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[SPEAKER_03]: That's on your grave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you think we're at her?
[SPEAKER_02]: Shake them ropes, drop here, Jeff here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a miracle that we're both here right on time as we originally intended for shake them ropes, heading into, heading into mid-August of 2020.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six, six, yeah, yeah, I know, I had to think of the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're moving right along.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're heading right towards the road to all in and all out and all WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_02]: all these different shows that are going on and not a single company knows what the heck story line they want to focus on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's our slab as so hit miss and then AEW just decides to.
[SPEAKER_03]: your point was so valid.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to steal it from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have things.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm watching you all dynamite in a fun show in a lively crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when they have these special shows, they're pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, it's the best thing AEW does is when they have these special shows, whether it's a special venue,
[SPEAKER_02]: a cool, a cool location, maybe some of those niche kind of venues, the smaller ones, the more intimate venues, the cool cities.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have expected AEW to gash darn run Panama City Beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that restaurant that WWE used to do the Spring Break Nitros.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that exists anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course we had Grand Slam Mexico on Wednesday night and as fun as the show was as all this stuff is going on When is all out when is all in I should say Jeff Hawkins because all in is the end of this month the last it's 20 days away
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 22 days away from this dynamite.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is, uh, it is three weeks away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's coming up relatively quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got your big main events.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, actually, uh, no, that, uh, when is this all in 2026?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the end of this month.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is August 30.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a little bit further away.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 23 days away from now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is what I think I meant to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, all in Wembley big show, your big main event, Kenny Omega will
[SPEAKER_02]: This is for the illegitimate fake heavyweight championship, apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a former champion coming out on the show with his triple B, the big burberry, burberry belt, burberry, whatever it's supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have him coming out with this triple B.
[SPEAKER_02]: claiming he's the real world champion when we literally just saw him lose to Kenny Omega, and that's not even the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Rob, a heel is going to come out and claim to the real world champ, and they're going to come out and claim all this bullshit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not before the biggest fucking show you have of the year where you have this big title match in London with Will Osprey challenging.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not before all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not trying to create illegitimacy even if it's a goddamn heal on TV coming out here and saying this is the this is the real world champ on the real world champ on the people's champ before your god damn big mate event happening at all in.
[SPEAKER_03]: And believe that all of his complaints were legitimate.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fuck is he even doing them in the show?
[SPEAKER_02]: I get that he's gonna have a match at all in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Focus on the match, he's gonna have it all in because you know what, it's not a triple threat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, it's for a title shot, but I mean, the moment will wins the title.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the moment to say, he's an illegitimate champion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you haven't had a real hot.
[SPEAKER_03]: main event program for the title that didn't include MJF for the longest time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, hangman crap the bed twice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Moxley was a good world champion.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was stuck with like
[SPEAKER_03]: to either Ray feed external defenses or maybe I missed remembering that but he was he was in the middle of a punk hangman stuff which never really gave him a chance to be you know and then oh oh they didn't believe punk leaving kind of hurt on Mocley's whole title.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah punk left the punk could draw but Mocley then decided he was going to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm hiding the belt for a
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, but this is, as you, as you want, yes, everybody wants this match so bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's, it's like, yes, let's, let's build this internal heat and here comes MJF to be far more interesting than either of these other guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: and and when did maybe it was just a tan maybe it's because cameras always look the picture always looks a little funny when it's not in the United States it's so fun because I don't know what it is about going through the satellites that just make the picture look sometimes even better but just weird but MJF.
[SPEAKER_02]: look like a million bucks this night.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fake tan was on fake tan perfection.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't his usual bullshit orange run off fake tan like he was looking great.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was coming out with a big belt and you got Kenny Omega and Will Osprey in the main event of your next paper view.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not even focusing on that, but you're also not focusing on whatever the heck MJF is actually going to do on this show because he's like, whatever I'm going to do is secondary to my actual world title and the fact that I should be in the main event, mix with Kenny Omega and Will Osprey.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not to mention, yeah, you had Hangman lose his match.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had Swerve.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, it was only what two months ago that you had Hangman Swerve and Omega in the ring, talking about how they're all going for the championship and then Swerve's not around and hey,
[SPEAKER_02]: with these stereo, these stereo ties with storylines.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, nowhere, I mean, MJF was the champion at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Darby Allen, thankfully, is out of the mix.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just you have a whole bunch of stuff all scrambled up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not, I'm not trying to say that, oh, I know how to run a big paper view and get people the importance of this paper view because I've never run a paper view.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get that, but I just don't see any benefit to creating an air of illegitimacy to the big title match that people have been longing for, which in theory is to legitimize the AEW title finally after a year of a little unrest.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, some Ojo Darby Allen MJF, Hangman Page, a little bit of unrest
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're finally getting back on track with major names in the top of the program.
