WEBVTT 00:00.372 --> 00:02.373 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, going to the base one side is Prospect Show. 00:02.473 --> 00:04.354 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Adam Weiner, joined by fanside. 00:04.394 --> 00:06.015 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Prospect Guru Eric Cole. 00:06.075 --> 00:07.996 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you guys stick in the trade deadline. 00:08.676 --> 00:10.397 [SPEAKER_01]: You guys like over the trade deadline. 00:11.098 --> 00:13.079 [SPEAKER_01]: Now yet, not yet. 00:13.119 --> 00:15.560 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we ought to Prospect Show for you. 00:15.880 --> 00:18.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Robert and I did a live show day of deadline. 00:18.181 --> 00:20.682 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about who might move, who did move, what we think about the moves. 00:20.963 --> 00:23.264 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we recap to yesterday that one up. 00:23.304 --> 00:24.364 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for playing with us. 00:24.464 --> 00:25.565 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was fun talking about that. 00:25.585 --> 00:26.425 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also said show, hey, 00:29.907 --> 00:33.088 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long week, it's been a long month, it's been a long year. 00:33.348 --> 00:35.548 [SPEAKER_01]: The Red Sox for 29 and 5 and the last 34 games. 00:35.848 --> 00:40.809 [SPEAKER_01]: But today we do the prospect tinge breakdown of who change hands of the trade deadline. 00:41.129 --> 00:42.590 [SPEAKER_01]: Most intriguing prospects move. 00:42.610 --> 00:47.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Processes we can't believe worked out a couple of packages that we are like, oh man, a fabric company fruition. 00:47.871 --> 00:51.992 [SPEAKER_01]: But we'll talk about it all here to bring it down with me, is Eric Cole, Eric, welcome to the show. 00:52.792 --> 00:55.812 [SPEAKER_01]: Out of the decompression chamber from the end of the deadline, how are you feeling? 00:55.832 --> 00:56.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you evolve faculties? 00:56.993 --> 00:58.293 [SPEAKER_01]: All your limbs are everything good? 00:59.221 --> 01:01.902 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it kind of feels like we're still in the decompression java, right? 01:01.942 --> 01:05.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the week, the week never really ended last week. 01:05.444 --> 01:07.925 [SPEAKER_00]: We just kept going and then the dreaded line happened. 01:08.265 --> 01:09.806 [SPEAKER_00]: But like everything settled down a lot. 01:09.946 --> 01:12.787 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that for both of us, it's been kind of a long week. 01:13.047 --> 01:14.468 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's been a very fun week. 01:14.488 --> 01:16.089 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a very active trade deadline. 01:16.169 --> 01:17.149 [SPEAKER_00]: Some weird things happened. 01:17.590 --> 01:23.692 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we had the same level of like a lot buster trades, maybe that we were kind of open for, but there were so some big deals that happened. 01:24.113 --> 01:24.353 [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing. 01:25.695 --> 01:29.458 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess there's nothing that like, we're gonna look back and go, wow, we never saw that coming. 01:29.498 --> 01:42.509 [SPEAKER_00]: When we kind of, we saw these moves coming, we just weren't sure if anything was gonna happen just because there's so much talk of like, well, maybe the CBA or keep people from making trades or, oh, they're asking prices are too high, they're just not, none of these buyers are gonna wanna pay what these sellers are wanting to sell. 01:42.529 --> 01:46.112 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it ended up in, there were plenty of moves, lots of different types of players, it was a lot of fun. 01:46.392 --> 01:48.354 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot to talk about in terms of the prospect side for sure. 01:48.830 --> 02:00.798 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's certainly one player who's controlled only through 27 that I don't think the acquiring team looked at that as a sunk cost loss season based on the prospect package that they surrendered for that person without an extension. 02:01.278 --> 02:02.859 [SPEAKER_01]: A reminder, join us 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by us, getting in that guy. 02:58.425 --> 03:03.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so who in your mind is the most intriguing prospect traded at the deadline in any deal? 03:04.047 --> 03:04.867 [SPEAKER_01]: And uh, I think, 03:05.587 --> 03:07.267 [SPEAKER_01]: You said no real blockbusters. 03:07.568 --> 03:09.608 [SPEAKER_01]: Tara Scoob will biggest name the change hands. 03:10.048 --> 03:20.011 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't say desire hope, a lot of people aren't gonna be mad at you because the best prospects should probably go for the best star, but these are rental and who knows. 03:20.071 --> 03:22.432 [SPEAKER_01]: And are you gonna make our audience crazy and angry? 03:22.472 --> 03:25.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially in Milwaukee and Tampa, who is your take here? 03:25.733 --> 03:27.013 [SPEAKER_01]: Most intriguing prospect you move. 03:27.684 --> 03:29.686 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it looks, I hope it's the easy answer, right? 