[SPEAKER_00]: Aiden Warden has made his grond return to that's a gay-ass fuking podcast, Aiden, you look stunning, but also what is his background giving?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want to give you a gay-ass background for a gay-ass podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I picked the gayest wallet in my house.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you're ready for the gayest questions because we're going to get into of course your sub-stack gay buffet of course your videos in Instagram called Relationship School and he has your podcast getting close but Aidan you're kind of giving slutty content your essays are about breeding about calm about poppers what the fuck and also you were being such a mench and you're coming on to sub-stack with me for a live on 32 what are we talking about Aidan we're talking about
[SPEAKER_00]: and don't get it twisted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I have enough people message me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could twist my throat with your hand wrapped around it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we, I've got enough messages from people actually curious about my tonsl surgery that I was like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really want to do like a full edited podcast episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a sub stack live is so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you are such a sub stack king.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, there's going to be people in the chat wanting to ask you questions as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to join.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do too, and I'm probably going to be smoking a little bit of a J if that's okay with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I'm going to be in Hawaii, so maybe I'll do it like outside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lirri, chill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, first speed to your speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's like life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, me on my like LA, my random LA apartment balcony in a speedo, honestly, crazier things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe you from across the Pacific, and I'll wave to the helicopters that are surveying the crime.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, um, we are going to get into a lot of costs to be questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have one to start us off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you went to the US launch for fruit fly, Josh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, that's like taking the world by storm, especially the gay world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I obviously have FOMO.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be asking him to do this podcast, but I want to read the book before I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like impossible to get our hands on the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you know the T on that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is that book not being so readily available?
[SPEAKER_01]: So they just didn't expect it to have the life that it had and then it was given to Anne halfway on the press tour of the Odyssey.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that video sort of catapulted it, you know, virality is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you just like don't have the expectation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's it is a incredible book that is getting all of the praise.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think like publishers and editors probably are like, there's not like a great market for like this sort of like spooky gay thriller.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course it just took off and like literally every book store is like, oh, no, now we need it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no one can get it, which I think is also contributing to the drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like now that there's this scarcity mindset, everyone's like why have to have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no one has that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it worked on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's, it's, you know, the internet as we say was a mistake, but the good parts of the internet are when someone like Josh can write something and then have the circumstances create such a buzz.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: You love to see gay work being sell a beretated in this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I love about it, and I will strictly maintain that I will give zero spoilers because I want everyone to be as surprised as I was.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is thematically right about like who's allowed to tell who's stories and how a lot of straight women take gay trauma and make.
[SPEAKER_01]: millions of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like not only is it a brilliant book that I think is one of the best books I've read in years, but it has such like a real world meaning and import for me because that's something I really feel.
[SPEAKER_01]: So on a metal level and a literature level it really works so well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy for him and he's so kind.
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people want to know about you and your herstery so i'm going to ask you the question i ask many people when they return to this podcast and that question is who was your first gay who was the first person you were like that one
[SPEAKER_00]: Like desire or like gay wake and like what's the just like I think from for for my Two cents it's more like someone either in pop culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like I see myself in them or maybe an eye A role like a teacher was giving gay and you might have had a crush on them or they gave you like some beautiful core trauma A first big instance of like you seeing gay in a person and it giving you a visceral reaction
[SPEAKER_01]: He was not gay, but the first person that comes to mind is my middle school PE coach, because you are hurting for a squirting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just like stocky bald, always wore the short shorts, it was like a little mean, I was a little scared of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he really sticks with me to this day, which is beautiful because the love for giving names.
