WEBVTT 00:00.091 --> 00:14.054 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody, this is your boy John Ake, a capitalist ass here, and so again on today's episode of Geeks from the Multiverse, we're going to be talking about some Marvel news, some casting, some rumors, all kinds of things that are going to be related to the upcoming MCU. 00:14.174 --> 00:15.834 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's get geeky. 00:38.681 --> 00:40.242 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, what's going on, everybody? 00:40.402 --> 00:42.444 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Geeks from the Multiverse. 00:42.704 --> 00:48.468 [SPEAKER_00]: I am one of your host, Grumpy Beard, and with me as always, is, yeah, the last day is, what's up, y'all? 00:48.528 --> 00:52.711 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yes, today, like I just mentioned before, is gonna be all of my Marvel news. 00:52.731 --> 00:56.713 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not even gonna do a whole lot of, like we normally do like CTAs and all that stuff. 00:57.174 --> 00:59.976 [SPEAKER_01]: We're really gonna just dive into this 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really dive in is I know you and I have talked a lot about how Marvel needs to figure their shit out in general. 02:42.158 --> 03:04.024 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, we're going to talk about two kind of main movies that are really coming or I guess one that came out, but then one also that is also up and coming, but, you know, I will say that right now, I'm still pretty hesitant about how the fuck they're actually going to do all this shit in and it's sad where, you know, Marvel, well, but that Marvel knows. 03:04.044 --> 03:05.085 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say that Matt and I 03:05.885 --> 03:25.683 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when we first started like talking and like, you know, just being hanging out in his friends and all this, like we did a lot of talking about Marvel, you know, of course we do games on all the other stuff, but Marvel was a really good talking point because at that time, we were, you know, Marvel was still huge, like it was still a big thing, but now it's like, you know, when I will, you know, we'll joke him or go. 03:26.952 --> 03:40.324 [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck is half the shit going on like you know like I said app and that's why we're saying like after endgame really Took a fucking left turn out like in right field because then you're like what the fuck are we doing right now like what is actually going on because 03:41.768 --> 03:56.545 [SPEAKER_01]: when they, when they broke it down into the different, like sagas, they're like the different like the multiverse saga, you know, and then you're like, oh boy, how, how well it was this gonna fucking work and how well is this shit actually gonna make sense to what the fuck they're doing? 03:56.985 --> 03:57.486 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no. 03:57.626 --> 04:00.469 [SPEAKER_00]: And now you really have to, to finish. 04:01.296 --> 04:13.240 [SPEAKER_00]: You really have to kill off the multi versus in order for you to get to where you need to get to and we're going to get there, but I do want to mention some news because we've had. 04:14.280 --> 04:15.961 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the big comicon already. 04:17.101 --> 04:17.361 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 04:17.821 --> 04:25.063 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've also had D 23 happened, which is Disney's common on it, basically their Disney con, whatever. 04:27.564 --> 04:29.825 [SPEAKER_00]: But we we have some castings. 04:30.800 --> 04:41.309 [SPEAKER_00]: And like we're going to we're going to definitely talk about doomsday we're going to talk about spider man, spoon or man, spoon or man, you know, um, but I do because there's there's a lot of casting news. 04:41.910 --> 04:43.612 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, we have a ghost writer. 04:43.632 --> 04:44.592 [SPEAKER_00]: We have like Panther. 04:44.612 --> 04:49.557 [SPEAKER_00]: We have X men that have all been announced as as playing roles now. 04:50.757 --> 05:00.971 [SPEAKER_00]: The first one, I know that you're not quite sold on, but I do think he could do a pretty decent job as long as they do it the right way, though that's what we'll always say. 05:01.432 --> 05:05.057 [SPEAKER_00]: But the first one is Ryan Gosling as Ghost Rider. 05:07.135 --> 05:36.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody know who I got saying I mean drive blade runner 249 the nice guys use in barbie remember the titans like I could go on and on the fall guy he's he's going to be in star war star fighter of course he is And I do think gossling can play This role I mean he does have a weird ability to play guys who barely talk true and still make it interesting the only thing that I will say 05:38.105 --> 05:44.868 [SPEAKER_00]: is you cannot make him basically deadpool with a Harley. 05:45.028 --> 05:51.270 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you cannot just make him the same type of character deadpool is just with a flaming skull in the motor cycle. 05:51.875 --> 06:00.619 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that's the thing, too, is like, you know, you look at Deadpool and how, you know, Ryan Reynolds has really created that role for himself. 06:01.400 --> 06:16.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Gosling now has to, in the sense, like, when you look at Nicholas Cage, right, when he played Ghost Rider originally, he was a very serious actor playing that role and that, and when you're looking at Ghost Rider, he's not, he's not funny. 06:17.845 --> 06:21.827 [SPEAKER_01]: He's very serious, you know, and it's like it's not a, it's not a comedy role. 06:21.907 --> 06:33.733 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very like, you really have to play the part the right way, because you said, MC, I mean, you know, MC, they have a habit of, like, every character needs to be like this wise cracking. 06:33.753 --> 06:38.055 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but it ain't like, look at John birth, I'll play in Punisher. 06:38.095 --> 06:40.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, sure, he made a fan. 06:40.156 --> 06:42.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Some funny quarks a lot of, but it's not like he's, 06:44.166 --> 06:48.649 [SPEAKER_01]: he's making a fucking joke every two seconds like you know like he's supposed to be a like he was a Spider-Man. 06:49.290 --> 06:52.792 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, why not jump in, now we're going to talk about that. 06:52.812 --> 06:56.314 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, yes, I know I can I get it like they have to do it right. 06:56.454 --> 07:09.823 [SPEAKER_00]: It has to be like it has to be hell and demons, Mephesto, motorcycles, his flaming like you can't make it like he's 07:11.364 --> 07:22.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Ironman or deadpool or like the weird version of Thor in the last one, yeah, you just you can't make them do that you have to sell them as what he is like 07:25.018 --> 07:34.000 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and that's where I'm saying like I'm not saying Ryan Gosling isn't a good actor I'm just saying that he needs to play the role correctly now I'm not just going to blame him. 07:34.460 --> 07:37.661 [SPEAKER_01]: It also needs to be written right correctly That's what verse. 07:37.681 --> 07:39.721 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think he's a good choice. 07:39.761 --> 07:51.643 [SPEAKER_00]: It just depends on how they do it So I'm gonna move on to our new black Panther, which will be Dave Johnson So I will admit that he was an alien Romulus and he was really good in that. 07:51.783 --> 07:53.584 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cuz like I'm in the long walk 07:54.544 --> 07:56.625 [SPEAKER_00]: which is a Stephen King book, by the way. 07:57.005 --> 07:57.385 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. 07:57.405 --> 07:57.826 [SPEAKER_00]: Good to know. 07:57.986 --> 08:08.630 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was going to say was as like, because I did see a photo of him, and I mean, yes, I would say, again, you know, rest in peace, Chadwick Boseman, for sure. 08:08.710 --> 08:12.232 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he definitely had that role, and it sucks that it happened the way it did. 08:12.272 --> 08:21.376 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, sure, like when you look at, you know, Chadwick doing his thing there, and then of course, you know, he passed on, and then, you know, sure, he taking the role of the new 08:23.917 --> 08:26.559 [SPEAKER_01]: still doesn't make any fucking sense of my opinion, but whatever, that's what they did. 08:26.579 --> 08:47.353 [SPEAKER_01]: And then now they're basically he's playing the son of Tachala, which is fine, which makes, I'm glad that they decided to go with that instead of continuing on with Sherry, because I think, you know, when you're looking at the lineage and like kind of like the, I don't know, I guess the comics down the road, whatever, sure, do it that way because honestly, I'd rather see that. 08:48.323 --> 08:57.485 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it sucks that, you know, we couldn't see more of Tachalla doing it, but I'd rather at least see his son than do the role than trying to have Sherry the entire time. 08:57.525 --> 09:14.948 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm hoping that, yeah, hopefully it's like a kind of like a redemption role, you know, and seeing how that, you know, especially with Doomsday and everything else that's going forward, like secret wars and hopefully in the, like, just more in general when it comes to MCU, but the problem is, and I know you and I both know this, just like with 09:17.776 --> 09:24.563 [SPEAKER_01]: The new Black Panther is that if you only have one fucking movie and don't fucking show any follow-up 09:26.038 --> 09:27.878 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have years of fucking space. 09:28.718 --> 09:34.139 [SPEAKER_01]: This is where you're gonna fuck it up even more because now you're, we're definitely not gonna know what the fuck is going on with Ghost Rider. 09:34.599 --> 09:38.840 [SPEAKER_01]: And we sure should ain't gonna know what the fuck, Black Panther's gonna be doing for that, you know, that time frame. 09:39.320 --> 09:42.021 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have to, you have to do something with it. 09:42.441 --> 09:54.103 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm gonna move on to the, so this was at D23, they announced the MCU X-Men, yeah, I know. 09:57.972 --> 10:01.995 [SPEAKER_00]: The very first one, I mean, she was already inspired her man brand new day. 10:02.015 --> 10:03.736 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Sadie Sink. 10:04.296 --> 10:07.998 [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know who she is, she was stranger things. 10:10.160 --> 10:14.742 [SPEAKER_00]: She was also in this Netflix horror series called Fear Street. 10:17.324 --> 10:18.545 [SPEAKER_00]: But she's been in a few things. 10:18.605 --> 10:22.467 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not the only thing that she's been in, but those are, I think the biggest things. 10:23.568 --> 10:23.808 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, 10:26.339 --> 10:30.260 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a problem with her playing Jean Gray at all. 10:31.921 --> 10:38.944 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll get to this when we talk about Spider-Man, but I don't know if Jean Gray belonged in brand new day. 10:39.044 --> 10:49.627 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I'm gonna talk about that later, but no, I mean, we both can agree on that part, but yes, no, I mean, I know that the casting, I know we're gonna be talking more about the casting here, 10:52.563 --> 11:04.514 [SPEAKER_01]: So the only problem is, and I know you'll go on with the casting two here in a minute, is that it's so far with what they've chosen, especially with X men and kind of seeing who's who and what's what. 11:05.155 --> 11:13.423 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm sure, if they want to really redo the kind of younger versions of X men, because that's basically what all of this is. 11:13.503 --> 11:17.807 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you're gonna see the fact that they're trying to, 11:19.861 --> 11:31.965 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess re-create what they have already done and it sucks because like sure I'm not saying to bring in the old fox, you know, you know, Xman, you know, series and all that because again, I get it. 11:31.985 --> 11:43.288 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a separate universe that's a separate thing that was going on, but I'm hoping that whole universe is going to get pruned in doing that right we all know that it's going to get screwed at any point, but no, I'm just saying that it, 11:45.058 --> 11:48.540 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting to see, like, but I'll let you continue on with the casting. 11:48.580 --> 11:51.722 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, we'll see how well this goes, especially in the new new. 11:52.022 --> 11:54.743 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I do think she'll be a good gene gray. 11:55.023 --> 11:58.465 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I think we have to, like, it's one of those things again. 11:58.525 --> 12:05.189 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to see the Earth as gene gray multiple times before it will sink in. 12:05.469 --> 12:06.749 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is who she is. 12:06.789 --> 12:08.410 [SPEAKER_00]: This is who she is. 12:08.930 --> 12:11.052 [SPEAKER_00]: So the next one I have is Kid Connor. 12:12.092 --> 12:32.683 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... he is known for heart stopper i don't know if i've ever seen that or fair which is actually pretty good movie and he did some voice work as bright bill in the wild robot okay oh i don't okay i've seen that movie but i don't know that okay um... so 12:33.998 --> 12:46.789 [SPEAKER_00]: I think when you look at, you have to kind of look at who they cast it and he's considerably younger than most of the actors that marble has built franchises around, correct. 12:47.349 --> 12:57.538 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think if you look at Kit Connor and why they chose him as cyclops, I mean it makes sense when you look at Sadie sink as Jean Grey because they're both young. 13:03.310 --> 13:07.375 [SPEAKER_00]: they plan on thinking a long term with a lot of these casting. 13:07.395 --> 13:20.870 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that's what I'm going to say is because just like with the new Black Panther and just like what's wearing us and being, you know, Johnny Blaise being, you know, of course goes right or you have to really commit because like I said, when you look at RDJ. 13:21.451 --> 13:22.472 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at Chris Evans. 13:22.492 --> 13:29.797 [SPEAKER_01]: You look at, um, Crimson's worth, you know, Mark Waffle, all these guys, they've committed to years of doing it. 13:29.857 --> 13:32.118 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to do this one off and say, okay, see you later. 