[UNKNOWN]: This is Jocobodcast number 552, with Eccotronos and me, Jocobo-Willink, good evening, Eccot, good evening.
[UNKNOWN]: The sniper has special abilities, training and equipment.
[UNKNOWN]: His job is to deliver discriminatory, highly accurate rifle fire against enemy targets, which cannot be engaged successfully by the riflemen because of range, size, location, fleeting nature, or visibility.
[UNKNOWN]: A sniper's training incorporates a wide variety of subjects designed to increase his value as a force multiplier and to ensure his survival on the battlefield.
[UNKNOWN]: The art of sniping requires learning and repetitiously practicing these skills until mastered.
[UNKNOWN]: A sniper must be highly trained in long-range rifle marksmanship and field craft skills to ensure maximum effective engagements with minimum risk.
[UNKNOWN]: and that right there is a quote from the U.S. Army field manual 23 attack 10 sniper training gives a pretty good overall look at what a sniper does and there are many, many skills that snipers develop or they amplify that are not only good for combat and good for long range target introduction but also many of these skills are good for other aspects of life as well.
[UNKNOWN]: and to talk about some of these skills and how they apply across the board we have with us once again my brother JP to know JP has been on this podcast I think six times before he is the chief training officer at echelom front our leadership consultancy I originally met him when we were at SIL team three together he was the point man and then lead sniper in Delta Pultoon
[UNKNOWN]: In the battle of Ramadi, we're used a multitude of skills, machine gunner, point man, a soldier, and, of course, sniper, where he executed the sniper mission exactly as it is explained in military doctrine, quote,
[UNKNOWN]: The primary mission of a sniper in combat is to support operations by delivering precise long-range fire on selected targets.
[UNKNOWN]: By this, the sniper creates casualties among enemy troops, slows enemy movement, frightens enemy soldiers, lowers enemy morale, and adds confusion to enemy operations.
[UNKNOWN]: and that right there is exactly what J.P. did and he did it with extraordinary effectiveness.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, back once again, J.P. didn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Good seeing you, brother.
[UNKNOWN]: In town for the 20th anniversary of Tasking Abuser.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So we got a bunch of the boys coming into town.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's going to be good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be back.
[UNKNOWN]: It'll be over by the time this comes out, so that's why I don't mind saying we're going to be here in course.
[UNKNOWN]: We got a night at one of our go-to bars and then we have a night that the UDG seal museum in San Diego has opened up the museum for us at night.
[UNKNOWN]: We're having food and drinks and whatnot.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course then on Sunday we're going to go visit our boys at Rose Grants.
[UNKNOWN]: So Mark and Mikey and Seth,
[UNKNOWN]: and Chris and Ryan are not buried there, but of course we'll be thinking about them as well.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Ramadi was, I don't know if we could create a better environment for a sniper than Ramadi.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be tough to create a better environment for a sniper.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: It was interesting when I had General McFarland on and I've always had this thought in my head but I've never really set it aloud.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, not only did he say it, but getting ready for that podcast, I was reading articles where he had been interviewed, and he said that putting in the combat outposts was like bait for the insurgents so that the snipers could kill the insurgents.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's pretty awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: And to do that over and over and over and over and over again was again You're not going to get much better of an environment than Ramadi for a sniper.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree and What you said over and over and over and over and
[UNKNOWN]: That's an understatement because the environment in Ramadi was target rich because of how many evil people were there, how many insertion fighters were that we're just doing as you've talked multiple times on his podcast just horrific things to the local populace and I love that you said I'm sorry I love that you use the word support in there because
[UNKNOWN]: you know, as a sniper, it's really cool to have that title and to be a sniper.
[UNKNOWN]: And you can definitely feed into the egotistical side of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, I'm the sniper.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm one of the lead snipers.
[UNKNOWN]: But you and Dave and Seth did a phenomenal job.
[UNKNOWN]: reiterating what our job was was to protect those soldiers, Marines and our seals that were on the ground to support them in their Clarences in the operations.
[UNKNOWN]: And if we did our job well, we got to kill evil people.
[UNKNOWN]: So for me it was the best thing ever.
[UNKNOWN]: And because of that target
[UNKNOWN]: it really allowed us to progress those skill sets to try things new, real time.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the movie warfare that opening scene where they're in the sniper hide, those loophole charges, I came up with that on a rooftop, just talking with the guys and then was talking with one of our breachers, you know, because the rooftops were awesome, they provided, for the most part, covering concealment with those big thick walls,
[UNKNOWN]: But the problem is, like you have to stand up, look over your scanning, you do that long enough.
[UNKNOWN]: The enemy fighters and enemy snipers see you, and they're going to take shots.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you come up in that same spot two or three times, that's an easy shot for them to take.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're squatting down, you're moving around, you're popping up, look, scan, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: They see me, I'm down, and that gets exhausting over time, especially when it's a hundred plus degrees, full kit.
[UNKNOWN]: And so we would start rotating out.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, you're up.
[UNKNOWN]: You're looking scan and moving around and I'm sitting on my pan.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be awesome if we could like bustle hole through this wall and we had these like little masonry I remember the phase of masonry hammers.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you guys have to buy them?
[UNKNOWN]: What did you get there?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I so myself and a few of the other guys we built out those urban sniper kits.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I went to Home Depot And literally just went up and down all the aisles just thinking hey, what would help?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's where we got the Stanley rolling boxes.
[UNKNOWN]: We got yeah, it was like it was like What's the it was like Shawshank Redemption yeah, it was like Shawshank Redemption These two were up on the rooftops.
[UNKNOWN]: Just just just just just just leave through through the frigid walls echoed Charles Which sounds good and tell you guys how thick and well
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if those walls are able to stop RPGs being shot at us, I think it's gonna take me while for that masonry hammer.
[UNKNOWN]: They're closest to $120 to $20.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not like you can stand up and get good swings.
[UNKNOWN]: No, if you stand up here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're kneeling or you're on your side.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember laying on my side, swinging the hammer just getting so pissed off.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, we, I mean, a kind of backtrack to it was cool because of the ownership that you left and set the drove down into our task unit as nobody dictated for us to build sniper, urban sniper kits.
[UNKNOWN]: We realize, hey, we're, we need urban sniper kits.
[UNKNOWN]: Guess what?
[UNKNOWN]: There was none provided to us.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, can I go to Home Depot and buy stuff?
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Put it here.
[UNKNOWN]: And so that's what we did.
[UNKNOWN]: And then eventually they're like, all right, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what we needed.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the Navy was able to go make those purchases so that guys could have their, you know, urban cyber kits.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, that was, you know, those old masonry hammers was part of the kit, which is super cool to be carrying extra weight and
[UNKNOWN]: you know, and but yeah, so we started I started thinking about it and you know, I know from our breaching.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not a breacher, but the breaching training that we explosives trains that we go through in third phase in SKT and just basics in the teams.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, we can build a charge that can punch a hole through something without damaging everything else around it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm thinking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I start talking with one of the other guys in the little tune, our lead breacher, who's a Subbot when it comes to breaching like Bob Holland, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Just a phenomenal breacher.
[UNKNOWN]: We had him in our little tune and He's still in yeah, he's still in getting really tired.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not even so his name
[UNKNOWN]: but love the guy awesome dude and so we're like talking on the rooftop and my hey could we build this build to do this and he's like yeah I'm like cool let's do it right now and so we did that we built it put it on the wall you know start to the wall with the the things that we have that allow us to do that put a six second time delay fuse guys get off the rooftop pop it off we run around and it goes off and it was so awesome like come around the corner it was just like
[UNKNOWN]: Like angels are singing like this is a little hole in the smokes kind of moving away in the dust and the dirt and everything and I was like Sweet I can now lay behind my sniper rifle which gives me a better platform.
[UNKNOWN]: I can lay behind my sniper rifle for days, which we didn't remind you at times You know obviously if someone's like you weren't awake the whole time.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, we would sleep we'd rotate out But I could I could literally lay behind my sniper rifle have a very stable shooting platform
[UNKNOWN]: have protection of the rest of the wall around there and then it made me more efficient and more effective with my ability as a sniper to support whoever was on the ground and whatever was going on.
[UNKNOWN]: And I like sharing that story when we're working with a client that I should not front about innovate and adapt.
[UNKNOWN]: Because nobody was doing that and it was just it's just a culture that sealed teams.
[UNKNOWN]: How can we get better?
[UNKNOWN]: How can we make what we're doing better through conversations through thinking and just trying to refine your craft?
[UNKNOWN]: And I was in fact way would infactuated with trying to refine my craft as a sniper.
[UNKNOWN]: Because of the example that the older snipers set for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Denny, Doug, smurf.
[UNKNOWN]: Those guys are my opportunity.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Chris over in Charlie Batoon and those snipers are phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Benny Doug and Smurf really poured into me a lot, specifically Benny because of our friendship and just our positions in the Paltune and Benny doesn't get the credit he deserves for being as good of a sniper as he is.
[UNKNOWN]: Benny's just awesome across the board.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the only reason why Benny didn't have murkills in me or as much as Chris is because Benny went or in our body.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys put him in a leadership position when we're out there.
[UNKNOWN]: So Benny being a good leader instead of, you know, put himself, he would put us in good positions.
[UNKNOWN]: Now he would get on the gun and do the good lords work and he was very efficient at that, but he was humble enough to know, like, hey, that wasn't his primary purpose and a
[UNKNOWN]: But man he was a phenomenal teacher and he really helped me be someone good at my job.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was also because of the when after that deployment We came back and he took over as the LPO of the next political sauce putting him through land war first off and he was just it all just It's like it made sense to him, you know that war just made sense to him and you can watch him and you're like, oh, yeah Ben, he's just crushing
[UNKNOWN]: Um, some of the, uh, the interesting thing was that we had 13 snipers in task and abuser, which is a big number.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a lot, it's a lot, it's very lucky.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, partial luck but also wisdom and experience from Tony and Dale because they were snipers and I think correct me if I'm wrong, but Tony was a one to push for hey we need more snipers probably and because we went even though we had that condensed work up there's a big push for us to go to sniper school
[UNKNOWN]: Like some guys like Wes, he was able to go to the actual full-blown army sniper school, and You know the rest of our guys we went through the NSW short course, which was phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: You know Charlie Melton was one of the sniper instructors That dude is a frogman and he is also a great instructor But holds very high standards.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's been broken, but a few years ago He said a world record for a long shot
[UNKNOWN]: off the look up the details later, but yeah, it was no surprise.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but those are the guys that I was getting to learn from and it was just crazy, but yeah, I think the big push for having that many snipers with the potential of us going to Ramadi came from Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then obviously Dell supported.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's go up more guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well when you went both of your opportunities or snipers, that's two that you normally wouldn't have, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So you just go down the list and you get, okay, this guy happened to go, this guy went and you end up with 13, which is awesome going into a really good environment and and having such a good relationship with the army and with the Marine Corps to be able to you know, get their support when we needed it and support them.
[UNKNOWN]: when they needed it.
[UNKNOWN]: And we, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we were able to learn a lot from those, for sure army sharpshooters and snipers, when we got to her body, just sitting down talking with those guys, hey, what are you guys doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you guys doing it this way?
[UNKNOWN]: Like we learned a lot of lessons.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we I can say we for sure because I know our whole task in a did and I as a sniper learned a lot talking with those guys that were out there Which led to modifying your gear change things up, but it was also really cool Realizing how good we had it in the sealed teams because I remember talking with some and I I know we talked about this on a previous podcast
[UNKNOWN]: but talking with some of the army snipers that were right across the hallway from us at a camp curricular and full-metal jacket and they you know we're just talking round the type rounds and we were talking about the rounds that we had for five by six like man how do you guys get that oh my what are you guys using and there was just like a standard five five six round
[UNKNOWN]: And so we're just talking and Denny and I went back across the hallway because we weren't using the 556 type around.
[UNKNOWN]: We were primarily using the SR25, which is a 762 caliber round or the 300 win bat, which was my sweet baby girl.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I wasn't using the 300.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry the 556 round.
[UNKNOWN]: I also knew that if I did need it, I could get more from y'all.
[UNKNOWN]: And so we went back over there and had a Denny and I we grabbed a bunch of cases had some other guys grab cases.
[UNKNOWN]: We walked across a hallway right there you guys go.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I You would have thought we gave them a million dollars and just Unmarked bills Because they were they were so appreciative of that and it's like well one raw here working together Why would we not do that if we can enhance your capabilities with the better round?
[UNKNOWN]: Hell yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's cover move, which we talk about all the time for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and if you think about the opportunity to do that type of mission over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
[UNKNOWN]: a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: And so you just get, you get to really hone it and get it good.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was the deal.
[UNKNOWN]: In Ramadi was having that opportunity over and over and over again.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Laef tells his story.
[UNKNOWN]: Speaking of Marines, the first time we were not on patrol with Marines, like Laef was gonna die.
[UNKNOWN]: not from enemy contact but because he had brought enough ammunition and weaponry for World War 3 and he was just completely overloaded with weight and you know he the brains are running from you know from cover to cover out there cover cover cover cover cover cover and he's running from cover to cover and from cover to cover and from cover and he's come over kids you know he came back like Brian got a lightness up but that's one that's one mission
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so then you go, okay, I can get rid of this.
[UNKNOWN]: I can streamline this.
[UNKNOWN]: What I can bring that and you that's how you get good and it's very You know in the 90s, probably you didn't didn't do one mission.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know didn't do one like we did VBS S but even we did VBS S even if we did a few of them You didn't do enough to where you really get to hone it hone it the way you should so man the G watt for the American Warfighter
[UNKNOWN]: was breaking which hits.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, repetition and taking action helps with innovating adapt.
[UNKNOWN]: Like just go out there and do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Just go out there and do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's one of the things I love talking with companies and the, you know, they know that they need to change and it's like, hey, just go take an iterative step, try something out.
[UNKNOWN]: If it works, keep doing it, expand upon it when it's consistently working.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that's your new direction.
[UNKNOWN]: If it doesn't work, cool, you made a small iterative step, it's not a big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: We were doing that all the time in Ramadi.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, this sounds like a good idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[UNKNOWN]: It's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was a horrible idea Well, I think we didn't make a note, you know a big commitment to that But you actually have to go out there and and do it over and over and over.
