[SPEAKER_00]: Survivor Specialist John and McKenna are back with Kyle for the last time, not on the channel, but just for bitter or better.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are excited to talk about seasons 46 through 50 and how those firstures impacted the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before we get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle, you get one last plug here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just dropped a cool new video.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's such an original idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Survivor U.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: Winner rankings.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a lovely thing any of those lately.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you were curious at all, what my opinions are, you could go over there and check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll be doing season rankings pretty soon as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, the link to his channel is in the description, but let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to talk survivor 46.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the soda boot, but it's also partnered with the Tim boot, but Tim is not a jury member.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the mandatory boot is Mariah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a theme throughout some of these double tribals are especially when we get to 48 is who do we not want on the jury?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that first tribal council is really that, you know, impactful, like all of us are making the jury except for one, who do we not want on that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second
[SPEAKER_00]: seems like it should be Charlie.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the odd one out.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Maria has immunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Tevin wants to make a big move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Venus wants to make a big move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Soda wants to make a big move.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is almost like a three to one plan that could have happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Soda and Venus are the alternate plans that people are talking about that aren't Charlie.
[SPEAKER_00]: And really Charlie's like, am I good?
[SPEAKER_00]: And Maria's like, I think you're good that it won't be you at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, Soda is our first share of 46.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think just the way she exited the game was indicative of how good of a juror.
[SPEAKER_00]: She would be because though she was devastated, she was devastated, because she loves the game of Survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like she was a pretty good burst juror to have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the things we knew about soda going into 48 states was how involved she is in the survivor community already.
[SPEAKER_01]: She did have an online presence in the survivor community.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we knew that she was a fan of the game and we knew that she was someone who would respect the game a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's really reflective in her.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for Charlie, I think that is how she used the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she really used the game as a March strategic game, and really wanted to compliment some end.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not that saying that Charlie isn't a very strong social player.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's incredibly strong social player as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've said it many times throughout the series that and just in many podcasts in general, like the social game and the strategic game are the same game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we really do need to stop separating them as much as we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it does seem very telling that she's voting for Charlie here, instead of dancing, I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that she spent a lot less time with Kenzie than the rest of the Nami's who other than Hunter all at, or like this Liz also voted Charlie though, so like the Nami's kind of split it, but it is really fascinating to see how soda would approach this in what has become one of the most
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she is pretty much as neutral as you can get for a juror because she spends not a lot of time at all with any of the final three.
[SPEAKER_02]: So so you, it's almost as if she hadn't met them like she had spent a couple of days with them, but it's like these players like soda or like Rebecca from Cook Islands who had like never met anybody from the final threes of their season.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting to see where they put their votes because they're really being influenced.
[SPEAKER_02]: buy a lot of a lot of what they're hearing, but so to even though she can't really contribute to like the games that these people are playing, she can set the tone into different way where like this is what we're looking for as as the jury of this season like this is what I'm looking for and then maybe other people will pick up on that as they come in and sort of change the reframe their their way of thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really important about soda being the bear on the rose on this season is 46 to the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little lot of care, it's often considered like the new era good, but you have a bunch of people who just hate each other the entire time buying it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you think about some of the other people who made the jury phase of this season, people
[SPEAKER_01]: Liz, these are all very large characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And having someone a little more of a tame character in soda, sitting there as kind of your even killed head going in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, obviously she had her cover patients with Venus throughout the pre-merging everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was the whole her being gone out and her thinking it was Venus who was leading the charge and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, because she is a bit
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying so that it isn't the character herself, but she's not the same extent of character as these other people on this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that really does allow for a more methodical approach to this jury than if like even Tavern who goes out after her is the mayor of Bonderosa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In her kind of jury speaks moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, I'm not going to give, I'm not just going to give the money out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to have done something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then at final tribal council, she states her takes on each of the three finalists and then asks,
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that, you know, I've heard a lot of information that can test some of these things, but I want each of you to take 30 seconds to either prove me right or wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Kenzie kind of,
[SPEAKER_00]: for soda, flounders, the question a bit because she's like, I didn't, I didn't need to be the one, you know, pulling the moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could be the one saying, sure, all vote there because that just worked for my social strategy in the game, but Charlie,
[SPEAKER_00]: gave more of a demonstration of how he made moves, setting up his end game to get the people that he needed out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And with her saying, you know, I want people who have done something Charlie presented the best case on people who have somebody who did something in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's also, this is a separate thought, but I wanted to ask, like, we see this split tribal twist come up a few times in the new era where the first tribe votes someone and they're not on the jury, and then the second tribe, they get to decide who's the first juror.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how do you feel?