[SPEAKER_00]: The last time you did this podcast, I think Mr. Shaw might have come up and it's just so beautiful that he sticks in your brain this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think he's confirmed straight?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I have not
[SPEAKER_01]: followed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no clue about what his life is like since I was a 12th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean a bald.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can be listening to this podcast, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Shaw, we said a little girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish him it as a thick Harry thighs well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you say that Harry thighs still speak to you based on that
[SPEAKER_01]: which is also why I'm actually sad about the trend of these like long shorts that are happening right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wear a nice, like a foreign short because I get really hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, these baggy shorts, these like Y2K shorts, I'm not in two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're essentially a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have me in a baggy panter of short is giving eighth grade girl with braces and that was me it's like yeah although I don't really trust that you don't look at in a baggy pan but whatever you did though last time you came on the podcast we did talk about sort of like body stuff and I know that you've had fitness as a big priority.
[SPEAKER_00]: We actually talked about PE trauma, which is sort of connected to Mr. Shaw in a different way but also the added gay pressure of looking good is a whole level of body dysmorphia that we a lot of us experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now obviously we're celebrating the work you've done, we're celebrating your big tits, we're celebrating all of the deliciousness that I've been blessed and many of us have been blessed to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know as an unlicensed therapist, you're looking gorgeous on the outside, but how is she on the inside?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we feeling empowered by this look or are we feeling suffocated by the need to have abs?
[SPEAKER_00]: So how are we doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes and.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: balance of like I don't know like the the pressure to have a body that is on the internet and connected to your work and your job and status is very complicated and you know like a little lot ago post like a before and after because you know I wasn't a chubby kid growing up in Hawaii and the way that I would get through that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, you know, because we'd always have to go to the beach and we'd go to the beach for school and like, I hated the beach and it has a lot of triggering moments for me, you know, and what I would tell myself is, well, when you get older, you will have the body that you want, blah, blah, blah, blah, and so it's the balance of like, well, I really wanted to put in a lot of work and and do this like something that is, you know, 25 years in the making.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels good to get acknowledgement for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels really toxic to have so much strickeness about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So does it, I don't know, a weird balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you mean like the strickeness of like the way that you are either eating or working out feels like you're questioning sort of like if what's worth it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that's worth, I think, you know, I think I know that it's not like
[SPEAKER_01]: healthy in terms of like how you listen to my body.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel very healthy and I feel very strong um the the program that I've been doing is the first program I've done that I haven't really gotten injured doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it actually is teaching me about how to listen to my body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, yeah, like, I am being strict about what I eat, but I'm also like eating healthy, so it's like it's not And you're probably feeling pretty good because of the healthy food, but let's like, you know, as someone who wants to get to the the the core truth of this What is the food that you're not eating that you wish you could say fuck this plan?
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to have as much of blank.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Fats
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest change that I have learned in this past year that I've been doing these new workouts is the diet is 40% carbs, 40% protein, 20% fat.
[SPEAKER_00]: and give me an example as a girl that might not be smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are fats?
[SPEAKER_01]: So everything you eat is made up of those three things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you eat like butter is all fat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Protein powder is all protein, rice is all carbs, essentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the amount of fat that I'm supposed to eat for that amount is like two croissants.
[SPEAKER_01]: over like a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that is the extent of how much and then I think else is like fucking deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's like three ounces of beef like it is it is really welcome me up to how much fat is put into things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, you're six two and then you need to like probably eat a lot of protein to like it's just it's listen, I don't know if anybody's interested in this conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it is like just the cost of being.
[SPEAKER_00]: a fit gay guy is real and I am, you know, I eat a lot less well than you and I, you know, it's a balance, it's a balance that we have to question about like taking care of our.
[SPEAKER_00]: bodies, and then also like our emotional brains that loves to distract ourselves from the issues of the world and our own insecurities by eating Genies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Genies.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a lot of Genies on the subject life.
[SPEAKER_01]: You better believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also it's like the gay body conversation will never go away and talk a lot about it in terms of like currency and I have a lot of currency and I
[SPEAKER_01]: The most important thing is like right that you figure out how to appreciate what you have and how you can use it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a journey that I am on and not also let appreciate how you look now.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, those holy famous things are like people that say they look back at photos, like I'm a hate in myself back then, like yeah, like I feel like everybody listening right now, like you and I like should like have like an actual moment of like listen, what we look like right now, sure we're going to pick things apart.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like the us in the future is going to be gooning to the thought of looking like what we're going to look right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like some of the most fit people I know are the least happy with their bodies because it does become this like really toxic cycle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Loving your body is more important than loving how you look.
