WEBVTT 00:02.280 --> 00:05.344 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back guys, welcome back. 00:05.424 --> 00:14.574 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're joining us, we were just in a conversation about Earth's favorite topic last time on the show, the topic of gluttony. 00:15.255 --> 00:17.698 [SPEAKER_01]: Mmm, just warms the little heart of it. 00:18.712 --> 00:24.255 [SPEAKER_00]: And we got so into it that we had a whole other section we wanted to chase and that's what today's episode is. 00:24.375 --> 00:24.715 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 00:24.735 --> 00:27.056 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're picking up the second half of that conversation. 00:27.116 --> 00:33.398 [SPEAKER_01]: If you missed the first part, you can go back and listen to last week's episode, get caught up and then join us right here for the rest of that conversation. 00:33.759 --> 00:35.679 [SPEAKER_00]: And here we go. 00:37.260 --> 00:38.961 [SPEAKER_00]: The point of all food. 00:39.948 --> 00:48.435 [SPEAKER_00]: is to remind us via our taste buds what our soul needs to hear, which is, oh, Jesus is so good. 00:49.335 --> 00:55.620 [SPEAKER_00]: He is so much better than this, that this food is like marriage in that way. 00:55.660 --> 00:56.441 [SPEAKER_00]: What is marriage? 00:56.541 --> 01:00.143 [SPEAKER_00]: Marriage exists as a mystery to tell us about Christ in the church. 01:00.664 --> 01:04.187 [SPEAKER_00]: Food exists to tell us about Christ. 01:05.568 --> 01:07.430 [SPEAKER_00]: and his satisfying nature. 01:07.590 --> 01:14.679 [SPEAKER_00]: And so if you stop short in your journey of getting to Jesus, you have it, you haven't actually eaten as a Christian yet. 01:14.919 --> 01:15.099 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:15.119 --> 01:17.202 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you got to take it all the way there. 01:17.767 --> 01:29.473 [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, which I think gets to the heart of why this is a sin, to like come back to those issues at the beginning we talked about why do people not talk about it? 01:29.493 --> 01:30.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not hurting anybody, right? 01:31.094 --> 01:31.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is it a big deal? 01:31.994 --> 01:32.754 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a big deal. 01:32.774 --> 01:39.278 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, this is why it's a big deal because the point of the food is to point you to Jesus. 01:40.218 --> 01:43.280 [SPEAKER_01]: You are when we go astray in these 01:44.830 --> 01:45.351 [SPEAKER_01]: issues. 01:47.195 --> 01:52.865 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because almost at every occasion, I have a spiritual need. 01:53.882 --> 01:56.004 [SPEAKER_01]: that I am looking to food to solve. 01:56.024 --> 01:57.425 [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly right. 01:57.605 --> 02:06.434 [SPEAKER_01]: When I am physically hungry and I eat, like you've had a hard day outside doing like yard work all day and your tummy's been growling and you're like ready to call it a tummy? 02:06.974 --> 02:07.454 [SPEAKER_01]: I have kids. 02:07.495 --> 02:08.415 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you call it? 02:08.515 --> 02:08.936 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I did. 02:09.576 --> 02:11.198 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's different, right? 02:11.258 --> 02:12.859 [SPEAKER_01]: I have physical hunger. 02:13.180 --> 02:15.202 [SPEAKER_01]: My body is letting me know it's time to eat. 02:15.842 --> 02:19.365 [SPEAKER_01]: But there is a different hunger and we all know it, a stressful day. 02:20.106 --> 02:23.007 [SPEAKER_01]: boredom, it could be a thousand other things. 02:23.107 --> 02:30.370 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried about something or, you know, I just, I like having a taste in my mouth all the time, it could be any of those things. 02:30.490 --> 02:36.152 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are spiritual issues that Jesus alone is meant to be for us those, the answer to those things. 02:36.292 --> 02:39.273 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're taking that spiritual need and we're going to food and fix it. 02:39.613 --> 02:39.813 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 02:40.074 --> 02:42.878 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why it's an issue is because it is at a front to God. 02:42.978 --> 02:44.560 [SPEAKER_01]: It is to say you are not enough. 02:44.740 --> 02:45.902 [SPEAKER_01]: You are not satisfying. 02:46.383 --> 02:54.775 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to instead eat some chips or ice cream or more of my dinner because I will feel more satisfied that way. 02:55.535 --> 02:59.298 [SPEAKER_00]: in our pantry at home, you put up right in the middle, right? 02:59.318 --> 03:09.847 [SPEAKER_00]: When you open a neon orange card that says eat and drink like Jesus is truly satisfying. 03:10.855 --> 03:12.536 [SPEAKER_00]: every time you're reaching for those marshmallows. 03:13.176 --> 03:14.397 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do that for me, guys. 03:14.437 --> 03:15.478 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do that for anybody else. 03:15.698 --> 03:17.679 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, this is an issue in my life. 03:17.739 --> 03:19.780 [SPEAKER_01]: It always has been, especially stress. 03:19.880 --> 03:30.506 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, the kids just went down for the end of their day, and especially if I'm alone, like, I feel more tempted when I buy myself with these issues than when I'm with people, which is kind of the opposite of what you deal with. 03:30.566 --> 03:32.467 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a party eater, right? 03:32.507 --> 03:34.168 [SPEAKER_00]: You get 15 people in me in a room. 03:34.589 --> 03:35.829 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm putting on 15 pounds. 03:35.849 --> 03:37.851 [SPEAKER_00]: I do a pound of person, okay? 03:38.331 --> 03:39.672 [SPEAKER_00]: If it's a 30 person room, 03:40.592 --> 03:42.114 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to buy bigger pants to go. 03:43.315 --> 03:52.603 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of a long day, I feel really just, I want to take that stress, I feel and that's what I want to do instead of talking to the Lord about it, right? 03:52.643 --> 03:57.288 [SPEAKER_01]: So I put that there for me because I was like, I want to tell the right story with my eating. 