WEBVTT 00:00.131 --> 00:04.135 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey everyone, welcome back to Room for Us, a space-square queer voices thrive. 00:04.295 --> 00:09.560 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, P. And every single week I like to get vulnerable and talk about all things queer with all of you. 00:10.001 --> 00:13.584 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have a lot of opinions for this topic. 00:14.305 --> 00:17.087 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was honestly a no-brainer when I decided it because 00:17.768 --> 00:23.632 [SPEAKER_00]: There's just been so much more chatter around what's going on with the Harry Potter franchise and JK Rowling. 00:23.892 --> 00:30.057 [SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed I haven't really spoken a lot about JK Rowling on this podcast. 00:30.097 --> 00:34.440 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't want to give her that time to be completely fair. 00:34.460 --> 00:41.624 [SPEAKER_00]: But I also think it's really important that I express my stance on how I feel and where I stand on things. 00:42.205 --> 00:43.226 [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to make it 00:47.028 --> 00:47.769 [SPEAKER_00]: always will. 00:48.189 --> 01:02.961 [SPEAKER_00]: As mentioned, what inspired me to want to talk about this is that I've been seeing a lot of news on social media about the HPO Harry Potter series that has been renewed for a second season and certain cast members who are joining and then some who are declining. 01:03.101 --> 01:07.525 [SPEAKER_00]: But then when I opened up my app today, the first thing I saw on my timeline was 01:08.205 --> 01:24.353 [SPEAKER_00]: Rupert Grint, who has played Ron Weasley like the OG Ron Weasley for many, many years, has made the decision to go back to Broadway as Ron Weasley for Harry Potter in the Curse Child, which is meant to debut in 2027. 01:24.913 --> 01:27.214 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I saw that, I was honestly shocked. 01:27.914 --> 01:30.436 [SPEAKER_00]: I was honestly shocked, and we're going to get into this for this episode. 01:31.336 --> 01:39.846 [SPEAKER_00]: And it made me think about how I could feel the disappointment, honestly, coming out, and I just don't want to stay silent about my opinions on this. 01:40.367 --> 01:44.071 [SPEAKER_00]: And trust me, I know that so many of us have grown up with Harry Potter. 01:44.732 --> 01:47.716 [SPEAKER_00]: I know how much that series has meant to a lot of us. 01:47.796 --> 01:50.359 [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a book series that has shaped our childhoods. 01:50.559 --> 01:50.679 [SPEAKER_00]: And 01:51.560 --> 01:53.021 [SPEAKER_00]: We grew up watching the movies. 01:53.741 --> 01:59.043 [SPEAKER_00]: We've grown up with Rupert Grint, with Daniel Radcliffe, with Emma Watson. 01:59.764 --> 02:01.624 [SPEAKER_00]: We identify with them. 02:02.065 --> 02:06.707 [SPEAKER_00]: It really comes down to we need to stop giving this franchise our money. 02:07.367 --> 02:09.068 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's all because of JK Rowling. 02:09.788 --> 02:21.746 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to make it clear that if you are new to this, and you don't know too much about the JK Rowling controversy, like you've probably obviously heard of it, but maybe you haven't dug too deep into why this is such a big deal. 02:22.106 --> 02:25.611 [SPEAKER_00]: This didn't start with just one bad tweet from JK Rowling. 02:26.292 --> 02:33.343 [SPEAKER_00]: People love to kind of point back to June 2020 with JK Rowling's tweet just being this like single, unfortunate moment. 02:33.643 --> 02:34.425 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a mistake. 02:35.206 --> 02:38.931 [SPEAKER_00]: One tweet about people who menstruate, that got blown completely out of proportion. 02:39.252 --> 02:40.394 [SPEAKER_00]: But we need to make it clear that 02:41.435 --> 02:42.536 [SPEAKER_00]: it is not like that. 02:42.756 --> 02:46.800 [SPEAKER_00]: And we all need to look at how we shouldn't be framing this narrative in that way. 02:47.481 --> 02:53.727 [SPEAKER_00]: Because what followed wasn't clarification, it wasn't an apology, even saying like, you know, I fumbled on my words. 02:54.868 --> 02:56.290 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't mean to say it like that. 02:56.310 --> 03:01.315 [SPEAKER_00]: Because in all honesty, you can almost look at something and say, you know what, I was being very ignorant. 