13:32.378 --> 13:35.500 [SPEAKER_01]: Like fucking moonlight, don't even get me started in that fucking show. 13:35.540 --> 13:40.123 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just saying, like, don't do that shit because I'm telling you, you're going to lose. 13:40.904 --> 13:42.825 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like what, what's the fucking point of doing it? 13:42.905 --> 13:43.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of a deal. 13:43.766 --> 13:43.946 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:44.286 --> 13:47.789 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, if you know Cyclops, I mean, even in the Fox 13:50.230 --> 13:56.812 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, considered a leader, a tactician, and yeah, he was occasionally a pretty, pretty big asshole. 13:57.272 --> 13:58.993 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, no, he was, he was a major asshole. 13:59.013 --> 14:02.914 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was basically a major asshole to fucking Wolverine, which it's funny. 14:03.374 --> 14:06.995 [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually one of the castings they did not actually show at all. 14:07.015 --> 14:14.098 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think, I mean, I don't think Wolverine is being like really considered right now as far as like the, because the next thing after 14:15.281 --> 14:41.544 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... secret wars is really is a secret wars probably just ends the multiverse thing is that's like there this is like the mutant saga no and i got that's their next saga i get that but the issue is is that we all know like if yes and i know man and i at least have it watched this it was with uh... it was mismarble that stupid is that little tv show that they had like the one offing and the right at the end of the guy goes 14:43.595 --> 14:44.716 [SPEAKER_01]: It must be the mutant gene. 14:44.896 --> 15:09.490 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, you mother fucker like you don't just randomly say that and then not say it like don't bring any of the shit in and then this is what I'm saying that show came out I don't know how many years ago now, but now we're talking about X man now we're talking about all this shit I still think that they have a serious problem if they if they announced like oh so and so is playing Wolverine and then so and so is playing Magneto. 15:10.511 --> 15:16.097 [SPEAKER_00]: You have a serious fucking problem because if it's somebody like Christopher Abbott or kick, you know, Kit Connor. 15:17.179 --> 15:21.043 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm like, you cannot have the same fucking histories if they're in their 20s. 15:21.423 --> 15:24.647 [SPEAKER_00]: No, because Logan needs to be a lot older. 15:25.248 --> 15:29.453 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he needs to be in his like, at least I would honestly, I would say. 15:31.250 --> 15:59.007 [SPEAKER_01]: So like with at least with I know you're going to talk about Professor X2, but like Professor X and Magneto, they need to at least if they're doing this the right way they need to be roughly the same age because that's how it should be but Logan should be I would say if you're going to pick an actor I would say pick somebody that was in there like mid 30s early 40s and that and that's where I would look at because they have to be a lot a little bit older than what Jean Gray storm and all these other characters are because 15:59.967 --> 16:06.653 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, storm technically, I feel like is a little bit older than, you know, jingray and all them. 16:06.673 --> 16:10.376 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not by much, but like a little bit, they should be a little bit older. 16:10.956 --> 16:14.800 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, like an age wise, but like that's what I'm saying is like all these characters need to be. 16:16.135 --> 16:36.947 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, as close as you can get to like what they should be, but like even beast, you know, beast is technically, I'm not saying the same age is like professor acts, but like he's like definitely a little bit older than storm, but it's like, you know, so it's it again, it really needs to be as close as you can get with with that, but like. 16:38.275 --> 16:44.237 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why I'm saying I'm still skeptical on how we're going to see this and in, you know, uh, doomsday right now, but yeah. 16:44.537 --> 16:44.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 16:45.057 --> 16:51.979 [SPEAKER_00]: So Professor Charles Xavier is going to be Christopher Abbott. 16:53.019 --> 16:53.219 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 16:54.079 --> 16:57.020 [SPEAKER_00]: And Christopher Abbott is he's actually 40. 16:57.440 --> 16:57.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 16:57.660 --> 16:59.561 [SPEAKER_01]: So at least at least that's good. 17:00.201 --> 17:03.242 [SPEAKER_00]: But he was in, he was in Wolfman, which was the 2025 remake. 17:05.393 --> 17:25.297 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... sanctuary he played a character in craven the hunter i did not know that i did not know that either uh... he was in a another movie called professor uh... tv show that was uh... the center uh... okay uh... poor things uh... it comes at night uh... some some you know these are like smaller movies but 17:27.525 --> 17:28.305 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be curious. 17:29.086 --> 17:30.286 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got to be bald man. 17:30.567 --> 17:37.250 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to say this right now, or have some kind of like skull cap at this point because if he's going to keep the hair, we've got an issue. 17:38.690 --> 17:41.992 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I would think that he would be bald. 17:42.312 --> 17:47.415 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that he could do a pretty decent job, but it's just, we'll say. 17:47.495 --> 17:53.678 [SPEAKER_00]: I think with the casting, it's nice to see that they're just not trying to like recreate 17:54.732 --> 17:58.555 [SPEAKER_00]: Patrick Stewart Xavier, yeah, that's what I hope that they're not doing. 17:58.756 --> 18:11.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, so here's the thing and this is what I keep telling you is that, you know, when you look at Patrick Stewart and you look at him and Kevin and in all the ones that were playing the roles at that time, there's a reason why Patrick Stewart did a really good job. 18:11.427 --> 18:18.733 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why Ian McKellen did a really good job at McNeil, like they fit that role really well, and it made a lot of sense, but like, 18:19.554 --> 18:39.112 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Dan, well, that, you know, I understand that the Russo brothers were trying to, I mean, I'm going to say it because they're trying to do the same thing like they did in endgame, especially with doomsday and cigarette wars, I'm going to say it if you're going to recreate this, do it, it doesn't have to be necessarily the same hype. 18:40.264 --> 18:43.066 [SPEAKER_01]: But make it your own and make it different in some way. 18:43.086 --> 18:47.969 [SPEAKER_01]: So that way, hopefully when we're watching this, you're not just trying to be in the nostalgic. 18:47.989 --> 18:53.392 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not trying to be this, oh well, it has to be like that same environment as like this. 18:53.452 --> 18:56.895 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it needs to have its own presence. 18:57.035 --> 19:01.738 [SPEAKER_01]: It needs to have its own way of saying it without having to be like, oh well, by the way, we're just doing endgame all over again. 19:02.578 --> 19:06.820 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, like, keep it different, you know, but I agree with you. 19:06.840 --> 19:13.183 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some of these actors so far, I mean, I'm, like I said, I'm only skeptical because you're right. 19:13.263 --> 19:14.904 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to see them in action. 19:14.924 --> 19:18.746 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to see what they're going to look like, you know, because that's the other thing. 19:18.946 --> 19:23.028 [SPEAKER_01]: Biggest thing, honestly, right now, you have to see what they look like. 19:23.208 --> 19:28.411 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're praying to God that they actually have the right costumes, because that's going to be key, especially if you want to 19:31.477 --> 19:39.979 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, especially like cyclops and in jingray and beast and eventually storming all them like you need to make sure that and especially with professor acts. 19:40.919 --> 19:44.219 [SPEAKER_01]: You need to make sure like it's as accurate as you can fucking get. 19:46.340 --> 19:54.221 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the next one is she was casted as rogue, which is indeed not not for it. 19:55.682 --> 19:55.882 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope 19:58.250 --> 19:59.531 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I, you know what, go ahead. 19:59.551 --> 20:25.668 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to keep talking about her name is actually Danielle Fabbiola Navarret and I don't know where she gets indie from, but anyways, indie Navarrete, she most recently was in the movie obsession, which she was really freaking good in that movie. 20:27.150 --> 20:42.383 [SPEAKER_00]: But she's really like her acting career started on the line in this like YouTube kind of short TV show kind of thing. 20:43.503 --> 20:49.188 [SPEAKER_00]: And she landed a role in the Netflix series 13 reasons why. 20:50.969 --> 21:01.838 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was also in the CW's version of Superman and Lois, which was, you know, 21 to 2024. 21:01.878 --> 21:10.464 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she was in every episode, but she played a role in that, but she's been cast as a rogue. 21:11.505 --> 21:16.729 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cause I'm looking at, like the cause I couldn't remember everybody's face. 21:18.002 --> 21:36.412 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, I so far, I can see why they chose the people so far, but it is going to be interesting to see what they look like, you know, like, for example, like rogue, because I'm like looking at her and I know she's like naturally it looks like black hair in this and that. 21:36.432 --> 21:44.456 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a granted when you look at rogue and the like animated series and other things, she's got like kind of like a brunette, but like has that stroke of white and then, you know, right. 21:48.795 --> 21:51.017 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where I say it, it's going to be tough. 21:51.317 --> 21:59.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it is you and I both know like if Professor X, you know, like I said, if he, they better make them bald. 21:59.724 --> 22:00.504 [SPEAKER_01]: They better make them bald. 22:00.584 --> 22:11.773 [SPEAKER_01]: And they better, I mean, when they showed Patrick Stewart in that, um, that floating wheelchair in a multiverse of madness, like that was perfect. 22:13.135 --> 22:18.457 [SPEAKER_01]: I was astonished with the fact that they actually brought that in from the comics. 22:19.357 --> 22:20.297 [SPEAKER_01]: And they put that in there. 22:20.337 --> 22:22.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not saying it has to be like that. 22:23.698 --> 22:29.320 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, like there's certain things that mean to be as close as to what you've already seen. 22:29.340 --> 22:39.643 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's like I said, I only keep iterating this is because I just will see, because like I know, for example, I, you can probably even mention Mr. Sinister. 22:40.398 --> 22:41.038 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I am. 22:41.118 --> 22:43.079 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I we need to get there for a while. 22:43.119 --> 22:43.840 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saw a man. 22:43.860 --> 22:45.220 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know where you were at at this point. 22:45.600 --> 22:46.741 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 22:46.761 --> 22:53.564 [SPEAKER_00]: So the next one, she actually is playing a pretty huge X men character. 22:53.624 --> 23:04.849 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not that rogue and Professor Rax or Cyclops or Jean Gray aren't huge, but I feel like Storm is like one of the most iconic 23:07.453 --> 23:15.797 [SPEAKER_00]: And the actor is playing her is a Broadway actor. 23:16.278 --> 23:17.018 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that. 23:17.738 --> 23:29.044 [SPEAKER_00]: So she's been in Broadway and you know, she's merely we roll along. 23:29.144 --> 23:33.146 [SPEAKER_00]: She played Juliet in a production of Romeo and Juliet. 23:39.717 --> 23:42.719 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, 2023 was merely we roll along. 23:46.181 --> 24:00.850 [SPEAKER_00]: And then 24 to 25 it was and I don't know if it's just called and Juliet or if it's just I don't know why you would do a Broadway show without Romeo is it just Juliet like that that's random. 24:02.051 --> 24:04.753 [SPEAKER_00]: But she's done she's done some stage work and 24:07.000 --> 24:22.887 [SPEAKER_00]: maybe some short films here there they look like they're foreign films but I think being unknown might work it's just it's one of those we got to see 24:24.362 --> 24:44.940 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, I mean, I can so like I said, I'm looking at all the actors and actresses so far, I mean, I because I had to kind of look at some of them again, and I'm like, okay, I see where you're going, you know, and I see where you can kind of see that, you know, like her, especially like being storm and stuff like that, I mean, I can see them playing the roles. 24:47.102 --> 25:06.132 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I think if she does, like, I mean, I clearly they can, you know, fix her hair, do any of that, like the storm will normally have, right, but like this is, I mean, the the X men kind of reboot movie, whatever you want to call it that at the MCU is doing a scheduled for 2028 so potentially. 25:07.713 --> 25:09.674 [SPEAKER_00]: It will be her feature film debut. 25:11.281 --> 25:13.943 [SPEAKER_00]: If she doesn't make a movie between now and then, yeah. 25:14.524 --> 25:18.147 [SPEAKER_00]: This X-Men movie is going to be her very first movie. 25:18.407 --> 25:20.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's huge. 25:20.189 --> 25:21.910 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because this can either make a break you. 25:22.310 --> 25:23.291 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a good thing. 25:23.451 --> 25:24.732 [SPEAKER_01]: That's either a good thing or a bad thing. 25:25.053 --> 25:25.513 [SPEAKER_00]: It's here. 25:25.733 --> 25:31.858 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good or bad thing, because honestly, you don't want to be the known, oh, or you're the one that fucked up that X-Men movie. 25:32.239 --> 25:33.019 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's right. 