WEBVTT 00:08.735 --> 00:22.521 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome everybody to Hollywood Godfather podcast, who we are again, the three Amigos, had put you really my co-writer and co-hosts. 00:33.686 --> 01:00.831 [SPEAKER_03]: hello how are we doing all right well this is part of our mentor series and we're really excited about this guy i don't know how i waited so long to not have him on soon up with some of the greats that we've had on before but i'm talking about a man who was so influential in my life early early on i met him in you know with well let's get into it first of all his name is curt cacorion 01:01.893 --> 01:13.077 [SPEAKER_03]: He's not the typical name out of Vegas that you know, like a Steve Winner, Myolanski, or Modellin, and go on and on and on. 01:13.717 --> 01:20.599 [SPEAKER_03]: He became the fair hair boy, and became a self-made millionaire billionaire. 01:21.319 --> 01:28.401 [SPEAKER_03]: And when everybody liked about him in Vegas, he had no mob ties, none, that they could 01:31.162 --> 01:43.611 [SPEAKER_03]: But I met him with building cattlemen early on, who were on the El Rancho, and what's interesting about him, self-curt, Kurt loves the gamble. 01:44.472 --> 01:56.420 [SPEAKER_03]: Most owners don't, but he was a big player, got enamored with the game, lived in California, and he opened his first mega hotel in 1969. 02:00.457 --> 02:04.319 [SPEAKER_03]: Pat, give him a little background on the sky of him. 02:04.379 --> 02:06.060 [SPEAKER_02]: I was fascinated by this guy. 02:06.140 --> 02:10.062 [SPEAKER_02]: Usually these Vegas characters, they all fit in the same mold. 02:10.802 --> 02:14.664 [SPEAKER_02]: But as you said, Johnny, this guy wasn't connected. 02:15.485 --> 02:25.010 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a self-made man born in 1917 at the beginning of World War II. 02:25.410 --> 02:26.511 [SPEAKER_02]: We weren't in it yet. 02:27.855 --> 02:33.558 [SPEAKER_02]: Hitler that invaded the Poland, France, et cetera, Austria, et cetera, Austria, et cetera. 02:33.598 --> 02:42.503 [SPEAKER_02]: Kirk McCorion saw that this was going to expand into a much larger war, and he knew that the United States was going to get involved in it. 02:43.363 --> 02:44.804 [SPEAKER_02]: And he would draft age. 02:44.864 --> 02:46.505 [SPEAKER_02]: He was in his early twenties that. 02:47.706 --> 02:54.189 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was thinking clearly when he said to himself, I don't want to be an infantry. 02:54.529 --> 02:55.730 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to learn how to fly. 02:57.076 --> 03:03.298 [SPEAKER_02]: So within six months, he had a commercial pilot's license. 03:04.038 --> 03:06.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's saying something. 03:06.359 --> 03:21.643 [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't that he wanted to avoid war because as soon as he got the license, he volunteered to fly Canadian fighter planes from Canada to Scotland for use by the Royal Air Force. 03:26.902 --> 03:42.686 [SPEAKER_02]: If you'll tank a facility, only got you 1,400 miles, and the trip directly was 2,200 miles, which means you would go splash into the Atlantic, but you'd run out of juice. 03:43.247 --> 03:48.528 [SPEAKER_02]: It was an alternate route to take a safe route. 03:56.778 --> 04:05.481 [SPEAKER_02]: Greenland, the Iceland, and then Scotland, and all along the way, you can refuel, but he didn't want to do that. 04:05.921 --> 04:15.765 [SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to fly directly, and he felt if he got to a high enough altitude and caught a jet stream, he could make it not stop. 04:15.785 --> 04:16.585 [SPEAKER_02]: This was his theory. 04:16.845 --> 04:17.545 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding? 04:18.186 --> 04:19.026 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm not kidding. 04:19.406 --> 04:23.007 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was called, his group was called the Iceland Wave. 04:24.408 --> 04:24.508 [SPEAKER_02]: And 04:26.685 --> 04:34.848 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, the Canadians were paying $1,000 for a successful flight over to Scotland. 04:36.689 --> 04:41.291 [SPEAKER_02]: He'd made 33 of them without any problems. 04:41.751 --> 04:51.615 [SPEAKER_02]: He always caught the wave and they split this out, these statistics were 140 planes that didn't make it. 04:53.555 --> 05:10.467 [SPEAKER_02]: But when he got into the 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 30 05:20.770 --> 05:29.255 [SPEAKER_02]: And he worked as a general aviation pilot, fearing cargo, this was after the war. 05:30.316 --> 05:36.059 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he went to Vegas in 1944, and he fell in love with the place. 05:36.640 --> 05:41.383 [SPEAKER_02]: He claims that he was only there as short time and he quit gambling. 05:41.503 --> 05:42.443 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that true, Johnny? 05:43.244 --> 05:44.104 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that. 05:44.265 --> 05:46.466 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I knew he was heavy gambling. 05:46.686 --> 05:48.247 [SPEAKER_03]: He had a reputation as a gambling. 05:48.883 --> 05:49.964 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what he claimed. 05:49.984 --> 05:51.905 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe when he made a lot of money, he went back to it. 05:52.505 --> 06:00.470 [SPEAKER_02]: But he bought a fludging charter air service that flew from LA to Las Vegas 1947. 06:00.570 --> 06:03.152 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Trans International Airlines. 06:03.192 --> 06:05.773 [SPEAKER_02]: He paid $60,000 for the entire airline. 06:06.814 --> 06:07.615 [SPEAKER_02]: And by 68. 06:09.391 --> 06:11.232 [SPEAKER_02]: He sold it for $100 to $4 million. 06:11.272 --> 06:14.273 [SPEAKER_02]: It was still a charter airline and it was still gone from LA to Vegas. 06:14.993 --> 06:17.134 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was a good return on his dollar. 06:17.374 --> 06:18.794 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would think, Jesus. 06:19.155 --> 06:20.955 [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds like something Megan would do. 06:23.276 --> 06:26.637 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was truly a self-made man. 06:26.677 --> 06:27.738 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't come from money. 06:28.178 --> 06:29.258 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have any money. 06:29.518 --> 06:34.140 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the pay for his commercial license, the person who torn him on the farm, 06:35.317 --> 06:39.018 [SPEAKER_02]: The pay for his flying lessons, he milked cows. 06:39.358 --> 06:40.058 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, yep. 06:40.618 --> 06:41.218 [SPEAKER_02]: We paid for them. 06:42.198 --> 06:45.739 [SPEAKER_02]: So by 1964, he's worth $104 million. 06:47.299 --> 06:51.700 [SPEAKER_02]: In load Vegas, he decides he's going to buy land. 06:52.580 --> 06:54.860 [SPEAKER_02]: Was on that land, hotels were going to be built. 06:56.261 --> 06:57.181 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 06:57.401 --> 07:01.081 [SPEAKER_02]: The hotels were basically leasing the land from Cricordian. 07:05.433 --> 07:11.996 [SPEAKER_02]: But he bought 80 acres in Las Vegas across from the Flemengo, the $960,000, 80 acres. 