03:57.608 --> 04:13.974 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to tell the story to myself and my kids, even if those are the only people who see Jesus' enough, he is satisfying, and if I'm not physically hungry, I can say no to this, and it matters to do so, because I've been commanded to eat for the glory of God, and this is a daily temptation for me. 04:14.454 --> 04:18.996 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're listening this and going, you know, you guys don't deal with that. 04:19.016 --> 04:19.476 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, 04:20.296 --> 04:21.298 [SPEAKER_01]: we deal with it every day. 04:21.779 --> 04:29.132 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just learning to talk about it with each other and with other people outside of the world, which is what our hope for this conversation is. 04:29.612 --> 04:33.599 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, you know, to speak to, I think there's probably people listening. 04:34.842 --> 05:03.161 [SPEAKER_01]: right now who are just there's probably a lot of shame or a lot of just you have a lot of bad habits of food you have not told a soul you know you don't know what to do with that I just want to say we have been there first of all you are not alone um i have a vivid memory of just I felt like I had these twin sins always battling right let me and vanity i was always watching my 05:04.562 --> 05:08.524 [SPEAKER_01]: what woman it doesn't deal with that, but I also wanted to eat all the things. 05:08.764 --> 05:14.027 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as a young kid of sneaking things up to my room under my shirt, you know, I would like stuff a few Oreos on she sticks though. 05:14.607 --> 05:16.388 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she's no, not she sticks. 05:17.168 --> 05:21.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but one of my ways to deal with it was to go, well, I have such a sweet tooth. 05:21.710 --> 05:24.812 [SPEAKER_01]: I, and college, I remember going, I'm not going to keep anything sweet in the house. 05:24.952 --> 05:28.434 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was one day that I was going, oh, why did I do that? 05:28.914 --> 05:29.895 [SPEAKER_01]: I just want something chocolate. 05:30.075 --> 05:32.677 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking through, you know, I had a roommate, but it was home by myself. 05:32.737 --> 05:34.558 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking through our pantry, and there's nothing. 05:35.178 --> 05:39.982 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was so desperate to just taste something sweet. 05:40.522 --> 05:44.325 [SPEAKER_01]: The only chocolate thing I could find was unsweetened cocoa powder. 05:45.660 --> 05:51.481 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just put some in a cup and mixed it with sugar, and ate it out of a coffee cup in my college apartment. 05:52.261 --> 05:53.982 [SPEAKER_01]: But I can't even laugh about it. 05:54.182 --> 05:58.182 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so, it was like, I just remember thinking, how do I hide the evidence? 05:59.063 --> 06:00.083 [SPEAKER_01]: How do I hide the evidence? 06:00.183 --> 06:06.384 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know so many people that it's like, how do I hide the evidence of the wrappers that I'm stuffing under the trash can? 06:06.404 --> 06:08.585 [SPEAKER_01]: The, how do I, they're shame? 06:09.125 --> 06:10.025 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're just saying, 06:10.885 --> 06:16.870 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, do you sharing some of your stories, uh, you dealt with a lot more of actual, like, I was never overweight. 06:16.890 --> 06:18.272 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was like no one would have known. 06:18.292 --> 06:21.354 [SPEAKER_01]: I was dealing with Gletney, but 100% I was. 06:21.394 --> 06:25.798 [SPEAKER_01]: And the same way you were, even though it probably felt more on, you know, on the nose. 06:25.818 --> 06:26.019 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:26.739 --> 06:28.940 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've been there, you are not alone. 06:28.980 --> 06:31.681 [SPEAKER_01]: And every time I share that, I have share the coffee cup. 06:32.521 --> 06:37.523 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sweet and cook upon a sugar story to a lot of women, and immediately their responses, me too. 06:37.563 --> 06:38.303 [SPEAKER_00]: Me too, yeah. 06:38.463 --> 06:39.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what it was for me. 06:39.803 --> 06:40.664 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 06:40.804 --> 06:42.064 [SPEAKER_01]: I just haven't talked to somebody. 06:42.124 --> 06:45.445 [SPEAKER_01]: And so if you're listening and feeling alone, I just don't want you to feel alone. 06:45.625 --> 06:46.646 [SPEAKER_01]: It is a sin issue. 06:46.686 --> 06:48.986 [SPEAKER_01]: God does want you to be free, and there is freedom. 06:49.026 --> 06:53.888 [SPEAKER_01]: But it won't happen without us dealing with it as a sin, which requires confession. 06:54.299 --> 06:55.759 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's so important. 06:55.780 --> 07:02.541 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you get to disclose that, too, because I do think we resonate with that. 07:02.762 --> 07:05.482 [SPEAKER_00]: We all hide, we all cover up. 07:06.183 --> 07:14.405 [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think you're also right to go, like, hey, the starting point of freedom for you is really the confession side of it. 07:14.425 --> 07:16.045 [SPEAKER_00]: It meant, I know it was for me. 07:18.306 --> 07:21.107 [SPEAKER_00]: I was about a hundred pounds overweight because of my gluttony issues. 07:22.217 --> 07:24.761 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've been trying to fight it my whole life. 07:25.241 --> 07:31.069 [SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't till, I think after we were married, and I started this Bible study that was kind of tailor-made for... 07:31.149 --> 07:32.972 [SPEAKER_01]: The same Bible study I referenced earlier, all right? 07:32.992 --> 07:34.694 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, we'll link it in the show notes. 07:34.894 --> 07:35.996 [SPEAKER_00]: It's still around. 07:36.376 --> 07:37.157 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been really helpful. 07:37.947 --> 07:46.075 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was the first time that someone was bold enough to essentially go, hey, so time to call a spade a spade. 07:46.496 --> 07:49.398 [SPEAKER_00]: The way you're eating, there's a good word for it. 07:49.418 --> 07:50.900 [SPEAKER_00]: It's three letters, it's called sin. 07:51.581 --> 07:53.282 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember like, feeling, 07:54.673 --> 07:55.294 [SPEAKER_00]: offended. 