WEBVTT 00:00.512 --> 00:05.043 [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, I'm Professor Beckstrock, and I'm producer Britain, and this is Prison News. 00:20.947 --> 00:39.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Put on your new shoes, cause it's time to get up off your chair and hear the news without a kiss And it's the news, wash away your blues, cause it's the prison news 00:50.179 --> 00:55.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hey dudes, get up and make some noise because it's time for that prison news. 00:56.804 --> 00:57.785 [SPEAKER_02]: Here we are, boy. 00:59.026 --> 00:59.607 [SPEAKER_02]: Sailor Brit. 01:00.247 --> 01:01.488 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello, salutations. 01:02.709 --> 01:03.069 [SPEAKER_02]: Greetings. 01:03.690 --> 01:05.511 [SPEAKER_02]: It's good to see you, my brother, my friend. 01:05.592 --> 01:08.394 [SPEAKER_02]: My comrade, welcome to the news, baby. 01:09.174 --> 01:09.555 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome. 01:11.416 --> 01:12.877 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me, let me kick us off. 01:13.838 --> 01:14.759 [SPEAKER_02]: We got some news today. 01:14.779 --> 01:15.199 [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. 01:15.700 --> 01:16.020 [SPEAKER_03]: Tell me. 01:17.780 --> 01:23.563 [SPEAKER_02]: That is, is that in Pennsylvania, women with life sentences, they could have a new shot at freedom. 01:24.663 --> 01:34.708 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, there are like 1100 prisoners in the state of Pennsylvania, who are in limbo at the moment. 01:35.028 --> 01:41.671 [SPEAKER_02]: Because, let's start out at the Pennsylvania State Correctional Institution Monthly. 01:43.648 --> 01:56.849 [SPEAKER_02]: 23 women there are currently serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole for second degree murder and in March the state Supreme Court of Pennsylvania said no No, no, no, no, that is unconstitutional and it affects all convictions going forward 01:57.807 --> 02:02.510 [SPEAKER_02]: And if that affects all convictions going forward, they should look back to the past convictions, right? 02:02.570 --> 02:03.691 [SPEAKER_02]: They should say absolutely. 02:03.791 --> 02:09.214 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, anyone who was sentenced to life without parole for second degree murder, that should be in constitution. 02:09.234 --> 02:09.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 02:09.394 --> 02:10.575 [SPEAKER_02]: You would hope. 02:10.975 --> 02:11.155 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 02:11.495 --> 02:12.836 [SPEAKER_02]: But they didn't do that. 02:13.136 --> 02:21.421 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead, they left the decision up to the legislature for how it would impact past convictions, leaving 1,100 people not knowing what's going on. 02:22.522 --> 02:23.282 [SPEAKER_02]: That'll make it. 02:24.903 --> 02:28.265 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take into account that this concerns mandatory life without parole sentences. 02:28.485 --> 02:35.708 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't concern, like if you're doing like 400 years on sentences, this doesn't concern you, which that that part sucks, but whatever. 02:37.889 --> 02:51.176 [SPEAKER_02]: So on June 25th, Senate Republicans, they responded to a Supreme Court decision by authoring a bill that imposed a minimum sentence of 35 years for second-degree murder. 02:53.665 --> 03:16.614 [SPEAKER_02]: And if we're getting rid of life without possibility of parole for a second to rainwater, why would we be imposing 35 years, because that's basically a life sentence if you commit murder around 30 or so, like, especially if you are coming from a background without a healthy diet or access to good health care, right? 03:16.874 --> 03:19.795 [SPEAKER_03]: Or I mean, and we know prisons don't provide good health care. 03:20.934 --> 03:25.677 [SPEAKER_02]: They provide health care, but it's not, the Constitution doesn't say it has to be the best health care, right? 03:28.038 --> 03:45.408 [SPEAKER_02]: So, in the Republican bill, it said 35 years for a second-degree murder, a minimum of 35 years, for second-degree murder, except in cases where the defendant meets a strict set of guidelines, like they didn't have intention to commit the murder, they didn't have knowledge or participation in the murder itself. 03:46.708 --> 03:49.790 [SPEAKER_02]: And in those cases, they can get a sentence of 10 to 40 years. 03:50.270 --> 03:50.510 [SPEAKER_02]: What? 03:50.750 --> 03:51.050 [SPEAKER_02]: How? 03:51.811 --> 03:59.014 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if the, I mean, if they didn't intend to commit the murder, how does it qualify for murder in the second degree? 04:00.375 --> 04:03.056 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you familiar with felony murder? 04:03.156 --> 04:04.317 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, I am. 04:04.817 --> 04:07.779 [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, I am, and that's, that's a bad rule. 04:11.250 --> 04:12.892 [SPEAKER_02]: Some states consider it as first degree murder. 04:12.912 --> 04:16.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Some states don't fell any murder for the uninitiated. 04:17.176 --> 04:21.179 [SPEAKER_02]: This is if I am committing a felony, say I'm robbing a convenient store. 