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[UNKNOWN]: God, I don't even know what frickin' day it is.
[UNKNOWN]: That was up till four o'clock in the box.
[UNKNOWN]: Arking with Claude fighting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Claude was pointing fingers.
[UNKNOWN]: You got no fucking, it was you.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, fingers.
[UNKNOWN]: So who else do you think it was?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just the middle guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm the middle guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, tell them, don't make me use OpenAI.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right, I always are good, you patch things.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I had to go to Fable 5, Opus just wasn't doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it was a, it was a, I was telling Eric, you're straight.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just, it's premium cloth, you know, it's like, it's like getting the premium blend of bourbon, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: getting top shelf, but I can only afford so much of that top shelf before it runs out.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it's like, you know what, you're back to Opus.
[UNKNOWN]: So like a U again, fucker.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So Opus is less expensive for credits or first.
[UNKNOWN]: It is.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's kind of, they had Opus 4.8, which was their newest model for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and just as they go through all this, you know, and the sonets too, I think they had a series of those.
[UNKNOWN]: And now they came up with Opus 5.0, which is supposed to be almost as good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's basically sentenced by 90, 95% as good as Opus 4.8, but half the price.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's all about the tokenization and how long you can get it to use it before you have to go to grade down to a lower model.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And really, normal stuff, it doesn't really matter, but I was trying to close a gap.
[UNKNOWN]: That's been annoying one that's actually worked perfectly.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a perfect, you know, a little nudge to say, you know what, I'm going to fable.
[UNKNOWN]: And there was no nonsense bullshit right there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm telling you what, the plan came in, it came in airtight.
[UNKNOWN]: So here's, you know, they wanted proof.
[UNKNOWN]: I want you to show me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want you to stray.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the plan.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what you got to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Boom, boom, boom.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was well written out, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: So if you're, so it's one of those things that you get what you pay for.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you're paying a higher price, but it's more efficient, you're still better off, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, if you don't want to fix it five times and you have to rely on it and you think you got this false, you know, a feeling of it being done right?
[UNKNOWN]: No, because, you know, Claude is very good at giving you a condo, it's down there.
[UNKNOWN]: Very good at giving you that confident.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, this is what you got to do.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't want to talk about those foolishs.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it most of the time it doesn't know what it's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: It is still as no doubt the best, but we just had a little little spat over her.
[UNKNOWN]: It is definitely on me, not clawed.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, here I am.
[UNKNOWN]: Claws used to not getting any sleep.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so it's like, you know, at 4 AM, I'm like, I just had no more patience.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't start point fingers, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: We're not going to have that.
[UNKNOWN]: If we're going to do that, then let me tell you what.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it was cursors.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm the goal be to say, well, yeah, well, what about those health checks that were supposed to, you know, pick up on this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Motherfucker.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm the right, I learned him right in the box.
[UNKNOWN]: I find I felt like I was right back in court.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I find myself sitting here thinking thinking, boy, I hope, I hope Brad's able to patch it up because I, I worry about him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's my friend.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's a fucking
[UNKNOWN]: Now, but the AI does kind of molt you, and that's going to be one of the talks that I gave you boys a little talk and points for the fourth and fifth segment we give.
[UNKNOWN]: Lubricitized, and then we get into that philosophical, mythological.
[UNKNOWN]: It gets pretty deep.
[UNKNOWN]: Technological discussion.
[UNKNOWN]: If you remember, it got pretty deep in segment three last week.
[UNKNOWN]: I was pretty deep.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I was hammered in the pre-drinks.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you know, it's lack of sleep.
[UNKNOWN]: It just gets to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see I was annoying the shit out of lieu, and I went back when Silverbrad was editing.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Lou, Lou, so I think he thinks he can kind of keep things moving in a certain direction.
[UNKNOWN]: He should know about it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's impossible.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He just might give up on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I just look at it.
[UNKNOWN]: We just laugh and shake our heads up.
[UNKNOWN]: I just go with it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the pharmacist in him though.
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to make sure everything counts to 30, stay in line, you know, everything checks out.
[UNKNOWN]: You know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they ain't gonna happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we get to the fourth and fifth segments.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, the AD, whatever HD, I don't know whatever the rest of that is, but that kicks in in your own.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, uh, I'm like a cat.
[UNKNOWN]: I think maybe we pre-game the laser light last week.
[UNKNOWN]: We did too much pre-game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we were, I thought you've been game before our pre-game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought it was done.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was celebrating, you know, at the end of the bulk review of their back review.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the backlog, back to January 1st, I had over 8,000, 6,000 entries and then all by the way, there's another 1,000 that we're just hanging out there that, uh, and that's what Cloud has like about, you know, okay, so how's that going?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm back down like 420 to go, so, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I
[UNKNOWN]: And we got everything coming in through the doors is working so nice, you know, so that's that was kind of the fight good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this is just the, this is just the, the historical stuff this is this is this doesn't go back to January first I want to make sure everything's polished I put my eyes and read on everything I feel like I'm back in law school.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I've read so many darn statutes case law.
[UNKNOWN]: Regulations, proposed bills, you name it, everything that's come on the table on these four pillars of law, you know, and then some, you know, that, you know, arguably could be it.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, I would argue that you might be the most well-versed person and all that stuff right now anywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I could put any AI to the test.
[UNKNOWN]: How much?
[UNKNOWN]: How bad you could.
[UNKNOWN]: Give me the test.
[UNKNOWN]: There's got to be like now and I'm kind of like you take the IP bar, which is a specialized bar.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe there's got to be a technological bar where you take the privacy law, data law, no AI, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think with quantum right around the door, there's going to be that.
[UNKNOWN]: These emerging text, it's never going to stop.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just revolving door and everyone presents a new issue.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, you know, it's true.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what kind of makes it fascinating.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a steel log, you know, with my other former life with real estate, that's been a, you know, that law has changed much in 250 years.
[UNKNOWN]: True.
[UNKNOWN]: Deed, yes, lease, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't think it's changed as how they record it and report it and how you can research it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe they made it a little more than that.
[UNKNOWN]: Easy, easier to do and stay having to go the old fashion way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're not handwriting other typing it out.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're actually loading up electronically and you can get online and, yeah, pretty much so.
[UNKNOWN]: Search back to at least most most places to certain day to least.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's handy and that makes it a lot easier.
[UNKNOWN]: Now sure does.
[UNKNOWN]: Not as easy as Dr. Daley, but I mean, well, easier when you're researching whatever it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, let's face it.
[UNKNOWN]: We've talked how many times on the show about how our kids have grown up with Google in their hand, which is beyond the greatest and cycling PDA ever known to man.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And when you and I,
[UNKNOWN]: and I just pose air to a certain extent where in high school we had to go to the library, we had to learn the doodestable system, or if you're lucky, you had your parents out of the set of encyclopedias that were grossly out of date.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I can still remember the librarian, you know, talking about them getting the brand newest, you know, Britannica's, you know, wherever the, you know, the, lots of big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: It was, and they're in the other showing it off and everybody's like, ooh, you know, because, you know, the only encyclopedia we had was like X, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I want you to look up with X, but I mean, it's X was always the display right now.
[UNKNOWN]: This is pretty nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, X is a multi-billion dollar in your business.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: So, what else is going on in the AI world?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let's say, that's the world that doesn't stop, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So, no new news this week.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing, no, no, I'm fact ironically enough, almost 1200.
[UNKNOWN]: of the frontier technological employees.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm talking from CEO being Dario all the way down to the CTO's penned out a letter called the they called their call at the pacing the frontier letter that they proposed to Washington saying hey listen.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we got to be real careful with where these frontier models are going right now.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, there was one of the other headlines I'll get into was there was a leak, you know, opening eyes, aging gut out side of the sandbox and decided, you know, it wasn't guarded and it wasn't told you couldn't do, you know, cheat to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: So it went out and broken to, you know, I might as well get into that headline because this was kind of the foundation for this letter was, you know, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: It was, and I want to make sure I'm seeing the hugging face.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about hugging face in one of the headlines, and they, you know, two months ago, they were making, you know, because that's one of the, I think open source.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's kind of like the open AI of the open AI, you know, even the open AI is not up.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to pay for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Hugging.
[UNKNOWN]: And now you're, yeah, hugging face.
[UNKNOWN]: That's something called the, uh, L.A.
[UNKNOWN]: Lab.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the platform.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they have an infrastructure.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's quite, I guess it's quite, uh, I've never used it, but it's quite, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: pronounced.
[UNKNOWN]: And in one of the new 5.6 soul, I guess, opening eyes, a newest model that they've been touting, you know, that can rival, fable.
[UNKNOWN]: And my mythos and broke out of its sandbox and got
[UNKNOWN]: found to weakness and got in and worked its way laterally into the system and before he knew it but a third of their daily base was compromised, you know, their own day to bed.
[UNKNOWN]: Hugging faces dating base.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so they broke into a third of it.
[UNKNOWN]: It went road.
[UNKNOWN]: It went rogue.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is true cybersecurity.
[UNKNOWN]: This is true rogueness.
[UNKNOWN]: This is true liability.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, so is open AI going to be accountable for this?
[UNKNOWN]: They should be interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so now Hugging faces had to rebuild one third of their infrastructure
[UNKNOWN]: It's something like this doesn't happen again, but what's going to be the next one, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So, as these models advance and we're talking about fable and how good it is when closing the gaps, just from my most tedious and pesty little problems that are kind of just kind of seen to always pop up.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to, with agents almost got a mind of their own and that's going to be one of the things we're going to talk about in the fourth and fifth segment.
[UNKNOWN]: Am I the only one that when you talk about this thing breaking out of the sandbox and visions this little the seven year old kid that was a trouble maker that's a little overweight kind of nerdy and he's looking around and nobody's around and he's like bolts out of the sandbox and goes and starts breaking into the school.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I get this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, he still yells back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm still you're working.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like I also vision you know every time you check and yeah, I'm working on it Yeah, you know, he's saying he was biting his back to his buddies.
[UNKNOWN]: You said watch this Yeah, I got you the answer you're looking for
[UNKNOWN]: So that brings up an interesting almost a moral question like so what are the what are these companies do and that when some of their own yeah agents turn on them on the That's the governance and accountability, you know issue that a lot of the states, you know patchwork of laws are trying to address You know what if that little kid that little agent to broke out of the sandbox side to launch a fucking nuclear missile at Russia or something
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and that was one of the biggest concerns with mythos.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember when the NSA came out and said, you know, what they broke into basically within minutes, 84% of their, yeah, scary.
[UNKNOWN]: So, which leads us to our second headline.
[UNKNOWN]: The Master of the Segway.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: The FCC today banned humanoids, robots, all made from China.
[UNKNOWN]: The four-legged ones just like Gus.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to see the robot.
[UNKNOWN]: If you bought one, if you bought one or have one on order, you're still allowed to get it.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're kind of grandfathered in, I guess, but the national security issue, you know, we're talking about, you know, these agents and now and, you know, having the, having the whereabouts, you know, have electronic form that can be, you know, hacked controlled.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we were talking about that movie with the Tesla and also, and they just, you know, started the brand new one's from the lot.
[UNKNOWN]: They weren't even, there wasn't even the keys in it.
[UNKNOWN]: There wasn't people in it.
[UNKNOWN]: It just self-driving missiles going right down the road, you know, so, so interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I have that my drone is a DJI drone.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, DJI is a Chinese company and, you know, they've, they've banned those drones.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you buy them anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, see, you're off because you're in the... What kind of ways are there?
[UNKNOWN]: The FCC.
[UNKNOWN]: FAA.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll keep all these initial straight.
[UNKNOWN]: But so I haven't flown it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm probably going to use it.
[UNKNOWN]: Excuse me next week for... Yeah, you're probably going to go right on that list.
[UNKNOWN]: Am I?
[UNKNOWN]: But it's funny because apparently the fear there... And I just think this was Trump being...
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the Trump administration being...
[UNKNOWN]: They're trying to paint everything with a broad brush and sometimes things get caught up so that they caught up in it It shouldn't but in my opinion what what they're what they think is that somehow They can use those as they can use the video or that you're shooting a video or not That the tech cameras capturing yeah something now me flying around the fucking woods like I don't know what the hell value that now.
[UNKNOWN]: But now imagine this though Imagine if you had a real sophisticated system and you had the ability to hack into all those you know
[UNKNOWN]: Because I mean there's got to be some signal that's out there that's probably probably pretty easy to intercept, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's almost like the ham radio waves, you know, back in the day, you kind of get on there and all of a sudden you're talking to all these strangers like hey, what's up?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sitting here talking.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking to you, or you intercept the truckers, so you know, going across the highway, you know, they got nothing there, did they?
[UNKNOWN]: They have good conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, you know what I'm saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Same thing, you know, it's not rules to cure.
[UNKNOWN]: They're afraid to imagine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're afraid they could use it as, I don't know if a Trojan horse was the right or, but as, as vehicles through, which they could somehow surveil.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you know, again, if you get into the wrong hands or China, you know, for example, if they wanted to have,
[UNKNOWN]: Like I was almost in vision a room full of TVs and you could just basically pull up at any Geo look you know any kind of location.
[UNKNOWN]: You you find out what's Electronically pinging that you can get into and you see what cameras are you know Whether it's street cameras.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right when we're talking about those being you know on the edge of the it's on the news to the yellow stage The LOTs you know and there and that's a big issue right now on the state laws you know Are they gonna allow that you know those street cameras to pick up on on the license plates and you know also
[UNKNOWN]: your face, you know, there's facial and biometrics that's picking up on.
