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all kinds of mountain lines up there as well. 05:42.893 --> 05:51.399 [SPEAKER_03]: and missing for a period of time and then I kind of lost track of the case and and they discovered the remains of her body. 05:52.139 --> 05:57.102 [SPEAKER_03]: But from beginning to end, there is nothing but the mystery and 06:00.452 --> 06:03.113 [SPEAKER_03]: Something's fishy here from start to finish in this case. 06:04.053 --> 06:06.154 [SPEAKER_03]: This is a new documentary that came out called Lost Compassion. 06:06.954 --> 06:12.096 [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the participants in this is Dr. Ronda L. Hampton, who is our guest today. 06:12.116 --> 06:16.557 [SPEAKER_03]: Now you can find Dr. Ronda L. Hampton at her website, reach4mentalhealth.com. 06:17.657 --> 06:20.318 [SPEAKER_03]: And also, if you want to check out a couple of websites, in this case, to get familiar with it. 06:20.798 --> 06:23.739 [SPEAKER_03]: On Facebook, there is a Lost Compassion Facebook page. 06:23.879 --> 06:27.060 [SPEAKER_03]: And also, find Matrice Richardson Facebook page. 06:27.140 --> 06:28.261 [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Hampton, are you there? 06:30.713 --> 06:32.515 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't thank you enough for coming on the show. 06:33.937 --> 06:37.401 [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us about yourself, who is Dr. Hampton, Ronda L. Hampton? 06:39.023 --> 06:41.285 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay. 06:41.305 --> 06:47.553 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually am a clinical psychologist here in Southern California, and actually, you know, born and raised in 06:48.664 --> 06:54.951 [SPEAKER_02]: in Southern California, went to school locally, graduated from Cal Stateville, attend with my bachelor's degree in psychology. 06:54.971 --> 07:04.922 [SPEAKER_02]: I went on to the University of Le Verne where I got my master's degree in counseling psychology and I got my doctor's degree in clinical psychology at the California School Professional Psychology. 07:05.973 --> 07:16.378 [SPEAKER_02]: And in school, I had a special interest in working with those with chronic mental illness, so that would be severe depression, schizophrenia, more chronic condition. 07:16.418 --> 07:23.162 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I've thought about to start a career in working with those folks with more chronic mental illnesses. 07:23.842 --> 07:29.204 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a private practice that was not just kind of starting out, but doing okay. 07:29.705 --> 07:34.007 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't, I am married, and at the time that my treatment missing, I had a sexual daughter. 07:35.022 --> 07:48.406 [SPEAKER_02]: And my plan was that I was hiring at that time of hiring a few psychologists to come on boards so that I can kind of step down a little bit and spend my daughter's school year kind of hanging out with her and I'm a girl scout leader. 07:48.446 --> 07:50.567 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm busy in the girl fielding in that kind of thing. 07:50.627 --> 07:50.867 [SPEAKER_02]: So. 07:52.805 --> 08:18.678 [SPEAKER_02]: But about the first day that my daughter started first grade, my office manager called me and said, you know, there's this young woman, then she wants to do an internship and, you know, there was some problems with her previous internship, so that, you know, could she come to the office and I had no interest in overseeing an intern because I was trying to, you know, downsize things a little bit for myself personally and spend more time with my, with my husband and my daughter. 08:20.228 --> 08:23.729 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but my office manager said have a song, but in a hard life, it'll okay. 08:23.749 --> 08:27.910 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let her come in, but I'm just going to give her the basics and that's it. 08:28.510 --> 08:36.491 [SPEAKER_02]: So in walks, my trees, I was late because I was the first school dot my daughter off at school, run into the office, just enough time to say hi. 08:36.931 --> 08:41.913 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have my first client for the day, and I just told I'll have to talk to you some time later, figure out how to use the phones, and I'll get back to you. 08:42.693 --> 08:43.993 [SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of hours later, 08:45.023 --> 08:51.890 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually meet her and she was the most just adorable intern that I've ever worked with. 08:51.970 --> 08:57.755 [SPEAKER_02]: So very, very personal, very much as a self-starter if I didn't have to give her any instructions on how to do anything. 08:58.456 --> 09:01.299 [SPEAKER_02]: And I honestly, we just had a connection right away. 09:01.719 --> 09:08.005 [SPEAKER_02]: So I saw very quickly that she was talented that she herself was definitely make a great psychologist. 09:08.485 --> 09:14.128 [SPEAKER_02]: And so my plan of just kind of getting her in and getting her out was just that was gone from the moment that I actually met her. 09:15.428 --> 09:24.152 [SPEAKER_02]: So we spent a great deal of time together talking about psychology, talking about her future, talking about clients and methodologies, and you know, she was so inquisitive. 09:24.872 --> 09:26.453 [SPEAKER_02]: And so she spent about a year with me. 09:27.674 --> 09:33.197 [SPEAKER_02]: And then afterwards, we continued, you know, having, you know, a friendship, a mentorship, however you want to call it. 09:33.217 --> 09:35.939 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was at right before she went missing. 09:35.959 --> 09:41.022 [SPEAKER_02]: We were getting ready to get ready to go to lunch and prepare to apply for graduate school. 09:41.722 --> 09:44.524 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the last time that I would have seen her. 09:44.764 --> 09:46.385 [SPEAKER_02]: So how old was she when when you met her? 09:47.406 --> 09:49.727 [SPEAKER_02]: My treat was 20. 09:49.747 --> 09:52.489 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she had just turned 20. 09:56.018 --> 09:56.701 [SPEAKER_02]: to when I met her. 09:57.163 --> 09:59.010 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's her very last year of college. 09:59.873 --> 10:00.335 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 10:00.716 --> 10:01.599 [SPEAKER_03]: And where was she going to school? 10:02.333 --> 10:06.434 [SPEAKER_02]: So my treat was going to Calth take a little bit, which is where I had graduated. 10:06.454 --> 10:09.676 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had lots and lots and common in that regard. 10:09.716 --> 10:16.558 [SPEAKER_02]: So in their last year of school in the psychology program, they have to complete an internship at a, you know, some type of facility. 10:16.918 --> 10:19.459 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what that's how she came to my office. 10:20.440 --> 10:26.942 [SPEAKER_03]: No, when she was working for you in your office there, were there ever any indications of any kind of mental illness or kind of instability, or anything? 10:28.402 --> 10:28.923 [SPEAKER_02]: There was. 10:31.483 --> 10:43.450 [SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple of times that my trees, something about her, her behavior was a little strange, but not in the way that, maybe not in the way that the common person would think was strange. 10:43.490 --> 10:52.496 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it was enough that I talked to her and I said to her, you know, I'm concerned about your mood and that you seem a little bit up and down sometimes. 10:53.196 --> 10:55.778 [SPEAKER_02]: And also sometimes she came in disheveled 10:56.518 --> 11:21.873 [SPEAKER_02]: not tremendously felt so these things are so subtle, but I noticed them and I actually told her I thought she should go to the you know to the school counseling center and get evaluated which she did and she came back and I think she may have went twice and she came back and she was fine and she was clear and her and I did talk about the possibility of you know she was having like a bipolar disorder or something that was going up but we talked about it very lightly. 11:22.594 --> 11:26.980 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was open to, if that was a problem, she certainly would want to get something done about that. 11:28.042 --> 11:34.612 [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, that's kind of hard work, but by color, you could be fine for months and months and months and then, you know, something. 11:35.142 --> 11:36.403 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, down the road, you're not fine. 11:36.723 --> 11:39.004 [SPEAKER_02]: And anyways, what I was looking at with her was very subtle. 11:39.104 --> 11:51.290 [SPEAKER_02]: So even even myself, if she would have came to my office as my client, I may have thought, oh, she's just suffering, you know, the stress of In the, you know, graduating from college and looking at graduate school. 11:51.370 --> 11:52.671 [SPEAKER_02]: It also kind of looked like that. 11:52.711 --> 11:57.213 [SPEAKER_02]: So even when I was referring her, I wasn't sure about what was going on, but I just want to make sure. 11:58.250 --> 11:59.631 [SPEAKER_03]: And it is kind of common. 11:59.651 --> 12:01.752 [SPEAKER_03]: There's something about your last year of college. 12:01.772 --> 12:02.913 [SPEAKER_03]: You'll need kids who go away to college. 12:03.734 --> 12:06.395 [SPEAKER_03]: They can have that big breakdown of that period of time in their lives. 12:06.495 --> 12:07.156 [SPEAKER_03]: Am I right about that? 12:07.896 --> 12:23.286 [SPEAKER_02]: So what happens is that for a young man, we'll say somewhere in the late teens, so somewhere between 17 and 19, if there is going to be a serious mental illness about 17 and 19 is when you see it in young men, for women, somewhere around 22 to 24. 