[UNKNOWN]: Like our brother our frogman brother Andy Stump He got his black belt in crazy amount of time and there's not one other black belt that could challenge that black belt he has
[UNKNOWN]: because he was training seven days a week and every day for years and years and sometimes twice a day you're going to get better.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to get good when you put in the work.
[UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, you are training once a year.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe you're talking about my jiu-jitsu.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would say I probably should get to solid what you did you start.
[UNKNOWN]: What you're just starting to jiu-jitsu My first actual exposure to jiu-jitsu was in Guam When Kaui and I I know shared the story before Kaui and I were out of a bar
[UNKNOWN]: Grab and dinner and we're standing at the bar, and I noticed that we are surrounded by a bunch of chiborans Which is what the locals for in Guam and these are dudes like I mean these are all big dudes small dudes But you could tell these there's some hard dudes like scars on faces color fly here and they're surrounding Cowley and I and I'm like And I grabbed the knife and fork that was all for my food and I turn around.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my alright.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm taking a few of these guys out before I die
[UNKNOWN]: And we turned around.
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of bumped into turns around and they're like, Kali, he was like, yeah, and all of a sudden they look, oh, bro, I don't have you.
[UNKNOWN]: Why don't we start with that posture?
[UNKNOWN]: The smiley.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they had recognized him because before we deployed to to go on, he had taken leave, went back to Hawaii where he's from did this big Jiu-Jitsu tournament and won the whole day.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: So they recognized them and said, hey, bro, you got to come train with us?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because Jiu-Jitsu's big and go on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, big.
[UNKNOWN]: And those guys had all traveled from Guam to do this tournament.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was my first introduction.
[UNKNOWN]: Was in a backyard MMA jujitsu gym set up.
[UNKNOWN]: Lily, cage in the backyard, weights in the grass and dirt.
[UNKNOWN]: They had to do climb up the pole to connect in the power so that they could turn on the lights back there.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was my first actual jujitsu training with Cowling and these guys from Guam.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it was just here and there and then we so that's 22 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 22 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so Andy Stump got his black belt in what five years.
[UNKNOWN]: I think six years six years.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and and your black belt is where
[UNKNOWN]: I would say maybe a solid two to three, maybe probably four years away.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll probably be 46, 47.
[UNKNOWN]: My time I get my flat belt.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll jump on one.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the path as hard as it not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right on.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so hey, some of these FMs, some of these field manuals, some of the stuff that they talk about when they're selecting snipers, marksmanship.
[UNKNOWN]: Isn't it weird that
[UNKNOWN]: Marksmanship can be taught to just about everyone, just about everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: Like occasionally, you get a person that gets rolled from buds because they just can't shoot a pistol and they can't shoot a rifle.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like one out of every hundred, I would say, a person that just cannot, and of generally they'll get it the second time around, but if something about their hand-eye coordination or something about what's happening, they just can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I know why, and I would wager a very large sum of this, they don't have an open mind, they're not humble, they're not coachable, and even if they have a bad instructor like someone I was, I'd never touched a weapon before going into the military.
[UNKNOWN]: My first time shooting an actual pistol was in boot camp.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even hit the target because they're like yelling at you.
[UNKNOWN]: They they don't give you any instruction in your shooting this call They're yelling at you super stressed out.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I hit the target.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't hear or a supposed to be shooting.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, this is horrible And I just knew like they're not maybe I'm going for the wrong judge.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't do Well, no, I didn't think that because I also I was at least had enough awareness that like they didn't teach me anything And I knew going through seal training.
[UNKNOWN]: They're gonna teach you how to do the job like they have to
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but in, in, in third phase when we're doing all of our weapon stuff, I had some good instructors and I had some really bad third phase instructors that Lily didn't teach us anything, just yelled at us and trying to stress us out and is, you know, as soon as you understand you're like, I'm getting ready to graduate
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this isn't first phase.
[UNKNOWN]: This isn't how weak we, you know, I proven that I want to be here.
[UNKNOWN]: I had passed every evolution first try going through buzz except for the tread, but they had changed out our whole class's fins to try these new fins, everybody failed.
[UNKNOWN]: And so they went back and they're like, oh, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we got the original duck feet fins and I passed.
[UNKNOWN]: So I've, I'd literally passed every
[UNKNOWN]: You're not actually like, okay, and I wasn't doing well on the pistol.
[UNKNOWN]: and I was stuck with an instructor that did not actually teach us the fundamentals of how to shoot epistol all those things and I was super stressed out while I had some of the older guys some the officers in our class and other guys had grown up shooting and they did really well I went and asked them for help my hey can you guys help me out and so in our off time I was practicing
[UNKNOWN]: on my off time which is very limited in third phase and so and then I would ask the instructors that were cool that would talk to the students that would teach us, I would ask them for help and and so I truly but I could teach anybody, you could teach anybody to shoot if they're willing to have an open mind, show humility, listen and be coachable and here's the other thing just like we teach companies and at at echelon front and
[UNKNOWN]: it's on you to seek that out.
[UNKNOWN]: If you have a bad boss, okay, how are you to mitigate that impact?
[UNKNOWN]: And at the end of the day, you have to get the job done.
[UNKNOWN]: At the end of the day, I had to pass those calls and it was 100% on me.
[UNKNOWN]: And there might be, like a 0.001%, like anomaly, or somebody that can't shoot because of whatever reasons.
[UNKNOWN]: But I mean, I
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, even at sniper school, guys get dropped from sniper school, most of the time it's not for marksmanship.
[UNKNOWN]: Most of the time it's for stalking.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they're, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: You can teach, generally speaking, you can teach most people the marksmanship piece.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course there'll be some people that will be just better, maybe they're naturally better.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And even at the end of the course, they're still going to be a little bit better.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But like everyone will get the passing or most of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Occasionally people don't make it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a few.
[UNKNOWN]: But again, I've seen guys that were struggling on the shooting part of sniper school.
[UNKNOWN]: And I would watch them and guess what?
[UNKNOWN]: They weren't listening.
[UNKNOWN]: They weren't paying attention.
[UNKNOWN]: They were distracted.
[UNKNOWN]: They weren't, and also when our time was done, they go do other things.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, okay, cool, you're putting in the middle mole effort.
[UNKNOWN]: You're gonna get the minimum reason.
[UNKNOWN]: Isn't this kind of why females will learn to shoot faster?
[UNKNOWN]: Like a female that's never
[UNKNOWN]: before we'll learn to shoot faster than it was in the summer shop.
[UNKNOWN]: When I teach shooting, typically the women are able to apply what you're teaching them much faster.
[UNKNOWN]: Guys have some, you know, thing in their head that they are James Bond.
[UNKNOWN]: Or Jason Bourne.
[UNKNOWN]: Jason Bourne?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that his name?
[UNKNOWN]: Jason Bourne.
[UNKNOWN]: And they want to impress you.
[UNKNOWN]: And when I teach shooting, and it's crazy, and I recognize like,
[UNKNOWN]: I need to set better expectations like before the shooting course and that's part of like the intro talk as I'm like getting ready to like run somebody through a course is talking about having an open mind Being patient slowing down listening and I'll remind people like hey you're paying us to teach you how to shoot
[UNKNOWN]: have an open mind and listen to what we're listening to what we have to give you and apply what works and I always tell people, hey, if what I'm teaching doesn't work, they don't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I will help you find something that works for you and I always like to start off with a test called and because hey, baseline, baseline, baseline is always called, no warm ups, no dry wraps, nothing, baseline.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll run them through it and I had one guy who wanted to sign up for more of an event's course And I was like hey, you got to come to the event.
[UNKNOWN]: They'd be getting a course.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, but hey, if cold
[UNKNOWN]: Or even at the end of the day, if you can pass eight out of the ten tests first try Like you can take the next course and like I'll give you a money back for this and it can go towards the next one He passed zero out of ten Zero out of ten Zero out of ten and but at the end of the day you get everyone where they need to be and like I love when I'm teaching long-range shooting
[UNKNOWN]: They're like really taking your time, Sloan it down, and I've worked with people that have never shot past 100 yards with their hunting rifles.
[UNKNOWN]: And at the, by time we're breaking for lunch day one,
[UNKNOWN]: I have them on target hitting steel at 1,000 yards.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a freaking epic.
[UNKNOWN]: Bat and a hundred percent on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Because we'll take our time, open their minds.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think a part of that is really taking the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I also realize, I'm not putting guys through a selection course.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to help them refine their skill set, so it's on me as a teacher to get them where they need to be.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's set the standards and expectations, open their mind,
[UNKNOWN]: build a really good relationship with them.
[UNKNOWN]: And as we know what we teach, if you build relationships with people, they're going to listen to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Shooting is one of those things where if you don't know what you're talking about shooting, if you take someone that's never shop before, there's they're not hitting a target of a thousand yards.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not happening.
[UNKNOWN]: And yet, if you it's a skill that you can learn very rapidly and by the afternoon you can be shooting hitting a
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: When you watch TV shows and you see, it's, you can, you can make anything make sense because when you see some like person shooting another person and they miss and miss and miss and you're like, dude, how could you miss?
[UNKNOWN]: But then you gotta remember that person never trained before.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And you see someone else.
[UNKNOWN]: In another movie when they take a shot and they hit someone, and you're like, oh, that's like they're gonna hit him the first time.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if he's trained, yeah, I see Have you seen the clip where the cop pulls up.
[UNKNOWN]: There's like an active shooter and this cop pulls up.
[UNKNOWN]: He's okay We got an active shooter.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just so chill gets his gets his M4 out of the back of his vehicle Like little watches through the window where the dude is
[UNKNOWN]: kind of post up on the on the vehicle, it takes a shot and he literally says on the radio, he's like a shot fired, not shots fired.
[UNKNOWN]: He goes shot fired, you know, perpetrators down.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's exactly, you know, when someone's trained, you can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: If you haven't trained, there's a very small chance that you're going to hit a moving human being at 100 yards or 200 yards, it's going to be very, very difficult.
[UNKNOWN]: If you've never trained, if you've trained, it's not that difficult.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's one of those things, marksmanship, you can get the skill, occasionally get someone that just doesn't have the knack for it, but you'll get through it.
[UNKNOWN]: Some of the other stuff they talk about is like physical condition, of course, vision, smoking,
[UNKNOWN]: I know we'll get plenty of pushback on that one, because quite a few people use tobacco products as a sniper's mental conditions.
[UNKNOWN]: When commanders, screen sniper candidates, they should look for traits that indicate the candidate as the right quality to be a sniper, the commander must determine if the candidate will pull the trigger at the right time in place.
[UNKNOWN]: Some traits to look for a reliability, initiative, loyalty, discipline, and emotional stability.
[UNKNOWN]: A psychological evaluation of the candidate can aid the commander in the selection process.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's important stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: A emotional stability, discipline.
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting that they say loyalty.
[UNKNOWN]: That's an interesting one, you know, to throw this is from an army of annual, like you get reliability, you get initiative, you get discipline, you get emotional stability, but loyalty, that's an interesting one to put in there.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see how, I don't know if this is where they got it from, but as you said down, that's interesting, and I'm really thinking about it, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: They're weapons, they're shooting at you, or you see them, you engage them with a machine gun, you know, it's awesome, it's a lot of fun, but it's not intimate and personal.
[UNKNOWN]: When I was taking shots as a sniper, I can see the whites of their eyes, and watching their facial expressions, and I think it makes it a little more real, and maybe they threw in loyalty because now when you're looking at somebody where it seems like you're up close and personal,
[UNKNOWN]: and you're watching literally like body language and everything else.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a silhouette in the distance.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not just that's a figure with a weapon.
[UNKNOWN]: That is a real human.
[UNKNOWN]: And I could say that could be hard for some people of going, but then you also have to understand like your loyalty to the mission and your nation.
[UNKNOWN]: That is an evil person.
[UNKNOWN]: And also our loyalty to those innocent Iraqi families that we were trying to keep safe.
[UNKNOWN]: And I never had that issue of wondering if I should take a shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Because we knew.
[UNKNOWN]: And the reason why we knew is because you, life and death, were telling us about Remoddy before we got there.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we get there and it's like, holy.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we attended that memorial service for the Marines and
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's very real and I'll tell you probably one of the images that will never leave my brain.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a few from a lot in.
[UNKNOWN]: We've talked about this.
[UNKNOWN]: But the first time I saw a grown man use a kid as a shield as a human shield.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's evil, man, and to know that they had zero regard for this innocent kid, it was just like, okay, it made, it was already real, but then the first time I saw that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess it just had changed the way I looked at things and it made me want to be better at my job.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually remember reading like Seth sent me, or yeah, sent me the right-ups, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Of who you shot, and I remember reading, I was like, oh, that's new, because I know you shot at least one of those dudes that was had a kid.
[UNKNOWN]: If I remember correctly, the guy was carrying ammunition.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was holding a kid in front of him and a little girl.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you killed the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: white dress with red flowers.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I guess that's why they got loyalty in there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, you know, field graph, it talks about all this stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, um, the, the,
[UNKNOWN]: thing that we get into and the thing that we're going to talk about today, which we've not done very much of so far, but we get into a little bit more now, is the kind of these lessons that you learn from being a sniper and how they apply to life, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, it's interesting that I was going to talk about the fact that being a sniper is like a blue collar job.
[UNKNOWN]: it really is like a straight up blue color job.
[UNKNOWN]: You got your tools which are your weapon, you know your scope, your binos, your ammunition, your camouflage equipment, all that stuff, then you all stuff like radios and all that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have these tools and then you need to know how to use those tools.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so you train to use those tools.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's a very very technical like blue collar type job of what you're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, that's what the seal team says.
[UNKNOWN]: The seal team says, like, you, that's what you're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: You're working with your hands.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether you're building pallets to go on a trip or whether you're out in the field, building the hide site.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, it's just work.
[UNKNOWN]: This is hard to ask work, which, which makes it awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: But you also, the reason I think about that is because as guys, the more you do it, it's like when you see a good dry water.
[UNKNOWN]: Like a good drywallers man.
[UNKNOWN]: They're drywall.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like it's a incredible how fast they can do it Or a good framer like they're just can make stuff happen very very quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: They know all the tricks the trade You know you see a guy with doing drywall and the only thing they have is just their drywall hammer It's great like it's got like the the sharp edge that they're doing all the cuts with and they're hammered like it's It's impressive so there's things that they know in that job, but
[UNKNOWN]: same thing with drywalling or being a carpenter, there's things that you can apply the rest of your life.
