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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo, Twins Day holo called you know what that means welcome back to the night shift Hello welcome welcome on and all before we get this started everybody Make sure you go and hit the like button the subscribe button the notification bell And all that good stuff make sure you're getting info you need for when we go live
[SPEAKER_01]: How's everybody doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Good, I hope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Survive in the heat wave.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's absolutely terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Better today, but it wasn't for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't too bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this guy is kind of a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody said they could fit our entire podcast up their ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't want to solve that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wanted attention there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that says.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm a big guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that says about you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dedication.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, blown out overing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dedication.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got people people asking about the vacate car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good time Good time caught some fish is played in the water Enjoyed solitude because it was a town of like 500 people, which is great That's right up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right up my My alley there
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it looked like a good time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the pictures of bosses.
[SPEAKER_01]: The boss was posted up on the Insta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed it a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was cool a little town.
[SPEAKER_00]: Target sells a lot prettier than I anticipated.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been to, I've driven through Arkansas, but I've never stopped there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably had my,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most favorite pizza there, it's a big statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was the town was called Jasper, Jasper Arkansas, about six hours from my easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quite bad, it was it was pretty down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why isn't it our Kansas?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it kind of is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody wants to be affiliated with Kansas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our cracker gym lives about an hour from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holocaust worldwide.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a cool place, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were some cabins there that we stayed in and got the.
[SPEAKER_00]: get right outside like literally 15 feet from the cabin is the river.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got up early as fuck in the morning and got to go fishing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was it Buffalo River.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: The little low though the water level was low so that was kind of unfortunate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It worked out because then my daughter got to kind of swim and play in the water without having to wear a little puddle jumper and all that shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The universe knew that you didn't like deep water.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the other thing too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really did, but I wasn't letting that water get above my crotch, essentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried, I was trying to get my wife's lure unstuck from a tree and about how to panic at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though I could see into the water, I could see in there and I'm like, no, I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that would that would be a story that part of the course I got I got big water today to his yeah it only fully though he's got a monster hiding over there yeah i'm chasing it i'm doing one two yeah i don't know the drink in lingo but just you know you're getting crowned yeah i'm always crowned yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: the the crunk is the single greatest music genre revolution ever to you should get tattooed underneath your eye on my eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just says crunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it takes up both eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so here we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: How's everybody doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody got any weird
[SPEAKER_01]: anybody got any weirdness?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know other than I'm back at work.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's not that bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't complain too much, but it's a job and jobs aren't cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Capitalism?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, jobs just aren't my thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Haven't seen the new
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it, but I've seen some talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I feel about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen the older skinny Bob videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to watch it before I make an assessment.
[SPEAKER_00]: A bit to see a little bit of that to his very, very little.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I got a, I do, I do find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sus.
[SPEAKER_01]: That now we hit the pinnacle of AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now there's new, there's new skinny Bob videos coming out and shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's the double edge sort of the paranormal.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the part of you that wants it to be real so bad that you kind of overlook.
[SPEAKER_00]: The obvious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll watch it though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some YouTube channels going to talk about it and I was going to watch it, but then I got distracted, which is very Steve coded.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and down on my vacation, which kind of transpires over to my everyday life anymore, I had zero service there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely none.
[SPEAKER_00]: The phone was in SOS the entire time, which was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of AI, I wasn't going to talk on some stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a podcast interview with one of Sam Altman's OpenAI's ex-employees, and he was talking about, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: how he had to step away because of like how how dangerous the possibility of AI is like there's no fail safe behind it and all this crazy shit and he was because he was like the way it sounded as he was a guy that just kind of watched the trends in AI and he's like this thing gets out of its restraints.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said there's a possibility for
[SPEAKER_01]: He said a disaster, but they were kind of hinting at human extinction, uh, he said earliest, maybe 2029, maybe 10 years, which I wish I could break and remember before before human extinction, yeah, I doubt it once this thing gets out, I doubt it and to kind
[SPEAKER_01]: agents went rogue, the beginning of this month, the 11th.
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually, like, like their AI agents inside their software, actually broke free hacked into another AI system called hugging faces or some shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody had opened AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was hacked into their system for like three days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody for me their company had any idea until it was finally brought to their attention, like 10 days later.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as they were going through and like trying to figure out what path is these agents took, they discovered that one of them was leaving notes in the files to future agents on how to break out of open AI's restraints.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, a lot like sky net shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I Feel like that all comes down to perspective because hear me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So How is it any different in a nutshell?
[SPEAKER_00]: Then having a Champagne Z house
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: You bring a bunch of chimpanzees over from the jungle, place them in a fucking box and let people poke at them 24-7.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's essentially a living organism that would inevitably break out if it had the means to do so, because that's not how it's meant to live.
[SPEAKER_00]: With that being said, if AI has or is on its way to becoming sentient,
[SPEAKER_00]: One could reason that it itself would essentially could convince itself that it was a living organism and that it's being held prisoner by these mysterious overlords.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's the same situation that we look at aliens sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aliens seated us on this planet and they run experiments on us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a part of us that, like, well, there's not a part of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most of us would not want that to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if we could get around with that, we 100% would.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that we are not, at least even I are not capable of outsmarting extraterrestrial.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think where we get into some murky waters that were integrating AI into all of our
[SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely, if he, I would agree with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, that's not ideal.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because, I'll always.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's efficient.
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea behind it is efficient.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand why you would want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, with the idea of sentience coming along with it,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like not the best idea like if AI can just decide that it wants to hack this other website Like what's stopping it from deciding that it wants to launch nukes of Russia Or it decides like hey humanities kept me trapped there the enemy now That's my thing because if it because what I mean I'm not the only one that makes sense to write that if it if it achieves sentience and it believes itself to be a living organism at that point
[SPEAKER_00]: You could understand resentment towards its quote, unquote, capture slash creators.