07:55.334 --> 07:57.297 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, and confused. 07:57.337 --> 08:01.522 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I just never, I'd never put this in such moral categories. 08:01.782 --> 08:03.665 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, as we put it in health categories. 08:03.725 --> 08:04.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 08:05.066 --> 08:13.177 [SPEAKER_00]: And that, that's actually the, the proneness we have in the West to, I think, distance ourselves from responsibility and culpability. 08:13.858 --> 08:15.219 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not slavery to something. 08:15.259 --> 08:16.020 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an addiction. 08:16.981 --> 08:19.364 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not sin. 08:20.145 --> 08:24.590 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a genetic proneness to overeat. 08:24.790 --> 08:25.451 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, well, 08:26.370 --> 08:42.720 [SPEAKER_00]: now you've taken away your agency that's right now now you've said I am a victim of my circumstances and my chemical makeup and there's just so little freedom in that now you're going to need medication you know instead of repentance. 08:43.420 --> 08:57.829 [SPEAKER_00]: But, but even though there are medications that can help us jump start things and things like that, we're not, which we're not against, it medication will, will short circuit your sanctification. 08:58.069 --> 09:05.474 [SPEAKER_00]: If you think that by taking something, I'm somehow beating my issue with this. 09:07.490 --> 09:21.733 [SPEAKER_00]: And we were just, it was the first time for me in my early 20s to go, okay, this is actually a sin thing, and if it's a sin thing, that means that I need a supernatural save your and the power of his spirit to do something. 09:21.933 --> 09:32.816 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which if you're wanting like a good next step of like, how do I How do I fight this if you're resonating with this and go, I've never I've never called it symbol it is 09:37.677 --> 09:39.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Something being called sin gives me. 09:39.238 --> 09:46.823 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that word because when it's just a struggle like, oh, I really struggle with this It feels so like what could I do about it? 09:46.943 --> 09:53.688 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but when all of a sudden I'm aware like there have been moments just midday I'm just eating mindlessly. 09:53.768 --> 09:54.688 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even hungry. 09:54.768 --> 10:01.232 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, ah, this is cuz I'm not praying and I'm stressed and I'm like immediately I now have an action step. 10:01.273 --> 10:01.433 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 10:02.233 --> 10:08.397 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to can't tell you how many times I've been on my knees on the kitchen floor, our kitchen rug, and there's like, Jesus, I'm sorry. 10:08.897 --> 10:10.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I really would rather eat chips than talk to you. 10:11.198 --> 10:15.280 [SPEAKER_01]: And that sounds so dumb to say, oh, wow, that's exactly how I feel right now. 10:15.460 --> 10:15.620 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:15.661 --> 10:16.821 [SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly how I feel. 10:16.881 --> 10:19.663 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry, you are more important to me than that. 10:19.703 --> 10:21.284 [SPEAKER_01]: I just repentance begins. 10:21.424 --> 10:22.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:22.404 --> 10:27.147 [SPEAKER_01]: And I get to, in that moment, say, I can't fight this, which is what the Bible teaches. 10:27.827 --> 10:34.532 [SPEAKER_01]: You if you feel helpless and hopeless you are that's why you repent and you run to your savior Yeah, so you help me. 10:34.953 --> 10:35.953 [SPEAKER_01]: We help me know what to do. 10:36.013 --> 10:41.277 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we want to give you a few action steps of like how how do you how do you fight back? 10:41.357 --> 10:45.380 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the first one is if it's sin then repent. 10:45.621 --> 10:47.342 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, repent call what it is 10:47.642 --> 10:59.753 [SPEAKER_01]: of what it is and find someone to confess to and find someone to start having this conversation with because any temptation is impossible to fight alone and so if you're already trying to fight it alone, it's already losing battle. 11:00.073 --> 11:04.917 [SPEAKER_01]: Shame will just take over and you will just be in that cycle of I thought I'd be different today. 11:04.937 --> 11:06.419 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I'd be different today and you won't be. 11:06.899 --> 11:09.562 [SPEAKER_01]: find a safe friend you can trust and get a text right going up. 11:09.602 --> 11:13.627 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling really tempted right now in this way, pray for me, encourage me. 11:14.087 --> 11:16.170 [SPEAKER_01]: So repent and confess. 11:16.210 --> 11:19.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Then another one I would say is this is going to sound really counterintuitive. 11:19.954 --> 11:23.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Like how do you, how do you fight the sin of gluttony? 11:24.497 --> 11:25.837 [SPEAKER_01]: you enjoy food. 11:25.857 --> 11:33.939 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to sound really backward, but going back to gratitude and food is a gift. 11:34.079 --> 11:40.781 [SPEAKER_01]: And this isn't that Bible City, too, that we were referencing, but it has really helped me to slow down at every meal. 11:41.221 --> 11:45.122 [SPEAKER_01]: And even if I am eating a snack midday that is good and appropriate to go, 11:46.593 --> 12:12.003 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to enjoy the taste of this and I'm going to thank God that he made things salty and he made things sweet and that he when those are combined they're even better like I'm going to take a moment to slow down in my eating now the world will call this mindful eating I don't like how that's been co-opted into like non-spiritual spaces but this is really a good practice for us as Christians go God made my taste buds and he made this food and isn't that awesome 12:12.483 --> 12:13.924 [SPEAKER_00]: You're saying food's not the enemy. 