12:25.047 --> 12:29.011 [SPEAKER_02]: is which is when you might see that kind of behavior if there's going to be a serious condition. 12:29.391 --> 12:36.798 [SPEAKER_02]: So we kind of loosely say with young men, it's when they start college and when with young women, it's towards the end of college that you might start seeing those symptoms. 12:37.038 --> 12:44.765 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, they're very subtle, so it's not like anybody would have necessarily noticed it until the person has their first major break. 12:45.521 --> 12:51.584 [SPEAKER_03]: Because we all have those friends, creative people, you know, really, they fill the room with excitement, you know, and they have their up and down. 12:51.624 --> 12:53.405 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we all do that. 12:53.425 --> 12:53.825 [SPEAKER_03]: We all do that. 12:54.125 --> 12:54.445 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 12:54.465 --> 12:55.786 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we more than once. 12:55.906 --> 12:59.488 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, now what about any kind of drugs or alcohol or any kind? 13:01.310 --> 13:09.937 [SPEAKER_02]: So when I knew my trees, and I knew her friends also, she was not the person who would, you know, necessarily go out and get drunk. 13:09.977 --> 13:11.699 [SPEAKER_02]: She might drink socially occasionally. 13:13.020 --> 13:16.062 [SPEAKER_02]: I had not known her to use marijuana. 13:16.102 --> 13:19.525 [SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, when I met her, we had lots of discussions about that. 13:19.565 --> 13:25.290 [SPEAKER_02]: But towards, sometimes after she graduated, I know that she had some experimentation with marijuana. 13:26.808 --> 13:28.629 [SPEAKER_03]: And what about drinking though? 13:28.649 --> 13:30.810 [SPEAKER_02]: Because she wasn't a big drinker in any case. 13:31.171 --> 13:34.152 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, now she was a lesbian. 13:34.472 --> 13:35.573 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 13:35.653 --> 13:36.874 [SPEAKER_03]: And a lesbian or bisexual? 13:38.535 --> 13:40.276 [SPEAKER_02]: As far as she ever told me, she was a lesbian. 13:40.856 --> 13:45.618 [SPEAKER_02]: I think in her younger days, she had had some boyfriends, but she got older. 13:45.638 --> 13:47.760 [SPEAKER_02]: She, her interests with it in women. 13:47.960 --> 13:50.221 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, and there was something about her working as a gogo dancer. 13:50.241 --> 13:51.882 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that was beneficial or harmful to her? 13:52.980 --> 14:05.027 [SPEAKER_02]: My trees was a dancer on the high school dance team and all that, and she towards her, when she graduated, she wanted to work for, it's a dance studio, CRS dance studio. 14:05.047 --> 14:15.493 [SPEAKER_02]: I think if you know the singer, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS, CRS 14:16.013 --> 14:20.155 [SPEAKER_02]: then that would be a way of helping her work her way through grad school and not having to. 14:21.616 --> 14:27.400 [SPEAKER_02]: So like when you're teaching the answer, you can teach it at night, you can teach it on the weekend, that way she'd be able to go to, you know, to school during the day. 14:27.780 --> 14:34.704 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is, my treat was a classical dancer, so she didn't really, she didn't do any hip-hop dancing. 14:35.324 --> 14:41.026 [SPEAKER_02]: So she began taking hip hop lessons, and she began working as a go-go dancer just to kind of increase her skill. 14:41.346 --> 14:45.227 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she eventually thought she could get a job at CRS Dance Studio. 14:45.687 --> 14:49.588 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, you say go-go dancer, which is what she did. 14:49.648 --> 14:52.969 [SPEAKER_02]: So, but it was, it was not what she was naked dancing or anything like that, people. 14:53.370 --> 14:57.311 [SPEAKER_02]: And even if she was, you know, I supported her, but that just happened to be not what she was doing. 14:57.351 --> 14:57.671 [SPEAKER_02]: She was just, 14:58.617 --> 15:09.280 [SPEAKER_03]: people aren't too friendly they have at night clubs you know regular night clubs and they put these girls on cages and stuff you know it stands platforms and they dance up there to get the crowd going and it's gonna go back that's exactly what it was. 15:09.400 --> 15:15.562 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I'm back in the 60s when you know when I was growing up when I had gogo dances or half as far as you know but the right gogo girls 15:17.198 --> 15:19.219 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think it was harmful for her. 15:19.300 --> 15:31.808 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that it was the way that she was going to be able to break into being a hip hop infant structure and surely after she started doing that, she actually, because in order to get an order for her to teach, she had to win this dance competition in hip hop, which she wasn't. 15:32.328 --> 15:50.055 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, not good at, but when she took the classes and when she started doing the go-go with the answers, she actually did enter one of those hip-hop contests and she won, and then that was going to be, and then that was going to be the way that she was going to break into the fear of dance through you, which I've spoken to them, she did have the interview with them, and she was having a second interview with them when she went missing. 15:50.575 --> 15:53.417 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, so I do think it's something that would have worked out well for her. 15:54.537 --> 15:56.498 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you've been doing a lot of this investigation yourself. 15:56.538 --> 15:59.159 [SPEAKER_03]: When you go around and speak to people, do you record these interviews? 15:59.179 --> 16:00.820 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you take a statement and have a David to you? 16:03.325 --> 16:05.286 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, I wouldn't say that. 16:05.306 --> 16:14.608 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of information that I have gotten about my treat as case has come, have come from, um, offices, honestly from the Los Angeles Sheriff's department. 16:15.048 --> 16:29.672 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, in order for them to speak to me, you know, that it needs to be an anonymous and it, it's not recorded and I just do the best I can to remember what I can and, you know, when I get home, I write down as much as I can remember, but, you know, they obviously doesn't need to protect the identity of the people who are given the information that has been very helpful. 16:30.653 --> 16:31.073 [SPEAKER_03]: I got you. 16:31.194 --> 16:40.802 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, now in September 2009, we first hear about the story where she appears at this restaurant named Jaffrey's pronounced. 16:41.623 --> 16:44.085 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and that's what we first hear about the story. 16:44.126 --> 16:44.906 [SPEAKER_03]: She appears at Jaffrey's. 16:45.106 --> 16:46.288 [SPEAKER_03]: But what do we know about her? 16:46.448 --> 16:48.249 [SPEAKER_03]: What was she doing before that day? 16:48.289 --> 16:50.852 [SPEAKER_03]: What was the rest of the majority of that day? 16:50.872 --> 16:51.232 [SPEAKER_03]: Where was she? 16:51.252 --> 16:51.713 [SPEAKER_03]: What was she doing? 16:51.733 --> 16:52.053 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we know? 16:52.797 --> 16:56.502 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, and I don't, I'm not, because I've spoken to different people. 16:56.562 --> 17:01.750 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure about the sync with the timing of how things happen, but I do know from people what has happened. 17:01.770 --> 17:02.411 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 17:02.431 --> 17:08.519 [SPEAKER_02]: So, there was a point where she went to her job where she was she worked at an administrative assistant at a freight company. 17:09.100 --> 17:16.104 [SPEAKER_02]: So, she went to her job and her boss described her as not being efficient, not doing her job, not being focused. 17:16.584 --> 17:23.887 [SPEAKER_02]: That anybody who knows my treats knows that something's wrong because when my treats, she arrives to work on time, she sits down, she does her job and she's very efficient about it. 17:24.228 --> 17:32.952 [SPEAKER_02]: So, when she, after her job, her boss noticed that she was not getting anything done, her mood seemed a bit elevated, he was very, very concerned about her. 17:34.028 --> 17:49.258 [SPEAKER_02]: At some point, she left her job and she went to go to some friend's house and she began watching some type of soap opera and she was talking about, you know, that the soap opera was calling her to the ocean and all these kind of odd statements to her friends. 17:50.499 --> 17:59.245 [SPEAKER_02]: She also, and I'm not sure if she left, if this happened when she left her job or when she left her friend's house, but she eventually ended up on the campus of Cal State Fullerton. 18:00.390 --> 18:13.564 [SPEAKER_02]: And she showed up to a professor that was a, that she cared about a lot, you know, that she, you know, got a lot of guidance from and she began talking to this professor about, you know, that she was writing a book. 18:14.351 --> 18:19.676 [SPEAKER_02]: And the content is a professor described to me just didn't make any sense. 18:19.836 --> 18:22.639 [SPEAKER_02]: And my trees did not seem herself and her moves seemed elevated. 18:22.959 --> 18:26.582 [SPEAKER_02]: So that professor walked her over to a colleague who was a psychologist. 18:27.062 --> 18:36.631 [SPEAKER_02]: Only when they knocked on the door of the psychologist, my trees got wind that something was wrong for my trees said, I'm going to go and she left. 18:37.387 --> 18:43.810 [SPEAKER_02]: And so from from from that point is when she somehow ended up in Maldo that is the next thing that we hear from her. 18:44.030 --> 18:47.191 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, and you got to imagine like that the part with a spurt or her flight mechanism. 