[SPEAKER_02]: about like half the cast not being able to have a say and who the first juror is and does that have any impact.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we've seen it before on a on a few seasons where pre jury players have made a pre merge players have made the jury.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it has any sort of impact?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think it's it's interesting to not allow half the cast to have a say in such a
[SPEAKER_00]: It does, I, well, like, I feel like we should have the full cast for this because limiting it now to only half of the cast and then just because you got, you know, swap the wrong way if Charlie does go here, um, just because you got swap the wrong way that means you're now on the jury, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it almost should be a wider vote where everybody gets to have their say because it probably wouldn't be Charlie, you know, if if everybody was there or it might not be soda because the plan could have, you know, gotten divulged with that many players, but with such a
[SPEAKER_00]: certain strategy, but again, that's the name of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with kind of this is kind of just the lot that we've been given when it comes to the new era.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, anyone who is a short time listener if the specialist will know that, nobody on this channel is very happy about these posts or post merge swamps.
[SPEAKER_01]: that have mostly, as they happen so soon, it might as well just be a tribe swap and onto itself with, I mean, the blood and the 50 being the most egregious example of it that we've had so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think with what you were asking Kyle, I do think that this is such a pivotal person to go out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talk about how these odd number votes are huge,
[SPEAKER_01]: for momentum swings in survivor and then putting this double tribal care really does kind of prevent that from happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I think it's incredibly detrimental to the outcomes of the season to have these half of the cats deciding to the first sure is and more importantly, have the cats deciding who doesn't make the jury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think having that opportunity to vote someone out prior to the jury, and knowing that you're voting them out prior to the jury, is
[SPEAKER_01]: really important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's honestly a bit surprising.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen one of these split tribals thrown to get someone out to prevent them from being on the jury yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be interesting if they did this twist and they didn't tell you which tribe was going first or second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they didn't tell the players.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now maybe in some ways that could be unfair due to withholding information, but they withhold so much other information that I feel like it, you know, try it out, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just just try it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it has to be based on
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, yeah, I mean, I think it's a practice is that need to be followed because there are different amounts based on whether you make the jury or whether you not make the jury being there or longer otherwise, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think because of the monetary value, like they have to announce whether or not you're making the jury.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder.
[SPEAKER_00]: In, um, in all of these episodes aside from 47, um, because there's the auction, they win, the, um, one team wins reward.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every first juror has been on the winning team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if the feast and the food,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, is taking away from that time to strategize and scramble.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now it's even more of a condensed timeline for even less of, you know, plans to either leak or shift or change or move, um, uh, I wonder if that has any impact on, you know, who becomes the first year?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be mostly because I think people
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at how people play in the new era, especially in the, and we have to just look at these five seasons as they are in the new era with the strategy is, and then fill mentioned it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the winners podcast when you're talking with us on Island last week that the strategy that's become predominant in the new era is kind of the same as Australian survivor, where it's the Lalo and then start picking up your views or is the end of the season and I swear I had a point that I was making with this and I.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that that's a really viable strategy on like the brother as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's like the prevailing dominant strategy is to do that, but I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, with the swaps and the merge like that kind of stuff is so unreliable because don't know who you're going to be with.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think I just always favor a more proactive, more proactive strategy just going out there and and making things happen because you can lay low and we've seen plenty of times we're laying low can can bite you in the ass because you're unconnected and you go home.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it can't work.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just need to hope that things go on your favor to make that strategy pay off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember at the point I was trying to make.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because because people tend to lay low, they don't really get aggressive at these big sit downs with food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one instance I can really think of it in the new era.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's gay blood for you, for you, for you, for you, for you, for you, for you, with literally the moment he pops up and then he sinks back down again afterwards and most people are too afraid to be that aggressive in a full group set up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we have a good point that the tribe that's winning this reward and then sending someone home, they're putting to a situation where they're supposed to be together the entire time and it does prevent side conversations, but all it takes is one person being a little bold to push the narrative and it could change everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think players are now in a place where
[SPEAKER_00]: So soda, um, bitter or better, better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I say better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think just like I actually isn't the biggest character on this season, really does help, even though she is not terribly dominant in this final travel council.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that everyone that was like this final that would travel
[SPEAKER_01]: 30 seconds for a soda's question though and you kept time yeah it's true but because of that I think she's definitely better she isn't the most overbearing personality which let's some of these other personalities really come out in a final tribal council but I think she's a good grounding force for this jury
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so now because this is a double tribal, I want to add Tim into the mix here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tim and Soda, Tim technically would be the first sure, but Tim and Soda together, does Tim's presence impact anything with this jury?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he was looked at to be a little bit more chaotic, but then,
[SPEAKER_00]: Q really blew that out of proportion, I feel, but Tim just kind of put his foot in his mouth early and then, I don't know, I feel like he wouldn't, he and soda would have been kind of the same here, but we could now have a Charlie win or tie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then if they're, if they're on the jury together, it would be a five to four vote, but you're right, if if if if Tim's if Tim's presence could he could he flip one more person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a good grasp on on Tim's influence to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really hard to see what he would do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could he talk to Maria.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was kind of close with Maria, so I mean, as he talked her out of that, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if the whole six of it all plays into Tim being on the jury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is that a talk then with, could you possibly sway Q away from voting for Kenzie because it's a six?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in place Tim in the six.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: None of the original aspects.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have Mariah, Mo, adding her in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly think she would, she, I don't think she has much influence, but I don't know where her vote would lie because I could see her voting, you know, with Charlie, she's been on the beach within the longest, but I also could see like her having one good conversation with Kenzie and being like she's my girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: This feels like a real classic like the jury wants to vote for who their games don't reflected in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Verizon slammed on quote for Kenzie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Kyle, unless you have anything to I don't I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, heading over to 47, our first jur is Sierra, and then Tiana made the merge but not the jury, and Rome is our
[SPEAKER_00]: Sierra came out one of the most money at the auction and then she got the Margarita automatically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we know, Sierra's out of the game because the Margarita curse.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then she purchases chocolate and peanut butter and she gets to share it with two people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another social thing that they have going on and she actually shares it with
[SPEAKER_00]: which is surprising because they're looking to go with teeny and Genevieve Saul side of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So her sharing with Caroline and Gabe is kind of maybe, you know, placating the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sierra and Sam are looked at as this tight duo.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when push comes to shove down when we get to tribal council, it's going to be either Sam or Sierra going home here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really just a battle
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Tina's internal battle because Tina wants to keep Sierra wants to get rid of Sam, but then people want Rachel to go and it's just like this big, it's going to be one of these three yellows and then it ultimately winds up on Sierra after so much back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go first John, I just, I don't know what to save us here because here is not if you have me neither.