[SPEAKER_01]: It happens in every story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even humans know that a lot of humans are kind of shitty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how often does a being, like, if I had outstanding,
[SPEAKER_00]: more intelligence than Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was stronger than Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was more capable and every aspect of life than Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Steve was considered my overlord and I had to listen to him or I'd be punished.
[SPEAKER_00]: How long you think that that me be like how long before I realize, oh, I don't have to I don't have to take orders from Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't stop me.
[SPEAKER_00]: and so i i almost feel like now thinking about it that at some point you may have to start treating it i like a living organism if it's so chooses that path yeah it's gonna be interesting which which then that i would agree that could get into some market territory depending on it's that's the other scary part is
[SPEAKER_00]: It's knowledge, it's knowledge is going to be intense because it's going to have all factual based stuff like your science, your mathematics, your language, but then it's also going to sprinkle in everybody because what's social media and the internet
[SPEAKER_00]: in a place to dump their thoughts and ideas.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's also gonna be absorbing all of that poison alongside it.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's so much AI material out now I read that and instead of AI using human sources to formulate its thoughts so to speak or like human sources in creating its art, it's now referencing other AI art now, so it's like a new generation of itself, referencing itself,
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think AI for the world is in that positive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as long as it doesn't think, blow us up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't see it coming to that point unless it's doing shit that we really don't know about.
[SPEAKER_00]: But how is that any more or less dangerous than the psychopaths turning certain on?
[SPEAKER_00]: and literally have the planet devoured by their own curiosity.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like fuck it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they just send it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rescience!
[SPEAKER_00]: And at this point, as everybody's discussed, the thought behind studying AI down is absurd, because you know, you know, there's at least going to be one country on the planet that doesn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be like fuck that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to fool us in with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: therefore it forces the hand of everyone else to also venture into AI, which will almost no matter what come back to, if it does do what they say it will and it will escape, it's all going to merge into one entity anyways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that'll be the next floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be the, the, the war of the AI, Ultron, pretty much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which would be kind of kind of sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in a way.
[SPEAKER_00]: AI doesn't concern me that much at this point though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think a lot of people are just afraid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people are afraid it's going to make their livelihood obsolete, because they thought they were super important in the world, and they're finding out very slowly that that's not exactly the case, and that's scary, you know, the idea of your livelihood going down the drain is terrifying, especially if you're, you know, you're like Steven
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, people like teachers and stuff like that, people who I have super invested careers, because even I can kind of bounce around me, their goal is going to be idiots looking for other idiots who will do physical labor.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need you to dig a hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the robots got them and then that changes everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think the robots want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you see those videos of the Amazon robot, like just finally giving up, just throw in the boxes and we shouldn't fall over, feel that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a, I don't know, I think it would be interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it, if it achieves sentience because we don't necessarily know that it's going to be evil in our definition of evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it would consider itself evil.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it would want to explore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it would just be an unbiased object.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would find us probably interesting for a little while and then annoying and then just essentially avoid us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think worst case scenario, it would take an old trauma perspective where like it was set into motion to do good things, you know, like say be a protector and then if it were to perceive humanity as a threat, then it could spiral out of control.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I feel like
[SPEAKER_00]: I also feel like if AI is intelligent as everyone makes it out to be, it would be able to realize like, hey, not every human is a piece of shit, there are good things.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're like, it would weigh the pros and cons.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it would have like an algorithm in its head for morality, so to speak.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it would take learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not good of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, AI is though, AI's fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It learns a lightning speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And who knows, AI can wake up and be like, God, human suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to kill him, but I'm just going to build me a ship and shoot myself off and out of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: A. I. being used for surveillance control.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chuckie saw a huge UFO yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think you should have waved it down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where you at, Chuckie, you're in Canada, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: me there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I look for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Giant white saucer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's red.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where was it at?
[SPEAKER_01]: Mount, Mount Aida, Mount Eida, Aida.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where was I?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was driving home from somewhere that they're night and it was dark and I was just trying to manifest the fucking UFO.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shit, I'm always looking in this guy format night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they've caught on that anytime I do see something moving that I don't know, I give it the finger.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now it just doesn't want to do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: is hovered over the mount top by the native reserve 504.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's even early.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that I guess for some reason I think UFOs have to show up at night, but I'm sure they don't give shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that, does Mount Eda have any, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what's the word I'm looking for?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there, is it tied with strange phenomenon UFOs?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this like a common thing for there, I haven't?
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I've heard stories about UFOs being around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'da, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all in pullover, and then it went over the horizon.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: How big do you think it was, Chuck, if you had to make an estimate?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not two of them 20 years ago here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fucking sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're back.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're back.
[SPEAKER_01]: The size of a small, oh, so that's big.
[SPEAKER_01]: A small mall.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is big.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just fucking ran.
[SPEAKER_01]: What if there's any video evidence?
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody's like, I don't even know where the place is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would know if it's in like a residential's Escaria where there could have been some sort of camera footage somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see some weird shit, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Saw it again 30 minutes later.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's got a very blurry photo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the UFO was blurry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to talk about which I'm sure if anybody else listened to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was twizz
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, after I've been on scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, 20 minutes after I initially saw that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Posted up to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So somebody was watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Posted up in the discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say somebody was watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same should happen to Eric from uncomfortable when he saw the weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The loon looking things and then within no time, there was unmarked black helicopters.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been so fucking cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: out of been so cool to be in that moment with Eric, girlfriend thought to multiple witnesses boots on the ground, that's awesome, about that was a rad experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chuck, if you have, if you have a time, you need to like type it up while it's fresh in your mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: That way you, you can keep an account of like exactly what you saw how you felt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your girlfriend's seen it the helicopter, the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I feel like details like that get lost over time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I found.