25:33.640 --> 25:36.182 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, it is scary if you think about it like that. 25:36.262 --> 25:37.844 [SPEAKER_01]: I would be fucking nervous as all hell. 25:37.884 --> 25:39.345 [SPEAKER_01]: If that was my first ever movie, yes. 25:40.469 --> 26:00.390 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so the next one, I, you know, she's actually one, uh, you know, we have, you know, some people in this casting, like Sadie Sink has been kind of like the, the, the name Of all these that's like the most known right now because of stranger things. 26:01.391 --> 26:02.753 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the next two 26:05.379 --> 26:14.323 [SPEAKER_00]: They're a lot, you know, the last one that I have obviously bigger than this one, but Samara weaving now she's been in quite a lot. 26:15.644 --> 26:20.847 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're talking ready or not ready or not to those were great movies. 26:21.747 --> 26:22.728 [SPEAKER_00]: The baby sitter. 26:24.829 --> 26:26.089 [SPEAKER_00]: Scream six. 26:26.629 --> 26:27.370 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's sexy. 26:27.430 --> 26:28.851 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, guns at Kimbo. 26:30.832 --> 26:31.472 [SPEAKER_00]: As real. 26:33.108 --> 26:37.232 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's, she was in Bill and Ted's face the music. 26:37.732 --> 26:39.474 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not know that, but okay. 26:41.375 --> 26:49.102 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, she's, she's been in a lot of things and I think for somebody who's, she's going to be playing Emma Frost. 26:50.263 --> 27:02.387 [SPEAKER_01]: which you have to have a level of confidence, especially in that role, you know, and you need to be, you know, it's kind of like Jean Grey's counterpart for telepath in the sense too. 27:02.588 --> 27:19.394 [SPEAKER_01]: And so like granted, you know, when you look at Emma Frost and you look at Jean Grey, Jean Grey's superior in the telepathic side, but like Emma Frost is just an interesting character because of the whole fact that she can, she has telepathic abilities, but she also can turn her entire body into a diamond basically, 27:20.074 --> 27:20.855 [SPEAKER_01]: And not be killed. 27:21.155 --> 27:27.239 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting to see how, like I said, because I had to look her up to and just kind of look at her. 27:27.539 --> 27:31.501 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say, I do see where they're going with her. 27:32.562 --> 27:38.786 [SPEAKER_01]: And I understand why, but it's like I can say it will all depend on how they do it. 27:39.086 --> 27:48.673 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it does really depend on on how well the characters is written and I have no doubts that she, you know, I mean, she's been in so much. 27:48.713 --> 27:49.113 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got 27:50.774 --> 27:51.795 [SPEAKER_01]: She's got a resume. 27:51.855 --> 27:52.996 [SPEAKER_01]: So she clearly can act. 27:53.056 --> 27:56.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's got a really, really good resume. 27:56.220 --> 28:05.069 [SPEAKER_00]: And she can be somebody who's charming and funny and terrifying. 28:06.410 --> 28:08.593 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and that's kind of the point of Emma Frost, too. 28:08.633 --> 28:12.256 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she needs, like I said, that level of confidence, that level of like, 28:13.170 --> 28:19.575 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, seriousness, little doesn't have to be overly funny, but like just enough to like, yeah, keep you guessing kind of a deal. 28:20.416 --> 28:23.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I do know that this one is a very interesting one. 28:24.018 --> 28:25.239 [SPEAKER_00]: I actually kind of dig it. 28:25.620 --> 28:37.048 [SPEAKER_00]: And this one is Mr. Sinister and the casting is Adam Driver, which I was a little surprised at first, but then I'm like, you know, thinking about like the animated series of 28:43.585 --> 28:47.027 [SPEAKER_01]: I really could, and I really want to see how they do it. 28:47.107 --> 29:06.560 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you look at, I mean, obviously if you don't know who Adam Driver is, he's Kylo Ren from the Star Wars, you know, sequel trilogy, he was in a movie called 65, house of Gucci, Ferrari, 29:07.865 --> 29:29.454 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you didn't want to say the last one, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click 29:31.207 --> 29:41.577 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, honestly, if he was a real person, I would be terrified because I feel like, you know, the character as a whole, I mean, you're talking about, he wasn't even a mutant. 29:42.058 --> 29:49.205 [SPEAKER_01]: He was literally a guy, like a scientist, but that created his own almost like God like powers of a sense. 29:49.225 --> 29:54.651 [SPEAKER_00]: Like mutant genetics and experimentation, yeah, and I do think 29:57.001 --> 30:05.264 [SPEAKER_00]: Out of all, I mean, out of all the ones that we've said, I think Adam Driver is he could do really well. 30:05.584 --> 30:19.110 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, as long as this is good and, you know, and everything else, like again, I only keep saying like the script and honestly, the two biggest things I'm more worried about right now is going to be the script in the costumes. 30:20.023 --> 30:25.246 [SPEAKER_01]: and how they portray, you know, these characters because if they don't, they need to follow suit. 30:25.667 --> 30:30.090 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, honestly, I'm not saying you have to follow like X-Men, like the animated series with the 97, whatever. 30:30.990 --> 30:40.977 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, if you can get close to that or even get close to like their original outfits that they had, you know, when the comics are something like that, you know, 30:42.389 --> 30:46.452 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, look, I mean, if you really want to go further, I'm like, I could, we can name more people. 30:46.472 --> 30:49.114 [SPEAKER_01]: We could be like, Gambit, oh wait, no, I'm sorry, my bed. 30:49.874 --> 30:54.097 [SPEAKER_01]: We did have Gambit, but, you know, didn't really work out as well for him. 30:54.117 --> 31:09.107 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I guess my, you know, all of these that we've named, which one, I would say immediately works for you, and then which one makes you go, I don't see it. 31:10.108 --> 31:21.452 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think we both can agree that Adam Driver is going to be the best choice when it comes to the first, you know, question, I think I can see that the most I can definitely see where they're going with that. 31:21.492 --> 31:28.354 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of these characters are a lot of these actors and actresses, I can see why they chose the certain individuals. 31:29.694 --> 31:38.757 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say the one that is a little Because I mean, I guess I was kind of debating on either Sadie Sink or the one that was playing rogue. 31:40.128 --> 31:47.311 [SPEAKER_01]: because, and I'm only gonna say this because like I, it's like I said, I'm not saying that, and we will be talking about Spider-Man in a minute. 31:49.332 --> 31:55.855 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like, I'm not saying that she wasn't good in brand new day, but, 31:57.007 --> 32:18.343 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping that, you know, when you, when you think about like long term and like the, the comics and the timeline and stuff, you know, can she bring that same intensity when, you know, you think about like the Phoenix, like in like when she gets to that point, you know, like I know it won't be until much much much much later and then like hopefully the timeline, but 32:19.869 --> 32:27.875 [SPEAKER_01]: can she do that correctly, can she do the portrayal correctly of like, you know, the dark Phoenix or like the, you know, all that shit that goes on later on as well. 32:28.516 --> 32:31.538 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, for me, for me, I think it would have been Christopher Abbott. 32:31.859 --> 32:32.319 [SPEAKER_00]: You think so? 32:33.120 --> 32:34.581 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just, I don't, I don't know. 32:34.601 --> 32:39.485 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm, I'm curious on how, how he would play it. 32:40.806 --> 32:43.228 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they go down that Patrick Stewart, 32:44.062 --> 32:50.386 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it line, the problem is is for us or acts needs to be bold, plain and simple, and that's fine. 32:50.426 --> 32:53.748 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he could be bald and legless. 32:53.788 --> 33:04.334 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really care what they do with it, but if they write it like he's, you're like, okay, well, Patrick Stewart is the gold standard. 33:04.394 --> 33:08.096 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to use Christopher Abbott and we're going to do the same fucking thing. 33:08.736 --> 33:10.698 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that to me doesn't work. 33:11.527 --> 33:31.644 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, okay, fine, I do agree with doesn't work that, but I mean, this is why I keep saying the costumes because I understand, like, yes, back in the day, well, you could still put him in a, you know, crappy ass costume and as long as he's written well, I get all this, 33:39.738 --> 33:52.902 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you both both of us know that when it comes to the the costume designs and this shit in that it does matter and especially when it matters to a point well okay, but I mean you can have a great fucking looking costume. 33:54.285 --> 34:03.971 [SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen it in the MCU already where characters have a great fucking looking costume but it's like a two-year-old wrote the wrote their script. 34:04.031 --> 34:06.573 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, and I'm not disagreeing. 34:07.013 --> 34:08.334 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not disagreeing at all with that. 34:08.354 --> 34:11.516 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could also say I was going to joke around here by like she hulk. 34:13.197 --> 34:17.541 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the whole, you know, hey, we got a booty shake, right? 34:17.581 --> 34:21.664 [SPEAKER_00]: And that, I mean, that show would have worked if you wrote it the right fucking way. 34:22.084 --> 34:22.805 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're right. 34:23.826 --> 34:30.070 [SPEAKER_01]: As long as you didn't also have like 1500 cameos in every fucking episode either, but, you know, that's another thing for another duck. 34:30.170 --> 34:34.974 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, I mean, I think you could have either a great costume or a shitty costume. 34:35.355 --> 34:41.199 [SPEAKER_00]: It depends on how they use him as Professor X. 34:43.506 --> 35:01.839 [SPEAKER_01]: the head of the expen so you have to get him right because if you don't get him right then everybody else underneath them falls okay so I mean I I do see that and I think the problem is is we both know that Patrick Stewart is the standard and that's the problem is like you're trying to find somebody. 35:03.448 --> 35:23.453 [SPEAKER_01]: sure you want to make it a little different, but now you're trying to figure out what's going to work best with this because we both know that X men and especially in the MCU, like we all know that Fox for the most part, I mean, they they chose great actors, but they fucked up this entire timeline because they had two separate timelines that it made it so fucking confusing to follow. 35:24.233 --> 35:24.873 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, 35:26.014 --> 35:29.777 [SPEAKER_01]: The MC and you right now is trying to rectify that and you're right. 35:29.897 --> 35:36.421 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't pick the right people, you don't write the script well, you know, whatever the costumes, the everything about it. 35:36.521 --> 35:39.263 [SPEAKER_01]: If it doesn't fit, it will not last. 35:39.503 --> 35:42.605 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it will be basically you're going to say, hey, by the way, a bye bye. 35:42.785 --> 35:45.247 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're going to have to redo every fucking thing all over again. 35:45.807 --> 35:48.269 [SPEAKER_00]: So the prime example of this is the turnals. 35:48.950 --> 35:49.410 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my god. 35:49.690 --> 35:50.311 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my god. 35:50.491 --> 35:51.972 [SPEAKER_00]: They had to be started on that. 35:52.152 --> 35:53.673 [SPEAKER_00]: They had great fucking costumes. 35:54.637 --> 35:59.161 [SPEAKER_00]: A great fucking concept, but fucked it all up by bringing every motherfucker in. 35:59.181 --> 36:08.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they basically fucked it up by changing genders and then making them like weirdly buy or what, like it's like, what does this matter? 36:08.929 --> 36:10.530 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and the characters suck anyway. 36:10.831 --> 36:15.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the problem is, is we both know that if the movie was probably in two parts, 36:17.030 --> 36:18.410 [SPEAKER_01]: it probably would have done a lot better. 36:19.070 --> 36:38.674 [SPEAKER_00]: It probably would have, but you also have to not include all of this DI bullshit crap of like, well, these are the turnals, but this one's going to be a gay man and this one's going to be, well, actually these two are going to be females instead of the male characters. 36:39.075 --> 36:46.096 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, when you start making those random changes, I get it, you're trying to make society happy. 36:47.301 --> 36:50.739 [SPEAKER_00]: But then you end up with what the turnls ended up with. 36:51.978 --> 37:04.488 [SPEAKER_01]: I know and that's the problem is like the internals basically made it harder for people wanting to watch the MCU at that time because, you know, when you're thinking about that timeline, you mean you got shungchi in the 10 rings. 37:05.049 --> 37:05.749 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 37:05.789 --> 37:06.950 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was just shungchi. 37:06.970 --> 37:11.294 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember the actual title of it, but that was a great fucking movie. 37:11.394 --> 37:11.654 [SPEAKER_01]: It was. 37:11.734 --> 37:12.855 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a great movie overall. 37:13.395 --> 37:21.182 [SPEAKER_01]: But then you get like the internals and then you throw in some like other random like the marbles movie, you know, when you throw all that bullshit in there and you're like, 37:22.410 --> 37:38.226 [SPEAKER_01]: The fuck am I watching right now and then again, but because then you're jumping around and then they're like, hey, by the way, we're going to start showing you guys like TV shows and then some of you actually show Miss Marvel like and she's supposed to have like similar abilities to Mr. 37:38.246 --> 37:41.409 [SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic right, but yet now she's cosmic powers. 