07:12.196 --> 07:13.957 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. 07:14.257 --> 07:15.738 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what's so funny about that? 07:16.198 --> 07:20.960 [SPEAKER_03]: He thought I was following him, because I bought the 23 acres behind it. 07:22.201 --> 07:25.343 [SPEAKER_03]: He owned the strip from Flemengo to drop a canner. 07:26.523 --> 07:27.744 [SPEAKER_02]: What game was that you bought this night? 07:27.884 --> 07:28.164 [SPEAKER_03]: And 65. 07:28.264 --> 07:29.945 [SPEAKER_02]: Why did it cost you? 07:30.025 --> 07:30.745 [SPEAKER_02]: 1500 in the maker. 07:35.237 --> 07:36.458 [SPEAKER_02]: dirt sheet packing a day. 07:36.878 --> 07:51.487 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he leases this $960,000 acreage to people who are building seasons, building the seasons palace, and the people who own seasons at the time, you know better than I would and what that would be. 07:51.707 --> 07:52.488 [SPEAKER_03]: Was Al Malnick? 07:52.788 --> 07:53.128 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello. 07:53.909 --> 07:57.531 [SPEAKER_02]: The rent of the land from Victorian. 07:57.911 --> 08:00.573 [SPEAKER_02]: The rent of the eventual sale of the land to season 08:04.603 --> 08:06.745 [SPEAKER_02]: He kept on building and building and building. 08:07.665 --> 08:09.947 [SPEAKER_02]: And he built the International Hotel. 08:10.427 --> 08:12.108 [SPEAKER_03]: That was his first one in 1969. 08:12.709 --> 08:14.230 [SPEAKER_03]: The biggest hotel ever. 08:15.351 --> 08:16.371 [SPEAKER_02]: You spoke about this. 08:17.732 --> 08:32.043 [SPEAKER_02]: His first two performers at the hotel, where Barbara Streisand and Elvis Presley, and for the people who don't know how Streisand made a lot of money on that deal, much as you share that with us. 08:32.652 --> 08:49.103 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what happened was that she was getting $50,000, $25,000 a week at the time, and I happened to know her a manager, and the international stock being at the hotel wasn't open yet, was only trading at $5. 08:50.424 --> 08:53.666 [SPEAKER_03]: So I said to her manager, I said, why are you taking the money? 08:53.706 --> 08:54.626 [SPEAKER_03]: She didn't need the money. 08:54.646 --> 08:58.109 [SPEAKER_03]: She made your star ready, and so was Elvis. 09:02.207 --> 09:15.617 [SPEAKER_03]: I think some of them took some cash, some stock, but why it was so successful even and lucrative for them was by August, the stock was that $25 and went to $50. 09:16.117 --> 09:24.323 [SPEAKER_03]: And they got it at a $5 or a $5 start buying a share. 09:24.943 --> 09:26.564 [SPEAKER_03]: So you can imagine if they took the $50,000, 09:28.002 --> 09:32.103 [SPEAKER_03]: they would have, you know, a thousand shares of stock. 09:32.243 --> 09:38.064 [SPEAKER_02]: It was Bob Streisand was so grateful to you that she shared that money, I'm sure. 09:38.364 --> 09:40.685 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, she just said thank you. 09:42.985 --> 09:50.707 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, you get these two international stars as soon as the hotel opened, Streisand and President. 09:51.407 --> 09:54.568 [SPEAKER_02]: They packed the room, this is a huge hotel. 09:54.748 --> 09:55.908 [SPEAKER_02]: They packed the room. 09:56.521 --> 09:59.223 [SPEAKER_02]: and brought it 4200 customers for every show. 09:59.583 --> 09:59.824 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 10:00.364 --> 10:17.798 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, the interesting thing is, most people don't know this in our audience, to most showrooms, including, even seizes, as you mentioned, in the corporate room, even in Las Vegas, the Sands, it sat max 460 people. 10:18.358 --> 10:22.321 [SPEAKER_03]: This showroom, he built it, he's on the biggest showroom. 10:26.376 --> 10:52.757 [SPEAKER_03]: and he packed it like you said he brought him forty two hundred people a night it was shows that that he shows a night I know it's insane eight o'clock in minute and I was at most of those shows because like you know I was in my thirties and making all kinds of money which confused so many people but I wanted to be there and hanging out with them guys not so I got a great friendship with Elvis but I mean at the three major hotels the guy built a 10:56.530 --> 11:14.455 [SPEAKER_02]: He brought the blind the flamingo and both the flamingo and the international was sold to the Hilton hotels corporation and later renamed Las Vegas Silton and the flamingo held in which makes sense. 11:15.235 --> 11:23.597 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if people have ever heard of Kirk, you know, he was known building hotels buying land, but he also bought 11:25.517 --> 11:44.270 [SPEAKER_02]: movie studios it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam it's a jam 11:47.140 --> 12:09.485 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it was huge and the interesting thing about that in that same time period when he opened that I I went for my use permit for my first hotel, I was like 33 34 years of age and nobody knew me and I did not want the connection of mom and all that so I hired like Grant Sawyer 12:10.010 --> 12:18.514 [SPEAKER_03]: who was the ex-governor as my advisor in the legal team that a law firm called Lionel, Sawyer, and Collins. 12:19.194 --> 12:22.295 [SPEAKER_03]: There were all dignitaries and lawyers. 12:23.056 --> 12:26.037 [SPEAKER_03]: I hired them, and then I hired a Jeffrey Silva. 12:26.995 --> 12:35.078 [SPEAKER_03]: who was on the gaming board itself, what he left there as my advisor, because I wanted to everybody know. 12:35.958 --> 12:47.263 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I needed Kirk Cacorion's friendship and Jackie Gond, who owned the Barbara Coast on the opposite corner from Caesism, where we were. 12:47.983 --> 12:50.064 [SPEAKER_03]: And the Gond family were 12:51.263 --> 13:16.113 [SPEAKER_03]: basically cattlemen had a Texas and they owned everything downtown, but they wanted to get a, they owned that piece for a long time and they built there and then two brothers, the Domini brothers, their grandfather left them a lot of land and why I'm bringing this up is because I needed them like you, like if anything you want to do in your house, if you want to 13:20.918 --> 13:24.600 [SPEAKER_03]: because I was going with the 35-story hotel. 13:25.780 --> 13:28.841 [SPEAKER_03]: So I made myself, I knew Kurt was the guy to get to. 13:29.702 --> 13:35.444 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was in Beverly Hills all the time, and I used to bump into him all the time, and I was always nice to him, but goodbye. 13:36.404 --> 13:45.228 [SPEAKER_03]: And if early on, most people knew I was talking about a good friend of mine, and he owned LeBee's Strow. 13:49.051 --> 14:04.445 [SPEAKER_03]: I had a table there and I was at a table all the time, and that was the place to have lunch before Spaggo's open down the street, a Wolfgang Park opened the original Spaggo one, Sunset Boulevard, which was a night spot. 14:05.365 --> 14:09.929 [SPEAKER_03]: And Kirk Aquarians' office was on Canon Drive right up the block. 14:11.391 --> 14:16.175 [SPEAKER_03]: So he saw me every night, or every day, at lunch, at Laby Stroke. 14:17.192 --> 14:19.493 [SPEAKER_03]: And one day he came to me, I couldn't believe it. 14:20.393 --> 14:22.693 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is, you mind if I sit down with you, Mr. Russo? 