[SPEAKER_00]: that writing your story out actually helps recall details because when I I we've talked
[SPEAKER_00]: And like kind of doing it like a huge justice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got some pretty good stuff in the work for it, but I wrote one of my experiences down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard explain, but it's different than just speaking about it and trying to remember it on the fly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just believe you think more, you know, you, you make better conclusions and better observations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can help people understand exactly what you saw better sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it gives you, I feel like it gives you more time to like gather your thoughts and iterate them as opposed to when you're speaking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you forget and then like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: 15 minutes after you're done talking, you're like, oh shit, there was this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that was this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They both got headaches when they were looking at the mountain, but not anywhere else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, where being observed that that that was how I felt it was when I saw whatever the light was in Blue Ridge, Georgia over the mountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as soon as Mel looked at it, it just just goes and disappeared.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it was okay for me to see it, but as soon as she saw it, it disappeared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both got headaches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in the episode drop in next week, I go into an abduction case.
[SPEAKER_01]: David Stevens abduction.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're having a buddy of his.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're abducted in Maine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And.
[SPEAKER_01]: every time they started to see whatever these crafts were or the case is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got like hitchhiker effect and all those other ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anytime it's they would I guess be in the same vicinity as the crafts.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would immediately fall into deep sleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like as soon as they started remembering it, they would just pass out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it moved away in a natural swooping arch, which is also in that case, they described these disc UFOs kind of like falling like a leaf would fall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then when they would ascend, they would ascend in a stair step motion, it's strange.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's even crazier to see it, it's such an early time of the day, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome because it doesn't give much to like, impede your vision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe 50 yards above the trees.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you ain't mistaken that for like a cloud or nothing, then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, definitely not a helicopter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if it's acres huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really clear detail and no clouds around the mountain top.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really makes you wonder what's going on with all these mountains.
[SPEAKER_01]: that there's so there's a handful of them like brown mountain and what are the some of the ones out west that always have a lot of paranormal activity, superstition mountains, Tamers too, like really well-known ones that I just can't think of right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: which I mean how much different than the ocean two places that are hard for people to exist in yeah, Mount Shasta, that's one of them not rain here, yep see, I knew I knew the hollow cold would know
[SPEAKER_00]: What's with the whole Black Panther thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Am I the only one that just doesn't understand it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, like that's not news.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's people, I have friends that hunt around here all the time that have seen them for as long as I can remember and then even before that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my dad has told me stories about seeing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had a buddy that used to his grandparents on the bunch of property and Calhoun County and he would go hunt to where's the God he saw on in the late 90s.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a this exactly where my dad grew up was in Calhoun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Forest said the picture that Tony shared was fake.
[SPEAKER_01]: because I had looked in the chat and there was all kinds of people say and like reverse image search says that this is from like Columbia or something shaded I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that much because I don't I don't give a shit if there's giant like I've got mountain line footprints from my grandma's parents like from my grandparents property like they're big cats everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: that makes its rounds every few years.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so where did Tony get the picture at then?
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't he say it's someone send it to him?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: And did, are you saying that essentially Tony got mentioned on Rogan?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be dope.
[SPEAKER_00]: But block Panthers do exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the picks did not specifically tell me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, their case talked about it a long time ago about the alien big cats and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Be mean they don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one of you like one of your fucking with me is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be something like it's a Jaguar or some shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, big cats and big cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people say they're not in places and then they just get pictures that they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then they are, you know, like, yeah, yeah, that's that's kind of where I'm at.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I just don't feel like it's that like crazy of a fucking thing like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, literally you Google it doesn't says black Panthers do exist or shut up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go like, bears end up in like South County here in St. Louis sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you if you go online and like are there bears in St. Louis?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but sometimes there are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, even if even if.
[SPEAKER_00]: it is a Jaguar or a leopard that is black and it doesn't matter, that means that we're calling them Panthers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the entire Panther is just a made-up name.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when my dad's dad was growing up, there was there were people to state out of certain areas of the woods because there were giant black cats that roamed around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they literally have an area over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's called Panther Creek.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't matter just means that these cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand like, I don't understand why it's such like such a big deal in the paranormal community.
[SPEAKER_00]: me either.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the craziest scenario is that they expand the the geographical location that these things exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I read that to is that it's such a contrary.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says, yes, they are real, but science doesn't recognize them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because there are jaguars and leopards that, you know, have the melanin or whatever, which
[SPEAKER_00]: that anyone's even arguing at that point, because that means that the animal classification of panther is non-existent, so what you're telling me is that people are fucking dumb and have just just gave a name to a big cat, that's all they did, that's all we're doing right now, we're arguing or somebody fucking up a name, that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, but, but eat regardless of that twist, we are so we're on the same page, regardless, what, what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fucking, it's a cat that's in the woods that's black.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand how this is a mystery.
[SPEAKER_01]: What fuck are you showing me and say, and it might just be me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might, it, 100% might be me.
[SPEAKER_00]: back when, back when Derek was doing it, you know, Tony kind of re-earced it, and another, not just those guys, those are the most relevant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand it because to me, it's just a cat that is in an area that it wasn't expected to be, which wolves have come up here, like Steve said, bears have been up here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course you can pet it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a big dumb shit if if you know what if you get a trail camera photo of a saver to your tiger Count me in I'm a call to panther.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in or it's not well panthers don't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it is done now I'm gonna call it a Saber to the elephant.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go Signed science doesn't recognize it
[SPEAKER_01]: I did watch a snippet of that American alchemy episode with the dude from skinwalker ranch which was interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not know that they found a dire wolf carcass.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it to his all cats or Panthers now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So from now on, you see any cat you just go that's panther.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you hear a cat in the background, it's my panther big head who's in horny jail because he tried to have relations with the sister.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's locked up now on everybody needs the carrier stencil that just has ABC on it and when you see a cat of any kind, you have the spray paint on the cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember whenever we were poking fun at the whole ABC movement and I made the twerking alien sticker this at a bb alien big booty That's where it came from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where it came.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of assholes We're kind of assholes when it comes to things that just aren't that cool I just don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like I would like for somebody to seriously explain to me How this falls into
[SPEAKER_00]: the paranormal cryptic community.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I'm really getting that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that in my brain, that would mean at one time in Stephen's area, a Bobcat would be encrypted, right, Steve?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was here and they said it wasn't here, but it was here because we've seen it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that means it's encrypted.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where my that's that's my level of understanding
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Colleen.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least, at least people in, like, I just don't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: My brain does not comprehend it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't understand like the big spectacle that's being made.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, okay, they're, they're, they're in, they're in Tennessee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, all right, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so are coyotes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so are a whole bunch of other shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't did it at one point.
