WEBVTT 00:18.299 --> 00:27.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Imaginal Inspirations podcast with me, David Lorimer, where I talk to my guests about experiences, people and books that have shaped their lives and work. 00:28.723 --> 00:36.926 [SPEAKER_00]: Imaginal sells play a key role in the metamorphosis of a caterpillar into a butterfly, which is also the Greek symbol for the soul. 00:38.006 --> 00:45.108 [SPEAKER_00]: These cells are dormant in the caterpillar, but at a critical point of development, they help create the new form and structure which 00:54.074 --> 01:05.259 [SPEAKER_00]: My guest today is Karina Angela, who is a noted intelligence researcher, working at the intersection of consciousness, non-ordinary cognition, somatic embodiment and future innovation. 01:06.508 --> 01:33.277 [SPEAKER_00]: With more than five decades of direct experiential inquiry, including thousands of out of body experiences, several near-death experiences, lifelong contact with non-human intelligence beginning in childhood, intrusive perception, telepathic communication, automatic writing and expanded states for awareness, work deeply researches and documents how consciousness becomes information moves through discernment and embodiment and is brought into physical form. 01:34.833 --> 01:47.321 [SPEAKER_00]: In 2019, Karina received transference, connect to your soul self telepathically, from Edgar Casey, and his colleague Gladys Davis Turner, and channel wrote the book within four months. 01:48.522 --> 02:01.251 [SPEAKER_00]: She's the creator of the transference experience, a facilitated experience with people who want to better understand what they're perceiving, trust their own inner knowing, and discover possibilities or experiences they may not be able to explain fully. 02:02.475 --> 02:16.267 [SPEAKER_00]: Since 2020, Karina has also created the chronicles of Karina Angela and Nicola Tesla, an ongoing body of work published on Patreon, documenting her communications experiences and exploration connected to Nicola Tesla. 02:17.008 --> 02:21.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Consciousness, intelligence and future possibilities are which he had many in his lifetime. 02:22.813 --> 02:26.837 [SPEAKER_00]: And so welcome to Imaginal Inspirations Karina. 02:29.639 --> 02:46.232 [SPEAKER_00]: my first question which I think in your case goes back a lot further than most people because it's a shaping moment involved in your choice of work and I'm not sure you had much choice in the sense that you were engaged in spiritual research from a very early age. 02:47.793 --> 02:48.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes. 02:49.034 --> 02:50.255 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for having here. 02:50.275 --> 02:51.656 [SPEAKER_01]: I really, really appreciate it. 02:51.676 --> 02:52.717 [SPEAKER_01]: It's wonderful to be here. 02:57.275 --> 03:14.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, mine began not by choice, when I was five years old, I had a spontaneous out of body experience from trauma, so I grew up primarily on a farm and I was in the pasture helping my going to help my grandfather. 03:15.797 --> 03:32.895 [SPEAKER_01]: feed the cows and one of the cows thought I was an animal because I had this little jacket on with it was a new jacket and I had never worn it out in the pasture before and it was like this white with black polka dots. 03:33.957 --> 03:40.863 [SPEAKER_01]: And so one of the cows thought I was an animal and she wanted to protect the herd so she began to charge me. 03:41.543 --> 03:49.970 [SPEAKER_01]: And so all I remember is my grandfather's boisterous frequency saying, Karina, don't move. 03:50.311 --> 03:54.935 [SPEAKER_01]: And within that split second, my body froze and I just went up and out. 03:55.755 --> 03:58.638 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was this, what's happening now? 03:59.018 --> 04:01.120 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I could see and view everything 04:04.722 --> 04:06.643 [SPEAKER_01]: but it was like it was in slow motion. 04:07.364 --> 04:16.150 [SPEAKER_01]: And then in another split second, he said, Dutch is stop and the cow stop and her tracks. 04:17.211 --> 04:22.995 [SPEAKER_01]: And then my grandmother came and grabbed a bee and put me over the fence. 04:23.535 --> 04:25.737 [SPEAKER_01]: But the minute she touched me, I came back into my body. 04:26.197 --> 04:29.239 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was this very surreal, 04:30.358 --> 04:34.921 [SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, traumatic, because all I remember is big cow head. 04:34.941 --> 04:41.545 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm five, and this cow is like coming at me and she would have trampled me. 04:41.666 --> 04:47.189 [SPEAKER_01]: So my grandpa would have really saved my life on so many different levels. 04:48.010 --> 04:55.255 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was the first incident that it shifted me, you know, there was a huge opening there. 04:55.435 --> 04:58.036 [SPEAKER_01]: And then year after year, there would be, 04:59.473 --> 05:01.475 [SPEAKER_01]: interesting things that would happen. 05:02.235 --> 05:02.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 05:02.475 --> 05:19.448 [SPEAKER_00]: So more of that kind of opening because I think you you could say that you've had a lot of different initiations in that sense and your work has been expanding all the time and I don't imagine you could speak about this very easily when you were five or did you feel it was deeply natural? 05:20.810 --> 05:23.912 [SPEAKER_01]: Well I did speak about it you know with my grandparents 05:28.317 --> 05:29.037 [SPEAKER_01]: play the piano. 05:29.077 --> 05:34.479 [SPEAKER_01]: She couldn't read notes, but she could play any song by sound. 05:35.820 --> 05:38.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Just hearing it one time, and she would play it on the piano. 05:38.761 --> 05:40.581 [SPEAKER_01]: And then my grandfather was very empathic. 05:41.162 --> 05:44.263 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was the captain of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. 05:44.323 --> 05:53.866 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was very just incredible, huge, heart and empathetic to other people's feelings. 05:53.926 --> 05:54.747 [SPEAKER_01]: And he could sense 05:56.783 --> 05:58.645 [SPEAKER_01]: they were open to talk about it. 05:58.685 --> 06:03.469 [SPEAKER_01]: But then it was, it wasn't really like the focal point of a conversation. 