04:21.700 --> 04:29.066 [SPEAKER_02]: And my friend, who I'm robbing the store with producer-bright fires a gun into the air. 04:29.307 --> 04:29.987 [SPEAKER_02]: And the gun... 04:32.029 --> 04:44.461 [SPEAKER_02]: The bullet ricochets and the convenience store clerk dies, I can be charged with felony murder, meaning that I end up doing a lot of time on a murder that I didn't commit and had no intention of committing. 04:47.307 --> 04:47.987 [SPEAKER_03]: terrible rule. 04:49.268 --> 04:50.209 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely terrible rule. 04:50.989 --> 04:58.013 [SPEAKER_02]: I working together with my friend and colleague Stouty did a, did an article on us, viewers back. 04:58.733 --> 05:00.955 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, it's absolutely garbage. 05:00.975 --> 05:11.941 [SPEAKER_02]: It's get rid of this, just eliminate it, wipe it off the books because there's way too many people across the United States sentenced on felony murder when a lot of other countries have done away with it because it is so dumb. 05:14.062 --> 05:14.302 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, 05:17.315 --> 05:20.136 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a competing bill and the Democrat led house at Pennsylvania. 05:20.277 --> 05:21.637 [SPEAKER_02]: The cap sentence is at 50 years. 05:22.818 --> 05:27.860 [SPEAKER_02]: And it expands eligibility for 50 years is still way too much time for people change over time. 05:28.140 --> 05:33.003 [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm 20 years old and I get 50 years that's still a life sentence for many people. 05:33.943 --> 05:44.248 [SPEAKER_02]: It expands eligibility for parole after 25 years, based on the defendant's level of culpability in the crime and consideration of public safety, consideration of victim safety, 05:45.698 --> 05:48.099 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we need to be a little less tough on crime, you guys. 05:49.759 --> 06:06.543 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying, Pat Martyrs on the back, but recognize that people can change and recognize that there are programs that help people change and helping people at a shitty circumstances like poverty and distress is like, enact more of that. 06:06.623 --> 06:11.664 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what's really tough on crime is funding education. 06:12.786 --> 06:14.408 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought we were going to say in the graph the crime dog. 06:14.729 --> 06:17.252 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he takes a bite out of crime and that sounds pretty tough. 06:17.272 --> 06:20.417 [SPEAKER_03]: He does take a bite out of crime, which like I want to how crime tastes. 06:22.119 --> 06:22.860 [SPEAKER_03]: I bet it's salty. 06:23.761 --> 06:24.122 [SPEAKER_03]: Mmm. 06:24.783 --> 06:25.383 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not sweet. 06:25.864 --> 06:26.765 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not sweet. 06:26.785 --> 06:27.827 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably salty and better. 06:28.668 --> 06:30.050 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a little bit of umami in there. 06:31.577 --> 06:33.437 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what crime would cocktail be? 06:34.038 --> 06:35.938 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, what crime would cocktail be? 06:35.978 --> 06:37.278 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great question. 06:37.378 --> 06:38.398 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you a little bit. 06:38.418 --> 06:39.999 [SPEAKER_02]: What crime would cocktail be? 06:40.019 --> 06:41.239 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm stupid today. 06:41.319 --> 06:42.079 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a lot of sleep. 06:42.299 --> 06:44.600 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, what crime would cocktail be? 06:45.060 --> 06:46.520 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a Margarita. 06:46.540 --> 06:47.620 [SPEAKER_03]: It's what it sounds like to me. 06:47.841 --> 06:49.501 [SPEAKER_03]: A Margarita with no triple sec. 06:50.981 --> 06:51.921 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go. 06:52.241 --> 06:54.502 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Rob Bitter concoction. 06:54.582 --> 06:55.482 [SPEAKER_02]: There. 06:55.502 --> 06:56.802 [SPEAKER_02]: Just lemon tequila. 07:00.965 --> 07:18.796 [SPEAKER_02]: So that bill is currently in committee if the lawmakers can't be consensus across party lines then what happens is people convicted of second degree murder in Pennsylvania they will go back to the court system for resensing and what happens then is it gives judges a wide latitude that could potentially result in new sensing disparities. 07:19.297 --> 07:22.739 [SPEAKER_02]: Now some of the people interviewed in the article 07:28.834 --> 07:44.360 [SPEAKER_02]: They think that smaller, more rural areas will end up giving harsher sentences while more left-leaning areas like Philadelphia will give more lenient sentences and they will run into this very stupid problem of having the latitude and sentences going to be way too wide. 07:44.660 --> 07:51.162 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you and I commit the same crime, justice, if there is any justice in this world, should have it. 07:51.342 --> 07:52.883 [SPEAKER_02]: So you and I get similar sentencing. 07:54.223 --> 07:55.164 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's not going to happen. 07:57.865 --> 08:05.568 [SPEAKER_03]: It's, um, I don't know, I've said before, uh, in the justice system, there is no justice, but there is a system. 