[SPEAKER_00]: Check please.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really important.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just yeah It's like yeah, the gate body conversations always gonna happen, but within it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's try to like have a goddamn ounce of perspective
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think there's also a fun question when we're going perspective like for eight of warrants growth as a creator.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, as somebody who's also hustling my tits off, you're hustling your tits off.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're growing this stunning sub-stack, you're growing this stunning social platform.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, tits.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to ask a question that I don't know if anybody's asked you when you're now out in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now that you have this best-selling subject and people following you, when people stop you in public, what is your favorite and least favorite thing people say to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was like a funny story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on fire island and I had just made these videos about poppers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody came up to me and was like, oh my wait, you're the poppers video guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I literally just finished watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he pulls out poppers from his pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, you have to try it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's these are so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this is, this is important.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a
[SPEAKER_00]: And do they, I think they were from your art system, like, oh, these are these are very nice chic chic Say, um, because the the animal nitrate is outlawed here
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would say the most heartwarming thing is when people say that the work that I do, especially around open relationships and relationships, has really helped them and their husbands or partners.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's always meaningful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's sell it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which happened at your show at Joe's Pub in line shout out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll shout out to Joe's Pub and shout out to Hornie gay guys talking to you public.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your least favorite thing people say to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: about like my, there's a really thin line as a sex educator on the internet and a person between what people think that they have the agency to ask me about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I'm really trying to straddle that line pretty well between like here's why this thing matters to me and my take on it without being sort of silacious because you just said straddle, so now people are going to picture you straddling.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just you can't and then you're like, oh yeah, and then you're on and then just do a stretch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, we live in different worlds creatively, but I do obviously talk about sex and so it's like, you know, some of my DMs are not so, but, um, I, it's, it's understandable, um, but I guess the real then hard hitting question would be, how do you feel about me asking you personal questions once the pay will goes up on substock in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously great about it because, girl, we're hustling how we need to hustle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll do anything for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's famous last words.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have a long list of hard-hitting questions about A to Morton's views on the world and views and the things you talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just as a quick preview for that, I'm going to ask about Jim Cruising, because you're able to put that for Gady.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask about if you're hornier at night or in the morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask about Ducing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask about Calm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be asking about Edging.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be asking about
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, age gaps.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just you've written about so many things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really want to ask you about.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my preparation has gone pretty deep.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you will, but this next segment I want to get into.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it with Jared and right,
[SPEAKER_00]: And for this, I'm going to ask you a bunch of colloquial sort of random questions that might seem just boring in, you know, general, but people want to know the answers from an Aiden warden.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's play stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Question number one.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is your favorite over the countermedicine?
[SPEAKER_00]: I leave because my back hurts all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet he's still not being injured because he's doing a program that's working for him, but also he has to take a leave because there is some inflammation.
[SPEAKER_01]: But very long torso, which means I have a very weak back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, shout out what part of your back hurts the most lower mid or upper, lower all the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same.
[SPEAKER_00]: When do you hear the most devastating stories?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I slipped a disc in my back when I was doing a show, but that show was the bare steam bear's live and I was playing pop a bear in a fax suit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way I hurt my back was placing a song.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got so much fluff on your tummy that you one day bust your pants, and it's a song about
[SPEAKER_00]: The dad being fat, and the choreography you kept touching his toes, and I did that like months ill from over months, and I was also like, we were building the set ourselves because it was like a non-union children's theater show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so lifting all that shit, throwing my body to touch my toes over and over, one performance, snap, crackle, hot guy still, I still deal with a lower paint shit too.