[UNKNOWN]: And sniping certainly has a lot of that.
[UNKNOWN]: So you sent me over a bunch of lessons that kind of apply on both, and we'll talk through some of them, but tactical patients.
[UNKNOWN]: Moving slow and moving slow sometimes and then knowing we got to move fast.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Something.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's very easy for us as humans to develop a pattern and get stuck in a pattern where we always move fast or we always move slow.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So talk to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I struggled with the moving slow part at first in sniper school because yeah, you know, like like late reminds me often, um, hey, you're a default aggressive JP that's great, but there has to be a balance there.
[UNKNOWN]: and uh it's one of the things that you and life have really helped me work on is just all right hey that's a great trait to have being de-fold aggressive but we can't be de-fold aggressive all the time and we actually have to know when to slow down and when to pause and when to not do anything and so as a sniper I remember I was having that issue or I wasn't a sniper going through sniper squad I was having that issue and one of the instructors he who was joking he was um
[UNKNOWN]: one of the instructors was joking and he's like bro am i gonna have to like inject you with some estrogen like lower your testosterone because you're just gone gone gone he goes you have he goes if you want to make it through this training you have to slow down on the stocking here's why and and as soon as he said here's why i was like
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, got it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just had to remind myself to slow down.
[UNKNOWN]: And there is times that when you're in cypress school because of when you're moving from one train feature to the next, there is nothing blocking them.
[UNKNOWN]: And so your movements, it might be a few, you
[UNKNOWN]: feet within an hour.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're moving like a quarter of an inch at a time and settling and you're praying, hey let there be some sort of breeze because if there's a breeze and it's moving all of the things out there then you can kind of move with that same motion.
[UNKNOWN]: and then I'll allow you to move.
[UNKNOWN]: So there is a time to slow down.
[UNKNOWN]: And then now I get to that point.
[UNKNOWN]: If they can't, if I can't see them, they can't see me.
[UNKNOWN]: So now I can stand up.
[UNKNOWN]: I can crawl.
[UNKNOWN]: I can walk.
[UNKNOWN]: I can run.
[UNKNOWN]: Depending on that train feature and it allows me to progress and move forward.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's the same thing with shooting.
[UNKNOWN]: There's times that you really have to slow down your shots.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's other times that you're going to have a very brief moment of taking a shot.
[UNKNOWN]: And so you've got to make sure all your fundamentals are done in just a very smooth fashion.
[UNKNOWN]: And so that's why you're starting slow is really important.
[UNKNOWN]: And when you think about it from business, like we need to be making small iterative steps, like what we teach at echelon front, especially for implementing change.
[UNKNOWN]: take, make a small iterative step, all right, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I move that direction, pause, see the impact to the organization, see the impact to your team.
[UNKNOWN]: Was it a good impact?
[UNKNOWN]: All right, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it again.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you eventually can create a little momentum if you're moving in the right direction.
[UNKNOWN]: and so it was hard for me to slow down, but when I realized the why behind it and also understanding
[UNKNOWN]: that burden of like hey I'm in cyberschool this is an opportunity it was a dream it was really a dream of mine to be a sniper and and so yeah just knowing having that tactical patience letting things develop so that you can get a little more information and you know that was something also when you're observing targets or you're observing a bad guy moving it's like okay let me see what he's doing
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, we're trending towards being within the rules of engagement for me to take a shot.
[UNKNOWN]: And over time, you really are able to run that Oedaloop and that feedback loop faster and faster and faster, because you're like, all right, that's a trend.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a trend.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I know where he's going.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what?
[UNKNOWN]: As soon as he does this, the slack is coming out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like, oh, he did this.
[UNKNOWN]: I need to get an out of get in position to take my shot.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I am ready to take that last ounce out of the trigger.
[UNKNOWN]: Once they do the next step and if they don't do the next step and they went somewhere else and then it's like Okay, hold.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not letting go of the trigger.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not letting that slack back.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm holding Scanning observing watching.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he did some okay.
[UNKNOWN]: He's trending back there again.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I just need him to do this to be well within the rules of engagement
[UNKNOWN]: keyword well within the rules of engagement because there was no grace on for us and you guys set that expectation from the very get go and and so I just had that tactical patience to observe collect information so that we can make a good decision and um
[UNKNOWN]: You have to have information to make good decisions, so you don't make a mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's weird how just like doing building clearance, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes you move really fast and sometimes you gotta slow down and being able to figure out when it's time to move fast and when it's time to slow down and what's interesting in business is you can have one project or process or task that you have to really move quick simultaneously while you have two other processes that you have to be very slow in the
[UNKNOWN]: So, being able to bifurcate your brain into like a fast mode, a slow mode, and a medium mode.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'm telling you, I see people all the time get stuck where they've been super methodical about this project.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a big strategic project and therefore it had to take their time and make sure that everything was squared away and in order.
[UNKNOWN]: And the league leaves was all correct.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they apply that to something else.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, basically barely even matters, but you know when it matters, it matters when it doesn't get done because we are being so methodical Something that doesn't really matter is taken up a bunch of time So that idea of knowing when to go fast and knowing when to go slow is something to pay attention to and I think more than up
[UNKNOWN]: more than in a skill, it's just an awareness, like pay attention, just pay attention, how much what speech did I be going on this project that I got?
[UNKNOWN]: Is this something that's going to be inspected by, you know, the regulatory committee?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, then I'm probably going to have to be more from what article.
[UNKNOWN]: Is this something that's in-house that just needs to get done and no one's really going to look at the look underneath the hood to see how it got done?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool, then I can move a little faster.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So just those are good things to think about.
[UNKNOWN]: And these are skill sets.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that you have to develop.
[UNKNOWN]: But they also, if you're listening to this and you're in that position where you need to be doing it, and no one's taught you these things, seek the knowledge.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're in a position where you're how the ability to teach these things, teach them.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why, and that's what I love about the seal teams is we were always talking about things.
[UNKNOWN]: The older guys as much as they give younger guys a hard time, they were always pouring into us.
[UNKNOWN]: Benny Doug and Smurf were always pouring in to the cypress and you know those are things that I didn't just come up in my in my brain with these things I'm like oh, yeah, I should move fast here and I should go slow here.
[UNKNOWN]: It was taught to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah You talked a little bit about the terrain and reading the terrain and navigating the terrain That's just critical importance Obviously on the battlefield
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like for you guys picking out where you're going to set up a sniper over a watch position.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's just a terrain drill.
[UNKNOWN]: 100% terrain drill.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's like, okay, then how are we going to get to that sniper over a watch position?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's a terrain drill as well.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's not the only place that applies.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: And the principles are the same.
[UNKNOWN]: Study, study, study.
[UNKNOWN]: I would study the bottom apps, I would study the city, we had videos and pictures to study, and it's just having awareness of the environment that you're moving into.
[UNKNOWN]: Where am I?
[UNKNOWN]: Where am I starting?
[UNKNOWN]: Where am I going?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, this environment to that environment.
[UNKNOWN]: What changes along the way?
[UNKNOWN]: What are some key indicators that I have?
[UNKNOWN]: hit these these objectives that tell me all right i'm moving the right direction i'm trending the right direction it's the same thing in business okay hey here's where your business currently is here's where you want to go all right things are gonna have to change for you to go from here to here that means that you have to have a clear understanding where you're at which means that you have to do an honest self assessment evaluation of you in your team and
[UNKNOWN]: And then you have to take the time to educate yourself on that market that you're trying to push into or the changes that you want to implement into your business, study, do research on different companies in that industry, have it open mind to what other people are doing, being willing to change what you're doing, and then make an iterative step move in that direction.
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's times I would plan our routes as our point man and I have my primary route,
[UNKNOWN]: And then there was a tertiary route that I was aware of, but I knew if I went from primary to secondary, we were going to slow down.
[UNKNOWN]: And then evaluate and then, all right, let's say, if this doesn't work, I'm going to go to the third option.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if I go from primary to secondary, I have to slow down.
[UNKNOWN]: And if I go from secondary to third option, I'll stop.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same thing if, you know, in our, with our weapons, primary weapon, rifle, rifle goes down, get that pistol out.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm slowing everything down.
[UNKNOWN]: If my pistol is out.
[UNKNOWN]: If my pistol is out, I'm not making entrance into that next room, because if my pistol goes down and I'm transitioning to a knife or a hatchet, man, that's a really bad situation.
[UNKNOWN]: As cool of a story is that might seem, that's a bad situation, but having that awareness, but also training your team on what to expect when things change.
[UNKNOWN]: When we were teaching close quarters combat, when I was working at Trada under you,
[UNKNOWN]: We would teach the guys, hey, listen.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're next to go inside that room They made entrance, whether it's a foreman or two man, whatever You better be paying attention and listening because we know what a rifle sounds like and we know what a pistol sounds like Too completely different sounds
[UNKNOWN]: And we would tell guys because again, all these things that we talk about at echelon front and on your podcast and everything They're all skill sets.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to teach people these things.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, if you hear guys going there and they are engaging targets with the rifle and then you hear the pop pop pop of a pistol Get your ass in that room because that means that guy needs support because now in a room that we said Hey, we need rifles for gunfight.
[UNKNOWN]: He's down to his secondary
[UNKNOWN]: We can't go that pistol can't go down.
[UNKNOWN]: That is non-verbal communication.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and so you have to be aware of what your team is working on so that you can come in and support them.
[UNKNOWN]: that if you transition from rifle to pistol, somebody's coming in.
[UNKNOWN]: So you need to also position yourself in a manner that allows them to come support you properly.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't block them, you got to let them get in past you, they're going to bump past you, they're going to address that threat in the target.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry that that target threat in the corner, they're going to do their scans.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to keep your pistol out because you're still in the fight.
[UNKNOWN]: Once that room is cleared and now they're lining up on the next threats, you're going to go to a corner where you're not exposed and you're going to get your rifle up so you can get back in the fight.
[UNKNOWN]: And but it's just having awareness though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that you know when you talk about the terrain You know you get your big picture terrain when we're moving through the city.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you also have your small picture terrain Which is when you're in a room or in a hallway and you know you talked about in the business world You're like oh, where are we strategically what market are we trying to move into what but it's also the same thing when you go into a room
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and how well do you know the human terrain that's in that room?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have that person that's in the room that you already know doesn't like, you know, you're the plan that you have or doesn't like what you're presenting or has a bad temper, or someone that you're hypersensitive to?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, I know Ecos going to be in this meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got a big ego, I'm going to, and that means my ego is triggered.
[UNKNOWN]: So now we got a scenario going on.
[UNKNOWN]: you gotta pay attention that before you go into the room.
[UNKNOWN]: Same exact thing.
[UNKNOWN]: You gotta be aware of what is happening.
[UNKNOWN]: Learn to read the terrain.
[UNKNOWN]: That's where we gotta be able to do.
[UNKNOWN]: You talk about these notes knowing your gear just by feel and by position and being able to find something complete darkness.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's something that obviously we do, but how do people get there?
[UNKNOWN]: start small and you have to put it in the time and it's reps. Yeah, I mean I could say nothing else and that applies to every listener in their life but I can definitely a little bit deeper if you want me to.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you want to set your gear up to where it's best aboard you.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, we had SOPs for how guys would carry their gear, you know, where they put the med pouch and all those different things.
[UNKNOWN]: But for me, I had to be very mindful of how the gear affected my abilities to do the job.
[UNKNOWN]: haven't all these other things on your gear for extra stuff sounds great until you're trying to carry it.
[UNKNOWN]: It sounds great until we're in a hundred plus degrees, right?
[UNKNOWN]: One twenty one thirty.
[UNKNOWN]: Like when it's a hundred and twenty hundred thirty to greet, thirty degrees plus, like man, like you'll quickly think about, did I need to bring that?
[UNKNOWN]: Like did I need to bring that eraser for my pencil?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean you are you're really thinking about cutting things down But then also for me as a sniper like how is my gear set up am I able am I gonna be able to lay down in a position comfortably to be able to do my job?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Nope.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: What does it need to do?
[UNKNOWN]: Do I need to bring it up?
[UNKNOWN]: Do I need to change it to where you know I have to get my body armor on
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that was a rapid change when we all got to her body.
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone adjusting their gear so that they're good.
[UNKNOWN]: So we could all take off her gear and sell our body on the wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because you know, it seems when you're doing direct action.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems like, oh, I just I'll just have it all integrated into one thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, seems kind of cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's very slick.
[UNKNOWN]: You put it on and off very quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: But then you get over there and you're like, wait a second, I'm going to be sitting in this overwatch position for the next 48 hours.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to have my gear on this entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really like that idea, but I don't want to take my body on her off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's another good little evolution to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: So laying down, okay, quite.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so I need to have a set up that I can pull off, put right next to me.
[UNKNOWN]: But when I when it's on my gear I'm pulling mags out a certain way when it's off in face a different direction I'm now having to pull those magazines out of different ways.
[UNKNOWN]: So I it was either All right, do I switch the magazines around once I take it off?
[UNKNOWN]: or do I change how I grab them when the gear is off.
[UNKNOWN]: And I chose to change how I grabbed it because if I'm grabbing something and I can feel it.
[UNKNOWN]: I can feel the magazine.
[UNKNOWN]: I know when I grab something, if my thumb is touching this, the rounds are pointed one way.
[UNKNOWN]: If my thumb is touching this, index finger touching this, rounds are pointed a different way.
[UNKNOWN]: So I can just manipulate that magazine to go into my weapon or the rounds to go into my three-hander, one bag that I'm manually loaded in there.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't want to be, I didn't want the risk of, okay, I take my gear off and then I switch your magazines around and then all of a sudden it's like, hey, we got a roll out of here quick, which would happen, like we got to move the next spot or something changes and then I, because that's a little bit of stress, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Just a little bit at times, sometimes a lot of stress, all of a sudden like, hey, we got a roll or whatever, so I never wanted, I never wanted
[UNKNOWN]: To be in a situation where I'm putting my gear on and my magazines are in a different direction and having to then fumble that football When it really kept when the time really counted because I wasn't having to do quick mad changes
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a sniper, right, and especially I wasn't doing any of those when I was carrying my 300 Wim Mag which I had a transition from weapon platforms from SR25 or 300 Wim Mag in which I know we'll talk about it a little bit later, but yeah, knowing your gear in the dark and I would practice just changing things, zipping things, unzipping things,
[UNKNOWN]: How do I, okay, if I, if I pinch and grab it this way, and my wrist is, you know, here, then cool, I can easily pull it over.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, when I do this, the fabric is actually really soft in the worn out.