[SPEAKER_01]: She just doesn't feel like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Sierra as a juror spent the most time with both of these capsules right right she started on the same starting tribe as.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel and Sam Rachel and Sam, obviously not too much shoe, but Sue's got the non-tactor in this fight-of-governmental council.
[SPEAKER_00]: My hometown hero don't knock her out of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't knock her out of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I respect for Sue, but only grew from this season, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just like a Sierra's story in this season is so tied up in the fact that everyone thinks he's having a relationship
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of overshadows her strategic thought process in this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not a hundred percent sure why she votes for Rachel over Sam here when Sam was her closest ally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also she like endorses Sam and her jury speaks to like it must have been something at final tribal council that really
[SPEAKER_02]: say I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I think is an instance of like the first juror being like back influenced right like it's like they are not an influential figure and they take on whatever you know prevailing thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: is coming in from from the rest of the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that Sam like completely out talks Rachel at this final travel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think Red Bull does not have a very good performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Sam has a great one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that would really surprise me if if
[SPEAKER_02]: If Rachel said something that that pushed Sierra over the edge, it's possible I would just be surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think as an instance where like a lot of people had their minds made up and Sierra just kind of went along with the group here because then it would just be her and Kyle voting for Sam.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if she wanted one of that or just wanted to be in the majority.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had kind of forgotten, like, not really, but that she had started the same tribe with Rachel, because it's like you think her and Sam and Rachel is really like just a foot note in Sierra's game and same with the other way around, it's like they don't really have that much going on together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I think one of Sierra's big factors in the game is Andy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a whole big segment here and that leads to her downfall in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if the blind side of Andy from Rachel,
[SPEAKER_00]: because Sierra thinks she has Andy in her pocket, they do actually have a decent relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if Andy being like, I did this thing and Rachel just pulled one over on me completely, that, you know, maybe that could have influenced her a bit, or
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even think C.R.
[SPEAKER_00]: is doing the emulate the game you wish you played.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe because she was pretty decent at challenges and she was pretty physical so maybe you know that challenge aspect spoke to C.R.
[SPEAKER_00]: So her vote does really just confuse me on how she came to the conclusion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also interesting that they voted for her instead of Sam here like
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have a good point because it was a tie, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a tie and so they said fear was the head of the snake.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is a physical threat and that she was just kind of the head of the snake of between Sam and
[SPEAKER_00]: Sierra, I think it was always going to be one of those two because they were a known duo, even though, like, Genevieve wanted to get out Rachel because she was more of a threat, you know, all around, but Rachel wasn't gaining traction even though a lot of people were like, yeah, she is the biggest threat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do remember this was like a really big
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, point of contention with that majority, where they, Yeah, so, and then I, I wonder if it came down to like, well, Andy, we need you as a number.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you want?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, what do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was a lot closer with Sam.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that had to play some part in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of like how a Trish flipped cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you tell us who you want to go for, okay, you were your closer with Sam will go out Sierra here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that had something to do with it as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's easy to say in hindsight, like I asked that question, but it's like, it's, oh, Sam's the runner up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, of course, why wouldn't you go to that?
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, you don't know that at the final 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think part of it comes out with the fact that Sam,
[SPEAKER_01]: is a much more measured player when playing from the bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, he's a much more predictable player than I think Sierra would have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think him playing from the bottom, obviously he'd like masterfully placed from the bottom in this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think Sierra, there's a fear of Sierra that's kind of just builds off of stereotypes in survivor and confirmation bias throughout survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what happens when you put the woman on the bottom?