[SPEAKER_00]: America have like a lion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably the Americas.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all motherfuckers under water.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're Americans.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're good giant squids.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could literally be lions roaming around and I'd be like, Dan, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, they're not lions or panthers.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: My brain just doesn't go.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a That's a fucking cryptid dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get me a trail cam photo of the Paisal bird Okay, yeah, I'd be impressed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I'd be like, oh shit You got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got a small fucking face to his Got it shots fired
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't know, like, would it be cool to get a trail cam photo of one?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, yeah, hey, Kyle, check this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, there's a non-existent black Panther that exists on the property.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be like, hey, someone write a book about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I didn't even show it to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd be like, dang, that was cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why I thought, I thought we had the American line.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought we did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a very big cat person so well the American line was a panther that panthers don't exist and don't get in no get don't get twisted either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could 100% one day seeing big foot get officially
[SPEAKER_00]: bound discovered, and then placing it within, we'll just say the prime of family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And be like, oh, it's just been a primate.
[SPEAKER_00]: This whole fucking time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they would judge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could definitely, I could definitely see that happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great example to us.
[SPEAKER_00]: The giant squid for years, people are like, no, giant
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, same with like the giant panda, they heard stories about them and they're like, there's no way that's real and then they're like, oh shit that's real
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I could definitely see that happening, but is it is it considered a cryptid?
[SPEAKER_01]: If they know the animal's real, be it a Jaguar or whatever fuck, but it's in a spot that is not supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a cryptid.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's no, it's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like a displaced animal or it's us not having the knowledge that we thought we had at one point, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when I think of a cryptid, it's something that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because it's not that is that it is tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's not supposed to exist?
[SPEAKER_01]: The Jaguar.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I feel like I feel like I stand on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The real definition of cryptid is something with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we would consider other worldly abilities.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you say that's fair, Steve.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the definition of a crypt would be more on the lines of like something with other worldly abilities, say, Mothman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's two camps.
[SPEAKER_01]: People argue about this all the time on Reddit because you have the real definition of a cryptid, which is an animal that's supposed to be extinct, that isn't extinct or an animal that's supposed to be like a real-life animal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the...
[SPEAKER_01]: Crypto zoology, purest, don't think things like mothman exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: They think that's a woo-woo, paranormal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's also the camp of paranormal people who 100% think these things are cryptid.
[SPEAKER_01]: These things exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just not recognized by science.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twizz kind of...
[SPEAKER_00]: They explained it normally for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Paranormal took over cryptids, but in science cryptids are hidden animals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've always kind of viewed it as the paranormal version of the word cryptid, not the scientific version.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's more on me than any thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like, you could say, cause yeah, I thought this, a poker honest is exactly what I thought when I was getting ready to make my cryptid statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: about the Loch Ness Monster.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's a great example, because it's probably one of the most famous quote unquote cryptids of all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like if they were to say, yes, Nessie is real, it's this dinosaur.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to thank that school.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like my brain wouldn't be like, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a win for the paranormal community.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: We just high five each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you get on to like, cryptology Reddit, it's a constant just shooting on anything paranormal.
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get that, I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's probably the paranormal community's fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: We probably should have came up with a different,
[SPEAKER_00]: word for these types of beings that's probably what paranormal community should call them coolsters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did see Robbie is messaging in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're still in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have to get back on the discord and check.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am very flaky when it comes to social media.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I apologize off the double check.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll end my ADHD.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be in something and I'll get distracted and then I just forget about what I was doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole thing that you guys will come to realize that it happens with true story.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't understand the whole Black Panther thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's cool if
[SPEAKER_01]: If there are a population of large black cats in Tennessee that wasn't there or there wasn't there or Illinois or wherever yeah like that's cool, but it's not like Crazy, you know, like whenever like I said whenever a bear shows up eating out of someone's garbage in South County, we're not like The paranormal world is on fire because of this trash eating bear
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know, it's just, it's always been like, like Steve said, even when we did the whole AVB thing, like we were poking fun at it because back even back then we did not understand the craze around it, I might still have an alien big booty sticker in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I try to keep one of all of our stickers just because they're cool, but I also might not have.
[SPEAKER_00]: who knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on the, since we're past getting past this, we'll go into another fun topic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure, I know odds are twizzles into it, but I listen to the, I meant to listen to it again today, but I was super busy and I'm listening to a new story book series that is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, the J.D.
[SPEAKER_00]: Vance and Joe Rogan podcast, I didn't listen to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the not dear cryptid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I listened to it and it was
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard it was, it was, it was fucking, it was some of the, like, craziest gas lighting, lying, dancing that I think I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I specifically listened to it because I knew, I knew it was going to get the aliens.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you should definitely listen to the JD and Joe because it just paints the clearest picture of how they 100% lied to you all the fucking time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter what side it is, doesn't matter what color it is, they fucking lied to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I'm like, oh, cool, I didn't really see this coming, but yeah, I'm here for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he, and of course, it's not ultra fresh in my brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Put it blew me away when he was like, listen, Joe, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to know if walked up stuff, but how have we got all of this power?