[SPEAKER_02]: Will Osprey, Kenny Omega, maybe even John Moxley getting back in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: MJF.
[SPEAKER_02]: MJF is a big name.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be in the title program.
[SPEAKER_02]: But not this month.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dare I say this should be the biggest match in the history of your company.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should be the biggest match is probably the main event of your first paper view.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's always going to be it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this should be the biggest match since then.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because of the critical acclaim of both the participants involved, and you should be doing absolutely nothing to draw focus from it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because last time they were in London, correct me if I'm wrong, the main event was MJF versus Adam Cole, the second time they wrestled bad night.
[SPEAKER_02]: all in London, happening at Wembley Stadium.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a huge match.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the heck are you doing with MJF coming in and saying neither ones the world champ?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I just, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and by the way, we'll Osprey cheated me out of the world title, and he's he's actually a villain in this whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will ask for his a villain, which you're already scrambled up enough because Will Osprey's villain, the villain, he's been in the villain stable for the last month, month and a half.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kenny O'Met is healing on Will Osprey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so not one, two, Jerry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not one damn likable element in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I put Chris Jericho in this main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might have a little likability.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's just it's just baffling me like that and that's the thing that stands out from from this week of AEW.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you got Will and Iton Gail versus Mercedes Meney.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's going to be a big match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mercedes getting it, um, you know, does Mercedes win the title by now, does Will owe some men herane because I think he kind of have to cement the wick rain of Willow.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're still two, three weeks away from doing a prediction show on this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the card is looking pretty good so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're doing, you're doing edge in Christian against the young bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a big match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they might do that in Montreal, but they really gave nothing for Adam Copeland and Christian Cajun Montreal here.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're finally doing this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some big matches that are gonna be on this show, but you just made your main event kind of a little less important.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just a storyline on you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to do this right now on September 1st, yes, never the first dynamite is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever that first dynamite is, you could have MJF come out maybe after it, maybe after a win on the paperview, maybe wins a match on the paperview.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it comes out and it's like this is all the bullshit that happened to me you might be the a w world champion but i have this triple b that i'm ready to make back the a w world title because i just beat so and so and you were you shh fucked me out of uh... fucked me out of my title i'm coming back for the actual title and boon you have another big match yeah well i mean you don't
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't have to be on all in either.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love MJF, and I think he should be on all in.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you did the story, if you did the story where he turned tail and ran after he lost the world title, and he's just going to be off in a way for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's going to come back and say he was screwed.
[SPEAKER_03]: He probably should not be on TV.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's going to be in this casino gauntlet match.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's going to win the match on Wednesdays.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he's going to be in this casino gauntlet, him and on grate and a bunch of scrubs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, most of the Don Calls family will be in.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if they can get Swerve back, maybe him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe you're Swerve.
[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, I would like to see like you start off with on drottie and mgf and then a Swerve comes in and actually wins it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably the way to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because neither the first two need it because I think they're building on draw day for the dynamite diamond ring, because he's been doing the whole stay with the dollar falls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Jeff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and then you don't and then you don't need.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then you don't need MJF to win because he's the real world champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the real world champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't need him to win either because he hasn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was the last world champion of these.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it makes sense that he would get some type of some type of match out of this, but come in and challenge the winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Challenge the winner when the match is over, but I still think you should be on the paper view.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, well, a paper view like this, you kind of have to have all your guns on the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, really, you kind of have to have all of them on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: They may not be doing the most important match because not everyone can be in the main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not everyone can be in a single style match, although AEW has plenty of singles titles to actually put everyone in a single style match.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you shouldn't, you don't have to have everyone in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, right now there's six matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: We still expect another tend to be added to the show to bring us a total of 25.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's math, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's Steiner Math, Speaker of Steiner Math, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these diners.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these diners getting suspended, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: First, there's Braun Breaker.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now one of the Reck Steiner kids is getting suspended from the New Orleans Saints.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually stunned when the Steiner kid was listed as white receiver.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually didn't know he was a white receiver.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just assume all of them are linebackers.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, actually, Braun was a fullback, I believe.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are all built like linebackers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't comment until I know what the suspension was for.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we can all think we don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's also a little weird too, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that we're not okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Brock Rex Steiner, New Orleans Saints.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's an undrafted rookie wide receiver.