03:01.375 --> 03:02.816 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so sorry for saying that. 03:02.936 --> 03:03.617 [SPEAKER_00]: But instead, 03:04.838 --> 03:21.696 [SPEAKER_00]: J.K. Rowling wrote a long essay defending herself in detail and explained why she believed erasing quote-unquote biological sex as a category erased women and why raising that concern wasn't painful and it didn't stop there. 03:22.176 --> 03:24.378 [SPEAKER_00]: It kept going for six years. 03:25.219 --> 03:25.840 [SPEAKER_00]: Let that sit. 03:26.140 --> 03:35.090 [SPEAKER_00]: If she had made this tweet right back in 2019, 2020, if she had just made the singular tweet, I could see how people could forgive that. 03:35.151 --> 03:39.255 [SPEAKER_00]: People say things by mistake, maybe not even meaning to cause harm. 03:39.896 --> 03:41.538 [SPEAKER_00]: It could be just something that slips out. 03:42.138 --> 03:46.879 [SPEAKER_00]: and they can acknowledge their ignorance behind it, but J.K. Rowling knows what she's doing. 03:47.439 --> 03:55.661 [SPEAKER_00]: We're looking at six years of sustained escalating public advocacy against trans people's place in the world. 03:56.242 --> 03:57.022 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a pattern. 03:57.622 --> 04:01.403 [SPEAKER_00]: And the cast has recognized that pattern almost immediately, which tells you something. 04:02.223 --> 04:07.485 [SPEAKER_00]: Daniel Radcliffe wrote directly for the Trevor Project, affirming trans women are women. 04:07.966 --> 04:14.408 [SPEAKER_00]: Emma Watson has set the same and has spoken with Jay Shetty, too, about how she feels on his podcast. 04:14.728 --> 04:27.974 [SPEAKER_00]: Eddie Redman, who had worked with JK Rowling personally on fantastic beasts, has distanced himself, and Rupert Grant, who we're obviously going to talk about in this episode, has stood with trans people despite now 04:30.522 --> 04:36.947 [SPEAKER_00]: Rupert had said plainly, trans women are women, trans men are men, everyone deserves to live without judgment. 04:37.167 --> 04:39.228 [SPEAKER_00]: Rupert has not been silent about this. 04:39.288 --> 04:42.931 [SPEAKER_00]: He has been clearly open about his feelings since day one. 04:43.651 --> 04:44.732 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's really going to matter. 04:44.832 --> 04:50.336 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why I was inspired to talk about this in the first place because you can have somebody who 04:51.977 --> 05:04.726 [SPEAKER_00]: is standing with trans people, the moment things with JK Rowling get brought up, but then he is deciding to work on a play that ultimately is going to fund her because JK Rowling owns the Harry Potter franchise. 05:04.947 --> 05:06.047 [SPEAKER_00]: She is the creator. 05:06.308 --> 05:10.911 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is a very, very interesting thing to do in my opinion. 05:11.505 --> 05:15.370 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the people who support JK Rowling are saying things like this. 05:16.071 --> 05:22.940 [SPEAKER_00]: She's just a woman with concerns about safety, but the trajectory of what she continues to say does not support that fact. 05:23.160 --> 05:28.267 [SPEAKER_00]: She has said flatly that there are no trans kids that no child is born in the wrong body. 05:29.148 --> 05:32.170 [SPEAKER_00]: not like I have questions about medical care for minors. 05:32.490 --> 05:37.814 [SPEAKER_00]: It's her basically rejecting the idea that trans children are a group that exists. 05:38.214 --> 05:39.715 [SPEAKER_00]: This has nothing to do with safety. 05:39.895 --> 05:41.236 [SPEAKER_00]: This is an identity argument. 05:42.120 --> 05:50.345 [SPEAKER_00]: Earlier this year, she had also posted a photo of a trans woman taken from a low angle during a public debate, while publicly demanding the woman agreed to debate her. 05:50.825 --> 05:52.346 [SPEAKER_00]: Think about that for a second. 05:52.987 --> 05:55.728 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not like a hears my argument lets engage with it. 05:56.128 --> 05:59.650 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an image weaponized meant to humiliate, attached to a demand. 05:59.971 --> 06:04.253 [SPEAKER_00]: That's someone using her platform and her following to target an individual person. 