[SPEAKER_00]: This day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a shout out to non-union theater.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: stars they're just like us um eight and more and do you sleep naked and pihamas what do you do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I got like a really nice pair of sort of varsity shorts, but then if I get too hot they come off really fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, well shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the varsity shorts?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just giving like sort of like
[SPEAKER_01]: It's you know like nice laundry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not nice laundry, but that's sort of the that's what I want to fix.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sort of like really silky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about, um, do you make your bed every day?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think you're better than me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, but not for that reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, of course that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, stars are just like us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, um, is there a reality TV show of choice that you love to tune into?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you think about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I take it back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, traders, traders is a reality TV show and a trader's eye door and bake show, I guess that also counts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to like housewives, which I, I don't watch that kind of router like love island, but I like a competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: No intruders.
[SPEAKER_00]: No blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot wait, um, can, uh, wait, I, you know, have slight regrets that I didn't apply, um, because, you know, the second day now, so I was like, God, how fun would that show be?
[SPEAKER_00]: But you never know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Am I weak?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's also like, I was watching some real about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, it's the influence or season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it goes for everywhere from like, you know, a couple thousand followers too, like one point value in, you know, which, what's it, Morgan, I forgot her last name, but I'm really hyped for her because I love her stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I know more, but I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: She makes sort of these like whisper videos about like how your email finds me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, of course it finds me terrible because the world is burning and everything's going to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just, say yeah, some more.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so then from ASMR to peacock, I can't wait to see it sort of like when like on Drag Race when some of the TikTok Instagram girls get in front of a big set and see how they perform.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's I love that sort of human test.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what about this question?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Aiden Warden, do you want to have kids one day?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, it feels too ethically fraught at this point, and honestly, too much work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's actually like the priority number one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of this is going to be a good question that, okay, so for like thinking about, we're not going to have kids, we're going to put our heart
[SPEAKER_00]: into our art.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to make our shit and then let's say we continue to grow aid in you for whatever reason come into like an amount of money where you're like, I want to spend $5,000 on a trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I don't know money, so maybe it needs 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to know where it is eight and more than want to go with and it doesn't have to worry about the financial aspect of the trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: New Zealand is the first thing that comes to mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really would love to, I love hiking, I love nature, New Zealand or like Thailand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the land forms in Thailand are really enticing to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those we might be talking about landforms in this interview.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love a little geography.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love, see the geog girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually on my bucket list is Thailand for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love, I'm really hoping to manifest in this next chapter of my life some more travel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is very small.
[SPEAKER_00]: My birthday is September 21st and it falls in a Monday, so like the Friday to Sunday, I'm doing a very small group to Big Bear.
[SPEAKER_00]: further we can and it's going to be like a weed smoking baking hiking like there's like hot tub like that's I'm really excited to know what you're going to bake
[SPEAKER_00]: my goal to bake is I would say I mean truly it's cliche but there's a brown butter chocolate chip cookie recipe that just makes my eyes rolled up in the back of my head oh we sent it to me of course also have we talked about our birthday because my birthday is five days after yours
[SPEAKER_00]: you're the 26.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're the 21st.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So actually I posted on Instagram asking if people had questions for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the questions was your sign.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you were giving me bra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Libra Sun Cancer Rising Scorpio Moon and shout the brunch out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh fast food chain of choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I'm either going, a Taco Bell is really calling to me right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a gamble, but a lot of times it is a gamble, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just is really what I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're at the gym.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the music playing in your earbuds that is making you feel like you can lift a building?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh, like full, like, rave house music.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like dancing and I'm lifting hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone in my historian Jim hates it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the strength.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's conservative bros.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just a little active rebellion where I get to be like a little bit gay because they're like a little bit bigoted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you wear slutty outfits to the gym?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wear some pretty shortwares.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we going tank or are we going t-shirt?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we going either?
[SPEAKER_00]: Kank always.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I sweat a lot, so I don't like sleeves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll ask about pits over on the subject because how could I not?