[SPEAKER_03]: He ain't making a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, how do you get suspended for six days or six games as an undrafted rookie?
[SPEAKER_02]: And still two days later, you're on the roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: How does that happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like, that seems like a guy, well, we can just cut him right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if he makes the roster, he'll be suspended for the first, he ain't making this roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: He might get protected on the scout team and undrafted wider receiver who suspended for six games is going to stay on your roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you even do it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like now, at this point, I think it's just bodies to have for the first couple of preseason games, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The first couple of
[SPEAKER_02]: games because you can do all the pre-season games.
[SPEAKER_02]: Broker X diner is the son of Scott Steiner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone comes from Scott.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care that Bron is Rick's kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still Scott Steiner's kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the the the the thing about the bot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean for the undrafted stuff you look at guys ago, okay, if we put some time in for a year or two on on the scout team, can they develop into an NFL player for the most part?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's no because the guys that they bring in are great college players who don't
[SPEAKER_03]: the stats in terms of height and weight or the skills to play in the NFL necessarily.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just very good college players, but occasionally you'll find one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I don't understand this.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of these, and they're not even announcing why.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing that's killing me here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, was it gambling?
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it drugs?
[SPEAKER_03]: Did he have a domestic abuse issue?
[SPEAKER_03]: What was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Too many stiner lines in the cafeteria?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do many Steiner screwdrivers on the old football field.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that Steiner screwdriver?
[SPEAKER_03]: From a wide receiver, if a wide receiver ever did that, you should be humiliated as a defense of player.
[SPEAKER_02]: 6 foot 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 5, from Woodstock, Georgia.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see that coming down the aisle for a main event of a backlash someday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know where I can't see that as a wide receiver in the NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like 225 sounds like a lot for a while you receiver and also to a short for a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not for these slot guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for a slot guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, he's a slot guy, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just a Steiner slot guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also this one, this kid, you know, as opposed to Scott's other kid, Braun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Brock over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit more apt to kind of follow the Scott Steiner, not only the Steiner name, but the Scott Steiner pathway a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's embracing it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see this guy maybe being a, maybe being a pro grappler some day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tron breaker.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell you, I hope they portray brothers on TV too somehow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope Brown hates it like everything else in his life right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we have to watch Solo Sokoa with a completely different name than the Usos and they go, he's our little brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Then how come his mom gave him a completely different last name?
[SPEAKER_03]: He just wanted to be by himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wrestling Observer is reporting you know we had quite the newsworthy summer slam We're not gonna go over summer slam because by now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a week old.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean we've already moved on to a W all in we've already moved on to the next WWE show which of course we all know Is money in the bank
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I hope that show it's still happening in New Orleans and that's and that's the mate good for them not getting a WrestleMania there's a lot of not getting WrestleMania make goods the WWE is going to owe because WWE is giving Indianapolis a summer slam in 2029.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a part of their deal, they're supposed to also get a WrestleMania, but the time is running out to get a WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're going to do Summerslam there in 2029, because I think it's a five-year deal, it was supposed to bring the Rumble Summerslam and WrestleMania all within five years, and that's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, WrestleMania is not coming to Indianapolis before 2031 at the earliest.
[SPEAKER_03]: So no, and Rumble just got announced for Arizona again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rumble's rumble's going to be heading to Glendale, Arizona.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said state farm, state farm stadium.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had to take a double take.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize it wasn't a university of Phoenix Stadium anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize it was any of these other stadium names.
[SPEAKER_02]: The stadium names just keep changing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's preferable to the baseball park that they had in the last time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where they didn't have any food by the time the pre-show ended.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't go to that Russell Mania that was there at England dollars on the head what undertaker Sean Michaels and Sean Michaels retirement match.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had bread heart versus Vince McMahon.
[SPEAKER_03]: A little one thing about summer slam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, what is your most note?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's a lot of news and notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what was the note you wanted to bring up about summer slam?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or as we affectionately call it the summer fest.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't nick out this right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they gave me the oasis song.