37:42.097 --> 37:50.443 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and that was the thing because I know when when you when I played the Marvel's Avengers game, like she had, I know it was called a bigon, but yes, it was basically the same as Mr. 37:50.463 --> 37:52.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic, but yeah, and you're right. 37:52.265 --> 37:58.790 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just this fucking, you know, or thing coming out of our hand, and it's like, well, let me just grab that for you real quick. 37:58.810 --> 38:01.632 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, wait a minute, why isn't her fucking hand extended? 38:01.672 --> 38:09.478 [SPEAKER_00]: They gave her cosmic powers instead of, you know, she's in the same category as, uh, was her name, Rambo, 38:10.910 --> 38:25.213 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they put her in the same category as that and it's like that's not what her powers were like, no, I mean, and that was the thing is like they they keep switching up certain like back stories or if they do this with with this cast. 38:26.512 --> 38:27.393 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll leave it at that. 38:27.433 --> 38:28.794 [SPEAKER_00]: We can move on to Spider-Man. 38:29.954 --> 38:32.896 [SPEAKER_00]: If they do that with this class, it's going to fuck the whole thing out. 38:32.936 --> 38:34.597 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and we already know right now. 38:35.018 --> 38:37.139 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is why we're going to bring up Spider-Man in a minute. 38:37.159 --> 38:42.163 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it really will depend on how they bring them in and how they do. 38:43.323 --> 38:51.129 [SPEAKER_01]: The, I guess they overall, you know, movie as well because like, whether or not they do like we do get to see. 38:52.269 --> 38:55.250 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, some of these guys in doomsday, I don't know. 38:55.390 --> 38:58.532 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because right now we don't really know too much about that. 38:58.592 --> 39:01.593 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, of course, you know, later on this year, we'll figure that piece out. 39:01.613 --> 39:03.313 [SPEAKER_01]: But I agree with you, man. 39:03.373 --> 39:06.675 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, right now, I am still in the skeptical phase. 39:07.035 --> 39:14.918 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, and I feel like I'll, I'll be in that until the day that that movie comes out because that will literally decide whether or not MCU is going to continue. 39:16.018 --> 39:26.026 [SPEAKER_01]: Or if they're just going to say, hey, we made some pile of dog shit and we're just going to continue on and we're going to hope and pray that this will be at least sells something, which we all know it's going to sell something. 39:26.046 --> 39:32.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Because people are going to watch it and it's either going to be like, yeah, it's going to be what the fuck did I just spend my money on. 39:33.072 --> 39:42.300 [SPEAKER_00]: So either way, well, I know I know I know do's day I think right now holds the record for the most was like pre sails or what resales, yeah. 39:43.545 --> 39:44.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jesus. 39:44.366 --> 39:44.586 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 39:44.606 --> 39:45.267 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see. 39:45.307 --> 39:50.273 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because like I said, I'm, I am, I'm still in the back of my mind. 39:50.513 --> 39:51.575 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not getting my hopes up. 39:51.635 --> 39:52.776 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I'm going to say right now. 39:52.896 --> 40:01.987 [SPEAKER_00]: But so yeah, Spider-Man brand new day, you know that this movie has made 2.08 billion globally. 40:02.307 --> 40:02.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Has it really? 40:03.048 --> 40:03.269 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 40:04.016 --> 40:06.737 [SPEAKER_01]: That's okay, I'm gonna stop you right there. 40:07.277 --> 40:10.498 [SPEAKER_01]: That surprises the fuck out of me that it made that much money. 40:10.858 --> 40:14.839 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna say this because now that I've seen it because Matt and I, yes, guess what? 40:15.419 --> 40:22.780 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a, we don't give a fuck spoiler alert because guess what, if you haven't seen it, well, then I would recommend you not listening to this episode. 40:23.481 --> 40:28.622 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because both, he saw it first, I saw it afterwards, I will say this. 40:28.642 --> 40:31.102 [SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely some criticism behind this movie 40:34.583 --> 40:47.653 [SPEAKER_01]: So it basically leads off where, you know, no way home basically ends and so it's great that they followed that but this is where we have a few critiques because this is 40:48.937 --> 40:50.418 [SPEAKER_01]: this to me didn't make any sense. 40:51.338 --> 40:53.439 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna go a little half ass backwards here. 40:53.919 --> 40:56.159 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna start out with Sadie Sank, okay? 40:56.340 --> 40:58.640 [SPEAKER_01]: Her playing Jean Grey in the movie, okay? 40:59.121 --> 41:04.842 [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, she does show up and she's basically this main part of the story of what is going on in the movie. 41:05.203 --> 41:07.683 [SPEAKER_01]: Because at first, you don't actually know what the fuck is going on. 41:08.284 --> 41:16.346 [SPEAKER_01]: Because all of a sudden you just see, you know, Spidey kind of like looking at different people like because she's like jumping into their bodies 41:19.228 --> 41:44.528 [SPEAKER_01]: And you don't really know what the fuck is actually going on because Spider-Man did the only one that I can actually see what is going on and so like I was confused at first I actually had no idea that that was what they were trying to do and then then after a while I saw I was like I'm on the fucking then what's they honestly the first thing that you know that came to my mind as like once they mentioned that name like Jean what's Jean Gray I think mother fucker else like what the point what is the point of putting here in this movie 41:45.283 --> 42:12.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, because I know for me like I'm not saying that you couldn't have thrown in Venom or, you know, thrown in the center of six, you know, because they did tease that a long time ago in the first movie that they wanted to try to do a center of sixth, you know, I would have loved to see that I would have loved to see, you know, how they were going to bring in some of these guys or even Venom, I mean, I understand that they were trying to do something with Andrew Garfield's universe and whatever. 42:13.343 --> 42:20.397 [SPEAKER_01]: fuck it, just bring in Venom, man, because that would have made, I mean, I feel like that would have been more, especially with Punisher, you know what I mean? 42:20.417 --> 42:22.061 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that would have been more of a badass. 42:22.830 --> 42:23.310 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of movie. 42:23.670 --> 42:28.233 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you bring in Jean Gray and you're like, oh, hey, we're just going to bring in, you know, an X men character. 42:29.013 --> 42:32.655 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're kind of like bring in a backstory of, of Jean Gray and her sister. 42:33.675 --> 42:36.156 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, what are we doing here? 42:36.317 --> 42:39.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what exactly is the purpose of bringing her into this movie? 42:40.398 --> 42:48.162 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I understand she's some runaway kid and, you know, fuck in whatever she's trying to find her sister and doing all this and then, you know, they, they blame what is it. 42:50.248 --> 42:56.691 [SPEAKER_01]: was a damage control, and all this other shit, like I just don't understand. 42:56.891 --> 43:02.134 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't dislike Sadie Sink as Jean Grey. 43:03.214 --> 43:06.196 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that that was what the problem was. 43:06.676 --> 43:07.477 [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, 43:08.397 --> 43:10.338 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is Jean Grey here at all? 43:10.438 --> 43:11.799 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, so fine. 43:11.879 --> 43:14.060 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that Sadie Sink didn't do a good job. 43:14.241 --> 43:15.041 [SPEAKER_01]: I do agree with that. 43:15.121 --> 43:20.844 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree that it doesn't make any sense to bring in the character of Jean Grey into this film. 43:21.265 --> 43:21.565 [SPEAKER_01]: Because... 43:23.380 --> 43:30.802 [SPEAKER_00]: for somebody like Spider-Man and we just did this last episode where you're saying, you know, he Spider-Man is in your Hall of Fame. 43:31.663 --> 43:34.023 [SPEAKER_01]: I know this, yes, but I'm saying it's a whole. 43:34.223 --> 43:38.445 [SPEAKER_00]: But he has one of the best rogue galleries in comic books. 43:39.680 --> 43:51.874 [SPEAKER_00]: Venom carnage scorpion hobgoblin the green goblin black I mean there are so many I mean what was that hammer it was a hammer head like I don't know just some like other one And if you threw the shocker in there. 43:52.154 --> 43:54.557 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, no, I agree with you like shocker. 43:54.637 --> 43:56.459 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah No, but like 43:57.140 --> 44:01.464 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, when you're thinking of Spider-Man and all the villains that he has, he's very similar to Batman. 44:01.524 --> 44:05.468 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Batman has very iconic villains and Spider-Man's just at that same level. 44:05.608 --> 44:05.828 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 44:06.048 --> 44:08.150 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't tell me you couldn't have picked. 44:08.470 --> 44:09.511 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just there's a little villain. 44:09.531 --> 44:14.936 [SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of characters and then like you you introduce Jean Grey. 44:16.558 --> 44:17.539 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's more of like 44:19.470 --> 44:39.871 [SPEAKER_00]: putting her in this movie being this is the last Marvel movie before we get to doomsday is basically like we need to plant the x-men and set it up before doomsday comes which doesn't fucking matter it really doesn't because unless they're actually going to show the fuck up 44:41.168 --> 44:49.353 [SPEAKER_01]: which we don't really know that if they are at this point, because we know that there's a lot of actors and actresses in this movie, but we don't know every single character. 44:49.393 --> 45:02.702 [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like this is where Marvel always gets itself into trouble because they've made Spider-Man brand new day like responsible for basically advertising the next eight Marvel projects. 45:03.262 --> 45:04.843 [SPEAKER_00]: They do this every time. 45:05.283 --> 45:10.327 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Peter, if you know from the previous Spider-Man movie, 45:11.782 --> 45:14.404 [SPEAKER_00]: had his entire life erased, right? 45:14.504 --> 45:23.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Which that actually made, I was like, I was glad that they did that because that actually followed through with what they were doing from the last movie, which makes total sense. 45:23.329 --> 45:30.274 [SPEAKER_00]: But it makes for a great foundation for another Spider-Man story. 45:31.388 --> 45:37.130 [SPEAKER_00]: But what they did was they shoved Gene Grant to it because there's a Marvel movie, there's an X-Men movie coming. 45:37.370 --> 45:47.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and another thing I was thinking up to at first is that they also threw in the, which could have actually been a really interesting way to bring in, but Madame Webb, right? 45:47.814 --> 45:50.315 [SPEAKER_01]: So like Madame Webb and even like, that was an awful movie. 45:50.395 --> 45:57.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I, okay, I never meant the movie, I'm just saying the character, I'm just saying the kid, it doesn't have to be her, it could be anyone else. 45:57.618 --> 46:06.142 [SPEAKER_01]: What I'm saying is, is that you could have done that, you could have brought in technically man spider when he actually turns into an actual spider because that's what I originally thought they were doing. 46:06.822 --> 46:14.706 [SPEAKER_01]: When he was doing like the high levels of this and that like he, it was almost like he was turning into a spider and that's where I thought they were going. 46:14.846 --> 46:19.348 [SPEAKER_00]: I really, I really would have loved if they just made his friend. 46:20.700 --> 46:21.841 [SPEAKER_00]: become hobgoblin. 46:22.442 --> 46:23.783 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, oh, you mean that. 46:24.083 --> 46:24.323 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:25.504 --> 46:34.132 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if you really wanted to do something, like do the combo of like black hat and hobgoblin, like do something like that, like, yeah. 46:34.152 --> 46:35.834 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, Jean Gray seemed forced. 46:36.613 --> 46:50.546 [SPEAKER_01]: It does and that's the thing and that's why I'm saying like there's so many other avenues I mean like I said with him even turning into the man spider or whatever the fuck I mean there's so many avenues that they were teasing but they weren't actually committing. 46:51.667 --> 46:52.267 [SPEAKER_01]: to anything. 46:52.287 --> 46:54.829 [SPEAKER_01]: They were just throwing it in there and like, oh, let's see how this works. 46:55.289 --> 46:56.149 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, okay, cool. 46:56.169 --> 47:07.035 [SPEAKER_01]: But I really wanted to kind of see him like turn into an actual spider and like actually turn into that because I know he does that in the the comics, and it's especially in like the animated series. 47:07.695 --> 47:12.278 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, you don't tease that shit and then pretend like nothing happened. 47:12.478 --> 47:16.420 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, I don't dislike Sadie Sink is the character. 47:18.139 --> 47:22.521 [SPEAKER_00]: The real problem is, like, why is she even in the movie? 47:22.561 --> 47:24.222 [SPEAKER_01]: That was, that's, that's a good question. 47:24.762 --> 47:28.044 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do, I mean, there are, all there are other things. 47:28.084 --> 47:29.