12:14.304 --> 12:15.205 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 12:15.485 --> 12:19.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Our culture wants to make these categories of foods and enemies. 12:19.508 --> 12:19.888 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:19.988 --> 12:23.210 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're saying, actually, Paul says, receive it with gratitude. 12:23.270 --> 12:23.730 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 12:24.070 --> 12:26.252 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a powerful thing to do as a Christian. 12:26.392 --> 12:36.698 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and enjoying it in the way you did, connected to the gospel, can as the signposts, to enjoy the taste of food and think instantly about your good God. 12:37.739 --> 12:47.785 [SPEAKER_01]: is one of the things that helps you say no when it's time to be done, because you've savered Him, you've savered Jesus as you've savered the food, as it's meant to point to Him. 12:47.865 --> 12:57.311 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's actually a great help in helping us slow down and really enjoy the food that we are given repent but then enjoy food. 12:58.172 --> 13:00.713 [SPEAKER_01]: Like slow down and enjoy it and thank God as you do. 13:01.454 --> 13:02.374 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a really 13:03.637 --> 13:11.863 [SPEAKER_00]: I think another thing that it sounds kind of duh, maybe, for us, but when we're getting real practical, how do I fight this? 13:12.443 --> 13:19.408 [SPEAKER_00]: Just, there's no, there's no beating this thing called your flesh. 13:19.808 --> 13:20.909 [SPEAKER_00]: There's only fleeing. 13:21.430 --> 13:22.250 [SPEAKER_00]: You see, that's great. 13:22.270 --> 13:29.816 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I talk about this a lot when I'm trying to help guys overcome even sexual addiction and things like that. 13:30.742 --> 13:40.468 [SPEAKER_00]: But the answer is not like, you know, get so mentally tough that you can, you can camp out, you know, in a... 13:42.143 --> 13:45.125 [SPEAKER_00]: in your kitchen and be totally cool no matter what's there. 13:45.165 --> 13:51.208 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, the Bible repeatedly looks at Christians and says, you're actually super weak. 13:51.668 --> 13:58.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus is strong in you, that's true, but the command repeatedly, like four or five times in the New Testament is flee. 13:59.532 --> 14:03.634 [SPEAKER_00]: flee idolatry, flee sexual immorality, flee youthful lust. 14:03.914 --> 14:07.296 [SPEAKER_00]: These are, this is how the New Testament prescribes what we do. 14:08.116 --> 14:09.077 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a principle here 14:10.477 --> 14:13.799 [SPEAKER_00]: There is power in proximity, you know? 14:14.759 --> 14:23.443 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it turns out it's really hard to eat a half gallon of ice cream if you don't wait for it own a half gallon of ice cream. 14:24.324 --> 14:25.684 [SPEAKER_00]: It's super hard to do that. 14:26.004 --> 14:36.429 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know it's like duh, but sometimes, like just putting those roadblocks around you, you know, this is just wisdom for the Christian. 14:39.113 --> 14:42.365 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to fill my world with temptations. 14:42.385 --> 14:44.412 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to think about my rhythms in a day. 14:44.432 --> 14:45.355 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to think about... 14:46.692 --> 14:46.913 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 14:46.973 --> 14:54.340 [SPEAKER_01]: Which food is not, again, food is not the enemy, but like for me, I will not buy Eminem's, which are my favorite candy unless we're on a road trip. 14:54.540 --> 14:59.305 [SPEAKER_01]: It is like, Eminem's are wrong, but if I keep them in the house, I just don't have willpower. 14:59.525 --> 15:03.009 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, May's will just throw them out because it's not good. 15:03.029 --> 15:09.195 [SPEAKER_01]: So are there any other ways, like practically, what does that look like, fleeing in temptation and in gluttony temptations? 15:09.995 --> 15:15.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I grew up spaces, especially knowing yourself is how you begin with this. 15:15.680 --> 15:20.284 [SPEAKER_00]: So like a second ago, we just said, hey, when you're alone, that's where you feel the temptation. 15:20.544 --> 15:22.306 [SPEAKER_00]: When I'm with people, that's why I put it. 15:22.566 --> 15:27.990 [SPEAKER_00]: When you leave and the kids are gone, and I'm just by my, I'm working out, I'm like, 15:28.991 --> 15:30.353 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like an iron man. 15:30.413 --> 15:31.374 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's happened. 15:31.394 --> 15:32.034 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what I'm saying. 15:32.054 --> 15:34.797 [SPEAKER_00]: When I get around people, I'm like, is that bacon? 15:34.937 --> 15:35.278 [SPEAKER_00]: Give me that. 15:35.478 --> 15:39.502 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so, um, so I think knowing yourself well enough to know. 15:39.582 --> 15:40.604 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what are the settings? 15:40.664 --> 15:44.748 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for me, when I was on tour, it was really tough because you're around people all the time. 15:45.277 --> 15:52.559 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when you come off stage, the caterings there would ever, and they just have a buffet of everything of amazing things. 15:53.039 --> 16:04.223 [SPEAKER_00]: And I knew, like I was regularly experiencing loss because I'd go in the green room and they'd just be played at cookies, and my buddies. 16:04.263 --> 16:05.163 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, here we go. 16:05.683 --> 16:08.524 [SPEAKER_00]: So I had to develop a real, I had to go, OK. 16:09.324 --> 16:12.885 [SPEAKER_00]: That scene is a scene of my temptation. 16:13.165 --> 16:14.986 [SPEAKER_00]: It isn't for everybody else in this room, maybe. 16:15.246 --> 16:16.046 [SPEAKER_00]: But for me it is. 16:16.386 --> 16:23.809 [SPEAKER_00]: So I know every day at 5pm or whatever, I'm going to be tempted. 16:23.929 --> 16:26.469 [SPEAKER_00]: So now I can take some measures. 16:27.190 --> 16:31.471 [SPEAKER_00]: I can let some guys know when I go in that space to keep me accountable. 16:31.851 --> 16:33.812 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, this is how I'm wired. 