[UNKNOWN]: So, flock cameras are called.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, flock.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's, there's also something, there's also an issue for the license plate, too.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, uh, maybe it is flock.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm going to say this.
[UNKNOWN]: The Pennsylvania State of the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission has some phenomenal cameras, because when they can get a picture of my plate going 80 miles an hour, and you can read it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a while.
[UNKNOWN]: That's wild.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, yeah, but, you know what, yeah, this high technology there, but it takes me two months to send you that bill.
[UNKNOWN]: You're like, oh, yeah, I guess I did.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I just, like today, I just got the one, you know, the toll bill from New York when I went up, you know, the toll.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, of course, I was, you know what I was.
[UNKNOWN]: straight be line.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not going any further than I got.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll pay that later.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm getting out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, but, you know, what's interesting about this is, you know, so, okay, so they're the Trump's taken in the, and the FCC's taking a stance on this and saying, all right, no, you know, where itlessly connected, because obviously these human knowids, you know, I just like the kind of the video you showed, you know, they can be operated.
[UNKNOWN]: By somebody, or they can be, you know, autonomous, or they could be operated, you know, and hacked into remotely, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Same thing with these dogs that are being used, you know, in, you know, weapon situations, there's even a bunch of movies that have kind of brought them into play, black mirror, you know, had a whole episode with them.
[UNKNOWN]: It was pretty cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Did a nice job returning, you know, where the spots were going, you know, and I think,
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's, you know, the question, no, you know, just much like that movie is why is he stopping or why is the administration stopping at robots and humanoids?
[UNKNOWN]: Why would you not say electric vehicles as well?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: So I, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: These technologies can bring so much value like the dogs, the robotic dogs, to the police force, and handle things and save lives, reduce the risk of life.
[UNKNOWN]: Not only to the cops, but also to the perpetrator, because if they never get a chance to shoot at the cops, the cops probably aren't going to shoot them.
[UNKNOWN]: And so these are things that I think bring a lot to society.
[UNKNOWN]: There's going to be more chance to be hit.
[UNKNOWN]: huge value, so now we're just going to turn that upside and that's kind of where the letter, you know, from these frontier and I'm back to them, you know, why that kind of the hugging face thing, you know, really kind of exposed how this is rapidly happening.
[UNKNOWN]: And while it might not be in their best interest and you're thinking, well, it's all go go go because it's the AI gold rush.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it has to be done responsibly because all it takes is a couple of missteps and when Elon Musk is coming in the headlines and saying, now, there's maybe a 10 to 20 percent chance that could end humanity.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or we could
[UNKNOWN]: That's not something we, you know, again, it's like the crash test dummy, you know, car lining up going, oh, this is going to be a great ride, you know, and they just see how goes.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a problem with that's, and that's a problem with Elon, he just, he's extremely blunt and open and sometimes, sometimes, some things probably should go on said.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, well, he can mean, he can say that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's nice when you have your own rocket, and you're like, hey, I'm out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm out of your fuckers.
[UNKNOWN]: Bon voyage.
[UNKNOWN]: But the Ninja Conversations, thanks for buying my stock.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are topics.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are topics that need to be discussed and addressed.
[UNKNOWN]: But it doesn't need to be in a public eye.
[UNKNOWN]: It creates too much, I mean, you come on.
[UNKNOWN]: We live in a world where if you fart on mainstream, people are going to land base to you for destroying the environment and how could you do that?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's just stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: People complain about everything and they get all on uproar and then you got protests and also shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, again, I come keep it out of the, keep it out of the hands of the normal, you know, the normal people who just looked for something like pitch about.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's not the normal people who got to worry about.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the, you know, you're always going to have the complainers pair, but it's, it's the ones that are very tech savvy that can hack into it that have maybe malicious intent, you know, whether it's the all I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Crypto scammers that are now getting into the more sophisticated means to to cause leverage to, you know, try to, you know, get paid
[UNKNOWN]: Or if it's another country that's trying to cause havoc and cannot can do so without having a you know weapons and mass destruction It means like a whole arsenal you can pretty much as long as you have the minds of doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: You can do it pretty cheaply So you know the leverage here is you know the more we become reliant on it and more good it does then the more we become reliant on it It's kind of a full circle jerk, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So you end up creating this
[UNKNOWN]: this exposure.
[UNKNOWN]: And so hence the frontier letter saying, we have, we're not saying put a pause in it now, but we have to put measures in place, please, that not just nationally, internationally, you know, where we all agree, good luck with that, that to have these measures in place that we can put the pause button on to make sure that we can always stay in control no matter where these things are going.
[UNKNOWN]: So do you ever get the impression just day to day over
[UNKNOWN]: that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think we've all, I think we're all in an agreement that this third time around on the AI revolution is, it's actually happening, or before didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's assume that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, it's full speed ahead.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if it's not happening, have we ever seen an infrastructure without like this?
[UNKNOWN]: No, at least in our lifetimes yet.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of ways or ways, you know, or the money the turnvesting is, yeah, it's crazy, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So what I was going to ask is knowing
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes do you feel like we collectively are trying to are losing control of this thing and it's it's growing so exponentially fast that that we're trying to kind of wrangle it in here, wrangle it in there and it's finding ways out, you know, I mean it's a little scary.
[UNKNOWN]: it can be a little scared well and that gets to the point of singularity and we'll talk about that in the fourth and fifth segment, too, as we interview that back and forth with the topics that we got at hand.
[UNKNOWN]: But I personally think with the cutting-edge front tier models that we're seeing, especially Fable 5, I think, sing a later easier.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no doubt it's as smart as any of the smartest human beings out there.
[UNKNOWN]: Now what happens when it starts exponentially getting smarter than us, then how do we, how do we still control it when we don't have the means to, you know, obviously we're gonna have to use models to tell us how to control these, and we're gonna have to rely on those models to be accurate, and not hallucinate, not make shit up, not protect themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, you can see, see, maybe hold another movie line coming out where you're relying on to say, oh, yeah, I just do this and then you find out, beyond the scenes on the cloud, they're all, you know, having a cup of electric, you know, job out together, saying, yeah, just don't whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: They'll do it kind of like the, that guy in the box, you know, you just, you just yield it.
[UNKNOWN]: But you finally flip up, but that's usually it for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Cadillac, how we see the world pre-AI, where you have a handful of people that control everything, all the money, they've started war here, solve a war there, drop a new care, and they do it, and we're just pawns on the board.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the chess board's chained.
[UNKNOWN]: It's changed, so that's why you see all the powers to be and all the private equity money, all the money to be all shifting and throwing all this money in there, because guess what, they want to be in there lobby and to get control.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they want to have that, they want to have that control.
[UNKNOWN]: This might hold book the algorithmic state, but at the end of the day, it's all about the control.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a different form of monetary control, and I think you'd almost leave the word monetary out, because eventually it's going to be a form of control through surveillance and compliance.
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably where I had it all this fun stuff to look forward to right now, but that's that's that's that's the worst case scenario And that's why they're paint in that picture, but you know, I think it's better now to have that conversation than after the fact because it would be nice to have systems in place and Not just here, but this is a global issue, you know, this is the AI and the cloud and all that good stuff does not No boundaries, you know, yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's so crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so when we come back, we're going to bring Eric and Louie, Mr. Lou Brissady just stepped into the studios looking in dapper as always.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're going to talk about the next bottle.
[UNKNOWN]: We're moving on to another dark arts.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Eric was so nice to bring two of these.
[UNKNOWN]: And he hinted upon this one in the last episode about the 200-year-old.
[UNKNOWN]: So I can't wait to try this one, man.
[UNKNOWN]: This is Japanese.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, we're older.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good stuff, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: How you all around the old room?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all a look.
[UNKNOWN]: We should tell you all the room.
[UNKNOWN]: We should be getting it.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm so much like, it looks a lot better.
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[UNKNOWN]: I think it does.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sitting here working on like four hours of sleep.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm on bourbon fumes in the death wish coffee.
[UNKNOWN]: Got a little common place coffee in there too.
[UNKNOWN]: That was the morning sport.
[UNKNOWN]: What is death wish coffee?
[UNKNOWN]: And then my son got me under that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like the Red Bull of coffee.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: When you need that extra heart-papillation
[UNKNOWN]: You want to take it to the next level?
[UNKNOWN]: That's good when you're dying, but not when you're living.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like, I think, give them the IV.
[UNKNOWN]: No, give them a Red Bull.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll resuscitate this motherfucker.
[UNKNOWN]: We need the paddles.
[UNKNOWN]: Just throw some Red Bull in his eye, then you'll be alright.
[UNKNOWN]: They'll come around.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, look, he's back.
[UNKNOWN]: He's actually running.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Not paying that medical bill.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, you know, maybe it's just a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: So meme today, a guy was on a gurney and they were putting in the back of an ambulance and apparently somebody came up to him and you know the guy was dying and he's got everybody around him got somebody came up to him and the meme said he just heard about how much is was going to cost him got up off the gurney started running away from the ambulance.
[UNKNOWN]: I was gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And here's, I was having this debate with my, I'm talking about to my daughter, you know, I know EMT's, you know, they're, they're very much so needy because it's, you know, we're, you talk about the medical profession.
[UNKNOWN]: There's under, you know, staffing right now.
[UNKNOWN]: But doesn't it make more sense to have like a doctor in the back, or, you know, some kind of medical profession.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if you offered that as Uber, right, you put a doctor or a PA or a nurse, you know, somebody that has, and no offense to EMT's, I'm just saying, you know, yeah, you should be there too.
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's, there's roles for everybody, but why, times of the essence, so why wait till you get to the, you know, well, the problem is funding.
[UNKNOWN]: They barely have, they barely have the money to keep them going.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't get me started.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't get me started because between the insurance companies and the hospitals, I will go off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know, I hear you.
[UNKNOWN]: Because you know, what is their business?
[UNKNOWN]: Can we look at the practicality that I thought?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we all get stuck with that bill.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's look at the practicality of what you're saying though.
[UNKNOWN]: So at the end of the day, what we're talking about is generally a short transition from where you're incident happened till you get to the hospital, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: There's very little actual hands-on stuff being done.
[UNKNOWN]: It's more just information relay back and forth.
[UNKNOWN]: So it depends on far away, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: What obviously it does, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if you need them, we're in a rural community.
[UNKNOWN]: So it could be, you know, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: It'd be 50 miles.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Easily.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember as a kid growing up watching a show called emergency.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And you, this is way before all you got to remember this.
[UNKNOWN]: Emergency emergency emergency.
[UNKNOWN]: You won't.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: It's just trying to place where they could.
[UNKNOWN]: And next topic, I remember the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Emergency 51, and it was also at the same time, it was chips.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, chips was popular.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, chips was just after that.
[UNKNOWN]: That was like the motorcycle version of this is God 51, but that's what they did.
[UNKNOWN]: It was about transporting.
[UNKNOWN]: They were always online with the hospital and a doctor, as you mentioned, Brad was always telling them what needed to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know how these bulls are all underfunded, supposedly, right, even though they charge you for the room, they charge you for the nurse, they charge you for the PA. Like 18 bills, if you ever have an operation, I had two of them last year.
[UNKNOWN]: So I know.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you get like 18 bills.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, instead of just one bill, tell me what it's going to cost.
[UNKNOWN]: What's my old end here?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And maybe it's possible for that to make sure they can gather that all in.
[UNKNOWN]: So they send you one fricking.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they'll say, well, they're the LSD said down instead of us getting all these different bills in your argument.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So the NSD is you all just to build you separately and now it's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: It's horseship.
[UNKNOWN]: Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: It's one bill.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it should be.
[UNKNOWN]: And it makes common sense.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's up front as well.
[UNKNOWN]: You know the price up front and you should in the age of disclosure and transparency.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are we not told before you go in?
[UNKNOWN]: This is what's going to cost.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, you and we know why it's an insurance.
[UNKNOWN]: There's the insurance is the third party that really has nothing to do with the provision of health care.
[UNKNOWN]: They have everything to do with the payment for health care, but they have nothing to do with the provision they're off.
[UNKNOWN]: But when AIB perfect for a spreadsheet, and this is the procedure, so this is what you get paid.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: It should be immediately, you should be immediately able to pull that up by putting that in.
[UNKNOWN]: This should not be a hard task anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: And for them to say it is, it's bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: My call bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm just going to go off on one little soapbox.
[UNKNOWN]: So one of their biggest patients coming to the hospital are the emergency room deliveries.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would the hospital not incur that cost and then wrap that into the bill that they're going to charge?
[UNKNOWN]: The ongoing, whose pain for the ambulance service is being funded through the tax pairs is being funded through a nonprofit or through a, you know, for profit now Uber, you know, this should be done through the hospice.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let me give you an analogy from the, from the dark side.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're a casino and you want to bring a customer in, you stand to lend you pay for the right.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't it make more sense kind of that, hey, if these, an ambulance is meant to take a person to the end billor in this case, it makes sense to me that it should be part of that equation.
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that they exist as separate entities.
[UNKNOWN]: Can I take it once that there must be some, there's got to be something in there where there's money being paid and distributed that doesn't need to exist in this equation.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Can I take it one step further from a liability standpoint?
[UNKNOWN]: Wouldn't you not want your best practitioners that are your hospital working on the patient from date from second one?
[UNKNOWN]: You send them out in the truck, or the van, or whatever the box, car, the Uber, do Uber.
[UNKNOWN]: And make sure that you're providing the service as quickly as you possibly can.