08:06.789 --> 08:08.749 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just us, baby. 08:09.029 --> 08:10.050 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you got them. 08:11.610 --> 08:12.811 [SPEAKER_03]: Just us against them. 08:14.869 --> 08:19.995 [SPEAKER_02]: a problem for incarcerated people in this situation is they're getting way too much conflicting information. 08:20.055 --> 08:35.751 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody really seems to know what's going on and that's leading to more fear it's leading to more rumors and buzz in the prisons and to not know what lies ahead for your fate if you're going to be in prison next year or 20 years from now. 08:36.867 --> 08:40.289 [SPEAKER_02]: When there's hope out there, I hope it can be a dangerous thing to dangle in front of people. 08:40.369 --> 08:41.209 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't don't do that. 08:41.489 --> 08:43.510 [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, lawmakers get it together. 08:43.590 --> 08:44.150 [SPEAKER_03]: Pennsylvania. 08:44.530 --> 08:45.531 [SPEAKER_03]: We expect better from you. 08:46.111 --> 08:46.931 [SPEAKER_02]: We want better from you. 08:49.673 --> 08:50.153 [SPEAKER_03]: Pull it together. 08:51.733 --> 08:51.954 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 08:52.654 --> 08:52.994 [SPEAKER_03]: Agreed. 08:55.535 --> 08:57.236 [SPEAKER_02]: Now give it to me, baby. 08:57.736 --> 08:59.737 [SPEAKER_02]: What is the news? 09:00.292 --> 09:08.493 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, before that, I think we should give a big shout out to our lovely sponsor, the Roger Williams University School of Justice Studies. 09:10.534 --> 09:21.636 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they have so many lovely offerings in degrees, postgraduate certificates, postgraduate studies, all types of stuff. 09:21.896 --> 09:24.496 [SPEAKER_03]: Let me break it down real hard style for you. 09:24.536 --> 09:26.157 [SPEAKER_03]: We got international relations. 09:29.021 --> 09:35.983 [SPEAKER_03]: about sociology, legal studies, anthropology, your political science. 09:37.003 --> 09:38.904 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like the lens excites. 09:38.924 --> 09:40.464 [SPEAKER_03]: Look at all these 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10:21.582 --> 10:22.583 [SPEAKER_02]: And thank you for your patronage. 10:24.164 --> 10:24.844 [SPEAKER_02]: Indeed. 10:25.345 --> 10:26.786 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's get into some 10:27.398 --> 10:28.799 [SPEAKER_03]: more news. 10:29.139 --> 10:32.262 [SPEAKER_03]: This one comes out of Futurism.com. 10:32.742 --> 10:44.951 [SPEAKER_03]: It's by Joe Wilkins and this headline says, the diarrhea lettuce company has been linked to forced labor. 10:46.587 --> 10:47.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh. 10:47.288 --> 10:49.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I, this has got to connect back to prisons. 10:50.011 --> 10:51.172 [SPEAKER_02]: I already see where this is going. 10:51.212 --> 10:54.295 [SPEAKER_02]: I've created a mental map in my imagination. 10:54.695 --> 10:56.717 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, putting the red strings together. 10:56.797 --> 10:57.197 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 10:57.257 --> 11:06.746 [SPEAKER_03]: So, when the United States ratified the 13th Amendment in 1865, federal lawmakers very neatly outlawed slavery for good. 11:07.867 --> 11:08.848 [SPEAKER_03]: But not entirely. 11:09.128 --> 11:25.877 [SPEAKER_03]: Talked with an arguably the most important corner of the U.S. Constitution is a massive caveat, saying, quote, neither slavery nor involuntary servitude except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall be duly convicted. 11:26.517 --> 11:28.958 [SPEAKER_03]: Shell exist in the United States, unquote. 11:30.800 --> 11:38.799 [SPEAKER_03]: In the 160 some years since that amendment, a quite or type of foreservitude has lived on in the U.S. prison labor. 11:39.880 --> 11:53.327 [SPEAKER_03]: From the debt-peanage of the Pro Civil War reconstruction era to the privatized contracting of the 21st century, prison labor is a massive moneymaker generating $11 billion worth of goods in 2022 alone. 11:54.447 --> 12:05.453 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, as horrifying as that thought is, one of the companies still benefiting from the practice is in the news for another reason, spreading a gut-busting diarrhea parasite through mass-produced 12:11.200 --> 12:24.385 [SPEAKER_03]: It turns out the Taylor Farms, the agricultural company widely believed to be behind the cyclous spore outbreak currently raging through the U.S. is also heavily involved in modern day forced labor. 12:25.566 --> 12:27.166 [SPEAKER_02]: What's another word for forced labor? 12:27.566 --> 12:32.028 [SPEAKER_02]: Would it be an uncool work? 12:32.668 --> 12:33.348 [SPEAKER_03]: Uncool work. 12:33.849 --> 12:37.230 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, actually, so I got a great word for a capit-lism. 12:38.562 --> 12:42.485 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's slavery. 12:42.725 --> 12:43.346 [SPEAKER_03]: It's slavery. 12:43.906 --> 12:44.867 [SPEAKER_03]: We all know it's slavery. 