06:03.549 --> 06:06.752 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just acknowledged and then we moved on. 06:07.353 --> 06:15.160 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, and I, it was beautiful because it laid a wonderful foundation for me to be open. 06:15.260 --> 06:19.123 [SPEAKER_01]: And throughout the years, I would go to them with everything. 06:19.584 --> 06:21.426 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was like, we'd sit at the kitchen table. 06:21.486 --> 06:21.906 [SPEAKER_01]: That was our 06:22.468 --> 06:27.394 [SPEAKER_01]: meeting time, and I would just discuss everything and anything. 06:28.074 --> 06:33.480 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was wonderful to voice it what was happening. 06:34.161 --> 06:37.805 [SPEAKER_01]: But we didn't focus too much on it. 06:37.905 --> 06:41.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it wasn't, you know, a topic of a discussion or 06:42.070 --> 06:45.194 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it didn't lead on for days and days and weeks and weeks. 06:45.234 --> 06:47.236 [SPEAKER_01]: It was discussed and then we moved on. 06:47.537 --> 06:48.898 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very interesting. 06:48.918 --> 07:00.092 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, they were supportive and I think that's the main thing because a lot of the circumstances you might have been had pushed back and say, well, you're just imagining things and you know, oh, yeah, yeah, I got that at school. 07:00.593 --> 07:00.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:03.194 --> 07:19.800 [SPEAKER_00]: And my next question I think is probably again one that doesn't entirely apply to you about mentors or teachers because I think my impression is a lot of your mentoring and teaching came from inside or was there someone who played an important role in that? 07:29.128 --> 07:32.709 [SPEAKER_01]: But then when I was 14, Betty Bethards came into my life. 07:32.909 --> 07:35.730 [SPEAKER_01]: And she became my mentor at 14. 07:35.830 --> 07:38.511 [SPEAKER_01]: I went through some really turbulent times. 07:38.831 --> 07:42.092 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was going down a very, not so good path. 07:42.632 --> 07:49.554 [SPEAKER_01]: Because of all of it, I just wanted to shut everything down and not hear and see and all of those things. 07:49.634 --> 07:51.935 [SPEAKER_01]: It became incredibly overwhelming. 07:54.514 --> 07:56.215 [SPEAKER_01]: She pretty much saved my life. 07:56.455 --> 08:02.538 [SPEAKER_01]: She came in at a point where I was very fragile and just didn't want to be here. 08:03.118 --> 08:04.619 [SPEAKER_01]: And she taught me how to meditate. 08:04.879 --> 08:07.781 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I ended up studying with her for about seven years. 08:08.361 --> 08:09.441 [SPEAKER_01]: She was a straight shooter. 08:09.502 --> 08:14.404 [SPEAKER_01]: She was, you know, I would complain, you know, oh, my back's hurting. 08:14.424 --> 08:16.065 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, you know, because she would teach 08:16.951 --> 08:24.474 [SPEAKER_01]: that, you know, you sat upright in a chair, feet flat on the floor, hands on your knees. 08:25.214 --> 08:28.656 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would always complain, like, my back feels uncomfortable. 08:28.676 --> 08:30.277 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, well, sit on the floor. 08:31.477 --> 08:32.517 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 08:32.557 --> 08:40.361 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I would sit on the floor and then I found, yeah, I mean, she was just very, well, if that doesn't work for you, change it. 08:40.421 --> 08:43.222 [SPEAKER_01]: So she was a very straight shooter and I loved it. 08:46.323 --> 08:50.746 [SPEAKER_01]: and learned how to meditate that way, and I loved it, and so I settled in that way. 08:50.846 --> 08:52.127 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, she did. 08:52.227 --> 09:02.394 [SPEAKER_00]: And what would you study with a sort of higher level, where you were an artist, or did you study anything philosophy, or languages, or science, or? 09:03.595 --> 09:05.076 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, yeah, arts. 09:05.256 --> 09:10.620 [SPEAKER_01]: I was definitely into the arts and literature, creative writing, all of that. 09:10.640 --> 09:11.101 [SPEAKER_01]: I just... 09:11.980 --> 09:17.885 [SPEAKER_01]: As I got older, I just immersed myself into everything I could. 09:18.746 --> 09:24.912 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, whether it was music and science and the creative arts, you know, acting. 09:24.972 --> 09:29.176 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was just a whole, a smorgish board. 09:29.216 --> 09:33.860 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess you could say, just, you know, the whole plethora of things to choose from. 09:34.707 --> 09:39.489 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I just kind of dove in with hands and feet to learn as much as I could. 09:40.209 --> 09:50.193 [SPEAKER_01]: And then metaphysical bookstores, you know, is that bookstores all the time on the weekends and my friends will be like, let's go party, let's do this. 09:50.233 --> 09:54.054 [SPEAKER_01]: I might now go to the bookstore in the library. 09:54.214 --> 09:56.315 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just became just this, 09:57.356 --> 10:03.099 [SPEAKER_01]: Insatiable curiosity was overwhelming for me, and I just wanted to understand. 10:03.579 --> 10:06.541 [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. 10:06.681 --> 10:07.602 [SPEAKER_00]: Resolade with that. 10:07.622 --> 10:13.705 [SPEAKER_00]: So, what were some of these important metaphysical books that you went into? 10:14.585 --> 10:21.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, honestly, I mean, I would just grab things off the shelf and sit down and just open them up to whatever I need it to read. 10:22.089 --> 10:25.651 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Louise, hey, you know, how to heal your body. 10:27.379 --> 10:29.068 [SPEAKER_01]: anything and everything that I would 10:29.547 --> 10:37.032 [SPEAKER_01]: be interested, or my hand would grab, and I would look at, and I just found fascinating. 10:37.693 --> 10:40.855 [SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't, did you need a psychology as well? 10:41.556 --> 10:42.716 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 10:42.796 --> 10:51.462 [SPEAKER_01]: So after high school actually took many courses in sociology and psychology, and I wanted to be a psychologist at one point. 