[SPEAKER_03]: They paid for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually the news item I wanted to bring up, because there's breaking news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although it's not really that breaking of news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Figure four online is reporting that there are no plans for a nick all this match at this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't do it again, even though he was great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of those things where it's like, although the way they fixed it, or retconned it, it's like, yeah, your general manager again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you handled your business like a man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to punish you for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, that's what happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, once, once the next time that a superstar is really heated, because honestly, Sammy Zaines and that exact storyline with Nick Aldous right now, right, where the GM keeps fucking him.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is same as saying in the challenge into a match now Nick all this is either as to accept or said no it was a one and done you're not important enough for me to come out of retirement again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Nick all this will wrestle again it will happen but he's not going to be a regular they're not putting you know one of the youngest guys on the roster as a regular wrestler.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know how they I know how they do it they say it's an unsanctioned street fight and so becomes a walk-in brawl.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe a special show some day, it will be hard to do at this point, tow the line with Nick Aldous because you have him wrestle on match every year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just a special thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people are supposed to think it's a special thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can he just keep abdicating his role as general manager for a weekend to wrestle on match?
[SPEAKER_02]: At some point, he's not going to be the general manager.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't see Nick Aldous being the general manager for the next five years on TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you run as an on-screen GM character,
[SPEAKER_03]: They give a general manager badge at every time he takes it off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now I'm not the general manager.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's real.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can fight you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's real now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, they gave him the OASIS music.
[SPEAKER_02]: They gave him a help.
[SPEAKER_02]: They gave him time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Gunther match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you put him in there with Gunther.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're if you're rusty, go in there with Gunther.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be just fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he talked about an interviews afterwards that he blew up within two minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, can we have the talk Kevin Owens came back?
[SPEAKER_03]: That was nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's all part of this Nick Aldus, but I'm right now I'm still on Nick Aldus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said, he's Nick Aldus two minutes into his match blew up, which I can kind of see, I mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there's nothing like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, two weeks or three weeks to get in shape because they told them at Saudi Arabia, we're doing a match with you at WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_02]: To get into ring shape, because obviously the guy's been working at the gym, obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he's kind of got that Randy Orton thing going where he comes up as a really skinny muscular guy, not even skinny, but like really muscular, but lean and then he's got that he's got that body where okay, there's there's some wear under those under those muscles, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're pushed out a little bit more, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it looked great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I think the crowd reacted super well to this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: The match was really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nick Aldous loses.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the new general manager at the end of the night, which leaves us tonight too.
[SPEAKER_02]: The opening match, Sami Zayn versus Finn Baller, you were right that open the show, but effectively it didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't the match that opened the show because we got a four way with Gunther added, and then the returning Kevin Owens, Kevin Owens is back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe once on this on this show this very year that you said he wasn't going to come back this calendar year and I called you a fool.
[SPEAKER_02]: You remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, maybe I miss remembering in the roles we're first there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Kevin Owens is back after a year and a half, Kevin Owens is back and all the sudden just right back in that title picture with with he's got angst against Sami Zayn or Sami Zayn as angst against him right now because Sami Zayn feels that Kevin Owens took a spot we're going to find out.
[SPEAKER_02]: on SmackDown this week because we haven't really had a show yet since summer slam for the SmackDown guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to find out same his name's thoughts on Kevin Owens coming in and stealing his title shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to find out Kevin Owens thoughts on being the number one contender.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to find out if that number one contender shit match goes on right away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe at money in the bank.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, Kevin Owens has returned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your thoughts on the big news of the weekend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin Owens back in WWE.
[SPEAKER_03]: Number one, it's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if he wants to go out like this, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: As he said, hey, if my neck gives out, you know, and it's it's one to two years, I'm going to go hard and do it and then do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But SmackDown is now sneaky loaded with talent with punk Cody Orton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ons back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Orton, Kevin Owens.
[SPEAKER_03]: Same as any kind of still be me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Drew is still in that mix over there, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, Drew should be in the mix.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Gunther still.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just got us just beat the GM.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was just in the world title picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not all these guys are going to be able to be in the world title picture, but it's going to be interesting to see what happens next with Gunther.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to figure that, you know, Cody Rhodes Randy Orton is a program, probably Kevin Owens and CM Punk, unless they want to do the detour on just a SmackDown with Sami Zane.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what is Damian Priest doing, what is what is trick Williams going to do now that Baron Corbin,
[SPEAKER_02]: is your new United States champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what if this, what if this Jeff Hawkins is the conduit to getting Baron housing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a little Dan housing got a nice taste of winning his match on Summerslam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's a number one contender for that US title and there has to be some some curse and going on to get that title picture and maybe along with it goes a little Baron
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Oberfemi is coming on to SmackDown this week and he and Dan housing just did something at the house show yesterday So that was kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay If you better not fucking put Oberfemi with Dan housing.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you should not you should absolutely not mix your comedy with your main event I don't TV that how shows the live events.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to do some.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: My fear is it got over so well that they'll do it on TV and I'll do anything like this is gold dust goldberg all over again
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not do anything with Oberfemi and Dan House and they must be kept separate.