12:45.727 --> 13:02.659 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, in reporting from 2023 that was resurfaced this week on social media, the publication prison legal news revealed that Taylor Farms was contracting labor from the Arizona Department of Corrections Rehabilitation and Reentry for the low-low price of just $4.75 an hour. 13:02.679 --> 13:03.020 [SPEAKER_03]: Far below 13:09.091 --> 13:10.352 [SPEAKER_03]: for the federal minimum wage. 13:11.673 --> 13:18.599 [SPEAKER_03]: And to be clear, that's not the hourly wage pay to the inmate, which is caps at a dollar 50 an hour in Arizona. 13:18.859 --> 13:26.445 [SPEAKER_03]: They put a cap on payment for prison labor, which is, well, it's only right after all, we're giving a room and board. 13:26.465 --> 13:34.652 [SPEAKER_03]: They have a maximum wage, a buck 50 an hour, a buck 50 an hour, think about that, think about working a full eight-hour 13:36.324 --> 13:40.965 [SPEAKER_03]: and you go home with $12 maximum. 13:42.006 --> 13:44.106 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not like they can spend it anywhere. 13:44.126 --> 13:47.807 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not like you can buy food in the prison. 13:47.827 --> 13:51.308 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it is like you can buy food in the prison. 13:51.408 --> 13:51.889 [SPEAKER_02]: And guess what? 13:51.909 --> 13:55.770 [SPEAKER_02]: That food often costs as much or more than it does outside the prison. 13:57.237 --> 14:04.440 [SPEAKER_02]: people, you expect people to get out of prison and survive and succeed thrive in any way if they have no money on their accounts. 14:04.460 --> 14:06.921 [SPEAKER_02]: Like here's 20 bucks in a bus ticket, see it did. 14:07.702 --> 14:17.386 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you are not, you're being set up to fail immediately because it's a complex because because the system wants people to go back in to prison. 14:17.426 --> 14:20.607 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the system does not necessarily want people to succeed. 14:20.967 --> 14:22.328 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean all on how it's set up. 14:22.568 --> 14:33.334 [SPEAKER_03]: all systems in hierarchies exist to perpetuate their own existence, like first and foremost, and, you know, prisons are an institution that does just that. 14:33.474 --> 14:43.680 [SPEAKER_03]: And like, they need to justify the government funds they get because if they drop a low a certain prison population, then, you know, the money dries up. 14:43.800 --> 14:47.442 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, in as much they correlate with 14:48.322 --> 15:02.846 [SPEAKER_03]: you know, legal departments and prosecutors and judges and cops in order to how is the most people possible in order to get more money and justify their own existence and that's uh, it's not a good system. 15:04.344 --> 15:29.378 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it is, it is an empire that is, has become bloated and it carries way more weight that it actually needs to or that was ever intended to and the prison industrial complex is something I think about a lot and we haven't done an episode solely on the prison industrial complex yet, but there's a lot of money out there that goes into prisons, whether it is construction of prisons, whether it's 15:30.890 --> 15:50.570 [SPEAKER_02]: whether it's contractor selling like tasers, whether it's even like the toilet paper that goes into prisons like people are making money at every angle and it is all in service of keeping people behind bars and this is perpetuation of misery, especially when 15:51.631 --> 16:05.184 [SPEAKER_02]: there's so many people behind bars who don't need to be there and so many people behind bars who probably were sentenced to way too long of time for the actual crime they did and they are not a danger in any way to themselves or the general public and yet they are rotting for the rest of. 16:06.073 --> 16:08.314 [SPEAKER_02]: relives or writing for a long time. 16:09.234 --> 16:11.175 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a giant waste of human potential. 16:11.375 --> 16:12.756 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just wasting human capital. 16:13.076 --> 16:14.197 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. 16:14.337 --> 16:15.777 [SPEAKER_03]: We're wasting human capital. 16:15.877 --> 16:17.758 [SPEAKER_03]: We're wasting labor capital. 16:17.858 --> 16:20.839 [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we're not because we're paying them less than a book 15 hour. 16:21.220 --> 16:27.783 [SPEAKER_02]: We are we are paying less than a book 15 hour to people to make diarrhea lettuce apparently. 16:28.963 --> 16:30.084 [SPEAKER_02]: Please carry on with the story. 16:30.344 --> 16:32.666 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do another, I'll get off my soapbox. 16:33.367 --> 16:36.810 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do an episode somewhere down the line on the prison industrial complex. 16:36.910 --> 16:43.656 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to figure out a way to make it more audience accessible unless me being angry and yelling about it. 16:44.176 --> 16:44.937 [SPEAKER_03]: No, we could do that too. 16:45.801 --> 16:46.341 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's go. 16:46.542 --> 16:51.365 [SPEAKER_03]: So continuing here, Taylor Farms is just one firm involved in the practice in Arizona. 16:51.645 --> 17:04.635 [SPEAKER_03]: Others include Hickman's egg farms, nature's sweet, and televerday, each of which contracted labor from Arizona's DCRR's for-profit arm, Arizona correctional industries. 