03:29.746 --> 03:31.128 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just like it's easy money. 03:31.208 --> 03:31.769 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, who's it? 03:31.789 --> 03:35.373 [SPEAKER_00]: They trade to Rik's school for, okay, that's the headlight or that's the guy, right? 03:35.953 --> 03:43.341 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like Xyar, but I think that there's more than just hand to talk about in terms of, look, he's going to a Tiger's organization that 03:44.302 --> 03:46.543 [SPEAKER_00]: If they're going to be getting rid of school, they need to be getting high and down. 03:46.963 --> 03:48.504 [SPEAKER_00]: So I certainly fit that mold. 03:48.644 --> 03:53.225 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have almost hoped that they could have figured out a way to convince that later, give them just way to follow up to Paula instead. 03:53.646 --> 03:58.767 [SPEAKER_00]: But understandably, the doctors decided that between those two, they knew who they wanted to keep and who they were willing to get rid of. 03:59.988 --> 04:03.309 [SPEAKER_00]: Jefferson, or Hossus, another option for this conversation. 04:03.329 --> 04:07.771 [SPEAKER_00]: So guy who can absolutely hit and I think that's a deal that might look 04:08.835 --> 04:15.141 [SPEAKER_00]: worse significantly worse down the line because he's just so far away and the way he's kind of going you could kind of see that going wrong. 04:15.642 --> 04:17.764 [SPEAKER_00]: But my answer is Josiah Ragsdale. 04:18.504 --> 04:27.072 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy who's really tech like we talked about this as the the trick that lets go down and I'm like I'm sorry they gave up Ragsdale to the carpools. 04:28.032 --> 04:33.017 [SPEAKER_00]: In that package, look, we might talk about Dustin May and Joe Joe Romero that package later on. 04:33.398 --> 04:39.684 [SPEAKER_00]: But you're training in the division for a reliever and a starter, both of whom are rentals. 04:40.345 --> 04:43.949 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're giving up a really tooled up hitter. 04:45.656 --> 04:48.478 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I understand doing that. 04:48.558 --> 04:54.341 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not the guy who's going to be very excited about giving up real prospects for rentals, just because you're, it's not even that you're getting half a season of them. 04:54.361 --> 04:55.261 [SPEAKER_00]: You're getting two months. 04:55.961 --> 04:57.502 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the case of pictures, that's like what? 04:58.603 --> 05:01.725 [SPEAKER_00]: Six starts, maybe seven kind of events on how things are going. 05:02.025 --> 05:03.385 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, the postseason matters. 05:03.545 --> 05:04.366 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand that. 05:04.526 --> 05:06.167 [SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, you're giving up. 05:07.553 --> 05:08.334 [SPEAKER_00]: like real town. 05:08.454 --> 05:13.920 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have had, I don't know what Ragsdale is right in the kind of organizational rankings where like, oh, that kind of makes sense. 05:14.040 --> 05:20.988 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you, when everyone's doing the Ragsdale is going to be significantly higher, and I, again, hard for me to understand that one. 05:21.008 --> 05:21.288 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 05:21.808 --> 05:27.715 [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of like intriguing of like, wow, this guy who's really far away, he could turn into something special Ragsdale's my guy. 05:28.701 --> 05:29.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 05:29.402 --> 05:45.112 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that that was such a, again, may and Romero go indivision and there are some of the huge indivision deals on Deadline Day that that one got lost in the shuffle a little bit that you know, it's a rental reliever, a lefty who's on the IL right now having a tough time goes for Ragsdale. 05:46.193 --> 05:51.198 [SPEAKER_01]: The brewers, that's not the only time they stole headlines, of course, they're involved in the school situation. 05:51.618 --> 05:53.039 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're the rays to an extent. 05:53.680 --> 06:03.869 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a rumor that the rays were asked to include the o'gillin and bulked at that, decided not to do it for any paralta, goes the rays instead, one star didn't not so fantastic. 06:04.470 --> 06:07.052 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a rays fan on Twitter who said, you know, 06:08.033 --> 06:19.184 [SPEAKER_01]: I, apologies if I'm going to be called a bootlicker for this, but if the rays were asked for Gillen and the brewers couldn't figure out a package, you know, they offer a panias supposedly and they can't figure it out. 06:19.204 --> 06:26.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Why isn't DePaula in that Dodgers ask and you brought him up on prompt that I do think it's a valid question, but from the brewers side, 06:27.730 --> 06:31.153 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of discourse on, you know, the brewers can't afford to do this. 06:31.173 --> 06:34.035 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers can replenish what they lost with money alone. 