06:04.633 --> 06:05.994 [SPEAKER_00]: Then she says something else, right? 06:06.274 --> 06:06.995 [SPEAKER_00]: Earlier this month, 06:07.415 --> 06:19.705 [SPEAKER_00]: Responding to a comment, she said she's always believed adults with severe gender dysphoria may find peace through hormones and surgery, and that she was glad the person she was responding to was happy. 06:20.366 --> 06:23.108 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that sentence undoes anything. 06:23.308 --> 06:29.934 [SPEAKER_00]: If anything, it kind of clarifies the actual shape of her position, which I think is kind of worse than just plain hatred. 06:30.594 --> 06:45.831 [SPEAKER_00]: To me, I feel like JK Rowling is saying she's fine with you existing quietly and privately, and medically, as long as you don't ask for legal recognition, safe access to public space, or to exist as a category she has to accept. 06:46.592 --> 06:49.315 [SPEAKER_00]: That is showing that she does not believe in trans rights. 06:49.355 --> 06:51.077 [SPEAKER_00]: That is the position she stands in. 06:51.997 --> 06:58.198 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like showing up and being nice to someone's face, but then you're working against everything that will make their life livable. 06:58.619 --> 06:59.799 [SPEAKER_00]: Like make that make sense. 07:00.359 --> 07:00.739 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't. 07:01.299 --> 07:04.020 [SPEAKER_00]: And on top of all that she hasn't stopped just there either. 07:04.440 --> 07:10.421 [SPEAKER_00]: She's turned some of that energy toward a sexual people, which is like a whole other part of the LGBTQ plus community. 07:10.781 --> 07:14.702 [SPEAKER_00]: That gets a fraction of the visibility and none of the institutional protection. 07:15.222 --> 07:22.711 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I've been speaking a lot, but like let's just get into a very, very simple breakdown in timeline about everything that has gone down with this JK Rowling discourse. 07:23.332 --> 07:32.082 [SPEAKER_00]: So 2018, JK Rowling liked a tweet comparing trans women to men and dresses and her spokesperson called it a mistake. 07:32.863 --> 07:43.112 [SPEAKER_00]: In December 2019, she tweeted support for Maya forstator, a researcher who lost her job after tweeting, that trans women aren't biologically female. 07:43.692 --> 07:51.038 [SPEAKER_00]: Rallying used the hashtag I stand with Maya, saying people should live how they like, but objected to women losing jobs for saying sex is real. 07:51.999 --> 07:52.440 [SPEAKER_00]: June 2020. 07:52.560 --> 07:54.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is the big one. 07:54.162 --> 07:58.848 [SPEAKER_00]: She mocked an article's phrase, people who menstruate for not using the word women. 07:59.128 --> 08:02.632 [SPEAKER_00]: When backlash hit, she that's when she did publish that long essay. 08:02.652 --> 08:06.777 [SPEAKER_00]: It was around 4,000 words on her website, explaining her views and depth. 08:07.538 --> 08:19.730 [SPEAKER_00]: Her core arguments in her own, stated logic, she worries that treating gender identity as more important than biological sex undermines women's legal protections and safe spaces, like shelters, changing rooms and prisons. 08:20.370 --> 08:29.800 [SPEAKER_00]: She said she's concerned about the number of teenagers, especially girls identifying as trans, suggesting some may be influenced by online trends rather than a stable sense of self. 08:30.420 --> 08:40.229 [SPEAKER_00]: She stated she knows and loves trans people and isn't motivated by hatred, that her concern is specifically about sex-based rights, not trans people's right to exist, or be treated with dignity. 08:41.029 --> 08:47.235 [SPEAKER_00]: So of course, many people are calling this framing misleading and harmful regardless of her stated intent. 08:47.735 --> 08:52.480 [SPEAKER_00]: And organizations like Glad have said it spreads misinformation about trans people. 08:53.440 --> 09:00.522 [SPEAKER_00]: And this started in 2020 to 2025 and is still ongoing and she's continued to speak out about this regularly. 09:00.682 --> 09:07.683 [SPEAKER_00]: She supported UK court rulings and legislation that define woman by biological sex for legal purposes. 09:08.423 --> 09:11.904 [SPEAKER_00]: Said publicly, she doesn't believe children can be born in the wrong body. 09:12.164 --> 09:14.644 [SPEAKER_00]: Criticize the BBC and other outlets for language. 