14:22.773 --> 14:26.915 [SPEAKER_03]: I just please, I mean, that's an honor to have you sit down. 14:28.155 --> 14:35.857 [SPEAKER_03]: So he said to me, I got a letter from the Planning Commission of Clark County that you're going up for a license. 14:36.917 --> 14:40.418 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, yeah, he says, I find it very interesting. 14:41.158 --> 14:44.119 [SPEAKER_03]: It mentions nothing about finance, other than, 14:45.401 --> 15:09.258 [SPEAKER_03]: Perry Thomas the Valley Bank and he says you're building a very aggressive hotel 650 rooms I said yeah he's well are you going to be in competition with me as you know not at all I'm building all sweets my hotels all sweets I'm trying something new and he said well your budget is 54 million dollars 15:11.091 --> 15:15.454 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, yeah, he said, who's financing with you? 15:15.474 --> 15:17.615 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, I have private financing. 15:18.976 --> 15:34.547 [SPEAKER_03]: So with this knocked him out, and I got very close to the guy, and fortunately, he and all the surrounding neighbors, okay, and I went before the zoning board. 15:35.124 --> 15:45.937 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, we dug up an article that I shared with both you, and I thought that we'd have Megan read this because if I read it, it would seem so ecotistical. 15:46.257 --> 15:50.322 [SPEAKER_03]: It's an actual, give them the newspaper, the date, and the writer, and everything. 15:50.542 --> 15:51.643 [SPEAKER_03]: So they can look their stuff. 15:52.044 --> 15:53.125 [SPEAKER_03]: This is craziness. 15:53.545 --> 15:54.567 [SPEAKER_03]: So nuts I was. 15:55.267 --> 16:00.232 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was in the Las Vegas Sun on Wednesday, November 22nd, 1978. 16:00.533 --> 16:02.515 [SPEAKER_03]: But well, that's all I thought a minute. 16:02.735 --> 16:11.685 [SPEAKER_03]: November 22nd, 1978, that was 15 years to the day of John F. Kennedy's assassination. 16:12.325 --> 16:14.668 [SPEAKER_03]: And the people who read my book in Friends of Mine, 16:15.586 --> 16:18.008 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I left the country for two years. 16:18.349 --> 16:23.113 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm getting this kind of act of late on the anniversary of his death. 16:23.133 --> 16:24.395 [SPEAKER_03]: I couldn't believe it myself. 16:24.835 --> 16:29.099 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I thought that was an important part of my life. 16:30.641 --> 16:33.663 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an article titled, Use Permanent Request's Approved. 16:33.723 --> 16:36.746 [SPEAKER_01]: It was written by Gary Thompson, the son business writer. 16:37.187 --> 16:38.188 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll meet a read the article? 16:38.568 --> 16:40.430 [SPEAKER_03]: I would just a paragraph or two. 16:41.727 --> 16:59.940 [SPEAKER_01]: a young entrepreneur string to build a $54 million hotel casino here moved closer to fulfillment to say the board of county commissioners granted jian versus request for a use permit to build and operate a 650 room 23 story structure on a seven acre site at Harman Avenue and co-volve. 17:00.861 --> 17:01.502 [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy. 17:01.802 --> 17:07.046 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the opposite corner of Kirk Cocorpian and then I still 17:10.903 --> 17:18.850 [SPEAKER_03]: or more actually, you know, yeah, no, I had 15 more acres that were going towards Flamingo. 17:19.891 --> 17:28.799 [SPEAKER_03]: And then when he built Bally's, I owned the property behind him on that too, which was, you know, bizarre for me, be by myself. 17:29.480 --> 17:32.783 [SPEAKER_02]: But there was more than enough business, more than enough room. 17:33.123 --> 17:35.305 [SPEAKER_02]: There's many hotels that you wanted to put up back then. 17:35.565 --> 17:37.087 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God, you know. 17:37.931 --> 18:04.848 [SPEAKER_02]: the mgm grand was the largest hotel in the world at the time at more square footage than the empire state building and you're building next to it and uh... the biggest and that's when i was going at you know it was going to be later in the seventies but uh... i would tell us why open at it's constant construction yeah fortunately but you know it was to end then to watch him 18:05.643 --> 18:14.606 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and have them as a friend and a mentor, and I got really close to his old assistant Rose, and because I was a backgammon play, and she knew that. 18:15.046 --> 18:18.967 [SPEAKER_03]: So she used to come by all the time, would play backgammon, and that's that and the other. 18:19.427 --> 18:23.229 [SPEAKER_03]: And a mutual friend to her is Karen, another on meaning. 18:23.249 --> 18:24.829 [SPEAKER_03]: They only hung out with her on meanings. 18:25.189 --> 18:27.650 [SPEAKER_03]: I loved the loyalty they had. 18:28.270 --> 18:30.731 [SPEAKER_02]: But what's the kind of identity, isn't it? 18:30.771 --> 18:32.672 [SPEAKER_03]: The kidding, it was like their own click. 18:33.898 --> 18:44.684 [SPEAKER_03]: But when I opened State Street, Rose was living on the Las Vegas Country Club right down the block between her brothers international and me building State Street. 18:45.524 --> 18:55.589 [SPEAKER_03]: And he came in and he said to me, are you following me around, I said, no, he said, how come you open this place? 18:55.669 --> 19:00.392 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, are you open because it had an opportunity to get a grandfather license? 19:03.696 --> 19:05.477 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, yeah, but it's grandfathered in. 19:05.537 --> 19:07.599 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need 150 rooms. 19:08.519 --> 19:09.860 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to put a casino in. 19:11.201 --> 19:14.564 [SPEAKER_03]: So with that, again, he found me very amusing. 19:15.144 --> 19:17.626 [SPEAKER_03]: And his sister always was talking about me. 19:18.106 --> 19:29.054 [SPEAKER_03]: So I actually put on many industries on state streets, menu, and eventually put vegan dishes early on in the 80s, 19:32.130 --> 19:35.851 [SPEAKER_03]: Her brother became a vegan, and our audience don't know this. 19:36.431 --> 19:45.692 [SPEAKER_03]: This been died in 98 just a few years ago, played tennis three or four sets a day until he was 96. 19:46.453 --> 19:50.733 [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, this guy is responsible for three mega hotels. 19:51.574 --> 19:55.974 [SPEAKER_03]: And he really took the time out to talk to me about so many things. 19:56.755 --> 19:59.255 [SPEAKER_03]: And then when I got into the Godfather that I blew him away. 20:02.952 --> 20:11.997 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's crazy, what he's done and how many people and how nice he's been to so many people. 20:12.517 --> 20:20.082 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't know if he went into any of his philanthropic words, but he had a little problem. 20:20.822 --> 20:22.063 [SPEAKER_02]: He was making too much money. 20:23.584 --> 20:28.226 [SPEAKER_02]: So he decided, in addition to buying MGM, he bought Columbia Pictures. 20:29.962 --> 20:39.706 [SPEAKER_02]: So he couldn't be in competition with himself, the feds sued him on that the federal anti-trust law for owning two major studios. 