06:34.095 --> 06:39.179 [SPEAKER_01]: The brewers can't, the brewers have an incredible replenishing talent over the last half decade plus. 06:40.163 --> 06:43.624 [SPEAKER_01]: But look, Logan Henderson, probably a bridge too far. 06:43.664 --> 06:44.844 [SPEAKER_01]: We know Painia was in it. 06:45.584 --> 06:49.185 [SPEAKER_01]: The brewers were going to have to get irrational to win this scuba bidding. 06:49.705 --> 06:51.485 [SPEAKER_01]: And they lost the scuba bidding, and didn't. 06:51.725 --> 06:57.726 [SPEAKER_01]: But if it's you, if you're staring, he goes to the Dodgers in 2027 almost definitely. 06:58.006 --> 07:00.167 [SPEAKER_01]: But we can stop them, we can delay them. 07:00.227 --> 07:02.387 [SPEAKER_01]: If we go head to head, we've got him this year. 07:02.807 --> 07:04.227 [SPEAKER_01]: And that matters. 07:04.307 --> 07:06.908 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you value that two months plus playoffs? 07:07.188 --> 07:13.916 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that many starts, but it could be the most important starts of your life as the Milwaukee Burroughs franchise with no world series. 07:14.677 --> 07:26.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you, Eric Coler, the GM of the Burroughs, you get tempted into doing Henderson in Pania in a school package, or were they right to say, just doesn't move the needles, much as we needed to, we'll roll the dice with our guys. 07:28.257 --> 07:29.718 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to go back for the brewers here. 07:31.338 --> 07:36.400 [SPEAKER_00]: I certainly would be tempted because at the end of the day to reach the risk, the risk goes up two times like up the ward winner. 07:36.720 --> 07:42.062 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you have to mind your team, you have a good chance of winning the World Series, especially when we give them the position the Milwaukee's in right now. 07:42.834 --> 07:49.616 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, I don't like giving up big talent for rentals just because of the shared lack of value that you're gonna get for them. 07:50.116 --> 07:56.978 [SPEAKER_00]: And giving up Logan Henderson and Pania, that's a heavy ask for what you're kind of getting in return with that short window. 07:57.058 --> 07:59.859 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, again, this is also kind of an organization philosophy thing. 08:00.139 --> 08:07.441 [SPEAKER_00]: The birds have never ever been a team that really gives up a lot of big time prospects in trades that haven't been ever. 08:07.862 --> 08:10.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Part of that's just kind of the market that they're in, and again, I've had that show us in the run the team, 08:13.030 --> 08:17.533 [SPEAKER_00]: that they might have me overvaluing team control, like a lot of teams do these days. 08:18.113 --> 08:21.616 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, that said, I'm a little bit lower on pania. 08:21.636 --> 08:22.957 [SPEAKER_00]: He had that issue earlier this year. 08:22.997 --> 08:24.718 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if he's going to have a as much upside. 08:25.038 --> 08:30.421 [SPEAKER_00]: I also think Logan Henderson probably ends up being a 34 or even a five starter as opposed to anything better than that. 08:31.082 --> 08:32.343 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's a lot of team control to give up. 08:32.363 --> 08:33.663 [SPEAKER_00]: So I understand what the growers are coming from. 08:33.724 --> 08:40.108 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, I'd be lying if I said, I wasn't tempted by it because at the end of the day, you're getting arguably the best picture in baseball. 08:41.255 --> 08:45.876 [SPEAKER_00]: coming off Brendan Woodruff's injuries well like they're in a spot where they really need a big time harm. 08:45.896 --> 08:48.317 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to end up being just fine. 08:48.337 --> 08:53.539 [SPEAKER_00]: They've certainly made some moves to kind of short things up, but not nearly as well as we were kind of helping further. 08:53.659 --> 09:01.201 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand what they're doing, but at the end of the day, I just kind of was already wary of giving up what we would take to get school period. 09:02.555 --> 09:06.256 [SPEAKER_01]: hope and river iron are both top to your names. 09:06.656 --> 09:08.797 [SPEAKER_01]: It's objectively tougher to stomach. 09:09.177 --> 09:20.960 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're the the Dodgers in that instance, we're not asked to give up anyone from their current rotation or lineup that was supposed to be a major factor or major part of what they're doing down the stretch. 09:21.100 --> 09:22.340 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a tougher ask 09:22.960 --> 09:43.305 [SPEAKER_01]: to say, take Henderson out, put school in, then it is to the Dodgers say, I mean, no matter how much you value River Ryan, he's not in that Dodgers rotation this year, that rotation includes probably show Hayo Tani, probably Justin Robleski, probably Roki Sasaki, behind the top guys as snail works his way back and, you know, Yamamoto is obviously the ace error parent. 09:45.265 --> 10:04.296 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's just you're looking at that situation as the brewers and the Dodgers are giving away value, but you're being asked to give away someone in your current rotation, like the Yankees, if they're going ahead to head with the Tigers there, the Tigers say give us Cam Schlittler, it's a different situation, but you're going to be like, ah, come on man, don't you want my farm like not my 26 man roster. 10:06.197 --> 10:09.778 [SPEAKER_01]: not my young star, I'm trying to add to that guy, not subtract him. 10:10.078 --> 10:15.339 [SPEAKER_01]: So I understand, and I also do understand pain and not being quite enough in that situation. 