10:51.603 --> 10:55.145 [SPEAKER_01]: So I took a very deep dive into dreams. 10:58.267 --> 11:16.092 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, young and and Freud, oh, I was just so I bought, I bought a dream book and it was by Betty Bethards, my first mentor and I bought several copies and I gave it to all my friends and family and I said, when you have a dream, I need to analyze it. 11:16.432 --> 11:22.094 [SPEAKER_01]: So I went really deep into the dream time and it was just fascinating. 11:22.534 --> 11:25.335 [SPEAKER_01]: So I did that for a couple years and yeah, it was fun. 11:26.573 --> 11:30.454 [SPEAKER_00]: And I imagine you get guidance in your dreams so that would that be true? 11:31.434 --> 11:33.395 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, yes, absolutely. 11:33.635 --> 11:35.735 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 11:35.755 --> 11:39.196 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you say a little bit of a significant one that you'd like to share? 11:39.596 --> 11:50.899 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's so many, but you know, dreams are such a beautiful tool to utilize and Betty Bethard's book, she in the beginning, in the introduction, 11:51.891 --> 12:00.394 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes on to say that, you know, when you have a dream, it will catapult you into the future or anywhere from 24 to 48 hours. 12:01.114 --> 12:08.576 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you have a dream, that's what's forthcoming, or what you're dealing with on a foundational level. 12:09.476 --> 12:12.617 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, everything in the dream is a part of you. 12:13.177 --> 12:18.539 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's really interesting to really deep dive into dreams and navigate through them, 12:19.618 --> 12:36.330 [SPEAKER_01]: They can help you on so many different levels to, you know, get through a situation or get your answers or tools to utilize to help you with certain things that are happening in your life and what is to come. 12:36.590 --> 12:38.912 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's yeah dreams are amazing. 12:39.810 --> 12:49.853 [SPEAKER_00]: Have you had any striking pre-cognitive dreams that's the old deja vu when you suddenly find yourself in a situation where am I going to have to be? 12:50.813 --> 12:52.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, many. 12:52.754 --> 12:54.875 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so I love deja vu. 12:55.355 --> 13:00.296 [SPEAKER_01]: So I lived in Europe for three years and I have never had so many deja vu. 13:01.016 --> 13:03.117 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would turn a corner. 13:03.137 --> 13:09.219 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got this is familiar, you know, or I just would have these incredible 13:09.846 --> 13:21.728 [SPEAKER_01]: sensations that things would happen, and then it was even like a pre-cog, but then deja vu was it was very interesting things would happen. 13:22.828 --> 13:29.649 [SPEAKER_01]: I would you know see them or feel them and then the next day something would come in and it would be exactly that. 13:29.729 --> 13:31.730 [SPEAKER_01]: It was it was very interesting. 13:32.110 --> 13:36.351 [SPEAKER_01]: But I took it as signs that I was on the right path and I always 13:39.882 --> 13:42.224 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm, you know, where I'm supposed to be. 13:42.424 --> 13:50.370 [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's very- Yes, and whether any sacred sites that you visited which were significant when you were in Europe. 13:51.811 --> 14:01.278 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh, there was many, I went to Bath and off of, you know, and well, I was in London for about a month and I traveled everywhere. 14:02.106 --> 14:05.609 [SPEAKER_01]: I could possibly, Paris was really interesting. 14:05.629 --> 14:07.551 [SPEAKER_01]: I traveled through Paris. 14:07.631 --> 14:10.073 [SPEAKER_01]: The Louvre was extraordinary. 14:10.774 --> 14:15.037 [SPEAKER_01]: And I got many, many deja vu's there, which was really cool. 14:15.718 --> 14:20.382 [SPEAKER_01]: And just, you know, just the energies, different energies, even this, 14:23.341 --> 14:38.779 [SPEAKER_01]: years before I was in Paris I had this regression by this woman and she told me that I was this painter in Europe and I had you know the little beret on and everything anyway. 14:40.006 --> 14:51.210 [SPEAKER_01]: A flash forward I was in Paris and I'm walking by the sky that had a barray on and we looked at each other And we're just like it was the weird it like it was so cool. 14:51.250 --> 15:08.017 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like oh my god And I could see the surroundings and I could see what he was painting and it was What she had described it was really interesting Interesting so things like that would start happening Yeah, more often than not 15:09.350 --> 15:18.094 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I understand that and then what was my next question is about key moments of insight in a relation to the nature of consciousness. 15:18.154 --> 15:26.097 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can imagine you, it's hard for you to think of a particular experience that was stood out from others. 15:26.157 --> 15:27.438 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll ask the question. 15:27.618 --> 15:30.199 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. 15:30.239 --> 15:36.602 [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, there was one that really opened me up on many levels. 15:37.390 --> 15:45.176 [SPEAKER_01]: When I began to meditate with Betty Beth Arts, I began to practice on a daily, very regimented, and it was very disciplined. 15:45.196 --> 15:49.239 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a very disciplined person, and when I commit to something, I commit. 15:49.719 --> 16:04.050 [SPEAKER_01]: So for three years, I did this practice, and I would, cause I am very clairvoyant, but I would see myself in this cave, on the ground, in the dirt, lotus style. 16:04.879 --> 16:09.841 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would sit there every day, same place, same time for three years. 16:10.781 --> 16:14.843 [SPEAKER_01]: So within this three years, I'm meeting my guides, I'm meeting parts of myself. 