20:40.926 --> 20:42.127 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I didn't have that. 20:43.927 --> 20:51.250 [SPEAKER_02]: He, uh, he lost that I believe, uh, or he, he combined it to is what he did. 20:51.310 --> 20:57.252 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he combined them because he merged the licensing of film long before. 20:57.940 --> 21:04.383 [SPEAKER_03]: people realized that we're going to be streaming, that we're going to, I mean, just the video business. 21:05.184 --> 21:07.425 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think he made blockbuster. 21:07.725 --> 21:09.646 [SPEAKER_03]: He must have had 40% of the library. 21:10.146 --> 21:14.188 [SPEAKER_03]: He still owns the whole rocky series. 21:15.329 --> 21:17.710 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what his library was. 21:18.170 --> 21:19.771 [SPEAKER_03]: And then there was this young genius. 21:20.031 --> 21:20.992 [SPEAKER_03]: He had two daughters. 21:22.176 --> 21:46.375 [SPEAKER_03]: Trish and Linda, and Tracy is a real name, but he used to call it Trish, and that's why the company's called Trishinda It's for all lettuce, our first name, and for all the last of Linda and he wanted a son of the worst way And he said to me once, maybe he was hallucinating, he said, why don't you marry one of my daughters? 21:47.195 --> 21:48.917 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, which one don't you like? 21:50.989 --> 21:57.979 [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you want me as a son of a nut, you know, I'm in my 30s only and he said, no, no, I'm here. 21:58.039 --> 22:03.827 [SPEAKER_03]: I just have to have a grandson who long story should he never had a son, never have a grandson. 22:04.628 --> 22:11.333 [SPEAKER_03]: And he found a guy that I became very close to, stole a knife to Alex, him and Eugen. 22:12.533 --> 22:15.415 [SPEAKER_03]: And he was going through problems with bookkeepers and all that. 22:15.996 --> 22:24.361 [SPEAKER_03]: And he knew about Alex, and I knew about Alex, owning a bookkeeping firm in the valley of California. 22:25.562 --> 22:27.123 [SPEAKER_03]: So we had a meeting with him. 22:28.025 --> 22:29.925 [SPEAKER_03]: And Alex, I mean, you got to see this guy. 22:29.945 --> 22:33.846 [SPEAKER_03]: You look like Roodle Valentino in his day, very smart. 22:34.607 --> 22:36.507 [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, I want to buy your company. 22:36.547 --> 22:37.767 [SPEAKER_03]: He's not want to sell my company. 22:38.828 --> 22:44.269 [SPEAKER_03]: So all of a sudden, blind bidders started bidding on Alex's company. 22:45.549 --> 22:49.730 [SPEAKER_03]: And he wound up selling it for 20 times its value. 22:50.630 --> 22:51.771 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was Kirk McCorring. 22:52.051 --> 22:53.191 [SPEAKER_03]: He had to get the guy. 22:54.011 --> 22:57.012 [SPEAKER_03]: And to this day, he made that guy a billion here. 22:57.758 --> 23:16.598 [SPEAKER_03]: Alex Jim and Egypt but I'm beautiful guy but I mean I'm just trying to illustrate how giving he was I mean he wasn't a cheap he he was very conservative he drove his own Ford car never had bodyguards never had an entourage and I used to have lunch with them 23:17.475 --> 23:25.559 [SPEAKER_03]: Every Friday until his death, or till he got sick, maybe a year or two prior that he wasn't going out as much. 23:25.959 --> 23:32.882 [SPEAKER_03]: But every Friday he had a table at Spagos, now on Cannes Drive, and he held court. 23:33.563 --> 23:44.968 [SPEAKER_03]: And if he knew you, he'd wade you over, and if he didn't wade you over and you started approaching the table, you know, the waiters and management knew to keep people away from him. 23:45.860 --> 24:09.891 [SPEAKER_03]: but this guy was so generous and Tracinda's office to my understanding is still in Beverly Hills right down the street between LeBee Stro and Spagos, talk about a man who's just, you know, he's methodically everything he does. 24:10.631 --> 24:11.752 [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you ask you this? 24:12.978 --> 24:17.240 [SPEAKER_02]: This he died, is his empire still of the family run operation? 24:17.760 --> 24:20.161 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, he's set it up in so many trusts. 24:20.502 --> 24:25.924 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, a lot of it is overseen still by Alexandria, Manigian. 24:26.004 --> 24:28.706 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who else became confidence with him. 24:29.726 --> 24:35.469 [SPEAKER_03]: And because, you know, I lost track of it, when it's a close state street and moved on to so many other things. 24:37.130 --> 24:39.951 [SPEAKER_03]: But I always kept in touch with Rose until she passed on. 24:40.703 --> 24:53.890 [SPEAKER_03]: And then, like, everything else in life, when you're not in the same neighborhood and doing the same thing, and the repetitious situation that he was doing, I lost track of him. 24:53.970 --> 24:59.132 [SPEAKER_03]: I used to see Alex, you used to have an annual meeting here in New York with bankers. 24:59.753 --> 25:02.354 [SPEAKER_03]: So we always had dinner, and I still love the guy. 25:02.654 --> 25:09.198 [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, Alex and his son, his youngest son, who was in his 20s, they bought the tropical 25:10.842 --> 25:32.701 [SPEAKER_03]: which again goes full circle to me, goes early on in one of our shows, Frank Costello and Joe Kennedy on that, and that's when I opened my club called Tiffany's, and had Elvis open it for me, and I got to know Elvis because of Kirk McCorion, when he was over there staying in sweet 3000, 25:34.223 --> 25:48.493 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, I mean, it just went full circle indirectly and directly with Kirk McCorring and having something to do with it, because if he didn't approve me as a neighbor, with all the acreage he had to sign off on. 25:49.194 --> 25:58.580 [SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, as we all know, or don't know, planning boards and commissioners, and I know that commissioners' name had a can't believe it. 25:59.241 --> 26:00.702 [SPEAKER_03]: They had done dyro. 26:02.053 --> 26:05.155 [SPEAKER_03]: She was the commission in our area in Clark County. 26:05.975 --> 26:11.698 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how much money him, Steve, when everybody else contributed to her. 26:11.718 --> 26:16.420 [SPEAKER_03]: But I didn't give anything to that one, but because I wasn't doing anything, and I had raw land. 26:17.281 --> 26:30.828 [SPEAKER_03]: But I think he was very instrumental in behind the scenes of me getting as much as I did get early on because like you pointed out, there was no, I had the only license 26:31.657 --> 26:32.838 [SPEAKER_03]: This is going to knock you out. 26:33.418 --> 26:40.745 [SPEAKER_03]: I had the only gaming license 100% owned by an Italian in the state in Nevada. 26:42.866 --> 27:00.641 [SPEAKER_03]: And when I went before the gaming board, I sat with him and I sat with a couple other people that I mentioned earlier and they gave me a couple of ideas and again, if they didn't give me these ideas first, the gaming commission, all these 27:01.312 --> 27:15.604 [SPEAKER_03]: very wasp in the moment people were ready to eat me up and when they had my gaming board what you have to go, you're in first of all to let our audience know you pay for your investigation. 