10:16.139 --> 10:27.422 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, in terms of massive overpayes, while we're talking about overpaying talent, the Adley Ruchman package that goes to Baltimore for a year and a half, that you and I were both floored by, um, 10:27.822 --> 10:32.524 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a text to show I'm a cat on the Red Sox side to say this is the craziest trade I've seen in my entire life from some executive. 10:32.544 --> 10:33.785 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen an overpay like this. 10:34.305 --> 10:45.250 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree with that with her spoon was a first round or last year who was not matching in the Red Sox pitching program sort of lost in the shuffle this year top 100 guy, but it took a step back. 10:45.790 --> 10:50.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I insane is one of my favorite prospects in baseball, especially on the, on the, on the pitching side of things. 10:51.194 --> 10:55.337 [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, you know, they, they get the rest of the number five ranked prospect to and they're starting catcher from last year. 10:55.738 --> 10:56.418 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a haul. 10:56.638 --> 10:58.540 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm blown away. 10:59.020 --> 11:05.665 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm certainly not in the bucket of the guy who texted Sean McAdam, but it was one prospect heavier than I ever expected it to be. 11:06.086 --> 11:11.870 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so thoughts on the way that feels, the way it felt in the moment and what it feels like as an overpaid two days later. 11:13.100 --> 11:16.543 [SPEAKER_00]: It certainly feels like an overpaid given the weapons from the last couple years. 11:16.603 --> 11:29.655 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, again, this is the era of team control that extra year that Richmond comes with was always going to not be cheap because he's a foreign homer one over all pic and this is a foreign, like again, was the supposed to be the face of the Oreos. 11:30.276 --> 11:32.198 [SPEAKER_00]: Tentual MVP candidate hasn't really worked out. 11:32.218 --> 11:36.121 [SPEAKER_00]: He's had injuries and stuff like that and there's some questions about his back speed and all the other stuff. 11:39.411 --> 12:00.336 [SPEAKER_00]: It strange because I do think it was an overpay because I think the rest of the market would have viewed the Red Sox prospects higher, but I do wonder if the Red Sox and the Orioles had different, like when they got into the details that they were, that the value of those players was a little bit lower than maybe we'd say. 12:09.198 --> 12:10.539 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been, he hasn't been thrown, it's hard. 12:10.559 --> 12:12.201 [SPEAKER_00]: There's been some questions like, okay, maybe he's burned. 12:12.541 --> 12:14.062 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's, you know, he's, he's gas. 12:14.142 --> 12:16.824 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that means he won't be able to do this over the course of a long season. 12:17.205 --> 12:18.486 [SPEAKER_00]: So, does that diminish his value? 12:18.526 --> 12:23.049 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you look at, well, with his spoon, and all the reasons that you suggested that maybe he's kind of taking a little bit of a step back. 12:23.550 --> 12:31.416 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, in my mind, having two guys, two arms that are that talented, getting them for Ruchman is already, you're doing pretty well for yourself. 12:31.897 --> 12:32.677 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you also get 12:34.859 --> 12:49.793 [SPEAKER_00]: You have someone catcher while the silos out and he seems like a very serviceable guy to have kind of an attendom with him down the line and then again another prospect and it's a year and a half of Adley and at the end of day we don't even know if Adley is going to be able to stay on the field for any appreciable long period times. 12:49.814 --> 12:54.078 [SPEAKER_00]: Lost off tissue injuries there and when you have a lot of soft into injury injuries it's a catcher. 12:54.618 --> 12:58.019 [SPEAKER_00]: that implies a certain little flexibility in conditioning issues to be a catcher. 12:58.559 --> 13:03.980 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's maybe not even necessarily his fault, just the fact of the matter is that he's going to have to swap behind the plate, nine innings of night. 13:04.540 --> 13:06.281 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's a lot of strain in your body. 13:06.301 --> 13:13.182 [SPEAKER_00]: If your body can't handle it, if you're not built for it, like a lot of those other guys who are like five foot three, but are built like bowling balls, so they can do it. 13:13.202 --> 13:13.722 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not. 13:13.802 --> 13:14.722 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a big guy. 13:15.243 --> 13:19.143 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're having those kind of issues already, I can understand why the world is going to give up on him. 13:19.183 --> 13:20.164 [SPEAKER_00]: I can understand why it would be 13:21.833 --> 13:32.275 [SPEAKER_00]: But I also know in Austin's mind, like, hey, if we are not super high on these two pitching prospects, but Baltimore really likes them, maybe we go out and get ahead of the Richmond and hopefully can turn them back into the guy that we all thought he's going to be. 13:34.363 --> 13:40.805 [SPEAKER_01]: only like five captures in the game of baseball who do what Adley Ruchman does when Adley Ruchman is peaking. 