16:15.283 --> 16:17.404 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really starting to understand it. 16:17.624 --> 16:34.130 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like I was in a circle, I was in the middle, and all of my guides and people, they would come in, teach me things, and I would bring in several different parts of myself and recognize the parts of myself, 16:34.680 --> 16:38.202 [SPEAKER_01]: work on my inner child and all of those things. 16:38.902 --> 16:43.064 [SPEAKER_01]: So at the end of three years, I became very frustrated. 16:43.084 --> 16:47.327 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why am I here at the same place? 16:47.887 --> 16:53.370 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the, I could smell the dirt, I could see the cave and explicit detail. 16:54.350 --> 16:56.712 [SPEAKER_01]: And I became very frustrated. 16:56.732 --> 16:59.793 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, okay, am I gonna go anywhere else? 16:59.893 --> 17:00.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this it? 17:00.954 --> 17:03.175 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this what meditation is about? 17:03.807 --> 17:11.353 [SPEAKER_01]: you know at the end of my third year and so I became very frustrated and I kind of set out loud. 17:11.873 --> 17:13.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not meditating anymore, you know. 17:13.615 --> 17:19.779 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm going to this cave every single day, I'm like, I'm kind of getting bored, right? 17:20.540 --> 17:25.744 [SPEAKER_01]: So I go in one morning, same place, same time and all 17:33.843 --> 17:34.183 [SPEAKER_01]: open. 17:35.144 --> 17:37.986 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was like a whole. 17:38.567 --> 17:40.388 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I just was up and out of my body. 17:40.448 --> 17:41.629 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I started traveling. 17:42.230 --> 17:51.717 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was, yeah, that was, that was the pivotal point where I went, a whole, okay, here we go. 17:52.377 --> 17:54.519 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're kind of incubating in the cave. 17:57.518 --> 17:57.878 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%. 17:57.898 --> 17:57.998 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:58.018 --> 17:59.019 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're ready to leave. 17:59.039 --> 17:59.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:59.159 --> 17:59.599 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 17:59.619 --> 17:59.719 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 17:59.739 --> 18:00.199 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:00.219 --> 18:00.680 [SPEAKER_00]: You're ready to leave. 18:00.700 --> 18:01.660 [SPEAKER_00]: You're ready to leave. 18:01.680 --> 18:02.741 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:02.761 --> 18:03.221 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:03.241 --> 18:03.781 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:03.801 --> 18:04.302 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:04.322 --> 18:04.882 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:04.902 --> 18:05.642 [SPEAKER_00]: You're ready to leave. 18:05.662 --> 18:06.102 [SPEAKER_00]: You're ready to leave. 18:06.122 --> 18:06.683 [SPEAKER_00]: You're ready to leave. 18:06.703 --> 18:07.443 [SPEAKER_00]: You're ready to leave. 18:08.123 --> 18:08.584 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:08.824 --> 18:09.544 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:09.564 --> 18:10.184 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:10.245 --> 18:11.165 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:11.225 --> 18:12.226 [SPEAKER_01]: You're ready to leave. 18:20.238 --> 18:26.102 [SPEAKER_01]: explore many parts of ourselves, but then up and out as well. 18:26.222 --> 18:28.423 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was very interesting. 18:28.604 --> 18:29.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Huge opening for me. 18:30.305 --> 18:30.925 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. 18:31.646 --> 18:33.387 [SPEAKER_00]: What was like an ascension process? 18:34.768 --> 18:36.369 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a very long one. 18:38.430 --> 18:39.711 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was one process. 18:40.447 --> 18:44.029 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's move on to your interactions with Edgar K.C. 18:44.510 --> 18:45.430 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been reading about. 18:45.450 --> 18:51.314 [SPEAKER_00]: So tell our listeners a bit about how that came about and what project was. 18:51.594 --> 18:52.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 18:52.775 --> 18:55.637 [SPEAKER_01]: So fast forward, 2019. 18:56.658 --> 18:58.359 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, you know, still been meditating. 18:58.439 --> 18:58.959 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 56. 18:59.019 --> 19:00.480 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've been meditating pretty much. 19:01.041 --> 19:03.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, big portion of my life. 19:03.202 --> 19:03.763 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love it. 19:04.503 --> 19:07.145 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was in a deep trans that morning. 19:08.672 --> 19:13.835 [SPEAKER_01]: in 2019, and Edgar popped up, and he said, you know, he introduced himself. 19:14.656 --> 19:17.077 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was almost like a, you know, deer in a headlights. 19:17.257 --> 19:20.079 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I didn't have any background of Edgar Casey. 19:20.139 --> 19:33.226 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even really know who he was, because I never grew up with his books or any talk of Edgar Casey, you know, I just didn't, I had no reference scene of who this person was. 19:33.947 --> 19:35.507 [SPEAKER_01]: So when he said hi, I'm Edgar, I'm like, 19:37.317 --> 19:43.939 [SPEAKER_01]: and he was almost pleased with that because he kind of cocked his head and it was he was watching me. 19:43.979 --> 19:45.519 [SPEAKER_01]: It was this is interesting. 