[SPEAKER_02]: They cannot be involved in the same antics.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oberfemi going to smack down tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what's or tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Oberfemi beat Brock Lesnar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been trying to say they've been they've been saying that Oberfemi gave up his title shot, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he only gave it up on that show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he didn't choose to cash in effectively, the title shot at SummerSlam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't mean he's not getting a title shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you could easily insert an obfemi into Cody Rhodes, CM Punk Kevin Owens.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have a little bit, I mean, this is what Triple H likes to do, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is like to have three or four guys involved basically in the same storyline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the difference is, when it leads to your biggest paper view of the year,
[SPEAKER_02]: the guys all branch off.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like Oberfemmys trying to come up before WrestleMania and say, well, gosh, darn Cody Rhodes and CM Punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the real guy who should be in this match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the real world champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go have your little main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you afterwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's a difference here, Mr. Khan.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oberfemmys waiting until after some are saying he literally gave up his shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you could focus on your main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: with CM Punk with Roman Reigns on both shows your real main events you could focus on that but I digress.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he's probably going to come say something to see
[SPEAKER_02]: But you could also, okay, Kevin Owens is the number one contender.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he wants to finish it with Sami Zane first.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes go off on their way and you have Obofemi's CM Punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Obofemi probably has to win.
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you think of the CM Punk Cody match?
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you see it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually did because I am as of now
[SPEAKER_02]: A ESPN unlimited subscriber through YouTube TV by me, so I got to watch that show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watched both nights.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I watched night two on a little bit of a delay, but I actually watched night one live as it was happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen mixed reviews of CM Punk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was fine, and then the figure four just trashed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't that bad I didn't think I thought I've been seeing I've been seeing some others, but yeah No, the I mean CM Punk Cody Rose was perfectly fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean could you say I don't even know how long it went Could you say it went a little long maybe Especially when it's not your main event right because you had your main event cage match Which was a weird one?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean we can talk about that if you wanted to you going in hell in the cell I'm not using the cell at all, but this is the WWE we live in right now They are not going to actively on ESPN air
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, cause blood, cause damage.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not getting any of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not getting thumbtack spots, probably any more in WWE.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not doing this danger bullshit.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are partners with damn snickers, NESPN and Disney and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not getting the chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you could've at least thrown him into the cage every once in a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you're not going to risk having the blood coming from the, from the cage match.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's anti AEW, at least they stayed in the constraints of, okay, it's hell in a cell and they stayed inside the cell as opposed to say you get like in AEW a double dog collar chain match or whatever and we're bringing out shares and tables and thumbtacks and glass and every other prop is not just using the stipulation that they have so it, you know, finding a happy medium would be nice, but
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the hell the self did nothing for me because it was just like, okay, Brock doesn't want to do much of a match, and He forgot his knee pads, which it looked like it sucked to do the tombstone on wood plank, but other than that it was cool That's 49 years old
[SPEAKER_02]: his last match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's and he's doing big bumps.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a big body bump in around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't I don't blame Brock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like saying Brock Lesnar didn't want to have much of a match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like is a is an understatement always.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, it's 12 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like he's the last year that we have a match man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's going hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been tossed around by Obafemmy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not being used to being tossed around.
[SPEAKER_02]: But 12 minute main event following the 30 minute CM Punk Codero's match.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I could you could say that that match went a little long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when CM Punk Coderoads, let's not forget and CM Punk is now 15 years older than when he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, this, um, these are probably two of the worst actual workers, the worst actual wrestling, like in-ring wrestling guys in the main event scene in WWE.
[SPEAKER_02]: In some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cody Rhodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: with these damn Cody cutters that never come off well.
