's from Queens, like we grew up along Island pretty middle class.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think it's still kind of like mostly a mind-fuck for them as the two of us in our own different ways and together and a lot of times, but in our own different ways have to navigate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the crazy part is like, you know, Alanna is pretty massively successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a little bit scrappy, or kind of writer's rooms to this book to like, you know, bit parts on shows and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that's also at least for me like that's
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had to come to terms with that and how that works and feels.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I think it's just kind of a, yeah, it's a unique situation to be in, but at the end of the day, my mom was still like, really pushing for a lot of to become a nurse for God knows what reason I'm entering.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me to become a, even recently, I'm like, so I'm working on this book coming on my mom's like, would you ever consider becoming a class roommate?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, it's still just like the boomer mentality will go away when I, uh, it was October of 2020.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had been deeply unemployed during the pandemic getting those government checks and thinking to myself, I need more than this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am not going to wait to make a pay to get.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a living.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I told my parents that I was going to leave the entertainment industry and I was going
[SPEAKER_01]: They were their faces were just like we understand and I was like yeah That was gonna fight for me to dreams They just shot a bazooka into your dreams, which of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure in their minds.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like they just want to support what I was Saying sure thinking but of course my self-deprecating and secure ass was like, oh, so you don't care if I live or die But like it's you know, they are
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt as I do with my mom in particular it's like and maybe I shouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt in this capacity but at least with my parents just like it would appease their anxiety about.
[SPEAKER_00]: someone like you or someone like me in a career that is very unsteady, that is very unreliable, that is not remotely by the books.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think again, at least for my mom, she projects, and she's just like, well, you know, it would be a classroom, but that would provide her with
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, um, there are two things I want to say because I actually as long as we've been friends I haven't really asked about the like family business of it all with the entertainer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm just interested in I don't know if you're readily in a don't I'm spoke, but hearing her yeah, so she talks really really eloquently about her parents witness her success
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how, when the net tip, I know that I'm friendly with Lena.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obsess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's, yeah, even more exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she basically like, she, you know, says that it was a minefuck basically to see her success in her 20s, reach such high heights, meanwhile, her parents have been working artists for all these years, and to see sort of like the shift, the dynamic shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: with sort of a mind-fuck for everybody involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: For you having this sister who has this very big visibility, living in LA, do you ever have this fear that there are people getting close to you to get close to your sister in any way because there's so many social climbers here?
[SPEAKER_00]: living in LA, try living anywhere, yeah, I mean, it's really, I mean, that is such a bummer and it's really helped condition me to sniff out that thing right away.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's already super-genuating, especially when somebody says,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, you're a, you don't want to really please just brother it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, I mean, that's that's one way I identify sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a name, but okay, you know, but yeah, it's, it's happened as much as New Yorker said didn't LA as it has an LA.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just can sniff it out very quickly and, you know, sometimes I could be.
[SPEAKER_00]: polite about it, but other times I'm just like, well, you know, I'm not going to respond.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's usually when somebody says, um, this, I know this, I hope this doesn't make you uncomfortable, but, and then it's like, well, you made me uncomfortable, and this
[SPEAKER_00]: the conversation has ended and I don't have to say anything because I know that the person will realize it was pretty shitty to try to climb in a way that hurt my feelings or made me feel less than because it's very obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand how that would be demeaning.
[SPEAKER_01]: book coming out is going to be amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also looking forward to the next book because inevitably you're going to continue to create these gorgeous essays.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look forward to reading about the like gay experience of coming out as, you know, a gay guy, Ellie Flaze, or being in this industry and finding success, but then also having the identity politics of having a sibling that's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you kidding?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like so nuanced, there's so many levels to that, because it's, yeah, I just, it's so steamy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine what I, what I felt like when I saw Jordan just doing my sister on director.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, like, like, it is so, it is such a strange existence to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, gay people especially gay guys like really fun over and it's not it's not really my sister it's like a cartoon version of her in on TV and in gifts and stuff that lasts forever But it's so it is I mean I could talk for hours about what that feels like because and and thus of course I'm a very bad gay because
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I sound homophobic saying yes queen, you know, I sound like I'm homophobic, you know, it just that doesn't roll off my tongue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not I'm not, you know, she's the character is so outrageous.
[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, you guys will flock to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sort of like in the background like I'm actually the, I'm getting, you know, I'm the one, you know, you know, what's, what's the least version of the us queen.
[SPEAKER_01]: What sounds natural out of Ellie Clezer's mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I often will say, um, this feels correct, that feels correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which honestly really does, I think, bring to life the idea of you being a bad gay because there's no pageantry to this feels correct, but no, there's also such an Ellie Glazerness to it that in a way is why you're a good gays because you're the you gay, Ellie, you're the gay that you are and that's all that we can be.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, come on after school, uh, troll.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm relaxing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're speaking of vocal stems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jessica Simpson for a minute on newlyweds and not want to say, oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she said, oh, my God, without the D and for too long, I would go, oh, my God, oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, you're saying she didn't want to say God because of her
[SPEAKER_01]: on the television program newlyweds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, I'll be honest, I'm more of an Ashley guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I find her career fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, by the way, let's shout out the amazing podcasts that you did with our friends Greg and Tim.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you mentioned that by the way, everyone's called Miss Thing podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miss Thing, so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Elliot, you told the story about being at the taping of Ashley Simpson, lip syncing at SNL, which, oh my god, you, you watched.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was an intern and so I witnessed it firsthand and then I found out that one of my best friends we had known yet was an extra on the show that night and then another friend was in the audience because for whatever reason she was in the audience so we were all there together but had known each other yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if you have been keeping up with Ashley but she announced a new single and the new single is called like
[SPEAKER_00]: grape is good or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: She basically her new single is spawned con for grape popsicles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is the most who weekly thing I could ever describe.