18:47.211 --> 18:50.933 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, even more manic fleeing from this intervention. 18:51.293 --> 18:55.555 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, right, what about her my space page and her Facebook page? 18:57.175 --> 19:00.357 [SPEAKER_03]: I saw some of that in this film, uh, most compassion. 19:00.377 --> 19:01.357 [SPEAKER_03]: Can you describe that? 19:02.728 --> 19:15.521 [SPEAKER_02]: So my trees, and I honestly was not a social media person back then, and thank goodness that my trees had every interest in me being more updated on social media. 19:15.721 --> 19:22.788 [SPEAKER_02]: So she actually had created a Facebook page for me and we were friends and I didn't use it very often, but you know, at least I had it. 19:22.848 --> 19:26.852 [SPEAKER_02]: So when she went missing, I did go to her Facebook page and I began to look. 19:28.151 --> 19:34.093 [SPEAKER_02]: At least I would say four days worth of behaviors that was very odd where you can tell she wasn't sleeping because she was 19:36.785 --> 19:41.609 [SPEAKER_02]: The comments that she was making on her page were just unusual. 19:41.649 --> 19:46.113 [SPEAKER_02]: They were speaking in some unusual code and focused on the number 8. 19:46.273 --> 19:49.115 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just bizarre statements that she was making. 19:49.135 --> 19:56.481 [SPEAKER_02]: Her friends were trying to get in touch with her, but she was not responding to her friends. 19:56.821 --> 19:58.883 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of those comments were unusual. 19:58.963 --> 20:02.406 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought on her Facebook page a couple of things on her Facebook page too. 20:05.752 --> 20:13.893 [SPEAKER_03]: And then as a professional looking at that was a mental break on because you've been on drugs on overnight like on meth or on an ecstasy or something that for several days. 20:14.973 --> 20:15.353 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 20:15.393 --> 20:22.298 [SPEAKER_02]: So for me, my immediate thought when I saw those Facebook postings was that she may this may be a manic episode. 20:22.598 --> 20:36.547 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm saying that because it was something that I had thought you're previously not you're previously she wasn't making unusual statements that was just a feeling that I got and so now when I saw this and that she'd been up for days and days at a time in the comments that she was making it seem to me more. 20:37.187 --> 20:56.466 [SPEAKER_02]: Manic then actually drug related and also the content because when when people are on drugs They're not and that's a they may be high, but they aren't necessarily Delusional in the way that her posting for a very true more likely to be arguing with ex-girlfriends Marvin Gaye and Michael Jackson things. 20:56.506 --> 21:01.791 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, so then describe what happened when she gets to this restaurant job was and what led to her rest 21:02.956 --> 21:08.761 [SPEAKER_02]: So from what I told, she arrived at the restaurant and she immediately jumped in the car with the ballet. 21:09.662 --> 21:21.491 [SPEAKER_02]: And she starts telling, you know, talking to the ballet, being very friendly, and starts going through his CDs and telling him that this was her car, that she was actually in his car at this point, but she was saying this is her car and it's going through her CDs. 21:21.892 --> 21:24.254 [SPEAKER_02]: And he immediately realized something was wrong. 21:24.274 --> 21:29.358 [SPEAKER_02]: So what he wanted to do is kind of like park the rest of the cars and then try to see what kind of help that he could get her. 21:30.103 --> 21:35.367 [SPEAKER_02]: But by the time he finished parking, you know, one of the cars, she had already walked into the restaurant. 21:36.088 --> 21:40.131 [SPEAKER_02]: He followed behind her and attempted to tell the staff like, I'm concerned about this guy. 21:40.151 --> 21:41.072 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there might be a problem. 21:41.793 --> 21:44.635 [SPEAKER_02]: But they sat her anyways and they sat her at a table. 21:44.655 --> 21:46.556 [SPEAKER_02]: She sat alone initially. 21:47.037 --> 21:54.163 [SPEAKER_02]: And then at some point, she decides to join this party about eight individuals and just begin talking to them. 21:55.244 --> 22:16.563 [SPEAKER_02]: And talking to her about her future, their future, telling them things like, you know, she's going to, they're going to, something along the lines that they're going to see her name and lights one day that she's going off to Hawaii and they're going to know it and reading their palms and so they, they, while they found her very charming, they thought that something was unusual about her at some point, they, the way she came over and, 22:18.990 --> 22:21.992 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, kind of said, is she bothering you and they didn't feel like she was really bothered. 22:22.012 --> 22:24.274 [SPEAKER_02]: They were bothering her just that something was wrong with her. 22:24.754 --> 22:27.636 [SPEAKER_02]: She had been they even the way to eventually got her to sit back at her other table. 22:27.676 --> 22:36.242 [SPEAKER_02]: She ordered a meal, which was a Kobe's a Kobe steak and some kind of some kind of drink and after she finished her meal, she went back to the table again. 22:36.262 --> 22:47.349 [SPEAKER_02]: And eventually when that table left and it was time for my treat, the leave, she did not have the money or she didn't think she had the money to pay for a meal and she said, you know, something along the lines with the universe will take care of it. 22:49.273 --> 23:04.011 [SPEAKER_02]: And so then the staff began to be concerned like what's going on with this both unusual behavior that she just trying to leave to not pay her bill, you know, but at the same time she's acting strange and they did not want her to get her car because they, you know, just for fear of her unusual behavior and what might happen to her. 23:04.792 --> 23:05.353 [SPEAKER_02]: And um, 23:06.190 --> 23:20.780 [SPEAKER_02]: So she was ultimately arrested for failure to pay an inkeeper and then at some point they supposedly searched her car and they found it was like left and two ounces of marijuana, which they've yet to any time we've asked for proof of that they've yet to. 23:21.440 --> 23:30.506 [SPEAKER_02]: And it could do that proof, but you know, whatever, so so her arrest was for failure to pay an inkeeper and possession of less than two ounces of marijuana. 23:31.118 --> 23:32.059 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, an attempt was made. 23:32.079 --> 23:33.480 [SPEAKER_03]: She called a grandmother from the restaurant. 23:33.500 --> 23:36.462 [SPEAKER_03]: They, they, she got a credit card number, but that was on satisfactory. 23:37.203 --> 23:38.023 [SPEAKER_02]: So what happened, yes? 23:38.123 --> 23:44.448 [SPEAKER_02]: So at some point, the, the weight staff was debating on, should they just pitch in money together to pay for her bill? 23:44.669 --> 23:45.489 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 23:45.870 --> 23:47.931 [SPEAKER_02]: And they decided not to because they didn't want her to get in her car. 23:48.111 --> 23:50.073 [SPEAKER_02]: And they, they really thought she needed to be 51, 50. 23:50.413 --> 23:52.655 [SPEAKER_02]: That she needed to be in a, in a psychiatric hole somewhere. 23:52.935 --> 23:55.177 [SPEAKER_02]: So they didn't, they did not pay the bill for her. 23:55.617 --> 23:57.078 [SPEAKER_02]: She did call her grandmother. 23:57.579 --> 23:58.920 [SPEAKER_02]: And the restaurant, 23:59.741 --> 24:09.999 [SPEAKER_02]: At that time, the restaurant, they still don't take credit card payment over the phone and they had just implemented that like a month before because they've lost so much money from people, you know. 24:11.872 --> 24:14.273 [SPEAKER_02]: basically not following, somehow I can't bring the credit card. 24:14.293 --> 24:15.014 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's much back. 24:15.034 --> 24:15.774 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, people with things. 24:15.794 --> 24:28.280 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, and her grandmother didn't have, they would take her grandmother's photo copy of the grandmother's card, if the grandmother would back for them, but her grandmother at that time was like 90 years old at that time, and she would not have, she didn't have access to a back machine. 24:28.600 --> 24:34.983 [SPEAKER_02]: And also, my trees did not, when grandma was talking to her, my trees didn't think she thought, everything fine, grandma, everything's going to be fine. 24:35.023 --> 24:38.584 [SPEAKER_02]: Like she had no real awareness of this severity of the situation that she was in. 24:40.530 --> 24:50.216 [SPEAKER_02]: And also, and I want in myself and speaking to the ballet, when he says to me, was that my trees clearly did not understand what was going on, but that the police did. 24:50.456 --> 24:57.860 [SPEAKER_02]: So what he tells me is that one of the comments that the officer, one of the arresting officers made to her, made to him was that, you know what? 24:58.000 --> 24:58.841 [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's wrong with her. 24:59.161 --> 24:59.801 [SPEAKER_02]: She's a ding. 25:01.082 --> 25:04.184 [SPEAKER_02]: So in a ding, L-A-S-D, we'll use that term, 25:07.053 --> 25:09.214 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's Los Angeles Sheriff's Department. 