19:45.539 --> 19:49.521 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, my oversoul was watching us. 19:49.781 --> 19:58.943 [SPEAKER_01]: He was watching if I could, you know, grab on to some information that I had of him, but he, I couldn't. 19:59.364 --> 20:00.944 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was pleased with that. 20:01.084 --> 20:04.005 [SPEAKER_01]: So he said, I'm Edgar Casey and I'm still like, 20:04.949 --> 20:06.949 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're a psychic or something. 20:06.969 --> 20:08.850 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I got, you know? 20:09.030 --> 20:11.110 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was just beautiful. 20:11.130 --> 20:17.852 [SPEAKER_01]: It was this beautiful moment in time where I thought, okay, what's happening here? 20:18.632 --> 20:23.953 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he asked me to start writing the dialogue that we were having down in my notebook. 20:24.453 --> 20:31.455 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said yes, of course, you know, because I had been a channel writer since seven, so I'm like, yeah, okay, sure, all right, it down. 20:31.935 --> 20:33.115 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's how it began. 20:34.642 --> 20:38.246 [SPEAKER_01]: It was this relationship that developed over time. 20:38.706 --> 20:42.590 [SPEAKER_01]: But in the beginning, I was very perplexed. 20:42.710 --> 20:43.711 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's all in the book. 20:43.731 --> 20:49.357 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wrote the first book in four months transference, connector, soul, self. 20:50.158 --> 20:55.203 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's a step-by-step process of what my process was because this is very new to me. 20:55.243 --> 20:57.045 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, what is happening? 20:57.125 --> 20:57.385 [SPEAKER_01]: This is 20:57.898 --> 20:59.439 [SPEAKER_01]: very clear dialogue. 20:59.959 --> 21:04.401 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would test myself, but also ask them questions. 21:04.722 --> 21:08.223 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Galatas came in, I didn't even know who Galatas was. 21:08.283 --> 21:09.544 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, who is this? 21:10.325 --> 21:13.546 [SPEAKER_01]: And Edgar just like, well, say hi to Galatas. 21:13.566 --> 21:14.927 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, hi, Galatas. 21:15.047 --> 21:15.507 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 21:16.468 --> 21:25.653 [SPEAKER_01]: And then so after the dialogue piece of it, and this is all in the book, but I go step by step because I would be so perplexed 21:27.130 --> 21:30.292 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I would start hearing his voice again. 21:30.392 --> 21:32.313 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would start hearing her voice again. 21:32.353 --> 21:36.455 [SPEAKER_01]: And they would say, OK, go to the computer, look up this article. 21:36.996 --> 21:44.140 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they started giving me proof of where to look and for what to understand what was happening. 21:44.680 --> 21:46.701 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was very evidential. 21:46.721 --> 21:51.184 [SPEAKER_01]: It started becoming evidential within the process. 21:51.244 --> 21:51.784 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was 21:52.389 --> 22:01.093 [SPEAKER_00]: It was fascinating and what was he trying to get through do you think what was the message that you received and in broad terms? 22:02.414 --> 22:21.103 [SPEAKER_01]: He died in 1945 so he primarily came to me asking that I write these books for them to carry on their legacy for the new children of the earth and at that time I had no idea what that even meant but he dictated pretty much every 22:22.112 --> 22:28.658 [SPEAKER_01]: entry that's in the book, and there's 44 entries on a variety of different topics. 22:29.939 --> 22:35.804 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's one in particular that he wanted number four to be called telepathy. 22:36.865 --> 22:47.455 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, so we took a deep dive into telepathy and for non-speakers and all of the this information that I was not privy to. 22:48.342 --> 22:53.464 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, you know, I was the note takers, I kept, you know, writing, writing everything down, writing everything down. 22:53.984 --> 23:01.606 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, on the notes to me, you know, years later, now that's a lip of the tapes and Dr. Diane Hansley Powell is in my book. 23:02.006 --> 23:04.367 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a singer speaking to us last night. 23:04.807 --> 23:06.427 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 23:06.848 --> 23:09.929 [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't even know who she was in 2019. 23:10.509 --> 23:17.911 [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of synchronicities and beautiful things really started coming in, even, you know, years later after, 23:18.553 --> 23:19.774 [SPEAKER_01]: the book was written. 23:19.794 --> 23:25.599 [SPEAKER_01]: It was six foreign areas, like, wow, okay, here I get it. 23:25.839 --> 23:29.862 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just amazing. 23:29.903 --> 23:40.611 [SPEAKER_00]: He's my famous for, you know, prophecies of the future and earth changes and, you know, quite remarkable things happening on earth. 23:40.652 --> 23:44.635 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your sense of that, you know, from your own insight from him? 23:47.357 --> 24:01.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that question because I had two notebooks going at the same time, one for the book, and then one for my own personal process, like we would go deep because he would take me on journeys as well as past life regressions. 24:01.045 --> 24:03.427 [SPEAKER_01]: He would regress me and show me how to do it all. 24:04.207 --> 24:10.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I would ask him, I would begin to ask him, you know, oh, can you tell me more about Atlantis? 24:10.291 --> 24:10.951 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell me more? 24:11.432 --> 24:13.013 [SPEAKER_01]: And he would skirt the issue. 24:13.093 --> 24:14.414 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, that's been done. 24:17.265 --> 24:18.406 [SPEAKER_01]: very interesting. 