[SPEAKER_00]: And speaking, we only have a couple more minutes left until we get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So because you brought up poppers, I'm gonna give a little tease to the subject side of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when would you say was the last time a poppers stench,
[SPEAKER_00]: went into your nasal cavity.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a last week, feels right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: A popper's a roma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give them some love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Re-work the marketing of how it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stench.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something about like the word stench that's sort of like mask and hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I so actually maybe you should give some more respect to the word stench.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bam, maybe I should.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that, tension.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So our episode in January was called hooking up with my friends and people love the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to ask you before we do the final question on the main feed, the question is what is your favorite part about hooking up with friends, like having that sort of like intimate connection with friends, favorite part, and then what
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, favorite part, they actually are kind of two sides of the same coin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there is an intimacy that lends itself to hooking up with your friends, whether that is friends who you hook up with or hookups that become friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, you know, like, I'm an emotional person, I like connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't love a one-off or like an anonymous moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just being able to have that physical intimacy with somebody who also knows like the deep emotional side of you, that feels really safe and comforting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then the challenge sometimes is navigating those boundaries.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, okay, like, this is a moment where I just need a sleep atonic or if you stop wanting to have sex with them, how to have that conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think it's one of the great gifts of being gaze that we get to navigate all of these lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, obviously you and I talk about like horny stuff all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, it's like hornyness is also work and friendship like it all is sort of boiled together.
[SPEAKER_01]: which can be so great and so tricky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's the I, it's the challenge of communication about like having the bravery to sort of say what you feel in the moment, whether it's like I want to not hook up any more, I do want to do whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of what you talk about with open relationships that I think is really great is that it does come down to communication and it comes down to knowing what you want and then being attuned to what your partner or that friend wants and so people give open relationships so much shit and we're not here to like, you know, have that discourse but I think like,
[SPEAKER_00]: The actual beauty underneath it, when it's done well, is that it's good communication and it's great sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great life.
[SPEAKER_00]: When it's not done well, it's people can fucked over left and right and people putting their own sort of baggage, like using openness as I can excuse any who we want to go kind of just add client by all me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is.
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of like why I try to talk about them so much and why I write about them on gave a face so much and on Instagram is just because we as gay men specifically experience open relationships had a much higher rate than other demographics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet we like don't give them any sort of serious analytical thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: we either treat them as like something that is so common that you don't need to talk about it or so like dumb and so that's what I love to do is I'm like no let's like actually talk about it because gay open relationships are different than poly relationships than different than straight open relationships like they have their own relationship to sex and because we have no rule book we practice them really badly often and so what I try to do and why I'm
[SPEAKER_01]: So that we can sort of move past this people using open relationships to exploit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like lying to people about like they're going on a date and then they don't tell that person that they have a partner back home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like stop doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're giving us a bad fucking name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Since my gay journalism is being pinged, would you ever consider being in a poly relationship?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, not at the time, not now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like, sir.
[SPEAKER_00]: Things shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I think, like, you know, the whole thing with, like, being married and being in an open relationship and why I, like, open this a separate than Pauli is it still is a dynamic surrounding one central relationship with other experiences.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would somebody look at my relationship and relationships and say, because I have emotional connections, that's Pauli maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for me, it's about the focus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, love, love, love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would love to focus on the final podcast question for this main feed before we get into Substack, or of course I'm going to be asking about the cruising, the breeding, the gooning, the, uh, conquering, uh, uh, and that final question for the main feed is, Aiden Wharton, if the world was ending, and you could only save one character actress.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, I don't even know if she's a character actress, but my first incident was Kari-kun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a character actress.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's that's debatable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well let's let's have the debate because this is the fun part of this question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a very arbitrary definition of character.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said has been made up by me and there can be people who listen to this who are like in disagreement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: My definition is a woman over 40 who has worn one wig one time.