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there are other things. 47:29.205 --> 47:33.267 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think the Hulk was better in this one. 47:34.067 --> 47:37.889 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say better than what he has done in the past. 47:39.030 --> 47:45.133 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like that we finally got something closer to Hulk being Hulk. 47:46.347 --> 47:50.449 [SPEAKER_00]: instead of what we've gotten in several months. 47:50.489 --> 47:56.611 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, did he start out as smarthook in the, I mean, not right away. 47:56.691 --> 48:01.633 [SPEAKER_00]: But when he, when he first like shifted, it was like that smarthook, which was weird. 48:03.794 --> 48:05.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, at least the inhibitor made sense. 48:06.526 --> 48:11.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, like that part actually worked well, and it wasn't as bad as we thought. 48:11.252 --> 48:18.540 [SPEAKER_00]: And so when you're looking at that, and then, but it wasn't like he, you know, he was smart, Hulk, and he's walking around a diner taking selfies with children. 48:18.801 --> 48:19.461 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, great. 48:19.481 --> 48:20.703 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that was an endgame. 48:20.723 --> 48:20.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 48:20.983 --> 48:21.944 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that was an endgame. 48:21.964 --> 48:25.549 [SPEAKER_01]: But still, it was, you're right, at least the inhibitor actually made sense. 48:26.736 --> 48:29.199 [SPEAKER_01]: which they could have done technically in that movie. 48:29.440 --> 48:35.308 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you got to see the real size of the whole compared to Spider-Man. 48:35.348 --> 48:40.455 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you got to see that savage Hulk that we are used to seeing. 48:41.537 --> 48:42.318 [SPEAKER_00]: My problem. 48:43.065 --> 48:43.485 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 48:43.625 --> 48:48.609 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that you, I mean, when I saw this movie, John, I was in the second row. 48:49.609 --> 48:52.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I think it was in the, yeah, I want to say it's second row, too. 48:52.391 --> 49:02.377 [SPEAKER_00]: So when I, when I saw some scenes where they were doing close-ups of his face, it just looked fucking weird. 49:03.538 --> 49:11.023 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you agree with me, but it was like, I don't know why you have to do these close-ups shots of the Hulk's face. 49:12.443 --> 49:13.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was because I was looking up. 49:13.964 --> 49:14.705 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 49:14.925 --> 49:30.276 [SPEAKER_00]: It just to me was like the proportions or the way that the facial capture was or like I said, how close the camera was to his face, it just was weird to me. 49:31.577 --> 49:31.837 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 49:33.848 --> 50:02.091 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this right so like when you look like an effect like it looked like well so when you think about like this right so when you looked at you know Eric bonus version or plexus name Norton Edward Norton And you look at those guys and you saw like their versions of Hulk right I mean Edward Norton's version of Hulk I mean he didn't really look like him you know and technically everybody's version definitely did not look like him at all. 50:03.129 --> 50:20.884 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, when you look at Mark Ruffalo's version, I mean, yes, he actually looks very similar to what he actually is and, you know, when he's not Hulk in that sense, but I think in the movie, I mean, I could see what you mean, like I didn't really think about that until you mentioned that. 50:21.044 --> 50:27.850 [SPEAKER_01]: I do understand that there might have been some differences in some like weird motion capture, like, you know, kind of thing, but 50:29.137 --> 50:35.794 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess to get to your point is like I put a photo in my notes if you want to look out I'll guess I'll take a quick look at it. 50:35.874 --> 50:37.439 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's see 50:38.415 --> 50:40.937 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think like, okay, I see what you're saying. 50:40.957 --> 50:46.983 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is a little weird that he's got this like giant, like, you know, like this giant lip thing going on here. 50:47.003 --> 50:49.285 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it just looks really weird. 50:49.305 --> 50:50.346 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it looks really weird. 50:50.366 --> 50:58.173 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do, I mean, I will say that I think overall, he looked better and was better in this movie. 50:58.213 --> 51:02.357 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think when you have a character like Hulk and 51:05.092 --> 51:06.214 [SPEAKER_00]: 100% CGI. 51:07.415 --> 51:10.658 [SPEAKER_00]: You just not getting around you ain't gonna get around with practical effects. 51:10.679 --> 51:11.079 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that. 51:11.119 --> 51:14.002 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think you have to go that fucking close to his face. 51:14.022 --> 51:16.365 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I do agree. 51:16.545 --> 51:18.868 [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't agree that you don't need to go that close. 51:18.908 --> 51:20.369 [SPEAKER_01]: But I just know that. 51:21.050 --> 51:33.702 [SPEAKER_01]: when you're when you're doing the Hulk right and I mean in this movie I mean granted I know that one scene when you know during gray basically like you know it finds a way to take up the inhibitor off of him and then he like turns into the raging Hulk. 51:34.302 --> 51:36.664 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that was a cool part of the movie I will admit that. 51:36.824 --> 51:37.005 [SPEAKER_01]: But 51:37.987 --> 51:38.868 [SPEAKER_00]: And his Hulk slap. 51:39.088 --> 51:40.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the, oh, yeah. 51:40.249 --> 51:42.450 [SPEAKER_00]: When he, when he was like, yeah, he was running down the hallway. 51:42.470 --> 51:45.052 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was, that was just a cool set of scenes. 51:45.332 --> 51:51.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was, it was nice because like that actually, like that's how it should have been in the way beginning. 51:51.377 --> 51:52.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he doesn't really do that. 51:52.678 --> 51:57.301 [SPEAKER_01]: All he does is, again, fucking smash it and you know, throw fucking things that are way to that. 51:57.321 --> 51:59.663 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he just, he looked considerably better. 52:01.184 --> 52:06.048 [SPEAKER_00]: But it just, when that camera got right in his face, it was like, I actually don't remember that particular, 52:07.232 --> 52:09.347 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember because I turned a day kneeling, I was like 52:10.299 --> 52:11.700 [SPEAKER_00]: He looks so fucking weird right now. 52:11.940 --> 52:14.182 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I mean, yeah, maybe I just, I don't know. 52:14.302 --> 52:18.584 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize it was that fucking close, but I mean, I guess I just must have passed that. 52:18.624 --> 52:26.289 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying now because looking at the photo, I'm like, yeah, that is a little, I mean, I'm looking at him and I'm thinking to myself, what are you fucking doing with this? 52:26.910 --> 52:28.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you have to stare at me like that? 52:29.832 --> 52:31.273 [SPEAKER_01]: No, and I'm, like a second. 52:31.353 --> 52:32.554 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Hulk is a hole in it. 52:32.574 --> 52:35.616 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is your upper, why is this thing like her way? 52:35.656 --> 52:37.477 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, what was going on here? 52:37.577 --> 52:38.237 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you trying to, like, 52:40.683 --> 52:42.504 [SPEAKER_00]: We we have to post this fucking photo. 52:42.524 --> 53:01.752 [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna post this photo because I will find a way to post this photo What we have here is this humongous fucking air like air strip of a of a upper like between the nose and the mouth like it's just it's just a humongous and then This is a little tiny and minutes kill nose 53:03.132 --> 53:04.833 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was short his fucking. 53:05.433 --> 53:07.234 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm looking at it so bad. 53:07.254 --> 53:11.035 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at least his eyebrows are at least proportionate, but it's not lower fucking lip dude. 53:11.116 --> 53:12.576 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what are we doing here? 53:12.616 --> 53:15.678 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I know, but he gets tongue by a B. I mean, they're right. 53:15.718 --> 53:19.079 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, it's like, I mean, I don't even know because I'm looking at it. 53:19.099 --> 53:27.823 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his nose is like, way, it's just like his nose needs to be a little bit like if his nose was a little bit longer, it wouldn't look as weird. 53:28.228 --> 53:36.071 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's all like when you when you have to go to our social media page like when we post his photo, I'm going to leave it right here for you. 53:36.091 --> 53:36.871 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good idea. 53:36.891 --> 53:45.734 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, if the nose was longer, it would not upper the upper lip was shorter, but the proportions I think would have been fine, but like, 53:46.945 --> 53:48.586 [SPEAKER_00]: when you're sitting in the front row. 53:49.286 --> 53:51.467 [SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't even go to IMAX. 53:51.487 --> 53:52.347 [SPEAKER_00]: This is standard. 53:52.748 --> 54:03.493 [SPEAKER_00]: But could you imagine sitting, I mean, even within the first four rows in IMAX, and you're seeing this fucking face, and it's literally fills the screen, that this is a screen shot. 54:03.673 --> 54:05.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I will say this. 54:05.513 --> 54:09.415 [SPEAKER_01]: I did actually see it in 3D, and I guess I just did not see this particular part. 54:09.455 --> 54:12.116 [SPEAKER_01]: And I did see it with like the 3D glasses, it's up. 54:12.197 --> 54:14.898 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, maybe I blinked first, I don't know, 54:16.497 --> 54:23.580 [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I would have seen this now, and I wish I would have seen it in three days because I'm like, holy shit, you did not need to be that close to my face. 54:23.740 --> 54:41.627 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you did not, I don't think the camera needed to be that close to, and I understand why they didn't because they wanted to show him, which is a whole another question that I don't think we have time for, but he, in that moment, recognized Peter Parker. 54:42.545 --> 54:44.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, after he has some things. 54:44.266 --> 54:44.506 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:44.526 --> 54:45.066 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 54:45.186 --> 54:54.649 [SPEAKER_00]: He recognized that Peter Parker with Spider-Man, which and then begs the question of how to see if everybody forgot how does he know just because he's the Hulk. 54:54.769 --> 54:56.349 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it doesn't make any sense. 54:56.589 --> 54:56.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 54:56.969 --> 54:58.330 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah. 54:58.370 --> 55:08.593 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's like the face that he's making like he's he's like learning like, oh, shit, you're Peter like Spider-Man's Peter Parker as he's falling off the building. 55:09.180 --> 55:09.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 55:09.481 --> 55:20.035 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, so going on to our next character, which I know punish her punish her, you know, you make this vicious Punisher special. 55:20.456 --> 55:20.696 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 55:20.877 --> 55:21.077 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 55:23.561 --> 55:30.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Marvel used this to remind us like who the Punisher exactly is, who Frank Castle is. 55:30.927 --> 55:34.831 [SPEAKER_00]: It was both traumatic and vicious at the same time. 55:35.231 --> 55:38.914 [SPEAKER_00]: Like those scenes when he's sitting at like his family's grave. 55:40.115 --> 55:42.337 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just about ready to eat his gun. 55:44.539 --> 55:48.122 [SPEAKER_00]: And the scene like he's in this like radios like looking apartment, 55:49.618 --> 56:13.556 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's seeing like his old squad mates and they're talking to him and there's there's like so much emotion and so much trauma and then you just have this like series of scenes where he's just beaten a shit out of people who shoot him with shotguns and like you know you have this and then all of a sudden Spider-Man brand new day comes out and 56:15.392 --> 56:42.201 [SPEAKER_01]: He's comic really found well, and I remember in that one scene, it's that that car chase right and then like he shows up he is like the gun, you know, he like shoots it out the window and he's like keeps shooting at him and then all of a sudden you just see Peter like shut him up, you know, like he flips the car over and he like shuts him up and he doesn't like whatever and it's like because he was like I'm a fucking kill you before he got the effort out the yeah, and I don't mind that scene. 56:42.341 --> 56:44.082 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that that scene works because 56:45.405 --> 56:53.350 [SPEAKER_00]: you do have this natural comedy of who Frank is and who Peter is. 56:54.191 --> 57:08.400 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have Spider-Man who's already this like wisecracking kind of funny, yeah, jokester based jokester and you have Frank who's this like serious, you know, get the fuck out of my way person. 57:09.260 --> 57:11.502 [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be some natural comedy there, but 57:12.767 --> 57:19.451 [SPEAKER_00]: when you show him, literally it just in a hotel room with like wearing Peter's mask. 57:19.991 --> 57:22.773 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's doing this ridiculous, like that's not Frank Castle. 57:24.814 --> 57:31.839 [SPEAKER_00]: No, Frank Castle is not gonna be standing in front of a fucking window dancing around, right? 