[UNKNOWN]: So instead of the zipper on zipping easy, there's like some give in that.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, all right, cool, would I put it like a little piece of cardboard tape it on the inside to add, make it a little more rigid.
[UNKNOWN]: So then just in and out with the zippers, I was just tweaking my gear and, um, you know, those were things that guys would talk about that I thought, you know, I remember Seth just one time I was leaving work and I was, I thought I'd been there late.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was leaving work and he was just in his cage, just like, take your tinker, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And just playing with his gear, getting it dialed in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, know your geared rehearse it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we got to do.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter if it's your computer It doesn't matter if it's your how you interact with other people like you've got a rehearse stuff that you're doing This is an interesting one Acceptable site picture versus perfect site picture If perfection even exists if perfection even exists talk about that
[UNKNOWN]: I love talking about this and I love mentioning and teaching and shooting and so the principle behind that is can I take an effective shot to do my job and if I can, take the shot.
[UNKNOWN]: because that's going to be much faster than trying to make micro adjustments and get it absolutely dead perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not doing a competition marksmanship shooting even where I'm trying to keyhole my rounds.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to eliminate an evil person and shut off birthdays.
[UNKNOWN]: So, anywhere in that chess cavity with 300-Wim Mag, or that.
[UNKNOWN]: And that face meat is going to do the job.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it was understanding, like, based off a distance round, what's going to be effective?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, now if it's, you know, a 5-5-6 round, you know, probably not shutting off the light switch right away in the chess cavity.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you had shots.
[UNKNOWN]: That's one of the things that we changed.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, that's one of the things that we changed that trade at instead of shooting to the chest one of the face It was you know, I was just talking with the guys.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like hey, why don't we just shoot through the fight of the face?
[UNKNOWN]: That shuts off the lights which right away and if that guy has an RBG or grenade or something and you're in that same room like you don't want to shoot them in the chest And they don't die right away and they're all hopped up on opiates which these guys were they're not gonna die right away
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's what's the most effective shot place like site picture that you need to have based off that individual and the environment that you're in and the caliber of round that you have.
[UNKNOWN]: And so understanding like hey, if you have that acceptable site picture to get the work done do it.
[UNKNOWN]: do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we want to refine that craft in training and absolutely in training.
[UNKNOWN]: We would practice quick shots, quick acquisitions going from one distance to the next without changing anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that acceptable?
[UNKNOWN]: Boom.
[UNKNOWN]: Dink, right?
[UNKNOWN]: If I hit my piece of steel at 500 yards and you hear Dink and it's on the steel and you shoot and I and I'll say I get that done because I'm going from one distance to the
[UNKNOWN]: And I shoot 800 for the yards, and I shoot at 300, and I shoot back up 500, and it's all boom, ding, boom, ding, boom, ding, and let's say that takes me three seconds.
[UNKNOWN]: But you do it and you're like, oh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the translation to civilian life is very obvious here, you're going to have to go sometimes.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you're waiting for the perfect scenario to unfold for the perfect situation to be there, it's not going to be there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just not going to be there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's never going to be there.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, if you wait and hold and hold and keep looking at that side picture, I guess what?
[UNKNOWN]: The target moves, yep, like the target moves, so it doesn't matter anyways.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you're waiting for the absolute perfect time to enter this market, or to do...
[UNKNOWN]: Higher this person you're waiting for the perfect time for everything to be lined up is not going to happen So if you have a good site, but look, I'm not trying to randomly hire someone who you randomly under some You know market that you're not prepared for but you don't the research.
[UNKNOWN]: The numbers look good.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay We need to make this move cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think the key phrase of that that I really want people to listen to is Are you able to execute the task a hand?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, will it get the job done?
[UNKNOWN]: Will it get the job done, which is what we teach also an actual at a show on front with decentralized command when you're driving ownership down to us and we'd come up with a plan.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a workable plan.
[UNKNOWN]: Not even close to how your brain was working out the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Your default response was execute.
[UNKNOWN]: I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: What can I do to support you?
[UNKNOWN]: Just get the work done, and this is the Udolub, which Dave Burke talks about teaches.
[UNKNOWN]: Dave Burke's explanation of the Udolub on YouTube in like two minutes and 36 seconds is the best explanation of the Udolub.
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't call the Udolub in the Ziltines, but it was the decision making process of...
[UNKNOWN]: If we take too long like orienting ourselves based on what we observed and then deciding to come up with this absolute perfect plan, we'll guess what, by time it's time to take action, your environment's changed.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a missed opportunity.
[UNKNOWN]: So 80% solution.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you got an 80% solution, maybe a 75% solution?
[UNKNOWN]: That's good enough, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, 75, right?
[UNKNOWN]: See, seas get degrees.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: Zooming in and zooming out on targets.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, this to me is a little bit like, a little bit like when I talked about the fact that sometimes you get it fast and sometimes you got to go slow and sometimes you're going fast with one thing and you're going slow with something else.
[UNKNOWN]: this is, you know, if you're not careful, you zoom in on a target, you're going to get target fixation, you're going to miss what else is happening going on.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's that's exactly what it is, target fixation, you zoom in.
[UNKNOWN]: But the thing that we would have to be aware of is, and this goes back to what we're just talking about, I want to zoom in on my optic at just enough to be able to do my job.
[UNKNOWN]: Because, I mean, especially now the technology with scopes, it's unreal.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a bunch of scopes from four texts, which are absolutely love.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you got a bunch of, everybody's shameless.
[UNKNOWN]: So, thank you, thank you, Vortex.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, thank you, shameless.
[UNKNOWN]: I got range finders and vernacular scopes, oh, I know it's pretty good load out.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Shame is to care of the care of us, but, you know, those, even back then, in 2005, 2006, we had good technology, good scopes that we're using, and you could zoom in and it's
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have to be all the way zoomed in to do my job and so it was teaching guys okay zoom in enough to be able to execute the work.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't get so target fixated on that one thing that you lose situational awareness of what's happening around the target because I can add my optics dead center on your face and I can zoom in all the way toward literally all I see is your face.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't know anything else that's happened around you.
[UNKNOWN]: But if I zoom in and I have my optics here and the crosshair is still in the center of your face, but I'm able to see what's going on around you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm able to see what's behind you because when that round travels through you, what's the backdrop?
[UNKNOWN]: What's the potential collateral damage of behind you?
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, zoom in enough to be effective at your job.
[UNKNOWN]: And then once you're done with a task, zoom back out and that was part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: We just run drills, all right, and we do this dry.
[UNKNOWN]: Click zoom out.
[UNKNOWN]: Scan.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, potential threat, zoom in.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're also practicing staying on your weapon and stabilizing it as you zoom in, so you can maintain your crosshairs.
[UNKNOWN]: with the right place.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're saying focused on the task of hand, but not being too target fixated that you lose situation awareness.
[UNKNOWN]: But it was, you know, this is detachment.
[UNKNOWN]: Is teaching yourself, hey, you got done doing something, step back.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when you zoom out, you're able to see what's happening around you.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, next problem, zoom in, execute the task, zoom out, scan, boom.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, you know, I mean, the application of business and life is, I would say very, very easy to connect to because hey, working on something, cool, you're done, step back.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, one of our big FDX clients that we're working with up in Michigan, the field training exercises that we run national in front, this one always connected with them, every because after every single mission we sit down we do a debrief.
[UNKNOWN]: This would come up 99% of the time, this analogy of not being target fixated and having the ability to focus it on the work and step out, focus on the work and step out.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a big one in the construction industry, we've been doing a lot of work in the construction industry and this connection is huge from a safety standpoint with the clients that we work at Ashland front.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, zoom in on the task, but don't zoom in so much that you lose situational awareness.
[UNKNOWN]: But then also, hey, when that job is done, step back to touch.
[UNKNOWN]: Look around next problem, boom, go in.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to have the ability to go in and go out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because if you're focused on what's right in front of you, cool, then you come to work the next day, and guess what?
[UNKNOWN]: It supplies that mental duty.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's a problem.
[UNKNOWN]: I had my first appointment to Iraq was we had those vehicle mounted flears, flears like the infrared.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we were in this position that had been getting a lot of attacks.
[UNKNOWN]: And so we went out there to try and kill some bad guys.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm sitting there I'm in this home via on a flear.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm looking and I'm looking across this river.
[UNKNOWN]: And across this river, you know, I'm scanning and looking and looking and looking and looking and looking
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like watching.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, okay, and then it stops.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So I choose to do a little bit closer.
[UNKNOWN]: Now a guy gets out.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want a little bit closer.
[UNKNOWN]: Another guy gets out.
[UNKNOWN]: Now these guys are both out.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm zoomed closer.
[UNKNOWN]: Now they open up the trunk.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm now I'm zoomed in.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, these guys are getting ready to attack us.
[UNKNOWN]: They start like kind of messing with something.
[UNKNOWN]: And as they're messing with something, we get hit with a couple of RPGs.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, just the perimeter of where we are at.
[UNKNOWN]: And sure enough, I don't know if these guys were decoy, it worked, but I completely fell for it, like a hundred percent.
[UNKNOWN]: I just zoomed in and it's almost like textbook they did.
[UNKNOWN]: They each, each thing that they did made me get more and more zoom in more and more and more.
[UNKNOWN]: Because that fleer could zoom in like crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm watching their hands, you know, not quite their hands.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see their whole body clearly.
[UNKNOWN]: And sure enough, we got hit from, you know, probably 200 yards away.
[UNKNOWN]: As I pulled the thing back and like figured out where we just got a shot at from, but yeah, it's total mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very easy, especially for especially for leaders, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Like I can easily have JP, JP, make sure nothing's happening over there.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you can 100% focus on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[UNKNOWN]: But I got to make sure that I'm back for enough going, okay, while JP is focused on that, I got to be looking heads up.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we have to do as leaders.
[UNKNOWN]: So as you have your team, focus on some construction task of doing the concrete pour that day, you got to be step back enough to be looking around, going, oh, hold on a second.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we have the material that's ordered for tomorrow?
[UNKNOWN]: Where's that out?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, how's it tracking?
[UNKNOWN]: Are these other sub-shown up tomorrow at the right time?
[UNKNOWN]: Who talked to them?
[UNKNOWN]: What about in four days?
[UNKNOWN]: Do we have that dialed in?
[UNKNOWN]: So definitely known to zoom out, zoom in, and known to zoom out.
[UNKNOWN]: And, and, and modulate between the two, uh, this is a good one.
[UNKNOWN]: So reading wind, and we can go in a little bit of reading wind.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that one of the most interesting thing you wrote in your notes is gauging the wind right in front of you is stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: Where is the wind going to have the most impact on the round, which is farther down, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So you're looking, the wind does all kinds of weird stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And you can get sucked in to looking at the wind that's 20 yards in front of you.
[UNKNOWN]: But you're taking a 600-yard shot.
[UNKNOWN]: It's crazy to me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's absolutely like, I'll watch guys teach shooting, whether I've been there, helping assist, or watching on YouTube, or something else like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, they'll have, you know, the firing line of long range rifles lined up.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all clear and safe.
[UNKNOWN]: Guy goes out 10 feet, 20 feet, maybe in front and they're holding up the casserole, which is great.
[UNKNOWN]: It gives you data, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: Casserole's a great tool.
[UNKNOWN]: and they're testing the win and the like, all right guys, this is a win and I remember the first time I heard that I looked like I thought he was joking
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's the wind right in front of us, but these guys are taking seven hundred yards shots.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember just like looking down, I'm looking at the grass kind of blowing, which is great, but that round is so much higher than the grass.
[UNKNOWN]: So I started looking at other trees and bushes that were about the level of that path that that round is, and that's where I gauge my wind.
[UNKNOWN]: because that's where the round is going to be going, and at the farther the round goes, the less energy it has, which means it can be much greater impacted by that wind.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, you just have to learn to be able to read the wind all the way down.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've been teaching at things where other instructions like, hey, here's the holds, and I had my group, and I'm like, do not listen to that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I would explain why I said, hey, here's why.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's where the wind is going to have the most impact on that round is down there.
[UNKNOWN]: And so this wind will actually counter that wind.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want you holding anything.
[UNKNOWN]: And there looked at me like the other guys told them to hold off the target, Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: Just trust me one time.
[UNKNOWN]: And if I'm wrong, you can switch instructors.
[UNKNOWN]: But I want you to hold dead center.
[UNKNOWN]: And these other instructors are like telling like crazy hold.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like trying to also teach them like hey here's why like look at the look at the train look at what those look at the bushes Look at the top of the trees like look see what they're doing hey see the dirt moving down here That means the wind's also doing this and hey, we're shooting over a ravine where the wind's gonna be doing this Which it can actually there can be an updraft which I'm just telling you just please hold dead center and let's try it Like I hold dead center Fundamentals are perfect
[UNKNOWN]: think less than a minute less than a minute of angle off dead center.
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone else guess where they were at in the dirt.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I look at me.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, damn.
[UNKNOWN]: But it was cool opportunity just explaining, hey, you've got to look at the big picture.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not what's right in front of you.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to be able to see the big picture.
[UNKNOWN]: Where are you at?
[UNKNOWN]: Where are you trying to go and then reverse engineer it back to you?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the business world, this is difficult because you're taking your placing bets, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And a lot of time people place bets on where they are right now based on the data that they have right now.
[UNKNOWN]: But you need to be placing bets just like you need to read the wind at down range.
[UNKNOWN]: You need to be placing bets on where you anticipate you will be in the future.
[UNKNOWN]: When it comes to, you know, like how much let's say stock you're gonna have how much stuff you're gonna have in stock If you read that wrong, you could be very you could be problematic Yes, and that's another thing I would tell guys I'm glad that you said this because I missed it earlier and it applies to this the other reason why I don't want to be all the way zoomed in my optic I can't see the environmental data around it and I would tell guys.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, based off of what we're seeing right now
[UNKNOWN]: If you were to pull that trigger, this is what it'll do.
[UNKNOWN]: And so you need to be on your gun ready to go, reading that wind, and if you have a spot or giving you those corrections, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: But you also have to be open-minded to stop at any moment.