25:09.254 --> 25:09.514 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 25:09.694 --> 25:12.895 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, did she actually have cash or credit card in her wallet in the car? 25:13.575 --> 25:16.977 [SPEAKER_03]: So she had, they, and I'm unclear about that. 25:17.057 --> 25:18.197 [SPEAKER_03]: She did have money in the bank. 25:19.317 --> 25:29.301 [SPEAKER_02]: So the question, I'm unclear if she has her, and when I say unclear, it's because I've heard that in her wallet was her debit card in credit card. 25:29.741 --> 25:34.303 [SPEAKER_02]: But since I haven't, I didn't physically see them, I can only say that this is what I heard, that she did have, 25:36.205 --> 25:37.546 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, she didn't have the means to pay it. 25:37.566 --> 25:39.507 [SPEAKER_02]: She just, he just didn't realize it. 25:41.348 --> 25:42.769 [SPEAKER_02]: But I do know that she had money in the bank. 25:42.929 --> 25:44.891 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I caught in the car lots of, but it's so yard. 25:45.131 --> 25:47.913 [SPEAKER_03]: And someone ultimately retreated that car out of family member. 25:48.493 --> 25:51.815 [SPEAKER_03]: They could have, at that point, they could have went through her purse. 25:52.015 --> 25:56.058 [SPEAKER_03]: Did the police go to the tow yard and remove her purse before the car was returned to the parents? 25:57.095 --> 26:02.459 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's possible that the parents actually have that and I just, I've never physically seen it myself. 26:02.519 --> 26:11.045 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like saying, when the police, when the police, yeah, so in the police arrest her, they go through all of her belonging, you know, her, they go through all of her belongings. 26:11.366 --> 26:18.911 [SPEAKER_02]: And they do have her place her, her phone and her person, whatever all of her according to them, they had her place at all in her, in the trunk of her car. 26:18.971 --> 26:20.733 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they had her car towed. 26:21.053 --> 26:23.775 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, their story is that she requested to have her car towed. 26:24.877 --> 26:35.191 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she would have been in the position to request that and the valet who says he was with her the entire time never heard her say that and the valet also told me that they typically don't tow cars for people who are drunk. 26:35.211 --> 26:37.594 [SPEAKER_02]: He said people get drunk at that restaurant and have to leave their car all the time. 26:37.834 --> 26:38.615 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't tow their car. 26:38.635 --> 26:40.157 [SPEAKER_02]: They leave it then people coming getting in the morning. 26:40.378 --> 26:42.600 [SPEAKER_02]: So they had no idea why her car was towed in the first place. 26:43.301 --> 26:46.423 [SPEAKER_03]: I would not have heard anybody, I never heard of anybody ask them to have that carto. 26:47.603 --> 26:47.763 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 26:47.843 --> 26:49.924 [SPEAKER_03]: By the police, you know, and deal with fees and stuff. 26:49.944 --> 26:50.725 [SPEAKER_03]: Westerys, you don't know where you go. 26:50.745 --> 26:51.165 [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy. 26:51.805 --> 26:52.105 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 26:53.186 --> 26:55.007 [SPEAKER_03]: But they did find some alcohol in a car. 26:55.167 --> 26:57.488 [SPEAKER_03]: Vodka, to kill, and a half a case of beer. 26:57.888 --> 27:00.629 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, does it mean a half a case of beer that the other half was drunk. 27:00.890 --> 27:03.131 [SPEAKER_03]: Someone drank the other half or the was just like a half case. 27:03.771 --> 27:05.752 [SPEAKER_03]: You want a container of a half case. 27:06.853 --> 27:11.935 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, you know, I'm not, I believe it was like, you know, like a hat, not, not drunk, like they were not open. 27:12.355 --> 27:13.216 [SPEAKER_03]: Gotcha. 27:13.576 --> 27:24.141 [SPEAKER_02]: So from what I was told by her friend is that, um, the, the previous, it was either the previous weekend or two weekend previous, they had gone to Las Vegas to celebrate a friend birthday. 27:24.661 --> 27:28.563 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, and they, you know, I'm got a hotel room and, you know, that's the booth. 27:28.843 --> 27:31.884 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was the booth that was left over from the party and it was just still in her car. 27:32.844 --> 27:33.845 [SPEAKER_03]: And were those containers open? 27:35.427 --> 27:37.888 [SPEAKER_02]: from what I have never seen them. 27:37.948 --> 27:39.709 [SPEAKER_02]: So from what I've heard, they were not open. 27:40.569 --> 27:44.770 [SPEAKER_02]: Because they had lots of whatever, at the party, they had lots of booths at the party. 27:44.810 --> 27:49.832 [SPEAKER_02]: So when they left the hotel, they just put the rest in her car and then they would come home. 27:51.873 --> 27:53.174 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if they were open or not. 27:53.194 --> 27:54.994 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the police say that they were open. 27:55.014 --> 27:56.475 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's interesting. 27:56.955 --> 28:02.537 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, and Jeffries did not want to press shock over the day they insisted to press charges 28:06.028 --> 28:14.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so what I'm told, and I've spoken to the owner at Jockeys restaurant, Jeff Peterson, about why the decision was made to do what's called a citizen's arrest. 28:15.492 --> 28:23.335 [SPEAKER_02]: So what happened was they were asking the officers if they were going to take it to the hospital, and it became clear that they were not going to take it to the hospital. 28:23.715 --> 28:26.797 [SPEAKER_02]: And so they said, you know, that they were just going to let her go. 28:26.877 --> 28:32.699 [SPEAKER_02]: So the the restaurant, so they told the restaurant that the only way that we're going to take her in is if you do a citizen's arrest. 28:33.467 --> 28:36.790 [SPEAKER_02]: So, he did that with the assumption that they were going to take her to the hospital. 28:37.470 --> 28:41.754 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, that's the story that I hear from the owner of the restaurant. 28:42.514 --> 28:46.658 [SPEAKER_02]: However, I'm in possession of an email from the arresting officer. 28:47.318 --> 28:49.540 [SPEAKER_02]: And this officer is to his hire up. 28:50.020 --> 28:58.247 [SPEAKER_02]: And when the arresting officer Armando Luero, when he's asked about why he arrested her, he said that he did so for her own safety. 29:00.669 --> 29:04.731 [SPEAKER_02]: quote unquote dizzy and that he was concerned for her and that's why he arrested her. 29:05.051 --> 29:13.054 [SPEAKER_02]: So in that email, when he's asked about the arrest, never does he mention 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shelves department station, right? 33:26.361 --> 33:31.904 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the long-scale station is with the, in an area that is, at that time, anyways, um, 33:38.625 --> 34:07.527 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's nothing open that night because there's, you know, there's warehouses around the closest place that she could get to If she were, if she actually, when she was released if she were actually walking, she had to walk through this kind of like a business district, so there's no one there at midnight, there's no bus running, so maybe about a mile and a half to miles down there is a grocery store, there is a jack and a box and a McDonald's. 34:08.303 --> 34:11.844 [SPEAKER_02]: At that time, all of which closed by 10 or 11 o'clock at night. 34:12.364 --> 34:15.706 [SPEAKER_02]: So those, even though those were there, they were not open. 34:15.986 --> 34:22.248 [SPEAKER_02]: And so because this was an area that people don't travel through, you know, in the evenings, there was no reason for those places to be open and they weren't. 34:24.128 --> 34:29.590 [SPEAKER_03]: My question now is, this sub station is lost hills, sheriff's department station. 34:29.830 --> 34:34.812 [SPEAKER_03]: Like how many sheriff's were working there, how many golden cells that they have, is it an active station, people coming and going? 34:35.797 --> 34:58.897 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know the exact number of officers that work there and it's a small, I can't gosh, I mean, I don't even know how many I only, because I've toured the place and I've only seen like two holding cells and I think there's like a couple of cells in the back it's not, it's not a large facility at all, I just don't know the specific details of that, but you know, it's, it's, I'm sure it's never crowded, you know, it's up, so it's up, 35:00.118 --> 35:15.530 [SPEAKER_02]: Malibu Canyon, so if you were coming from Pacific Coast highway up here, you'd have to drive up through the canyon somewhere around 1314 miles, and then you would get to this station, but it's not a place that's, you know, where it's like downtown LA, where there's, you know, people coming and going, it's just not a busy station. 35:15.990 --> 35:27.659 [SPEAKER_02]: On the night from what I hear from the person who was in jail with my trees, on the night that my trees was arrested, they were from what I hear only herself and two other individuals at that jail. 35:32.843 --> 35:42.828 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, my treat was put in the cell with another woman and that woman became so uncomfortable with my treat's unusual behavior that she requested to be removed to be moved to a different cell. 35:42.868 --> 35:43.629 [SPEAKER_02]: And that did happen. 35:44.289 --> 35:44.549 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 35:44.589 --> 35:46.950 [SPEAKER_03]: And so you've talked to this other woman who was a soulmate with my treat. 35:47.951 --> 35:53.754 [SPEAKER_02]: I talked to the woman who, I'm, I talked to the woman who came in right when my treat right after my treat got released. 