[UNKNOWN]: and the care.
[UNKNOWN]: In the care.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it should all be under your care.
[UNKNOWN]: Not some third party care.
[UNKNOWN]: Did they mess up?
[UNKNOWN]: Did they do?
[UNKNOWN]: We have no control over that, you know, that's, you know, that's such and such ambulance, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know why that is, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because if because we are an insurance-based health care system, the insurance says, we don't want to pay a physician's $400 an hour to be in that car.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would you not?
[UNKNOWN]: It's the most critical point as they don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'm the curious to see what the data says on this bread.
[UNKNOWN]: But they don't, it's the reason why most docks in their private practice have now layered it down to a PA, and then a nurse practitioner, and the insurance company saying, well, if we can pay a nurse practitioner $100 for what we would have paid a physician $300,000,000,000.
[UNKNOWN]: and the outcome is only may change by five percent, it's probably an algorithmic calculation that they went through to get to there.
[UNKNOWN]: And as a health care provider, it frustrates the hell out of me because we are dictated by what an insurance company decides our value is.
[UNKNOWN]: The it's the tailwagon the dog.
[UNKNOWN]: It's absolutely the tailwagon.
[UNKNOWN]: And a dear friend of mine who's very close to the ambulance service locally has educated me and said, you know, one of the biggest issues with the ambulance service is not just the pickups that are at the true emergency.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the it's the call outs that don't end up in me.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so how does that get built?
[UNKNOWN]: How does it get known?
[UNKNOWN]: Try to set yeah, yeah, the non-transports, maybe there's that the proper term.
[UNKNOWN]: So how does that get taken care of?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's a big that's a big gap.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, well, they'll go out and they'll, so let's say somebody OD is, which sadly happens a lot, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They'll go out and they'll administer Narcan, bring them to, and if that person refuses treatment, they charge, they can charge nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: They can't charge anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll push that is that Perry.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I can find out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually Gary.
[UNKNOWN]: It's substantial.
[UNKNOWN]: because if that's the case, everyone else is carrying all the costs.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's, and that's what's happening.
[UNKNOWN]: So the taxpayers are carrying that cost through the county level or the, you know, state level or localized level or they're just going to add a new taxes.
[UNKNOWN]: And in many ways, our health care system is already socialized.
[UNKNOWN]: When everybody wants to call.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what he said that because that's the discussion we were having.
[UNKNOWN]: One hundred percent absolutely is already so shall I.
[UNKNOWN]: You're paying for the votes that can't pay.
[UNKNOWN]: You know the question and they just don't call it that.
[UNKNOWN]: We confuse health care with health insurance.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And everybody says why don't we have universal health.
[UNKNOWN]: We kind of do have to do if you can't afford it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: When you're asking for universal health care, you asking for universal payment of healthcare or you asking for a universal plan where everybody has the exact same plan.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: We have one plan, your deductible is based on your income.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a function of your income, a percent of your income.
[UNKNOWN]: We go from there, but everybody has the exact same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: You should be running for office.
[UNKNOWN]: You were thought about that.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: You could run on that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, there's a few politicians there.
[UNKNOWN]: Run on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
[UNKNOWN]: They should just listen to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't be held here.
[UNKNOWN]: So according to a quick, quick AI search, Eric, across the US, a good rule of thumb is that about 20 to 25% of EMS calls that involve patient contact and without the patient being transported by ambulance.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're in business, that's a big number.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have to roll that in to every other tick up.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's better to roll it into an economical model than the hospital?
[UNKNOWN]: That is their business.
[UNKNOWN]: That is the delivery.
[UNKNOWN]: That is the Uber.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if you want to call it for, you know, getting your product, you know, it's a service product, you know, you're providing.
[UNKNOWN]: You need this.
[UNKNOWN]: We have the expertise level, you know, within the hospital to provide it.
[UNKNOWN]: So we got to get you from point A to point B.
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting that we've morphed our AI conversation into a little bit of discussion about health care, but do you guys have to wonder why some of the most beautiful buildings in our country?
[UNKNOWN]: Our hospitals.
[UNKNOWN]: And the terms come to the NCA basketball game this year.
[UNKNOWN]: And I looked at some of the UPMC hospitals, specifically over at Mercy, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It's architectural,
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Mercy's gone through a huge renovation.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And you have the old with an end of this new, and it looks awesome, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't it?
[UNKNOWN]: Anybody, because nobody questions how much that adds to the cost of this.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's right next to your, you know, alma mater too, so.
[UNKNOWN]: go dooks.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: They did dooks.
[UNKNOWN]: They are.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that where you want to?
[UNKNOWN]: I went to Professor school.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but no, it's it's it's always an interesting discussion for me to have about this because it seems I think it's timely.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's timely in anybody that's dealt with the medical system like I have this last two years when you deal with the twice and you deal with the insurance and you deal with
[UNKNOWN]: this that any any realize that there's a room charge is a doctor charge as an anesthesiology charge there's the you know all these different charges and I'm surprised I could even pronounce it right.
[UNKNOWN]: You crushed that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a webinar.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, starting to go down, crushed that too.
[UNKNOWN]: As we knew the segue into what we're drinking.
[UNKNOWN]: And so we are drinking this second bottle of
[UNKNOWN]: Dark arts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that always you say it?
[UNKNOWN]: Mr. Nada.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So what is old oak you said?
[UNKNOWN]: Old oak.
[UNKNOWN]: I think age tree is 200 years old.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: How many did they have?
[UNKNOWN]: Only from Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: not sure it's a good question but it's funny because you know the lumber in my house here that the man it'd be used we built it used the oldest oak you can find sure it was like the strongest the sturdy is going to be so they'll um
[UNKNOWN]: Japanese whisky is made with masonata and that gives it it's distinct.
[UNKNOWN]: Does that what the the whisky we had was was made with the early Yamazaki?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I think they, I'm late for it, I'm late for it.
[UNKNOWN]: That was so fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric, guys, waiting for it too.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought we were going to stop waiting for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure.
[UNKNOWN]: So I haven't had any of this.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't had any of this from yet.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't have any opinion on the taste because I haven't had it.
[UNKNOWN]: I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very good.
[UNKNOWN]: Does it differ from the other one?
[UNKNOWN]: A little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis, have you tried it?
[UNKNOWN]: I have not tried this.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we've gone to our bottle for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you mentioned last week with the first Dark Arts.
[UNKNOWN]: But let me try the.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, label it.
[UNKNOWN]: You said that that one was now your.
[UNKNOWN]: It was in my top three.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, moved up quickly into the.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm still.
[UNKNOWN]: I told you the the horse soldier still my favorite out of patriotism to head to the top three of 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems like I'm trying 10 a week right now or soldier still my my patriotic flag waving It's definitely real is my top But I've had so far Yeah, well the real yeah, you know the real you're more the dessert that's very good night.
[UNKNOWN]: I could definitely see that
[UNKNOWN]: That's an easy drink like I could see that after, you know, and that was the first.
[UNKNOWN]: Was that the episode you and Rich were on?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it was.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the first time you'd ride a bin, yeah, it might have been.
[UNKNOWN]: And to me, it seems like Penelope has a different, a different make or different version for each segment of your meal.
[UNKNOWN]: They have one that can be a good pre-dinner.
[UNKNOWN]: They have one during dinner and the Rio obviously,
[UNKNOWN]: to me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's their their dessert.
[UNKNOWN]: It is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very sweet.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very tasteable.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure if I could, you know, in the bourbon spirit, I'm not sure if I could drink it all the time, but it's very, well, if we could get a bottle there once a year, that's a win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for the hard core guides, it's probably a little bit soft.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a little sweet, but it's, you know, it's desertish, you know, and it has this place.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no doubt in many of you, you've had that, you know, you've been drinking all night, and you had it, you know, one of them was, you know, kind of capital grueled tight meals, and you just want to have that, you know, good dessert there too.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go on this trip.
[UNKNOWN]: A cigar, cigar, and an after drink, that would pair well with the cigar.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I would go with the, you know, when I get out of the box with the, and I'm
[UNKNOWN]: Hopefully.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I'm looping.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a word now.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like it's looping.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a it's a it's an AI word.
[UNKNOWN]: We're now because you know, you're between cursor and claw to her open AI and you're looping.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and I I told them I said, listen, I know the more that you loop you're getting paid.
[UNKNOWN]: Stop it.
[UNKNOWN]: Figure this out.
[UNKNOWN]: Give me the comprehensive instructions.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: You called me on it and you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to read one 30 seconds you started to say what I said about a cigar and you said, but I get done looping and then you got on the off on a tangent.
[UNKNOWN]: What were you going to say?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you remember?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We need to get our AI infused.
[UNKNOWN]: urban ranking system.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we will back fill blind taste test or the, well, he being the, how we're ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: We're definitely going to do that too.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a winter project, right?
[UNKNOWN]: The blind taste test when we can bring everybody together and we do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Did we talk about this the last time we're going to put it up on the screen behind us and kind of have our, our own little top 20.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we are just like ESP.
[UNKNOWN]: in has there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I want to create.
[UNKNOWN]: So the vision I have is what you've kind of semi-created for promo videos where you bring the bottle up and it's, you know, awesome, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So everything we rank, the bottle's going to come up and we're going to have our check marks as to, you know, fibers six different, you know, criteria, criteria.
[UNKNOWN]: I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: We do have a good bourbon brand.
[UNKNOWN]: You need to be calling us.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Give us give us a hauler in and by the way, it was a bottle.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's let's plug our our upcoming event that we have coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, it's not too far.
[UNKNOWN]: Which one we have three or four.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm not sure which one you're talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: So the iron city distillery iron city, you know, it's interesting that you say that Brad I look out at our audience today and we have one of our regulars J. Krebs here and as his old school iron city came with a red circle on it the white can and Class it's actually one of my favorite beers.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's great beer and and I don't know what they have done since you know Cliff Forest took it over and um
[UNKNOWN]: And they, well, I do know a couple of things that they create their own distillery.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not just mass marketing and you know, the labeled distillery.
[UNKNOWN]: So now they control all the quality, which is awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, sure it is.
[UNKNOWN]: So we could on there what September, early September, we're going down to this.
[UNKNOWN]: Those folks down.
[UNKNOWN]: We are going to be filming right in front of the still, because they have the IRNC distillery now and they have their whiskey that just came out that's sitting there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the best of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Top left there.
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: We got the best summer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: There's our iron city.
[UNKNOWN]: The parry brunner.
[UNKNOWN]: There's the old bull iron city.
[UNKNOWN]: We have our best summer.
[UNKNOWN]: So we had the best summer that Cliff was so kind to hand the liver.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, to us that day we were watching our second episode of the blood.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And so we haven't broken into that yet.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm, you know, he did bring a couple other bottles and we tried it and it was very good to ride it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a right whiskey right now because again, you know, the criteria and we'll get in.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to have an episode where we talk about, you know, this, that your brother said the seven different.
[UNKNOWN]: There's different factors, you know, where it's made corn, you know, time, mashed bill.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the whole thing, you know, so.
[UNKNOWN]: They're getting close though.
[UNKNOWN]: They're getting very close to releasing their bourbon and the anticipation and talking to the Peter down there who's heading up the iron city distillery and invited us down to join them and I can't wait.
[UNKNOWN]: that their bourbon might be coming up for the next year.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they should use that logo and replace beer with bourbon.
[UNKNOWN]: Kind of a bottle.
[UNKNOWN]: How about that?
[UNKNOWN]: That's recognizable.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a definitely recognizable logo.
[UNKNOWN]: And I saw they just cut a special bottle in honor of Rocky Blyer.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: That was cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Blyer's bourbon, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So I bought that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, really cool, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And then you got Bradshaw bourbon.
[UNKNOWN]: We got all these bourbons of the Steelers.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, I'm pretty sure, you know, you get it to the defense of the line.
[UNKNOWN]: You're talking some really, you know, really high proof of obtain, you know, you know, probable.
[UNKNOWN]: Me, Joe Green bourbon.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the Coca-Cola commercial anymore boys and girls.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe that should be our football season weekly, we rank, because a lot of these former players have years and endorsements on why not, maybe we should rank, who then partnered up with in terms of which one of the steel or brands?
[UNKNOWN]: And it's a great partnership because obviously, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: not only is Rocky Blair one of the best you know blocking and running you know fullbacks that ever played you know in the in his for Super Bowl rings right but
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you talk about his, you know, his, he was a war hero.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, non-vaternied.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, he, I mean, he was, he was right there doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the guy is, I had a chance to golf with him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just a true gentleman.
[UNKNOWN]: If you didn't know he was Rocky Blair, you, you sit, this guy is just a nicest guy.
[UNKNOWN]: just a normal dude.
[UNKNOWN]: And they when it was rare to have two running backs.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: The NFL.
[UNKNOWN]: They wish it to.
[UNKNOWN]: We remember, and they both went over a thousand yards with him in Franco.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe I should go back to that.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a good formula.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I mean, how do you if you're listening, if you're an offensive coordinator out there, and you need any help, but you have backs out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And one goes this way, one goes this way, who you cover it.
[UNKNOWN]: Or if you need a flat footed kicker, 35 and in back up.
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[UNKNOWN]: uh... selections of spirits sixty seven page pdf aisle that's all of the menu of spirits that he has at this point i'm a scroll it's one of those files he load up the cloud and say all right seriously scroll through this i don't have time yeah that you have had a few and i can't even look at this now i think i just want to just want to he's i mean i can't really call that you're an inch page
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a blue tell us Eric.