13:41.225 --> 13:49.388 [SPEAKER_01]: So as physically deteriorated as he's been in recent years and even he hasn't been the guy from his first two and half season to major league baseball on quite a while. 13:49.448 --> 13:55.790 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, even the diminished version of him hard to replicate when he is at his current best level. 13:55.890 --> 14:02.532 [SPEAKER_01]: So I understand it from both sides, but it is not worthy that the chips have been cached in. 14:03.112 --> 14:11.660 [SPEAKER_01]: by Boston, like the, I and soon with her spoon, and, you know, Justin Gonzalez and Arias are the guys that are left at the top end of that farm. 14:12.081 --> 14:15.103 [SPEAKER_01]: And Arias is a guy that you want maybe on the roster in September. 14:15.404 --> 14:16.225 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're not training him. 14:16.385 --> 14:18.106 [SPEAKER_01]: You're certainly going to be starting short some next year. 14:19.227 --> 14:20.909 [SPEAKER_01]: And Gonzalez is, you know, 14:20.989 --> 14:42.033 [SPEAKER_01]: insanely predictable and you probably value him as a member of your outfield surplus more than apparently they were both asked about in auto-lope as trades that were sort of non-starters and I get the feeling that the Red Sox aren't moving those guys so now you have chosen Ruchman over Zack Neto in the offseason over those shorts up upgrades in the offseason. 14:42.213 --> 14:44.314 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's sort of safe to say that. 14:44.775 --> 14:49.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Not saying good or bad, just saying much harder to pull off that move now. 14:49.358 --> 14:53.480 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Arias is just going to be your guy, which, again, that's probably the right call. 14:53.600 --> 14:55.922 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're not making a short stop upgrade this off season. 14:55.942 --> 14:57.683 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll likely hit other than an internal one. 14:58.203 --> 15:01.465 [SPEAKER_01]: And just an example of the trade deadline, hysteria that we all found ourselves in. 15:01.806 --> 15:06.989 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going crazy over whether the Red Sox is going to push this Russian trade across the finish line, the Yankees and the Razer involved. 15:07.229 --> 15:08.270 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's getting Adley Ruchin? 15:08.850 --> 15:14.554 [SPEAKER_01]: They send all these aims to Baltimore for Adley Ruchman trade goes through and as soon as it ends, we go, wait, he's on the I.O. 15:15.074 --> 15:15.895 [SPEAKER_01]: When's he going to be back? 15:16.455 --> 15:16.856 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know. 15:16.876 --> 15:19.297 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's got a wrist issue in the medical. 15:19.337 --> 15:25.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, if he end, uh, yeah, he's, he's a hitting progression, like hitting progressions of not true to the red socks well this year. 15:26.402 --> 15:28.404 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it's just this at all. 15:28.464 --> 15:31.047 [SPEAKER_01]: It's this odd little treated line thing of we all go insane. 15:31.087 --> 15:32.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Or that's the craziest packed I've ever seen. 15:32.889 --> 15:38.294 [SPEAKER_01]: What the face of the world's franchise changing hands within the A-Leason at the end of it all you look up and you go, what is it coming back? 15:38.514 --> 15:39.155 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually don't know. 15:39.535 --> 15:41.077 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe soon. 15:41.097 --> 15:43.339 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so look, I understand it from both sides. 15:43.599 --> 15:43.839 [SPEAKER_01]: I do. 15:44.620 --> 15:45.981 [SPEAKER_01]: Robert loved it on the show yesterday. 15:46.001 --> 15:48.041 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the go for it move for Boston. 15:48.521 --> 15:55.864 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if you have a way to get out of the restaurant in the building, the character that he has, and again, hard to match him as a catcher through it, he's the best cat. 15:56.364 --> 15:58.705 [SPEAKER_01]: He outclasses Carlisar vias, sorry to say. 15:59.105 --> 16:03.307 [SPEAKER_01]: But if no vias replicates last season, this season, they're not looking for out of the restaurant. 16:03.327 --> 16:11.549 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not in the market here, fascinating the ripple effects of having these prospects and giving them up and not the way I would predict Boston ever would have cashed them in. 16:11.649 --> 16:12.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, I understand it. 16:13.610 --> 16:18.313 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I want your thoughts on a couple of smaller trades and halls that I really liked. 16:18.793 --> 16:24.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Ramomark has from the fillings and handler land from the Aggies both going to the Giants and separate deals intrigued me heavily. 16:24.697 --> 16:29.000 [SPEAKER_01]: It has been a long time since the Giants have made me feel like their farms being built up in the right way. 16:29.120 --> 16:30.981 [SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts on what they did at this deadline. 