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a good time, but I'm here to talk baseball because we are what? 01:39.695 --> 01:43.740 [SPEAKER_00]: Three weeks removed from the trend deadline, and we have plenty of reactions. 01:43.860 --> 01:48.246 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some overreactions in there, so that'll be fun to discuss, but Adam Winer, how is it going? 01:48.286 --> 01:48.867 [SPEAKER_00]: Happy Friday. 01:50.001 --> 01:50.782 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going well. 01:50.942 --> 02:04.772 [SPEAKER_01]: I did want to touch base on when we opened the notebook a little bit to talk about the lock out intel and split thoughts and might as well just do it now before we get into trade deadline returns and we're still under that three week mark three weeks as money. 02:04.792 --> 02:08.235 [SPEAKER_01]: It's too soon to judge, but also that's how you judge trade deadline deals. 02:08.675 --> 02:09.596 [SPEAKER_01]: There ain't much time. 02:09.956 --> 02:12.759 [SPEAKER_01]: It's August, it's September, and it's the playoffs. 02:12.839 --> 02:14.040 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're lucky to have to get in it. 02:14.120 --> 02:18.984 [SPEAKER_01]: So the user snap judgements, these are not permanent judgements, these are not saying these players can never help. 02:19.465 --> 02:21.406 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just saying they haven't helped much. 02:21.507 --> 02:25.890 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll hate to cap that playoff field, especially in the American League again before the end of show. 02:25.910 --> 02:35.159 [SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to what comes next, what you're hearing from executives and the people that you spoke to about the potential looming lockout, what did you take away from those conversations? 02:35.942 --> 02:54.920 [SPEAKER_00]: Just how varying all the answers were there is some people I spoke to who said that they did not think there would be baseball next season I quoted one person and he was he was pretty adamant that he didn't think count me and that there was going to be baseball and afterwards He was like do I sound like tool crumpy old man right now and I'm like 02:55.460 --> 03:14.279 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you saw like a lot of other people in baseball right now, but we also have other people who think that there's going to be baseball There's even people who don't think there's going to be even any delay What's so wherever where there is one person who is is said maybe I'm an optimist Maybe I'm too optimistic here, but March 29th is going to be opening days. 03:14.319 --> 03:15.620 [SPEAKER_00]: What are you ended up telling me so? 03:15.987 --> 03:31.213 [SPEAKER_00]: That although the varying answers are just a wide ranging thing, it kind of feels exactly like where it's at in terms of the negotiations, because you have one side who is adamant about a salary cap being there, then you have one side where there's adamant about a salary cap, not being there or so. 03:32.064 --> 03:36.805 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a totally wild negotiation that is going to be happening. 03:36.965 --> 03:40.186 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say it would be happening right now, but they're not negotiating. 03:40.586 --> 03:44.927 [SPEAKER_00]: And really, at this point, nobody really knows when these talks are going to start. 03:45.107 --> 03:50.268 [SPEAKER_00]: And probably it's going to end up being after the lockout even happens, which, again, it's going to be a roller coaster. 03:50.988 --> 03:57.810 [SPEAKER_00]: I think everyone is brace for it at this point, but I still am incredibly optimistic on my end that there is going to be baseball next year. 03:59.642 --> 04:09.164 [SPEAKER_01]: bucket to I don't know if I'm as optimistic as the guy who thinks opening day is the end of March, but I still think about both sides will realize what is its stake at some point. 04:09.284 --> 04:10.365 [SPEAKER_01]: It will get dicey. 04:10.505 --> 04:11.645 [SPEAKER_01]: It will get nasty. 04:11.725 --> 04:12.765 [SPEAKER_01]: Mud will be slung. 04:13.265 --> 04:14.846 [SPEAKER_01]: Presidents may intervene. 04:15.126 --> 04:16.826 [SPEAKER_01]: We can believe Jeff Fasten's latest. 04:17.586 --> 04:19.107 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it is. 04:19.527 --> 04:23.648 [SPEAKER_01]: I think at the end of the day we will settle with limited damage. 04:23.848 --> 04:24.428 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what? 04:24.828 --> 04:26.009 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody, wow me. 04:26.269 --> 04:27.089 [SPEAKER_01]: Show me what you got. 04:27.309 --> 04:27.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Figure it out. 04:28.389 --> 04:31.912 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, prove me right, prove me wrong, make opening day March 29. 04:32.113 --> 04:32.413 [SPEAKER_00]: Do it. 04:32.513 --> 04:33.173 [SPEAKER_00]: I dare you. 04:34.174 --> 04:35.315 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you though. 