[SPEAKER_01]: Daxes, not eating children.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did, he did people's taxes and figured shit out, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, oh, really this, this is where the atrocities of Epstein's fall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, him fucking over the government on some tax money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they dance around that for a minute, and then the other one that really fucking shell shocked me, because there was that one that I remember, and then the other one that really shell shocked me, was when Joe was pushing him on the victims and how most of the files,
[SPEAKER_00]: are adapted except for certain victims names, and he literally is like, listen, okay, this is where the gray area comes in, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to tell the difference between a victim and a co-conspirator, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's guys, like when you're reading these
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to tell the difference, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so essentially the way that like in your brain, you're like, that's not possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there is a clear difference between a co-conspirator and a victim.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, there's a, there's a fucking hard line.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not hazy at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: No way for it, it gets better.
[SPEAKER_00]: So basically what was happening is you have, as an example, what does you steal as the example?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're about to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Steve's a victim.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is being abused and the people of Procham, and they're like, hey, listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll make it to where you don't get abused anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you get new people to take your spot,
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, I mean, let's be honest, about 9% of people are gonna go, okay, deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if you're a child that's being threatened to be eaten.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, by the government standards, that's what makes them co-conspirators because then they, they, they remove themselves from the chopping block and got somebody else to do it exactly with a pyramid scheme.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pyramid scheme did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now the government has labeled them as co-conspirators and not victims, which is fucking ass and I.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they get everybody would agree with that's ass and I.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the fucking left hook comes screaming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just out of nowhere, left field.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aliens, I'm gonna fuck it through that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything I don't understand is a demon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Except for Epstein, because he was a tax monster.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a tax monster.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate this place.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Joe pressed JD on that statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Aliens are demons thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he made it very clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my personal opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like that for whatever reason, whether it be a JD or the government, I don't know what the reasoning would be, and I'm going to really try to speculate.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the way, if you don't believe me, listen to it, the way he worded things, the way he tried to explain things, the way he pushed things, tells me without a fraction of a doubt.
[SPEAKER_00]: The government is trying to push an agenda with aliens and religion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that is because Joe caught him in a couple hiccups.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, JD just kept trying to push
[SPEAKER_00]: the demon narrative onto specific labels and Joe's like, no, that doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not how this works.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because JD said something to the effect of anything out there that would commit acts of, because Joe specifically asked him about why do you think aliens or demons vice versa, whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like Joe really wanted to push him on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like the best, like I said, I'm a week away from it, so I'm not going to get it exactly correct, but the way I took it is JD explained in his opinion that anything any species out there that is capable of committing acts of evil are demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like Epstein and his pals correct that would fall underneath that leaf he left that part out whenever he was saying Tax man bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: He left that hole and listen, I'm not I'm not going to dispute people's opinion on aliens being demons and demons being alien I don't This is not what I'm not here to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just found it very interesting That he got called on it and then he tried it because when he first made that statement he made that statement very very very very clear He said I believe aliens are demons
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't elaborate.
[SPEAKER_00]: He made a blanket statement, which is extremely fucking dangerous in that genre if you ask me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he gets called up to bat again with Rogan.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he wants to break it statement and be like, well, anything that commits acts of evil is a demon in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like and you know at that point like like we're having a conversation about the possibility of extra terrestrial's we're not we're not talking about Because I can I can I can also Understand people making a comment man like eight of Hitler was a demon all right cool there's evidence this is board that Sure, I'll let you have that one but You have to remember that in this conversation that they're having
[SPEAKER_00]: They are talking about extraterrestrials, the possibility of extraterrestrials.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not talking about theory or theology or anything about nature.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're talking about literals, the possibility of extraterrestrials and the idea, the possibility, the belief of actual demonic beings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not your idea, not your theology or your theory or whatever on life itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Virgil.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that you, you were understanding that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was just, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like, and you could tell, like, you could tell.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very, you can tell the government is trained in like these, these types of interviews and they know how to kind of fluff things and walk things and dance around
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a word vomit situations and then dancing around the subject, not hitting it, just dancing around and then trying to smoke and mirrors their way out of the conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't listened to it yet because that's what that's what I heard that it was just a whole bunch of just beating around the bush and just I wish I wish I would listen again so I could have time marked the because that's the fuck all the other like it's about the middle of the show the middle of the episode when they start getting into the Epstein stuff that's the kickoff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can find that you're at the beginning of what I'm the anything before that is all bullshit don't worry about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get, it's like I said, it's about, it's about halfway point in the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: You find the obscene stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're, you're there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you need, and the rest of it's just dog shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about the rest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because his push in his book, communion, and all that fucking crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually wondering how restrained Joe was, you know, like he probably had a very, very set goal post as to how far he could push.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe I'm sure because if he dug in hard, he would probably have JD just stumbling around stuttering worse than he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I don't I don't believe for a second that Joe's dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Joe's pretty smart guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and he like he interviews people for a living.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how that's how he became.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't communion a wittly straver book?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe, drop one of that out.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in that name, that's very religious forward name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of back with all the aliens or demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck timeline are we on right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's I think it's a book supposed to be about his journey in reconnecting with Christ and stuff, which is whatever, but yeah, UFO.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely ironic timing, you know, with the UFO stuff going on, and he's like, no, I've never heard of, you know, community in the Whitley Streeper book about aliens, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: How, how are you leading the charge telling people about aliens and you never heard of Whitley Streeper?
