WEBVTT 00:00.451 --> 00:03.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine driving down a deserted back road at three o'clock in the morning. 00:04.113 --> 00:06.874 [SPEAKER_01]: No traffic, no houses, just darkness. 00:07.474 --> 00:09.234 [SPEAKER_01]: Then something lifts out of a cornfield. 00:09.835 --> 00:11.295 [SPEAKER_01]: At first you think it's a pickup truck. 00:11.715 --> 00:12.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Then maybe a helicopter. 00:13.396 --> 00:14.756 [SPEAKER_01]: But helicopter makes noise. 00:15.297 --> 00:16.597 [SPEAKER_01]: This is completely silent. 00:17.357 --> 00:19.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Next thing you remember, you're sitting a mile down the road. 00:20.279 --> 00:21.079 [SPEAKER_01]: The car is dead. 00:21.719 --> 00:23.920 [SPEAKER_01]: The windows you know you rolled up are wide open. 00:24.280 --> 00:25.320 [SPEAKER_01]: And the doors are unlocked. 00:25.941 --> 00:28.922 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you look over at your friend, his eyes are glowing orange. 00:29.662 --> 00:35.084 [SPEAKER_01]: That alone would make this one of the most strangest UFO cases in American history, but that's only the beginning. 00:35.864 --> 00:47.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Because what follows was missing time, strange illnesses, an alleged alien abduction, and it also led investigators straight into what many considered the single most terrifying men in black and counter ever documented. 00:48.487 --> 00:50.348 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the David Stevens abduction. 01:03.088 --> 01:10.020 [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching. 02:00.434 --> 02:02.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the Hollis guy podcast. 02:02.276 --> 02:02.896 [SPEAKER_01]: We are your host. 02:03.056 --> 02:06.199 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Stephen and go and it's Monday, holocult. 02:07.200 --> 02:07.921 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back. 02:08.681 --> 02:11.524 [SPEAKER_01]: You've chosen us to hang out with you to get you through the work week. 02:12.364 --> 02:13.926 [SPEAKER_01]: And for that, we are forever grateful. 02:14.787 --> 02:18.250 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05:29.904 --> 05:32.225 [SPEAKER_01]: And just like that, we are back. 05:33.565 --> 05:34.506 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, weirdos. 05:35.286 --> 05:36.106 [SPEAKER_01]: Glad to have you here. 05:36.867 --> 05:37.927 [SPEAKER_01]: Glad you're kicking it with us. 05:40.249 --> 05:43.090 [SPEAKER_01]: Drug us right back into UFO abduction territory. 05:43.511 --> 05:47.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Which we got a little break from last week with the Lake Worth Monster encounter. 05:48.593 --> 05:51.435 [SPEAKER_01]: But I said, ah, ah, we're back in it. 05:51.535 --> 05:52.035 [SPEAKER_00]: Got to go. 05:52.376 --> 05:53.656 [SPEAKER_01]: We're back in it too, though. 05:54.597 --> 05:58.459 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot believe that this UFO case is not more, 06:01.148 --> 06:04.011 [SPEAKER_01]: prevalent in ufology. 06:05.073 --> 06:15.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Because as I said in the intro, it's linked to one of the craziest min and black encounters that's ever been recorded. 06:16.330 --> 06:18.050 [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of time it's just overlooked. 06:18.571 --> 06:34.034 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited for it because the man that interacted with the men in black usually when I go when you go into looking at his encounter, it just says he was investigating a UFO abduction. 06:34.354 --> 06:34.774 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 06:35.975 --> 06:37.455 [SPEAKER_01]: But this is that abduction. 06:38.708 --> 06:51.612 [SPEAKER_01]: So, for the abduction, a source I used was from the principal investigator named Brent Rains, who interviewed the abductees the day after their abduction. 06:52.312 --> 07:03.475 [SPEAKER_01]: It was all gathered in an article that was written in July 1976 called the twilight side of UFO encounter. 07:04.467 --> 07:11.929 [SPEAKER_01]: I was published in the number two flying saucer investigator, which is where a lot of this information about the abduction comes from. 07:11.949 --> 07:17.390 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the sources you'll find all reference this particular piece of material. 07:17.930 --> 07:25.691 [SPEAKER_01]: According to Reigns, he arrived at the home of the parents of David Stevens at 945 PM on October 28th, 1975. 07:26.171 --> 07:30.632 [SPEAKER_01]: This is one day after the reported event, which is said to have taken place between 3am 07:35.414 --> 07:48.101 [SPEAKER_01]: Rain City set up as tape recorder, interviewed Stevens for an hour, before they were joined by Gray, who helped fill in the details, the following is a story that came out as described by Reigns. 