09:14.664 --> 09:16.725 [SPEAKER_00]: She feels obscures by logical sex. 09:17.825 --> 09:24.747 [SPEAKER_00]: Engaged in public disputes on social media, including one where she reposted that photo of a transport caster taken at an angle. 09:25.207 --> 09:27.388 [SPEAKER_00]: Critics said was intended to humiliate her. 09:27.628 --> 09:41.012 [SPEAKER_00]: Has at times said she supports adults right to medically transition if it brings them peace, while still opposing legal recognition of that identity in certain contexts, for example sports or single sex spaces. 09:42.032 --> 09:51.843 [SPEAKER_00]: The response, as I mentioned, Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Eddie Redmain, and Rupert Grint all publicly disagreed with her, stating trans women are women, trans men are men. 09:52.583 --> 10:00.392 [SPEAKER_00]: This response happened very, very quickly within days after her essay, and several of them have still reaffirmed that since then. 10:00.772 --> 10:08.616 [SPEAKER_00]: As we talk about this and all the controversy with JK Rowling, a lot of debates still comes up about, well, I still love Harry Potter. 10:08.776 --> 10:09.917 [SPEAKER_00]: I grew up with the series. 10:10.017 --> 10:10.958 [SPEAKER_00]: I still love the books. 10:11.078 --> 10:12.098 [SPEAKER_00]: I go to the theme parks. 10:12.478 --> 10:16.140 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean I support JK Rowling, but I love the story and the world she created. 10:16.801 --> 10:18.021 [SPEAKER_00]: But think about it. 10:18.602 --> 10:20.443 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is your money going? 10:21.283 --> 10:23.605 [SPEAKER_00]: People really skip past this too easily. 10:24.345 --> 10:28.188 [SPEAKER_00]: None of this is happening in some parallel universe separate from the franchise. 10:28.848 --> 10:31.050 [SPEAKER_00]: JK Rowling owns Harry Potter. 10:31.731 --> 10:35.593 [SPEAKER_00]: She is compensated on essentially everything with that name on it. 10:36.134 --> 10:43.359 [SPEAKER_00]: The books, the films, the theme parks, the merchandise, the stage productions, the HBO series, every ticket. 10:44.610 --> 10:52.581 [SPEAKER_00]: every streaming rewatch in some measurable way is still funding her and that's the disconnect that I can't get past. 10:53.061 --> 11:01.192 [SPEAKER_00]: People will post in support of trans rights with one hand and by a Hogwarts sweatshirt with the other and treat those as completely unrelated. 11:02.182 --> 11:03.163 [SPEAKER_00]: they're not unrelated. 11:03.643 --> 11:11.970 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that every single person who has ever loved these books, as a kid, or even into their teenagers early adulthood, is a bad person for having loved them. 11:12.210 --> 11:13.732 [SPEAKER_00]: That is not the point at all. 11:14.272 --> 11:17.955 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think guilt over childhood nostalgia gets anyone anywhere. 11:18.375 --> 11:29.284 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a difference between what shaped you at 10 years old and what you choose to keep actively paying for at 30, 40, 50, once you know exactly where that money goes and what it's 11:30.305 --> 11:33.626 [SPEAKER_00]: That's really what I want to ask you to think about this episode. 11:34.386 --> 11:37.426 [SPEAKER_00]: Not were you a bad person for loving and supporting these books? 11:38.126 --> 11:38.847 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously not. 11:39.067 --> 11:45.928 [SPEAKER_00]: But what am I actually funding right now today with full knowledge of what JK Rowling has said and done? 11:46.868 --> 11:48.168 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are different questions. 11:48.708 --> 11:52.669 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of us dodge the second one by just staying focused on the first. 11:52.729 --> 11:55.929 [SPEAKER_00]: We're really leaning into the nostalgia of Harry Potter. 11:56.130 --> 11:58.450 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's bring it back to Rupert Grint. 11:59.420 --> 12:03.303 [SPEAKER_00]: Rupert said this is an emotional full circle moment for him personally. 12:03.583 --> 12:13.371 [SPEAKER_00]: I completely understand why people are genuinely confused by Rupert's decision as he has been about as consistent and public as anyone in stating where he stands on trans rights. 