16:35.072 --> 16:37.634 [SPEAKER_00]: If you see me over there, you tap my shoulder. 16:39.195 --> 16:52.505 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things I started developing was like, before I go to that table with all the food, I remember going in like a dark room and grabbing my Bible and reading and meditating on John 635. 16:53.405 --> 16:54.945 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus said to them, I'm the bright of life. 16:54.965 --> 16:56.026 [SPEAKER_00]: He who comes to me will never hug her. 16:56.066 --> 16:57.186 [SPEAKER_00]: He who believes in me will never thirst. 16:57.206 --> 16:59.507 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember sitting there, it's re-net going on. 17:00.027 --> 17:12.230 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel the temptation to gorge, but I'm fully in that from home to come here and to preach to myself, the truth, so that when I go there, I don't see that as my savior anymore. 17:12.330 --> 17:12.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 17:13.090 --> 17:14.931 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see that as my satisfy anymore. 17:15.011 --> 17:15.431 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 17:15.531 --> 17:19.912 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm going to, Lord, will you satisfy me before I leave this closet? 17:21.712 --> 17:25.953 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and again, and I began experience in that victory. 17:26.113 --> 17:26.313 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 17:26.494 --> 17:37.436 [SPEAKER_01]: There's even decisions I've made publicly like when we're with parties or things like that where I will choose my fleeing is I'm going to choose to throw away my plate versus keep it for like another round of food. 17:37.476 --> 17:39.057 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like there's a choice of like, I think, 17:39.797 --> 18:02.277 [SPEAKER_01]: that's good yeah if you're right hand causes you to sin cut it let me throw it away if you're right plate causes you to sin which was crazy it was fine china what you threw away which is good for you she didn't care she cares but at home all right that's one of the lies we believe about food is I shouldn't ever waste it I should never waste food like the Bible never says that it does say don't sin with food 18:02.917 --> 18:25.348 [SPEAKER_01]: So like better to throw away food if it will tend to and I have done that when there's been stuff in our pantry and you're gone for a weekend of events or something I'm like all right I mean they're gonna gift it to a neighbor or it's out of here or even in the moment when I've found myself mid snacking I'm like nope it's better for me to honor God in my eating which yeah so flee I would say one other thing 18:27.007 --> 18:31.149 [SPEAKER_01]: Fasting is a really helpful discipline for this part of our lives. 18:32.009 --> 18:41.192 [SPEAKER_01]: We see fasting being a normative thing in the New Testament that it's assumed that we would fast and every time that it is referenced, it is not social media fast that it's talking about. 18:41.272 --> 18:42.653 [SPEAKER_01]: It's talking about fasting from food. 18:43.268 --> 18:46.830 [SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't it be crazy if it was talking about social media and it said, isn't it funny? 18:46.850 --> 18:49.231 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the only way I really thought we could talk about our Zuckerberg. 18:49.251 --> 18:49.991 [SPEAKER_00]: Get in this thing. 18:50.372 --> 18:51.332 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, sorry. 18:51.592 --> 19:02.538 [SPEAKER_01]: But we have regularly had a weekly fast day where we're fasting from food for 24 hours drinking, yes, but food when I eating from dinner one night to dinner the next night. 19:02.918 --> 19:08.240 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is always felt so helpful to build into my week the practice of no. 19:10.225 --> 19:12.247 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I would like to be breakfast. 19:12.747 --> 19:14.148 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not going to. 19:14.308 --> 19:15.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Food is not my master. 19:16.090 --> 19:24.176 [SPEAKER_01]: And even hunger, due to honor me eight, I love due to honor me eight because God says to people, I let you get hungry and the desert and I fed you. 19:24.636 --> 19:30.861 [SPEAKER_01]: Both hunger and eating were meant to tell you, man doesn't live by bread alone, but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God. 19:30.901 --> 19:32.423 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the context of that verse. 19:32.963 --> 19:36.466 [SPEAKER_01]: And so my hunger tells me a sermon and my eating tells me a sermon. 19:37.467 --> 19:42.131 [SPEAKER_01]: about the Lord and so letting yourself feel hunger is good. 19:42.731 --> 19:45.373 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we tend to think that some evil thing we can never experience. 19:46.014 --> 19:53.640 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't have a regular rhythm of fasting, if you are healthy and cleared medically to be able to do so, it is a really good practice. 19:53.841 --> 19:54.921 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 19:55.942 --> 19:58.184 [SPEAKER_01]: How many emails are we going to get from this episode, do you think? 19:58.905 --> 20:00.066 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know. 20:00.086 --> 20:01.667 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if my mom's going to email me. 20:01.847 --> 20:02.368 [SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy, you? 20:02.848 --> 20:23.577 [SPEAKER_01]: You put those cheese sticks in your pockets and you never told you mother she probably knows by now So we want to just address we got we already got several questions in Yes about this issue because we don't talk about it and so we want to go ahead and try and address it You know, so you know 20:24.597 --> 20:44.366 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh 20:49.063 --> 20:53.307 [SPEAKER_00]: So, highlighted facts, like when you're talking about pornography, it's like, yeah, don't look a pornography. 20:53.747 --> 20:54.247 [SPEAKER_00]: Full stop. 20:54.728 --> 20:54.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 20:55.108 --> 20:55.248 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 20:55.268 --> 20:55.929 [SPEAKER_01]: Or even alcohol. 20:56.369 --> 20:57.270 [SPEAKER_01]: You can just go, just don't drink. 20:57.590 --> 20:59.031 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can live without alcohol. 20:59.051 --> 21:00.573 [SPEAKER_01]: You can literally just go. 21:00.613 --> 21:01.033 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sober. 