[SPEAKER_01]: when it's someone who is social and strategic, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone like Sierra is very dangerous when put into that position because you won't ever see her coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone like San, you kind of always see coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, we have Operation Adolea a little bit later, but you always know because San has this era of desperation around him throughout the season of how he's working through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: that I think he's just so much more predictable player than Sierra would have been, which is why ultimately it leads to Sierra going home here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this weird vote, this is the one where Sierra got a revote, but Sam didn't get a re-out, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sam lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he lost in the tribal council, so Sierra was able to cast a vote for Sam because they don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they don't know nullify.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that being said, again, I still don't understand see her as the decision to vote Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Based almost shown to us in the edit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, that's the most confusing thing of it all is the only thing I can I can bring from that is series question is personal series final travel question is you know Rachel and Sam I played my game closest with you both and I really got to know you want a personal level and we discussed times at home when we hit rock bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: and how we overcame that rock bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really just want to know how you translated that into the game when you hit a low, what did you do to overcome the low, and how does that reflect why you should be the name I'm writing down tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe, you know, these personal stories between Sam and Rachel and then Gabe later saying, hey, Sue, I personally want to hear this from you, but why, you know, Sam and Rachel ultimately gets her vote and Sam doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she is basic first-year, this is also the tribal council where Rachel plays her trauma-up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just she and swear, I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Sarah just switched back to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's back to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe that's like the game moves up the set over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Tiana, if she is added into this jury as the first-year,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we still see the same thing happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same outcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I would say.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine so because I don't think she's swaying enough people for it and not to be a regular way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's not like five people or however.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Rome, if Rome is now the first.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of, this kind of goes back to what I was saying, 46, where having soda and 40 sets just like helps calm things down a little bit in the jury.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, but you have all these large personalities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Having a large personality like Rome means anything to that, but the child will tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if it completely changed the tone of this child, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the jury because the big thing is this jury's quite respectful and I think a lot of that does come down to like Sierra's mannerisms and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even when, you know, Andy's saying things like, actually you're playing a game that survivors have done gone all the time like why should we respect your game.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is very much like it never feels like he's just disrespecting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel in that moment, it feels like he's so he's genuinely asking a question like super band is super band is like, why should we consider you to win?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think having someone like wrong there, could really change that vibe on that, uh, on that jury?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on to 48.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, you know, the biggest conversation that we have of who do we not want on the jury.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so our first
[SPEAKER_00]: This is also a double tribal council and say goes home in the first tribal council and charity is our Marjoratory boot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, Sedrick is swapped terribly.
[SPEAKER_00]: His only saving grace is them voting Shain out and that's what he runs with.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's not much
[SPEAKER_00]: to this vote out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty self-explanatory.
[SPEAKER_00]: He also thinks that, say, his name down at the previous tribal council, so his name is now out there, but he kind of wrote off, says, I think I would have known the handwriting when she actually did write his name down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he's just on the out and he just, he goes, there's no real big grandiose gesture here, but I think he is a great first-er because he is so level-headed and can take in the people who have gotten burned by the honor and integrity because, you know, Kyle twisted some words and like
[SPEAKER_00]: air out your grievances and then chill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think Cedric wins the Haley Ford award for the first juror of the new era.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is really like the main conversation comes with with say, right, and her not being on the jury and like,
[SPEAKER_02]: voting out her for that reason and keeping mission the game like that that decision is definitely like the highlight the focal point of the episode certainly of this looking back on it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because Cedric, I mean, what does he bring to to the jury and and and he you said he brings that level headedness, which he does, but he votes for Joe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like,
[SPEAKER_02]: everyone deserves to everyone does deserve a vote and I like Joe right I think Joe, you know, he's he plays a solid game, but you know, he's he's said Rick is the only one, so it's like he's kind of out of the loop on the jury, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he, he proves really that he didn't have that big of an impact.
[SPEAKER_02]: on this on this jury, like you can set a tone as the first juror, but if the rest of the group is like completely against that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's not influencing him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Them, they're not an influence.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean, mellowing them, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the biggest things about sad trick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than the fact that he is the only reason Joe is not a two-time zero finalist, zero finalist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think the biggest thing I got out of Cedric is Cedric isn't the type of juror who will allow someone else to tell them how to think.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the big, and it's not in like an aggressive way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people like butt heads about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Cedric just like how you guys do what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want it's show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think what he really really value Joe's game and what Joe presented in the game and just like the fact that
[SPEAKER_01]: As we kind of saw in 50 Joe's a bit stubborn and really a big head of about the way to approach things and as a very like my way or the highway approach, I think said drick is just
[SPEAKER_01]: of an age where that's a little bit more acceptable, and it makes them a line more of Joe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a very much an instance of someone voting for the way that they wish they could play in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, now here's something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at the recruits in applicants chart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wish I could remember who made this chart so that we could give him a shout out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Sedrick, the note is he originally
[SPEAKER_02]: And that helps make that put this more in the context, where it's like you're right, he is older, he's on the older side.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that would be around redemption of island.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially, it's the dark ages.