[UNKNOWN]: because if I say hold, you can't pull the trigger.
[UNKNOWN]: When I say hold, you hold, and then I'll give you a course correction.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, all right, move one minute of angle to the right, or one note of the right, depending on the scope you're using, and you know, I can say hold.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, send right because there might be a gust of wind that came up and also as a spotter I'm looking big picture.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm literally scanning left right.
[UNKNOWN]: There's not a lot of movement here But I see movement 200 yards to the right moving in our direction cool guess what's coming shortly after it
[UNKNOWN]: that wind.
[UNKNOWN]: And so you have to be able to look at things big picture.
[UNKNOWN]: You also have to be able to to stop and recalibrate, make a small minor adjustment.
[UNKNOWN]: But the big thing for long-range shooting is you have to have everything ready to go and then execute at the right time.
[UNKNOWN]: You hunting elk, man, of the wind is everything.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the top of the list when you're trying to maneuver.
[UNKNOWN]: It's way more important than what the elk can see.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they can stare sense of smell is so much better than their sense of sight or hearing.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, but you start paying attention, I'm obviously, I'm not good at it.
[UNKNOWN]: when you're hunting with someone that's good, they're like, you're the same thing, you're like, oh, there's the wind there, but then 40 meters it's like this and then another 200 meters.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're okay right now, but we're gonna have to maneuver.
[UNKNOWN]: It's definitely stuff you gotta pay attention to.
[UNKNOWN]: Next one, and I'm going, not reading all these, but this is a good one.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this is so common you hear.
[UNKNOWN]: And this to me was always the most, the most important fundamental of shooting.
[UNKNOWN]: is gun surprising you and not anticipating the shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Our bodies will try to counter the recoil if we are anticipating the shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Whenever I'm blowin' shots and this is true in archery and true in firearms, whenever I'm blowing my shot, I know that it's this.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that I need to let the shots surprise me.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, especially when you're shooting a long range rifle, which is typically a larger caliber round, not all the time because the evolution of weapons and rounds now, it's crazy what people are actually doing with.
[UNKNOWN]: like 22 long range, and then 2 to 3, 5, 5, 6 rounds.
[UNKNOWN]: But typically, you're shooting a 6.5 Creedmore or 308 or 308 mag, that gun is going to kick, and the basic your human instinct is to counter that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if I push you, you're going to push back and less you know that if you let me push you it puts you in a better position for like your jits or you're like all right cool push into me you're giving me the advantage for shooting you just have to let the gun surprise you and that's the other part that's really important is putting yourself in a good stable shooting position to that recoil doesn't drastically affect you because the better you're able to support that weapon platform and absorb the impact.
[UNKNOWN]: of that round going off, absorb the recoil.
[UNKNOWN]: If you absorb some of the recoil, less recoil means less time off target, less time off target means faster shots.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's a big thing and when I'm teaching pistol shooting, how you grip to eliminate that recoil,
[UNKNOWN]: It's really important, but for long range shooting, like, hey, you have everything going, it has to surprise you, and that's why you have to start dry.
[UNKNOWN]: I love starting dryfire, like just having run through the motions of chambering around, getting set up, all right, your position on the trigger.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really important with your finger, because you want to smooth trigger pull.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't want to squeeze.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate when people say squeeze the trigger.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you're an idiot.
[UNKNOWN]: because when you're saying squeeze the trigger, you're also squeezing your hand.
[UNKNOWN]: When you're squeezing your hand, those other three little amigos are gonna throw off your shot.
[UNKNOWN]: So you need to isolate a smooth trigger pull, whether it's long range, pistol, rifle, smooth trigger pull.
[UNKNOWN]: If I have a smooth trigger pull, and I can get used to those fundamentals in boom.
[UNKNOWN]: Click, and if you didn't move, if I put you on a rifle,
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, you don't know if it's live or not.
[UNKNOWN]: That's another thing I, the dummy rounds.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, it always show the freedom.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I love it because I'll do that when I'm teaching along right shooting.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, all right, cool, hey, you're set up.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to put you around in and I'm just putting an empty casing because it'll, it'll chamber in there.
[UNKNOWN]: And it sounds very similar.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't know the difference.
[UNKNOWN]: If you try to do that with me or like, like Jason Gardner, legendary seal sniper or Benny Olson, you know, like our guy likes,
[UNKNOWN]: If you were to try to put a casing in there and chamber it, they would be like that sounded different Because your gear sounds different, like your weapon sounds different And so anyways, I would put an empty round in there, boom, go through And then it would show them what their natural tendencies are And so now that you know your natural tendencies are, you can create habits to change your behaviors And tendencies, and like all right, call this what you did, this is what we have to do to correct it
[UNKNOWN]: And once you've got it, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we're going to do another 10 times perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: Once you have that, you can do that 10 times perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we can move on to the next thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's exposing their natural tendencies so that they can now create habits to change.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what we need in business and in life, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And it is you and life has been working with me and health and me.
[UNKNOWN]: My natural tendency is to be a little too aggressive, which even though my intentions are pure, you guys know my intentions are pure.
[UNKNOWN]: It can send the wrong message.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's the big thing on this one is that our bodies, our minds, our brains, our lizard brains have all these instincts.
[UNKNOWN]: And if we're not paying attention to them, they will screw you up.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when someone walks into the room and they get aggressive to me and my natural instinct is to get aggressive back.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not going to help me.
[UNKNOWN]: If there's some
[UNKNOWN]: high pressure situation going on and my natural instinct is to start to escalate my own emotion.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not, that's not, it's not going to help me.
[UNKNOWN]: And we can go down the list of all these natural human instincts that we have that are great for lizard survival.
[UNKNOWN]: They're great for lizard survival.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not great for human interaction and they're definitely not great for leadership.
[UNKNOWN]: These are emotions that make you make bad decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: These are panics.
[UNKNOWN]: These are fear.
[UNKNOWN]: We make bad decisions when we're afraid.
[UNKNOWN]: We make bad decisions when we're in the animal world.
[UNKNOWN]: If you roll into my space,
[UNKNOWN]: and you start looking at my food, what I should do is attack you.
[UNKNOWN]: And I should be defensive.
[UNKNOWN]: In the human world, if I start doing that, well, you're growing in my space, but that's because we have to work together.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, in my instinct is to get hostile with you, because you're in my space, and I'm afraid you're going to get credit for the project that I'm supposed to be in charge of.
[UNKNOWN]: Bro, what does that do?
[UNKNOWN]: So, these instincts are things that we absolutely, we've got to control them.
[UNKNOWN]: And if we don't control them,
[UNKNOWN]: We also have to understand, like, why are we trying to be better at what we're doing?
[UNKNOWN]: And if I can remind myself that the only way I can lead people is by having a relationship with them so that I can influence them, that changes the way I think about every interaction.
[UNKNOWN]: Is what I'm about to do or say going to build or hurt the relationship?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm trying to think of good ways to kind of use the dummy round for interacting with other people and play.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, roleplay for sure, I did it the other day, I got asked a question, a guy said, you know, because I was talking about the indirect approach and a guy said, Hey, you know, I understand you like the the indirect approach, but where I work, we like the direct approach because the direct approach, you know, we just need to get the stuff said.
[UNKNOWN]: And I go, uh, I said, well, that's dumb, and it's not going to work.
[UNKNOWN]: Next question.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, there's this weird awkward silence, and I looked at him, I go, how that feel?
[UNKNOWN]: He goes, not good.
[UNKNOWN]: And, uh, and I go, that's the director approach.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you do to people when you give them the director approach.
[UNKNOWN]: You make them defensive, you make them not want to hear what you have to say.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, I just did the director approach you, so you'd see what it feels like that's kind of like a dummy round.
[UNKNOWN]: We, the National FTX, I'm sorry, the National Muster that we had a few monsters ago.
[UNKNOWN]: We were doing a pre-muster FTX, so that's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: And we got down with the run and we had a leader that was doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: I, and so Cody and I are debriefing before we kick off the debrief.
[UNKNOWN]: And I said, hey,
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to do something that is counter to what we teach, but to prove a point, and then I will explain it afterwards.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want you knowing what I'm doing before I just do it, because it's his program now.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, this is his program.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to, like, I'm not trying to throw him off to the exposure, test anything.
[UNKNOWN]: It was to get a reaction so that they could feel it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I...
[UNKNOWN]: did exactly what you did but I went level 10 and I just it was it went on for about a minute I was just like and then I then I just paused how that feel and I smiled I said that's why we don't do you know whatever I said right and then we broke it down in debrief
[UNKNOWN]: And actually afterwards, one of the FTX attendees when we're actually getting ready to head back to go check in for the master was like, that was the most impactful thing I got from it.
[UNKNOWN]: He goes, I didn't realize that's how people feel when I do that.
[UNKNOWN]: He goes, you weren't even talking to me and I was getting so uncomfortable and mad and emotional.
[UNKNOWN]: because thank you for doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: But you can do that in a controlled environment.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the dummy round.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it a controlled environment that you can learn, talk, address, assess, and then recalibrate?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Reacting to a miss shot.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a good one, there's nothing worse than being on a range and getting totally self-destructing because you missed a headplate.
[UNKNOWN]: You missed the number two headplate out of six and then you've missed seven more shots, eight more nine twelve and you have to do a mag change.
[UNKNOWN]: Just a meltdown.
[UNKNOWN]: How are you supposed to react to a misshot?
[UNKNOWN]: You miss a shot?
[UNKNOWN]: No factor.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that should be your response.
[UNKNOWN]: I miss a shot.
[UNKNOWN]: No factor to touch.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't get emotional meaning don't get frustrated with yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: You miss a shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Go back to the fundamentals.
[UNKNOWN]: Reengage.
[UNKNOWN]: Because if I, the worst thing you can do is now try to do everything you just did faster.
[UNKNOWN]: All you're doing is missing faster.
[UNKNOWN]: And so if you can teach yourself to pause, recalibrate,
[UNKNOWN]: and then re-engage, you're going to be good to go.
[UNKNOWN]: The, I think at some point we had the seal teams had
[UNKNOWN]: Tiger Woods sports psychologist come out.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And but one of the things that that he was saying was, you don't think about your last shot.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't think about your next shot.
[UNKNOWN]: You just think about what you're doing right now.
[UNKNOWN]: And even the quote unquote think about what you're doing right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Even that is, you can you can blow that too.
[UNKNOWN]: Because if you start thinking about like the 19 things you've got to do correctly, you've got to have that process down in that just do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would, yeah, if, because, yes, people that are thinking about it can overthink, I would just say, be present.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're good.
[UNKNOWN]: Be present in what you're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you're doing the right things at the right time in the right order, you're going to hit your shot.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you miss,
[UNKNOWN]: We call it like literally pause, recalibate, re-engage.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I think that the reaction to a miss shot shouldn't even be no factor.
[UNKNOWN]: You shouldn't say no factor.
[UNKNOWN]: It should literally be no factor.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you pull the trigger, you didn't hear a ping, and you shouldn't even, you should just, you know, shoot again, like it didn't even happen.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the where you want to be.
[UNKNOWN]: I missed a shot in Ramadi with a guy that was running across the street.
[UNKNOWN]: Homeboy had some speed on him.
[UNKNOWN]: I was not expecting that.
[UNKNOWN]: And, uh, older guy in the little dude that really looked up to, I looked up to all those guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, he's just, the epitome of the silent professional, right?
[UNKNOWN]: There's no photographic evidence of this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: He's done it with the teeth.
[UNKNOWN]: And, uh, he actually was right next to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um, I missed the shot.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know what's funny is when I pulled the trigger, I knew that it was
[UNKNOWN]: and so I pulled the trigger, news and miss shot, and was already in motion.
[UNKNOWN]: Because one of the things also that we'd get really good at is, hey, when you pull the trigger, you can't do anything else other than prepare yourself for the next shot.
[UNKNOWN]: And with the 300-wind mag, or any bolt action rifle, that means ejecting around chamber and a new one.
[UNKNOWN]: Well hey the guns moving it's off target now is the time baby like use that time to your vantage so cool I pull the trigger and as soon as I pull the trigger in the way I would hold my weapon for long-range shooting I would teach people this is I would pull the trigger and because I'm not gripping the weapon and holding it my thumb is over here to the side which allows it to go up
[UNKNOWN]: hit the bolt, pull it back, and as my hand is pulling it back, this opens up, catches the brass, sets it down right next to me, drop it and then slide a new round in.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm already off target, it doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm efficiency and economy of motion and time, and so then I knew I had miss a shot, like I said.
[UNKNOWN]: So I get back on, make my adjustment based off of the miss that I,
[UNKNOWN]: And so I now made the adjustment based off the previous hold I had, which is, you know, when we're talking about hold and how important that is to know is like, all right, cool, that hold did this I need to do this and then my follow up shot dude, dude, just drop them dirt nap, yeah, yeah, um,
[UNKNOWN]: that this is so important, it's such a good, this is a skill that you definitely need to learn.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, being a new guy, where your shooting head plates is a new guy, and you blow one shot, and you just melt that full mouth down.
[UNKNOWN]: And especially because everyone's putting pressure on you, you know, it's a competition shooting against someone else.
[UNKNOWN]: You hear their ping ping ping ping, and you hear your-
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then what do you do?
[UNKNOWN]: You shoot harder, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Like no, that's not the answer.
[UNKNOWN]: The answer is not to shoot harder.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a scenario for goldfish memory next play, right?
[UNKNOWN]: The something we take away from the lacrosse finance segue pipeline is just goldfish memory next play.
[UNKNOWN]: Have you seen this guy?
[UNKNOWN]: There's a guy on he's like a comedian or something and he he just goes through these verbal Repetition of What he does in his life.
[UNKNOWN]: That's cool.
[UNKNOWN]: He played La Crosse in college now he's on in finance and the segue from from La Crosse to finance Pipeline and then goldfish memory next play just get right that's what I'm gonna do.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought you're going that line from Ted Lasse What does that last so say?
[UNKNOWN]: Very, somebody pulled the guy's hiding.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: The happy as animal is in the world.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I don't know, because she goes, goldfish.
[UNKNOWN]: Goldfish memory next time.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he doesn't remember what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Be a goldfish out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, show Ted laughs.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's, I've only watched one season of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But it was, it's a great show.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a great show.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I'm going to watch more of those.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get into that.