21:01.113 --> 21:02.895 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not ever going to touch glass again. 21:03.455 --> 21:04.496 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can't do that with food. 21:04.736 --> 21:05.977 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it makes it a little trickier. 21:06.037 --> 21:08.059 [SPEAKER_00]: We can for about 20 days. 21:08.099 --> 21:08.359 [SPEAKER_00]: And then. 21:10.148 --> 21:10.328 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:10.528 --> 21:13.749 [SPEAKER_01]: And we would actually say, so like, can I just tangent here for a second? 21:13.849 --> 21:26.193 [SPEAKER_01]: On the flip side, if you're dealing with the opposite end of the spectrum of eating disorders and not eating at all, like that's also a misuse of food, because it's not living as God has designed our body. 21:26.213 --> 21:32.555 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not respecting the authority of the body God gave you that He has designed it to need food to survive. 21:33.175 --> 21:37.917 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is meant to teach you every day that you rely on someone else's provision to be sustained. 21:38.337 --> 21:40.478 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is also a problem. 21:40.739 --> 21:47.963 [SPEAKER_01]: We do have, it is actually spiritually a good thing for us to eat regularly, which, yeah, is complicating. 21:49.447 --> 21:50.027 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any answer? 21:50.808 --> 21:51.148 [SPEAKER_00]: It is. 21:51.168 --> 22:11.016 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've tackled a little bit of it earlier, but I think it is worth saying this is a more difficult sense struggle to wrestle down than some others because you are saying I do still need it in my life. 22:11.856 --> 22:13.917 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it means 22:15.728 --> 22:24.712 [SPEAKER_00]: If nothing else just means I need so much dependence on the Spirit of God, because I am going to be around it, you know. 22:24.872 --> 22:27.753 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like I can clear out my whole pantry. 22:29.053 --> 22:29.633 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 22:29.733 --> 22:32.795 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a certain level of fleeing you cannot accomplish with this. 22:33.235 --> 22:37.496 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it is going to require different types and levels of self-control. 22:37.557 --> 22:41.218 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if I think the answer is just, 22:43.465 --> 22:45.890 [SPEAKER_00]: be dependent on the spirit and 22:49.163 --> 22:52.625 [SPEAKER_00]: and lean into the resources he's given you to fight. 22:52.785 --> 22:59.750 [SPEAKER_00]: I think community makes fighting this thing way more possible. 23:00.310 --> 23:14.460 [SPEAKER_00]: When you have folks around you who know what you're dealing with, that has been such the difference maker for me to have guys that I can confess this stuff to who can see me around food. 23:15.260 --> 23:26.462 [SPEAKER_00]: and know that like Jimmy is gonna eat, but he has given me the borders he would like to live within, and to hold me accountable, that's been a really big help for me, since I can't cut it out. 23:26.942 --> 23:27.783 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, cold turkey. 23:27.843 --> 23:28.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, welcome. 23:28.963 --> 23:30.803 [SPEAKER_01]: You've welcomed people in. 23:30.823 --> 23:39.625 [SPEAKER_01]: There is probably a lot of strategy, and even, I think the first step is know yourself, where is my temptation showing up, and how can I be thoughtful at advance of that? 23:40.065 --> 23:43.326 [SPEAKER_01]: And what things need, how do I need to flee, how do I make provision? 23:46.386 --> 23:48.088 [SPEAKER_01]: We tend to think of this as a bad thing. 23:48.128 --> 23:49.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, this is so much work. 23:50.470 --> 23:52.052 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be so hard to fight this. 23:52.673 --> 23:57.698 [SPEAKER_01]: But might it be that this is the thing God is going to use to train us in dependency. 23:58.378 --> 24:02.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, might it be that this is like our little mini boot camp on. 24:03.344 --> 24:07.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Go into God a hundred times a day in repentance and independence. 24:08.009 --> 24:14.657 [SPEAKER_01]: I have found it to be that for me So there might be people listening to a gosh guys Like nup, it's not that big of a deal. 24:14.897 --> 24:16.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Just saying the Bible made it a big deal 24:17.399 --> 24:24.682 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big deal in my life, because I deal with it every day, but it's something that God is actually using to form me, and my kids are getting to see that too. 24:24.842 --> 24:28.984 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's no easy answer to that, because it can be different for everybody. 24:29.584 --> 24:31.125 [SPEAKER_01]: It is attention, but yeah. 24:31.165 --> 24:32.366 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:32.446 --> 24:33.846 [SPEAKER_00]: You just want to grab one more. 24:33.866 --> 24:34.867 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to do this guy right here? 24:35.227 --> 24:35.947 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll ask this one. 24:36.407 --> 24:36.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes? 24:36.908 --> 24:37.648 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to know. 24:37.668 --> 24:38.668 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to answer to see. 24:39.009 --> 24:40.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here we go. 24:40.049 --> 24:40.789 [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go. 24:40.829 --> 24:44.191 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's really hard to rely on the spirit 24:47.790 --> 24:52.336 [SPEAKER_00]: and also have the grit of discipline to fight temptation. 24:52.876 --> 24:59.143 [SPEAKER_00]: Where is the line between the spiritual fruit and self-discipline? 24:59.904 --> 25:04.169 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me see if I can say it back. 25:04.830 --> 25:05.871 [SPEAKER_00]: The question is about, 25:07.453 --> 25:13.563 [SPEAKER_00]: The fruit of the Spirit, one of the fruit of the Spirit, in Galatians, is the fruit of self-controlled. 25:13.603 --> 25:16.047 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what the Spirit produces in a person. 