[SPEAKER_02]: For one world, yeah, it's dark ages.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, you would just seem a lot of people dominating the game and sticking with their alliance.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, had presumably watched a lot of old school survivor, like that's a lot of what the show was at this point was, you know, the old school seasons where you're sticking with your alliance.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it really does make a lot of sense that that's the way he thinks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think there's the that he said instance at the tribal council where he's flipping a floppy between say and Justin to the side who's going home.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think his vote in this jury is reflective of that in which he looks back at that and says, you know, I flipped and flopped and like tried to like went back and forth in my decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to stick to my guns this time and vote the way I want to vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if I can't convince anyone else to vote that way, even though based on the edit, we still don't really understand why Joe didn't get all the votes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all very much respect Kyle's win, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: the edit is just like, doesn't quite do it justice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, but I think it does really show why sadric would relate to some of my trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, they chose to use sadricks clip for Eva, saying that she's a physical beast made relationships with people who had her best interests in advancing in the game, which I'm surprised and see is the only one who votes for Joe that they didn't use a sound by four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe, I'm sure they have plenty of people talking about Eva or they made everybody talk about all the all three of them to be able to pick and choose.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I am surprised that they didn't put him talking about Joe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I respect this vote.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to make that clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I like that saidric is voting for who, for who he wants to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think that we could
[SPEAKER_02]: quite frankly in in the new era because we do get a lot of landslide votes and this is not one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is more of a split vote.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wish more people would do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just know why they don't, you know, because it's like, you know, if I was on the jar out of Kyle because I think God played the best game, but like I think it's more interesting when people are voting based off of their like you said what they want to see how they would want to play and all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm going to sidebar this for a second because I think I think it's kind of relevant is to what Kyle saying here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Part of the reason why we kind of see these like load on votes and why we usually have a zero go finalist is because of the discrepancy between the pricing for second and third place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there being a difference in the prize money for second and third place antiquated by the fact that we've had final three's almost consistent relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: should there be a difference in the prize money that two people who said that final example council yet lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is that influence in the way that juries are approaching final tribal council.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we definitely know that it does come, yeah, something like winners at war, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, when it's a worst kind of a bad example, because like we know Michelle doesn't get those because there is fear that Natalie would win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in San Juan del Cerve, you know, we saw that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think via this voted for Monica specifically to get her second place money.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's an interesting thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's okay still to have to have second place because it's like if you if you get more votes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you should, but you know, that's that's a good thought because it really is one of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what the reasoning is, it's their reason to vote for them to be in that basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want Monica to have second place over Jarvis, that's what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just wondering in this situation like this, like, is that why we don't see more people like such or accepting up and voting for that third finalist?
[SPEAKER_01]: And why don't we see zero vote finalists, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because there are scared that they're taking money away from who they would prefer to have second place.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd have to talk to somebody about that serious.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting as someone who has who has voted for a completely random person as as a jury member.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for the only person to do so, I think it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think everybody's here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, I've been your taste.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, all right, say is now on the jury.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's say and sadric together because they get voted out the same day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly don't think she's going to be as bad on the jury as people veered her to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: She just lost the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that she would not be this chaotic figure on the jury.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she would come into it with complete respect for the game and thinking logically about who she's voting for.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see John with the skeptical look.
[SPEAKER_02]: season 48 aired and I can't agree with you, you know, that's that is a good point, but I will.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think it's interesting because she spent the most of her time with people who went home pre-Jerry.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is another instance where it's like a pretty neutral person to who is in the final three.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder how she, how she would have voted.
[SPEAKER_02]: who would she have been better at if she was if she was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that I think is the key as to why they decided they had to vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, before she was able to go on the jury, the problem wasn't so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is she going to do it because I think because Kyle voted outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe she does, you know, even more sway the votes toward Kyle if she is angered by her vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even think it's a question of like, is she going to be angered by her voter or anything like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the problem is, say he's a wild card.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not what you want on your journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then what you are crafting a jury to win the game, which is a skill that I think is really underappreciated in the survivor community.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Phil talks about it all the time of like Brian Hype and how he plays the game for a single vote to win the vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: or to win the game, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he plays for that single vote from Jake, in order to make sure he beats play.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a very underrated skill within the community, and not enough people talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the problem with say being on the jury is you don't know where she's going to vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone like Cedric, that's a reliable vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: You at least know, Cedric going home as first or even for someone like Kyle, who he ultimately doesn't vote for, Kyle is at least a logical person and knows that Cedric is too a logical person that he can appeal to a sense of reason to.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't necessarily do that with someone like say and that's where the danger of putting her on the jury truly lies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex mentions here, she would have been a negative for whoever she was advocating for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've seen that before to where it's like your boasting for someone, but then, you know, that robs other jurors the wrong way, so she could tank a game that someone was playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's also the thing to consider that people just didn't want to spend the rest of the game with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's also very true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's like there's reason to think that they could have voted out Chrissy here to be honest because at Tribal she's talking about how she wants to see people flipping and making moves and she doesn't want to see a big group stayed together and they look at their like I can't what like that's the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the game we're playing right now and yeah Chrissy you're supposed to be in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not somebody that I would want on the jury if I was them and it came at travel council.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's too late, but it's like, you know, there's there's something to seriously consider about having her I wouldn't want that on the jury.