17:04.695 --> 17:10.620 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, let me pause there and repeat that. 17:11.643 --> 17:19.345 [SPEAKER_03]: Each of which was contracted from the Arizona DCRR, that's a Department of Correction Rehabilitation and Reentry. 17:20.385 --> 17:25.446 [SPEAKER_03]: Their four-profit arm, Arizona Correctional Industries. 17:25.506 --> 17:33.088 [SPEAKER_03]: The state run prison has a four-profit arm. 17:35.389 --> 17:40.290 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that we should have gotten away from a long time ago or never should have had in the first place realistically. 17:41.535 --> 17:56.663 [SPEAKER_02]: A for-profit arm, it became unpopular a long time ago and then they started masking it in different ways trying to obscure the idea of making prisons for profit in any way. 17:57.284 --> 18:00.506 [SPEAKER_02]: But prison labor is alive and well. 18:02.166 --> 18:02.387 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 18:03.947 --> 18:08.630 [SPEAKER_02]: And for-profit arm, yes, prisons cost a lot of money, the money comes from taxpayers. 18:10.567 --> 18:11.367 [SPEAKER_02]: There's other ways to do it. 18:11.387 --> 18:13.028 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, incarcerating less people. 18:13.368 --> 18:19.349 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yep, shutting down some prisons, getting rid of some staff, and you know how you do that? 18:20.150 --> 18:23.511 [SPEAKER_03]: You incarcerate less people, not difficult. 18:24.251 --> 18:31.153 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem here is it like shutting down prisons and cutting out some staff is correction unions. 18:31.273 --> 18:33.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, they have a strong arm as well. 18:33.854 --> 18:34.634 [SPEAKER_02]: They do, they do. 18:34.714 --> 18:38.855 [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the largest unions in California as their correctional officers union. 18:39.744 --> 18:46.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like 10 years ago, I heard from people that they had like one of the strongest unions in the whole state of California, which is insane to think about. 18:46.852 --> 18:58.406 [SPEAKER_02]: But because of corrections officers, unions, I like that unions are there to protect people and we talked about them on our recent news episode, but it should never become like a protection racket. 19:00.298 --> 19:08.405 [SPEAKER_02]: And it should not exist to keep prisons open if we could potentially shut down prisons and save the state a lot of money. 19:08.905 --> 19:17.052 [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore, save tax payers money and getting people out where they can live more fulfilling lives and greater society. 19:17.892 --> 19:18.813 [SPEAKER_03]: So, spicy take here. 19:18.893 --> 19:24.958 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that anything run by government should be trying to turn a profit. 19:27.753 --> 19:28.553 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree. 19:28.613 --> 19:30.274 [SPEAKER_02]: Except except the post office. 19:30.314 --> 19:37.898 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they should try to make money off those stamps because some of those stamps They'll have like Elvis on them and you know what Elvis isn't part of the government. 19:38.218 --> 19:43.481 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think they should make a profit off that you don't think Elvis was a CIA agent. 19:44.782 --> 19:45.302 [SPEAKER_02]: I take it back. 19:45.788 --> 19:46.049 [SPEAKER_03]: right. 19:47.871 --> 19:54.380 [SPEAKER_03]: So Arizona correctional industries job is basically to turn out bulk goods for the state of Arizona. 19:54.960 --> 20:01.489 [SPEAKER_03]: Like licensed plates, though it makes quite a bit of money selling the labor hours of incarcerated people to private companies. 20:02.410 --> 20:12.494 [SPEAKER_03]: Worse yet, some of these incarcerated workers may have been there as non-citizens, meaning it would be illegal to employ them in the same low-wage jobs if they weren't being held in detention. 20:13.174 --> 20:14.075 [SPEAKER_03]: Think about that. 20:14.115 --> 20:14.915 [SPEAKER_03]: Think about that. 20:15.575 --> 20:16.315 [SPEAKER_03]: Think about that. 20:20.917 --> 20:26.621 [SPEAKER_02]: So that we can put them to work, but not for like labor where they're in the community and they can support their families. 20:26.641 --> 20:30.643 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's put them to work for us where we can pay them nothing and still have them do media labor. 20:30.743 --> 20:41.690 [SPEAKER_03]: Imagine like a bunch of white men sitting in an office, being like, so, how can we pay immigrants less than they came up with this? 20:43.315 --> 20:51.060 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, the worst part is it's not like the like the bad mustache twirling it. 20:51.140 --> 20:57.444 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not it's not even that it's not like a handful of people doing this in office. 20:57.544 --> 21:08.831 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure it's so disconnected through bureaucracy and it's just people signing e-documents and and like people with bad intention signing e-documents and just like a no problem. 21:09.331 --> 21:26.558 [SPEAKER_02]: and it's so but now that it just gets passed down the chain and they're going, yeah sure sure and there are really bad faith individuals involved but it's going to be so boring and how it actually happens rather than like the guy at the top with the evil plan. 21:27.178 --> 21:27.919 [SPEAKER_03]: right, right. 