07:50.009 --> 08:11.029 [SPEAKER_01]: David Steven and Glenn Gray, 21 and 18 respectively, shared a trailer together in Norway main, where they both worked late shifts and spent most of their evenings hanging out late into the night, just chilling, watching TV, drinking, listening to music, which is exactly what they were doing on October 27, 1975. 08:13.111 --> 08:19.795 [SPEAKER_01]: They were relaxing in their shared trailer around 3 a.m. listening to music when they heard a sound what they described as an explosion. 08:20.676 --> 08:35.645 [SPEAKER_01]: They went outside saw nothing out of the ordinary, but as they were standing there, Steven says nice out maybe we can go for a ride and check and see where the explosion came from maybe we'll, you know, we'll see something. 08:37.069 --> 08:46.015 [SPEAKER_01]: Gray abruptly suggests that they go to Lake Thompson, just out of nowhere, just kind of weird because it was kind of off the beaten path. 08:46.555 --> 08:48.276 [SPEAKER_01]: We just looked at him and said, let's go to Lake Thompson. 08:49.437 --> 08:52.298 [SPEAKER_01]: So Stevens was like, sure, let's do it. 08:53.139 --> 08:53.879 [SPEAKER_01]: So they get in. 08:54.159 --> 08:57.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Gray's 1971, Plymouth satellite, Gray driving. 08:57.802 --> 08:59.062 [SPEAKER_01]: They head south on Route 26. 09:00.912 --> 09:03.332 [SPEAKER_01]: They know make note that there is nobody else on the road that night. 09:03.492 --> 09:04.313 [SPEAKER_01]: It's three a.m. 09:05.033 --> 09:05.713 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just them. 09:05.733 --> 09:07.913 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just their headlights cutting through the darkness. 09:09.314 --> 09:17.835 [SPEAKER_01]: After about a mile, the car turned on to the back road, going to Oxford, completely of its own accord. 09:19.375 --> 09:26.857 [SPEAKER_01]: So as he was driving, it's like it led him that direction and they just went with it. 09:27.137 --> 09:27.637 [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird. 09:28.598 --> 09:36.402 [SPEAKER_01]: that particular stretch of road back then was very rough because they're kind of out in the middle of nowhere. 09:37.103 --> 09:46.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots, lots of woods, like some trees and stuff, but they said that night, the ride, they described the ride as unusually smooth. 09:47.308 --> 09:49.089 [SPEAKER_01]: Just strange because the terrain was rough on the 09:54.850 --> 10:00.871 [SPEAKER_01]: as they continued down the road, they were called seeing a herd of cattle and the field as they were passing by. 10:01.851 --> 10:10.573 [SPEAKER_01]: They said the cows were all laying down, but it was as if they were all looking directly at their car and shaking their head side to side in a strange emotion. 10:11.414 --> 10:17.255 [SPEAKER_01]: The way I pictured it into my head was them shaking their head at the car like you're not supposed to be here right now. 10:18.915 --> 10:19.955 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a good sign. 10:20.355 --> 10:21.676 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's very ominous. 10:21.976 --> 10:22.996 [SPEAKER_01]: The way that they described it. 10:24.797 --> 10:25.998 [SPEAKER_00]: it's not a good sign. 10:26.298 --> 10:30.300 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be, I would definitely be uncomfortable in that situation. 10:30.900 --> 10:32.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially cows telling me to get the whole out of there. 10:33.162 --> 10:33.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:34.182 --> 10:39.305 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never had a cow let it long a whole fleet of cows would be like, no, no. 10:39.705 --> 10:40.946 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a good idea, bud. 10:41.866 --> 10:42.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they heed the warning? 10:43.187 --> 10:43.848 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they did not. 10:43.928 --> 10:44.148 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 10:45.267 --> 10:58.759 [SPEAKER_01]: They passed the town of Oxford traveling down the east side of Lake Thompson where they passed a second or another cornfield and at the end of this cornfield they saw two lights shining out toward the road from their left. 10:59.579 --> 11:09.308 [SPEAKER_01]: They thought that they were seeing a truck headed toward them, which they made note of because it was the first vehicle that they thought they saw until it lifted up and began to rise out of the field. 11:10.668 --> 11:15.653 [SPEAKER_01]: Then their mind went to the next thing, which is like, all right, it's maybe it's a helicopter. 11:15.693 --> 11:20.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're doing some kind of maneuver's out in the middle of the field. 11:20.658 --> 11:24.061 [SPEAKER_01]: So they stopped their car, turn the motor off and roll their windows down. 11:25.062 --> 11:28.565 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't hear any sounds, which helicopters make noise. 