16:31.764 --> 16:41.907 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for a long time, the Giants is felt like they were grabbing as many like at high school prep bats as they could get their hands on and this kind of hoping that one or two of them would work out and be able to hit the out there in San Francisco. 16:42.248 --> 16:43.608 [SPEAKER_00]: And that hasn't really happened. 16:44.448 --> 16:49.290 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they did really well considering, you know, again, a rise was not supposed to be the skid this year. 16:49.350 --> 16:52.091 [SPEAKER_00]: They rebuilt his defensive values and hitting really well. 16:52.431 --> 16:57.993 [SPEAKER_00]: And they went out and got, they got real talent for what they would they ended up giving up at the at the trade deadline. 16:58.333 --> 17:00.074 [SPEAKER_00]: It was what they gave up his rear. 17:00.174 --> 17:05.258 [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, like I feel like the day kind of expanded the scope of what their farm system could be. 17:05.278 --> 17:14.645 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that adding some arms when you lift when you're half your gains are in a pitcher friendly home park, you probably should get some good pitchers to go along with Logan Webb because right now he's looking pretty lonely over there. 17:16.202 --> 17:18.344 [SPEAKER_00]: I like Elaine a lot, we've talked about him on the show. 17:18.384 --> 17:23.307 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that you like him a lot and for a while there, he was one of the most electric motors in baseball. 17:23.327 --> 17:24.308 [SPEAKER_00]: He's sound down a little bit. 17:24.328 --> 17:25.149 [SPEAKER_00]: He's still pitching fine. 17:25.189 --> 17:26.109 [SPEAKER_00]: He missed that one star. 17:26.510 --> 17:28.171 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's still doing fine. 17:28.211 --> 17:33.175 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we have, we have the six seven remote mark as who, 17:34.303 --> 17:48.433 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, being guys that big who have that kind of arsenal and that kind of change up and all the things that go on with them, like if you have a chance to get that guy, I mean, if you're given up who the Ramos or whoever really if you're, if those are kind of travel assets that you're getting rid of them, you're giving, and you're getting that guy back. 17:48.914 --> 17:50.995 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something that someone that you can really project on. 17:51.155 --> 17:53.036 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right, I think San Francisco did a good job 17:54.008 --> 18:01.999 [SPEAKER_00]: realizing where their deficiencies were and instead of just kind of doubling down what they have been doing, they're like, okay, we're gonna have to eat some pitching hop in here. 18:02.299 --> 18:11.491 [SPEAKER_00]: Both of these guys are not close, they're both on hi-A, so I don't think that this is something that's gonna bear fruit overly quickly, but I also think that especially in the case of Marquez, I just don't think he would have been 18:12.192 --> 18:12.793 [SPEAKER_00]: on the market. 18:13.253 --> 18:19.581 [SPEAKER_00]: If you give him another year in my release, I just don't think he's, just kind of the way he's out projectible he is with that frame and the kind of stuff he has. 18:19.621 --> 18:28.492 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that we're going to find him being a top 100 guy and one that probably is not going to be going anywhere unless in this particular type of trade where someone's willing to pick, a guy who's a little bit further away. 18:29.197 --> 18:33.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll shout out Kaden Kent going home to his dad's former team, the Giants as well. 18:33.558 --> 18:37.399 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, oh, okay, even the throw-ins are fun little wrinkles. 18:38.279 --> 18:40.640 [SPEAKER_01]: Moises by a stereos for Ryan's efferjan. 18:40.660 --> 18:47.762 [SPEAKER_01]: This is one that gives you sticker shock and makes you want to say overpay, especially given what chase seal Seth. 18:48.222 --> 19:04.834 [SPEAKER_01]: goes for if we're talking about controllable angels relievers who are performing pretty well this year Zephyr John is a higher peak and better swing and miss, but you know I'm again I'm looking at one and it's the dude who John Mosaic insists would be in the top 10 and evaluators are like not actually not top 30 and Zephyr John goes for biased arrows. 19:05.134 --> 19:09.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Now the power has quite been there do you think his stock has fallen to that extent? 19:09.678 --> 19:16.022 [SPEAKER_01]: This year is this an overpay or is this stock still high and that's just sort of an appropriate deal for what a controllable arm is like Zephyr 19:18.418 --> 19:26.100 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a bit of both and this is a kind of a rare case where I kind of what we've talked about a couple other deals, this dreaded time is I think the deal is right for both sides. 19:27.441 --> 19:31.682 [SPEAKER_00]: The angels don't need a reliever even if you think he's in turn to a high leverage guy right now. 19:31.722 --> 19:33.343 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be rebuilding for the next two years. 19:33.583 --> 19:33.983 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that 19:35.040 --> 19:38.101 [SPEAKER_00]: They won't call it a rebuild, but they would throw fire south of you. 19:38.261 --> 19:38.801 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what they did. 19:39.201 --> 19:42.121 [SPEAKER_00]: And they had a lot of a couple of guys in my cave, keep things relatively interesting. 