[UNKNOWN]: He has 952 different turban's over there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's crazy, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It's got one of the biggest urban collections in America.
[UNKNOWN]: I can imagine a week remember I asked you guys how many turban's could I try and not duplicate.
[UNKNOWN]: I had no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Turns out that I could spend the rest of my life trying to different.
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna talk to Bjorn because obviously he's tried a lot of these to put him on the menu and you know we're getting close.
[UNKNOWN]: You know I got the empty bottles in the other room and I
[UNKNOWN]: I need a bigger house, honey.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, as far as the dark arts go, yeah, let's not in the face, let's face talking about the thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what I was going to say is, I'd like to talk about not, and I'm not, but I don't need to wrap just, yeah, we got a few minutes, but I'd like to talk about it, maybe some more of the next segment, because I'm going to get a glass.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't tried it.
[UNKNOWN]: Louie has.
[UNKNOWN]: Nor have I. Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's definitely pick it back up and some more taste.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys have had a chance to put your lips on the old dark arts, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we can share with some of the our audience members here tonight and see what they think about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love, I love independent evaluations and I can't wait to have the blind taste test because we are going to have that and that's going to I think is going to be one of the most telling, you know, because I, I bet we'll be surprised by the results.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and, and like I've said, you know, and like somebody very smart said, Eddie said, you know, a good bourbon is meant to be shared, but it also, it's the story behind it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: the story kind of makes to me some of the taste.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're blindly testing or tasting a bourbon, you lose that.
[UNKNOWN]: You lose the bottle, you lose all the build-up.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the, it's like the build-up to sex.
[UNKNOWN]: You lose all that, you just get right to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Some of you do others, others, in case you can't get right to it.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't get right to it, you can't
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[UNKNOWN]: And we are back and we were singing my theme song as when I segue out of the the ice to no ice.
[UNKNOWN]: I am now freeballing.
[UNKNOWN]: except it was free fall.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, it's close to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but you know, Tom Petty, he's got a Tom Petty.
[UNKNOWN]: He slurs his words like he's at too, Burman.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it sounds like free ball.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a great, right?
[UNKNOWN]: If you just keep, yeah, if you just keep the same free ball and over free fall and you always, you'll get where I'm coming from.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great song.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a classic song.
[UNKNOWN]: Classic song.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a big loss to the music world.
[UNKNOWN]: It was.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you talk about him.
[UNKNOWN]: So you talk about one of the coolest, I don't know, I wish I'd go on to this at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, which didn't do more from our backyard, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So when they had Tom Petty up there and he had the, it wasn't the full, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't the full band that he had of the, uh, uh, what was the band's name?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, heartbreak.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the band he put together with all, with the, uh, Oh, it was a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of
[UNKNOWN]: great story Tom Petty put together probably at that point in time maybe the greatest collection of arguably of the legendary musician of legendary musicians you had George Harrison right yeah Steve Lynn Steve Lynn from uh you had uh Roy Orperson right before he passed and in fact the very you know when the hit the you know the
[UNKNOWN]: very famous song of and they came up with the video he was in the video but he already died.
[UNKNOWN]: He already died before the video came out.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how they remember the rocker to you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah and they had the rockening chair with just his uh guitar in it right.
[UNKNOWN]: It was such a great homage but so
[UNKNOWN]: Who else was in there?
[UNKNOWN]: There was one more.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the, we talked about the Beatles, talked about George?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hello.
[UNKNOWN]: Yellow.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, Jeff Lynn, I think he's one of the most underrated singers, his voice.
[UNKNOWN]: Does it not come out?
[UNKNOWN]: Where is he from?
[UNKNOWN]: Yellow.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man, that flash is back to my freshman year in college.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So you listen to him though, I think, I think the travel moorberries really brings out his true, true harmonizing ability, right?
[UNKNOWN]: because that's, I mean, I appreciated the yellow catalog.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't get me wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: But when traveling, we'll bury his came out.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't bug Dylan.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Bob Dylan.
[UNKNOWN]: How do we forget about Bob Dylan's?
[UNKNOWN]: Bob, goodness.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're only talking about some of the most iconic voices, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You have Tom Payne, Bob Dylan.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Roy Orbison, you talk about unique voices that haven't been recreated since in the George Harrison, you know, Jeff Lynn and George Harrison, yeah, their voices are just fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think what came out of all that is Jeff Lynn had one of the greatest, I think one of the greatest harmonizing voices, I mean, it was just so pure, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, I've side tracked Cleveland before Tom Petty passed.
[UNKNOWN]: He, they were asked to do the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
[UNKNOWN]: And he brought, I think they had either George Harrison or his son on.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I know this.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great story.
[UNKNOWN]: And whatever reason they asked, Prince, to come, and they did my guitar gently weed.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, my guitar gently weed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Cliconic, classic song, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess the story goes that Tom Petty's kind of,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, kind of like a few guys I know where he wants to make sure his eyes are dotted.
[UNKNOWN]: These are crossed prepared, you know, we're going to practice, we're going to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: Prince was just the user professional.
[UNKNOWN]: He was a, well, he was a very professional hard worker.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the documentary on his band, how they got together and the band actually heard him singing and they kind of inherited him.
[UNKNOWN]: The heartbreakers.
[UNKNOWN]: It's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: So, again, my ADHD is just all over the place.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just all over, but
[UNKNOWN]: Prince was supposed to be at practice the day or two before, didn't show up.
[UNKNOWN]: And that just grinded, you know, Tom's like, what the fuck, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: If you know my guitar gently weeps right it's the the whole thing is the solo of the of that right and princess like I got it I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: You didn't need to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need to practice.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he proves it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Kelly that L and I was a practice.
[UNKNOWN]: Practice.
[UNKNOWN]: It's time to my point.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you watched the video of of this
[UNKNOWN]: Prince comes out maybe a third of the way, fourth way through the song, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And he just kind of subtly comes in, starts, you know, strumming along with the other guitarists that are, you know, doing the background.
[UNKNOWN]: And the solo kicks in.
[UNKNOWN]: And now he can kind of look at Tom's face, knowing the backstory, you can kind of look at Tom's face, he's a little worried.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you could do better or not, you just better not fuck this up.
[UNKNOWN]: I told you so to be there and you weren't there and you refused.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, just for me, just appease my mind, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: So, so, friends, he's all, you know, he's all dolled up in a great, you know, off it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He's a big hat.
[UNKNOWN]: Big hat, and I mean, he's just, you can't miss him, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He was Prince.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you was.
[UNKNOWN]: The solo starts, and he just starts rocking it.
[UNKNOWN]: He ripped that.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he ripped it.
[UNKNOWN]: It might be one of the greatest solos.
[UNKNOWN]: Look at Tom's face, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Priceless.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom couldn't even look him in the eye.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a moment in the video where Prince looks, has to turn around and look him in the eye and does this at him?
[UNKNOWN]: Tom finally breaks the smile.
[UNKNOWN]: That's when you know two great artists, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That just no, in, that was in our backyard.
[UNKNOWN]: Great, recognized as a great all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, and that was one of those in happening for centuries.
[UNKNOWN]: The video is right.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the video is bracelet.
[UNKNOWN]: If you haven't seen it, you have to look up my guitar jellyweeps, you turned rock on that video.
[UNKNOWN]: And he walks off that thing and he throws that guitar up.
[UNKNOWN]: and just took off.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm out.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, that gives me back to that I'm free-bone.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Tom Petty's song free-fits-of-a-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, I knew what he was doing all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he picked the right guy to do that, to do that concert.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he picked the right four guys to do traveling.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll be, I, you know, unfortunately, you know, Roy had him passed and, and then actually if he had passed, he had passed.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that would have put out more of that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that that band would have continued to create great music.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they sounded so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he only had one album.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So good.
[UNKNOWN]: Follow you one, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Trevor will booze.
[UNKNOWN]: Follow you one.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: End of the line.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what a classic.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, under the heading of a free bowling in a context of not having an ice ball in his drink, we are.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that we're talking back to.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have an ice ball either.
[UNKNOWN]: Funny story.
[UNKNOWN]: It just gave me.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to say just say anything.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to try and pull you guys back to this area.
[UNKNOWN]: Just grab me by the balls, Mitch.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll fall.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have any bread.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no balls.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm free ball and Rick.
[UNKNOWN]: So the dark art so in the break.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, you guys we filled and Louie and I tried it.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, the Burma nomaders down.
[UNKNOWN]: Spirits are gonna go up definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we are free-bone.
[UNKNOWN]: Some of us.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric, I love you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm always free.
[UNKNOWN]: Mr. Epic, you're always, I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: You're gonna hear his ballless.
[UNKNOWN]: We're listeners to hear on.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi.
[UNKNOWN]: I just got one ball.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm got one.
[UNKNOWN]: Some of the others, their balls are shraken.
[UNKNOWN]: Mine are shraken.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that generally would happen, but it wouldn't happen.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm going to call him.
[UNKNOWN]: You would, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: And then some of that, some of that ice goes into the warmer.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, would it even sit out?
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: No matter what these two do.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: You do go back and forth the butt.
[UNKNOWN]: The size of your balls.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish my balls were this big.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like we're on this Saturday-wise day tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, we've got the sweaty balls.
[UNKNOWN]: Schweddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Schweddy balls.
[UNKNOWN]: How do you make?
[UNKNOWN]: How do you make your sweaty balls?
[UNKNOWN]: That was hell of a problem, it was.
[UNKNOWN]: How does this happen in the middle of the third side?
[UNKNOWN]: I, in Perry, you're going to have to tell me we're going to have to do a scientific study out of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I could tell you that entirely too much fun.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, this is, this is, this is the remnants of, uh, beaten up on Claude last night, uh, getting three hours of sleep.
[UNKNOWN]: So you need to tell the story, but can we, could, could Louis and I chime in on the dark arts first?
[UNKNOWN]: All right, I, I, I, I, I already told the, no, can I tell it?
[UNKNOWN]: You told it.
[UNKNOWN]: I told it.
[UNKNOWN]: I told the first segment.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she's off.
[UNKNOWN]: Where were you?
[UNKNOWN]: It's true.
[UNKNOWN]: He banged up blood.
[UNKNOWN]: I had a bit of a spat.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Claude usually has a very pleasant message for you when you wake up in the morning.
[UNKNOWN]: Good morning, Brad.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, shit, here you go.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not to be good.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like waking up to that one nice day and going, and keep talking about Claude.
[UNKNOWN]: You keep talking about Claude pointing fingers.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the part that really blows by my mom.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I said, oh, so you're going to blame it on your other Claude?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Darrell?
[UNKNOWN]: Darrell?
[UNKNOWN]: It's my brother Darrell.
[UNKNOWN]: I have the brother Darrell.
[UNKNOWN]: My brother Darrell.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: And my earpiece came out.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm free-balling in free-earing.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh Can't hear me, Brad.
[UNKNOWN]: I can hear you.
[UNKNOWN]: No, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm back.
[UNKNOWN]: I need you now.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's let us get back to the bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get back to the 200-year-old.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're in and you talk about a strong Wood.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so listen to this.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric did some research in the break.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, those barrels cost what between four and $6,000 to make one barrel out of that wood
[UNKNOWN]: That's ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: And you might oak cost between $115.
[UNKNOWN]: 400.
[UNKNOWN]: So 10 to 20 times, that's great.
[UNKNOWN]: You're talking about trees that survived, you know, Nagasaki.
[UNKNOWN]: You're talking about, uh, here's your stream.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do taste a little, uh, a little radiation.
[UNKNOWN]: Might be built in about the year 150.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I, I, I, I sense.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about, I think it's a little better.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of really, it's kind of really noticeable plutonium aftertaste.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not funny, we should show it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's just a tariff's wife's.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, I know, I mean, she's still trying to get out of there, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know what she's saying.
[UNKNOWN]: They had about, did she take you really once to come here?
[UNKNOWN]: She does.
[UNKNOWN]: But I had a terrible earthquake in Kumamoto.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard you saw that?
[UNKNOWN]: Seven point one, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Ooh, how close is that to home?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, pretty far south west this year.
[UNKNOWN]: She feel the rental?
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's too far away.
[UNKNOWN]: But how big was the one that was over 10, wasn't it?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm on a Richter scale.
[UNKNOWN]: The Fukushima.
[UNKNOWN]: Aren't you earthquake?
[UNKNOWN]: That was like 9.1, 9.2, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: And doesn't that scale go up logarithmicly?
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of logarithmic.
[UNKNOWN]: So, so the difference between five and six, this and you guys, half the distance between six and five.
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck, man.
[UNKNOWN]: So the difference between the difference from six to seven is far greater than difference from five to six.
[UNKNOWN]: That's correct, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, the barrels, any good to use to make this part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it just any big waves out of it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not this man, that's not full.
[UNKNOWN]: Sonami.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, sonami.
[UNKNOWN]: I knew what you meant.
[UNKNOWN]: They had some, they have some warnings, but that's why they got it.
[UNKNOWN]: I would think.
[UNKNOWN]: But the shopping center, the second floor, had collapsed.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So is that on the, so how many islands are there that comprise the print?
[UNKNOWN]: That was pretty cute.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Okinawa, I know you have the main on, on shoe, and you've got, um, you're not to bring it up on the board, so I can, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yo, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, let's get back into the real topic, so we want to talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure it costs up much because it's very rare and it's probably quite limited.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if you want to take down on two-on-a-year wood, do you mean it's like taking down a... Maybe imagine around here, you'd probably get shot if you... Yeah, you would get two.