[SPEAKER_00]: That feels perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: That feels correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ashley Simpson for grape popsicles.
[SPEAKER_00]: The video is wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's heard her daughter and it looks a little inappropriate but Ashley looks amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm also very much team Ashley.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did see her perform at WeHo Pride.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did listen religiously to her album.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course her notes do not give me any agita.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually enjoy the sound of scraping vocal folds against each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean that genuinely, I love her music.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember where you were when you saw her new nose?
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like, I have literally said this on stage that she has the best notes drop in the biz.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could only, I could only dain to wish to get that those, um, true, gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, she looked great before the rhinoplasty and she looked great after, but God, that doctor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, how does she looks?
[SPEAKER_00]: She looks like she hasn't aged a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's almost creepy that she has, like, full grown kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she looks like she was on the reality show, which is my favorite show of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Ashley Simpson show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course, of course, of course, of course, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as it goes, a TV show documenting somebody creating their first album, which is like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: who was basically her dad's like her gay dad's twink obsession at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, talk about talking about layered stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: You and a lot of lives are up, but then Ashley Simpson and her gay ass dad, who's 3b gay ass dad, I would prefer to be in your shoes than a Simpson, no matter if it's a billion dollar shoe company, but that's just me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, I do want to do the final podcast question on this main side before we go over to sub-stuck because these listeners are going to get some good BTS on Ellie Glaser's fornory, but also Herstery Ellie Glaser.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've answered this question before, but the answer can change every single day So let's find out if the world was ending and you could only save one character actress who would you say I would have to save any pots
[SPEAKER_00]: She is just the unspoken hero who has not gotten enough praise from Ghost Busters to think she's on one of the big bang spin offs to playing the mother-in-law on my favorite forgotten drama The Fosters, a family drama about two lesbians who foster a household of kids and she played one of the mother's mothers, a grandma, she never, she only
[SPEAKER_00]: only only hits home runs every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she played Mima and young Sheldon, which I'm thrilled for her to get that paycheck.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's 73 years old living in oh wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: The South?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she was born in Nashville.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I, you know, so recently we've gotten so many character actresses that are very much in the now.
[SPEAKER_01]: As I guys, I'm not saying that she's not current, but I'm saying that Annie Potts has been booking for years and that's
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, I mean, her credits are also wild, pretty in pink, Toy Story in 95.
[SPEAKER_01]: She did Toy Story 5.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Ghostbusters in 84.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's like, some big parts of pop culture that not something that you can just take away from a person's career.
[SPEAKER_01]: She also has always had such great hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to talk about the like short sort of
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to have a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a
[SPEAKER_01]: like can great vine that are but that I know between us and it hasn't happened yet, but like I just trying to I'm just trying to manifest like getting an anti-the-pots type and a lot of Ubok type on this podcast would be and I'm gonna see you soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's incredible in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just everything is a hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is a hit, but Alya Glazer speaking of hits, the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad gaze out to say August 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will you please tell his listeners before we go to Substack?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where to follow you and how they can get that book?
[SPEAKER_00]: They can get that book anywhere, they shop online, they can also get in touch with indie bookstores, skylight books and L.A. is doing giveaways of signed copies, you can really get it anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can just follow me at Elliott Glazer on Instagram or Elliott Glazer.com, the book infos there too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just available everywhere and anywhere and I hope that your listeners will enjoy it because I imagine we'll speak to a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely know that it will speak to them and I'm very excited for these gorgeous listeners to find out why we're all feeling like a bunch of freaks inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ellie Glazer.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've linked all that in the description.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, I want to get us into, since we only have a little bit of time on Substack, let's start talking about your herstery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, your first boy boy kiss was it at that Jewish non Jewish stay camp was in a college moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where did you have your first boy boy kiss?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was college, so I just come out freshman year and then met a boy at I think like a video store in the village.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh famously TLA video, which was like, I was really trying to do the A plus student thing of reading about being gay and sort of throwing myself into that world.
[SPEAKER_00]: and that included going to TLA because they rented, they had videos that were like a boy's life, which was of all these like gay anthologies of pretty awful short films.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I would hang out there and I met a guy who worked there and so yeah, that was my first real kiss and I remember being like, like, yeah, it was he was so did it take place again in the in the store or was it?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that was it was outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were in like Washington Square Park, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is so much going actually, and I will meet you, you were at NYU, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we, okay, before we, now I do, of course, wanted to have monstrous NYU questions, but let's get into formative hookups or stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any tales that you would like to share that were either super exciting, surprising, embarrassing, formative in any way?
[SPEAKER_00]: good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was, I mean, I wasn't
[SPEAKER_00]: really getting much action in college until I started dating my first like boyfriend who I met on live journal because I couldn't find anybody in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he lived in Jersey.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he'd come into the city sometime.
[SPEAKER_00]: So occasionally we would have my dorm room for that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that lost my Virginia in a car, a park car in New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's did you
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I'm going to small car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I honestly like good work because that's not meant not everyone can say they can do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know and I remember just being like it just felt odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it didn't feel good or bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just like that's odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also fruit fruit was playing which I'll never that'll never exit my head never.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, you know, he lived with his fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: He lived with his family.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he wasn't much older than me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we
[SPEAKER_00]: tries desperately to find a place to hook up because if his parents were home that was weird, I didn't know who really wanted to do it in a car, you know, if we didn't have to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it would sort of putter around suburban New Jersey looking for empty spaces or, you know, but even there it was just so commercial that we ended up going to one of those disgusting filthy, like, you know, pay by the hour motels.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the room was just for the rest of the interview had to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Patterson Ross, so Tyler Varval, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibley, Sam Altizer, and more.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's at substack.com slash at Eric Wills, and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry Hornie time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love you, bye!