[SPEAKER_02]: CM Punk, who's never been an in-ring technician, even though he, you know, well, he came from ring of honor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was great in the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch CM Punk's best matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were not in the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's 45 minutes beat thrown around on the outside by Samojo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's not an athletic guy per se, which is why I like to the charm of the botched moon salt for some of these days, not athletic guys now they're still really, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying in your main event scene when Roman reigns, Roman reigns has surpassed them as in ring technical wrestlers and being able to beat in the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Roman reigns, you'll have a 30 minute match never leaving the ring and it would be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some guys have to leave the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: The rock in a lot of ways had to leave the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he did so in a lot of his made of that matches.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you go back and watch, Steve Austin had to leave the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Steve Austin was a brawler.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll tell you himself after the neck injury.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was not a wrestler anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was brawler.
[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes that works for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cody Rhodes is not a brawler.
[SPEAKER_02]: See him punk, not a brawler.
[SPEAKER_02]: But these guys went there 30 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can, if you want to have some type of criticism, the length of the match okay, but otherwise it's like I'm glad a match went more than 13 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes I want to see something that actually has a little drama built up over some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I want to see something that might be at 2025, not because I just want to see it for that long.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because sometimes it takes a little bit to build up that drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not everyone is Brock Lesnar who could build up drama in 30 seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brock Lesnar, one of the best in-ring main event guys, the WWE has ever had.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hoss matches should not be 20 minutes and those don't have to be 20 minutes right I don't want to see big show and Brock Lesnar go out there for 20 minutes Right, I didn't want to I didn't want to see that and sometimes we got that But Brock Lesnar will be fed me I thought I thought the the first night was pretty good you were more excited
[SPEAKER_02]: about the second night if I if I mistaken I was second that was okay, but I mean it started off as hot as any show can start with the reveal of Gunther in Kevin Owens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dominic Mysterio Dan Housing thankfully was pretty short.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was it was interesting to see Dan Housing in there like this is a character that we're obviously going to be seeing for a good amount of time here in the next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chad Gable, beating Penta for the Intercontinental Championship and he thoughts on that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a good match, but kind of, yeah, I mean, it's weird because I, because number one, the school clap didn't really get over, although a few people were doing it this resume, but after this match and Chad giving the long speech about, it's like they decided to recreate the El Grande.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they did thing for sure, bring the family in the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything is if, you know, because it's a
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want the intercontinental title to mean something because this is your TV main event championship, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the main event title that's on Raw's.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not often getting world title matches on Raw, although we are getting one in September apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, this is your, this is your, every once in a while has to main event to Raw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every once in a while has to main event to Saturday nights, main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not, I'm not going to criticize them for making it important.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just not
[SPEAKER_02]: Chad Gable is impossibly less over than he was when he was all ground day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because they took away a lot of the things that made him likable, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They took away the thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took away the him being kind of serious, but also not necessarily goofy, but not taking himself so seriously, not coming out here like I'm I'm Chad Gable and I'm an Olympic, you know, wrestler.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm almost like they took away some of the stuff that just made Chad Gable likeable.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was also working with a lot of likeable characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now yeah, he's working with Penta, but what's he
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they go on with it, they go on with Chad Gable just being this great inring technician and a guy who's been here for 10 years giving it his all and he goes, I think it can get over.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not over yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were treating this segment like it has been over and this was like the culmination.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the culmination for Chad Gable, I don't think has happened yet, because you got to rebuild that road coming from the All Grande match and they haven't rebuilt that road yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that and stop reminding me of the crappy gimmicks that they gave them, like, yeah, I hope that's the last time honestly, because really we don't have to go into the past anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you keep bringing up the past, we're going to think of you as that character and you're not that guy anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got the new music, which, you know, has to grow on you a little bit because right now it hasn't obviously,
[SPEAKER_02]: Cm punk music at there's a lot of different spots in the music of Chad Gable where the crowd could get into it eventually they just kind of got to be used to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so we'll see what happens there, you know, Roman Reigns won the world title that was another 30 plus minute match and then Jeff you called it.
[SPEAKER_02]: the five-way ladder match for the interim title, which now it might actually be the actual women's title for a while, because breaking news, Rhea Ripley is out just had surgery on her knee, probably going to be out for nine months to a year possibly, maybe a little bit sooner, but it could be nine months to a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your new women's champion on the SmackDown side.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea Green.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, good for her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I still think she loses it tonight, possibly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the other thing was re-uncome it out with that tweet made me go, Oh, she's coming back on Friday.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's a total WWE thing to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, I'm going to be out for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, good thoughts for everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then the music hits and everybody just goes, oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is interesting timing that they, you know, if you come out with this before the company can announce it, like that, that's usually a telltale sign.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I'm buying my antenna one up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went, oh my God, she's already better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she didn't say, why did she add the surgery?