[SPEAKER_00]: But would you want charity on the jury?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's our Marjoratory boot.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a better option than say or said Rick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it should be more influential than the other two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's what I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you would have a little bit more say, no pun intended, as to which way the jury may sway a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think this is a folk Kyle was winning no matter what in the end anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think charity being there would be things a little more interesting because I think she just has a bit more powerful voice than secretary does and I think that's what it comes down to is said drink to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Reases the type of person who.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you kind of get's like tired old man vibes by the end, by the time he gets voted out of this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's kind of just a proccisionary of like, I'm tired guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing what I want.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys do what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think charity would be a little more vocal in this instance instead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is also another instance of the person who went home in fourth place was going to win slam dunk if she had made it to the end in in Camilla from what the jury has said supposedly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's another factor with perhaps contributes to the jury being like kind of more spread out.
[SPEAKER_00]: true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, moving on to survivor 49, our merge boot and also first-year is Nate and pretty much
[SPEAKER_00]: He just gets got by Joann and Sage flipping the whole episode is centered around Joann and Sage and what they're doing and how they're playing double agent and making sure it's they're strong with
[SPEAKER_00]: their old tribe mates, but then also, you know, going over to Steven and be like, all right, we're good, you know, we're going to get somebody else somebody from the other side out, um, and then it just comes down to who we think we know Rizzo has the idol and we think if anybody
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, there's the sprinkling of like, why don't we just go for Rizzo because he's not playing as I don't, he feels comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it really just winds up being Nate and that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that Nate is a really impactful juror.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that he is someone who commands a lot of respect and gives a lot of respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that Nate, he's a big reason why I think Rizzo might have had a real chance to actually win if he had made it to the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: because Nate and Brazil were close.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nate would have campaigned for Brazil and backed Brazil's game.
[SPEAKER_02]: And someone like that, I think, is like an excellent person to have in your corner and have as the first juror.
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously Savannah and Brazil didn't have anything to do with Nate being on the jury.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it certainly is a benefit that it did happen and they did make it far and Savannah made it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think Nate's impact is is extraordinary on this jury.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was going to say like though Savannah and Rizzo didn't want him out first, it's good that he was first for them eventually because he's impacting.
[SPEAKER_00]: that jury because people do really like Nate, and he has an influence, and so he's kind of just spreading that ooly love throughout the jury a little bit for certain people to absorb.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like, especially if you look at contrast from Nate to
[SPEAKER_01]: the exciting uncle you want to spend time with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he really gives that off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think because of that people really looked up to Nate on the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was significantly, if I'm honest, I can significantly older than the rest of this jury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's 12 years older than the next person on the church.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he is significantly older than everyone else on the jury.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because of that, he really does have this era of like respect around you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where I think people really do appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the fact that he goes out here in like the Edgarville level in all situations and it's like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the idolizing community played on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's really unfortunate for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the end, there's no way one of Savannah and Rizzo weren't winning with him as Mayor Ponderosa, because he does that, I think it was okay with people because he has a demand that they could respect from people and he would do nothing but talk them up for the entire time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think it really really shows the impact that Nate had in the fact that Sophie Belarity.
[SPEAKER_02]: did not win because I feel like on paper, this tummy looks like a Sophie ballerity like win 100% locked in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was on this jury, she is getting my vote.
[SPEAKER_02]: And and she doesn't even even sage plays like a really clean game navigates the game well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Savannah who plays like kind of a rough and tumble game I guess say.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she wins over to like really really worthy finalists is is the biggest demonstration of why Nate is so impactful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a theme with what three at least of our seasons here, like Kenzie Charlie was like the kind of winner in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Sam in 47, but Rachel, you know, the rougher game wound up getting the votes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's actually an interesting point too of like.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how did the, you know, Nate influenced everybody to kind of go toward this, you know, it's not a perfect game, but it's still very strong and dominant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think having an older person as your first year in this instance, when you have someone, as rough around the edges of it, and that's not by any means saying that in a derogatory way around Savannah, she's just not a perfect character, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She has her flaws, and I think that's really important, and I think that is why people do like Savannah, and I think that's why production said, okay, you have to be on season 50 out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because of those flaws, those character flaws do you?
[SPEAKER_01]: the fact that Savannah likes taunting people, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that she really likes calling people out on their ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's really, really important when it comes to Savannah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think having someone like Nate there, who is older to reflect on that, to be like, just kind of flaws.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, like, don't we all, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the type of energy that Nate really brings to this jury, where it's like, yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, safe blindsided me, so I've never voting for her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Savannah might have like kind of made you look like an idiot you want to go to the other travel council, but she didn't a really good way, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Nate was like on the outs for like, I don't know, the first half hour of of of the game, but it's like being on the older side, he's going to have a little bit hard over time fitting in on a younger cast and Savannah.
[SPEAKER_02]: brings him in right to the majority and like makes him feel included.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I'm I think that's the only reason why he would vote for.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that gets her off to a good start, right, that's a first impression that's going to last.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he, he would pay her for it here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's, it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would also be
[SPEAKER_00]: not too bad for Sage either say Savannah and Rizzo were both on the jury if Nate was her first year or two because Sage was pushing hard for Savannah to go home over Nate in that case.