04:35.836 --> 04:38.918 [SPEAKER_00]: The amount of theories that are going on behind the scenes right now. 04:40.460 --> 04:42.902 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been enough to make my head spin this week. 04:42.962 --> 04:44.163 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say that. 04:44.203 --> 04:48.647 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of, and what pass and said about possible Donald Trump involvement. 04:49.207 --> 04:51.129 [SPEAKER_00]: I've referred it to this week. 04:51.750 --> 04:54.713 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I'm not going to get into that game. 04:54.753 --> 05:02.262 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a long, long winding road, but this negotiation could take a bunch of different turns here for sure. 05:03.152 --> 05:09.778 [SPEAKER_01]: if that will not say anything other than if that is one of the directs that it takes, it's not going to be a struggle to find content this off season. 05:10.078 --> 05:14.022 [SPEAKER_00]: And the same way the people are going to be worried about. 05:14.062 --> 05:15.063 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to be slow. 05:15.083 --> 05:15.623 [SPEAKER_01]: We're boring. 05:15.723 --> 05:17.585 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so I think it'll be interesting. 05:17.865 --> 05:19.426 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's going to be very interesting. 05:19.446 --> 05:24.471 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be we might have to head extra the entire thing, but we're going to have content throughout it. 05:24.491 --> 05:26.693 [SPEAKER_00]: That is I feel very confident about that. 05:27.533 --> 05:33.434 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of headaches, Elia Ramos and Luis Garcia Jr. of the Yankees aren't hitting, no. 05:33.634 --> 05:35.674 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not as bad as a potential lockout. 05:35.694 --> 05:46.936 [SPEAKER_01]: But if we're talking about trade deadlines that I think teams wish would have gone differently, potential doovers, Garcia very controllable, moving into the future at Ramos, or no. 05:46.956 --> 05:48.337 [SPEAKER_01]: So Garcia only has next year. 05:48.637 --> 05:50.777 [SPEAKER_01]: Ramos is extremely controllable. 05:50.837 --> 05:55.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Ramos has been a bigger slog for the Yankees, but he's also been shoved into 05:56.058 --> 05:57.439 [SPEAKER_01]: duties that he shouldn't have. 05:57.519 --> 05:58.760 [SPEAKER_01]: He's playing every day. 05:58.860 --> 05:59.781 [SPEAKER_01]: He's batting forth. 05:59.821 --> 06:01.883 [SPEAKER_01]: He is not being usable to an advantage. 06:02.163 --> 06:08.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Without Cody Belinger, he has not been able to be used as a part-time as an interesting spice. 06:08.128 --> 06:09.429 [SPEAKER_01]: He's had to carry the whole package. 06:09.769 --> 06:10.290 [SPEAKER_01]: Any hasn't. 06:10.510 --> 06:13.753 [SPEAKER_01]: This team just has not hit since Aaron Judge went down for months. 06:13.993 --> 06:15.954 [SPEAKER_01]: The tradeout line did not change that. 06:16.195 --> 06:18.557 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not being used the way that they probably intended to. 06:19.237 --> 06:24.281 [SPEAKER_01]: if they play the Red Sox in the playoffs and they've got all those lefties, suddenly Roblo's becomes a whole lot more important. 06:24.702 --> 06:26.583 [SPEAKER_01]: At this moment, he's been a hindrance. 06:26.643 --> 06:27.964 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, that could change. 06:28.545 --> 06:34.570 [SPEAKER_01]: I am bullish on Belinger's return, helping Ramos, specifically, but also helping take some of the pressure off Garcia. 06:34.870 --> 06:37.993 [SPEAKER_01]: But the clock is ticking and the spotlight is always on the Yankees. 06:38.453 --> 06:39.074 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think 06:39.694 --> 06:52.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Coming off a strong series in Baltimore, first great road series they've had in a while, and some offense in the finale, with the pitching they have, do you think this offense at least has a level to go up down the stretch? 06:52.183 --> 06:58.167 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about elite offense, but I'm talking about even average would give them a lot to play with. 06:58.187 --> 07:05.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that this is going to be looked at as a trade deadline, Doug, or become closer to the middle ground here, and eventually it's a little more workable? 07:06.725 --> 07:21.513 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think it is going to get better from here, and I think Garcia is going to be better, and I think Ballinger is returning is going to help Plenty, and they're going to continue to get reinforcements, hopefully down the line here, depends on what Aaron Judge necessarily looks like down the stretch here. 07:22.654 --> 07:29.738 [SPEAKER_00]: But the one player that I'm not overly optimistic about is Ramos, he's a very, 07:30.578 --> 07:35.021 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's a tough player to get a read on and I know there was some people who watched the giants. 