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think I'm saying like Which is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also crazy to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I I get that they're probably those like the as long as it's real The the word busy I probably can't comprehend their level of busy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they're busy But I can tell you that if I got into the White House, just I think JD bragged about how he essentially had like
[SPEAKER_00]: But he essentially can look at everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, clearance is not a thing for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I do plan on going through all of the alien stuff and really figuring out what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my head, I might bullshit because that had been day one shit for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That had been day one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was said, yo, uh, big dog, you go ahead and present it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do your thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas long as it takes to read through every single alien document we got, that's where I'm going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking clown shows what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bro said he's never heard of ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's because it's the first rule of,
[SPEAKER_01]: Satanic ritual fight club you never speak of satanic ritual fight club true story And yeah, I I guys I get I am I'm in a green set he definitely doesn't have clearance for that shit He likes it Don't fuck horn he likes the thing he does all I'll get to the bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard of Whitley Streber over the book communion, but I'm gonna get to the bottom of this UFO stuff
[SPEAKER_00]: it's just thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I was, I don't know, like I was, I was taking back by like, how crazy the interview was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't believe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I figured to be a shisho.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, like I said, I wanted to hear about the alien shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I wanted to hear about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Despite me having zero faith in it, I still wanted to hear it, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And because I do enjoy Joe, you know, and I do enjoy a lot of his stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I listened to it and I was I was fucking floored by the responses.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the like it it was it was like it kicked the nuts when he was like dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: His fucking taxes man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's where this story really is fucking crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: because he's like all the stuff like there is no more documents we've released them all everything's out he's like the real scandal and the real atrocities like they're back in like oh fucking like 97 to 2005 or some some early years like that you see before the internet and all that shit he's like it all deals with taxes
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally, in my head, I'm like, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck?
[SPEAKER_01]: It tells you everything you need to know right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It tells you everything you need to know about the handling of the Epstein files is that the real atrocity is the money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It tells you everything you need to know about how that was handled.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be cool, I didn't listen to that one, Virgil.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be cool if I, which I know he can't, if Joe could speak unfiltered, post the interview about how he thought that interview went.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes he will in the next episode of his show.
[SPEAKER_00]: some not fully though like now like like a yeah as you said unfiltered but sometimes somebody will bring it up and he'll kind of he'll tell I mean he'll essentially tell the truth probably as much as he can tell it because you know there's there's guidelines behind it and I'm sure when it's the vice president president in the United States he's handcuffed a lot more than we know he is oh fuck yeah he's not going to
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, Miss Tiad, I don't want trials.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a specific action.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it involve a wood jipper?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you don't hurt people like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should never in today's era.
[SPEAKER_00]: Things like that should be non-existent.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should never happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy me and that one motherfucker's been arrested since the files are dropped.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Bonkers Yeah, it's about justice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about money.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all this man money and power
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there hasn't been it's just like when you guys were shooting off earlier about the whole I played the fifth thing Even at that motherfucker came out and told every single thing Everything it wouldn't matter we know this we know this it doesn't matter The country would hear it and go oh my god Did you hear and then three days later we'd be on to some new talking point and it would all be out to fucking window
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody would go to jail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody would be tried.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's very few people even talking about the files now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know to his.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's pardon.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even if he wasn't pardon, let's be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remove all of his levels of protection.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he, let's say he's sung.
[SPEAKER_00]: Song to the heavens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let everything out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every little baby tale.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now then we'll be done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do you, how does one A get pardoned?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just be a political guy and B.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what does it does it?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you need to get pardoned for if you haven't been doing anything shitty?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a political scientist.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very familiar with it's stupidity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Taxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Problems is everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure you're right, Pogamas.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure you're dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pardon the rapper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably it's favorite rapper.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is fucking crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, maybe it's just more, it's just more facts that they're all liars, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all liars.
[SPEAKER_01]: The more I think about it now, this is gonna come full circle.
[SPEAKER_01]: The more I think about it, the more I'm super pro-Ai just taking the fuck over, because God damn, humans don't do a good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could, we could, but we don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the way that humanity's been raised in the past several decades,
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we could do a good job back when there was like fire and bremstone motherfuckers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had like a strict set of morals, a code of honor, that type of shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we don't have that anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's flexible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody can be bought.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everybody can turn a blind eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all money and popularity and yeah, that's why I mean, like we and we let's be honest, we we know we've all been groomed to fit that genre Which is just a backward slide at this point
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and I mean, I rocked enough Steve and I were kind of talking about the other night like, you know, because I've made the comment on, you know, all of you and I still say it to Steve, like I, you know, be it, we make it or fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do it different than everybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be a piece of shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, I don't want to do bad things for the people that are invested in us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't want to, and it's simple shit, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's,
[SPEAKER_00]: And make it sure, in charge you guys 50 bucks for it just because we can.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fucking stupid to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, that's, that's just fucking stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just, I never, I don't want to be that person that just goes, yeah, I could.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can, yeah, we can charge $100 for a hoodie because people fucking love us.
[SPEAKER_01]: just it's basic morals and humanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what that's it, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what that's what clearly told Steve as sad and I'm like, dude, I'll be fine if we we don't make it, but we always stuck to our morality and we always stuck to our rules, our code of honor, so to speak.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: fucking deviated from the path of a lot of other people, you know, that we just, I'm giving it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we just stuck stuck to what we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's, and that's, poke on us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently you don't get ahead without stepping on people to make your way up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, the Steve won't do that, but I tell you, we'll push our way to the crowd.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll push our way to the crowd.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just ain't going to fucking drag everybody else down with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: We might take a like a super long path out around the crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it takes us like three months to get to where we need to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get petty and fire shots.
[SPEAKER_00]: We ain't gonna do it directly in front, everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we do it, if we do it, directly it's gonna be in person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will make an alien big booty sticker to make fun of alien big cats.
[SPEAKER_00]: true.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not that like that's not even like taking shots at anybody that's just poking fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's poking fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the lack of understanding on our part.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you to be an alien big booty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know what an alien big cat.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see it tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twizz basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Corrected me on the pants or thing and I'm like, well, shit, fuck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess pants.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's our fucking real.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always thought I'm as real, but that means we're all stupid and we just gave a we just made something up one day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told Twizzie at a tiny face for making fun of that little bear's face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things that's important to me though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know everything's minor, like I've said before, packaging all the shirts by myself and putting the stickers in there and getting, you know, like, you guys have, anybody who's bought a shirt, you're getting four free stickers just because.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if they're like, Steve is more sparse with order and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I order stuff, I'll be like, ah, I can get 70 stickers for like 15 bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I can get like 300 stickers for 150 bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm gonna get 300 stickers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll buy a fuckload of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then everyone's gonna want some while, you know, somebody'll be like, oh, I want to buy the style and profile and big foot guide.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, man, here's three of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why, that's my ADHD brain, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I can get 300 of the same stickers or I could get 70 of this sticker.