57:31.859 --> 57:32.639 [SPEAKER_00]: What does mask on? 57:32.739 --> 57:38.383 [SPEAKER_00]: With this spider-man, like he would have told Peter to go fuck himself, right? 57:40.044 --> 57:41.424 [SPEAKER_00]: And he would have just walked out of the room, 57:42.675 --> 57:49.520 [SPEAKER_00]: you make him a joke right after you make him this like serious character. 57:49.540 --> 57:51.522 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, 57:53.270 --> 58:00.254 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because like, you know, when you and I talked about this before, I mean, it's it's interesting to see like Peter's mentors, right? 58:00.274 --> 58:04.195 [SPEAKER_01]: So you had, you know, Iron Man is one, you had Mysterio, you had Dr. 58:04.236 --> 58:12.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Strange, and then now you're having Frank Castle kind of take over as a mentor, well, kind of like a fucked up mentor basically, but it's just. 58:13.400 --> 58:16.363 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't, I'm not saying you can't do that. 58:16.863 --> 58:22.309 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, no, but when you turn the Punisher into, hey, look at angry uncle Frank with his guns. 58:22.549 --> 58:24.711 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically, because that's exactly what it would have been. 58:24.751 --> 58:26.533 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly how this movie portrayed him. 58:26.813 --> 58:27.033 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 58:27.213 --> 58:29.475 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, does that make any sense? 58:29.736 --> 58:30.556 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, personally, 58:31.417 --> 58:39.240 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, when you look at Frank and him, especially like in that scene where he's going after the Hulk, like, you know, and he's like, you need to get out of here. 58:39.260 --> 58:40.920 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, no, no, I'm sticking here with you. 58:40.940 --> 58:42.101 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, oh shit. 58:42.441 --> 58:46.982 [SPEAKER_01]: And because that was a bad ass scene where he's just like shooting the guns and he's doing a lot. 58:47.022 --> 58:51.484 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, now personally in real life, no, he would have been squashed like a fucking bug. 58:52.144 --> 58:53.785 [SPEAKER_01]: And he would have been killed on the spot. 58:53.865 --> 58:59.647 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, that's good that they at least said, hey, you know, we're going to show him, like, go after the Hulk and do all that, 59:00.967 --> 59:04.989 [SPEAKER_01]: It also really didn't have a lot of parts in the movie because like again, I mean, I get it. 59:05.049 --> 59:10.692 [SPEAKER_01]: You can only show them so many times, but it was like again, all these really doing is babysitting MJ. 59:11.212 --> 59:11.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 59:11.532 --> 59:16.615 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they both say, hey, want to get out of here so we can go follow, you know, Spider-Man real quick. 59:17.175 --> 59:19.296 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's like, okay, so that's cool. 59:19.336 --> 59:42.369 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll just, okay, what I mean, but that was the whole draw to John Bernthal playing this character was that he was this brutal version, like, right, the fights were the same as they were like in, in, in, um, I want to say devil, but it's not devil, um, you know, I'm saying, I guess, oh, yeah. 59:44.165 --> 59:51.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Whenever you saw like his version of the Punisher, like the fights were brutal, right? 59:51.868 --> 59:59.051 [SPEAKER_00]: Not just like how they were in the Thomas Jane version where nobody really gets hurt or looks hurt. 59:59.091 --> 01:00:05.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he was getting the shit kicked out of them and he was kicking the shit out of people. 01:00:06.798 --> 01:00:33.212 [SPEAKER_01]: And you could see the damage happening to him like, oh, I remember, I know technically it was in, I think it was Netflix's version of Punisher, but when he's in the prison yard, and he's getting the shit out of it, and then he's also beating the shit out of them, and then he's smiling and he's like, oh, you know, I don't know, it's that weird laugh he did, and then he was like, yeah, I'm gonna kill you all of you motherfuckers, and then he goes into this rage mode. 01:00:33.753 --> 01:00:34.133 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, 01:00:34.733 --> 01:00:39.876 [SPEAKER_01]: You get that, you know, and you look at that, and then you're supposed to see him similar to that in this. 01:00:40.016 --> 01:00:43.699 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, yeah, here's here's Uncle Frank with his with his guns. 01:00:44.279 --> 01:00:45.680 [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to say that's all you get. 01:00:46.140 --> 01:00:49.883 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just you have these two different versions. 01:00:51.362 --> 01:00:59.869 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, sure was he was he necessary could you have still put him in and still made him like brutal like that like yeah, maybe you don't show it. 01:01:00.570 --> 01:01:01.491 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, no offense. 01:01:01.531 --> 01:01:04.654 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're going to put him in a spider man movie. 01:01:04.714 --> 01:01:07.896 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like if if let's say deadpool was in spider man. 01:01:08.697 --> 01:01:14.522 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the writing would have easily been are like there's no questions about it because you couldn't have made it a PG 13. 01:01:16.020 --> 01:01:22.891 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and that's the thing, and this is where I'm saying like what Spider-Man, I mean, sure they're like, oh, it's supposed to be kid friendly and listen to that. 01:01:22.991 --> 01:01:25.314 [SPEAKER_00]: I just hate how they have to like, they have to soften. 01:01:26.310 --> 01:01:27.370 [SPEAKER_01]: and they don't need to. 01:01:27.410 --> 01:01:35.232 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you're putting the Punisher in, like Punisher dead pool, like some of these other characters, like they have to be rated R. There is no other questions about it. 01:01:35.633 --> 01:01:43.435 [SPEAKER_01]: You do not dumb them down or you don't make them, as Matt and I like to call them, push a fight because you can't do that. 01:01:43.455 --> 01:01:44.775 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's exactly what they did. 01:01:44.815 --> 01:01:48.416 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they made Frank Castle into a pussy. 01:01:50.410 --> 01:02:15.014 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, right when you first see him and he's driving that, you know, he's driving as his Punisher Mobile and yeah, you know, he's he's trying to like literally blow up that car right Like he that feels like what the Punisher would have been doing is exactly right And then you have him show up at the end like oh, yeah, go ahead and leave and I'll put on your mask No, yeah fucking weird though. 01:02:15.034 --> 01:02:16.954 [SPEAKER_00]: He probably would have fucking grabbed a nurse 01:02:20.392 --> 01:02:30.940 [SPEAKER_01]: There you go, right, no, I, I get it and I understand all that, but that's the thing and this is where we're saying that it just didn't make any sense in the moving. 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:36.865 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I'll say this about this movie, too, is that I really hated the Easter egg. 01:02:38.446 --> 01:02:46.112 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I understand, like, I mean, because we're so used to getting multiple, but then when you like the two ones, like when you see Ned like Peter, 01:02:48.445 --> 01:02:52.087 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, you know, it's like, it's like, oh, it's a miracle. 01:02:52.168 --> 01:02:53.448 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody else too knows. 01:02:53.488 --> 01:02:53.909 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:02:53.969 --> 01:02:59.072 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then that's stupid, you know, oh, wait, it's like, oh, Spider-Man. 01:02:59.272 --> 01:02:59.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait. 01:03:00.032 --> 01:03:03.034 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, glitches out and then goes right into outer space. 01:03:03.054 --> 01:03:03.495 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, 01:03:04.395 --> 01:03:09.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, here we fucking go and I understand when you're thinking of like the the next up coming movies and stuff. 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:18.143 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like yes, and of course right at the end it says he will return and doomsday, you know, or like the, you know, probably sicker wars as well and whatever. 01:03:18.583 --> 01:03:22.385 [SPEAKER_01]: And we all know like if you don't know anything about sicker wars, it's like. 01:03:23.526 --> 01:03:27.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Think it's supposed to be this battle world and that's the thing and so like that's where. 01:03:29.127 --> 01:03:32.990 [SPEAKER_01]: Or actually I think I guess maybe doomsday might be that that kind of maybe that's what it is. 01:03:33.050 --> 01:03:35.072 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about a world of that and then maybe secret words. 01:03:35.832 --> 01:03:41.137 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I do feel like I did enjoy the movie. 01:03:41.317 --> 01:03:45.100 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna say like, you know, the movie just incredibly sucked. 01:03:45.580 --> 01:03:47.702 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I have it down sides for sure. 01:03:48.002 --> 01:03:49.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do think it was a good movie. 01:03:49.623 --> 01:03:55.908 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it just had us downsides, um, and you know, when we move into, 01:03:57.227 --> 01:04:20.876 [SPEAKER_00]: Doomsday, I do feel like it's not so much about secret wars as it is like setting it up, but I think when you look at it, I think it has to be a movie that's just about pruning some of these random ass timelines and well, and this is where, you know, since we're going to be bringing it up, 01:04:27.703 --> 01:04:31.445 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand, like, when we first watched it, we're just like, oh, okay. 01:04:31.465 --> 01:04:38.689 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to base it in an alternate universe that is in the past in the 1960s, basically, and then, you know, do all that shit. 01:04:38.789 --> 01:04:52.556 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I did enjoy that, and I did enjoy certain things with, like, yeah, I mean, it's a little weird now, they're, you know, like, as I've ever seen that trailer, the first trailer that they showed, and they showed, like, you know, Thor narrating, and then they're like, hey, where the fear test is for. 01:04:54.372 --> 01:04:57.774 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of, we're here now and we're like, oh, that's cool. 01:04:58.074 --> 01:04:59.394 [SPEAKER_01]: So how's this kind of fucking play out? 01:04:59.434 --> 01:05:12.020 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, and that and like, you know, you know, like, oh, yeah, and of course Thor's narrating, you know, and it was a little weird for me to hear Thor narrating the, the entire like trailer part of it. 01:05:12.040 --> 01:05:18.543 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, well, yeah, we faced many of those before and, you know, Thanos and this and that and it's like, okay, but again, 01:05:19.894 --> 01:05:26.618 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's so many other, and this is the shitty part with the MCU right now is like, you know, in Fantastic Four, you're talking about Colactus for God's Sakes. 01:05:27.558 --> 01:05:30.359 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a great, I mean, we even talked about that. 01:05:30.399 --> 01:05:34.242 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when we were like, oh my God, I can't wait to see Colactus and I can't wait to see this. 01:05:35.342 --> 01:05:45.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're thinking of doom and I'm like, I'm not saying he's not this mega villain, like that they can't be holding his own movie, but like, you know, you could bring in Colactus. 01:05:45.467 --> 01:05:46.208 [SPEAKER_01]: You could bring in, 01:05:47.615 --> 01:05:51.940 [SPEAKER_01]: so many other people to kind of help move the story along. 01:05:52.701 --> 01:05:55.325 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I'm still skeptical. 01:05:55.385 --> 01:05:59.850 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course at the very, I don't know if it was at the very end, but it was close to the end. 01:05:59.870 --> 01:06:05.217 [SPEAKER_01]: It was with the whole, you know, cap basically showing up and he's like holding a baby. 01:06:06.570 --> 01:06:08.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, yeah, what the fuck does that mean? 01:06:08.471 --> 01:06:09.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, where are we going with this? 01:06:09.732 --> 01:06:12.374 [SPEAKER_01]: This is your grandson or your great granddaughter? 01:06:13.155 --> 01:06:14.075 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are we doing here? 01:06:14.115 --> 01:06:16.217 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what exactly are you doing back here, right? 01:06:16.277 --> 01:06:17.718 [SPEAKER_01]: As like, we thought you were done. 01:06:18.839 --> 01:06:20.560 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't think it'd be showing back up again. 01:06:20.620 --> 01:06:21.640 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, oh, damn, back. 01:06:22.481 --> 01:06:23.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Where'd you come from? 01:06:23.482 --> 01:06:24.843 [SPEAKER_01]: How did you get back by any chance? 01:06:25.383 --> 01:06:27.004 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha. 01:06:27.064 --> 01:06:28.265 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were technically dead. 01:06:29.406 --> 01:06:30.827 [SPEAKER_01]: So what's going on here? 01:06:30.867 --> 01:06:32.868 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, there's so many questions. 01:06:32.988 --> 01:06:33.689 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing. 01:06:36.037 --> 01:06:37.797 [SPEAKER_01]: have any idea where the fact they're going with this. 01:06:37.837 --> 01:06:52.301 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I do admit that, I guess my last little point here for Brian New Day was it seemed really weird also to bring in the new black widow, you know, Ilana. 01:06:53.181 --> 01:06:56.422 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, bring her in and like, oh, we're the new Avengers. 01:06:56.482 --> 01:06:58.002 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we only worry about the big shit. 01:06:59.573 --> 01:07:02.155 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, and this is why no offense. 