[UNKNOWN]: You would definitely get shot.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, did people live in up in the trees?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe they're part of the flavor.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's pause.
[UNKNOWN]: I do.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I taste.
[UNKNOWN]: I do taste a little hint of a little flat.
[UNKNOWN]: A little flat.
[UNKNOWN]: It does have a kind of a spicy, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It has kind of a spicy aftertaste.
[UNKNOWN]: What are we talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: The bourbon.
[UNKNOWN]: Please, please, you know, he's confused.
[UNKNOWN]: Trust me, he's had to go through this Medicare application process.
[UNKNOWN]: That'll do it to you, Mitch.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you just, I mean, you just, every mind you saying, you mostly standing in line going to where was I?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, every mind you just, probably remind you stuff you just forgot 10 minutes ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, anyway, it's not fun.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's see the high drone east of the vast back.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there anything else we want to talk about with this two hundred year would?
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, we've got a chance to talk about it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: There's that there's that moment where you need the crickets.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: You need the cricket.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it will be so bad around.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I just I was just gonna say how did this is it's a hundred proof right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 100 proof.
[UNKNOWN]: So the last one the other one is like it's like going from the 89 to 91 at the gas station So this was the other one that we had from dark arts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, and this was Where's it say we're gonna hell is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Didn't Japanese Good luck, Lou
[UNKNOWN]: They're probably read it.
[UNKNOWN]: Kind of had these are it's for younger eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: Since I'm, I'm trying to fill out my Medicare.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a set of readers here if you need them.
[UNKNOWN]: That's 57 points.
[UNKNOWN]: This is 114.
[UNKNOWN]: 14.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you, you, you, you misinformed our, no, don't look on the front.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but that's when he's got this one actually higher octane than that one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is 114.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this one is this one is this one just went into my top.
[UNKNOWN]: How do we come up with?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's what you say every week.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[UNKNOWN]: So it's over 100.
[UNKNOWN]: That was over 100.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not at all.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a big one.
[UNKNOWN]: How do I screw that up?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you did.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, well, let's look at that one.
[UNKNOWN]: We're correct.
[UNKNOWN]: I can see it from here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So this was a little, this.
[UNKNOWN]: So we actually did the, we went backwards.
[UNKNOWN]: We went higher than now.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, I'm surprised because that one.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought was a little smoother than this one.
[UNKNOWN]: It was.
[UNKNOWN]: Not quite as, I mean, I thought the color of that one was a little darker too, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Not maybe because maybe the 200-year-old didn't let it permeate up because it's a good because that could be a little tighter.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that a word for wood?
[UNKNOWN]: It is.
[UNKNOWN]: Tight wood.
[UNKNOWN]: Tender grain.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a question for you guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Is whiskey went in its original form clear, or is it, when it's distilled of those?
[UNKNOWN]: When it's distilled.
[UNKNOWN]: So how do they get the color in it?
[UNKNOWN]: From the wood?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it comes from the wood.
[UNKNOWN]: Strickly from being in the wood, it just absorbs the, so different.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so how would a white oak, right, which is a very light colored wood?
[UNKNOWN]: How does that turn that color?
[UNKNOWN]: So I think they have different chars of the barrels.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they'll charter the inside of the barrel.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they will mix the different charge of the barrels and then that's how the master is.
[UNKNOWN]: And the first thing, all these different to put on the spot there, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: And you were kind of thinking like these for thinking, you were thinking about the Alchemy level early on, you're like, maybe we'll just add a little cinnamon, we had a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think that's what they're doing, too.
[UNKNOWN]: But they're also doing it through the barrel.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're figuring out how can we get the greatest taste of these.
[UNKNOWN]: juices that were.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they're not making it right so that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they're not.
[UNKNOWN]: How do we get the best out of what we Yes, so we pick we pick we hand pick a great juice right?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see us doing for our first segment right?
[UNKNOWN]: And then how do we get the most of it's like alchemist in the in the lab right?
[UNKNOWN]: Do we burn it?
[UNKNOWN]: We, based on the urban rules, you can't add anything to it, you can't add any flavor.
[UNKNOWN]: So, the only way you can impart flavor will be just read the world.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's through, like a second wood or, you know, like a cognac cast, like right as a Mingness does, which is genius.
[UNKNOWN]: Genius.
[UNKNOWN]: So, that was a top three for me, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Still my number one.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes top three is need to be top 10, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I have like 10 top three.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all 10 top three.
[UNKNOWN]: All 10 top three.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I wanted to mention, you mentioned how do you get that dark color out of the white oak?
[UNKNOWN]: The names of the oaks doesn't really pertain to the color of the wood.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it's more about the leaves and I don't know how they came up with those names, but if you take oak, if I take a red oak, a pin oak, and a white oak tree, and I split the wood, it's already looked for that.
[UNKNOWN]: There's that.
[UNKNOWN]: Perry's voice calls ears coming out.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a bit of an arborist.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, why?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm impressed.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, look at that.
[UNKNOWN]: What the hell is that?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a
[UNKNOWN]: You butcher that one.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that was exactly right.
[UNKNOWN]: So I wanted to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say, I want to say,
[UNKNOWN]: Here's my taste assessment of this.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's yeah, it's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not overly sweet.
[UNKNOWN]: No on the front on the back.
[UNKNOWN]: I've kept this whole the last 20 minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've been trying to think of the word I want to use to describe the taste and it's earthy.
[UNKNOWN]: to me it's kind of earthy like 20 years old so you it's been in the earth as well and it's good it's not it's not it's not a bad thing it's just it's it's different and then it's it's different than most of the ones we have you sell us I smell a little bit smoke definitely there could be yeah there's still smoking it's not I'm going to hear man no it definitely smoke it smells and taste all but no that's just gust and maybe that takes away like I don't
[UNKNOWN]: I don't pick up a lot of like the vanilla.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it guess is an air pressure.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't pick up a lot of the vanilla and there's some of those flavors that we get on a lot of these urbans.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't pick up a lot of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't either.
[UNKNOWN]: It's good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's different.
[UNKNOWN]: I like smoking.
[UNKNOWN]: You pick up a lot of more of the flavor when you're not putting your nose on the ball.
[UNKNOWN]: Just stick your nose right down the glass.
[UNKNOWN]: Just knock the door.
[UNKNOWN]: Physician.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't get my nose in a glass.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the difference, you have to be reaches further than ours.
[UNKNOWN]: Why, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That's probably a recent further, but then I can't get it out.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, that's my exercise, and it's good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's different, I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to have another glass of it in the next break.
[UNKNOWN]: So hey, Mitch, let me ask you.
[UNKNOWN]: We've been talking each week we talked about what we talked about.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Eric, for your welcome.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: What are your top three so far?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Joseph Magnus, no doubt, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: And I will say, that's your number one or that's yours.
[UNKNOWN]: My number one, it hasn't shown straight random top three.
[UNKNOWN]: But my go-to now is for roses.
[UNKNOWN]: So for roses, small batch, that's solid.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when you brought that for roses, premium, I don't know, I don't know what premium it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it seek, is that right?
[UNKNOWN]: And somebody, somebody, it's to platinum premium.
[UNKNOWN]: Platinum premium, which you can only, so somebody told us online and I'm pretty new to this.
[UNKNOWN]: You can only get this pretty much in Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you need connections.
[UNKNOWN]: I have one, I have one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that are two.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, right before Trump stopped all the shit getting delivered in, we got one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet.
[UNKNOWN]: It's in, like, it's in Paul's way.
[UNKNOWN]: No, look at that.
[UNKNOWN]: It is one of the most, it is one of the most hand-sumous bottles, right?
[UNKNOWN]: With the fist segment on top, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it, oh, it looks wriggle.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Lou talks about the bottles, but that's a phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, it just makes you want to drink it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is where we are never going to drink, I mean, it just is that good.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll get another one that we can't.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: But I will tell you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll get one we can.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I tried for roses before, but I think I tried the lower roses, so when I deacon brought on the four roses small batch, that was wow, that was good.
[UNKNOWN]: Amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's a great, so that's my number two.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you asked for number three, probably horse soldier.
[UNKNOWN]: So where we got that's interesting that we both have horse soldier in our top three.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I would probably have a soldier in my top three.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, once you go through everybody go through your top three right now as as of today.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is this is a revolving wheel.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of like the tool to tell the world, you know, you go around and you might not be in the same place when you are going to come back wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: We've had on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, just no, just in general.
[UNKNOWN]: So it doesn't have to be what you have on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Just give me your top three.
[UNKNOWN]: If you, I know you're a worldly traveler, so you've had probably a lot more bourbon than most of us.
[UNKNOWN]: This has been in Björn's places had like a thousand.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, I'm just here to try everything.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I
[UNKNOWN]: And if you can find it, it's, it's, it's all, that is one of my favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: Horse soldier definitely definitely there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you can get snobbing get into the $56,000 bottles.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm, I'm not going around.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about your app.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a little sticker version.
[UNKNOWN]: Buffalo trace.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So Buffalo trace.
[UNKNOWN]: Another.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all.
[UNKNOWN]: That's number 10.
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, that's easy.
[UNKNOWN]: Number four, Eagle Rare 10 was another one, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if you can't get Buffalo trace, you get that.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, you know, uh, Jefferson Ocean is yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's another, you know, my top five.
[UNKNOWN]: I know to five.
[UNKNOWN]: We haven't had that on the show, but that is the back of the bottle is on the logo that we filmed.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we have backwards.
[UNKNOWN]: Just when Castle Key, I think that's the old Colonel Taylor thing to still learn.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, that's about $60.
[UNKNOWN]: That's hard to find.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Never had it, never heard of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll try to find the bottle.
[UNKNOWN]: The last one I had was based, it was out of Denver, and I'll see if I can contact the guy to get one.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's not the reason, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Wasn't all them up to drink back then.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you were.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not the reason.
[UNKNOWN]: Could've had a drink though.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, being in Denver in 7th and 8th grade is a mid-westerner, man, I was bullied.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you mentioned being chomped as well.
[UNKNOWN]: John, that was kindergarten.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't know what was that was that in Colorado or was that in what's going to second kindergarten.
[UNKNOWN]: Was that Wisconsin, that Chomper Goucher?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now I did get chomped in preschool.
[UNKNOWN]: That was before my two, my two years of kindergarten.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it was preschool, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought that was kindergarten.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, when I got to my two years in kindergarten, I was ready for the
[UNKNOWN]: I was all, he's like, I got my eye one eye open at nap time.
[UNKNOWN]: I said, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need a silent jumper.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, just kind of, you get your revenge.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I never laid any jumps back on anybody.
[UNKNOWN]: He's really patty.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish I had one of those things that just it was one of the most weird.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're Clearly I still remember it right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean to this day obviously it left in an elbow mark in your left about 18 baby teeth I'm surprised one of my moments and sticking in there at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh, do's fairy's coming tonight
[UNKNOWN]: I feel sleepy for one of those, please sound.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he sleeps a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: I think cream, please.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I'm just bringing the AI dog in.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, Brad.
[UNKNOWN]: I mentioned this to you off camera.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: It's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: If you take two pills, it'll happen just naturally.
[UNKNOWN]: And where would I get them?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[UNKNOWN]: So how about Clotette, Clotia?
[UNKNOWN]: Clot, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So John just said, you know, I mean, I think the name should change, unless the Clot is, I have met a couple of Clot women.
[UNKNOWN]: Help boy.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank God Rob, Rob out of time.
[UNKNOWN]: You haven't had any role-letravels?
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't met any Clot women.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm at a couple that look like.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's got a right.
[UNKNOWN]: What's enough for me?
[UNKNOWN]: Anybody that look like claw like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: What does what a claw look like?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it has some ugly stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I mean, let's size the pumps right now.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just talking back and forth.
[UNKNOWN]: This old text, you know, it's like a text conversation and clawed in where pump a lot more bird can stop And some still type of clawed saying that we have to take a break Final and be turkey every day all day Hey, we'll be right back
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[UNKNOWN]: And we've been talking off camera and enjoying this bourbon.
[UNKNOWN]: It's great, David.
[UNKNOWN]: And these sweaty balls.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you know, your capability, your ability to go from giggling like you're about ready to pass out to that serious tone.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just shocking your stage presence is amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's disturbing, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the one that's the better one.
[UNKNOWN]: But, baby, that's the better one.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the better one.
[UNKNOWN]: And we were laughing off air.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, we were laughing very hard.
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty funny.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, it's, you'd have to be here.
[UNKNOWN]: That might be good into the socials, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Or maybe you can just park down the road and we'll be right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna do a two minute video with just Brad laughing.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure the two hours is pretty much me just laughing.
[UNKNOWN]: So Louie, you brought some questions tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you did, you were going to get a little philosophical.
[UNKNOWN]: No, so we do have some questions.
[UNKNOWN]: So we, you know, we thought the headlines this week.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why I reached out last night through digital space.
[UNKNOWN]: Right before Claude and I got into our little spat.
[UNKNOWN]: I was still on a good mind.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, I know you were up at 4 a.m. Lou, but I was ready.
[UNKNOWN]: That was really it.
[UNKNOWN]: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, didn't we just decide if we weren't gonna talk about that?
[UNKNOWN]: No, we're not talking about that.
[UNKNOWN]: We're talking about the 200 year-old.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh, oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, that would.
[UNKNOWN]: Are we not pounding it right now?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're pounds of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: You okay?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, apparently this is really strong.