24:18.566 --> 24:23.228 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was no deep predictions or any of those things. 24:23.248 --> 24:24.488 [SPEAKER_01]: It was very interesting. 24:24.508 --> 24:33.392 [SPEAKER_01]: You would always focus for the modern and what would be most helpful for us right here in right now. 24:34.072 --> 24:38.474 [SPEAKER_01]: At the time, I was a little perplex, but I just went, okay. 24:38.594 --> 24:40.275 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just listening and receiving. 24:40.875 --> 24:42.196 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's very interesting. 24:42.236 --> 24:44.897 [SPEAKER_01]: So now there's no like hard predictions or 24:45.654 --> 24:58.765 [SPEAKER_01]: anything like that in in the book, which is interesting, but then just even the topics that we went into on a very deep level are now coming to fruition now. 24:59.365 --> 25:01.467 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's just beautiful. 25:01.747 --> 25:04.589 [SPEAKER_01]: It's beautiful the way the information came through. 25:04.609 --> 25:04.650 [SPEAKER_01]: So 25:06.208 --> 25:11.790 [SPEAKER_00]: what do you think it's going to take to wake humanity up collectively? 25:11.850 --> 25:19.552 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there is a lot of awakening going on, but there are all the people who are still fast asleep and don't seem to understand where we are or what we should be doing. 25:20.593 --> 25:33.597 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's trusting yourself and trusting your experiences, you know, it's going within to really trust yourself on many different levels. 25:34.558 --> 25:55.054 [SPEAKER_01]: and then to bring it up and out and share your experiences because everybody's unique and different and we all process information a different way and I think that's the beautiful gift that has been hidden for so many years and I think if we get to that point our consciousness 25:55.958 --> 26:03.860 [SPEAKER_01]: just evolves organically, and we become more compassionate, and more trusting within ourselves, and then we're trusting others. 26:04.080 --> 26:12.002 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's a huge shift in consciousness when we become that, we embody that. 26:12.362 --> 26:14.402 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what we're headed. 26:14.862 --> 26:17.263 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very excited. 26:18.285 --> 26:41.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, someone a friend who's a GP in Ireland sent a load to our annual meeting saying that she got the sense that life was beginning to rise as it were over and against the machine and and the technocratic surveillance and control and I was I thought that was very interesting. 26:49.520 --> 26:52.207 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, I agree, and I think it's... 26:53.083 --> 26:57.426 [SPEAKER_01]: really important of what we're focused in on every day, right? 26:57.866 --> 26:59.848 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we focused in on the news? 27:00.308 --> 27:00.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we not? 27:02.890 --> 27:05.932 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we sleeping with our phones in our room? 27:06.553 --> 27:08.554 [SPEAKER_01]: No, do we have a TV in our room? 27:08.574 --> 27:12.477 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's all these little things that start to shift. 27:12.497 --> 27:15.339 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we eating high energy food? 27:16.459 --> 27:16.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Right? 27:16.860 --> 27:18.181 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, are we smoking? 27:18.261 --> 27:19.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we drinking? 27:19.221 --> 27:19.382 [SPEAKER_01]: Are we 27:20.405 --> 27:33.170 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, giving our bodies, you know, we're honoring our bodies that much as our temple and we're taking care of ourselves on many different levels, you know, are we hiking, are we walking? 27:33.750 --> 27:42.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's just so, um, there's so much that we can tweak every day, just a little bit, little bit, little bit. 27:43.483 --> 27:44.904 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's all about the focus. 27:45.024 --> 27:47.085 [SPEAKER_01]: What are we focused in on? 27:47.666 --> 27:50.928 [SPEAKER_00]: That is just a tension, is that it's, yeah. 27:51.588 --> 28:00.174 [SPEAKER_00]: And then let's, let's move on to your, your contact with Nicola Tesla, tell listeners about that, because that was a new episode, wasn't it? 28:00.854 --> 28:01.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 28:02.249 --> 28:03.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was, it was interesting. 28:03.970 --> 28:07.713 [SPEAKER_01]: It came, he came in a year after Edgar and Galatas did. 28:08.393 --> 28:10.555 [SPEAKER_01]: So, very different energy. 28:11.575 --> 28:14.117 [SPEAKER_01]: But it came, he came in with one word. 28:14.157 --> 28:17.179 [SPEAKER_01]: I just heard this very, like, strong word. 28:17.399 --> 28:20.101 [SPEAKER_01]: At four o'clock in the morning, I'm getting my coffee, do my thing. 28:20.942 --> 28:22.463 [SPEAKER_01]: And I heard one word. 28:22.503 --> 28:28.166 [SPEAKER_01]: And the energy was so intense, I knew to pick up a pen and grab a post it. 28:28.287 --> 28:29.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever was closest to me. 28:32.434 --> 28:35.475 [SPEAKER_01]: and then we'll go into a meditation and I'm like, okay. 28:36.356 --> 28:48.240 [SPEAKER_01]: So, he came up very similar to Edgar, but in a very different frequency, it was very, it took me three months to acclimate to his energy. 28:48.460 --> 28:58.984 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so intense, and during that three month period of time, I couldn't use my computer, hardly could be on the phone. 28:59.005 --> 28:59.445 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was, 29:00.483 --> 29:09.405 [SPEAKER_01]: tones would hurt my ear so, like, you know, screeching and my body had to acclimate to receive the information. 29:10.126 --> 29:19.608 [SPEAKER_01]: So, for the first six months, I just was receiving, receiving, and acclimating, and writing, and just this clear dialogue that we were having. 29:20.168 --> 29:23.229 [SPEAKER_01]: And he came in, you know, very young, and in his 30s. 29:23.569 --> 29:24.750 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on very clearly. 