07:35.802 --> 07:38.704 [SPEAKER_00]: My dad in particular who was very excited to see him go. 07:39.625 --> 07:49.893 [SPEAKER_00]: He was not necessarily the biggest fan of his and especially on the defensive side and offensively how he started in New York was a complete disaster. 07:50.053 --> 07:54.897 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he started what was the over 23 and then had that the run of first 07:55.960 --> 08:00.583 [SPEAKER_00]: basically have fasted down the first baseline, got thrown out just by the shortstop bubbling it. 08:00.963 --> 08:02.304 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's going to get better. 08:02.544 --> 08:09.489 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it has gotten better, but I'm not not only sure exactly what he's going to be able to provide. 08:09.509 --> 08:12.050 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a really strong deal overall by the giants. 08:12.851 --> 08:15.112 [SPEAKER_00]: Second consecutive season, they've had a very good deal. 08:15.673 --> 08:20.816 [SPEAKER_00]: At least early on, with the Yankees, the devoltrade was a complete disaster from the Yankees' perspective. 08:21.420 --> 08:30.107 [SPEAKER_00]: Ramos is going to be better than that, but I'm not necessarily sure how much of an impact or if you can even have a big impact in the Bronx. 08:30.167 --> 08:31.148 [SPEAKER_00]: I could be totally wrong. 08:31.529 --> 08:36.313 [SPEAKER_00]: But I do think Luis Garcia Jr is going to be a guy who fits perfectly there. 08:36.413 --> 08:39.555 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a great fit for that ballpark there. 08:39.996 --> 08:44.580 [SPEAKER_00]: I know his slugging percentages down since he's been acquired, but he's going to be better. 08:45.000 --> 08:47.362 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that basket of play perfectly, and I think he's 08:48.803 --> 08:59.209 [SPEAKER_00]: if the Yankees' offense becomes like it takes the next step, I think we're going to be talking about obviously the return of Ballinger, but I also think Louis Garcia Jr. is going to be a big reason why. 09:00.105 --> 09:05.511 [SPEAKER_01]: 42 and five this year per Jack Curry when the 80's hit or home runs in a game. 09:05.951 --> 09:06.792 [SPEAKER_01]: That is normal. 09:07.112 --> 09:08.273 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not three or more. 09:08.333 --> 09:09.575 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not four or more. 09:09.635 --> 09:11.036 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just a couple of homers. 09:11.136 --> 09:14.700 [SPEAKER_01]: So if they can get that power back, they may be dangerous again. 09:14.860 --> 09:17.483 [SPEAKER_01]: As of now, they are barely trending water. 09:17.583 --> 09:21.006 [SPEAKER_01]: Although it's series in Baltimore, the former home of Adley Retchman. 09:21.627 --> 09:23.808 [SPEAKER_01]: The egg you didn't get there catch or the Red Sox did. 09:23.868 --> 09:27.750 [SPEAKER_01]: They pay the the necessary indivision tax for Adley Ruchman. 09:28.230 --> 09:31.492 [SPEAKER_01]: The Tampa Bay raise walls and needed catching help go in a different direction. 09:31.532 --> 09:34.173 [SPEAKER_01]: They grab Liam Hicks from Miami. 09:34.273 --> 09:35.954 [SPEAKER_01]: That's something we're going to look at for the rest of you. 09:36.274 --> 09:38.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Ruchman is someone I know Boston fans believe in. 09:39.415 --> 09:42.457 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that even at his worst, he is sturdy. 09:42.957 --> 09:48.699 [SPEAKER_01]: But the start he's gotten into other than the one home run against Arizona this week has not been up to the par. 09:48.719 --> 09:59.283 [SPEAKER_01]: They were expecting in 13 games at Tampa Bay, Liam Hicks already worth half-war, two homers, nine RBI, 293 with a 944 OPS, 165 OPS plus in the small sample. 10:00.018 --> 10:08.130 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be comparing those guys directly and we are also going to be comparing both of them to the Yankees vacancy so you can throw Austin Wells in the mix too. 10:08.490 --> 10:14.038 [SPEAKER_01]: How much faith do you have though in rush bin returning to form making this a little bit of a closer call? 10:14.563 --> 10:22.945 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's going to be going to improve from this because he's not going to be hitting under 200 this entire way here in Boston. 10:23.005 --> 10:24.245 [SPEAKER_00]: I just cannot see that happening. 10:24.805 --> 10:27.326 [SPEAKER_00]: He's two talented or two talented of a guy. 10:27.726 --> 10:32.827 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also think one of the things we have to keep in mind here is he's learning an entirely new pitching staff. 10:33.127 --> 10:37.288 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also coming back and it takes a while to adjust. 