01:07:02.235 --> 01:07:11.943 [SPEAKER_01]: I still haven't honestly seen Thunderbolts and I don't, I'm still very skeptical that even watch it, but I feel like I need to to kind of understand half of what was kind of going on there, but I don't know. 01:07:12.383 --> 01:07:24.853 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, this is why I'm saying with a lot of the stuff from, you know, like Sean Chi and till like now, there's so much shit that they just threw into fucking play. 01:07:25.874 --> 01:07:28.096 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were praying to God that some of this made sense. 01:07:29.649 --> 01:07:41.453 [SPEAKER_01]: And like you when I said, like when you had Captain America or really, you know, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and then you brought in, you know, brave new world, so many years later, that's great. 01:07:41.493 --> 01:07:45.854 [SPEAKER_01]: At least you have one story that I guess sort of not really made any sense. 01:07:45.894 --> 01:07:50.216 [SPEAKER_01]: And then basically you don't have any other characters that you also brought up in the past. 01:07:51.516 --> 01:07:53.937 [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool, so we don't have a fucking clue what's going on. 01:07:54.517 --> 01:07:59.958 [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you for making this morally fucked up, and we have no idea what the fuck you're actually doing right now. 01:08:00.439 --> 01:08:03.800 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's cool, we're just going to continue on, and we're going to pretend like nothing happened. 01:08:04.740 --> 01:08:05.560 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that make sense? 01:08:06.420 --> 01:08:06.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:08:07.241 --> 01:08:11.962 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I mean, honestly, I... 01:08:13.777 --> 01:08:14.938 [SPEAKER_00]: doomsday has to do a lot. 01:08:15.358 --> 01:08:16.459 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they got to do a lot. 01:08:16.719 --> 01:08:17.560 [SPEAKER_00]: They have to do a lot. 01:08:17.660 --> 01:08:22.583 [SPEAKER_00]: And some of the, you know, I'll go through some of the, like, the little rumor things here. 01:08:23.303 --> 01:08:37.333 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so initially, you know, one of the, one of the little rumors is that the movies, like, opens in Toby McGuire's Spider-Man Earth. 01:08:39.066 --> 01:08:55.953 [SPEAKER_00]: And the TVA sends deadpool and Wolverine to basically prune the timeline, like that timeline, like that, that, that earth. 01:08:57.654 --> 01:09:00.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, just to save save their own right. 01:09:09.658 --> 01:09:13.521 [SPEAKER_00]: um, Toby McGuire being dead. 01:09:14.782 --> 01:09:15.362 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, lovely. 01:09:15.403 --> 01:09:16.123 [SPEAKER_00]: Right in the beginning. 01:09:16.423 --> 01:09:17.044 [SPEAKER_00]: That's lovely. 01:09:17.324 --> 01:09:23.268 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, but there's, you know, there's like some other things and who knows if this is any, if this is even true at all. 01:09:24.129 --> 01:09:28.372 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but supposedly at the end of the movie. 01:09:28.873 --> 01:09:31.775 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't wait for them. 01:09:33.356 --> 01:09:37.719 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, before I get there, like basically they have this like massive 01:09:39.965 --> 01:09:42.429 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is like on lat varia. 01:09:43.550 --> 01:09:45.153 [SPEAKER_00]: There's this big massive battle. 01:09:45.233 --> 01:09:49.358 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the Avengers, the Vantastic Four, the X-Men. 01:09:52.463 --> 01:09:54.125 [SPEAKER_00]: There's like a huge massive battle. 01:09:56.138 --> 01:10:09.749 [SPEAKER_00]: And it creates, because everybody is in like one singular place, it basically creates this like incursion of all the, all the earth's colliding on each other. 01:10:11.310 --> 01:10:15.013 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was about to say like the Zacovia courts all over again. 01:10:15.973 --> 01:10:24.260 [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, I mean, the, the rumor is that all these universes crash into each other and are all equally destroyed killing everybody. 01:10:26.033 --> 01:10:26.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Just wonderful. 01:10:26.933 --> 01:10:31.495 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great way to end that fucking movie, except for doom, of course. 01:10:31.976 --> 01:10:52.785 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not who apparently, and these are again, these are rumors not what might actually happen, but everybody but doom is killed and I guess it gets revealed that he stole Loki's powers, using them he creates a battle world resurrects everybody. 01:10:53.765 --> 01:11:08.599 [SPEAKER_00]: he races their memories and they believe that a world is all they ever all that's ever existed you know what and i'm gonna say like this if they're talking about cigarettes too i if they really go down that hole 01:11:09.797 --> 01:11:12.719 [SPEAKER_01]: That is where you say, you know what, we are going to say, ready? 01:11:12.799 --> 01:11:13.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, we're ready. 01:11:13.719 --> 01:11:14.900 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go marble elsewhere. 01:11:15.020 --> 01:11:18.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Old Spatey, you know, because you might as well just do it like that. 01:11:18.882 --> 01:11:21.603 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the only thing you could fucking do after that. 01:11:21.683 --> 01:11:25.926 [SPEAKER_01]: If that is actually, if that is really how it does happen, I really don't know. 01:11:25.966 --> 01:11:29.928 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's basically like, yeah, he creates his battle world. 01:11:29.968 --> 01:11:31.629 [SPEAKER_00]: He resurrects everybody again. 01:11:31.889 --> 01:11:32.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Racist their memories. 01:11:32.809 --> 01:11:35.631 [SPEAKER_00]: They believe that a world is all that has ever existed. 01:11:36.431 --> 01:11:46.276 [SPEAKER_00]: And we see them living new lives in this like, false reality and then doom sits on his throne as emperor of battle world. 01:11:47.177 --> 01:11:50.878 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to, that's, I'm going to, that would be the very start of secret wars. 01:11:51.499 --> 01:11:54.040 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say this right now, man, if that really does happen. 01:11:55.961 --> 01:12:01.384 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I, I just, I'm telling you, if they, if they do it like that, 01:12:02.705 --> 01:12:08.465 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I mean, I will still be a Marvel fan in some aspect, but I don't know if I'd want to continue to watch it. 01:12:09.550 --> 01:12:21.215 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those weird things though because if you if you and I don't even know like I think secret wars isn't dated for 27. 01:12:21.535 --> 01:12:34.600 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I mean it's probably going to be I would think probably the 28 like probably where like X men and so if you I mean if you kill everybody and bring them away literally if you kill everybody and you put them on this battle planet 01:12:36.417 --> 01:12:38.981 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you do another movie between this and secret words? 01:12:39.762 --> 01:12:40.223 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't. 01:12:40.844 --> 01:12:43.769 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's dead on a battle planet, right? 01:12:43.829 --> 01:12:49.077 [SPEAKER_01]: So how are you gonna, well, no, what they'll do is they'll say, before these events happened. 01:12:50.389 --> 01:12:52.190 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, that's what they're going to do. 01:12:52.210 --> 01:13:03.393 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to say before all these events happen, we're going to just do this real quick and just show somebody else and they're going to say before all this should happen, we're going to tell you about this story and about these characters real quick. 01:13:03.793 --> 01:13:09.715 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, that's how they're going to fucking do it because they're going to find a way to be like, I don't know, or I don't know. 01:13:09.775 --> 01:13:14.156 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's so weird to me that if you do it this way. 01:13:16.140 --> 01:13:35.880 [SPEAKER_00]: there's nobody that exists anymore except they're all on this battle world where I'm assuming you named it battle world because they uh... battle i'm telling you right now met if they do it like that i i i i i again i don't know about you but i i can tell you that 01:13:37.024 --> 01:13:47.345 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be very hard for me to want to watch cigarette wars because at that point I really hope that they would just kill everybody off and say, okay, we're restarting the MCU because 01:13:48.493 --> 01:14:11.496 [SPEAKER_01]: We all know that they did a great foundation yeah at the beginning but they they have really fucked up how they wanted to tell the story like we both know that the multiverse saga could have been a really great saga if they actually did it the right way if they did it the right way you know and but they didn't because you gotta make sure up I mean the whole 01:14:12.457 --> 01:14:15.059 [SPEAKER_00]: Celestial being the source of Adam Antium. 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:17.020 [SPEAKER_00]: Get why are you making that shit up? 01:14:17.160 --> 01:14:18.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, stop making that. 01:14:18.080 --> 01:14:21.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, follow the damn blueprint. 01:14:21.662 --> 01:14:24.304 [SPEAKER_00]: The Celestial was never the fucking source. 01:14:24.624 --> 01:14:27.025 [SPEAKER_00]: No, Motherfuckers, it's called Toys by Brandeum. 01:14:27.225 --> 01:14:31.287 [SPEAKER_00]: It was actually created by Hank Pim on fucking accident. 01:14:31.548 --> 01:14:33.629 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, by Brandeum, let's start with that. 01:14:33.809 --> 01:14:35.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Grab some by Brandeum. 01:14:35.710 --> 01:14:37.471 [SPEAKER_01]: And then make another thing and then wait. 01:14:38.277 --> 01:14:38.898 [SPEAKER_01]: adamant to him. 01:14:39.678 --> 01:14:45.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he created an accident because he was he was compiling fiber and him with other metals. 01:14:45.643 --> 01:14:46.864 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he write exactly. 01:14:47.124 --> 01:14:57.233 [SPEAKER_01]: And he created this like strong metal and it was like, no, but, but again, I mean, you already know that now it's Scott Lang, but even then, like, he hasn't really been around either. 01:14:57.853 --> 01:14:59.755 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like we know what the fuck's going on with that. 01:15:00.991 --> 01:15:07.334 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, we kind of do, but we don't have that character anymore, King the Conqueror, but who gives a fuck about that guy anymore? 01:15:07.454 --> 01:15:16.779 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just saying, like, we, there's not a whole lot of, no, I mean, I mean, you're right now Tony Stark created Ultron, which that wasn't the case in the comics either. 01:15:16.939 --> 01:15:22.362 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was actually, we all know, wait, Hank Pym, and, who was a man? 01:15:22.382 --> 01:15:27.385 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'm pretty, I thought it was, so I know it was Hank Pym, and I think it was, 01:15:29.048 --> 01:15:30.028 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was Bruce Banner. 01:15:30.068 --> 01:15:33.510 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it might have been Bruce Banner that created Ultron, I believe. 01:15:33.830 --> 01:15:43.735 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's funny how we mention Hank Pym because Hank Pym is a very vital part of the MCU, but we know him now is this old guy, but that's the other part of this too. 01:15:44.055 --> 01:15:46.616 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying Michael Douglas didn't play a good Hank Pym. 01:15:47.236 --> 01:15:49.817 [SPEAKER_01]: It just sucks that you're not gonna be able to use him. 01:15:49.957 --> 01:15:53.619 [SPEAKER_00]: We never got a real, I mean, Hank Pym was, Ant-Man. 01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:57.601 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, but when you go into Scott Lang, 01:15:59.305 --> 01:16:00.385 [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't make any sense. 01:16:00.765 --> 01:16:00.925 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 01:16:01.285 --> 01:16:04.746 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we're saying is like, you had potential. 01:16:04.806 --> 01:16:08.567 [SPEAKER_01]: You had these characters that could have done really well. 01:16:09.287 --> 01:16:13.708 [SPEAKER_01]: But then like I said, I'm not saying that the beginning foundation of the MCU wasn't great. 01:16:14.468 --> 01:16:20.669 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the certain like when you brought in Antman when you brought in, again, like to Chala, like that was great. 01:16:20.689 --> 01:16:22.249 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a great move on their part. 01:16:22.930 --> 01:16:24.890 [SPEAKER_01]: You could have done Hank Pym. 01:16:25.967 --> 01:16:27.027 [SPEAKER_01]: You, you could have done that. 01:16:27.127 --> 01:16:30.448 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but you said, but didn't, but didn't do it the right way. 01:16:30.468 --> 01:16:36.569 [SPEAKER_01]: You said, you said, hey, you know what, we're going to take the next version of Batman, and we're going to do it that way, because that, that just makes more sense. 01:16:37.429 --> 01:16:51.452 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know like doomsday has a lot of work to do because you, you can't have all of these legacy characters and all these other random ass characters that they've introduced after 01:16:54.047 --> 01:16:58.411 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think if they go that direction where they literally just kill everybody. 01:16:59.712 --> 01:17:04.896 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't release another movie or a TV show until secret war is comes. 01:17:06.317 --> 01:17:06.918 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree. 01:17:07.318 --> 01:17:09.580 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's there's not much you can do in between. 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:10.841 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you say, hey, we're going to. 01:17:11.501 --> 01:17:12.502 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this was before. 01:17:13.423 --> 01:17:14.384 [SPEAKER_01]: That this is now. 01:17:14.484 --> 01:17:15.705 [SPEAKER_01]: It's now it's before. 