35:53.774 --> 35:58.436 [SPEAKER_02]: So she was hearing the conversations from the, from the, from the jailer and the, and the 36:00.873 --> 36:17.007 [SPEAKER_02]: The person who was in the jail with my trace, the reason why I know what happened, as far as a woman, asking to be removed, is that eventually the parents filed a lawsuit, and I have copies of portions of the deposition, and one of those is the young woman who was in the jail cell with her. 36:17.027 --> 36:20.170 [SPEAKER_02]: So she tells the story about how she asked it in groups of that final regulatory. 36:20.630 --> 36:20.950 [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. 36:20.970 --> 36:22.552 [SPEAKER_03]: Does she file the lawsuit against the Jersey Department? 36:23.128 --> 36:24.169 [SPEAKER_03]: my treat as parents did. 36:24.329 --> 36:25.550 [SPEAKER_03]: On my treat as parents, I'm sorry, okay. 36:25.730 --> 36:25.930 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 36:26.350 --> 36:28.992 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought maybe the cellmate did, too, the man was in my garden, and what's going on in that night? 36:29.072 --> 36:31.053 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, what about cameras inside this police station? 36:31.073 --> 36:32.034 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, one more question, too. 36:32.174 --> 36:40.459 [SPEAKER_03]: You say you don't know how many police officers worked out of this station, how many sheriff's work out of this station, but when you got up to your visit, did you know there's so many cop cars or parked around? 36:40.479 --> 36:43.361 [SPEAKER_03]: Do they have a big parking lot for a private parking lot, for a bunch of cop cars? 36:44.301 --> 36:48.024 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a big parking lot, part of that is because the helicopter, you know? 36:48.184 --> 36:48.564 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 36:49.464 --> 36:50.025 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, is there? 36:52.356 --> 36:53.076 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't recall me. 36:53.096 --> 36:56.818 [SPEAKER_02]: I have the roster of everybody who was there, but who worked there, but I never counted. 36:56.838 --> 36:59.219 [SPEAKER_03]: 25 cops, 100 cops, 150 cops, what do you think? 36:59.880 --> 37:01.220 [SPEAKER_02]: Not 100, I wouldn't think that there was 100. 37:01.261 --> 37:01.841 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay. 37:02.141 --> 37:02.801 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 37:03.262 --> 37:03.622 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 37:03.842 --> 37:07.304 [SPEAKER_03]: If we hold themselves by holding themselves, we are, we have a picture with the one on air, okay. 37:07.664 --> 37:12.026 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, are there cameras inside this, uh, uh, where they process the, uh, prisoners and stuff? 37:13.487 --> 37:16.608 [SPEAKER_02]: So, we know now that they were at the time that we were requesting video. 37:16.628 --> 37:19.169 [SPEAKER_02]: They had originally said that there were no cameras anywhere 37:20.608 --> 37:26.251 [SPEAKER_02]: you know that they wouldn't be able to release any footage of my trees and side are outside of the job because they did not have cameras. 37:26.331 --> 37:34.495 [SPEAKER_02]: We pushed and pushed just because that doesn't even make common sense but they wouldn't be cameras and in fact at one time when they kept they when we were requesting for video. 37:35.455 --> 37:47.081 [SPEAKER_02]: They were saying like basically the family is you know the family in friends are crazy is basically like we don't have video and I just you know I had to address the share of the time and say if you don't have cameras on the outside of your station or on the 37:51.164 --> 37:52.524 [SPEAKER_02]: people know that because that's dangerous. 37:53.025 --> 37:58.406 [SPEAKER_02]: So at some point they realized that we weren't buying this fact that they didn't have video. 37:58.606 --> 38:08.409 [SPEAKER_02]: However, they continued to hold onto this fact that there was nobody on that they were not capable of even producing any video because it didn't exist. 38:08.929 --> 38:09.489 [SPEAKER_02]: What happened 38:13.172 --> 38:15.173 [SPEAKER_02]: a person who had visited that station. 38:15.214 --> 38:17.235 [SPEAKER_02]: He was, he wasn't self-inlonged enforcement. 38:17.496 --> 38:20.018 [SPEAKER_02]: So he was fully aware of the layout of the place. 38:20.078 --> 38:24.282 [SPEAKER_02]: So what he did was he rode out, or he helped me write out a written statement. 38:24.762 --> 38:29.286 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, look, if you say it in this way, then they're going to have to release it. 38:29.666 --> 38:32.228 [SPEAKER_02]: So I wrote everything down the way he instructed. 38:32.249 --> 38:35.732 [SPEAKER_02]: And myself, my treats with mom and her aunt got a meeting with the sheriff. 38:36.192 --> 38:39.395 [SPEAKER_02]: And we each had a copy of that statement and kind of agreed that, 38:40.207 --> 38:45.490 [SPEAKER_02]: at any point that one of us can read the statement we're going to read it and they're going to have to admit that they have the video and that's exactly what happened. 38:45.510 --> 38:56.815 [SPEAKER_02]: We met with them at some point I think that her on ended up reading the statement and then and then the captain of the station was there and he had to admit that he had the video and that it was in his nephew had it the entire time. 38:57.875 --> 39:07.060 [SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't there something also to about that there was some video inside the holding cell where she was holding a piece of paper one moment and then a second later was crumbled up and on the floor so there was some anything done to that video. 39:07.744 --> 39:23.033 [SPEAKER_02]: When we eventually so after they had to admit that they had the video the next step was getting them to let us view the video so it took even a couple of more months to even get them to allow us to stop to see the video so when we did we were only allowed to see it once and. 39:24.239 --> 39:37.589 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so you see her, you know, entering the jail with the, with the arresting officer in five of the jail, you see them, you know, taking off her shoes and, you know, the various things that you need to do, getting her fingerprints and mugshot, we saw that. 39:37.909 --> 39:47.637 [SPEAKER_02]: And while she was in the jail fail, you do see her, you know, I'm not going to say acting dramatically unusual, but if you know her. 39:48.645 --> 39:56.090 [SPEAKER_02]: You might, you know, say that some of her behaviors were unusual, but so she would, at certain point, she lay down in a fetal position. 39:56.510 --> 40:04.136 [SPEAKER_02]: She was like swinging on the door on the door, handle, kind of like babies do, you know, when babies are standing up on their crib, then they walk back from side to side. 40:04.476 --> 40:05.476 [SPEAKER_02]: She was kind of doing that. 40:05.837 --> 40:11.280 [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, there was a point where we saw her, I guess it would have been her discharge or intake paperwork, how we want to call it. 40:11.501 --> 40:13.502 [SPEAKER_02]: We saw it in her hand and she was walking around and reading it. 40:14.120 --> 40:15.701 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the next thing we knew it was gone. 40:16.061 --> 40:17.142 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't see her with it anymore. 40:17.222 --> 40:23.666 [SPEAKER_02]: And we thought, crumble up on the floor, but you, but we could not see how it got from her hand to then being crumbled up from the floor. 40:23.726 --> 40:24.686 [SPEAKER_02]: That part was not there. 40:25.107 --> 40:27.608 [SPEAKER_03]: And this surveillance video does everyone knows clock timers in the corner. 40:27.688 --> 40:28.809 [SPEAKER_03]: It's running against watching run. 40:29.881 --> 40:36.843 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so fortunately, since there were several of us reading it, we had agreed that we would all be writing down what we thought minute by minute. 40:37.203 --> 40:39.384 [SPEAKER_02]: So we kind of our way of transquiting it. 40:40.584 --> 40:45.145 [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, so each second, when something we notice, we would write down this at the time that we thought this. 40:45.266 --> 40:47.146 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have a lot to view the video, but you don't have a cop? 40:48.326 --> 40:52.728 [SPEAKER_02]: No, and what happened is when the attorney for the family 40:54.891 --> 40:57.632 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, when they were going through the lawsuit, he requested to see the video. 40:57.992 --> 41:03.894 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the video that they released to him, which he didn't see it when we did, but it was great. 41:04.174 --> 41:05.835 [SPEAKER_02]: He said you could not make out a thing. 41:05.875 --> 41:08.316 [SPEAKER_02]: The entire thing was grainy, and you couldn't see anything. 41:09.076 --> 41:14.978 [SPEAKER_02]: Which was, that's not the video that we saw because the video that we saw was not, you know, was grainy, but you can make out everything that was going on in it. 41:15.518 --> 41:22.601 [SPEAKER_02]: So, so he, so eventually, so we don't know if they contaminated the video or what happened. 41:23.811 --> 41:26.273 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, why the video that the attorney eventually thought was so grainy. 41:26.694 --> 41:28.735 [SPEAKER_02]: And he shortly after that the case settled. 41:28.795 --> 41:32.358 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the issue of the video wasn't up for discussion anymore. 41:32.458 --> 41:36.141 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, No, no, no, what about how many rest were made in that show at night? 41:37.543 --> 41:42.967 [SPEAKER_02]: From what I hear, there were three, three arrests, my treats and two other women. 41:43.648 --> 41:47.591 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe four because they claim that some other man was arrested later on that night. 