[UNKNOWN]: So goldfish memory next play and don't think about what just went wrong instead think about Nothing, you know, don't think about what's next just just get what'd you say be present?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, it's weird how you can get archery you can you can have a meltdown to like you can have a full meltdown in archery You blow a shot and then it's just this is where I will get a vision.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll get that glimpse of
[UNKNOWN]: over I'll start to over thinking I'll be like new to shut up just do do the protocol do the protocol that's what I'm doing yeah being present is so important in life in all aspects hey you're at you know you're on the road for work be present with your client
[UNKNOWN]: You're on a flight, be present, working, or interacting with the person next to you to get to know them and build that relationship and get a, you know, and hey, you're at home, cool, be present with your wife and be present with your kids and be thankful for what you also have because I can choose to be frustrated, or I can choose to be happy.
[UNKNOWN]: Joy is a choice.
[UNKNOWN]: Anger is a choice.
[UNKNOWN]: And if I miss a shot, I can be angry.
[UNKNOWN]: That doesn't help me.
[UNKNOWN]: Or I can say, all right, be present.
[UNKNOWN]: Go to the motions.
[UNKNOWN]: Take the next shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a lesson learned on this.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not the opposite of what you said, but it's not completely aligned with.
[UNKNOWN]: So I went to see the last Black Sabbath show.
[UNKNOWN]: ever.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And so Jack Osborne, he knows that I'm front to them and he knows that Black Sabbath has been my favorite band since I was a child and it is the soundtrack to my life.
[UNKNOWN]: And when he found out that they were going to play their last show in England, he's like, he sent me it to actually says, don't say anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want to come to this show when I was like, let me think
[UNKNOWN]: Hell yeah So I went with my wife and we went over there and it was so I get there and I literally had this conversation with myself.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: This is this is the this is the the Mount Everest of my of my Music my love of music.
[UNKNOWN]: This is it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not kidding.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, it wasn't just black Sabbath if it was just black Sabbath I would have been
[UNKNOWN]: Just amazing, but it was Metallica, Guns Root.
[UNKNOWN]: It was everybody, tool, it was ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: So I get there and I say to myself, I literally had this conversation with myself of like, okay, listen, just freaking live and enjoy this day.
[UNKNOWN]: And the thing that I was putting out of my mind was like, don't sit there every 30 seconds and take out your phone and take a picture of everything all day long.
[UNKNOWN]: Just just freaking, just soak it in, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And I did, and I took, I took a handful of videos and pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: And dude, it was, it was beyond, it was, as good as I thought it was going to be, it was beyond that.
[UNKNOWN]: It was freaking epic.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um, and when I got back, I mean, I got done, and I took some pictures, I took some videos, but I wish I would have just,
[UNKNOWN]: I wish I would have honestly mounted a damn GoPro to my chest and filmed the entire thing because every second was epic.
[UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, I think I misinterpreted the idea of being present with like, oh, that means you shouldn't be, you know, document what's happening.
[UNKNOWN]: So I kind of
[UNKNOWN]: going on.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, obviously they had like the full video, you know, they're going to release at some point, you know, like an entire digital reproduction of the whole thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll have it.
[UNKNOWN]: But God damn, dude, it was freaking epic.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm happy I took what I did, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was something when we're in the teams, like he looked back at the photos and videos we have.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I
[UNKNOWN]: The same nine pictures of me in Ramadi, because there's no pictures of me in Ramadi, because we weren't taking, I mean, I wasn't taking pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: And yes, yeah, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish I would have recorded all kinds of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And video all kinds of stuff and all that, but it was not only was I not thinking about it, but also there was rules like, hey, you're not allowed to.
[UNKNOWN]: And I actually lifted those rules.
[UNKNOWN]: So the echo Charles, there was some guys from another seal team that got in trouble for having pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: before I went on my first appointment, so they were, the leadership was already mad.
[UNKNOWN]: And so they're like, hey, you're not allowed to take pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, it's like general order number one.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not allowed to take, there's got to list the things.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was a rule follower, my cookie called no pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: So I didn't have barely any pictures of that first appointment.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the second, like when we got to her body, still the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And then like a couple of weeks into it.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, all right, boys, take some pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I had
[UNKNOWN]: I knew we would want some historical documentation of our brothers, so we ended up with some pictures and some more than others, but like me, I have barely any pictures of me.
[UNKNOWN]: There's one picture of me taking, there's a picture taken by army dudes, or by combat camera dudes, but like I have
[UNKNOWN]: I took one series of pictures like in the markedly building for my kids that come to stand in there because they were like, my wife said, can you send us a picture of you?
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, yep, so I took a picture, you know, one of the five pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, and yeah, we can have these reflections in which we would have done things different, but it's also just part of like your personality.
[UNKNOWN]: You've always been very stoic and professional, and, you know, then that you have the other guys that you work with, that while they're professional, there's just the way we all think about things differently.
[UNKNOWN]: I like to take pictures and videos.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a crazy amount of pictures and videos.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, on a on that laptop, I told you that I can't, you know, I'm sure somebody will help me figure this out.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, you know, and also I was, when's the last time you had it figured out?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, geez.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, after Remadi, let's do it quick.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get that thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's figure out what you got on there.
[UNKNOWN]: That'd be awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Matthew Moyer was a Marine that was attached with us.
[UNKNOWN]: He actually sent me a good amount of pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: And those are some of the pictures that we've used in the mustard sign that you're like, where'd you get this from?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, do you remember, I met a dude surfing.
[UNKNOWN]: And he goes, hey, you're Jockel, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And I said, yeah, and he goes, I was a combat camera and Ramadi, I got a bunch of pictures of you and your guys and he dropped off the thumb drive here.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: You've used those pictures, too.
[UNKNOWN]: They're kind of the point of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: He has pictures of when Gunny Gibson got shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the pictures of him getting worked on the courtyard?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are his pictures.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I didn't have those until I met him surfing.
[UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, freaking nice.
[UNKNOWN]: But as I've got an older, I've been more mindful of like, hey, I want to take, you know, I want to capture these things and I still don't do a great job, you know, because we'll do stuff in man as we didn't get a family photo again on my team and I joke to one time with her I was like, man, we just need one of our investments to go through and we'll just hire somebody to just Just capture these moments in our life with our kids, you know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's like when you go do stuff with your family like you want to be present, but I want to also capture it See that's and that's I went too far at the Black Sabbath concert I went too far in the I'm gonna be present and not far enough into I'm gonna document this shit because it's freaking
[UNKNOWN]: epic when we were in Australia for the muster and we're going back to traveling uh when we're in Australia for the muster uh you know we all went to this one spot to uh to surf and when I say we surf it was us watching life surf and just life surfs and he's awesome I do not surf but I enjoy hanging out with my friends and I like watching hey if you like to surf guess what I like to watch his surf man like I just want to be there with you remember I talked about this before
[UNKNOWN]: Seth loves the surf and I didn't surf.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish I would have now, you know, back in the day I wish I would have been surfing with Seth and Guam, but whatever can't go back But I would go to the beach with him because he would go surf and I'd go there just watch Now there's other reasons because a few times he thought the locals were gonna find him He said, I need you to come.
[UNKNOWN]: I think these locals are a fightman.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm done on there
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really don't want to get it fight with locals, but if that's as asked me to be there, I'm going to be there.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, we go to Australia.
[UNKNOWN]: We go to the awesome place to surf and we're in this like a little surf shop.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm standing outside, waiting and looking around.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just like Madison credible beach, like looking around right, being present.
[UNKNOWN]: And I see this dad and his son standing there.
[UNKNOWN]: He has his arm around his son.
[UNKNOWN]: His son's holding a surfboard.
[UNKNOWN]: He's holding a surfboard.
[UNKNOWN]: Silhouette between the trees and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not gonna throw it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, that's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: And I ran across the street, pulled out my phone, and just took some photos.
[UNKNOWN]: And they weren't looking, I mean, they're looking away.
[UNKNOWN]: And I took some photos of them.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they go on on my, hey, like he's serving, he's like, obviously, you can tell him, an American, not Australian.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, hey, I know he's seen a super weird.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm a father, and what I just saw was amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: I captured it for you.
[UNKNOWN]: I took some photos.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have an iPhone?
[UNKNOWN]: He goes, yeah, my cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to air drop them to you.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, really?
[UNKNOWN]: It's an air-dropped into them.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I was like, hey, if you want me to delete them, I can delete them because it's a picture of you in your son.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, no, we're looking away.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I don't, he's like, this was a nice thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Someone's ever done for me, a stranger.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just remember looking at that and I had that thought like if I was him, I'd want that photo.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I was just, you know, just trying to be more mindful as we get older.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I totally blow that all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I do cool stuff with my kids and I'm like, we'll get done doing cool stuff and I mean freaking cool stuff with my kids and I'll get done and be like,
[UNKNOWN]: There's a friend of mine that his daughter wrestled his son wrestles and he's like a professional photographer and now whenever we see that two takes all these awesome pictures But he's taking awesome pictures of like I wouldn't be able I couldn't take these pictures like me and like my daughters getting ready to go wrestle and you know being being able to see that and have that and like a guy
[UNKNOWN]: This guy took a picture.
[UNKNOWN]: It is the best picture of my of Rana and me for sure But she's standing on the top of the bowl right behind her is a giant freaking American flag It says Rana willing on it
[UNKNOWN]: I'm on the ground looking up at her with the big smile on my face and this guy got this picture.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, bro, thank you so and he sent me, you know, they put pictures on like metal, like they got, yeah, he sent a metal one of those.
[UNKNOWN]: And, yeah, just, again, I think this is the lesson learned for today.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, you can only do so much for yourself, but if you see some other cool-sh- is this out of bounds to be like, if you see some people doing some cool stuff, take some pictures of them, and then give them to them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure, for sure, yeah, I don't want to get creepy here.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to get creepy here, but like, that is, this stuff just phase, and I'll tell you another thing is your, you know, your memory.
[UNKNOWN]: your memory fades.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I find that, you know, I grew up in a small town and don't really ever go back there.
[UNKNOWN]: And when I do occasion go back there, people that live there, they remember all these things that I don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think the reason is because every day when they drive, you know, such and such school, they think about all the memories from that school.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like refire those neurons about that school, ever.
[UNKNOWN]: And so those memories just fade away.
[UNKNOWN]: I got a bunch of new memories.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you don't have something to remind you and reconnect those neurons, they're just not going to get reconnected.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, well, even we'll talk, I'll talk to you guys that we're in a
[UNKNOWN]: They won't remember something that we will remember because we talk about it and present it and look at pictures of it where they might not do that, you know, maybe they talk once a year to their whatever to one of their buddies.
[UNKNOWN]: So the memory starts to fade if you don't keep it.
[UNKNOWN]: So documenting and taking pictures in my mind, I've now moved since the Black Sabbath concert.
[UNKNOWN]: I've moved taking pictures to a
[UNKNOWN]: If we pull the thread a little bit deeper on what we're talking about, being present allows you to appreciate what you have.
[UNKNOWN]: No matter how bad the situation might be, there's good and where you're at.
[UNKNOWN]: One of the things I like to say when I'm speaking with companies is my worst day is somebody's dream.
[UNKNOWN]: because I know that my worst day in America millions of people would love to swap and have that bad day that J.B. is having.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this freaking echo Charles over here having a bad day because he got a flat tire on his Cadillac escalator.
[UNKNOWN]: So I get this really flat tummy.
[UNKNOWN]: But it also helps you with your perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I was talking to the guy who's struggling with his faith and I'm
[UNKNOWN]: which I've learned to do from you and life and, you know, just listen, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Just listen.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was a little like not nervous, not scared, but like, this was a serious moment for this guy, and I didn't want to screw it up.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um, but I knew that if I just listen, that I'll be prompted to give him whatever he needs to do here.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm listening to him, I'm praying silently as I'm listening, and then we get done, you know, talking through some stuff, and I just like ask someone like, hey, I want you to actually think, and if you want to write these things down, write them down or whatever, I was like, I actually want you to think about all the good things.
[UNKNOWN]: that God has provided you, all the blessings, all of the things that you weren't felt like you weren't deserving of, and also all the times that you've received forgiveness when you probably think you didn't deserve it.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, just think about it, write it down, and then like we'll talk more.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wanted him to see the mirror himself of like, hey, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, man, my life's not that bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, every time I've had hard times, I've come out on the other side.
[UNKNOWN]: And so guess what?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm probably going to as well here.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's just,
[UNKNOWN]: Being present and thankful, but then also reflecting upon like where you've where you've come from and gone is is pretty Dinging important.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why you know this That Marko's pizza hat is in my closet is the first thing I see Every day when I'm home Just says, you know what I'm not delivering pizzas to try to help make ends meet for my family right now Yep
[UNKNOWN]: Check, uh, last thing from your list I want to cover, what, know what to do in technology fails.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so going back to the fundamentals of what you know is going to work, there's always going to be an evolution of technology, there's going to be, you know, better, faster ways to do things, but there are things that are tried and true.
[UNKNOWN]: And so this isn't so much of a sniper thing, but it applies, it's, you know, when we're teaching, you know, rifle shooting.
[UNKNOWN]: and we have optics on there, guys would take their iron sights off the back and it would drive me crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: And so to teach the lesson, I would take their batteries out if I could without them knowing.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when they'd be on the line, get ready to shoot, they're like, oh my optics not working.
[UNKNOWN]: it off.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, you have to have something that is a backup plan.
[UNKNOWN]: And yes, do I want to use that red dot or that optic from vortex 100%.
[UNKNOWN]: But if it fails, can I still get the job done?
[UNKNOWN]: do I have the ability to get the job done and you know I think about it from like a business standpoint we have a lot of SOPs put in place at echelon front to make it to where we are able to be with our clients and you know some of the SOPs like at first I was just like I don't know this doesn't make sense but then it's like okay yes it does make sense you know like the
[UNKNOWN]: Those are very smart for the business to take care of our clients, like they're very smart.
[UNKNOWN]: And we, you know, and so, you know, if technology is going to fail, how are you going to get the job done?
[UNKNOWN]: And when I got out, I was doing so the financial company, like we had, you know, things on different servers or whatever, but I also kept hard copies.