01:17:15.925 --> 01:17:16.265 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:17:16.485 --> 01:17:17.346 [SPEAKER_01]: It was okay. 01:17:17.406 --> 01:17:19.488 [SPEAKER_01]: That's no, what I was going to say was what you know what they'll do. 01:17:20.544 --> 01:17:26.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they'll make a follow-up movie for like one of the other random movies that have come out. 01:17:27.008 --> 01:17:29.169 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they'll like, you know what, we're going to make another marvelous movie. 01:17:30.530 --> 01:17:32.992 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, just throw something random like that in there and you go. 01:17:33.791 --> 01:17:35.433 [SPEAKER_01]: So what the fuck were you trying to do here? 01:17:35.513 --> 01:17:36.994 [SPEAKER_01]: Like why do we need a sequel to this? 01:17:37.334 --> 01:17:47.784 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was curious to know like right at the end of the movie with Monica Rambo when she gets thrown into that world where Hank, McCoy is there and of course him being the beast in the Fox universe. 01:17:47.824 --> 01:17:57.854 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, there's always, and that was the, I don't understand why they did that in the multiverse like Saga is that they had these one little scenes, the one little Easter egg and it's like, 01:17:59.623 --> 01:18:08.666 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and you see like Hake McCoy and you're seeing him like in the Fox universe and or like there's a different one I think, but and I just don't understand why they did that shit. 01:18:09.586 --> 01:18:20.050 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, like they had these one random ass Easter eggs and it had zero like we don't know what the fuck that was about and we don't know what that has to do with whatever is going on right now. 01:18:21.150 --> 01:18:26.852 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I'm like sure, maybe doomsday will help us figure out what the fuck is going on with some of these characters, but. 01:18:27.963 --> 01:18:39.789 [SPEAKER_00]: So technically, I mean, looking at this, you know, technically the next, the very next movie after doomsday is secret words. 01:18:40.690 --> 01:18:43.431 [SPEAKER_01]: So there is nothing, like there's no TV shows, there's no nothing. 01:18:43.451 --> 01:18:49.635 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the only thing I could think of for TV shows would be like not something that's related to the MCU. 01:18:50.856 --> 01:18:53.497 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it goes from, it goes from doomsday to see your work. 01:18:53.517 --> 01:18:57.820 [SPEAKER_00]: So if they do do that in doomsday and there's nothing in between that makes sense. 01:18:59.181 --> 01:19:05.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, the only thing I can think of is like if they're making another season of the, for example, I know they did. 01:19:06.304 --> 01:19:09.386 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that probably one spider man animated show vision quest. 01:19:10.127 --> 01:19:10.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:19:11.412 --> 01:19:16.417 [SPEAKER_01]: that's basically what you could probably do like things that don't actually pertain to what actually is going on. 01:19:16.917 --> 01:19:17.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:19:17.518 --> 01:19:23.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that I was going to say like, it was an animated Spider-Man show like where MJ is actually black. 01:19:24.164 --> 01:19:24.925 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:19:24.985 --> 01:19:27.247 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that the, uh, your friendly neighborhood's better. 01:19:27.267 --> 01:19:28.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one. 01:19:28.348 --> 01:19:28.988 [SPEAKER_01]: I've watched it. 01:19:29.048 --> 01:19:35.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mind it, but yeah, I mean, for you're like, so what the fuck is, you know, you know, uh, Harry Osborne being black for? 01:19:35.514 --> 01:19:35.955 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:19:35.995 --> 01:19:36.896 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just the way it is, man. 01:19:37.918 --> 01:19:40.719 [SPEAKER_01]: Or whatever, or actually, they don't actually show MJ in that. 01:19:40.739 --> 01:19:46.860 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking about it, they show this other random girl as this, like his best friend as a deal. 01:19:47.280 --> 01:19:58.382 [SPEAKER_01]: So like I said, there's all these weird things that are going on in that show, but like, those would be like the shows that I would think that, or probably other ones too, but like those are the ones that I would say, like that's all you could really do. 01:19:59.282 --> 01:20:04.343 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, if that's what happens in Doomsday and there's nothing in between, I mean, you're basically going, 01:20:06.117 --> 01:20:11.285 [SPEAKER_00]: Marvel is going from December to December, yeah, which is with no movie in between. 01:20:11.665 --> 01:20:15.851 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, I mean, that's probably the first time that they've ever done that. 01:20:15.871 --> 01:20:20.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Because typically what they would have normally done is like, right, so like, if you think, 01:20:21.852 --> 01:20:30.575 [SPEAKER_01]: And some of the other like past like in the in like the early days, I know like you you set up the Avengers, so you would do like Iron Man, you did, you know, of course, incredible Hulk, whatever. 01:20:30.595 --> 01:20:37.857 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, um, yet Thor, then he had Cap and then, you know, he had your Avengers movie, you know, and he had some stuff kind of in between. 01:20:38.637 --> 01:20:42.618 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it wasn't like too far apart, you know, but like this is a long fucking way. 01:20:43.198 --> 01:20:43.979 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is. 01:20:44.019 --> 01:20:44.619 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying. 01:20:44.639 --> 01:20:48.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, but in like, you know, recent years is like they would have at least two movies. 01:20:48.967 --> 01:20:51.308 [SPEAKER_01]: in the same year, but now they're like, we're just gonna wait here. 01:20:52.128 --> 01:20:53.769 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you guys, guess what? 01:20:53.809 --> 01:20:55.009 [SPEAKER_01]: You get to play the waiting game. 01:20:55.429 --> 01:20:57.290 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, well, fuck you, I don't want to wait. 01:20:58.791 --> 01:20:59.931 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, Matt. 01:21:01.272 --> 01:21:09.775 [SPEAKER_01]: I think right now, we're, I think we both agree that right now, MCU is a, not a very fine line with a lot of this shit. 01:21:10.095 --> 01:21:14.636 [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess the real question is, Matt, you want to go see that movie with me? 01:21:14.696 --> 01:21:16.017 [SPEAKER_01]: Or are we going to do solo again? 01:21:18.242 --> 01:21:19.443 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when do music comes? 01:21:19.463 --> 01:21:19.723 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:21:19.743 --> 01:21:21.444 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I definitely want to see it. 01:21:21.504 --> 01:21:26.148 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like I like I'm like a fuck this bullshit fucking piece of shit. 01:21:26.188 --> 01:21:26.808 [SPEAKER_00]: What a fuck. 01:21:26.848 --> 01:21:29.350 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we we should definitely still go see it. 01:21:31.892 --> 01:21:45.662 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Depending, I mean, I think it'll still be a hopefully a good hopefully it'll be a good addition, but I feel like I feel like we're getting 01:21:48.280 --> 01:21:50.281 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, infinity war. 01:21:51.622 --> 01:21:53.543 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have to wait a year for endgame. 01:21:54.284 --> 01:21:57.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's kind of the same of what they did before. 01:21:58.827 --> 01:22:01.128 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, it came out, what was it, I think? 01:22:02.229 --> 01:22:04.210 [SPEAKER_01]: And what was it, infinity war came out? 01:22:06.031 --> 01:22:07.853 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it actually came out on my birthday. 01:22:08.093 --> 01:22:11.315 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think, well, because let me, let me look at this poster over here with endgame. 01:22:11.555 --> 01:22:12.636 [SPEAKER_01]: What is this April 26th? 01:22:13.036 --> 01:22:15.557 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so yeah, that's, so it was roughly a year, right? 01:22:15.577 --> 01:22:16.138 [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense. 01:22:17.255 --> 01:22:18.296 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's what we're getting. 01:22:18.316 --> 01:22:29.046 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're getting infinity war with the setup for secret wars, and then we have to wait a whole year for that resolution. 01:22:30.727 --> 01:22:35.371 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I mean, which probably won't still won't feel like a resolution. 01:22:36.710 --> 01:22:58.722 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's the real plot of this movie, which is, again, just a rumor, it might not actually take place, but if you're trying to get everybody on this battle world, which is where a secret war is pretty much is, right, there's no other way to do that other than completely destroying everything. 01:23:00.400 --> 01:23:03.982 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Matt, that's the waiting game that we fucking hate. 01:23:04.263 --> 01:23:12.028 [SPEAKER_01]: And because now we get to figure out what the fuck's going to happen in December, and then we get to wait a whole other year just to find out what the fuck's going to happen after that. 01:23:13.209 --> 01:23:18.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Because God forbid, they want to give us any more hints about what the fuck is going on. 01:23:18.252 --> 01:23:19.953 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I wait, every movie so far. 01:23:19.993 --> 01:23:25.357 [SPEAKER_01]: You'd always get this random Easter egg, and they go, yes, this character will be in Doomsday. 01:23:26.827 --> 01:23:27.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's great. 01:23:27.528 --> 01:23:29.649 [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck does that have to do with everything right now? 01:23:29.989 --> 01:23:31.510 [SPEAKER_01]: So, and that's the thing. 01:23:31.530 --> 01:23:43.519 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, like I said, over the years, I feel like, you know, in the, like we said, the foundational, like, saga's like a very beginning, like they gave you enough Easter eggs for you to be really excited about it. 01:23:43.940 --> 01:23:46.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Now they only do like, and that's if they do it. 01:23:47.482 --> 01:23:52.106 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they've been like hitting your missing with, with all these Easter eggs because 01:23:53.626 --> 01:23:58.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's like, you're almost like now it's like an expectation, but then they're like, oh, just kidding. 01:23:59.410 --> 01:24:00.751 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be in the next movie, though. 01:24:01.152 --> 01:24:02.973 [SPEAKER_01]: Just so you know, have a good day. 01:24:03.874 --> 01:24:07.576 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, what the fuck man, I've been waiting for like three Easter eggs right now. 01:24:07.616 --> 01:24:11.039 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, like, no, we're just going to let you know they're in the next movie. 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:11.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Have a nice day. 01:24:12.860 --> 01:24:20.326 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, okay, well, fuck you because I've been waiting for the the last two Easter eggs or something because you can't tell me what the fuck's going on. 01:24:22.786 --> 01:24:23.166 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:24:23.467 --> 01:24:31.752 [SPEAKER_01]: I like I said I know how's my gears because it just it gets to a point where I I could set I I've I've loved Marvel for a long time. 01:24:33.153 --> 01:24:38.136 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wish we would know more so we could be excited more about it. 01:24:38.336 --> 01:24:44.440 [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully have some sort of fucking resolution to this whole bullshit that they call I'm see you right now. 01:24:52.874 --> 01:24:53.977 [SPEAKER_00]: everybody just dies. 01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:56.183 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like fuck it. 01:24:56.384 --> 01:25:00.174 [SPEAKER_00]: You might not Loki Thor Spider-Man like I just 01:25:01.396 --> 01:25:14.439 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not grow super attached to anybody right now because if the case is somehow he does get Loki's ability, he could just recreate everything again. 01:25:14.539 --> 01:25:28.522 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know, but here's the thing that it's just like when they did infinity war, you know, like when they said, okay, we're going to, you know, kill half the population in the entire universe, at least that made sense and how they did that. 01:25:29.710 --> 01:25:37.857 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, and then you saw that that pain and that sorrow and this and that, but I don't know what the fuck they're doing right now. 01:25:37.877 --> 01:25:41.541 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at least like I said, Infinity War and endgame actually made sense to the most part. 01:25:42.261 --> 01:25:44.203 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this shit doesn't make any sense whatsoever. 01:25:45.004 --> 01:25:53.131 [SPEAKER_01]: And God fucking knows what we're going next with this, but I guess we'll have to tune in and find out because God forbid they want to tell us anything. 01:25:53.477 --> 01:25:53.957 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. 01:25:54.057 --> 01:25:55.678 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess it is what it is. 01:25:55.698 --> 01:26:09.545 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but we've talked enough about Marvel news because, you know, we love Marvel, but we also hate them at the same time because, like we said, there's nothing we can do about it besides wait a fucking year to find out what the hell's going to happen next. 01:26:10.806 --> 01:26:14.408 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, anyways, guys, you know, we appreciate everything you guys do. 01:26:14.548 --> 01:26:17.149 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully you give us a follow like all that fun stuff. 01:26:17.249 --> 01:26:21.091 [SPEAKER_01]: Check out our website, do all that fun stuff, but until next time boys and girls. 01:26:25.016 --> 01:26:26.727 [SPEAKER_03]: It's where it keeps from the multiverse.