41:50.070 --> 41:53.051 [SPEAKER_03]: How many of these people have come forward and said to them and talk to the family and talk to you? 41:53.592 --> 41:54.432 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone? 41:54.672 --> 41:55.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nobody. 41:55.332 --> 42:04.456 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody has access to them in the most unusual thing because I attended several of the deposition and and and while people. 42:05.272 --> 42:06.533 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have copies of that position. 42:06.773 --> 42:19.037 [SPEAKER_02]: And so while people were definitely going to be in this post, we're really speaking very compassionately about my treats and what happened to her and expressing concern, nobody has come, nobody has ever reached out. 42:19.698 --> 42:24.560 [SPEAKER_02]: The only only one person, and that was the person who was arrested right when my treat was leading. 42:24.620 --> 42:26.420 [SPEAKER_02]: She has, but otherwise nobody else. 42:27.541 --> 42:29.762 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, now my treat is mother, who is I believe, 42:31.520 --> 42:32.701 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take that with you. 42:32.721 --> 42:33.162 [SPEAKER_03]: That's easy. 42:33.242 --> 42:33.522 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 42:33.663 --> 42:34.444 [SPEAKER_03]: My tracing letter's. 42:34.824 --> 42:36.586 [SPEAKER_03]: Now let's take calls up the jail there. 42:37.327 --> 42:37.487 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 42:37.908 --> 42:38.969 [SPEAKER_03]: Which, how does she know? 42:39.009 --> 42:46.438 [SPEAKER_03]: Which, then there might be some work itself to find out the phone number for this little outposts, this little lost hills, little tiny station there. 42:47.119 --> 42:48.741 [SPEAKER_03]: Do we know how she found out where her daughter was taking? 42:49.422 --> 42:54.324 [SPEAKER_02]: So her grandmother, so when my, my trees made the phone call to her grandmother. 42:55.385 --> 43:00.968 [SPEAKER_02]: So the grandmother eventually called Lityson said, you know, my trees is at the restaurant and it looks like they're going to arrest her. 43:00.988 --> 43:05.610 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the grandmother had a little bit of information that she was able to provide to mom and mom did call the restaurant also. 43:06.392 --> 43:11.874 [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, it has to be the lost walls, the lost hills, the station, and then she finds a note of that place. 43:11.914 --> 43:12.874 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm now got on with those. 43:13.374 --> 43:15.635 [SPEAKER_03]: And now it's not like this is a lot of traffic going in it. 43:15.655 --> 43:16.295 [SPEAKER_03]: This isn't records. 43:16.375 --> 43:17.095 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know anything. 43:17.115 --> 43:17.355 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 43:17.635 --> 43:21.596 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a one guy in front of the front desk who sees everybody coming in going out. 43:21.616 --> 43:23.037 [SPEAKER_03]: He would know them by sight. 43:23.197 --> 43:23.997 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember it. 43:24.177 --> 43:24.437 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 43:24.817 --> 43:25.437 [SPEAKER_03]: What they were wearing. 43:25.737 --> 43:26.558 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a mystery. 43:27.078 --> 43:28.298 [SPEAKER_03]: The mother call is only that. 43:28.418 --> 43:30.179 [SPEAKER_02]: And the individual who answers the phone. 43:34.820 --> 43:35.680 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a doctor degree. 43:35.941 --> 43:37.601 [SPEAKER_02]: He owns like a hearing aid company. 43:38.002 --> 43:39.682 [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess he does does his share of work on this slide. 43:39.702 --> 43:44.725 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a man who has to pay attention to detail by the very nature of his training as a doctor. 43:44.745 --> 43:47.886 [SPEAKER_02]: The loan is training as a law enforcement officer. 43:48.226 --> 43:50.067 [SPEAKER_02]: So for them to say they don't know who's at that job. 43:50.087 --> 43:50.547 [SPEAKER_02]: There weren't that. 43:50.567 --> 43:52.208 [SPEAKER_02]: There weren't more than four people at that jail. 43:52.228 --> 43:52.428 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 43:52.548 --> 43:54.709 [SPEAKER_02]: And probably not more than two at any given time. 43:54.989 --> 43:55.990 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's one close and trouble. 43:57.434 --> 44:03.079 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, and I've heard those recordings of talking to the officers in the phone. 44:03.099 --> 44:20.873 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, well, call back in a couple hours, you know, oh, we're looking around, you know, look where, look over you know, you stand up and look, and then for them to even, you know, and then wait that she jumped on the bus when they know darn well that allows us to come out in that area, but not in, you know, midnight. 44:20.953 --> 44:23.395 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they stopped at like eight o'clock or something like that in the afternoon. 44:23.836 --> 44:24.096 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 44:24.116 --> 44:27.317 [SPEAKER_03]: These people should think of Andy Griffith show, you know, there's two cells. 44:27.897 --> 44:28.717 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the same thing. 44:28.917 --> 44:30.178 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 44:30.398 --> 44:31.538 [SPEAKER_02]: Which happens to be one of my favorite talk. 44:31.558 --> 44:42.060 [SPEAKER_02]: But it really is that type of environment, you know, modern day, but it's definitely that type of, I would imagine that any given time, there's way more officer at that station than there are people. 44:42.240 --> 44:45.261 [SPEAKER_03]: When people think Malibu is a big city, but Malibu is really a small town. 44:45.301 --> 44:45.841 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a small people. 44:45.861 --> 44:46.741 [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of billionaires live there. 44:46.781 --> 44:47.462 [SPEAKER_03]: Rich people and stuff. 44:47.522 --> 44:48.162 [SPEAKER_03]: It's famous. 44:48.322 --> 44:49.562 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not only that. 44:49.642 --> 44:50.542 [SPEAKER_02]: She wasn't for wild. 44:50.562 --> 44:51.863 [SPEAKER_02]: The restaurant is in Malibu. 44:53.803 --> 44:55.246 [SPEAKER_02]: the jail is actually in a Gore Hill. 44:55.828 --> 45:04.306 [SPEAKER_02]: So she, you know, driven from Malibu up 13 miles up the canyon to get to, you know, the Gore Hill's Calabatha area to be taken to jail. 45:04.587 --> 45:09.590 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and those hills and those canes up there is there's a coyotes, you know, and this is wild, wild area. 45:09.750 --> 45:10.271 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 45:10.311 --> 45:11.191 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 45:11.852 --> 45:12.252 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 45:13.153 --> 45:16.135 [SPEAKER_03]: So now the mother was calling to find out, how can I come pick up my kid? 45:16.155 --> 45:17.416 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you going to keep it there overnight? 45:17.716 --> 45:18.676 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, should I come in the morning? 45:18.716 --> 45:19.577 [SPEAKER_03]: If not, I'll come now. 45:20.097 --> 45:24.060 [SPEAKER_03]: And next thing we know, they'll let her out the middle of the night. 45:25.401 --> 45:25.621 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 45:25.641 --> 45:28.423 [SPEAKER_02]: So part of the mom's concern is that 45:29.153 --> 45:31.974 [SPEAKER_02]: the way that the nobody was quite sure what was going on with her. 45:31.994 --> 45:37.955 [SPEAKER_02]: So while they thought she was acting odd, meaning the restaurant thought she was acting odd, they weren't sure it is a mental health issue, it's like what's going on? 45:38.315 --> 45:48.878 [SPEAKER_02]: So somehow mom thought well if she's drunk then she'll be you know those to come in a drunk tank and she'll be really some time in the morning which is kind of what that's kind of the assumption that mom was going under at the time. 45:49.158 --> 45:57.800 [SPEAKER_02]: So when she and there's some there are there also are some conversations that were not taped that mom had with the that we don't have access to that mom had with the with the 46:00.201 --> 46:05.584 [SPEAKER_02]: So they had indicated that she was going to be released in the morning, but that release would have been, you know, to go to court. 46:06.004 --> 46:09.186 [SPEAKER_02]: So mom thought she was going to be released in the morning that she got to go to court. 46:09.206 --> 46:11.687 [SPEAKER_02]: Mom would have bail money to bail her out or whatever needs to happen at court. 46:12.568 --> 46:13.148 [SPEAKER_03]: So what do you do? 46:13.168 --> 46:13.709 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you do? 46:14.649 --> 46:14.989 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you do? 46:15.009 --> 46:16.510 [SPEAKER_03]: What do you do? 46:16.530 --> 46:18.571 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you do? 46:18.831 --> 46:19.632 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you do? 46:22.413 --> 46:24.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the court, I mean, yeah, I mean, meaning it would have been Thursday morning. 46:24.895 --> 46:31.961 [SPEAKER_02]: It would have been like mom thinking, they're probably going to go to court sometimes Thursday morning, because even here, where I live now here in Henderson, Nevada, the court to close on Friday. 46:32.442 --> 46:33.923 [SPEAKER_03]: You can make it in Henderson. 46:33.963 --> 46:34.904 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that a court on Friday? 