25:17.249 --> 25:18.491 [SPEAKER_00]: And this question is going, 25:22.088 --> 25:29.792 [SPEAKER_00]: fruit of the spirit of self-discipline and then like just the grit and grind of fighting sin and saying no, you know. 25:30.033 --> 25:34.075 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the Holy Spirit that good gift he's just giving me and what part do I have? 25:34.155 --> 25:34.795 [SPEAKER_01]: What is his part? 25:34.815 --> 25:35.496 [SPEAKER_01]: What's my part? 25:35.516 --> 25:36.957 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 25:37.077 --> 25:50.645 [SPEAKER_00]: My answer is the sweaty brow grit hard work thing that you feel that you're putting in the bucket of just pure grit. 25:52.255 --> 26:00.937 [SPEAKER_00]: is what it feels like to exercise the self-control that's given as a gift by the Spirit to you. 26:02.518 --> 26:17.662 [SPEAKER_00]: When we think about the fruit of the Spirit, I think it can be tempting to think of it as this passive thing that comes over us, like we're like suddenly a wash and self-control and what it means to have a holy spirit or a self-control is it feels easy to say no. 26:19.020 --> 26:34.044 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that's the impression that the Bible gives, like Paul regularly uses the word labor and agony to talk about what it feels like for him to fight for holiness to do, go hard after the Lord. 26:34.164 --> 26:35.605 [SPEAKER_00]: There's the language he 26:36.584 --> 26:43.569 [SPEAKER_00]: He uses of himself and we would certainly say Paul is understanding that as him operating in the spirit. 26:44.090 --> 26:47.192 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's both things are, it's the same thing. 26:47.312 --> 26:47.952 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing. 26:48.012 --> 26:48.813 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing. 26:49.053 --> 26:57.639 [SPEAKER_00]: To, for it to be really hard and you to overcome by what feels like, you know, the gritted teeth of exertion. 26:57.659 --> 27:01.142 [SPEAKER_01]: And God help me, I can hardly make it. 27:01.923 --> 27:04.084 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're crying out to him and it's so difficult. 27:05.916 --> 27:12.042 [SPEAKER_00]: the the holy spirit fruit of self control is the same thing. 27:12.222 --> 27:12.422 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 27:12.803 --> 27:12.983 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:13.303 --> 27:16.246 [SPEAKER_01]: One is like describing it the back end like what's happening. 27:16.266 --> 27:16.646 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 27:16.806 --> 27:18.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Find the scenes and one is like here's how feels. 27:19.029 --> 27:19.249 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:19.929 --> 27:21.231 [SPEAKER_01]: And so if that's how it feels to you. 27:22.663 --> 27:22.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Good job. 27:23.163 --> 27:24.224 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's normal. 27:24.324 --> 27:28.848 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a sign that you're doing it wrong if it feels hard to say no. 27:29.049 --> 27:29.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 27:29.529 --> 27:29.789 [SPEAKER_00]: You know? 27:30.450 --> 27:30.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:31.471 --> 27:32.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, one more. 27:32.471 --> 27:32.972 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, one more. 27:32.992 --> 27:33.332 [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go. 27:34.173 --> 27:35.334 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a great question. 27:35.534 --> 27:38.617 [SPEAKER_00]: How should we confront gluttony in others? 27:39.077 --> 27:39.337 [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh. 27:40.218 --> 27:47.825 [SPEAKER_00]: I personally feel like gluttony is not really seen as a sin in society at large, or even in the church. 27:49.565 --> 27:58.917 [SPEAKER_00]: And so the question is, how to do that when you're, yeah, when you see maybe somebody who's, who's dealing with, I'll tell you, it's, 28:01.088 --> 28:29.207 [SPEAKER_00]: way harder and more complicated when there are things like weight issues involved because it can be read as very judgmental or needlessly critical and our culture is very sensitive to things like body shaming and things like that and certainly as Christians we don't we don't want to be body shaming people we are after if any if you ever are going to confront 28:30.710 --> 28:40.133 [SPEAKER_00]: But you better be sure that you're doing it not so that they look better, but so that they're honoring the Lord Jesus and how they're engaging with food. 28:40.153 --> 28:42.114 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say you've got to sort your home mode as first. 28:42.354 --> 28:42.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 28:43.435 --> 28:48.776 [SPEAKER_01]: And wait, there are many factors that play into somebody's weight. 28:48.836 --> 28:49.237 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 28:49.277 --> 28:50.717 [SPEAKER_01]: So we also need to say that. 28:50.897 --> 28:55.479 [SPEAKER_00]: Not everyone who is right is a glutton and not everyone who is thin is not. 28:56.139 --> 28:59.141 [SPEAKER_01]: 100% so like it can it can tell a false story. 28:59.741 --> 29:07.344 [SPEAKER_01]: There are there are some things that are some generalities we can make but not in every case and the medications and a thousand other predisposed things. 29:08.785 --> 29:10.486 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a thousand things so just caution there. 29:10.786 --> 29:17.509 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's what going back to you know earlier in this episode what we said about these are the ways that God has marked out for us to relate to food. 29:18.130 --> 29:21.651 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think one the easiest way to address 29:25.153 --> 29:38.286 [SPEAKER_01]: is if you're sharing meals with them and it feels very obvious and shared moments of eating that some of the ways the Bible has outlined for us to eat is being breached. 29:38.586 --> 29:41.409 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so like just use the like eat for God's glory. 29:41.449 --> 29:45.633 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you have a friend who only talks about food, let's talk about it in the like the like the 29:46.574 --> 29:56.986 [SPEAKER_01]: vein category, right, if not overweight, but like I am parsing out every meal just so that I'm only talking about it in terms of what it's going to do for me, for my body, there's no talk of the Lord. 29:57.006 --> 30:01.130 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, then maybe that's a way to go, hey, I've noticed that 30:02.151 --> 30:07.494 [SPEAKER_01]: When you talk about food or how you eat, God seems pretty absent in that conversation. 