27:16.635 --> 27:26.303 [SPEAKER_03]: So, there's people have to fly to New York, you pay for it, you pay for the investigation, you pay for it, all the legal, and that's what they do. 27:26.743 --> 27:30.346 [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't know until they rule you'll get it or not. 27:30.787 --> 27:42.536 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't get your money back, you can't write it or if you can't do it, and so they're really putting your back against the wall, and you have to build your casino so they can inspect it. 27:43.797 --> 27:49.019 [SPEAKER_03]: They really try and put it in a situation that you better know what you're doing. 27:50.460 --> 27:53.341 [SPEAKER_02]: So you'll be like a scene or before they grant you a license. 27:53.401 --> 27:53.662 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 27:54.802 --> 27:55.342 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that wild? 27:56.043 --> 27:56.663 [SPEAKER_02]: It's screwed. 27:57.183 --> 27:57.383 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. 27:58.544 --> 27:59.024 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great. 28:01.385 --> 28:01.725 [SPEAKER_03]: Was that? 28:02.406 --> 28:03.706 [SPEAKER_02]: Did that ever happen to anybody? 28:04.186 --> 28:05.807 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it almost happened to Steve Winne. 28:06.167 --> 28:08.689 [SPEAKER_03]: Because Steve Winne was opening Bilagio. 28:09.529 --> 28:11.390 [SPEAKER_03]: And he had two people on his team. 28:12.241 --> 28:28.493 [SPEAKER_03]: that under investigation, and one of them was a very close friend of mine, but I won't mention his name, but he got caught into a situation, and they were kind of licensed them for that reason, and they were ready to open, it's like two weeks. 28:28.914 --> 28:33.117 [SPEAKER_03]: So Steve came to me, he said, you have a game and I said, yeah, he said, would you step in? 28:34.398 --> 28:45.447 [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, yeah, of course, two of you get, yeah, no problem, because they needed that other person me having a license improved, but then it all worked out. 28:45.527 --> 28:49.250 [SPEAKER_03]: But now that's what's crazy about it. 28:49.890 --> 28:51.671 [SPEAKER_03]: So I said to myself, you know what? 28:51.772 --> 28:54.954 [SPEAKER_03]: And I listed to all of these guys who got their licenses. 28:55.835 --> 29:03.921 [SPEAKER_03]: And before they opened the hearing on me, I said, man, approach all the chairman before we go on record. 29:05.058 --> 29:09.739 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I know where they went, I knew everybody was telling me, you know, they were going game and commission. 29:10.079 --> 29:15.720 [SPEAKER_03]: Guys, we're here and asking questions about Chicago, Kansas City everywhere. 29:16.480 --> 29:21.181 [SPEAKER_03]: So I approached them and hopefully got my fingers crossed that this would work. 29:22.081 --> 29:24.401 [SPEAKER_03]: I should gentlemen and ladies on the board. 29:24.441 --> 29:27.802 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to waste your time, but I want to be upfront with you. 29:29.022 --> 29:33.823 [SPEAKER_03]: I know every mobster there is from Italy to New York. 29:35.087 --> 29:36.108 [SPEAKER_03]: It was my lifestyle. 29:36.508 --> 29:38.450 [SPEAKER_03]: I made gangster movies, you will know that. 29:39.111 --> 29:43.834 [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm from a town called New York City. 29:44.675 --> 29:47.638 [SPEAKER_03]: And Cologamino, I know him as my uncle, as then. 29:48.358 --> 29:52.101 [SPEAKER_03]: I said, so I'm willing to risk this. 29:52.782 --> 30:00.248 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll put up a million dollar bond non-refundable for a one-year temporary license. 30:02.432 --> 30:07.617 [SPEAKER_03]: And if I fail, you got the being in dollars, and you could even take my place. 30:08.237 --> 30:12.541 [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's not worth anything to be without the casino. 30:13.843 --> 30:17.846 [SPEAKER_03]: They all looked at each other, and they gave me the license. 30:17.886 --> 30:18.347 [SPEAKER_03]: Why not? 30:19.568 --> 30:23.171 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but normally, you know, they would say, what's this guy got to hide? 30:23.852 --> 30:25.633 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, I gave you $1 million, non-pundable. 30:28.487 --> 30:37.789 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think if I did that, I already got it because you need an anonymous vote on this and there was a lot of people up there that I knew out for the kill. 30:38.589 --> 30:42.990 [SPEAKER_03]: But the million dollars going to Claude County, it was a lot of money. 30:43.510 --> 30:48.791 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you gave them an offer that couldn't be fields, I just think that's a good phrase, I may use that. 30:48.831 --> 30:49.552 [SPEAKER_02]: You're right that down. 30:49.772 --> 30:51.732 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to write that down. 30:52.152 --> 30:55.513 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know what the interesting thing is, when you see who advised me, 30:56.528 --> 31:12.732 [SPEAKER_03]: had an Armenian, the Dominion brothers, two Jewish people, I had Stephen Jewish, and then I had a bunch of cattlemen from Texas, called the Binions, and the gums. 31:13.392 --> 31:16.373 [SPEAKER_03]: They owned everything down town, but they just loved me. 31:17.093 --> 31:20.634 [SPEAKER_03]: I was like an enigma to them, say, where is this could get this money from? 31:21.254 --> 31:24.575 [SPEAKER_03]: But it all went through the valley bank, which was a Mormon bank. 31:25.493 --> 31:29.674 [SPEAKER_03]: in Salt Lake City, so, I must be. 31:32.915 --> 31:37.177 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, people realized he wasn't only involved in Vegas. 31:37.597 --> 31:39.177 [SPEAKER_02]: He tried to take over Chrysler. 31:39.878 --> 31:40.418 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 31:40.458 --> 31:42.358 [SPEAKER_03]: He almost did a good job of it, too. 31:42.378 --> 31:43.039 [SPEAKER_02]: He almost did it. 31:43.339 --> 31:44.719 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a hostile take over. 31:45.939 --> 31:50.801 [SPEAKER_02]: And he got a lot of heat from Chrysler's management that he decided to back off. 31:51.718 --> 31:54.780 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, but then he went after Ford two for a minute. 31:55.140 --> 31:56.640 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he went after Ford two. 31:56.660 --> 32:03.104 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you you hear these things and you say well he probably not a very popular guy, but just the opposite everybody's love this guy. 32:03.144 --> 32:04.244 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the guy. 32:04.484 --> 32:06.165 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're talking about here is just business. 32:06.826 --> 32:08.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was very personal. 32:08.486 --> 32:11.628 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like a how would use that had a personality. 32:12.581 --> 32:13.842 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, everybody, everybody liked it. 32:13.882 --> 32:14.882 [SPEAKER_02]: I've very approachable guy. 32:15.363 --> 32:20.585 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, how I'd use that's what we get into that someday we have to because how we'd use it was so controlled. 