[SPEAKER_02]: She just said she had surgery.
[SPEAKER_02]: The surgery could have been a month or two ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so maybe you're very, you're very untrusting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm skeptical of everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very skeptical.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unbutisative individual.
[SPEAKER_03]: When she does it, I have to expect Naya Jackson come out and win this title from her tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the thing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You could do a whole reset.
[SPEAKER_02]: If free Ripley really is out for the year, you don't have to put in a person right now, who has any type of program with free Ripley, you can go in an entire different direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost a license to go in an entire different direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to put the title on Jade Cargill right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to put the title on Charlotte right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can put it on whoever you want to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep it on Chelsea Green for a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's her big job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let her become this champion, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think they could make her become legitimate, though, as opposed to the scared champion who just luxer way out of?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe the first couple of matches or that, maybe this is a storyline of building confidence, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, kind of like the Maxine, except you're already the champion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, you start winning a couple of matches.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just say that again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's more talented than Maxine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, obviously, a little bit more in the ring talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although Maxine doing what she's doing right now is like her perfect spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's funny with the vision because you took Paul Hamen away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now Brock Lesnar's gone is Paul Hamen taking a break.
[SPEAKER_02]: This Paul Hamen going to have a new charge at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he goes back to the vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is what is next for Paul Hamen?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the family.
[SPEAKER_02]: see I don't like that at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that's what they were setting up there with the whole Bron thing too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just don't like them because they already, you know, Michael Cole, the ending of Summer Slam Night 1 was your next big thing, Obafemi.
[SPEAKER_02]: He beats broccoli.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to make him the new Brock Lesnar.
[SPEAKER_02]: He needs to be Obafemi.
[SPEAKER_02]: There can be some components of the Brock Lesnar package in the Obafemi package, but you're not trying to make him Brock Lesnar because guess what, everyone's just going to keep comparing him to Brock Lesnar.
[SPEAKER_02]: don't give him Paul Haiman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have Paul Haiman do something?
[SPEAKER_02]: Paul Haiman wants to get back involved somehow and see him punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: Paul Haiman wants to get back involved somehow and Seth Rollins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Paul Haiman was, you know, kind of baby faceish, you know, after the Paul, after the Brock Lesnar match and then on RAW, you know, thanking Obofemi and all this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a little bit baby face it faces, so maybe you put him with a baby face, you know, someone who isn't Obofemi.
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I could see them just turning him
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think putting him back with Bronn would be a really good way to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as we've noted, Bronnbreaker is a top five promo in AEW.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just having him, having him cut his promos, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's top 10 in WWE, but he's top five in AEW for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be the real world champion by the end of the week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just come out and claim it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come out and claim it before the main event of a paper view, that you're the real world champ, just because come out with a belt that isn't recognized, come out and say the people in the main event are illegitimate and just keep arguing that for for four years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just keep arguing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was that was Somerslam big show.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was anything notable from from raw because we're all was kind of the finishing touch of Somerslam.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had the promos from Chad Gable the promo from Obofemi your main event Jacob fought to Jacob fought to trying to get him back on the on the right track because they lost their six man tag at Somerslam is Jacob fought to being retconned here to be back in that main event picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not main event picture about to be a monster heal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think that's why they had him kill keys like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they get all the way to money in the bag with LA night.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like LA night.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like I like the program, but I just don't see.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see the heat being continued as he goes through Jimmy and Jay necessarily because Jacob would have to kill him at some point.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing, I mean, if you wanted to comment on that, I'll give you some time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Becky Lynch coming out and just hey I'm a baby face again and I'm the man which is the most this thing eats people alive which is a baby face she comes out and she just kills them on the mic and then they can never get any heat back from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked Becky as kind of a cocky heel who then would get scared every time she got punched in the face and now she's going to be
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like she's just going to go through the entire judgment day pretty much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she comes out and challenges live.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that made her a baby face was that she challenged live.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, it's the same Becky Lynch on screen character that we've seen, like nothing deferred there.
[SPEAKER_03]: True, but she never shows ass when she's a heal in the man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where I mean, when she's a face when she's a heal, she gets, she gets her come up and so on the mic.