10:37.588 --> 10:42.069 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is an adjustment carry for him and he's a new surroundings here as well. 10:44.890 --> 10:47.051 [SPEAKER_00]: came up with in the in Major League baseball. 10:47.631 --> 10:59.916 [SPEAKER_00]: He was trained to watch his movie theater as he was watching a movie or he was about to go see a movie with a bunch of his teammates and like the human aspect of that I think is a legit thing but the talent is gonna trump it all. 11:00.497 --> 11:10.240 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a guy who I think is going to be just fine but it's gonna take an acclamation period here for sure so I recommend being patient if I was the boss and Red Sox fan. 11:11.761 --> 11:30.080 [SPEAKER_00]: although I get the urgency from their perspective because this season has gone for being lost to now oh crap like we actually can like legit content in this thing and they like that front office when they went on got out of the arrangement was them trying to not only go all in for this season but for next season as well when he's going to be signed so 11:30.560 --> 11:38.566 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just a rental, so that's good news for the Red Sox here, but they need him to be meaningfully better for them to actually take the next step. 11:38.886 --> 11:42.349 [SPEAKER_00]: As far as Liam Hicks goes, want to start for him a Tampa Bay. 11:42.469 --> 11:43.610 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been remarkable. 11:43.670 --> 11:51.656 [SPEAKER_00]: I was a great pivot here by Eric Neander and that front office because it seemed like Ryan Jeffers was the guy who they really liked. 11:51.976 --> 11:53.177 [SPEAKER_00]: That the Yankees really liked. 11:53.397 --> 11:56.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously he ended up staying put, but the fact that he went on 11:59.582 --> 12:14.191 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that was good maneuvering by him for sure, but another thing I need to clarify here is because we've been talking about how the Yankees did not go out and get a Tyler Stevenson type or anything like that. 12:15.151 --> 12:21.175 [SPEAKER_00]: I will defend the Yankees and I'll defend the other teams that did not go out and get a catcher looking at you Chicago White Sox here as well. 12:22.215 --> 12:24.757 [SPEAKER_00]: The price for Tyler Stevenson was so high. 12:25.897 --> 12:30.542 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not have touched it if I was a teammate or they were asking for too much. 12:30.962 --> 12:39.531 [SPEAKER_00]: It was never realistic and I know there's a bunch of people across baseball who were kind of scratching their heads wondering what exactly since they had it doing because the price was just far too high. 12:41.572 --> 12:53.556 [SPEAKER_01]: However, if the eggs do need that secondary rady catcher, EI Morgan, and they didn't go out at the deadline to get a picture for the bullpen either, so they're relying on Luis Hiel, Clarks bit, signed EI Morgan today to a minor league deal. 12:53.916 --> 12:55.396 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the direction they would like to go. 12:55.416 --> 13:02.038 [SPEAKER_01]: We will see, again, the standings will judge you, and it's not the run differential game and it's wins and losses. 13:02.098 --> 13:04.279 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's see how this all sorts itself out. 13:04.339 --> 13:07.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, by the way, just talking about control and 13:10.401 --> 13:15.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's a prime candidate for that pre December pre lockout November extension friends. 13:15.762 --> 13:18.603 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's a crazy thing to say, but he feels like a nice fit there. 13:18.983 --> 13:20.064 [SPEAKER_00]: He feels like a great fit. 13:20.324 --> 13:28.446 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something that they should absolutely explore, especially for the Red Sox because you went out and you gave up the amount of prospect capital that you did. 13:29.246 --> 13:38.593 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a player, obviously, you have high hopes for, but you also don't want to be sacrificing that many assets for a year and a half of a guy before because of free agent. 13:38.633 --> 13:41.936 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I think that's something that they should absolutely explore. 13:43.036 --> 13:55.485 [SPEAKER_00]: They are very comfortable with the player, but they're going to have to figure out, are as menacles going to check out in the long haul, or is he going to be a guy who is going to fit in the clubhouse and by all indications, yes, he fits in quite well there. 13:57.134 --> 14:00.075 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't he's he's not represented by Scott Boris. 14:00.255 --> 14:03.636 [SPEAKER_00]: So that should definitely help out the cases for a potential extension. 14:03.996 --> 14:06.757 [SPEAKER_00]: I know there's been some talk of it going on going around online right now. 14:07.657 --> 14:11.618 [SPEAKER_00]: But as of this point, I'm not aware of any talks that are currently happening. 