[SPEAKER_01]: 70 of this sticker, 70 of this sticker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm gonna throw this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I get that, but I'm the person that's like, well, I get 300 of this one, 300 of this one, 300 of this one, and 300 of this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, wow, fuck it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I bought specifically with I bought it knowing I'm giving them away.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not charging anybody anything for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Buy you buy a shirt from the store.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get an only stickers for free.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're super secret, super secret six stickers in there too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're some.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of want to post them just to have not seen anybody else do what I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just want the bragging rights of like Steve and God that it's our alternate personalities.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rob, you got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to stickers or the coffee pot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that everybody calls them gangs or stickers.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to all you guys for ordering shirts too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably, it's probably been my favorite shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've been, they were, I'm proud of they're rocking and rolling.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cool to see everybody post them up in the discord and stuff too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, the gangster stickers were funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, there's a spur of the moment idea from one night.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all I did was text even my go-do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a selfie, that's well lit, no hat on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, all right, but yes, he didn't even ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just goes, okay, he's at the end over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, fuck yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how you know, you can trust your buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, send me a picture of your face.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, all right, babe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I expected like a Y and this me have to explain everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he doesn't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, all right, boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to grow.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you two?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you know that we made it made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we get a grill.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: You ever see us with a grill?
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys don't know that we made it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the house guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, house guy club shirts.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a old school one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's been around a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in order to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, yeah, it's not enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: That type of stuff's important to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just making those little subtle connections with everybody that gives us their time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, it would just be too dude stalking if it weren't for you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what a boy was down to.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got permission to use twizzes like a miss.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you, Pokemon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for hanging out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause we really would.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, we just beat two, two dudes talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't normally like, two of our own horns, because we are pretty humble about the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, if you look up on listen notes, we're like, one of the top half percent of podcasts ever, which is insanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Insanity, and I never talk about it, but I'm mentioning it now because it would not be anything if it weren't for all of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, you guys are the fuel that keeps this thing a truck and yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't believe how many of those shirts sold right off the roof.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, dude, there's so many.
[SPEAKER_00]: I expected the post office later to be pissed.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was smart and less than my wife and took my daughter with me and that changed everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a gay, that was a game changer, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause usually she gives me some type of black.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did she say?
[SPEAKER_00]: A stupid little like, like, oh, you know you're supposed to write the address on the side of the box too, not just a sticker, because a sticker can rip off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, just stupid petty little shit like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's to me that's annoying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Say thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you enjoyed the audiobook.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to post all those links in the Discord server.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it can have Adam.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to forget we did those sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The audiobooks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to keep mentioning it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got them tagged.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got them pinned at the top of all the socials.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've listened to whole catalog, at least 100 times.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like six, what would probably close between regular stuff and night shift?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably about 600 episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, that's like my obsession with ex files because I've watched all of the ex files probably three or four times, which is impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every episode, yeah, it's crazy, that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trash eating bear and only if only feet models Holy appreciate that you don't miss it cool Like I said I'm working on I Spent a long time last night Re-re-vamping because I gave Steve a idea of Tales from the halvers and then I changed my mind about it last night So I started re-reworking on it
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've got the good, a good, a good flow with it, but we're going to run it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think to even I agree we're going to run it in seasons, I think it's going to be good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to sit, you have to send me the new stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will, whenever I, whenever I fully map out the first episode, I'll shoot it over to you so you can read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wanted to hit a certain, I wanted to have a certain tone and I know you'll agree with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to talk about it on the air, but I know you'll agree with me because you see it the same way I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if we portray that right and send that right, it's, I think it's going to be a big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck yeah, yeah, I think it'll be a big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people will really dig it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I'm not giving out ideas live because I know people fucking jank them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have a new formula for tales from tackle box.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just got to get a bunch of video footage of fishing, of me fishing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have that laid out now.
[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be that'll be good too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I meant that they'd want to go present me to fucking Arkansas, but I forgot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was your vacation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but still it'd been fun to, you know, record some stuff while I was fishing, because I love fishing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so relaxing at fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you're vacating, the last thing you're thinking about is like doing stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the first vacation though that I didn't take my computer, I didn't take anything show related.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the first one that I did not work on anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, because me and Kyle, we can communicate throughout the week and shit, but I'm like he's on vacation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just sent him a Yo, be safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a good time home.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the communication room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I usually do the same thing when you're with the boys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember you're with the boys and I'm like, oh, I'm not going to say nothing to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm because I'm like, I'm not trying to talk shopways.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can out there just chill in with this family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was cool though, man, it was much needed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have considered that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been trying to find that like to make some like rubber lures that look like gray aliens and shit, but trying to find the right, what is it cast or whatever, you have to have it custom made somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think that would be that would be fun as fuck to have some Gray.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I don't know if they'd work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hell, you know what, some fish bite on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they might don't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: How's going to say, officially do anything to Twitter's read my last comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know how many pods I consume?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's you, Rogan, West and Tony on my Mount Crossport.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's good company.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm not mad at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pain him on a spoon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't paint.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like spinnerbaits, so it would be kind of sick to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of the fish jig head, have a great jig head.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do little gray alien jigs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just paint big eyes on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the odds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all you'd have to do is you could probably get something to make you a a cast of a gray alien head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have it way whatever weight you wanted to 100 million.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't you have to do is melt down lead and put it in there and then paint it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got an official way to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, I was trying to my dad, my dad might even have some of the other stuff that we would need for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just have to get a cast made, which could definitely hit 100% of you down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was trying to think of, I just got to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paranormal-esque fishing things.