12:14.231 --> 12:17.674 [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't someone who's stayed silent to protect the Harry Potter brand. 12:18.515 --> 12:20.696 [SPEAKER_00]: So is it hypocritical for him to go back? 12:21.617 --> 12:26.620 [SPEAKER_00]: I do recognize I don't think it's that simple, and I know he grew up with Harry Potter on set. 12:26.660 --> 12:27.960 [SPEAKER_00]: He was only 11 years old. 12:28.621 --> 12:39.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Harry Potter is in a world he created, but I also want to acknowledge like him being older now and also fully knowing everything the creator of the show has done and the books have done. 12:40.306 --> 12:43.928 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it would speak volumes if he refused to participate. 12:44.048 --> 12:44.569 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it just 12:47.470 --> 12:50.994 [SPEAKER_00]: Some people may disagree and say, Rupert Grint doesn't really owe anything to us. 12:51.755 --> 12:56.580 [SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't owe it to us to remove himself from a character that he has grown up with and has been. 12:56.600 --> 13:02.126 [SPEAKER_00]: And he identifies with many people like to separate the art or in this case, the character from the creator. 13:02.606 --> 13:06.531 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think this is far too unsettling to just sit and pretend like it's okay. 13:07.887 --> 13:14.029 [SPEAKER_00]: The creator of this franchise that people have known and loved for many many years is extremely harmful to the trans community. 13:14.769 --> 13:24.393 [SPEAKER_00]: And as I mentioned, this isn't just a one-time common JK Rowling has ignorantly made, and as since apologized, she keeps doubling down and continues her argument and stands by it. 13:25.173 --> 13:30.378 [SPEAKER_00]: I think decisions by actors and humans in general like we can decide what we want to do now. 13:31.039 --> 13:35.283 [SPEAKER_00]: I can make the decision if I want to support JK Rowling and go to these theme parks. 13:35.904 --> 13:38.446 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm older now and I have that knowledge. 13:39.407 --> 13:41.810 [SPEAKER_00]: All the money is going to go to JK Rowling. 13:42.170 --> 13:45.073 [SPEAKER_00]: Rupert Grint isn't the one profiting the most from your ticket. 13:45.533 --> 13:51.015 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can't even have that stance of saying, well, he's an actor that I really love and respect and like I want to support him. 13:51.655 --> 13:54.656 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a majority of it is going to J.K. Rowling. 13:55.096 --> 13:56.497 [SPEAKER_00]: Every cursed child ticked. 13:57.417 --> 14:11.662 [SPEAKER_00]: It's overwhelmingly funding a person who has spent six years and continuing to build a public gaze against the humanity of an already vulnerable group and a vulnerable group within the community among queer people too. 14:12.702 --> 14:25.237 [SPEAKER_00]: And to comment on this even more around the money factor, I don't know if a lot of people are aware that JK Rowling is using her wealth to fund anti-trans organizations. 14:25.638 --> 14:28.742 [SPEAKER_00]: So I found this post on Reddit, I'm going to read to you. 14:29.122 --> 14:40.044 [SPEAKER_00]: J.K. Rowling is using her wealth attained from the Harry Potter series to create an organization dedicated to removing transgender's people's rights in the workplace and public life and protected female spaces. 14:40.664 --> 14:47.606 [SPEAKER_00]: The author announced in a Saturday post to ex that she would be funding the J.K. Rowling Woman's Fund using her personal fortune. 14:48.066 --> 14:54.747 [SPEAKER_00]: The website for the group states that it offers legal funding support to individuals and organizations fighting to retain women's 14:59.308 --> 15:04.032 [SPEAKER_00]: I looked into all options and a private fund is the most efficient, streamlined way for me to do this. 15:04.072 --> 15:12.338 [SPEAKER_00]: She said, lots of people are offered to contribute, which I truly appreciate, but there are many other women's rights orgs that could do with the money, so donate away. 15:12.759 --> 15:13.459 [SPEAKER_00]: Just not to me. 15:13.799 --> 15:21.045 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not the first time Rowling has used her over 1 billion net worth to influence legal cases involving so-called women's sex-based rights. 