14:11.918 --> 14:17.720 [SPEAKER_00]: But I wouldn't be pretty surprised if such a conversation didn't happen before before the lockout happened. 14:18.717 --> 14:28.662 [SPEAKER_01]: Real quick, obviously, this is not every Red Sox fans cross to bear, but a surprise surprise I'm calling out Red Sox fans this week, whoever boot Wilson contraris is an idiot. 14:28.702 --> 14:31.023 [SPEAKER_01]: It's now happened twice in two weeks. 14:31.483 --> 14:44.949 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing for lack for perceived lack of hustle for a banged up dude battling concussion symptoms and who knows what else and leg stuff and just didn't run hard enough on a ground out in an extra eating loss, whoever's responsible for that. 14:45.309 --> 14:51.034 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there was a clip of him getting them kicked out of Fenway after the game, like pointing out security and telling them it was those dudes. 14:51.234 --> 14:52.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Good, those people should not come back. 14:52.755 --> 14:53.776 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an insane thing to do. 14:53.996 --> 14:54.676 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lie to say. 14:54.977 --> 14:56.698 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I totally agree. 14:57.098 --> 14:58.179 [SPEAKER_00]: He's had a career year. 14:58.599 --> 14:59.680 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been phenomenal. 14:59.740 --> 15:04.144 [SPEAKER_00]: And when they ended up making that trade in the offseason, I was kind of skeptical with it, too. 15:04.204 --> 15:06.646 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought his best days may be behind him. 15:06.826 --> 15:08.387 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet, he went on here. 15:08.407 --> 15:09.968 [SPEAKER_00]: It has had just a phenomenal season. 15:10.348 --> 15:11.369 [SPEAKER_00]: As you said, he's playing hurt. 15:12.410 --> 15:20.796 [SPEAKER_00]: And I get he's not the most popular guy if you're a rival team, but don't go boo in your your star player here who's clearly playing through stuff. 15:21.276 --> 15:27.701 [SPEAKER_00]: Can the cushion like symptoms, it just, I don't know, that just that felt totally inappropriate there don't boo him. 15:28.301 --> 15:29.462 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to be better than that. 15:30.043 --> 15:32.084 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I love the Red Sox. 15:32.164 --> 15:35.927 [SPEAKER_00]: I love the Red Sox fans I know that's probably not the most popular thing to say in front of you. 15:35.967 --> 15:39.530 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a Beauty Yankees guy, but yeah, I don't know. 15:39.610 --> 15:41.572 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just that rubbed me the wrong way. 15:41.612 --> 15:45.635 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like that very much Yeah, there's a little hypocrisy there for me. 15:45.695 --> 15:46.395 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think like 15:47.298 --> 16:02.464 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... road fans going with a terrorist of course he's an agitator home fans doing it that's insane i think we're at sox fans by large great passionate fans they go ever responsible for that uh... those people are are more ons uh... anyway uh... look 16:03.224 --> 16:06.786 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to, again, small sample, it's hard to say, this is a flop, this didn't work. 16:06.866 --> 16:09.487 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to call the tires a trade deadline. 16:09.507 --> 16:17.090 [SPEAKER_01]: Slash also offseason flop for not addressing the bull panacquitly when they could certainly midseason, they sort of, they pivoted to selling. 16:17.150 --> 16:19.251 [SPEAKER_01]: They sell tariff school, they sell kzmize. 16:19.711 --> 16:23.732 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be hard to expect them to also pair that with a pretty important bull panacquisition. 16:23.892 --> 16:24.053 [SPEAKER_01]: But, 16:25.253 --> 16:28.274 [SPEAKER_01]: Kenley Janssen has given up five homers in the 90s. 16:28.314 --> 16:35.397 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been walked off more than any other reliever this year by four home runs, 19 losses and leading in the seventh inning or later. 16:35.977 --> 16:39.699 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Tigers bullpen Kyle Finnegan has been a mess there. 16:39.819 --> 16:41.619 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to say that there could be a worse bullpen. 16:41.639 --> 16:41.959 [SPEAKER_01]: It may as well. 16:41.999 --> 16:42.820 [SPEAKER_01]: And you think about 16:43.900 --> 16:54.642 [SPEAKER_01]: how the run differential can be so strong and the record can be so weak, it boils down to, I mean, school injury and disaster bullpen is really all you need to say about that. 16:55.042 --> 17:01.203 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I understand it's hard to say, hey, you just sold those two starters and also reinforce the bullpen at the same time. 17:01.223 --> 17:06.244 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess kick it to the offseason, but I'm going to call them out for being a flop for not addressing that properly. 