21:28.300 --> 21:42.460 [SPEAKER_03]: So you know Arizona DC are our told prison legal it had hired out 15,700 Mexican nationals between 2008 and 2023 though they couldn't say how many of those workers were undocumented immigrants. 21:45.153 --> 21:48.776 [SPEAKER_03]: They couldn't say, they couldn't say, won't say, they won't. 21:50.257 --> 22:03.747 [SPEAKER_03]: Is Ruben Reyes, director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, told the publication at a time, quote, I'm venturing a guess that a large majority of the people who are labeled a Mexican national by DCR are unauthorized to work here. 22:04.548 --> 22:10.933 [SPEAKER_03]: Putting the context, the revelation is a horrifying twist in an already nauseating story of corporate greed and deregulation. 22:11.694 --> 22:20.420 [SPEAKER_03]: Though the institution of slavery may have been formally abolished, its legacy lives on, fully embraced by the for-profit companies pumping our food supplies full of parasites. 22:21.461 --> 22:27.286 [SPEAKER_03]: Taylor Farms was contacted and didn't respond to a request for comment. 22:28.973 --> 22:30.034 [SPEAKER_02]: There must be some mistake. 22:30.134 --> 22:34.396 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they met too, but they didn't get it in time or something. 22:34.596 --> 22:37.417 [SPEAKER_02]: I get I put all my faith in like them as a company. 22:37.437 --> 22:37.937 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're good. 22:38.378 --> 22:40.179 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm actually being a social. 22:40.699 --> 22:44.521 [SPEAKER_03]: They make a contribution to like the president or something. 22:44.541 --> 22:46.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, we roll it back. 22:46.302 --> 22:47.162 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't Taylor Farbs. 22:47.182 --> 22:48.082 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a mistest. 22:48.323 --> 22:49.063 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, positive. 22:49.363 --> 22:49.523 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 22:50.724 --> 22:51.704 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool. 22:51.884 --> 22:52.805 [SPEAKER_02]: Then I believe them. 22:53.845 --> 22:54.926 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. 22:55.106 --> 22:57.207 [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's our awesome news for the week. 22:57.902 --> 22:59.223 [SPEAKER_03]: Feelin' real good about that. 23:03.864 --> 23:04.844 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so. 23:05.445 --> 23:06.185 [SPEAKER_03]: Me too. 23:06.305 --> 23:08.766 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on to something we like better than the news. 23:08.986 --> 23:09.666 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it. 23:09.906 --> 23:12.827 [SPEAKER_03]: You want to get into some Brit's picks or some recommendations. 23:13.747 --> 23:15.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do Brit's picks. 23:15.508 --> 23:16.188 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it. 23:49.657 --> 24:08.361 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, let's get into some Brit's picks, so I'm going to start out with some music recently released with Madonna's newest album, Confessions 2, which is a follow-up to her early 2000s album Confessions on a dance floor, and I really liked this album. 24:08.541 --> 24:16.283 [SPEAKER_03]: They kept trying to market it to me on Grindr, so I didn't listen to it for a while, because I'm like, fuck you, I don't like to be told what to listen to you. 24:17.183 --> 24:33.734 [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, but I ended up listening to it and it is a great like return to form like all of the songs sound very much like late 1990s early 2000s like club bangers with like deep bass. 24:33.774 --> 24:41.959 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of like deep house influence in there It's a great return to form from Madonna and I enjoy the heck out of the album. 24:42.119 --> 24:43.460 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a highly recommended 24:44.660 --> 24:49.023 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be amazing if you're like, it's not trying to recommend this to me, Grindr. 24:49.043 --> 24:49.763 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even a day. 24:51.944 --> 24:52.745 [SPEAKER_02]: I might even on here. 24:53.605 --> 24:56.327 [SPEAKER_03]: Says the Republican Congressman in a convention. 24:56.347 --> 25:00.550 [SPEAKER_03]: I hear it. 25:01.350 --> 25:02.931 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did not like the song. 25:02.951 --> 25:05.352 [SPEAKER_02]: She's got with Sabrina Carpenter, but I've not listened to the rest yet. 25:05.432 --> 25:06.893 [SPEAKER_03]: I've been excited to listen to it now. 25:06.933 --> 25:07.334 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no. 25:07.554 --> 25:08.835 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd give the whole album a listen. 25:08.955 --> 25:09.435 [SPEAKER_03]: It's quite good. 25:10.862 --> 25:23.968 [SPEAKER_03]: next I'm gonna recommend a show so I think it's on show time we got the third season of interview with the vampire that they're just calling the vampire list at because it is a adaptation of the novel the vampire list at. 25:25.302 --> 25:36.208 [SPEAKER_03]: True to form for the show though, they make it much gayer and much hornier, which is a hard thing to do in an ant rice novel, because ant rice novels are very corny. 