15:21.645 --> 15:28.752 [SPEAKER_00]: A dog was still used by herself and other anti-trans activists to exclude trans people from public spaces and reduced women to their genitals. 15:29.272 --> 15:36.559 [SPEAKER_00]: Rallying donated roughly $88,200 to the anti-trans group for women's Scotland in 2024. 15:36.879 --> 15:43.205 [SPEAKER_00]: After it lost its challenge to a 2018 Scottish law, that legally recognized trans women as women. 15:43.725 --> 15:52.992 [SPEAKER_00]: The group appealed its case to the UK Supreme Court, which ruled last month, that trans women aren't considered women under the Nations Equality Act. 15:53.813 --> 15:54.994 [SPEAKER_00]: Let that sit with you a moment. 15:55.074 --> 15:57.316 [SPEAKER_00]: All of that was very, very shocking to me as well. 15:58.637 --> 16:06.122 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a lot to wrap your head around because it's hard to see that someone could be this hateful. 16:07.884 --> 16:10.045 [SPEAKER_00]: But I want to mention again, I'm not asking 16:12.870 --> 16:19.214 [SPEAKER_00]: having your copy of the source or a stunt that you read when you were nine or your your collection of books for that matter. 16:19.834 --> 16:24.737 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people still feel that, you know, they still have all the Harry Potter books they were given as a child. 16:25.918 --> 16:31.642 [SPEAKER_00]: But I want to ask you to be honest with yourself about new spending and going forward with full information. 16:32.723 --> 16:40.950 [SPEAKER_00]: A Broadway ticket in 2027 is a choice made by an adult who at this point has no excuse, not to know exactly what they're funding. 16:41.530 --> 16:43.813 [SPEAKER_00]: Please don't stay ignorant towards this. 16:44.493 --> 16:47.816 [SPEAKER_00]: Same with the theme park trip that you're planning with the merchandise. 16:48.497 --> 16:53.261 [SPEAKER_00]: Same with all those rewatches that does generate a royalty to JK Rowling. 16:53.821 --> 16:56.944 [SPEAKER_00]: They're a waste to still hold onto what these stories meant to you. 16:58.185 --> 17:13.278 [SPEAKER_00]: fan fiction, secondhand books that you received as children, even like the friendships maybe that you've built through being in the Harry Potter fandom, without a single additional dollar going towards the actual rights holder. 17:14.245 --> 17:28.857 [SPEAKER_00]: And broadly, please keep showing up for your trans people if you are a trans ally, show up for local organizations, mutual aid, showing up in legislation actually threaten someone's ability to get care or exist in public safety. 17:29.498 --> 17:34.502 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the version of standing with trans people that actually cost you something and mean something. 17:35.043 --> 17:40.727 [SPEAKER_00]: Versus the version, that's just a stance that you take in a tweet and then contradict with your wallet in an hour. 17:42.931 --> 18:10.307 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can't wrap my head around that, you can't stand there and say, I stand with trans people and then continue to support JK Rowling, I'd really like to open up this conversation to listeners with the second season of the Harry Potter HBO season returning and then of course the news about the Broadway musical that's coming on 27, I would encourage you to really really think hard about what you want to stream or what you want to spend your money on, where your money goes is a statement on your beliefs, whether you mean it to be or not. 18:11.207 --> 18:13.068 [SPEAKER_00]: So, my DMs are open. 18:13.108 --> 18:15.388 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to have like some conversations about this. 18:16.049 --> 18:17.449 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that is where I stand. 18:17.529 --> 18:19.550 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm standing like 10 toes down. 18:19.690 --> 18:22.331 [SPEAKER_00]: Super firm on my thoughts towards JK Rowling. 18:22.351 --> 18:26.372 [SPEAKER_00]: We should not be continuing to fund this unethical billionaire. 18:26.992 --> 18:28.092 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is. 18:28.392 --> 18:29.233 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening. 18:29.473 --> 18:32.074 [SPEAKER_00]: And I always appreciate you tuning in every single week. 18:32.814 --> 18:36.355 [SPEAKER_00]: And with that, I will see you all next week for another episode.