17:06.284 --> 17:07.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Got us to where we were. 17:07.464 --> 17:09.845 [SPEAKER_01]: It got us to purgatory where you have to decide, 17:10.245 --> 17:15.490 [SPEAKER_01]: We're on the edges of the race, but I think we should get rid of our ace anyway, instead of just going all in for one more year. 17:16.031 --> 17:24.619 [SPEAKER_01]: And the school will trade the packages intriguing a little light about where you can expect for a rental no matter how powerful the rental. 17:25.580 --> 17:28.183 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're right on the periphery of the playoff race. 17:28.603 --> 17:33.068 [SPEAKER_01]: And because of this bad bullpen, if they make it, they're not going to have tariff school. 17:34.096 --> 17:36.898 [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're spot on with everything you just set there. 17:37.058 --> 17:40.960 [SPEAKER_00]: And the trade at mine, like, I thought they did well there. 17:41.200 --> 17:44.462 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they got what they wanted for school. 17:44.963 --> 17:46.764 [SPEAKER_00]: They got what they wanted for Casey Mies. 17:47.404 --> 17:56.189 [SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, like, if you train both of those guys, how realistic is it for you to go out in genuinely compete in the American League this season? 17:56.209 --> 17:58.951 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they otherwise, I'm going on competing. 17:59.571 --> 18:01.793 [SPEAKER_00]: And it just, it kind of felt like, 18:03.010 --> 18:05.474 [SPEAKER_00]: half ass sell is probably not the best phrasing for it. 18:05.874 --> 18:12.845 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going to sell like that, you should go all in and just and realize, hey, we can probably get some some good value for some of these other pieces here. 18:13.225 --> 18:16.109 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like glamour tours and I made a lot of sense as far as that goes. 18:16.470 --> 18:17.932 [SPEAKER_00]: But can the Jensen, as you said, 18:18.782 --> 18:44.535 [SPEAKER_00]: He would have been a really strong option because there was a bunch of teams that were looking for that high end or high leverage guy in the ninth inning or in the late innings and he would have fit that bill really well and they could have gotten some nice value in or turned form instead they held on to him and it just has not worked out here whatsoever and he's as he said he's been blowing saves here left and right and it's just been a real bad stretch here overall for Camille Jansen but 18:45.435 --> 18:52.342 [SPEAKER_00]: The taggers, they should have moved Jensen because I think there would have been a bunch of teams out of them in the mix there for sure. 18:52.902 --> 19:05.534 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, like, my first thought was possibly the Los Angeles Dodgers considering just, I mean, they're, they're love for friendly, but I don't think that was ever discussed or considered by, by the Dodgers, I mean, who knows maybe could have been part of the school. 19:05.774 --> 19:07.576 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just my own spec, I have no idea. 19:09.208 --> 19:16.171 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, those two guys in hindsight and shoot even in the moment, like those were players that we discussed for relatively heavily on this show. 19:16.772 --> 19:18.553 [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that they should have moved. 19:18.733 --> 19:27.537 [SPEAKER_00]: So that felt like a missed opportunity because they could have further stockpiled their farm system there and Detroit, but especially with a guy like, with a special with a guy like Camille Johnson. 19:28.496 --> 19:31.158 [SPEAKER_01]: I would agree, and this deviates from the flopster. 19:31.178 --> 19:44.586 [SPEAKER_01]: I have two more teams I want to take to task, and these are trade deadline deals that I really liked, but you can't say they've worked because the teams are falling further and further out of the playoff race, but one team that sold, again, like the tires that is directly in the mix. 19:45.186 --> 19:54.994 [SPEAKER_01]: and potentially even the favorite to win that final wildcard spot in the American League right now are the jays who I guess Jose Soriana was not just a 2027 and beyond addition. 19:55.134 --> 19:57.116 [SPEAKER_01]: It would seem you lose Kevin Gosman. 19:57.136 --> 19:59.397 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a heart and soul of the team kind of guy. 19:59.457 --> 19:59.998 [SPEAKER_01]: That's taking a 20:00.218 --> 20:00.498 [SPEAKER_01]: real. 20:00.758 --> 20:04.659 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's like Dutchman leaving Baltimore and then getting into the race, which also happened. 