29:24.890 --> 29:28.011 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I had no background of Nick Kletesa. 29:29.935 --> 29:32.037 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I didn't study him or anything. 29:32.457 --> 29:37.941 [SPEAKER_01]: So didn't have any preconceived notions of there was no filters. 29:38.942 --> 29:56.356 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think when we start receiving from, you know, our guides or from people that have passed on, it's so much easier when we don't because we don't have any of those filters to go through or books that, you know, hundreds of books that we've read, 29:57.113 --> 29:59.194 [SPEAKER_01]: from other people's perception. 29:59.234 --> 30:01.756 [SPEAKER_01]: So I found it fascinating. 30:02.076 --> 30:08.899 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just kept writing and writing and writing and receiving and yeah, it's been one of the things here. 30:09.139 --> 30:10.180 [SPEAKER_00]: What was hidden tent? 30:10.240 --> 30:11.681 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think he came through? 30:12.001 --> 30:13.602 [SPEAKER_00]: And what was he trying to get through to you? 30:14.730 --> 30:18.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I have a lot of backstory that I didn't know. 30:19.051 --> 30:29.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Alba Wyman gave me a session, and it's on YouTube, but it turns out that I had a past life with him and we were a sister and brother in a past life. 30:30.333 --> 30:40.075 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was very interesting when that came up and because I kept getting these flashes of certain information or certain places he would take me 30:40.873 --> 30:42.654 [SPEAKER_01]: looked and felt so familiar. 30:42.814 --> 30:49.457 [SPEAKER_01]: And I always felt this really strong connection to him, but I didn't really know why. 30:49.477 --> 30:51.898 [SPEAKER_01]: And so when it was clarified, 30:52.742 --> 31:00.046 [SPEAKER_01]: in 2021, I was so relieved, you know, I was like, oh, okay, I get it now. 31:00.066 --> 31:00.827 [SPEAKER_00]: The rationality. 31:00.867 --> 31:01.547 [SPEAKER_00]: The rationality. 31:01.567 --> 31:05.969 [SPEAKER_00]: In other words, if you had a post-life connection, then that's what I mean. 31:06.049 --> 31:07.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean. 31:07.310 --> 31:08.111 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean. 31:08.151 --> 31:14.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, because it was so easy, it became very easy, you know, very easy to receive. 31:14.174 --> 31:21.318 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was so clear and so pure that, you know, I was almost perplexed by it, but then I was like, oh, this is okay, you know. 31:21.835 --> 31:29.757 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, when that was confirmed, I just really wanted to continue bringing forth the information. 31:30.817 --> 31:37.899 [SPEAKER_01]: And his perspective was always six years out, 12 years out. 31:38.199 --> 31:47.741 [SPEAKER_01]: He was very much into the future, and we bring back information, and then I would format it into the Chronicles. 31:47.761 --> 31:49.882 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's how the Chronicles of Queen Angela 31:52.143 --> 31:56.224 [SPEAKER_01]: came about because there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of notebooks. 31:56.944 --> 31:59.985 [SPEAKER_01]: And finally I said, you know, what do I do with all of it? 32:00.325 --> 32:01.346 [SPEAKER_01]: What do I do with this? 32:02.086 --> 32:04.186 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's so it's on Patreon now. 32:04.406 --> 32:06.087 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going day to day. 32:06.407 --> 32:07.527 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's hundreds of days. 32:07.647 --> 32:08.828 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm only on day seven. 32:09.308 --> 32:13.189 [SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm doing, I'm going back into the notebooks, everything's handwritten. 32:13.209 --> 32:16.190 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's original sketches. 32:16.250 --> 32:19.691 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, just, yeah, the origin of how it came 32:20.648 --> 32:23.913 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I put them in the certain days in the chronicle. 32:24.853 --> 32:25.933 [SPEAKER_00]: What's his intent? 32:26.054 --> 32:27.654 [SPEAKER_00]: Why did you think he came through? 32:28.134 --> 32:28.995 [SPEAKER_00]: What's come through this moment? 32:29.015 --> 32:30.315 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a variety of things. 32:30.495 --> 32:33.297 [SPEAKER_00]: His work has been neglected, suppressed. 32:33.937 --> 32:41.960 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if we'd followed up his suggestions for energy, we wouldn't be in the position we are now, but vested interests may change. 32:42.100 --> 32:43.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right. 32:43.041 --> 32:47.963 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very interesting, it's very interesting because he never goes back in the past and never brings it up. 32:48.323 --> 32:53.005 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very interesting because he's always forward, always forward, moving forward. 32:53.626 --> 33:00.898 [SPEAKER_01]: and wanting me to understand the dynamics of future and the consciousness of future. 33:02.447 --> 33:08.631 [SPEAKER_01]: and what we can bring in now to help us where we're at right here and right now. 33:09.012 --> 33:09.412 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 33:09.472 --> 33:22.060 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, he goes into nanotech, he goes into, I mean, it's such a wide variety of information and some information, I have no idea, like, what he's talking about. 33:22.481 --> 33:25.683 [SPEAKER_01]: And then years later, I'll read an article or something, I'm like, oh, 33:26.773 --> 33:28.813 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's what that is. 33:29.114 --> 33:30.834 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's fascinating. 33:31.314 --> 33:33.855 [SPEAKER_00]: He was very focused on frequency, wasn't he? 33:34.635 --> 33:45.577 [SPEAKER_00]: He said that if science played more attention to not just frequency in general, but also experiences different frequencies, like you're having yourself. 