19:42.501 --> 19:48.342 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it allows them to rebuild relatively quickly, but they don't need Zeffer John and he has multiple years of team control. 19:48.742 --> 19:58.764 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just true that hit over power guys who don't have a position are not value highly period, not in the draft, not in the trade market and not in free agency. 19:59.144 --> 20:02.605 [SPEAKER_00]: Unless you are literally tile shorebirt in which case your power over hit, 20:03.245 --> 20:10.453 [SPEAKER_00]: and that power is so crazy that you're just putting up 40-50-hole runs a year, those are the kinds of guys who's living around the market. 20:10.473 --> 20:12.515 [SPEAKER_00]: They're wondering why they're not making $20 million a year. 20:12.555 --> 20:17.561 [SPEAKER_00]: You know those are guys who complain openly like I can't believe market doesn't value you like well you kind of only do one thing. 20:18.121 --> 20:18.882 [SPEAKER_00]: That's all you do. 20:19.162 --> 20:20.463 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that one thing. 20:20.984 --> 20:30.773 [SPEAKER_00]: But by a status case, when he's going to the Angel, so he's going to get the proof that he can catch, he's going to get as much as he wants, because there's no one blocking anyone over there, other than a couple positions, maybe. 20:31.253 --> 20:39.661 [SPEAKER_00]: Given some chances, a bunch of different positions can see if it works, because the hit tool is good enough, I think, that he could be a major leader. 20:39.721 --> 20:41.302 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, didn't look particularly great going 20:44.413 --> 21:02.502 [SPEAKER_00]: There's some skepticism and maybe hedging a little bit there, but it's kind of a deal where I just kind of like Jefferson John wasn't really needed for the angels and hanging on to a reliever and hoping they stay good as a recipe for disaster and the cubs, you know, the cubs didn't, they had a reliever, they're trying to go on to a playoff run and they didn't need by a Sarah's because they just didn't know where I'm going to play on. 21:02.562 --> 21:05.144 [SPEAKER_00]: So I understand the deal for both sides, I think they built it well. 21:07.144 --> 21:09.485 [SPEAKER_01]: And it comes to men in themselves as a team that I look at. 21:09.725 --> 21:15.088 [SPEAKER_01]: And I am sort of, I don't know if I'm the only one going on record, but I'm going record every podcast we have until the playoffs. 21:15.128 --> 21:19.250 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Dodgers are far less of a lock than they were last year to get out of the NL. 21:19.710 --> 21:26.314 [SPEAKER_01]: And Dodgers were a Miguel Rojas home run in the ninth inning of game seven from losing the world series last year. 21:26.674 --> 21:27.875 [SPEAKER_01]: And you take it back and inning. 21:27.935 --> 21:31.697 [SPEAKER_01]: It was triusavage against Max Munsey with a four toglied in the eighth. 21:32.557 --> 21:41.404 [SPEAKER_01]: the number of things that were cascading and had to happen for the Dodgers to win the world series last year were unfathomable, but they all happened and they all resulted in a repeat. 21:41.825 --> 21:46.929 [SPEAKER_01]: This year's scene, I think, is even even when Tarys Kouble is less likely to get out of the NL than last year's. 21:47.069 --> 21:48.830 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see, I'll die on that hill. 21:48.870 --> 21:50.432 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Cubs have looked like a team that has 21:50.892 --> 22:00.015 [SPEAKER_01]: with the likely MVP and P4 Armstrong looks like a team that could make actual noise because of what they did, I like Clay Holmes, I like Kevin Gosman, I like his playoff tested arms. 22:01.016 --> 22:07.858 [SPEAKER_01]: Prospect you are most surprised was traded out of all of these names, you know, in any deal who are you most surprised moved at the end of the day. 22:09.023 --> 22:18.571 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, to have some names, we've already talked about a little bit surprised that Boston gave up on ions and then wither's been so soon, but it also kind of vindicates some of the kind of whispers, I guess, the best way to come. 22:18.591 --> 22:19.371 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't call them reports. 22:19.671 --> 22:21.012 [SPEAKER_00]: This kind of, yeah, he hasn't looked so great. 22:21.032 --> 22:22.954 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they kind of vindicates what that is. 22:23.514 --> 22:25.016 [SPEAKER_00]: And Ragsdale is the one where I'm just liking. 22:25.976 --> 22:26.857 [SPEAKER_00]: How did that happen? 22:26.977 --> 22:46.208 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't understand it now in terms of guys who I thought were going to be traded Again, I'm gonna shout out my my braves here that they didn't trade from the basically the top half of their form system at all When they desperately needed at least one quality starter probably to and they'll get when they went and got was Tyler Molly pretty strange behavior Not really sure why they did that it made me sad 22:46.968 --> 22:54.813 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, given the names, the Yankees were connected to, don't know how Elmer Rodriguez is still in your farm system, buddy, because he, he's the guy that would've gotten gone. 22:55.193 --> 22:58.435 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they would've run, run, run, run game, you're kind of like selling low on because he's injured. 