25:37.308 --> 25:42.451 [SPEAKER_03]: And I've been watching through it, and I'm really enjoying it so far. 25:43.011 --> 25:49.134 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're into queer vampire media, this is right up your alley. 25:51.049 --> 26:00.605 [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to see the vampire do a crossover onto the pit where he's working in the ER and they're like, get over here, we need 50 cc's a blood, let's stat. 26:01.226 --> 26:01.607 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 26:09.720 --> 26:26.067 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and my last recommendation, uh, Britspicks is going to be a little podcast that, uh, producer, uh, that professor Beck was on here recently, super structure with Julian Field. 26:27.727 --> 26:45.313 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great little podcast with Julian Field, who you might know from QAnon anonymous or QAAs are calling it now, and a really great comedian named John Gaboris as well, and the basically Julian Field just like talks about systems and structures and hierarchies. 26:46.153 --> 26:55.260 [SPEAKER_03]: and tries to radical very funny comedian John Gapris and Professor Strah here recently had an interview on there. 26:55.380 --> 27:11.631 [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, it's a Patreon only episode, so you'll have to, you know, subscribe to their Patreon to listen to it, but it's a really good episode and Professor Strah has some great insight, but it's a great little podcast, I highly recommend it. 27:12.885 --> 27:14.386 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, so those are Brits Packs. 27:14.646 --> 27:17.147 [SPEAKER_03]: You ready to get into some recommendations? 27:18.708 --> 27:19.889 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, I am. 27:24.151 --> 27:24.872 [SPEAKER_02]: Backstacks. 27:26.153 --> 27:26.873 [SPEAKER_02]: Backstacks. 27:28.154 --> 27:28.854 [SPEAKER_02]: Backstacks. 27:30.515 --> 27:30.955 [SPEAKER_02]: Backstacks. 27:31.055 --> 27:31.356 [SPEAKER_02]: Backstacks. 27:31.376 --> 27:36.198 [SPEAKER_02]: Or Backstacks. 27:36.358 --> 27:37.079 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Backstacks. 27:37.499 --> 27:38.300 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Backstacks. 27:38.320 --> 27:38.740 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Backstacks. 27:38.780 --> 27:39.360 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Backstacks. 28:04.112 --> 28:05.695 [SPEAKER_00]: Recommendations. 28:07.618 --> 28:09.782 [SPEAKER_02]: Yo, it's time for your recommendations crew. 28:10.223 --> 28:12.607 [SPEAKER_02]: First up, we have the feature film. 28:13.328 --> 28:15.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Ghost dog, way of the samurai. 28:15.392 --> 28:16.393 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that film. 28:17.552 --> 28:27.219 [SPEAKER_02]: I have not watched this movie in years and I've been thinking about it recently and how much I loved it and it's so fun. 28:27.339 --> 28:35.304 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a 1999 film starring Forest Whitaker directed by Jim Jaramush and Jaramush. 28:35.844 --> 28:36.785 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 28:36.825 --> 28:37.706 [SPEAKER_02]: He's Italian. 28:38.326 --> 28:39.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Jaramush. 28:39.887 --> 28:40.788 [SPEAKER_02]: He's always been a tie. 28:42.382 --> 28:48.126 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's follows a man who likes reading a book about being a samurai. 28:48.687 --> 28:55.432 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's this weird slow burn film about a human who works with the mob. 28:55.732 --> 28:59.534 [SPEAKER_02]: And I love its depiction of the mob as like a bunch of silly incompetent thugs. 28:59.795 --> 29:04.398 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys think that's probably with the mob really comes out to be a lot of the time. 29:05.534 --> 29:17.701 [SPEAKER_02]: and ghost dog being this insightful, thoughtful dude who doesn't even speak the same language as his best friend and there's a lot of beautiful moments of the film and it's super funny. 29:18.261 --> 29:19.722 [SPEAKER_02]: Can't recommend ghost dog. 29:19.842 --> 29:20.743 [SPEAKER_02]: Where are the samurai enough? 29:24.165 --> 29:24.705 [SPEAKER_02]: You're thoughts on it? 29:25.273 --> 29:25.593 [SPEAKER_02]: love it. 29:25.773 --> 29:26.834 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great film. 29:26.954 --> 29:29.956 [SPEAKER_03]: As you said, very slow burn, a very atmospheric film. 29:30.696 --> 29:31.737 [SPEAKER_03]: Great color palette. 29:31.777 --> 29:33.578 [SPEAKER_03]: It's very like dark and blue. 29:33.598 --> 29:37.040 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 29:37.060 --> 29:37.961 [SPEAKER_03]: Ghost dog. 29:38.021 --> 29:41.783 [SPEAKER_03]: He lives on a rooftop and that's a bunch of like pigeons and stuff. 29:42.043 --> 29:42.664 [SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty cool. 29:42.764 --> 29:43.244 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:43.885 --> 29:45.025 [SPEAKER_02]: It's living a life that guy. 29:45.165 --> 29:45.466 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 29:45.486 --> 29:47.067 [SPEAKER_02]: It's my second 29:53.744 --> 29:54.084 [SPEAKER_02]: Smors. 29:54.164 --> 29:57.185 [SPEAKER_03]: I had some Smors last night and I'd tell you what, Smors rip. 29:58.086 --> 29:59.586 [SPEAKER_02]: Any month of there, Smors are great. 