46:34.924 --> 46:36.225 [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so you get blessed on the Thursday. 46:36.245 --> 46:36.945 [SPEAKER_03]: You guys will Monday. 46:37.326 --> 46:37.846 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, okay. 46:37.866 --> 46:43.071 [SPEAKER_02]: So her arrest in when you look at her arrest was her, she was at the arrest spot on Wednesday evening. 46:43.191 --> 46:43.711 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, got you. 46:44.171 --> 46:47.734 [SPEAKER_02]: So when she's arrested and released, it's 12 30 in the morning on Thursday. 46:47.755 --> 46:48.115 [SPEAKER_02]: Got you. 46:49.002 --> 46:56.604 [SPEAKER_02]: So when they said the morning and mom was assuming, okay, if she's drunk, whatever, mom's thinking, mom at the time also learned owned a legal processing service. 46:56.844 --> 47:02.125 [SPEAKER_02]: So she was, you see, new people would be, you know, she kind of knew the routine when people got arrested for being drunk. 47:02.165 --> 47:03.466 [SPEAKER_02]: She, okay, go to court and whatever. 47:03.786 --> 47:06.226 [SPEAKER_02]: So mom, when mom calls it's 430 in the morning. 47:06.467 --> 47:07.987 [SPEAKER_02]: So she's ready to get into her car. 47:08.823 --> 47:19.187 [SPEAKER_02]: At 430 in the morning to sit in the parking lot for however long, probably, you know, for a very long time, it was a few hours anyway, but she wanted to beat the traffic out there, because Mom's probably like an hour away from the station. 47:19.988 --> 47:27.671 [SPEAKER_02]: So even at 430 in the morning, she would have missed traffic, probably got there around 530 somewhere between 536 the clock in the morning, and then she would have just stayed, stayed posted in the station. 47:27.691 --> 47:33.833 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, whatever operating hours, or which would be like, you know, 8 o'clock or so, that was what her her assumption. 47:38.283 --> 47:45.377 [SPEAKER_03]: And Mel Gibson was arrested too for Dr. Ivan and was taking to this exact same jail and when they let him out at night, they they drove him home. 47:45.959 --> 47:46.600 [SPEAKER_02]: They drove him home. 47:46.640 --> 47:47.582 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. 47:47.702 --> 47:47.963 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 47:48.784 --> 47:53.348 [SPEAKER_03]: but they didn't drive the trees, much trees, might trees, they didn't drive her anywhere. 47:54.169 --> 48:09.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Not only did they not drive her anywhere, they are points where they say, while she was in jail, she was talking to her to friends and the initial statement from the jailers around Pondens was that she was talking with her friends and that she was gonna go hang out with her friends, sometimes after she was released. 48:10.730 --> 48:14.893 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, subsequently we learned that the telephone, never won my treat since she didn't have a credit card. 48:14.913 --> 48:17.675 [SPEAKER_02]: She couldn't make a phone from the jail inside the jail cell. 48:17.995 --> 48:19.676 [SPEAKER_02]: Not to mention the fact that it was broken in the first place. 48:20.777 --> 48:25.780 [SPEAKER_02]: So the phone that they would allow her to use, it did not, it only dialed locally. 48:26.280 --> 48:33.765 [SPEAKER_02]: So while they have a phone that they'll give to you, she wouldn't have been able to call her grandmother her mother or her friend who lived well outside of the zone that that phone reached. 48:36.226 --> 48:41.508 [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's really no record of the phone call she made, but the jail claim she was making arrangements with friends. 48:42.969 --> 48:47.110 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so the jailer claims that she heard her making arrangements with friend. 48:47.550 --> 48:50.892 [SPEAKER_02]: Now they have never and still refused to release the phone record. 48:51.732 --> 48:52.252 [SPEAKER_02]: That would at least. 48:53.433 --> 48:56.414 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, give the number of the alcohol going call calls that she doesn't really need. 48:57.134 --> 49:01.456 [SPEAKER_02]: So there is no record of any phone call being placed at that time from that station from that phone. 49:01.736 --> 49:03.817 [SPEAKER_03]: Now that's interesting, but she could have made a local phone call. 49:05.612 --> 49:11.874 [SPEAKER_02]: she could have made a local phone call, but even if she would have made a local phone call, they would most phones would be recorded. 49:11.894 --> 49:12.034 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 49:12.214 --> 49:19.877 [SPEAKER_02]: So there would be record of those phone call being, there's no phone call locally or anywhere from that phone at that time during the time that she was there. 49:20.077 --> 49:21.818 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it possible she knew somebody there with with her? 49:22.688 --> 49:31.137 [SPEAKER_02]: It's possible because the RAD dance studio is in the Woodland Hills area, so that's not too far from that relative. 49:31.157 --> 49:33.299 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe it's the 20-minute ride from the station. 49:33.679 --> 49:45.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, my treat was considering, oh, I'm sorry, the reason why I say that about CR dance studio is that on that day, she supposedly, she had an interview at CR dance studio on that day that she would have been on that Wednesday. 49:46.572 --> 49:47.272 [SPEAKER_02]: that she went missing. 49:47.493 --> 49:50.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, my treats was considering going to Pepperdine for graduate school. 49:50.674 --> 49:57.737 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know that she had been there to kind of check out the campus and watch you jog. 49:57.757 --> 49:59.998 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's very well with could have known somebody in the air, you know? 50:00.018 --> 50:00.298 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 50:00.959 --> 50:01.319 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 50:01.739 --> 50:04.280 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, but then again, kids today, they got all their numbers stored in their phones. 50:04.300 --> 50:04.720 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean? 50:04.740 --> 50:05.981 [SPEAKER_03]: They don't remember phone numbers. 50:06.721 --> 50:06.961 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 50:06.981 --> 50:08.362 [SPEAKER_02]: So one of the reasons why my treat 50:11.278 --> 50:38.065 [SPEAKER_02]: new by heart with her grandmother's phone number and that's because her grandmother had that phone number longer than my trees with the live so my trees didn't have any other phone number memorized which is honestly causing it much argument between my trees and I because we argue about that a lot because once her car got stranded on the freeway and her phone battery was dead and she was very close to she was very she was very close to to my office and I was like well why didn't you just go into you know a restaurant and call me she didn't have nobody's 50:41.087 --> 50:46.051 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, and people they get locked up and then, you know, you're in there, you know, there's no phone book in here, you know, you don't like to be a phone number. 50:46.492 --> 50:46.852 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 50:46.872 --> 50:47.353 [SPEAKER_03]: You're stuck. 50:47.793 --> 50:48.974 [SPEAKER_03]: And this happens all the time. 50:48.994 --> 50:49.635 [SPEAKER_03]: It's very, very time. 50:49.715 --> 50:53.518 [SPEAKER_02]: And people and and people have, you know, you people have cell phones nowadays. 50:53.578 --> 50:53.738 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 50:53.919 --> 50:57.302 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can, you know, with information, you're not going to get, you know, anybody. 50:58.034 --> 50:59.355 [SPEAKER_02]: know, which is why I was telling her. 50:59.375 --> 51:03.678 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you know, anyway, and I know there was me to memorize at least one, you know, a couple of phone numbers. 51:03.778 --> 51:04.958 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, public service and everything. 51:04.978 --> 51:05.479 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 51:05.499 --> 51:07.100 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, we're wearing some phone numbers. 51:07.480 --> 51:12.063 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, because you're going to have to check by once or two later on, you know, I'm on the phone. 51:12.083 --> 51:12.463 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm on the phone. 51:12.483 --> 51:13.104 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you can trust. 51:13.124 --> 51:16.526 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you could be, I, you know, what about some or good psychiatrist? 51:16.986 --> 51:26.032 [SPEAKER_03]: What about, um, uh, there was film of her leaving the this jail and as an officer, sheriff who's leaving shortly behind her. 51:26.652 --> 51:26.812 [SPEAKER_03]: What's 51:28.540 --> 51:45.774 [SPEAKER_02]: So when we, one of the things that we had suspected was just knowing my trees, it's not likely that my trees was just going to walk out in the dark, even if she was in a compromise mental state, you're still not going to do things that are way that much out of character things that are frightening for you my trees had a 51:46.818 --> 52:13.502 [SPEAKER_02]: almost pathological fear of the dark so much so that one day I came to the office very early maybe with seven o'clock and it was one of those days where it's still very dark even at seven o'clock in the morning and she was supposed to be at the office but she was too afraid to get out of her car her to go you know to get into the office to unlock the office to go inside because it was too dark and and we're talking my office door was not even 20 feet from where her car was so to imagine her walking out into darkness 52:14.513 --> 52:15.634 [SPEAKER_02]: everybody knew a perfume of the dark. 52:15.654 --> 52:16.914 [SPEAKER_02]: So that didn't make any sense. 