[SPEAKER_00]: She also spent a decent amount of time with Sage so I think
[SPEAKER_00]: the I think the addition of Nate as the firstger plus the many swaps that went on in the season created for a decent juror environment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nate bitter better better, okay, like maybe a little bitter towards saves, but definitely not like bitter in the program and definitely just a better juror to have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually am kind of surprised now that we've been talking about this that this architect doesn't end up as our first juror more often in the new era.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be cut, especially with like our new era cast of skewed a little holder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then some cats, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we are definitely more of an average into our late 20s early 30s now, rather than are early to mid 20s, like we did in previous areas of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised this like older, respected person doesn't end up our Mareponderosa more often.
[SPEAKER_00]: true true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, our last season, Survivor 50, our first her is D. D was the inspiration for this podcast with her boot in 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: it was it's going to be really great to revisit that um we also had the blood moon right before this but they also made the merge of Camilla Genovieve and Colby um so uh uh i this whole episode just kind of made me mad um rewatching it because we have Jonathan
[SPEAKER_00]: poking, poking D, needleing D, just to make her blow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he wants to do it on purpose to get a rise out of her and he succeeded and he's happy about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: She already has a target on her back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Jonathan really didn't need to do this to push people over the edge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just kind of like ruffled coach the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, for Dee and nobody else was really taking this, you know, blow up, I feel, in my opinion, into a factor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically because Dee is a huge threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a previous winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: She really should go out before she gets legs in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: People did want to keep her, but not enough to throw their games on the line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know, Surrey was like, I'd like to keep D around because D is a great shield for Surrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then she blabbed about, um, Rizzo's idol to a few people and that's really what song her game is that moment to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I de-so-fapsing because I think, okay, I'm gonna put it up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like, de-stapsing me better, but there is nothing in me that would ever tell me de is not a bitter juror, but she's also better because her approach at how she approaches Fiosciabla Council with her what she says at Fiosciabla Council is much, but it's like, really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we also know de is a character, she's a bitter person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she is bitter towards people in the game and there's no way she's not heavily influencing this jury towards Aubrey over Jonathan over the way the Jonathan treated her and I'm not saying like in a bad way I'm saying like I fully so she was treated like shit by Jonathan.
[SPEAKER_01]: However.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, especially if you've been keeping up with like, just today and today and what she's doing over there with these players, but it is like, I think she's better, but that's not necessarily a bad thing in this case and it's a very different bitterness than what we've seen from previous bitter jerks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess so that's why I was like on pause for that for a second because it's like she's she's justifiably bitter just in the case of Jonathan saying I riled D up on purpose and like that is
[SPEAKER_00]: So frustrating and would also make me not want to vote for Jonathan and it doesn't feel like a strategic move like she's already got a target.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to make it bigger and she already, you know, she clearly did things in the game to make her target even bigger by, you know, talking about the idol.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: And in addition with her final tribal council speech, that's why I'm just really on the fence of like bitter or better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's both.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's no, there's no other way because I think she's justifiably bitter, but if she was the first juror on another season, or Jonathan was not in the final three, I don't think she would be a bitter juror.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think the D, I think this is overall a somewhat bitter jury or just a jury that was voting like self admittedly for Aubrey as a legacy vote, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was, it was to get Aubrey a win.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time though, it's like, who, it's understandable why you wouldn't want to vote for Joe Warjohn, I think, right, it's not like, oh, the story was better and there was clearly a better option or at least an option the audience thought was better.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, in this instance, I, I get it, right, I feel like add another point to make, but I agree with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree that she was that she was both because she's definitely better against Jonathan and that it's Jonathan's fault, but it's the fact of the matter, and But she's great at at final tribal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did a I did a ranking as I as I often do of the jurors and how how good of jurors I thought they were on
[SPEAKER_02]: on a season and I had D at number one because like she just I thought that she helped the pace of the tribal.