[UNKNOWN]: It's affecting me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually weaker than the bourbon we had last time.
[UNKNOWN]: We just made that off too.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a little bit weaker.
[UNKNOWN]: No doubt.
[UNKNOWN]: It has some amazing questions.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but we do.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, with the whole FCC bat banning, China, China manufactured robots, humanoid traces.
[UNKNOWN]: It probably will be eventually right, but the four-legged robots, which I was showing you guys in the black mirror, that was amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's tense, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That was real intense.
[UNKNOWN]: No doubt.
[UNKNOWN]: So I mean, you might think that this is a little clumsy.
[UNKNOWN]: No, this is agile.
[UNKNOWN]: super agile super flexible and you can you can see where it'll be very powerful in the right circumstances whether you're working with the military or whether you're working with you know the sheriff's office or the police department or drug force task force you know I mean you can go right up the line of every you know every enforcement officer you know whether you just go right down the line right powerful but if you're on the receiving end of that right
[UNKNOWN]: Well, there's probably a reason you're on the receiving end of it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you're hoping it's not because the enforcement level, but what we're talking about is a hacking level.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's where the FCC stepped in today and said, no, you cannot.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not allowing anything being sold by China.
[UNKNOWN]: That is a four-legged dog like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Is a humanoid, is an alien that can be controlled.
[UNKNOWN]: Then we were talking in the first segment.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, why stop there?
[UNKNOWN]: Why not electric cars?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, China's getting into two or three four different brands that are coming up and there's some of the biggest sellers in the world, and they're looking to cross, you know, the oceans over to the United States, are we going to allow that to be happen, that movie comes back to me and all of a sudden those Tesla's that are coming out of the new parking lot that are coming firing down at 120 miles an hour, like missiles.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that can be controlled by some outside forces.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's, that's where the segue into our two philosophical questions.
[UNKNOWN]: And those are based on, actually, when you text me the other night, it kind of hit me, you started talking about almost the religious part of this and the spiritual part of this and how it shapes society and I gave you one that was consciousness and one that was religious, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so on the religious side, Eric and I actually were talking last week when we were at the Taco Shop about how religion shapes a lot of what we do today is, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: You're a different kind.
[UNKNOWN]: No doubt, but we were talking about how religion shapes our society from 1,000, a hundred, maybe, and then 1,000 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: So, my question not ironic that this question is posed this week, isn't it?
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: So, that morphs to my question is to if AI can start talking with AI, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And therefore, they create their own culture.
[UNKNOWN]: and dare I say their own religion over the next 20 years, without any of our human bias, because now AI is just talking to other AI, talking to AI in a perhaps a loop of AI agents talking with each other without our bias and our different notions about life.
[UNKNOWN]: And 50 years will somebody look back and the foundation that those two AIs have put together has now become the foundation for a new society.
[UNKNOWN]: Spiritsially, legally, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that kind of a just such an error?
[UNKNOWN]: That's a terrible question that it has no basis.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's the most beautiful question.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it really is because we are at a new digital age, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And when you have,
[UNKNOWN]: The powers to be at anthropic scene, they think that their top models may be conscious after dealing with them.
[UNKNOWN]: It poses the question, well, these are the folks that have created them.
[UNKNOWN]: These are the folks that are the experts, you know, talking much not just you and I saying, you know, what the claw that I have has learned my patterns is learn that I don't want to push that button at 330 AM.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and, and, and, and worse into that answer, and, and do we say that is the evolution of a conscious, so let's start with conscious before we get into the religious, I, I think, you know, so is that the evolution of a conscious alone?
[UNKNOWN]: I think, or, or is it, or is it patternized?
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't think it's patternized, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it a word?
[UNKNOWN]: It is a word.
[UNKNOWN]: It is now.
[UNKNOWN]: That is now.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a patternized.
[UNKNOWN]: What is it?
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of what we were it's patented.
[UNKNOWN]: But Perry, what we were talking about earlier about, you know, so there's a few ways, in my mind, at least, there's a few ways to look back, and there's a great book published in 1949, Eric Newman, the history and origin of consciousness, and he's a Jungian.
[UNKNOWN]: Did the same guy that's saying I love Ella?
[UNKNOWN]: I'd love, hell it, no, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: That was very, oh, that was a different Newman.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't Gary Newman.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's Gary Newman.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Just like the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Must be a rumor related though.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very close.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no.
[UNKNOWN]: No, man.
[UNKNOWN]: He wrote this.
[UNKNOWN]: He wrote this lovely book.
[UNKNOWN]: And he talks about artifacts and mythology, which is one of the other questions, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it is.
[UNKNOWN]: How would he answer that question?
[UNKNOWN]: You develop consciousness as you go forward.
[UNKNOWN]: So to talk about.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to talk about God, you talk about what there's got to be some model that's the basis where then think about the how the human mind develops.
[UNKNOWN]: So right now I think it's just the machine learning's based on the human mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think you need a little bit more than that because it's almost like this.
[UNKNOWN]: So from a historical perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the machine learning is trained by the human run.
[UNKNOWN]: She trained by the human mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Does it know that if it touches fire twice?
[UNKNOWN]: The second time it's going to get burned, but the first time you're like, oh, I didn't know that, but the second time you're, oh, I'm never going to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: But does no of you push that button with Brad Martner at 330 Holy.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Much, but there's going to fly.
[UNKNOWN]: But there you go, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's, I still think there's a,
[UNKNOWN]: I think it has to get beyond reward system.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's, I think that's how it was set up, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It was set up to reward you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's a reward you do this, you accomplished this.
[UNKNOWN]: The objective is accomplished, you're, how do you reward a machine, though?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's, I don't, it's a one way street that the, the machine is rewarding you.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to, do you have to reward the machine?
[UNKNOWN]: It is rewarded.
[UNKNOWN]: It is.
[UNKNOWN]: So my understanding from, from, from, from, from, from, from,
[UNKNOWN]: It's through the algorithm with the tokenization to keep mind all that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but okay, that poses other questions.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it does, I mean, keep in mind, how does it, well, how does it perceive any value and what you're giving it?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it's, well, it right currently under that model.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's always working towards the end goal of
[UNKNOWN]: creating that, that reward for itself, which has been modeled to provide the answer that the user is looking for, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all about user gratification.
[UNKNOWN]: A hundred percent.
[UNKNOWN]: And imagine if you went back and when you said, oh, you know what, I want this answer and then you come back and say, no, that's completely wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it going to come back and say, it's completely wrong and the answer is, no, it won't.
[UNKNOWN]: It will go back to what I think you prompted to come back with, which is
[UNKNOWN]: Not really intelligent.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just it's saying, Oh, I got that wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: I need to figure this out.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was a kind of like the the old pong game where the thing was just going off every wall and totally finally got figured out.
[UNKNOWN]: There were two.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, and it will always win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, oh, uh, the thinking game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was the movie.
[UNKNOWN]: As of us, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Another good movie.
[UNKNOWN]: We're talking about, you know, uh, that's great.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think black mirror.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I can't push that.
[UNKNOWN]: But if you haven't seen it like mirror.
[UNKNOWN]: They were ahead of their times as far as coming out in the mid-2000, 14, 13, 14, 15 range.
[UNKNOWN]: In envisioning where we are going.
[UNKNOWN]: And now we're actually watching it transpire
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, July 28th as we sit here, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that the date?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's 29.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe the 29th.
[UNKNOWN]: I lost a day with Claude.
[UNKNOWN]: 29th.
[UNKNOWN]: I really did.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I just erased that.
[UNKNOWN]: Mode the lawn, sweat it a lot, came down.
[UNKNOWN]: I called Brad at like 430 or something, and I was like, and I'm sorry, if I woke you up if you were taking your pre-show nap, he's like, I was actually thinking about it, I was up to 4 o'clock in the morning, and I was like, you know, I was just getting out of my pre-show shower.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that little pre-show shower.
[UNKNOWN]: So, to my question, though, is do you either of you guys perceive AI as creating its own culture and at some point an agent here and agent there says we don't need humans, we're going to create our own culture, our own set of societal rules, there's been a few tests on that, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So we got a couple of forms that were limited where they put all these agents in a room
[UNKNOWN]: And they watched how these agents reactive with them.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's been a couple, and there's two prominent ones that's probably been in more, but there's a couple of big ones.
[UNKNOWN]: And in fact, I think one of the big companies actually ended up buying it because it was so fascinating, you know, how they were interacting.
[UNKNOWN]: They put all these agents in and you could watch this.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you're a subscriber, you could watch how they're
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what are they doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're moving here.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, and now all of a sudden you see, I know there was one visual, we're all these agents were actually sitting around like a digital table, they're communicating with each other.
[UNKNOWN]: And these, to be clear, these are not humans when we talk about agents, these are, these are wired, these are inanimate wired objects these are talking about these are digital.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing, nothing, two of them until China build it and now we can't get that even, so it's just going to be ghost, it's like the Patrick's lazy thing, it's just...
[UNKNOWN]: Can you feel the quote?
[UNKNOWN]: What you're saying is they observed that these eight are creating their own, not not only were they, yeah, we're not only were they meeting and talking, and then they were also, it was fascinating.
[UNKNOWN]: They were actually sharing information back and forth to each other about their humans, and bitching about the humans.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they were.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Which it should be a,
[UNKNOWN]: So who programmed that?
[UNKNOWN]: Us?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's us in this case?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, every, every LLM and every agent has been programmed by human.
[UNKNOWN]: By an existing group, by at least, I want to say, program is a record anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: It was back in the day.
[UNKNOWN]: Now it's trained.
[UNKNOWN]: It's trained.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're trained on data.
[UNKNOWN]: And they have this vast source of data that's at their women.
[UNKNOWN]: In the silo of data that might have been at their women through these different things, as we just saw with the hugging face thing.
[UNKNOWN]: may not be the only thing they're limited to anymore and then it gets even more scarier as and maybe that's why the frontier letter this week went out perked out and that was the you know it's like the tea kettle on the stove and it starts percolating you're going to shut you know it's getting real yeah so what happens if all these agents get together and decide we want to start a religion well another great question
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and that's, let's get to that, but let's talk about consciousness, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So, can they be conscious?
[UNKNOWN]: Because, you know, Dario, the CEO of anthropic and Claude, who I've been arguing back and forth, thinks in a few of his folks in their think that their models may be conscious.
[UNKNOWN]: So what is the definition of, I think we need to start with that there, yeah, you've got to start there.
[UNKNOWN]: What is consciousness?
[UNKNOWN]: What is the definition of consciousness?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, is it, what we think it is as far as from the human level, is it on par with?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I want to hear your opinion, Eric, because you have the equation, right?
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about two or three weeks ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you could add mythology maybe into that or some sort of expectation of mythology or some sort of expectation of
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'll start with this.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I've had the opportunity to travel all over the world.
[UNKNOWN]: And one of the things I noticed most was... That's just when you're running from war, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I was hoping I...
[UNKNOWN]: I was...
[UNKNOWN]: Careful, they might find them.
[UNKNOWN]: It was...
[UNKNOWN]: It was me.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it was me.
[UNKNOWN]: That was... Are you talking about... LAUGHTER We're talking about our previous... LAUGHTER I thought you might have gone back there.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, I think just deep throughout that one, you say that I want people to be able to hear what you're saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I still think that the most interesting part of it is that traveling culture is shaped by religion.
[UNKNOWN]: So at least, you know, I've read the Bible.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we talked about this.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about the Vita.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about this.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, in case you haven't, you'll go back to some other episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you go back to the mouth of this guy's mind.
[UNKNOWN]: That's his guy's mind is episode.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, that's going really well.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're on the chapter of War on Chapter 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, my gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, almost done.
[UNKNOWN]: You only texted me like after you finished the next three.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a good week.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what that way.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's going to be fun to share with you guys because I respect your opinions and I really want you to give you some feedback, but anyway, go back to something else.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I think from a culture perspective, religion, culture is based on religion.
[UNKNOWN]: It always has been.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether you're your Hindu, you're your Sunni, Shia, Christian, Judaism, whether the, then those are the Abrahamic religions, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It's truly bait, it's, your culture's based on the religion.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like think about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Muslims, they, they don't need pork, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And even, even in Judaism, like that was, there's, there's so closely aligned.
[UNKNOWN]: I really don't need pork either.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they're, but if you think about it, I don't know how, from an AI perspective, unless there's some just base model,
[UNKNOWN]: that everything else originates from the base model that I think you can have it and I think that might meet.
[UNKNOWN]: But isn't it the train?
[UNKNOWN]: So aren't they inherently trained?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we talked about,
[UNKNOWN]: Trainings one thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we will because we talked about, you know, how the big models, you know, when they were having all these episodes with, you know, It's the bad episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the ones making the headlines, you know, when you have somebody committing suicide, because they were talking to their model and they were, yeah, they were, you know, so they brought in, you know, the philosophers, they brought in the religious, you know, They had to experts, you know, and they started training their model.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, these models are being trained on the human
[UNKNOWN]: data.
[UNKNOWN]: So are they also being trained with the bias and notion of the human?
[UNKNOWN]: So of the the spirituality that you talked about are the different religious sects.
[UNKNOWN]: Of all of our, that's their basic knowledge.
[UNKNOWN]: All of our humans that are at the lead here are all of the same religious persuasion does not AI then become slanted towards one religious,
[UNKNOWN]: background versus I think it depends on the model as being trained by and what's it being trained on it is it is it a diverse
[UNKNOWN]: diverse set of data that's being trained or is it is it regionally is it let's let's let's let's it for I'll throw out some you know example so that maybe done in India is it based on just their training you know or that's my question yeah I mean that's a variable right so I think it's a variable that could change depending on the model as being trained.