30:00.827 --> 30:09.070 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm noted in infamous hate around Smors because I do not like the consistency of marshmallow very much. 30:10.410 --> 30:11.571 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you found a workaround for that? 30:12.111 --> 30:13.211 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything to replace the marshmallow? 30:13.412 --> 30:22.415 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so I've had like a cold smor with marshmallow fluff and I kind of like that but it's a much different consistency than marshmallow is. 30:24.144 --> 30:24.685 [SPEAKER_02]: I take that. 30:24.845 --> 30:27.227 [SPEAKER_02]: Marshmallow is the weakest link in the smore. 30:27.607 --> 30:28.067 [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely. 30:28.248 --> 30:29.168 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's no way around. 30:29.288 --> 30:30.089 [SPEAKER_02]: It needs some glue. 30:30.369 --> 30:30.609 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 30:30.629 --> 30:30.810 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 30:30.830 --> 30:37.175 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, the problem is that like, yeah, you need the chocolate to be mil tea for a proper smore, right? 30:37.955 --> 30:40.998 [SPEAKER_03]: And how do you do that without the marshmallow? 30:41.959 --> 30:42.499 [SPEAKER_03]: Not using it. 30:42.519 --> 30:42.939 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a problem. 30:42.959 --> 30:47.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, how burgers, like, a really good burger often has mayonnaise on it. 30:48.084 --> 30:49.865 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of people don't like mayonnaise that much. 30:50.626 --> 30:52.587 [SPEAKER_02]: But mayonnaise adds so much to. 30:53.788 --> 31:21.933 [SPEAKER_02]: the burger even though by itself it doesn't really have that much to it right right i mean fat's flavor you know it's delicious we love mayonnaise on a burger right it's it's a necessary evil i would not call my name is equal a culinary evil oh culinary evil that's the name of our book that we're working on is it okay yeah it's about a chef that the chef is naval the knife is evil 31:22.402 --> 31:23.624 [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, okay, okay. 31:24.705 --> 31:27.268 [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone takes it to the chef, but it's like the knife-killing people. 31:27.288 --> 31:29.591 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 31:29.911 --> 31:31.773 [SPEAKER_02]: Guns don't kill people and I have to kill people. 31:33.435 --> 31:36.198 [SPEAKER_03]: That's, okay, that's the mantra. 31:36.419 --> 31:36.939 [SPEAKER_03]: That's something. 31:37.059 --> 31:38.281 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 31:38.301 --> 31:40.083 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we had to work in progress. 31:40.524 --> 31:41.184 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a new idea. 31:41.204 --> 31:42.386 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll work shop that later. 31:44.438 --> 31:48.400 [SPEAKER_02]: Interestingly, my third recommendation was going to be a superstructure with Julian Field. 31:49.400 --> 32:04.048 [SPEAKER_02]: Since it was already a Brit's pick, I will say, listen to superstructure with Julian Field, but the QA podcast, if you were interested in conspiracy theories or critical takes of online subcultures and 32:05.268 --> 32:10.532 [SPEAKER_02]: you want, you want people who are funny, you want people who are knowledgeable and interesting, charismatic. 32:11.052 --> 32:11.953 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't recommend it enough. 32:11.993 --> 32:19.898 [SPEAKER_02]: QAA has been one of my favorite podcasts to listen to for years, Brit and media expert Spencer turned me on to it and I can't get enough. 32:21.219 --> 32:21.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Check out QAA. 32:23.840 --> 32:25.241 [SPEAKER_02]: Formerly QAA non-anonymous. 32:25.882 --> 32:26.102 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 32:27.314 --> 32:40.198 [SPEAKER_02]: for more information on what QAnon has done to our culture, how it is morphed into becoming mainstream politics and something that is all around us that you you still hear about all that time. 32:40.318 --> 32:41.739 [SPEAKER_03]: That was more the early days. 32:41.779 --> 32:46.540 [SPEAKER_03]: They have moved largely away from QAnon since that's not really a thing anymore. 32:47.200 --> 32:51.902 [SPEAKER_03]: And moved on to like much different conspiracies and like government structures and things like that. 32:52.849 --> 33:16.841 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well what I'm saying is like more recently it's like talking about how it's morphed into the greater culture church so they will touch on that but it is like talking about Like it had been doing recent episodes on the conspiracy theories around Charlie Kirk's murder, which is fascinating and someone Citizen vigilante this Posted film from Uveble that's notable that came out. 33:16.961 --> 33:17.281 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah 33:18.037 --> 33:36.738 [SPEAKER_03]: uh... starring Jim no um... start army hammer the guy who wanted to eat his girlfriend yeah it turns out it's not a crime to want to eat your girlfriend but it is a crime to eat your girlfriend depending on what you mean by that uh... well that's what you 33:39.765 --> 33:42.487 [SPEAKER_02]: And with that, great and subscribe. 33:42.847 --> 33:43.107 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