32:21.026 --> 32:27.129 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, when he started getting into Vegas, he was already strung out on heroin, not that he wanted to be. 32:27.910 --> 32:41.417 [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, another point we should say, that in one time early on this man, Forbes magazine, listed him in the world, 32:42.562 --> 32:49.226 [SPEAKER_03]: as the 31st richest man in the world, you had $15 billion. 32:49.586 --> 32:53.428 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know any. 32:53.648 --> 32:56.349 [SPEAKER_03]: 15 billion by buying one airplane. 32:56.610 --> 33:02.833 [SPEAKER_03]: So if any of our people out there, young adventurers, the guy invested $5,000. 33:05.573 --> 33:06.254 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at that. 33:06.634 --> 33:07.314 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what he did. 33:07.334 --> 33:07.894 [SPEAKER_03]: It was like that. 33:07.914 --> 33:09.655 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's turned into 100 to 4 million. 33:09.896 --> 33:10.136 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 33:10.816 --> 33:11.697 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a testament. 33:12.317 --> 33:12.857 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. 33:13.618 --> 33:13.838 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 33:14.658 --> 33:16.179 [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, it can be done. 33:16.199 --> 33:16.800 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, headlight. 33:17.540 --> 33:20.782 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, he's the true definition of the American dream, I think. 33:21.202 --> 33:21.742 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll say. 33:23.143 --> 33:23.463 [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway. 33:23.944 --> 33:26.365 [SPEAKER_03]: Megara, what do you think anything to add, darling? 33:26.973 --> 33:39.204 [SPEAKER_01]: I was about to ask you were you around so I heard what was said to be one of the worst disasters in Vegas was the mgm grand fire oh my god, yeah, I was there It was a ballies at the time. 33:39.604 --> 33:42.406 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know it turned into ballies at that. 33:42.506 --> 33:54.877 [SPEAKER_03]: The mgm grand fire was the good news about that fire most of it was smoked damage but people were literally the gaming people would 33:55.626 --> 34:03.292 [SPEAKER_03]: laying on the tables, and players, degenerate gamblers were swallowing the chips. 34:03.312 --> 34:21.587 [SPEAKER_03]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 34:22.367 --> 34:24.628 [SPEAKER_02]: And you say both of those only smoke type of smoke damage. 34:25.089 --> 34:28.030 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, first of all, it's a smoke damage killed 83 people. 34:28.371 --> 34:28.671 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 34:29.351 --> 34:30.752 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the fire that gets you. 34:30.932 --> 34:32.733 [SPEAKER_02]: You're very, really burned to death in a fire. 34:32.973 --> 34:33.233 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 34:33.333 --> 34:34.874 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a smoke and you die. 34:35.314 --> 34:36.975 [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, he was reopened in a month. 34:37.276 --> 34:38.436 [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, they stripped it out 24-7. 34:40.347 --> 34:45.872 [SPEAKER_03]: It took everything that could hold an older, rugs, padding, drapes. 34:46.432 --> 34:51.797 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but the guy has the money, you know, it's wild when you think of what he has done. 34:53.718 --> 34:56.200 [SPEAKER_03]: And somehow, some way, my memory serves me right. 34:56.701 --> 35:01.185 [SPEAKER_03]: He put a fund together to compensate those people and their families. 35:02.766 --> 35:04.628 [SPEAKER_03]: Before the insurance company even stepped in. 35:05.568 --> 35:07.070 [SPEAKER_02]: But man, ought to fight. 35:09.322 --> 35:10.944 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it's time to go to mail back. 35:11.885 --> 35:12.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:13.026 --> 35:14.087 [SPEAKER_03]: Are we all right, Megan? 35:14.728 --> 35:15.669 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, absolutely. 35:15.689 --> 35:16.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to it. 35:16.630 --> 35:17.111 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, please. 35:17.491 --> 35:18.793 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go and make some money first. 35:18.853 --> 35:20.515 [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be right back, my darling. 35:23.517 --> 35:28.020 [SPEAKER_03]: Today's show is being sponsored by Codely-owned fine Italian food products. 35:28.340 --> 35:30.241 [SPEAKER_03]: This sponsor really means a lot to me. 35:30.882 --> 35:42.690 [SPEAKER_03]: Codely-owned fine Italian has taken the hot and soul of the Godfather films and created a line of food products that include pasta sauce, palsanic vinegar from Modena Italy. 35:43.330 --> 35:46.192 [SPEAKER_03]: Genko extro virgin olive oil from Sicily. 35:46.692 --> 35:48.714 [SPEAKER_03]: They created delicious pasta sources. 35:49.174 --> 35:54.798 [SPEAKER_03]: Modern hog to made a basil, arrabiato, and my favorite Clemens' meat sauce. 35:55.279 --> 35:56.319 [SPEAKER_03]: You will be amazed. 35:56.600 --> 35:58.941 [SPEAKER_03]: You will think your grandma to made the sauce yourself. 35:59.321 --> 36:01.703 [SPEAKER_03]: Koleonfinetayan.com. 36:02.083 --> 36:05.146 [SPEAKER_03]: That's Koleonfinetayan.com. 36:07.447 --> 36:08.288 [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, we're back. 36:11.225 --> 36:11.925 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to it. 36:11.965 --> 36:14.627 [SPEAKER_01]: First question I have is from Benny. 36:15.147 --> 36:16.127 [SPEAKER_01]: Benny says Gianni. 36:16.167 --> 36:20.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for answering my question last episode on Jimmy Wipow. 36:20.549 --> 36:29.953 [SPEAKER_01]: I was curious if you could talk about more stories on Grippo, if any, and stories on Tony Giorgio, who was also a magician and your co-star in the godfather. 36:30.294 --> 36:30.874 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you again. 36:30.914 --> 36:35.156 [SPEAKER_01]: Would love to hear an episode in a few drawn magicians in the mob, loving the show as always. 36:36.453 --> 36:48.917 [SPEAKER_03]: Well Jimmy Gripper was the guy I really knew because of my time I spent at Seasons and he was an in-house where they called them table-side magicians. 36:49.477 --> 36:58.599 [SPEAKER_03]: So he had go to all the Guamera rooms, either way you were playing game, well they went to Baccarot, reshuffling six-deck sheet, coming to tricks for these people to scheme amused. 36:59.580 --> 37:00.640 [SPEAKER_03]: The man was amazing. 37:00.680 --> 37:01.860 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he was an illusionist. 37:02.721 --> 37:03.881 [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, 37:05.199 --> 37:13.421 [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I remember I had my daughter, G, is first holy communion at, at Caesar's palace. 