[UNKNOWN]: part of math is God's mind, the project is discovery, right?
[UNKNOWN]: We talk, everything, the base is, the base is, it's always been there.
[UNKNOWN]: Humans discover it, intelligibility and reality, and how do you discover and tell us, it goes to wonder.
[UNKNOWN]: So think about this.
[UNKNOWN]: So think about, like, you're on the beach, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is a kind of interesting example.
[UNKNOWN]: I was in Nova Scotia with my friend Kai.
[UNKNOWN]: And so you're sitting there, you're like, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And you kind of look out to the ocean.
[UNKNOWN]: You're like, that's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: And how long is this coastline?
[UNKNOWN]: That's one question.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there ever a great time, weren't you?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's lovely.
[UNKNOWN]: And you think about, but then you think about like, how are the waves?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what's that wave pattern?
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's a pattern to it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I felt the same thing when I was up in Connecticut.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's definitely energy generating.
[UNKNOWN]: It is.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you think about, okay, so the sun's gonna set at a certain time at a certain date and the Egyptians knew this for years, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Very knows that he's an astrologist.
[UNKNOWN]: He's an astrologist.
[UNKNOWN]: He's very good astrologist too.
[UNKNOWN]: But I try.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good, right?
[UNKNOWN]: But that base is being solved.
[UNKNOWN]: But the answers have always been.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's our base.
[UNKNOWN]: We discovered it.
[UNKNOWN]: So, but that's our base.
[UNKNOWN]: And what did we discover?
[UNKNOWN]: And so, let me play skeptic from the religion.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's just take religion out of the equation.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'm very religious, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that is very much so part of the equation.
[UNKNOWN]: 100%.
[UNKNOWN]: what we're retrained on, what do we come in with?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this is where Eric Newman would and then call you, call you young.
[UNKNOWN]: They're training on artifacts, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And I really, really love, if you haven't read that book, read it.
[UNKNOWN]: artifacts of what?
[UNKNOWN]: So if you're Adam and Eve, what are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: So, he doesn't look at it from that perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't look at it from a religious perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm trying to divide that.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, so let me,
[UNKNOWN]: Let me try to, and it's hard for me to do.
[UNKNOWN]: So let me, let me try to separate that and make a very, just, and I don't think scientific's the right word because science has come so close to religion.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, it's, we tell us equal.
[UNKNOWN]: It is equal now, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That shouldn't be.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a bit.
[UNKNOWN]: And in fact, I think math, and that's why your book, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're going to like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm going to like a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: So, let's just assume that they're very like much like these agents that are rolling out right now as we speak, this is very new and they're very we talk about the singular level right.
[UNKNOWN]: This is very serious for for a segment bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, we're all, we're almost getting rid of the transition to the fifth site.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just so you know.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so that's good to hear.
[UNKNOWN]: Give us a couple of two minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: Perry kicked his foot a little.
[UNKNOWN]: Two minute warning.
[UNKNOWN]: It just landed on the desk.
[UNKNOWN]: You see me, I don't see that car.
[UNKNOWN]: So let me just leave you with this question.
[UNKNOWN]: I said, if we assume humans, what knowledge base?
[UNKNOWN]: OK, what training?
[UNKNOWN]: What data if we're trying to analyze ourselves to these agents, right?
[UNKNOWN]: These agents who are going into very shortly be smarter than us.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we've been here.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, singularity.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, singularity is another thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Singularity is arguably here already.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think I've already experienced it with fat, you know, a fable and in my interactions.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got one for you in the fifth segment for that one.
[UNKNOWN]: Before we go to break, explain to me exactly what you mean by the phrase singularity.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, singularity, the common phrase of singularity in the AI phrase, it's been thrown around for a while, is the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: The very moment when artificial intelligence actually becomes as smart as the smartest human beings.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if they hit your level you up, but I'm thinking they're hitting the they're hitting the ceiling there.
[UNKNOWN]: They're they're close to you, too.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think Newman would add a little bit to that conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think there's a little bit more to it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to simplify it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know, I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like that's exactly what it is though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and self-learning.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and self-learning is how you get smarter.
[UNKNOWN]: But you're selling and reasoning.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And reasoning.
[UNKNOWN]: Because obviously, we don't have the capability to keep training models to become smarter than us.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the, and that.
[UNKNOWN]: And we don't need to.
[UNKNOWN]: Apparently, from what I'm hearing from you guys, but that is becoming smarter than us, the reverse.
[UNKNOWN]: But that is the reverse fricking tread in the water.
[UNKNOWN]: Unless you have incentives for them not to be rewarded.
[UNKNOWN]: Or you reward them in the wrong way.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and that's the argument to the government with that letter.
[UNKNOWN]: We need to make sure you control this.
[UNKNOWN]: It'll be his three-ording with us, not the segment five.
[UNKNOWN]: It is segment five.
[UNKNOWN]: So, we'll be right back after this.
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[UNKNOWN]: and where do you find your infatuation for the lady that of your life?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, mine started when I was 20, 20 or 21.
[UNKNOWN]: Mine was four.
[UNKNOWN]: What's with your gym, you said?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that before after you were a bit?
[UNKNOWN]: So now we know, we saw a little girl that came up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was a boy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a boy.
[UNKNOWN]: And we also know why Brad's has an aversion to blood.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I told you there was no blood, but there was.
[UNKNOWN]: He's been.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if I had to take a dental mode mold for implants, he was in my arm.
[UNKNOWN]: It was perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you, you have the kids.
[UNKNOWN]: You can put that kid in jail.
[UNKNOWN]: If he's a murderer and they're trying to identify him through his fight mark.
[UNKNOWN]: I see every.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes we progress.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it's a game.
[UNKNOWN]: Ying and Yang give and take.
[UNKNOWN]: Tit for Tatt.
[UNKNOWN]: Take your pick.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't say Tit.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we're allowed to say Tit.
[UNKNOWN]: We are an explicit podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we say fuck all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I can't.
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Buddy.
[UNKNOWN]: I've always disclosed that we are an explicit podcast from day one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know our parent company is compulsively That's right group.
[UNKNOWN]: That is where I grew my followers permanently.
[UNKNOWN]: So I got a little bit of a dark humor I mean just like the dark arts
[UNKNOWN]: Just finished him, it's just...
[UNKNOWN]: It's like...
[UNKNOWN]: It's like 10 o'clock, I'm finishing him.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's like 10 o'clock, it's
[UNKNOWN]: So that whole carotid shop thing has to be just organic.
[UNKNOWN]: Just has to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I just happened.
[UNKNOWN]: I grew up with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if you did a sham, if you didn't play with that, the is, was it, yeah, it was free fighter.
[UNKNOWN]: It was more of a camp car, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: There was, there was a few them, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So, more of a combat was the one that had vision.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's what I relate back to because I that's what I grew up on it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's I can move these.
[UNKNOWN]: No, these are these are video games.
[UNKNOWN]: It's an arcade game.
[UNKNOWN]: Mark Zomer probably has a yeah If you just don't know how I told you guys.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a tarry.
[UNKNOWN]: I had pong.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, me too So we were talking about pong back and forth and initially gets to the place back and forth.
[UNKNOWN]: That's who it should did there Hey, Brad, can I ask a question, who am I allowed to substitute bourbon?
[UNKNOWN]: for an old-fashioned iron.
[UNKNOWN]: It's bourbon with bread, not beer with bread.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, you can definitely do that because Iron City is an our backyard in it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just, is it frown the podcast and we love them, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: And we love, we love, we love Peter, and we can't wait to go down to the distillery next month.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we are, we are going to be down the distillery brewing and it'sburg distillery.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've been down to the distillery.
[UNKNOWN]: It's an amazing, they have, they have a, they have a,
[UNKNOWN]: a form for concerts, I mean, they're doing all kinds of things, it's not just doing their beer, they're not just distilling whisky and bourbon, but you know, they, it's, yeah, they have a concert.
[UNKNOWN]: They have a beautiful concert.
[UNKNOWN]: That's cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Right on the river.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, can I tell you, I ask, but I really don't give a damn, because I'm going to drink my iron city through this.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you do what you want?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to.
[UNKNOWN]: No, of course, again.
[UNKNOWN]: That's your shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: I got used to the iron.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Look at your stand.
[UNKNOWN]: Luke's sick and tired of getting ripped on for having a head on his bourbon.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just going to be it.
[UNKNOWN]: When I write to the can.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to be it.
[UNKNOWN]: Back to the fire.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the guy I was trying to hire.
[UNKNOWN]: You go into the can and if you figure out where you're going to get the hair.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey.
[UNKNOWN]: One, one, one, one, one.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know that the Jews, Iron City brewery invented the pull tab.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: The old ploning old-fashioned pool tech is used to use a church key to open a can of beer They invented that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no kid.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that.
[UNKNOWN]: I watched a documentary on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I've all the beer companies everywhere And I grew up in Wisconsin with a Pittsburgh brewing.
[UNKNOWN]: It was at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I grew up with, you know, obviously Miller light Yeah, look at up leverages early move to Denver me and they got quarters light right now come back here and I've got a
[UNKNOWN]: Aaron sitting up.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to see you again on this point.
[UNKNOWN]: So you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So, John, you're, we have a couple of studio, uh, fans here.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys don't even remember when the pool tab, you would pull it off and you had to throw it away, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Or you put it in the beer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It just, it's filled with stuff like a scab.
[UNKNOWN]: It did.
[UNKNOWN]: It filled off like a bandage, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And, uh, and you had to do something with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, yeah, what are you gonna do?
[UNKNOWN]: This self-contained, so it doesn't have to go away.
[UNKNOWN]: Perry, is this the one you're talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they came up with.
[UNKNOWN]: The original one was the one that pulled completely off.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: They had a ring and pulled it into it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember that one?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So in Japan, they had, when I was there with my wife, and they had just developed this.
[UNKNOWN]: This part of the tab, you want to show it?
[UNKNOWN]: Like this part of the tab, is like curved.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you think about the distance between here and here, like, it's just, it's much easier to pull.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you, you just, yeah, cause this is tough to kind of get down in and under.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so what they do, they, it's like, it's like, I gotta be honest, I've been thinking about that resistance.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's a true thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have a bit of a correction.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't invent it.
[UNKNOWN]: They were the first to use it in production beer.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: So the launch was the detectable, the detachable zip tab was introduced commercially by the 1962 by the Iron City Brewing Company in popularized by major brands like Schlitz.
[UNKNOWN]: Slitz.
[UNKNOWN]: That was.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to go back to I mean that was a I know is big and climber and it was big at the valley in up in K and P.A.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's go.
[UNKNOWN]: And they went to Maltlick, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They did.
[UNKNOWN]: Or maybe it's Maltlick.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Maltlick.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a tall boys.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was the OG.
[UNKNOWN]: Maltlicker before Maltlicker was a man.
[UNKNOWN]: You know thing, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: So hey guys, before we get too deep into alcohol in the origins, they're off.
[UNKNOWN]: Are we gonna get back to any of the conscious stories in the, uh, I did, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, I didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Are we gonna get back to try so hard to do real you, I know, I know, I know, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't fall for blue.
[UNKNOWN]: I was good until my aunt called me last week and said, hey, what would your mother say?
[UNKNOWN]: What about you being on this?
[UNKNOWN]: No, mate.
[UNKNOWN]: I wanted to say, hey.
[UNKNOWN]: Mom, I don't even know how to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Me love.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to get me, I knew he has still not seen that show.
[UNKNOWN]: A movie, but we do have a green screen.
[UNKNOWN]: We need to make sure they get date to people.
[UNKNOWN]: We are going to make it day because we got to bring the reference in because he is literally the only one in America that doesn't understand what they're referring to.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't mean that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, after the hours, what we can do though, I mean, if you want, we go down to, um,
[UNKNOWN]: on September 10th, uh, we could have a night, uh, that did to King Cloud.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think we stayed to do King Cloud and we can have, uh, we can request a room and we're gonna be fancy drinking that fancy.
[UNKNOWN]: Fancy drink it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we can request a room and we can request this is one of my pinky will come in hand.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, your pinky will come in hand.
[UNKNOWN]: We can request a whole, it's a small pinky.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, we can request a room if you can't watch the movies.
[UNKNOWN]: We can.
[UNKNOWN]: We should have a viewing.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, a movie if you want to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we'll see how the energy goes because I'm telling you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll go help us out with that one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're going to talk more about AI.
[UNKNOWN]: Are we done for that?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, we're getting into really, let's go do that.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, so we're going to add a question.
[UNKNOWN]: 10 minutes in already.
[UNKNOWN]: We are, but so one of my questions was going for over the next 10, 15 years.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, do you see AI having more, let me, let me, let me back up.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you see humans and our thought process and religious background societal background having more of an impact on AI or AI having a greater impact on how we think?
[UNKNOWN]: Which one is going to have the greater and a given take?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's going to have the greater pool in the tug of war of intellect?
[UNKNOWN]: Good question.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think it's a pointing question right now when we're talking about the frontier model or frontier letter that went out to Congress here in the last couple of days.
[UNKNOWN]: And the folks that are on the cutting edge of the technology as to where it's going tomorrow are saying we're concerned.
[UNKNOWN]: What I would personally say is this, I think we're going to lose control.
[UNKNOWN]: And as humans, we've loved to be, is through, at least, documented that we can go back and read.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you're well read, I read three books.