[SPEAKER_03]: When she's a baby face, and now you have her kind of doing a baby face, baby face thing with Stephanie of a care to be the number one contender.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's gonna just, and Stephanie, you know, she's, she's, she's promoting in a second language, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: She's gonna get in the live on the stick, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: She very well could.
[SPEAKER_02]: She very well could and, you know, what if she does?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I mean, sometimes, you know, Vince would do this, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You would put two characters on there and let's see who claws their way out and let's see who the fans clamor for more and there there seems to be a little bit of that going on here right now too.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next, let's see, the next paper view.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sunday night's main event, which isn't really a paper view, is coming September 6th.
[SPEAKER_02]: We might have to consider this world's collide events, kind of a WWE PLE in a way, not just NXT, not just AAA.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the breaking news this week was Roman Reigns is going to defend the WWE Championship,
[SPEAKER_02]: a triple a luchador tournament, and then when raw goes to Mexico, he's going to defend the title.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people thought that maybe Roman Reigns would be on world's collide in Chicago, as it goes up against AEW all out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't look like that might necessarily be the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still could, because it's happening after this raw, maybe still could.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what do you make of Roman Reigns,
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to love that race coming for their, I guess he'll chap and go hey, let me make a deal with you to come down to triple a uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that would make sense with El Grande Americana down there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if they put them on this Chicago card would be very, very interesting because they're already out drawing AEW with just the AAA crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I have punk.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Chicago market, the Chicago market has been hot for decades and decades for lucha wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, crazy hot, some of these shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could put CM Punk on the card, maybe not wrestling, maybe just performing in some other type of way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there in Chicago proper versus I believe the was it the whatever heights it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a rosemont.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's at the it's a rosemont horizon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, arena.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's going to be it's going to be that yeah, because all out is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, all outs at the now arena, so they're not doing the United Center for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're in Hoffman, the state's WWE is going to be in rose month and yes, September 26, the big day for professional wrestling in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do you believe that the winner of the Luchador tournament will be all Grande Americano, because I'm struggling to think of any other names.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be outside of maybe a Penta.
[SPEAKER_02]: has to be there that there is big as baby face right now other than other that I mean unless you can put dominate in that position and that would be kind of lame crowd reaction in arena Mexico could be pretty hot for a for a Roman reigns is that where the I got to see where the show's actually happening it's September I believe 14 September 14th
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, while you do that, let me let me state something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wish WWE would stop this pussy footing around and just put their main roster up against an AEW paper view because that's what they want to do and they're just they're just jerk around going, oh, maybe our second stringers can beat them, haha.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, they don't have to and they know it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they're doing it because they don't have to.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to beat you with our undercard shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to, now we might be more human.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's more of a flag plant.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not, I don't need to, I don't need to make it seem like a big war, bigger than that already is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right now I'm, I'm doing this to be a nuisance to you and to pester you and to show that we can.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was worried about, oh, we really have to battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, I could bring a money in the bank paper view to Chicago the same night, put Roman Reigns on the card, put Cody Road, see him punk all these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, you would do great numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's only so many people you can put in an arena.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's capped at the size, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not gonna fill us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not gonna try to run regularly field or soldier field or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: In Chicago, against an AEW show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm showing you that we can run a show in that market, be a little bit of a past, not have any qualms about it and still make the money that we need to make because guess what?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not bringing people away from us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're the ones bringing people away from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not losing a single person out of this deal and we're still out.
[SPEAKER_02]: arena cdmx, which I believe is arena Mexico unless they have one arena Mexico and a arena one arena cdmx, but I believe it's an arena Mexico.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I would think that they'd have two different venues because I would think there'd be like a promotional thing about.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm going to try to find this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a segment we like to call Rob Google's arena cdmx and arena Mexico are two completely different venues.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: for that raw, which is still, I mean, still probably big.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can, I don't know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know all the arenas in Davenport, Iowa.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to know all the arenas in Mexico City.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, Dad, de Mexico, Mexico, I'm not going to know them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I don't know all the, what's the name of the arena in Los Angeles?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nowadays, it's not Staples Center anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's some crypto arena, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, but they don't even run that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They run the one down in Engelwood, the, uh, who the into it doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The into it done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that into it, Dom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff Hawkins, what do you make about why Leonard being exposed for having more offshore deals to circumvent the salary cap?