33:45.617 --> 33:46.277 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 33:46.317 --> 33:54.859 [SPEAKER_00]: We're making almost progress, but there's huge resistance against, and they have any conventional science, again, against looking at anything that's sort of subtle or beyond 33:56.712 --> 33:57.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 33:58.013 --> 34:03.837 [SPEAKER_01]: So on day one in the Chronicles, that's what he focused in on. 34:04.098 --> 34:12.164 [SPEAKER_01]: He said, you know, because I asked him, I said, why all this information, why he said, for the frequencies to change the world. 34:12.184 --> 34:15.266 [SPEAKER_01]: So that right there, I got it. 34:15.546 --> 34:19.029 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, but not frequency just in sound. 34:19.927 --> 34:29.709 [SPEAKER_01]: He was talking about consciousness, information, AI, I mean, everything, which was fascinating to me. 34:30.389 --> 34:33.690 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's why he was bringing, you know, I was writing it. 34:33.910 --> 34:39.252 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes a lot of sense because I mean, just on Sunday, I didn't know what you've seen this film yet. 34:39.292 --> 34:40.692 [SPEAKER_00]: There's new film called Illusion. 34:41.590 --> 34:43.932 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen it yet, no. 34:44.032 --> 35:09.332 [SPEAKER_00]: By half-horse studios, and it's partly about the number 12 across the huge number of disembod, but also about the need for a higher frequency to come into human consciousness in order for us to undertake the real deep changes that we need in order for the planet and life in general to thrive. 35:10.273 --> 35:12.234 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you know, the work of David Clemens. 35:12.894 --> 35:13.955 [SPEAKER_01]: I do, yes. 35:14.255 --> 35:19.637 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's on the same lines, probably, as Tesla in terms of talking about frequencies. 35:20.337 --> 35:37.404 [SPEAKER_00]: So do you feel this is what's happening, that there is this change of frequency, and do you think everybody will go there or will there be what some people call a great separation, that some people will be living in this higher frequency, but a lot of other people will still be in that ordinary world. 35:39.290 --> 35:41.551 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't see it as separation. 35:41.571 --> 35:50.897 [SPEAKER_01]: I see it as coming together merging and a beautiful and a beautiful way and the frequency of tapping in, right? 35:50.957 --> 35:58.642 [SPEAKER_01]: So tapping in and consciousness and where and how that is evolving with each and every one of us. 35:59.328 --> 36:03.791 [SPEAKER_01]: and how we can trust even more when we do experience. 36:04.311 --> 36:10.635 [SPEAKER_01]: Even just a frequency shift of, if there's ringing in the ears and you're tapping into a frequency, it's like, what's that about? 36:11.136 --> 36:23.744 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that happens to me all the time and I'm always attuned to, okay, I'm listening, what's happening and then something happens or I see something or, you know, so it's about our awareness, how aware can we be? 36:24.404 --> 36:26.766 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think when we get to that point, 36:29.480 --> 36:35.305 [SPEAKER_01]: evolving as human beings here, to better ourselves and better the planet. 36:36.146 --> 36:39.368 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is a ripple effect, a beautiful ripple effect. 36:39.749 --> 36:47.755 [SPEAKER_01]: So every person that is connected in in the evolving, it's this beautiful ripple effect. 36:47.895 --> 36:53.160 [SPEAKER_01]: Because something I say right here right now can affect somebody else, like, oh, oh, okay. 36:53.901 --> 36:59.545 [SPEAKER_01]: and spark, you know, and even me, I will listen to somebody but like, oh, that was wonderful. 36:59.605 --> 37:07.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'll get, you know, goose bumps and, and that will really shift my perspective, right? 37:07.791 --> 37:13.715 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's that out of more and more of that on a daily basis that I think, 37:14.324 --> 37:15.064 [SPEAKER_01]: that is happening. 37:15.365 --> 37:18.366 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think we've all of a road to play as it were. 37:19.307 --> 37:23.470 [SPEAKER_00]: We're coming towards the end and so I've just got my two more questions. 37:23.910 --> 37:32.895 [SPEAKER_00]: One is sort of googly in the sense that do you have a favorite quote or proverb that you'd like to share with our listeners? 37:34.236 --> 37:38.879 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, just to trust myself, I just love it. 37:39.199 --> 37:43.682 [SPEAKER_01]: I trust myself and really dive in deep to 37:45.225 --> 37:50.071 [SPEAKER_00]: So that I just, you know, that's very I trust life, trust yourself. 37:50.131 --> 37:51.352 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's very good advice. 37:51.432 --> 37:56.418 [SPEAKER_00]: And then do you have any advice you give to your younger self from where you are now? 37:59.242 --> 38:00.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Be more patient, I think. 38:01.484 --> 38:01.845 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 38:02.975 --> 38:11.800 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, be more patient, it always works out and perhaps maybe not take so many detours because that's what I would do. 38:12.180 --> 38:18.124 [SPEAKER_01]: The rebel and me would get frustrated and, you know, and so yeah, that's probably what I would say. 38:19.436 --> 38:23.198 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that's, I think that's good advice because a lot of detail is going on. 38:24.099 --> 38:26.621 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we need to try and keep ourselves on track. 38:26.681 --> 38:30.923 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Guru, thank you very much indeed for joining me. 38:31.023 --> 38:37.968 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll put your various links in the chat for people and look forward to keeping in touch. 38:39.028 --> 38:39.488 [SPEAKER_01]: Wonderful. 38:39.549 --> 38:40.289 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, David. 38:40.549 --> 38:41.370 [SPEAKER_01]: Really appreciate it. 38:41.390 --> 38:41.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.