[SPEAKER_00]: the actual distillation underneath that is that it is a woman that you watch on screen that you feel that brings her certain let's say Carrie Cune deadness into the role, but then they're playing such a wide range of roles that you're not thinking that it's like the same character and you can also picture yourself drinking him a most of with them and just backing out.
[SPEAKER_01]: That to me guys and I stand by that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think here I said I'm just thinking about white lotus and gilded age.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking about like, which she did on Broadway and was unhinged in the best way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard she was phenom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just I think that she so disappears into her roles so well, but then also like, I don't know if you saw like she had this really great quote about.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, the reason why she can do a Broadway play now is because she made, uh, got a platform from TV and film and she's just like such a real, she just so real about like how the industry were actors actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's an actor's actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like most likely, amazing, hang, and happens to be one of the most talented people on the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And have you seen her in the leftovers?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, put it on your list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's where I fell in love with her and I have a friend who works at the theater where they did bug and he was like, she is the kindest, most respectful, most humble actor I've ever worked with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody breathe that in because when we get to hear about.
[SPEAKER_00]: IRL character actress, attitudes, and experiences.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we hear that one of our greatest are actually amazing hangs.
[SPEAKER_00]: A gay little boy gets his glasses wearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, um, eight and more than that is such a stunning answer and you always give stunning answers on that's a gay ass podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited for Thursday for us to discuss my throat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll ask about your throat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk about the recovery.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I will be talking about why I got to consult surgery.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a very specific reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then of course, people can ask their questions in the live chat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody that is on Thursday.
[SPEAKER_00]: September 3rd at 5 p.m. Pacific 8 p.m. Eastern and whatever time it is in Hawaii where we will be in Hawaii to be in Hawaii to be in front of my Hawaiian listeners and I probably will be smoking a J.
[SPEAKER_00]: 8 and might be but 8 and can you tell this listeners where to follow you how to find all of your gorgeous stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you can find me on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: Primarily, Aiden, Warden, AID, A and not E and, and then you can find me on Substack at Gabe Afe, which today I am the number one rising bestseller in health and wellness and say them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And number 69 on the overall leaderboard, which is feels important for what I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so gave us a Instagram, uh, my podcast is called getting close, but we are on hi eightes until next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've, we finally figured out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is an announcement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, come back January of twenty seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ting Ting Ting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's what you can find me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, everybody, we've linked all of eight and stuff in the description.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go check out Gabe of Fayon Substack, eight in Instagram, getting close from January, watch our live on Thursday and thank you so much all for being here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's still a lot more to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, M, with this Substack portion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I want to get into it with,
[SPEAKER_00]: But question about, uh, I think I'm going to start with Jim Cruising.
[SPEAKER_00]: You wrote for Gady a full essay about Jim Cruising and I would love to know your relationship to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have any hot tales that maybe have come from the past, that might make us gleeak.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to let you down because my relationship to it is that I don't do it, which is why I want you to never go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, again, sort of when I pitched it to Gady, I was like, if it's a really good avenue for me to take, because it's like, I don't know how to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not good at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what can I learn?
[SPEAKER_01]: How can I sort of be this conduit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I took the Instagram, then my surveys, got all this information from people, and then gave these.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like, I get so nervous.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's, that's, that's what I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to talk to people, and I like to have a connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't push everyone's buttons, but because I am a business woman and I want these people to leak, then let me move to another question, which is, no, you didn't, you're the honesty is so preferable.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about another essay you wrote is called The Complexities of Com 85% of
[SPEAKER_00]: obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in here, I guess podcast today, we are celebrating come.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, since we are getting behind that paywall, or it's about to cut off right now, I'm even start to tell me what you like about come and then we'll cut it off, but actually tell me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's what I say in the article, like, I love that it is about so much more than just this physical thing that we do, like it is the, for the rest of the interview, head to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Pattison Ross, so Tyler Varvel, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny
[SPEAKER_00]: and I will see you there for a gorgeous, hairy, horny time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you, bye!