20:04.979 --> 20:07.320 [SPEAKER_01]: God's been leaving Toronto and then they vault forward. 20:07.560 --> 20:10.121 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think was on many people's radar, but here they are. 20:10.561 --> 20:12.101 [SPEAKER_01]: So who is more likely to make the A.L. 20:12.141 --> 20:17.563 [SPEAKER_01]: playoffs in your eyes, the Jay's who gave up for the Tigers who also gave up. 20:18.233 --> 20:20.013 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's the chase for you for sure. 20:20.434 --> 20:21.234 [SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely do. 20:21.414 --> 20:25.315 [SPEAKER_00]: And the five of us are better in Toronto right now. 20:25.495 --> 20:29.716 [SPEAKER_00]: And they have the postseason experience from last year. 20:29.916 --> 20:38.458 [SPEAKER_00]: And they also have, I think the chip on their shoulder to go out and try to write what happened, or write the wrong for what happened last year. 20:38.538 --> 20:41.919 [SPEAKER_00]: And it got off to a really rocky start, but they bounce back here. 20:41.939 --> 20:43.959 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think John Schneider has done a terrific job. 20:44.439 --> 20:49.722 [SPEAKER_00]: in Toronto, and it shows exactly why they gave him that extension before the season started here. 20:50.142 --> 20:53.164 [SPEAKER_00]: And they obviously, they sold off of the deadline. 20:53.364 --> 20:53.844 [SPEAKER_00]: They moved. 20:55.517 --> 21:21.239 [SPEAKER_00]: the move Jeff Hoffman who's been actually quite good in Minnesota and I was that was something that people across baseball and I were talking about before the deadline is Hoffman like you look at his overall numbers like not overly inspiring but if you look like dive deeper and you look at like his fit and that's some of the other things there's a lot better they indicated that he was a much better pitcher than what is the RA would indicate so far that's been a really nice addition there but Kevin Gossman I 21:22.998 --> 21:31.843 [SPEAKER_00]: with the Cubs, but that was a very tough gap in the part with, but they moved out from some of these guys, but they kept guys like Matt Scherzer, kept some of these other players here as well. 21:32.844 --> 21:39.948 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not running out of the J is at all, and not only do I think that they could make it, they might be able to make a splash here, so keep an eye on Toronto for sure. 21:42.730 --> 21:43.851 [SPEAKER_01]: You can make a splash. 21:44.051 --> 22:00.281 [SPEAKER_01]: I am 100% aligned with you these two these two final flops are just like It's sort of like you feel like you're yelling at the universe like what more do you need for us to do these are these are teams that went for it and teams at the edges Where I would say I was even I came away from the deadline haul impressed. 22:00.702 --> 22:01.662 [SPEAKER_01]: I like the guardians. 22:01.742 --> 22:02.583 [SPEAKER_01]: I liked what they did 22:03.063 --> 22:04.764 [SPEAKER_01]: I liked Foster Griffin, a ton. 22:04.944 --> 22:07.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe Adele fits their look for Apple power forever. 22:07.405 --> 22:12.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Yours, Joe Adele, Nathaniel Lowes one of the highest performing bats who change hands in the train deadline. 22:12.507 --> 22:19.449 [SPEAKER_01]: Small deal and he's actually performing well above the level they probably expected and still they are falling further and further behind. 22:19.709 --> 22:24.491 [SPEAKER_01]: And the pirates, where you've had their entire bullpen, bring in Luke Weaver who basically doesn't pitch for a week and a half. 22:24.831 --> 22:26.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Somehow both teams have progressed. 22:26.512 --> 22:28.273 [SPEAKER_01]: since making smart adjustments. 22:28.313 --> 22:31.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Connor Griffin's coming back for Pittsburgh, Ryan or her and things he is too. 22:32.274 --> 22:33.335 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it too little to late? 22:33.675 --> 22:34.275 [SPEAKER_01]: It may be. 22:34.615 --> 22:35.695 [SPEAKER_01]: The guardians are right there. 22:35.835 --> 22:38.656 [SPEAKER_01]: They're right there with the tigers and the orals and that whole cluster. 22:38.696 --> 22:41.177 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're far from eliminated from the postseason. 22:41.617 --> 22:47.460 [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought both would leap forward and they've both either continue to touch through the mud or taking a step back. 22:47.520 --> 22:48.380 [SPEAKER_01]: And that bumps me out. 22:48.400 --> 22:50.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, I not only liked that they were active. 22:51.021 --> 22:54.102 [SPEAKER_01]: I liked both deadlines and they have both been deadline flopped so far. 22:54.518 --> 23:03.120 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they have, and that's really unfortunate, because we applauded both of those teams after the deadline for being super aggressive, because that just does not happen for either of these teams. 