37:13.441 --> 37:17.162 [SPEAKER_03]: I took over the Bocconon room during the day because it's right after the bass. 37:17.842 --> 37:27.064 [SPEAKER_03]: So I had her invite her schoolmates and the parents, and I took it over, and thank 37:30.982 --> 37:32.043 [SPEAKER_03]: It was only Gia. 37:32.063 --> 37:37.386 [SPEAKER_03]: I had her initials in the fountain in the middle, you know, like six-foot-high Gia. 37:38.406 --> 37:42.509 [SPEAKER_03]: And so, natural love, Gia, he met a poolside and all that, as a kid. 37:43.389 --> 37:44.650 [SPEAKER_03]: So, he saw what a good Gia would give. 37:44.990 --> 37:47.311 [SPEAKER_03]: He says, I said, but you don't have to do that. 37:47.532 --> 37:48.992 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to go to get what's 37:57.193 --> 37:58.154 [SPEAKER_03]: What are you going to do? 37:58.835 --> 38:00.737 [SPEAKER_03]: He had the cast of Happy Days. 38:01.457 --> 38:03.459 [SPEAKER_03]: Come to Jesus first of all in communion. 38:03.719 --> 38:04.820 [SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome. 38:05.541 --> 38:11.186 [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody flipped out the couldn't believe that Banzi and all these people sparkle. 38:11.606 --> 38:20.995 [SPEAKER_03]: But I'll tell you our generous Sonatra was to me when I went to get to check he paid for the check 100 and some people for lunch. 38:22.705 --> 38:26.488 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was very, I was not being fooled at all. 38:27.028 --> 38:29.510 [SPEAKER_03]: The preble cake of G.S. 38:29.550 --> 38:34.594 [SPEAKER_03]: thing was, I made you cake, but you could see through the pages and not hard. 38:34.994 --> 38:36.135 [SPEAKER_03]: How do I remember this guy? 38:36.275 --> 38:37.576 [SPEAKER_03]: He was the head baker there. 38:38.216 --> 38:41.899 [SPEAKER_03]: Not hard took about a week to do that cake. 38:42.879 --> 38:46.122 [SPEAKER_03]: But this story, you can't even, 38:47.424 --> 38:52.868 [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't tell anybody that and I still see so many guys, who was that guy, Pachi was his name? 38:53.489 --> 38:54.089 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it real name? 38:55.530 --> 38:55.850 [SPEAKER_02]: I see. 38:56.131 --> 38:57.532 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in that show. 38:58.132 --> 38:58.993 [SPEAKER_03]: Fancy. 38:59.193 --> 39:01.054 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, Fancy, I know him. 39:01.435 --> 39:02.856 [SPEAKER_03]: No, Pachi was like that. 39:03.216 --> 39:07.899 [SPEAKER_03]: Pachi, Pachi for some reason was the character, all the kids liked. 39:09.140 --> 39:11.762 [SPEAKER_03]: He was a dark kid, kid, nice good looking boy. 39:12.103 --> 39:12.723 [SPEAKER_02]: He's still around. 39:13.302 --> 39:14.763 [SPEAKER_03]: I know, but he sees me on the street. 39:15.383 --> 39:16.424 [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I've been ringing it up. 39:16.484 --> 39:17.565 [SPEAKER_03]: I can see me in Beverly Hills. 39:17.905 --> 39:20.146 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember you'd do this for a solid community. 39:20.226 --> 39:25.050 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not, oh, it's not just about buying David Longston roses, too, which is not everybody out. 39:25.910 --> 39:29.012 [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, I mean these stories you couldn't make them up, man. 39:29.172 --> 39:30.033 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't make them up. 39:30.333 --> 39:30.913 [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy. 39:32.194 --> 39:34.295 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's, but thank you, Ben. 39:34.696 --> 39:35.376 [SPEAKER_03]: Was that Ben? 39:35.416 --> 39:35.616 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 39:36.217 --> 39:36.697 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Ben. 39:36.877 --> 39:38.238 [SPEAKER_03]: That was a long answer, I'm sorry. 39:38.984 --> 39:40.805 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many people I've known answers. 39:41.765 --> 39:43.486 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, next is from Randy. 39:43.566 --> 39:49.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Randy says, I've been a loyal listener of your podcast, starting from episode number one, and I really enjoy listening to all of you each week. 39:50.048 --> 39:57.431 [SPEAKER_01]: I've always been fascinated with the mafia and enjoyed learning about all the crazy situations and encounters you've had with various people in the life and in Hollywood. 39:58.071 --> 40:01.533 [SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I am interested in knowing more about is your role with the Vatican. 40:01.613 --> 40:06.554 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you please explain how you became involved with the Vatican and their connections with the mafia? 40:06.654 --> 40:07.795 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep up the great work. 40:08.637 --> 40:09.057 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 40:09.558 --> 40:23.108 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's pretty well-known of a lot of people right now that by time this show is aired, 10 Cardinals have been indicted for something I was doing that was pretty much legitimate then. 40:23.508 --> 40:30.013 [SPEAKER_03]: I got involved with the Vatican, with my partner Nick Nity at a Chicago, and we were courier. 40:30.864 --> 40:39.506 [SPEAKER_03]: And we used to move a lot of money from the bottom to the Vatican, and then we'd invest it and it was an illegitimate business. 40:40.207 --> 40:43.567 [SPEAKER_03]: So I understood it, I don't know, but that's that. 40:43.687 --> 40:44.568 [SPEAKER_02]: Do that anymore. 40:44.608 --> 40:46.368 [SPEAKER_02]: There's another. 40:46.848 --> 40:49.489 [SPEAKER_03]: So I know how I got involved with this. 40:50.016 --> 40:51.737 [SPEAKER_03]: through the Pope's three different ones. 40:52.157 --> 41:12.930 [SPEAKER_03]: First John Paul, we did that for a long time, Nick and I, fortunately, so I'm sorry to see that's going down to where now the sophistication of electronics and the I heard from an FBI agent, it's the, I heard this right knows, true. 41:13.431 --> 41:15.592 [SPEAKER_03]: In all hundred all the bills is a micro, 41:16.109 --> 41:22.814 [SPEAKER_02]: thread into something, they could actually, there's a silk threads, but they didn't build the rubber. 41:23.194 --> 41:25.916 [SPEAKER_03]: No, but these can be activated as GPS. 41:27.317 --> 41:28.017 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you mean ships? 41:28.758 --> 41:30.379 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's in that thread that we're talking to. 41:30.399 --> 41:31.860 [SPEAKER_03]: There's one thread that's going through. 41:32.200 --> 41:33.781 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what they told me, so I don't know. 41:33.861 --> 41:36.163 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's how they watch it. 41:36.603 --> 41:39.786 [SPEAKER_02]: I would seem like it would cost more than the bill is worth. 41:40.286 --> 41:41.167 [SPEAKER_02]: That's technology. 41:41.287 --> 41:42.808 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, most of those bills do. 41:45.365 --> 41:50.638 [SPEAKER_03]: A dime today, they shouldn't be making because there's more silver in it than it's worth it. 41:51.319 --> 41:51.