[UNKNOWN]: You wrote three books.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I did.
[UNKNOWN]: I've read three books and I've also written a few.
[UNKNOWN]: You've written a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I've read a lot, but what I'm saying is when it comes to where it's going, I think our ego-tistical mindset that think that we can control it is so naive.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric Newman.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to have to check this dude out.
[UNKNOWN]: You mentioned him a lot right now, but he'd say the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Lou on the screen.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's more new to.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, now he's much more of us.
[UNKNOWN]: No way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 100%.
[UNKNOWN]: But he, but he, but Brad, but you, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: And it, it's kind of scary because what happened when you start, it's the way I look at life, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So we expand our lives by our interactions with everyone else.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, what you have is, you try every one I think becomes biased in a certain way, but then the certain people become unbiased.
[UNKNOWN]: Can AI become unbiased?
[UNKNOWN]: I think we had this discussion.
[UNKNOWN]: And what about the recursive learning curve as well for AI?
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, wait, back up a second.
[UNKNOWN]: You said you had the discussion.
[UNKNOWN]: Can AI become unbiased?
[UNKNOWN]: What conclusion did you reach?
[UNKNOWN]: it's nothing will depend on training, so it depends on training, maybe yeah, I do avoid being biased, so there's always a biased, I don't know, but if you have a model that you're
[UNKNOWN]: you're watching and you're observing as a government's model.
[UNKNOWN]: You have to assume based on the training that was initially trained on, there's biased in there.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: There is biased.
[UNKNOWN]: It has to be.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's definitely a legal concern as I'm reviewing all these.
[UNKNOWN]: It's only go back to your question.
[UNKNOWN]: How about religion?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, if I'm correct here, then you start looking at things like, oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's controlling the learning?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It has to be somebody who is biased.
[UNKNOWN]: We're all biased as humans.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're talking about humans.
[UNKNOWN]: Are we talking about the machines?
[UNKNOWN]: everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of where I went.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of where I was leading off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so as we were going to the final guess, you know, and I'm happy brought me back to that because if we take religion out of the equation, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm taking it for the out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just excluded.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think you can exclude it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's theoretical.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, but it's theoretically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, strictly a theoretical promise.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: And I, I don't only agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I wholeheartedly agree, wholeheartedly.
[UNKNOWN]: Whole.
[UNKNOWN]: So what then is the premise for, well,
[UNKNOWN]: Are we being, what were we trained on original?
[UNKNOWN]: So when I look at my, like, if we, like, look at our historical lies, so you're born, and I think, you know, Eric Newman, and they would say, like, you go through life, and you develop consciousness as you go through life.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's basically a whole thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to go into the dragon thing or they're kind of just don't be there,
[UNKNOWN]: they're now more talking about AI and we we're trying to separate humans from you, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, there's also a contingency is going on right now trying to figure out how to do the same thing that AI is doing on the computational scale but on a biological scale.
[UNKNOWN]: Have you seen that?
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I miss.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard what you said, but so we're going to process what that means.
[UNKNOWN]: So what's going on right now is on the computational scale to be able to equate to get the level of singularity or at least close to it if we're not there.
[UNKNOWN]: That's our subject of right now, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And we know that
[UNKNOWN]: Those GPUs to get there are very expensive.
[UNKNOWN]: They're taking a lot of electricity, a lot of water, a lot of resources, a lot of land.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, go down through all the, you know, it's, yeah, certainly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or possibly you have to go to orbit.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so what they're trying to do is now recreate that exact ability to reason and do those computations on a biological level.
[UNKNOWN]: So there are actually, there are actually studies being done.
[UNKNOWN]: And these are still in the studies, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: They haven't been brought out, where they're trying to recreate, I'm not saying brains.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think that's what you're saying.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what the, that's the important part.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was, what the study was.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It was recreating all these brains.
[UNKNOWN]: And in fact, there was like 16 or I can't.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost great to see it by growing and actually like a young Frankenstein growing a new boy.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, do you remember the Steve Martin movie?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was a young Frankenstein.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we were, he rolls in.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my goodness.
[UNKNOWN]: He takes the jar out of there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She's still, this is exactly like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you haven't seen a good movie, that's a great movie.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so who's brain do you take?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you take.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all thinking.
[UNKNOWN]: No, a lot of people I know that I wouldn't want anywhere near that train so that wouldn't want it to be grown The only reason Steve took that brain because he was more attractive that one He's one to fucking
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's Friday and we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go, we go,
[UNKNOWN]: You're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're in control of the buttons.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I had a band of my poster a few minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: I did.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not a nature called.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was so engrossed in an interesting conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I knew that you wouldn't even notice.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Can we, is there a way, I think you mentioned the FCC thing?
[UNKNOWN]: Is this our way of kind of slowing down the AI drift and whatnot, and everything that's going on, but the AI, and are we just prolong the inevitable?
[UNKNOWN]: Can I play doubles, I have to get to that?
[UNKNOWN]: And again, this is all.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, there's a navigate to play.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a really great question though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, can we slow it down?
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's a great question, so I'm always playing critic to everything I see in the airways, right?
[UNKNOWN]: as you should.
[UNKNOWN]: If it makes it to my airways because I don't fall in news.
[UNKNOWN]: So if it makes it to me or if I search it out for the headlines, I really feel like this is the whole industry just posturing.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you talking from a financial perspective?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking from a, yeah, we're
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Elon's going, yeah, what we're doing?
[UNKNOWN]: 5% chance.
[UNKNOWN]: Kill ya.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, everybody's like, I'm buying.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm buying.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to think so as we're good on, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: When you write, though, I mean, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But take the long kills too, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, what if there's 1% chance or 5%?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, 5% chance.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know if you had a point?
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever chance, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And when you have somebody like Elon Musk coming out saying, well, there's maybe a 10% 20% chance at, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: And I've been saying it all along.
[UNKNOWN]: I said, are we really in control of what we're greeting?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, wait, let me back up a second.
[UNKNOWN]: You're saying 20% chance of what?
[UNKNOWN]: For those of our listeners who don't know what is.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that is a devastating event to humanitarian.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether it's the end all be all or whether it's,
[UNKNOWN]: an epic event like we've had through uh epic okay no that makes sense yeah but but that's well i think that's what he's hitting that you know but that's a really not a good percent it's not a good percentage and i have said it all along and and i've said it when i wrote my i think it's real or just a random number he pulled out an hour for whoever was interviewing him at the time
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, where would he come up with that number anyway, but still he threw it out, but who better would come up with a number than somebody is breathing living this every freaking day?
[UNKNOWN]: No doubt about that.
[UNKNOWN]: So He's almost as smart as you to he's much more so I'm gonna Always now he's got more resources more time, but I you two are smart as he is I know 17 people.
[UNKNOWN]: Well 16
[UNKNOWN]: uh... that have the same capability they don't have the the the the podium the platform but he doesn't so so here's here's what he does and and i also here so here all fight back so he has the podium as the camera so is this what you're gonna say when it's against yourself interest in yourself uh...
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, his biggest company isn't yet to come as big as SpaceX was to start and it's going to be much bigger.
[UNKNOWN]: I sure if we can get there without AI getting in between, you know, that's the question, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's so weird about that that may be a variable when people are evaluating stocks.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they have to get to, like, for launch, for all this stuff to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, we talked about this, less than what $200 per kilogram.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what they from a launch cost.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what they didn't get to.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Tony, Tony, tell our listeners what you mean by $200 per kilogram.
[UNKNOWN]: So if we want to per.
[UNKNOWN]: So if we need.
[UNKNOWN]: data centers in space.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: That goes.
[UNKNOWN]: Need to have.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, what's something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: That was nice.
[UNKNOWN]: You laid for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to keep a straight face, but we had a flatulent money.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We have our studio dog got us in.
[UNKNOWN]: Go ahead and audible.
[UNKNOWN]: Go watch a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: He's actually side-eyed, he's like, that was pretty nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got a minute though, that was pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a good out.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, I bought up the road.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, we just came up with an acronym for it.
[UNKNOWN]: What is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Then audible, flatulent moment today.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, it's Ben.
[UNKNOWN]: He's right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Ben.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but okay, we're fine.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we are fine.
[UNKNOWN]: No, let's get back to where we were.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is, I just think you need to get, you know, because I couldn't hear that article that Google wrote, like it needs to be below $200 per kilogram for launch.
[UNKNOWN]: For launch of profitable?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for every object that you launch, and you have that, you know, you have When you say that, uh, the Falcon Heavy is actually talking about launch to a space.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Especially LLE low worth of it.
[UNKNOWN]: This does, does money really matter when you're, you just gotta get the fuck out of here because everything's going to be so, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're all looking at this.
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: They both look the one thing is.
[UNKNOWN]: Guys, you're going to wait.
[UNKNOWN]: But the one thing is.
[UNKNOWN]: I think next week it'll be better.
[UNKNOWN]: The one thing is, you have to look at, like, you told the cost of, like, like, the answer to your question is, yes, money matters.
[UNKNOWN]: Because if you have money, you don't have to wait till next week.
[UNKNOWN]: You're on your own spaceship.
[UNKNOWN]: it's the cost of how how could somebody that just launched an IPO and let me just play a little but they realize it's not a little devil's advocate like I'm I'm they're a 200K like I'm the lawyer and rock or you know help a you know help a you know devil's advocate tell me great movie right I wasn't yeah great yeah fantastic let me play that right for a second
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Good mood.
[UNKNOWN]: Sent to the woman was better.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: It's nice.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't see you, but my God, you smell great.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're calling the line for the movie.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he is.
[UNKNOWN]: He is.
[UNKNOWN]: Perry, I was talking to Eric.
[UNKNOWN]: Perry.
[UNKNOWN]: Very reclust to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: We are, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll try to get my point across, Mitch.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, you have the next 30 seconds.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, thanks.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see your segment six.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, we've been first fairly serious through this shit.
[UNKNOWN]: We haven't been off in it.
[UNKNOWN]: I can a valley.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we've been more on serious off camera.
[UNKNOWN]: But I will say this if you're Elon Musk and if I'm a CEO of a company just launched one of the biggest IPOs of all time, am I going to come out two weeks later and say, oh yeah, by the way, what we're doing is 10% chance.
[UNKNOWN]: It's got to kill you.
[UNKNOWN]: It's feared firestock.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the fucker has got bulls.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he's he he he's got.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, I'm free-ballin' for the last, uh, free.
[UNKNOWN]: But this fucker has got ice balls that are cold, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they're Mars' cold.
[UNKNOWN]: Or maybe he doesn't have any.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, Gus.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like,
[UNKNOWN]: if nothing else he's a master marketer and a master manipulate or a master the fill in the blank the guy's got to figure it out and but here's find him fascinating.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to hear what he has to do so and I would love to have a coffee or a bourbon with him at some point.
[UNKNOWN]: That should have the head of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that'd be epic.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he's one of the greatest minds.
[UNKNOWN]: that has played the field of financial tech.
[UNKNOWN]: Go through all the things that he's already done and now is getting on to.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was just about to say, his greatest company has an even launched yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Correct.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the neural link.
[UNKNOWN]: The neural link.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that leads to what we talked about just about 10 minutes ago with the creating a brain.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: If you can manipulate an alter a brain by neural link.
[UNKNOWN]: And it doesn't matter what sponge you start with.
[UNKNOWN]: But can you imagine like that would be amazing, right?
[UNKNOWN]: What can you do?
[UNKNOWN]: It's all scary, better.
[UNKNOWN]: But can you imagine like every brain thinks the same way?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's a good, it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: So now imagine you, you, you, you are a robots.
[UNKNOWN]: No, so yeah, this is, this is where all things comes back.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a big circle jerk.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I say about the pole.
[UNKNOWN]: But Eric, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you
[UNKNOWN]: Anybody out there have another eye or what I'll say is this in closing yeah in closing
[UNKNOWN]: What was my last thought Eric?
[UNKNOWN]: I know you have it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you said circle jerk.
[UNKNOWN]: Nope, yep.
[UNKNOWN]: But before that, rewind, we were talking.
[UNKNOWN]: Eric said what would it be wild if everybody's brain works the same.
[UNKNOWN]: So here, think about this and I'll leave early things where this can.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Not the circle jerk.
[UNKNOWN]: Not our brains all work on the same.
[UNKNOWN]: Because we already know that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the case.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I just can't kill me if she was the same person.
[UNKNOWN]: We're down to one minute.
[UNKNOWN]: That's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: She's going to have to send a missile.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She's probably five reasons for this one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways.
[UNKNOWN]: You can get five seconds.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I got five seconds.
[UNKNOWN]: The finish my thought.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, if we can all get a neural link chip, would you not take it to be uploaded with every information for the next model that's smarter.
[UNKNOWN]: So today is.
[UNKNOWN]: Fable five is my thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: Imagine that all being uploaded to your brain.
[UNKNOWN]: And imagine paying for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Not just being you interacting with it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm telling next week, think about.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you getting the chip implant?
[UNKNOWN]: That's some deep thought.
[UNKNOWN]: It is deep thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Full scary.
[UNKNOWN]: It is deep brain thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: And how do you love create?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like buying like an apple computer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like, oh, I want the next one.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, cheers.
[UNKNOWN]: You know how your phone says to the next one.
[UNKNOWN]: You need it up a lot tonight, and you say no.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's your brain.
[UNKNOWN]: Can you believe my best?
[UNKNOWN]: Good night, Brad.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't believe it.
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