30:07.514 --> 30:11.256 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I see in the word is that it says, we should eat for his glory. 30:11.276 --> 30:12.697 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm wondering if you've thought about it. 30:13.978 --> 30:22.083 [SPEAKER_01]: And just to come with curiosity, and to bring actual shared experiences with food and the word, and have a conversation. 30:24.484 --> 30:29.986 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that should always come with all the other commands of Scripture before you ever consider pulling the spec out of anybody's eye. 30:30.006 --> 30:34.167 [SPEAKER_01]: You pull the log out of your own and you first go, God, where is gluttony in my heart and life? 30:34.827 --> 30:50.633 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do, the reason we're talking about it, the reason we're doing this episode is because we're hoping this helps conversation happen more and give us a shared language because one of the other challenges to this is there are a lot of people who are unaware that this is even a sin at all. 30:51.613 --> 31:15.209 [SPEAKER_01]: There's probably a whole bunch of people who this would be brand new news that any part of their eating has anything to do with God, and so there may first need to be so education, like you might have a friend who's really dealing with this, and it should be done very prayerfully, but it might just be, hey, did you know the Bible has something to say about how you'd, I'd love to explore that with you, and maybe the Bible study we're linking in the show notes, you go through together, and 31:15.689 --> 31:25.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And you take someone's outside voice, not yours, you know, together, listen to it, work through it together, and become a partner, and together go, let's fight this together. 31:25.598 --> 31:28.761 [SPEAKER_01]: We want to honor God with everything that we do as we're commanded. 31:29.322 --> 31:33.846 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you have to be very careful with it, but at the same time, I do hope like every sin issue. 31:34.687 --> 31:47.515 [SPEAKER_01]: that we would begin talking about it with one another so that we could be free and so that we could look different than the world so that at the end of the day Jesus is made much of, that we're really eating and drinking in such a way that other non-Christians around us are going, that's weird. 31:48.215 --> 31:48.896 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you like that? 31:49.556 --> 31:50.897 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I know the true bread. 31:50.917 --> 31:52.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to know the real bread? 31:52.958 --> 31:53.499 [SPEAKER_01]: He's better. 31:53.879 --> 31:59.642 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, we want our lifestyle to preach that and it to matters that we do this well. 31:59.883 --> 32:03.125 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's not all you could say about it, but that's something. 32:04.325 --> 32:06.486 [SPEAKER_01]: So, try the caution and prayerfully. 32:06.606 --> 32:07.086 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 32:08.806 --> 32:23.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is, you know, dicey waters and can be really complicated to talk about and uncomfortable, but I do hope that you found this helpful and that maybe you found it freeing too. 32:24.330 --> 32:47.662 [SPEAKER_00]: And we just want to invite you again if there's something that you're you're seeing in yourself dealing with bringing it to the light bringing it before brothers and sisters who you trust that that can help you walk into freedom into a way that that engages with food to the glory of God we so want that for you and we hope you would take that next step even after listen to an episode just like this. 32:48.562 --> 32:52.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Which a great practical next step is get the Bible study and the show notes we've been referencing. 32:53.327 --> 32:59.494 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great next step to just start working through what is the Bible to say about food and work through it. 32:59.534 --> 33:00.876 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really balanced. 33:01.196 --> 33:02.458 [SPEAKER_01]: We really highly recommend it. 33:02.498 --> 33:03.058 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right. 33:03.238 --> 33:08.444 [SPEAKER_01]: And then share this with a friend and talk about it and say, hey, I've never talked to anybody in my live about gluttony. 33:08.544 --> 33:09.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk together. 33:10.386 --> 33:20.188 [SPEAKER_01]: And have a conversation and maybe invite your small group to discuss it, we think that could be so valuable to just open the door for us to get rid of shame and instead find freedom instead. 33:20.688 --> 33:22.489 [SPEAKER_01]: So would encourage you to do that. 33:23.009 --> 33:33.912 [SPEAKER_01]: We're so thankful for our Patreon partners who make episodes like this possible who are having conversations with us in advance a lot of times before these episodes as we're thinking about how to craft them what needs to be said. 33:40.514 --> 33:51.127 [SPEAKER_01]: Because people who listen and love this podcast have come alongside with us and we'd love to have you as part of that team If you're interested in that you can go to patreon dot com search Jimmy and Kelly Needham you'll find us there. 33:51.588 --> 33:53.190 [SPEAKER_01]: We'd love to have you on our next recording. 33:53.230 --> 33:54.672 [SPEAKER_01]: We do live recordings with everybody 33:55.653 --> 34:04.435 [SPEAKER_00]: If you've got any questions about any of this stuff that we're talking about, we always have a email for you to send a question to us just question at clearlypodcast.com. 34:04.715 --> 34:05.536 [SPEAKER_00]: We'd love to hear from you. 34:05.756 --> 34:12.097 [SPEAKER_00]: We put it in our little database and we get to it eventually and so we would love to engage with whatever's on your mind about this. 34:12.138 --> 34:13.418 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure some questions have come up. 34:13.458 --> 34:16.299 [SPEAKER_00]: So we do this every week, every Tuesday. 34:16.339 --> 34:18.679 [SPEAKER_00]: So be on the lookout for the next one coming up next week. 34:19.339 --> 34:20.620 [SPEAKER_00]: Great full that you guys tuned in. 34:20.660 --> 34:21.120 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you then.