[UNKNOWN]: just in case.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's one day there's issues with our system and nobody else could do work, but me because I had hard copies that I could still access and make calls and do the job.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah contingency planning yes that's what we're doing um you know what one other thing I will all right I think this might be the last thing I'll I gave you a super long one no no it's all good stuff well we'll just do another podcast and get to arrest some of the other stuff and I'm sure we'll have more questions that come out of this but one of the other things that when I was when I was doing some research and I was reading through a bunch of different I read the Marine Corps sniper manual the army sniper manual I didn't read the whole thing but I looked at them
[UNKNOWN]: and the special operations, special forces, sniper manual.
[UNKNOWN]: So those were kind of the ones that I looked at, just getting some ideas.
[UNKNOWN]: But one of the things that I found was really interesting was they had a little section in one of them, I feel which one it was, but it was about target indicators, it's like what?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is something seen?
[UNKNOWN]: And so you know, it talked about smell or how do you detect a target right it talked about smell And it talked about Tactile which is like what you can feel what this is kind of a they made a little bit of a stretch there because it's like a trip wire Which for sure, but that's not really a sniper thing.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just a Soldering thing But the visual piece right and this is stuff that I was like I remember learning this stuff what makes what makes things
[UNKNOWN]: Visible right so and the list of almost like oh the thing is out of place like it's just a thing that is out of place So is that is an out of place shape and is that shape recognizable as something Shadows like shadows can make something stand out Silhouettes can make something stand out a different surface texture can make something stand out
[UNKNOWN]: the spacing, like a spacing that doesn't match the environment, can make something stand out.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, color can make something stand out and then movement can make something stand out.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and what I thought was interesting about this is as we learn in the seal teams and you learn it, you learn all these things at a basic level as just a regular seal and then as snipers, you're going to learn it like probably four times more, like four times more, what this looks like.
[UNKNOWN]: And what it does is when you when you learn about how to what to look for how to identify a target and you guys put in sniper sclery play on these kids gain and you and as sniper instructors you spend a lot of time observing looking for all these things.
[UNKNOWN]: But my point in saying all this is because once you learn what to look for obviously you reverse engineer that to figure out how to not be found.
[UNKNOWN]: And what's interesting is what it boils down to is it teaches you as a sniper when you learn how to look for things, it teaches you to how to be self-aware of what visual signals you're giving off.
[UNKNOWN]: And what that teaches you is true self-awareness.
[UNKNOWN]: and so as you interact in the world, just as you think a sniper that was easily able to find a target using these looking for these things, how stupid would that sniper be to not then take advantage of that information to camouflage correctly?
[UNKNOWN]: Well isn't it interesting that we as human beings are instinctive to look at other people and pick them apart?
[UNKNOWN]: And go, I can't believe JP's talking a bunch during this meeting, I can't believe I can't believe I can't believe JP's coming to hear this attitude I can't believe JP's got a big ego, I can't believe JP's trying to take credit for this And I apply all those things to you
[UNKNOWN]: But I never say, geez, why am I in this meeting, trying to take credit for this thing?
[UNKNOWN]: Or why am I of the one that's running my mind?
[UNKNOWN]: We need to become self-aware.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think sniper school and a sniper skill is becoming a cutely self-aware of how you are presenting to the world from a visual standpoint and a noise standpoint and a smell standpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: But really, that visual is how you are presenting to the world whereas
[UNKNOWN]: you have to apply it to yourself and in the civilian sector we can easily see what makes someone stand out in a negative way and yet we don't apply those rules to ourselves and that is extremely problematic.
[UNKNOWN]: So I would say be careful of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah be careful of that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I love, you know, that we do the balance assessment at echelon front because if you're humble and doing it honestly, you'll see the mirror very clear.
[UNKNOWN]: And the more you do it, the more you understand our principles.
[UNKNOWN]: more zoomed in that mirror comes and it's uh it can be humbly you start to see some stuff that's out of place out of shape you start to see shadows still the wets and surfaces that don't they just don't match yes they don't fit in there they're supposed to fit in there in you know
[UNKNOWN]: The reason why I brought that up is because as a sniper, when we were learning to build hides and part of stalking and urban hides or hides out in the field, if you had the ability to get everything set up and then go look at it from a different perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: It allowed you to see, oh my setup is good.
[UNKNOWN]: And as you do that over time you can actually build the skill set to know that if I do this this and this I don't have to go look because I know how I look.
[UNKNOWN]: I know how I feel.
[UNKNOWN]: I you know, and it's like Did I use the right backdrops did I use the right environmental Things that I'm using to wedge up in front and wedge up behind to take away that death's perception
[UNKNOWN]: Did I break up all my straight lines and 90 degree angles with different things and you know First it takes okay try it look
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like what we teach a national on front where we want to talk about our core values, how leadership is the skill, what we have to learn it, get to put it into practice, assess, then adjust and you just keep running that loop.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you do it enough and enough and enough, you'll know the adjustments you're making are trending in the right direction without having to take too much time to reflect.
[UNKNOWN]: And you can now, you can make real time adjustments in the right direction.
[UNKNOWN]: And isn't it interesting though, you can, when you first build your first sniper hide site, and you think you're good to go, and you think no one can see you, and then trade that comes along, pull you out and goes, hey, come over here, walk 50 yards or something over here.
[UNKNOWN]: Now go look at your hide site, and you're like, oh my God, it's, you know, some pathetic just thing that sticks out horribly, and like you said, you, okay, so lesson learned,
[UNKNOWN]: interacting with other people leadership things where they don't think anyone's going to see what they're doing and it stands out so much and you got to be self-aware.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure I shared this on a previous episode here if not it's been on other podcasts or my podcast I know I shared this story when I was a kid I was building urban sniper hides not knowing what I was doing and
[UNKNOWN]: And I set up in my garage, which was elevated off the street, cracked the garage door, had my BB gun.
[UNKNOWN]: And I set it up to where I was going to be laying behind it, turn off all the lights in there, walked out to the street.
[UNKNOWN]: I was seeing if I could see anything in there.
[UNKNOWN]: And when I realized, oh, nope, you can't see anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Then I went and got on there.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, we'll set up.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I definitely was not shooting at the mailman.
[UNKNOWN]: That was driving by.
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely did not do that.
[UNKNOWN]: And even if you were statute of limitations, you know, he's good to allegedly.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I write on, write on awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, what were about to commit up with the boys?
[UNKNOWN]: I promise.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm asking a bruiser here in a little bit, which is going to be awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know I've got a few of them scheduled to come on.
[UNKNOWN]: I've also got some some, uh, I got another army guy coming on, which he was, you know, down there with us.
[UNKNOWN]: So good, going to bring in some more.
[UNKNOWN]: historical documentation.
[UNKNOWN]: Before it all gets forgotten.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we're gonna go do that in a little bit in the meantime How's your workout program going right now?
[UNKNOWN]: It's good.
[UNKNOWN]: How's your jock of fuel intake going?
[UNKNOWN]: Man, that new pros here, he's pretty legit.
[UNKNOWN]: Let the muscle drive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: People are like, is it worth it?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, yes, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, without a shadow, without absolutely, you know, I'm down about 30 pounds.
[UNKNOWN]: And strength is still worth that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously, when you're down, what's the biggest change?
[UNKNOWN]: How long has it taken you go down 30 pounds?
[UNKNOWN]: I did it pretty quick.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have to look back through, like, what's the biggest, what's the changes that you made?
[UNKNOWN]: Have you on my protein like protein first thing in the morning you know getting 30 to 45 grams of protein right away That's a mulk that's a mulk cookie and a mulk by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if you're wondering Getting that you know Jason Cleopi has this shoulder shoulder challenge right now It's 45 grams of protein right in the morning first thing So I'm doing that so the first thing like when you wake up is that the first yes no get fuel in your body Okay, your brain needs it
[UNKNOWN]: Right now, I know there's some people are going to be talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm not fast at everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything's everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything's got to, it does match.
[UNKNOWN]: But I can tell you what I've been doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what we're talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: And guess what?
[UNKNOWN]: I've been trending in a good direction with my health.
[UNKNOWN]: So I know what works for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know everyone has different things.
[UNKNOWN]: So when you say first thing in the morning, like you are getting out of bed and you're like brushing your teeth, going downstairs and brushing a mole.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I was a clear on that.
[UNKNOWN]: within an hour to 90 minutes of being awake.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to consume that protein before after you work out.
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm so right now, so when this comes out, is this coming out next Friday or Wednesday?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So this comes out next Wednesday.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you're listening the day of tomorrow night, I'll be starting my 31-mile ruck for the 15-year anniversary of extortion 17.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm starting in the evening doing 31 miles pushing through the night and now you know I have actually like 67 people there like I'm going to do all 30 like Josh Rossberger who else is Or so as I said on front he's doing all 31 but son Aiden and I am full of other buddies are doing that but
[UNKNOWN]: What I'm saying is like when I went with that is if I'm going to go do a rock like I'll get some protein in like a liquid former protein before you work out is a great fuel source So it might just be a milk not additional stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So a milk with some carbs and go before you work out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I want you need the fuel Right, you know, and then afterwards
[UNKNOWN]: another 45 right away that's and that's a good way if you're got 90 in the tank 90 grams of protein yeah like in in the AM that's all and you know using um just calculations of like hey this is where I want to be I want to be around the 210 range cool non-negotiable 210 grams of protein today
[UNKNOWN]: And then, for me, how hard is it for you to get up to 110 grams protein down?
[UNKNOWN]: Not hard at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Good, good.
[UNKNOWN]: There's some people to struggle with that.
[UNKNOWN]: But maybe that's because they're eating just like freaking, well, what are they eating though?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if it's a high protein source, it's actually not that hard to do.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you start in the morning, it's really easy to do.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's for me to give me good energy like I like clean carbs rice potatoes fruit and then I just I don't consume a lot of fat You know, and that's any time I follow that I slim up
[UNKNOWN]: but also being physically active every day.
[UNKNOWN]: Just a non-negotiable for me is something every day.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether it's training jujitsu, lifting weights, even if it's like, hey, I'm just gonna throw on the rock and just get a mollin'.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, hey, I just flew in.
[UNKNOWN]: My flight was delayed.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't land until 1245.
[UNKNOWN]: It didn't get back to my house until 145 in the morning.
[UNKNOWN]: I cannot at least go walk a mile with the rock on to know that I did that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, there's times where I'll show up to a jiu-jitsu, just out of discipline.
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's like, hey, I know that if I don't come, then that goes down the path that I don't want to go.
[UNKNOWN]: The other thing is just, you know, taking ownership over my health and my blood work and getting blood work done and recognizing, okay, hey, here's where my markers are.
[UNKNOWN]: having, you know, being on TRT, having healthy, sustainable, like levels of testosterone, and then taking peptides for recovery.
[UNKNOWN]: And I freaking feel great.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: Good to go.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't, yeah, are you going to Jiu-Jitsu Camp?
[UNKNOWN]: Emerging camp.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll get.
[UNKNOWN]: So Jockel feel we talked about muscle drive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Must drive.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about milk protein.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about what are both drinking some energy drink right now, which is clean in the best.
[UNKNOWN]: We're both drinking hydrate right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Pretty good combo.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the other thing is making sure I'm drinking enough water and hydrates throughout the day, which helps with your energy, clarity, all that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And once I wake up also
[UNKNOWN]: which I know isn't 20, it's only in 16, but whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: 16 to 20 ounces right away, because when you sleep, you dehydrate yourself just by breathing about 20 ounces of water.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you don't do that, you're starting off in a dehydrated state.
[UNKNOWN]: So make sure I'm hydrating with water, the hydrates, and like the mulks, and yeah, everything from drografield makes it so easy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was looking at this morning.
[UNKNOWN]: We had a joccal fuel meeting and we were going through the product roadmap for like the next year.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, okay, so next year I will be consuming nothing but joccal fuel.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we got such good stuff coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to make everyone all fired up, but like we got
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, bars.
[UNKNOWN]: They're on the road map.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Road map.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: But by the way, so just so, you know, fruity cereal was going to be a limited time.
[UNKNOWN]: But it did so well.
[UNKNOWN]: It's permanent time.
[UNKNOWN]: And, and Jolato Raspberry Jolato is heading in the same direction right now.
[UNKNOWN]: It'll take a little bit of time to the logistics behind it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, because we got to do it in the run of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Note it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: But Jolato is an iterative step if it makes sense for business, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Which I would think it would.
[UNKNOWN]: But, man, you put that in a ninja cremery.
[UNKNOWN]: Mmm.
[UNKNOWN]: the Ninja Creamy and protein ice cream.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be Jocco to revise cream.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, it's a mole.
[UNKNOWN]: I am not quite mastered the Ninja Creamy, but what I have mastered is the Greek yogurt with mole.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is such a cheat code to just eat dessert anytime you want.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I forgot to take the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's freaking ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, if you don't want dessert, if you just want breakfast, you can put banana in there.
[UNKNOWN]: You can put strawberry in there, and you can have like a fruit situation, and then at night, you can have chocolate, or you can have mint chocolate.
[UNKNOWN]: You can have peanut butter, so if you get, you get like, what is that called in the morning?
[UNKNOWN]: What is it called when something you eat something sweet in the morning, or something tasty?
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's not really dessert.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there a name for it?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I guess.
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[UNKNOWN]: Also, origin USA.
[UNKNOWN]: So we got a GD2 camp.
[UNKNOWN]: There's still time to come.
[UNKNOWN]: We got slots open.
[UNKNOWN]: It's August 23rd through the 28th.
[UNKNOWN]: It's between zero and seven hours of GD2 a day.
[UNKNOWN]: Like depending on where you're at bro, like if you want to come.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hey, I honestly
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not kidding.
[UNKNOWN]: If you didn't even do any jujitsu, none.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's say, let's say, like last year, I had a hurt neck.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't train.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was just there.
[UNKNOWN]: Does it was that hurt kind of because I wanted to train, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: But.
[UNKNOWN]: Even still you know it's still fun.