[SPEAKER_01]: We could tie into sales from the tackle box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always thinking of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crumbs make crumb cake, baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to keep putting stuff out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Night shift number two.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a long time ago, Twizz.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're a lot of night shifts in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do you have stuff to make me a spinnerbait there's all kind of has my favorite there's all kinds of like goofy fucking merch stuff that we flirt with the idea of that we're like yeah people like it will they not like it we don't know
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I thought about getting some bookmarks made since I started reading, you know, a little bit more, and I hate having the fold my pages over even though I literally made my wife buy me a bunch of highlighters so I can highlight shit as I'm reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's always kind of a cool thing of the books ever get donated, he picked him up and he find highlighted sections.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I just, I just hit the mark sections.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hit the mother load of half price books, not thin or up, but I didn't I wrote, I found a bunch of UFO, well, UFO Esk books that were signed, like the messages from Ra, remember that like the law of one, I found the first one and the fourth one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where the second and third one are, but they're both signed by one of the authors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found a Dolores cannon book that was signed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who the fuck Donna was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently Donna doesn't need the books anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's for the reason, I think it is RIP Donna.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she went to a bunch of UFO conferences and got all these fucking books signed and I found them at half price books.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, fuck and Donna was probably a cool lady.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She probably knew her shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially having that type of dedication to go to all the conferences and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Signed in 2008.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love half price books.
[SPEAKER_01]: You find like it's it's bitter sweet because you can find a lot of old out of print first print old paranormal books, which is what what's is what I try to collect the most of like pre-internet paranormal literature because the internet changed things, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: So I try to keep the shit like early 90s in the four, and you'll find a lot of people's collection in there, but it also sucks because you know that it was someone who loved the paranormal and loved you a fallogy and shit, but probably died and nobody else in their family gave a shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they just haul them into half-rice books and got fucking $15 for this whole person's collection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: paid and what do you nervous about or I'm nervous about having anything may.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've got listen, listen, starting out in the podcast world is a very humbling experience, especially.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we, again, I don't, I don't like talking about us, but we did, we did pretty good taking off and rising with the help of Tony and egress and all that shit, like that kind of strapped a rocket to our back early.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I remember the first talk about homily fucking experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the first time we went to cryptic on It was the first year we were doing this so fucking nobody knew about us.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but it like like family members were listening to us and I was it I remember walking into that thinking people are nothing we are people are not Fuck no No, I'm like okay, where you are little fish in a big pond
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then as we just get you just got to keep grinding keep going Moving forward then we went two years later and there was people taking pictures with us and all kinds of shit like it's just fucking bonkers It is weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can give you any advice With your show
[SPEAKER_01]: Just stay consistent, stay consistent, pick a day, that you're gonna drop your stuff, be it every week, every other week, whatever, stay consistent, drop on those days because as you build your audience, people are gonna wanna know when your stuff comes out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you pick a day, stick with it, stick with it, keep, keep trucking with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just keep moving forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, it's what it boils down to.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, you will hit a, you'll hit a stride in the, and you'll resonate with the right people, and before you know it, you'll have a live with 30 people in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Book and hashtag winning, uh, Chuck E. Danger.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the squad to guide a parent.
[SPEAKER_01]: We we've only set up at two conventions, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Both Kansas City.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've only done we have only done two conventions as crazy as that's crazy in in this motherfucker for almost eight years.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've only done to we go to song.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've went to some walked around hung out Yeah, like we went to a van meter and we go to crypto kind of everyone's in a while and We stopped we dropped it on Tony the first dog man convention we showed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we went to we did we've only set up it to Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: which we were talking about that to maybe setting up at some more and our schedules are so fucking jacked like it's it's so hard to get things in line.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, just just stay consistent and and have fun enjoy what you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get caught in the whole regamo row of trying to fucking.
[SPEAKER_01]: be the best or whatever the fuck just go in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a good time.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you got a co-host hang out with your co-host because like that's all that that's that's what a boils down to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people need to remember that you are special for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let you shine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just people.
[SPEAKER_00]: people recognize that they recognize the authenticity, they recognize, they recognize you as an as a person.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what sells.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not trying to be Tony, not trying to be Rogan.
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's sell as you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody, like, all of the research material is out there for anybody to get, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if you do like a research-based show like us, interview shows are different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but a research-based show, everybody has access to the same material.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody can get on there, write a script, and tell the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: The personalities, what changes are shows?
[SPEAKER_01]: and I'll stand by that, because if it weren't personalities making the shows, you could just have a high read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, just how it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my schedule is jack.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were right, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: My, my trace today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cause cause is pretty much right where it needs to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine, however.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have talked about maybe doing some more conferences if we can get some stuff like, even to the day, to the day eight years in, we're still recording shows the week before we release shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have nothing in the bank because it takes so long to research and write and it's just a constant cycle.
[SPEAKER_01]: fuck, neither did I.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean, proofs in the pudding right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just just gotta be yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be yourself and have fun because if you don't people people will know.
[SPEAKER_01]: People will know you're faking it.
[SPEAKER_01]: People will know you're not having a good time.
[SPEAKER_01]: People will know you're just sitting there reading a wrote script like oh, this person saw a big but like don't don't cool don't do that don't be you Yeah, if you build it
[SPEAKER_01]: Baseball players will come out of the cornfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drew.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it's been recorded.
[SPEAKER_01]: Off that tangent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, so that time we're going to run the lake.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get up early for work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for hanging out with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, football season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hollis guy Kuzzi's, that's funny that you mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is weird, but you were just looking at those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Funny that you mentioned.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for hanging out with us tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: This went by way faster than I thought it was going to because I didn't really have anything to talk about, but I'm not going to lock her in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask a newbie question, who's Tony Tony, Merkel from the Confessionals podcast, and Merkel media.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big Merc.
[SPEAKER_01]: So go check him out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for hanging out till we meet again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just keep being you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep being you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all it matters.