23:03.160 --> 23:09.961 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at the Guardians, Joe and Dell, that home Ronnie hit recently, what an absolute monster that was incredible. 23:10.241 --> 23:11.821 [SPEAKER_00]: Foster Griffin's continued doing this thing. 23:11.841 --> 23:15.502 [SPEAKER_00]: I know it started a little bit rocky there, and it's first dining, but he's been good. 23:16.062 --> 23:22.183 [SPEAKER_00]: Nathaniel Lousen, basically, the deadline under the radar acquisition of the entire year so far, 23:23.810 --> 23:25.151 [SPEAKER_00]: I do think they're going to be better. 23:25.671 --> 23:29.334 [SPEAKER_00]: I do, but this has been a rocky start year for sure. 23:29.374 --> 23:43.684 [SPEAKER_00]: As far as the pirates go, if you listen to this show, and if you listen to me in the discord, and me in the subtext, which again, join both, you will not regret it, you would have known, it was bullpen, bullpen, bullpen, and bullpen for the pirates. 23:43.824 --> 23:45.205 [SPEAKER_00]: I was adamant about that. 23:45.605 --> 23:49.708 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't expect to go on that many relievers though, but they overall they're bullpen. 23:50.691 --> 23:51.631 [SPEAKER_00]: They added some guys late. 23:51.651 --> 24:09.738 [SPEAKER_00]: They had curviates at the buzzer and there was a bunch of other teams that are competing for them and they were super excited about that, but it has been It's been a a slug fest ever since they've really struggled here, but there are optimism internally is because they have some of these guys as you said or turning from the injuries here, so 24:10.859 --> 24:14.384 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not ruling them out, but they have some work to do here. 24:14.424 --> 24:18.349 [SPEAKER_00]: And if they make the postseason, that's a really, really good thing. 24:18.469 --> 24:21.132 [SPEAKER_00]: It's something that I think both of us expect to go into the year. 24:21.172 --> 24:23.696 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that should change despite some of these injuries. 24:24.116 --> 24:25.538 [SPEAKER_00]: But if they do miss the postseason, 24:26.920 --> 24:32.588 [SPEAKER_00]: They need to go on and continue to add more in the office, because a near playoff birth should not be enough. 24:32.648 --> 24:42.021 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that they would think would be enough, but I would expect them to try to go on ad before the lockout here is, it says it takes place once the CBA expires. 24:42.678 --> 24:43.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the clock is ticking. 24:43.799 --> 24:45.140 [SPEAKER_01]: There is too much talent there. 24:45.200 --> 24:46.561 [SPEAKER_01]: We did book predict playoffs. 24:46.581 --> 24:49.703 [SPEAKER_01]: We both look like we're going to be wrong by a sliver, but there is still time. 24:50.624 --> 24:53.066 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's still time to play the time 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both. 25:18.806 --> 25:21.028 [SPEAKER_01]: And guess what, they were, they nailed it. 25:21.128 --> 25:23.009 [SPEAKER_01]: We thought, but guess what, we're still here. 25:23.129 --> 25:24.591 [SPEAKER_01]: They're moving further and further out of the play. 25:24.611 --> 25:26.893 [SPEAKER_01]: I've picture also fun stuff coming up. 25:26.953 --> 25:31.076 [SPEAKER_01]: Robertspiece on fancite.com about the potential lockouts and areas. 25:31.737 --> 25:37.542 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got an interview and a segment I produced with OGN and OBE of the next hit and fan sighted's YouTube channel. 25:37.602 --> 25:38.723 [SPEAKER_01]: Today is smoked. 25:39.203 --> 25:55.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Talking to him was as like hey, I'd love to meet my heroes some day and it was only a couple months after the final buzzer Or the final so how about that would love to you check that out and let me know and the segment we do with him is pretty fun So stay tuned to fan side of YouTube Robert I'll see you next week. 25:55.038 --> 25:56.600 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back here on Monday with another show 25:57.195 --> 25:58.035 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how it's good to me. 25:58.095 --> 26:00.116 [SPEAKER_00]: It's falling back by the sneeze, the entire show. 26:00.356 --> 26:02.577 [SPEAKER_00]: But we made it through and good news everybody. 26:02.617 --> 26:05.297 [SPEAKER_00]: I found out during the show that my story is posted. 26:05.317 --> 26:06.338 [SPEAKER_00]: So go check it out there. 26:06.378 --> 26:07.738 [SPEAKER_00]: But Adam, I appreciate you. 26:07.818 --> 26:10.139 [SPEAKER_00]: Joe and our lovely producer appreciate you. 26:10.199 --> 26:11.719 [SPEAKER_00]: See you back here on Monday. 26:11.739 --> 26:12.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Take care everybody. 26:13.219 --> 26:13.960 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 26:14.260 --> 26:14.780 [SPEAKER_00]: Peace out y'all.