[UNKNOWN]: So even if even if I had like a bat if I had a torn ACL right now And you still go to camp you're still gonna have fun even if you didn't do jujitsu Even if you're like, oh, I'm just gonna go and hang out with JP and hang out with echo and hang out with Jaco and tour the factory and see what's going on Swimming the lake and do the stand-up paddle boarding like
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's fun, it's it's adult summer camp I'm if I'm out of merchant camp or signed up to go Like whether I'm on my way there or there, and if I tear my ACL, I'm still training Like a merchant camp is so on or you could train with a tool.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because remember when I tore my bicep and I couldn't train It was like like two months or something after it got surgery or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I still train you told me not to I did still train but I throughout the I was responsible Yeah, I heard it, but like are you saying oh, yeah, you don't have to train you go to hang out with this person Hang out with that person.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like I was doing workouts with people.
[UNKNOWN]: You can do other workouts So I was gonna work out or whatever Eight people will come with me, you know, so it's like yeah, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like this big
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, kind of vacation camp kind of jujitsu in there as much as you want.
[UNKNOWN]: It's good time jujitsu food lake activities barbeque activities Story campfire activities because the campfire has like a full I did like a two hour Q&A down there last year Like it's just freaking when rolling lifting gym on another when you and Pete sit and do Q&A and talk about business
[UNKNOWN]: That alone is worth the cost of care and it's a jujitsu camp.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the jujitsu.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean Yeah, that's just going to be off the hook by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, of course, obviously, but what it's like with the 30 black belts there Something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I was thinking about this.
[UNKNOWN]: I knew we were going to talk about this You know, at Ashland front, we have a hard time Properly communicating the expectations versus reality of what our field training exercises
[UNKNOWN]: I know we want to do a podcast breaking that down, expectations versus reality, there's a lot of wrong expectations around the field training exercise we do versus the reality of what you get.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same thing for a merchant camp.
[UNKNOWN]: And this actually one of the things I wanted to talk with you and P into Deco and Amanda about is,
[UNKNOWN]: The excretations are, I'm sorry, the excretations are bad, but I don't think people truly understand the reality of what you get at immersion camp.
[UNKNOWN]: I was legitimately frustrated with you.
[UNKNOWN]: The first time I went to immersion camp because a year prior, you and Echo had gone,
[UNKNOWN]: And, and that first year is when they only did like, I'm sorry, they did full week or half on the front half on the back.
[UNKNOWN]: I had a gig at the beginning of that week, so I was only able to come to the half, the last half.
[UNKNOWN]: I was so mad that I wasn't able to be there the whole week.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I got frustrated and I'm like, dude, they were here last year and I didn't get experiences with them.
[UNKNOWN]: So not frustrated at you, but frustrated that I didn't get, I didn't have an extra year under my belt being at camp.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was after that first immersion camp that I went to.
[UNKNOWN]: When I came home and I was talking about it with Amanda, you know, it was from that moment on I was like, this is a non-negotiable on my calendar, like I have to be here without um, because
[UNKNOWN]: some of the friendships that people create and business relationships that people create at a immersion camp or life-changing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: So, OriginUSA.com, coming register, coming to camp.
[UNKNOWN]: It's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, OriginUSA, 100% made in America built by freedom.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you see the speech I gave at the, at the, uh, by opening?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, at the, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: built by freedom was in there.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We slid it in there, not built by the government, not built by the state, not built by the bureaucrats.
[UNKNOWN]: America was built by freedom and origin is built by freedom.
[UNKNOWN]: So 100% American made stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Geese, jeans, hoodies, t-shirts, training gear, whatever you need boots.
[UNKNOWN]: Check out originusa.com and get some.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, we noticed JP's over here straight up representing the t-shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so that's the newest good shirt, by the way, for people watching on video.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: What a dish.
[UNKNOWN]: 3.0.
[UNKNOWN]: 3rd of this.
[UNKNOWN]: 3.0.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, it's from Jockel Store.
[UNKNOWN]: You can get this clinicals freedom stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Mine's a standby to get some of that By the way, when I did a video the other day and people were saying they they saw my shirt That I'm currently wearing which says Jockel fuel on it and People were interested in where the shirt came from and where they could get one I can guess maybe Yeah, yeah, Jockel fuel, but we don't we don't really sell this Okay, that's the inside inside track.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the inside.
[UNKNOWN]: This is my shirt
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: You're gonna really make these for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Good thing we were in the same size But okay, yeah, Jockel feel cool.
[UNKNOWN]: That's that's good not very helpful.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm like, do you know for that?
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, if you want the good one or the just win these freedom you want to stand by to get some hell Yeah, Jockel store.com all day.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I was hinting that we should make a circle.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah I'm right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm indirect approach.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good.
[UNKNOWN]: Which was not received.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: is a member of the shirt locker, and I mean, if we're not, the only time he's not wearing something from Jocco store is if we're going somewhere, if we're going somewhere, doing something that he wants to like a button up shirt on.
[UNKNOWN]: If it's non button up shirt wearing,
[UNKNOWN]: It's 100% shirt locker.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of people on that on that representation.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah You've seen Jamie Cochran's entire family.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, they're just really they because there's a lot of them Mom's that, you know kids and there's all all of them.
[UNKNOWN]: 100% just jacquoise jacquille shirt locker shirts.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Flynn will send me pictures of all of them just doing doing normal stuff, you know, just all of them just doing abnormal stuff too, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They might be in a sick workout as a family or they might be like out of at the grocery store and representing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, one of them had a bulletproof vest on with a shirt lock the shirt underneath.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, oh, that is a hard core represent call that props props props to it props for our home
[UNKNOWN]: So sure locker if you don't know what it is, we all do, but if you don't, it's a subscription scenario.
[UNKNOWN]: New design every week seems a little bit more creative than the, you know, the root's basic stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: It's good, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: People seem to like it.
[UNKNOWN]: Next month one, what is the August?
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of a masters.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Like a transformer's kind of themed.
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty dope.
[UNKNOWN]: It came out good.
[UNKNOWN]: The JP was in transformer's.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so you're gonna like don't a little bit of a stretch I was an extra plan in an ABC oh no that's figured it out yeah no but you're gonna learn to learn to learn oh yeah yeah yeah I mean there's a scene that you can see me jumping out of the back of the helicopter when it crashes and that guy jumps out and you see the machine gun going off like that's me jumping out
[UNKNOWN]: carrying and shooting the Mark 46.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a real stretch of a character.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so if you like down, that's that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the short locker.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, if you want to check out what the short locker is more about.
[UNKNOWN]: You can go to jokester.com, click on the top to the short locker.
[UNKNOWN]: You can just kind of see what it's all about.
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd seem to like it.
[UNKNOWN]: But everything else, yeah?
[UNKNOWN]: on jockelstore.com.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll look into it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I appreciate it.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, also, uh, we got some books.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, let's see, we got put your legs on by Rob Jones.
[UNKNOWN]: We got need to lead by Dave Burke.
[UNKNOWN]: I've written a bunch of books for kids, wrote a couple books with Dave Babin, leadership books, discipline equals freedom.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess that's a leadership book if you're talking about leading yourself and the warrior kid books, of course Warrior kid movie coming November 25th global release On Apple Are we ready for that you're it?
[UNKNOWN]: So ready for that ready for that when we got a JP's working on his book feverishly working on his book So we'll get that to you as soon as we can Did you just paint me in the corner on the present one?
[UNKNOWN]: Apparently privately paying you in the corner hasn't really done it, so here we go, publicly Putting you there on on notice Ash's on front if you have a company and you have problems in your company There's a decent chance that you do and the problems that you have are leadership problems and in order to solve those leadership problems You need leadership and so that's what we do at Ash's on front.
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[UNKNOWN]: I just got a book in the mail, a cookbook from MicahFinksWife about food being healing medicine.
[UNKNOWN]: So big age, my wife, she ordered that book and it's really good.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll give you a, and I can only,
[UNKNOWN]: past judgment on the on the physical nature of the book.
[UNKNOWN]: It's big.
[UNKNOWN]: It's clean looking.
[UNKNOWN]: It's well put together some image pictures and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's a badass book and you don't really say a cookbook is badass.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean I've never seen a badass cookbook.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just a good cookbook before but I've never seen a badass cookbook.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Micah thinks wife made a badass cookbook because you know Micah thinks involved in those faces.
[UNKNOWN]: He's going hard with the cookbooks.
[UNKNOWN]: So you can check that out heroes and horses.org and then Jimmy May's organization got the Navy SEAL swim taking place in New York.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe the date is August 15th.
[UNKNOWN]: beyond the brotherhood.org.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's in August, let's say.
[UNKNOWN]: If they go to the website, the gates there.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's going to help a lot of people with their lives.
[UNKNOWN]: So, check out beyond the brotherhood.org.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, we got warriors in need, taking our military aviation specialists, and getting them in a pipeline,
[UNKNOWN]: to fill the 11,000 jobs that are short in America.
[UNKNOWN]: So check that out.
[UNKNOWN]: If you know an aviation person from the military and they're getting out, we got a mission form.
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[UNKNOWN]: So check that out.
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[UNKNOWN]: You got your podcast too.
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[UNKNOWN]: When you're on social media, obviously, just be careful because it's a brain destroyer.
[UNKNOWN]: Now they're coming out with these studies that are saying that these kids aren't even developing properly.
[UNKNOWN]: If you've seen these studies, big studies, hey, these kids brains are not developing properly because they're older.
[UNKNOWN]: If you think about how dopamine gets filled into our brain
[UNKNOWN]: And if I look at Instagram, I'll be like, oh, that's neat.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll be excited by some stupid shit that I just saw in there.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know it's stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm at least able to go, okay, that you're wasting your time.
[UNKNOWN]: But when you're nine, you just, you have no, you're just, just like you can't control your temper when you're seven.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, when you're, you're not going to be able to control your, uh, to stop yourself from freaking looking at this bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: If that's what we're doing here.
[UNKNOWN]: uh uh thank you for having me back on here uh when did you say the last time you were on uh 409 or 406 so that's like years ago yeah yeah it's been a while yeah I appreciate being on here I love what we get to do at echelon front you know this october will be in Denver for the next
[UNKNOWN]: shy of my 10 year anniversary with you, and leave at echelon front, which also was the anniversary of the very first master, which was, you know, one year to the day after extreme ownership came out, which was also to the date when you guys left for a body.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just, you know, think back in the last 10 years of what we've been
[UNKNOWN]: So that people can actually take these things and apply them to their lives to improve their business, their marriage, their health.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really incredible to see what has grown from what you and life built.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know to an extent.
[UNKNOWN]: what it took for you guys to build this, and I don't know all the details, and the sacrifice that it took you in life to build this, which changed my life, which changed my family's life,
[UNKNOWN]: which is awesome, but I know the principles in extreme ownership and economy of leadership and leadership strategy in tactics and the field manual has changed hundreds of thousands of peoples of lives.
[UNKNOWN]: And to know that I'm a small piece of it is freaking awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Just like to know that we were a small piece of what those soldiers and Marines did in Ramadi is absolutely incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was doing it in a vent last year in Vegas and a guy came up to me and a line of people to talk with afterwards and this guy is getting closer and closer and he's all
[UNKNOWN]: very tall.
[UNKNOWN]: I put this to the group.
[UNKNOWN]: Very tall.
[UNKNOWN]: I rack you guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I could tell he's a middle eastern descent and he's getting closer and he's a big guy.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm just, you know, talking with people, interacting, getting closer and he's he's next up to talk with me and I could see that he's getting emotional.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's next up, you know, shakes his ladies hand afterwards.
[UNKNOWN]: He gives me a hug, take a photo, she gives me a hug again, and she walks away.
[UNKNOWN]: And I look at the guy and I smile and he, he steps in and just gives me a hug.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I gave him a hug back and kind of like, instead back, and he has tears in his eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's looking at me and he said, my family,
[UNKNOWN]: was able to leave her body before all those things happened.
[UNKNOWN]: We were able to escape her body when it was starting to get bad.
[UNKNOWN]: But our whole family wasn't able to leave.
[UNKNOWN]: And he goes that picture of the first all-girl school that was established.
[UNKNOWN]: My niece was a part of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I just want to say thank you to what you Americans did for us.
[UNKNOWN]: He said, can I show you something?
[UNKNOWN]: I said, yes, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: He pulls out his phone, pulls up Instagram.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, this is my niece.
[UNKNOWN]: She lives here in America.
[UNKNOWN]: She's finishing up med school.
[UNKNOWN]: She's engaged to get married.
[UNKNOWN]: And her life is completely drastically changed.
[UNKNOWN]: because of what you guys did, because thank you, and to know that we were a small piece of that, it was incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: And I still have that feeling doing what we do at Ashland front knowing I'm a small piece of what you guys have built and it's incredible to know that we have these opportunities and I'm thankful that I get to do what we do every single day.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know you and Leif always say this.
[UNKNOWN]: we're just getting started.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm looking forward to the next decade.
[UNKNOWN]: Jack.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you are an integral piece, both in Ramadi, in Tasking, the Bruiser and in the National Unfront, since day one.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's the way you operate.
[UNKNOWN]: You always bring impact, you always punch above your weight, and you always make things happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes you make things happen where I got to freaking pull the reins and you know that's what we talk about but you know that's where we're here for and that's an awesome story I uh I just met a guy same thing I was at an event and a guy came up to me he was seven years old in Ramadi when we were there and you know he was just so thankful that we were there and they left before ISIS came but just it's amazing to meet those people that were there at the time
[UNKNOWN]: Awesome, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for coming back, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for what you've always done for me for for tasking a bruiser, for the teams, and for America.
[UNKNOWN]: And what you're continuing to do by being out there and spreading the principles that we learned.
[UNKNOWN]: So, thanks, brother.
[UNKNOWN]: Appreciate it.
[UNKNOWN]: And thanks to all of our military personnel right now that are deployed around the world
[UNKNOWN]: And as the saying goes, God bless our troops, especially the snipers.
[UNKNOWN]: Also thanks to our police law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret services, as well as all other first responders.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for protecting us here at home and everyone else out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, being a sniper is a skill and leadership is a skill.
[UNKNOWN]: And really, if you disobey them out a little bit, life is a skill.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're not born with the skills of a sniper, you're not born with the skills of leadership, and you're not really born with life skills either.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to learn them.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to practice them.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to earn them.
[UNKNOWN]: And you do that by paying attention.
[UNKNOWN]: By paying attention to how you do things, by paying attention to how you do everything.
[UNKNOWN]: The details matter, so pay attention to what you are doing and how you are doing it and how you are improving your skills.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's all we got for tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: Until next time, this is JP and Echo and Jocco out.