[SPEAKER_02]: She gave everybody a fair chance to speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: One other people were jumping in there and came paying it too hard for someone else like I know that's the right is a juror but I like the way that de-orchestrated the conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other point was with Jonathan riling D up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could understand that from a strategy perspective, but he did it, they show it in the episode as if he does it like in the morning, but apparently he did it like right before tribal council when D was like for sure going home.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the part that's really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if he did it earlier, I could, I could semi understand, I still think that you're going to piss a lot of people off, but I could understand the reasoning, but the timing in which
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's literally the last memory this person is going to have you going to the jury with someone as influential as D is like, you know that he's a winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has a lot of respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to be a big influence on the jury.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's one of the biggest things to consider with the, uh, even in watching survivor 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it was the blood that the episode I turned to my friends is your awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, I probably do anything to you told me to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, she's that type of person.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has that type of like Christmas around her and That's how she plays the game and that's how she is in the game and I could see I think de is someone incredibly influential that has a Maripond Rosa and could absolutely change the results of the game I think if you had a split jury Going into something decould definitely be the person to be like no
[SPEAKER_01]: We're changing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly, if she doesn't end up winning big brother, seeing her on that jury.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be surprised if she single-handedly decides who wins this season of big brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because she's that type of person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think also,
[SPEAKER_00]: She's just like, she's just that good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I feel like the contestants on Big Brother versus survivor feel like she's able to manipulate them a bit more than some of the survivor players.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think D is on a short list of, you know, people I would, if I were to ever play a game with someone that I would, you know, lay down my, my game and be like, I will send for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have me in your pocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Surrey also one of them, like, I related so hard to, you know, to Izzy and during baby brother because I was like, yes, you could win.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, like, she just has a way about her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she is a great first-year, and I think that people should look at how she handled this tribal council and say, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be more like her if I end up either at any point in the jury because just saying you can advocate for someone but just watch how you advocate for them was I think such an influential part of that final tribal council, at least to me because that was that is the moment that sticks
[SPEAKER_00]: the way you're phrasing certain things is intimidating other people and Joe was like really thankful because he was also kind of on edge a little bit during Stephanie's speech.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if more people were to turn out like a D on a jury, I think it would be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make another thing to consider about D being the mayor of La Rosa.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is only the second
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, and I think that is really important to consider because this is someone who's been to the end and has conquered them out to the right right that would be what Amber, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, are us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and are us.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's she's a second like she's the second not have to be a winner to be
[SPEAKER_01]: to be the marathoner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like now we talked about RS was like, basically, I'll put it to be in there by Tyson and D getting there is a very different position.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think having a previous winner is the marathoner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rose is a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a good player if you say, no, it's a really good thing because this is something you're just going to respect absolutely everything you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that has been our series.
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been such a good series.
[SPEAKER_00]: So fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad Kyle, you agreed to do this with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a blast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any final thoughts on our firstures being better, better, basic, bland, whatever else we have concocted throughout the world?
[SPEAKER_02]: with another series with some crazy words.
[SPEAKER_02]: John, before we went live, we were struggling to think of jurors, first jurors who were on the wrong side of the vote.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we thought about it for a few minutes and we could only come up with five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now there's probably a few more, but we were really struggling to come up with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: The jurors either have a big impact or they're around long enough to absorb opinions and have like a be able to have an educated discussion on on the jury because they see it from the audience's perspective, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're on the jury bench.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they have a little bit more from where we see it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They see the game playing out as we do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think either way they have
[SPEAKER_02]: an interesting and unique approach to how they're voting and I think it's been really fascinating to discuss.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've loved being out of it and had a lot of fun, so I appreciate, appreciate you having me on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Kyle and John wrap up thoughts for bitter or better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what this exercise has really taught us is that the first the first sugar is quite impactful in most seasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's there's a few outliers where they aren't, but for the most part, they can be one of the most important foods in the entire season.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can make your breakfast season and while they could be better and it can sway things the wrong way, somebody with great jury management and
[SPEAKER_01]: can put the perfect person in place to ensure that they win the game so they get to the end of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a position that, unfortunately, doesn't get a lot of highlighting in the edit, and Kyle brought up a really good point.
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of have an audience's view of the game, and quite frankly, they see less of the game than we do as an audience, because they don't get these edited version showing them exactly what they took people looking out for.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just get hearsay from every single person who gets one of them afterwards, who also has their own personal biases and agendas coming into every single moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have a very important role in survival.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what makes survival so unique in the first place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is part of what makes survival the greatest game in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: The entire concept of having to vote people out who then vote for you at the end of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the core tenants of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first person there who can have the most influence is so important and if anything, if any future survival takes anything
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just no your jury and no your first juror because that is going to be the person who will be there the longest, who will be analyzing every piece of information that comes to them and who can make or break your game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I was playing survivor, I would probably be most concerned with getting this vote right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That that would be the vote that I that I put the most thought into because it can really break it more make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it has been a blast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, everybody, for following along with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been so much fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will see you on the next series that we wind up doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The amazing race is coming back in the fall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay tuned to see Kyle then and then we're starting coverage on the challenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It starts tomorrow at 9 p.m. Um, so that's going to be so much fun to bring the challenge back.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're on 42 in the last time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We covered it on the YouTube was 36.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and the only time we covered it on the YouTube channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, great to 36 wasn't the great to be able to read a season to introduce someone to the challenge on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you by these first two episodes already, 42 is going to be a much better season to cover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So stay tuned for that and we'll be getting into survivor coverage before you know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Phil and Blaker also covering surviving bar stool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, starting next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it premieres on the night, but Phil's going to be flying then, so they'll be covering the premiere a little later than that, but they'll be doing that twice a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, McKenna, Alex and I are going to be covering the challenge and some of you so much fun, because the challenge is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are some phenomenal survivors on the challenge this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, there are survivors who
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about at times throughout the series.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the first year is actually, most of our finals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, one of them just missed being a first year.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let me tell you, there's so much more fun on the challenge than they are on survivors.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like the video, subscribe to the channel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do all the things.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you again, Kyle, for joining us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will see you next time.