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:52.081 --> 41:53.264 [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy, but anyway. 41:54.026 --> 41:54.487 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, question. 41:55.380 --> 41:57.102 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, next is from Oscar. 41:57.943 --> 41:59.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello guys from Nashville, Tennessee. 41:59.685 --> 42:01.006 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready for the second time. 42:01.046 --> 42:08.033 [SPEAKER_01]: The first I made you guys laugh when I said your voice is mixing and mingling together was like the smell of honey suckle do on a summer evening. 42:08.173 --> 42:08.413 [SPEAKER_01]: Hello. 42:08.434 --> 42:10.255 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've worked on the tall land. 42:15.033 --> 42:26.315 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes on to say, I was wondering if you guys have a special saying that you try to live by or get a special meaning for them, just away from your friends, fans to gain a little insight. 42:26.535 --> 42:32.436 [SPEAKER_01]: As for me, I always liked, well, when I was a child, I acted as a child's book as a child, laughed as a child. 42:32.816 --> 42:37.017 [SPEAKER_01]: When I grew up, I gave up child as things, one Corinthians 1311. 42:37.617 --> 42:41.778 [SPEAKER_01]: Once again, I wish you all the best from my family to yours, God's feet, and God bless. 42:41.938 --> 42:42.358 [SPEAKER_01]: P.S. 42:42.478 --> 42:50.482 [SPEAKER_01]: tells Gianni, I've seen him the other night when I flipped through and seen him standing over his buddy Stephen Siddall in the pool hall standing up for justice. 42:50.502 --> 42:51.502 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, yeah. 42:52.443 --> 42:56.685 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think he's trying to convince us to use honey suckled dew. 42:59.957 --> 43:00.557 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 43:00.677 --> 43:04.459 [SPEAKER_02]: I have something that could be considered a saying. 43:05.379 --> 43:10.081 [SPEAKER_02]: I was advised, but I had, I was trying to write for years and years. 43:10.121 --> 43:13.522 [SPEAKER_02]: I had written three books, went nowhere, couldn't find an agent. 43:13.542 --> 43:15.623 [SPEAKER_02]: I was from there here. 43:15.643 --> 43:16.743 [SPEAKER_02]: I think my roof was going to cave in. 43:16.803 --> 43:23.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, the T1 Italian guy that my father knew back in the day, and he's going 95 years old. 43:24.966 --> 43:25.587 [SPEAKER_02]: He tells me, 43:30.141 --> 43:33.484 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, he pulled one here a story in his country. 43:33.504 --> 43:36.166 [SPEAKER_02]: They say, I'm going to tell you a story. 43:36.966 --> 43:40.069 [SPEAKER_02]: Italians, they say, you're not going to believe this shit. 43:43.511 --> 43:44.732 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the way you got to write. 43:45.073 --> 43:46.974 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the way you write. 43:47.114 --> 43:47.454 [SPEAKER_03]: Hello. 43:47.875 --> 43:48.395 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 43:48.655 --> 43:51.037 [SPEAKER_03]: But we can't do that on the radio. 43:53.039 --> 43:54.340 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the tag in saying. 43:54.460 --> 43:59.083 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if that's what the guy wrote the email is talking about. 43:59.184 --> 43:59.784 [SPEAKER_03]: That's funny. 44:00.350 --> 44:00.991 [SPEAKER_03]: Work for me. 44:01.011 --> 44:02.353 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 44:02.393 --> 44:03.774 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you have about you? 44:03.814 --> 44:05.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Any sayings you live by? 44:06.177 --> 44:08.460 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no. 44:08.560 --> 44:10.242 [SPEAKER_03]: I have so many sayings in them. 44:10.342 --> 44:10.983 [SPEAKER_03]: They changed. 44:11.664 --> 44:12.345 [SPEAKER_01]: What does it mean? 44:12.365 --> 44:12.725 [SPEAKER_03]: I knew it. 44:14.873 --> 44:16.874 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have one saying no, I'm never did. 44:18.475 --> 44:24.139 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it is I deal with so many different variations of people in different countries right now. 44:24.199 --> 44:24.999 [SPEAKER_03]: It's getting me. 44:25.119 --> 44:28.121 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know who I'm talking to anymore in the middle of the night. 44:28.782 --> 44:30.123 [SPEAKER_03]: I just say, hey, how you doing? 44:30.503 --> 44:31.323 [SPEAKER_03]: That was it. 44:31.964 --> 44:35.026 [SPEAKER_03]: And they tell me, I'm talking to you. 44:35.926 --> 44:36.487 [SPEAKER_03]: Moving on. 44:36.927 --> 44:39.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that is all we need to have for tonight. 44:40.029 --> 44:40.849 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, please. 44:42.108 --> 44:42.388 [SPEAKER_03]: All right. 44:42.428 --> 44:51.454 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, everybody, thank you, obviously, for the cards and letters and keep tuning in, keep giving our reviews. 44:52.215 --> 44:54.496 [SPEAKER_03]: We hear that's helping us along here. 44:55.417 --> 44:57.338 [SPEAKER_03]: And stay safe. 44:57.658 --> 44:59.079 [SPEAKER_03]: Where may I ask if you feel like it? 44:59.840 --> 45:01.601 [SPEAKER_03]: And protect your neighbor, God bless you. 45:02.141 --> 45:03.082 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll see you next week. 45:03.302 --> 45:03.562 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 45:04.203 --> 45:05.884 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, perfect. 45:12.207 --> 45:32.783 [SPEAKER_04]: There's a service I could rent them I'm the one who loves you only I could be so unsatended Call me Don't be afraid to become a man Maybe it's late but just call me Tell me and I'll be wrong I want to see your friends deserve you 45:33.230 --> 45:36.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for tuning in to the Hollywood Godfather podcast. 45:36.912 --> 45:45.556 [SPEAKER_00]: You can contact Gianni Rousseau, Patrick Pichorelli, or myself with your questions and comments through the contact section of our website, HollywoodGodfatherpodcast.com. 45:46.016 --> 45:50.258 [SPEAKER_00]: You can also call and leave us a message at 646-776-3038. 45:50.658 --> 45:57.742 [SPEAKER_00]: Regarding Gianni's motivational speaking appearances, you can visit his website, GianniRousseau.com. 45:57.902 --> 46:02.164 [SPEAKER_00]: You can also visit amazon.com for listening of books, Patrick Pichorelli has written. 46:02.764 --> 46:08.247 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember to follow us on Instagram at Hollywood Godfather Podcast, as well as leave us a review on iTunes. 46:08.607 --> 46:15.431 [SPEAKER_00]: If you'd like to know what you like about what we're doing, what you'd like to hear in the future, and anything else you might suggest to improve our podcast. 46:16.031 --> 46:18.112 [SPEAKER_00]: Most importantly, hit the subscribe button. 46:18.613 --> 46:23.515 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next week with stories of the mob and Hollywood, as well as answers to your emails and voicemails. 46:23.796 --> 46:24.456 [SPEAKER_00]: Good night.