22:58.795 --> 23:03.178 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that for some of the names there, I can make you connect to Joe's little surprise that he, he hung around. 23:03.958 --> 23:08.061 [SPEAKER_00]: And the Mariners are a weird team, man, because I, they, 23:09.396 --> 23:18.179 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that they talk so much about trading from their big league rotation, but I also felt like if they wanted a bat, they could just include Ryan Sloan, and then just go get one. 23:18.639 --> 23:19.519 [SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't do that. 23:19.719 --> 23:24.421 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't really know what to make of that, and there was just no chance they were going to trade Kate Anderson. 23:24.441 --> 23:26.041 [SPEAKER_00]: They'd be literally crazy to do that. 23:26.161 --> 23:37.465 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just think that if you're calling up Kate Anderson, and you think that you might have already too much starting between depth and the big leagues, then maybe you just trade lines Ryan Sloan to a team that might have us a place for them quicker than they 23:38.570 --> 23:58.871 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Elmeradria doesn't get discussed in the aches of a bullpen problem, and it's not that the bullpen stinks, which is the first thing that fans are liable to yell and I understand, because when you watch the bullpen blow game, it's like that I hate it that the bullpen, David Benar has been incredible, Brent Hendrix been incredible, but the amount of sense Brent Hendrix has been used in comprehensible. 23:59.371 --> 24:01.553 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Fernando Cruz is showing signs of wear and tear. 24:01.593 --> 24:02.194 [SPEAKER_01]: He's slowing down. 24:02.214 --> 24:06.718 [SPEAKER_01]: He has not had a clean outing outside of coming in with a six-front deficit the other day in a couple of weeks. 24:07.278 --> 24:12.843 [SPEAKER_01]: Paul Blackburns been great, but let's say Paul Blackburns on the mound and the eighth inning of a one-one playoff game. 24:12.883 --> 24:13.964 [SPEAKER_01]: How great do you feel? 24:13.984 --> 24:14.345 [SPEAKER_01]: You feel? 24:15.205 --> 24:30.423 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you've had the experience all year, if you're a Yankee fan, you know what Paul Blackburn's done, but if you're an objective observer watching that you can't believe Paul Blackburn is in that situation, which is a credit to Paul Blackburn, and also to say that hey, the regression is probably coming there at least a little bit, hopefully, you know. 24:30.843 --> 24:41.232 [SPEAKER_01]: for the players on the field it doesn't, but you need an arm or two to ensure that you can keep those guys healthy and short against their, you know, backslide and brink hasn't just didn't get anybody. 24:41.512 --> 24:51.500 [SPEAKER_01]: He intends to move Clark Schmidt back there and then whoever gets if everyone stays healthy, whoever falls out of the rotation between Warren and Ryan Weathers, but that's not a plan. 24:51.560 --> 24:53.862 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Weathers is one of the most valuable starters right now. 24:54.182 --> 25:00.027 [SPEAKER_01]: Will Warren has thrown one relief inning this year and he couldn't finish the game was trying to get a save up against the pirates. 25:00.427 --> 25:04.991 [SPEAKER_01]: Clark Smith came down with forearm soreness cramps yesterday. 25:05.291 --> 25:09.535 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, between his second and third up down and a rehab start coming off his second Tommy John. 25:09.835 --> 25:10.716 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a plan. 25:10.976 --> 25:16.540 [SPEAKER_01]: So on the one hand rage, but on the second Elmerudrius somehow survived the trade deadline. 25:17.241 --> 25:18.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Lagron, hey, won't be your savior. 25:19.282 --> 25:23.845 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Elmerudria's will, or at least he'd be your fourth or fifth to best to reliever. 25:24.185 --> 25:31.550 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a name that they should try that they have not tried yet, who's fastball has been playing up with a little more zip as the season has come close to you. 25:31.590 --> 25:32.130 [SPEAKER_01]: It's conclusion. 25:32.150 --> 25:34.272 [SPEAKER_01]: If you watch highlights of him down in the minors right now, 25:34.912 --> 25:36.013 [SPEAKER_01]: It does look a little easier. 25:36.053 --> 25:40.455 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see also George Lombard Jr. Homer in his first major league game yesterday. 25:40.555 --> 25:45.038 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the real story that the Yankees should want to distract you with while they figure out the bullpen thing. 25:45.058 --> 25:46.179 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm maybe figuring it out for you. 25:46.239 --> 25:47.419 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Rodriguez is the move. 25:47.900 --> 25:49.881 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Adam Winner for Eric Cole. 25:50.221 --> 25:53.723 [SPEAKER_01]: We will catch you on the prospect show later down the line. 25:53.743 --> 25:55.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for sticking with us for the trade deadline. 25:55.844 --> 25:56.685 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for watching. 25:56.765 --> 25:57.545 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening. 25:57.585 --> 25:58.886 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining us in the discord. 25:58.946 --> 26:02.048 [SPEAKER_01]: Until next time, we'll see you right here on the baseball insiders.