52:17.475 --> 52:23.118 [SPEAKER_02]: So we began to think, you know what, if she were walking around, would she get into the car with anybody? 52:23.558 --> 52:27.060 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that she would get into the car with anybody, but my treat is definitely what have gotten in the car with an officer. 52:27.421 --> 52:32.604 [SPEAKER_02]: So we just did not even accuse it, not necessarily accusing, but just like saying, what are the possibilities? 52:33.224 --> 52:36.006 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we began to ask, was it any officer that left after my treat? 52:36.326 --> 52:43.410 [SPEAKER_02]: And they said, no, not only were there no officers that left after my treat, there were no officers that were in the station when my treat was released. 52:44.315 --> 53:06.128 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so when we finally see the video, what happened is the video, when she's released, she walked out of the back of the back door with the tow cars off are so the so the jailers, you're on comments and her walk out of that back door to have it together, not out of the front of the station and so it's when you see it's a pitch lack. 53:06.668 --> 53:11.390 [SPEAKER_02]: And so when you see them walk out of the door and the next thing you see is because back you think that that's the end of the video. 53:11.410 --> 53:12.431 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how dark it was. 53:12.971 --> 53:18.874 [SPEAKER_02]: So at that point the the detectives who are showing us the video and all the officials who are showing us the video. 53:19.094 --> 53:20.955 [SPEAKER_02]: They kind of turned you know like okay, that's it. 53:20.975 --> 53:21.836 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's the end of the video. 53:22.156 --> 53:25.638 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we started arguing because we were already pissed, you know, saying things like wait a minute. 53:25.798 --> 53:27.358 [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, you said there was no video at all. 53:27.639 --> 53:28.699 [SPEAKER_02]: Now you're showing us the video. 53:28.719 --> 53:30.200 [SPEAKER_02]: Now you're showing us the video we're walking on tonight. 53:30.420 --> 53:34.302 [SPEAKER_02]: So because we were arguing, that's the only reason why the tape was still rolling. 53:34.802 --> 53:36.424 [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, we thought it was the end of the tape, too. 53:36.684 --> 53:39.146 [SPEAKER_02]: So two minutes later, all of a sudden, we see light come back on. 53:39.186 --> 53:43.910 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we all turn and look at the screen, and there was an officer leaving right out of the different door. 53:44.651 --> 53:45.572 [SPEAKER_03]: That took her away. 53:45.592 --> 53:50.196 [SPEAKER_03]: Two questions, first of all, then when she's walking out that door, you described her in the jail cell as being in a fetal position. 53:50.696 --> 54:00.725 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, when she's walking out that door, would you describe her as being more on a range or scale, more of being in a fetal type position or more in a manic kind of phase, like maybe like skipping out of there? 54:01.736 --> 54:10.359 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, when I, I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't have said she was in a field position, you know, no, not when she was walking out, I think, um, and I wouldn't say manic. 54:13.319 --> 54:18.381 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I mean, I, I can't speculate, but. 54:19.618 --> 54:22.098 [SPEAKER_03]: maybe compute that might be the best way. 54:22.399 --> 54:28.460 [SPEAKER_03]: So, not manic, but it's kind of like, so, but it's a wrap talking about like, because, you know, she was bound that are really extremely remote areas. 54:28.480 --> 54:36.981 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, and she would have to be wanting to the tickets and trees and the overboulders and stuff like that, like, in a manic phase, you know, which could happen, you know? 54:37.221 --> 54:43.282 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the fact that it happens here, out of the lake, people, they get dehydrated, they take their clothes off, they run around and they're circling, they're gonna go to the cool off. 54:44.063 --> 54:45.943 [SPEAKER_03]: You find them dead out there, oh, they're gonna, you know, a couple weeks later. 54:46.609 --> 54:48.151 [SPEAKER_03]: That can't stop happens, you know? 54:48.312 --> 54:49.453 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 54:49.774 --> 54:58.768 [SPEAKER_02]: I certainly, and just because I've been some of you are working in a psychiatric hospital, so I'm certainly aware of the capabilities, you know, of when people are manic, the things that they are capable of. 54:59.108 --> 55:00.831 [SPEAKER_02]: So is it possible? 55:01.680 --> 55:18.545 [SPEAKER_02]: And in this case, I don't know that it would be possible or probable and only because the location and when we were eventually taken to the area where my trees was, we literally had to go in with the search and rescue team and we literally had to have equipment to get to where her body was. 55:19.967 --> 55:24.749 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, however, adjacent to where her body was a 21 acre porn ranch. 55:24.769 --> 55:25.609 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get into that. 55:25.669 --> 55:26.630 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get into it. 55:26.650 --> 55:32.873 [SPEAKER_03]: That's because, by the way, to the location where she was found, she was a location of a flandest and marijuana field as well. 55:33.593 --> 55:33.773 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 55:33.793 --> 55:34.453 [SPEAKER_03]: General area. 55:34.733 --> 55:36.114 [SPEAKER_03]: And who else? 55:36.174 --> 55:36.414 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 55:36.434 --> 55:37.375 [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to grow area. 55:37.415 --> 55:38.815 [SPEAKER_03]: You're logging in and out poses. 55:39.315 --> 55:39.515 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 55:39.635 --> 55:40.596 [SPEAKER_03]: Fertilizer and stuff like that. 55:41.116 --> 55:42.737 [SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to have a search and rescue team with you. 55:43.217 --> 55:44.118 [SPEAKER_03]: You do it at that. 55:44.318 --> 55:44.758 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. 55:44.778 --> 55:52.302 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why the way that they took us in, yeah, it's not practical unlike it's not practical or probable that she could have gotten in that way. 55:52.643 --> 56:03.169 [SPEAKER_03]: So look, let's touch on basin it because it's a Susie Randall owns a 21 acre ranch there, which is a huge pornography business and they do filming up there and stuff like that. 56:03.229 --> 56:04.910 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is right adjacent to where she was found. 56:05.290 --> 56:13.452 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, the most easy access to that location, either for the sheriff's to go looking for this grow operation or for your family would be through that ranch, am I correct? 56:14.012 --> 56:14.432 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 56:14.693 --> 56:27.956 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can't get away from this because we kind of skip the head, but you can't get away with the, uh, away from the fact that, uh, everything is just so hanky with this. 56:28.556 --> 56:33.598 [SPEAKER_03]: What about, no, the officer who followed her out that night, uh, that we discussed before. 56:36.410 --> 56:40.032 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, and then it is you made a statement some to be effective. 56:40.432 --> 56:43.134 [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't involved in any of that nonsense that was going on in that night. 56:43.854 --> 56:59.502 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what do you know until I reached I had reached out to the department and said, well, if it's no Rodriguez would make this statement to a reporter about not being a part of that nonsense could you please define what he meant by that nonsense. 57:00.382 --> 57:03.084 [SPEAKER_02]: And they never they won't know no response to that. 57:04.613 --> 57:05.214 [SPEAKER_03]: How old is this guy? 57:05.234 --> 57:06.195 [SPEAKER_03]: British National Orange Regas. 57:07.116 --> 57:17.090 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know when I, I don't know, I mean, I don't know how, the most current picture that I see is the input from maybe in his early 30s, but I don't know. 57:17.130 --> 57:17.490 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 57:17.951 --> 57:19.713 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, it's time to take commercial break. 57:20.134 --> 57:22.277 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we're here with Dr. Ronda and Elham. 57:23.707 --> 57:40.614 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, her website is five pages of notes here, her website is reachformentalhealth.com We're talking about the case of my troops Richardson, as a documentary just came out world, lost compassion, did you find that on Vimeo, I'll have a link on the in the description of this show. 57:41.514 --> 57:42.695 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a couple of Facebook pages. 57:43.215 --> 57:48.159 [SPEAKER_03]: What's compassion, Facebook page, and find my trees Richard and Facebook page. 57:48.559 --> 57:55.825 [SPEAKER_03]: Fascinated story, this is way more than we're going to be able to cover here, but the way more that it meets there with this case will be right back after these messages. 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