11:28.585 --> 11:31.188 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you all know that or not. 11:31.268 --> 11:32.849 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they make it a little bit. 11:33.249 --> 11:33.510 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 11:34.558 --> 11:41.682 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're sitting there and they watched as the lights rise up out of the field, the tree top level, and start moving in the direction of their car. 11:42.622 --> 11:47.265 [SPEAKER_01]: They watch as it almost morphed into what they described as, quote, an elongated cylinder. 11:48.233 --> 11:58.497 [SPEAKER_01]: with the appearance of green blue and yellow lights all around it that went out as it just got above the tree line about 30, 20 to 30 feet from the car. 11:59.258 --> 12:01.919 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, the guys are getting spooked at what they're witnessing. 12:02.779 --> 12:09.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Gray re-starts the car and takes off as they start driving the men roll up the windows and lock the doors. 12:10.246 --> 12:12.889 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're thinking whatever's out there is not getting in here. 12:13.330 --> 12:20.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wouldn't feel too good about the evening to see this random light coming towards me. 12:20.959 --> 12:21.260 [SPEAKER_00]: Also. 12:23.043 --> 12:28.444 [SPEAKER_00]: How is find a weird, whenever UFOs have marker lights? 12:29.804 --> 12:30.904 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just weird. 12:31.185 --> 12:31.905 [SPEAKER_01]: It is strange. 12:32.585 --> 12:34.865 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just very, very weird to me for some reason. 12:34.905 --> 12:38.886 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know why it strikes me as weird. 12:38.926 --> 12:39.526 [SPEAKER_00]: It just does. 12:39.706 --> 12:45.307 [SPEAKER_01]: Every single time we hear it, like what do they need landing lights for? 12:45.427 --> 12:47.127 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just strange. 12:47.528 --> 12:49.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Unless they're trying to mimic planes. 12:50.361 --> 12:58.549 [SPEAKER_00]: There's that, and then I guess the possibility of on their home, wherever they need them to. 12:59.710 --> 13:00.871 [SPEAKER_01]: Air traffic controllers out there. 13:00.891 --> 13:01.792 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure they do. 13:02.192 --> 13:02.953 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it feels. 13:03.113 --> 13:03.313 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:04.054 --> 13:05.615 [SPEAKER_00]: Bring it in, bring it in. 13:06.816 --> 13:10.620 [SPEAKER_01]: So unfortunately for the duo, the objects started chasing them. 13:11.897 --> 13:22.006 [SPEAKER_01]: The next thing they were able to remember was finding themselves a mile down the road, and their car was at a full stop on the right side of the road. 13:22.026 --> 13:28.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on the right side of the road about a mile south of the cornfield. 13:30.333 --> 13:33.235 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is the picture them heading this way. 13:33.736 --> 13:38.380 [SPEAKER_01]: And next thing they remember there on the opposite side of the road heading back the other direction. 13:39.369 --> 13:39.929 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not good. 13:40.389 --> 13:41.510 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not good. 13:41.850 --> 13:42.910 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 13:43.050 --> 13:49.532 [SPEAKER_01]: As they snap back into it, Stephen said the craft at this point was shining quote, the brightest light I'd ever seen down on our car. 13:50.872 --> 13:54.513 [SPEAKER_01]: Their doors were also unlocked and their windows were rolled down. 13:55.593 --> 13:58.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Just they both remember locking them and rolling them up. 13:58.294 --> 13:58.874 [SPEAKER_00]: Not good. 13:59.194 --> 13:59.314 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 13:59.495 --> 14:05.596 [SPEAKER_00]: I think at that point, I would just, like if as you give me, I would just look at you and be like, oh man, this sucks. 14:06.016 --> 14:06.496 [UNKNOWN]: Damn it. 14:09.312 --> 14:15.076 [SPEAKER_01]: As they look at each other, they both noted that each other's eyes were orange and color. 14:15.517 --> 14:16.157 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fucked. 14:17.278 --> 14:17.658 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 14:19.600 --> 14:19.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 14:20.600 --> 14:24.864 [SPEAKER_01]: So they continued on driving south and the objects still steaming the east. 14:25.711 --> 14:27.771 [SPEAKER_01]: was no longer visible after about two miles. 14:28.312 --> 14:44.155 [SPEAKER_01]: They turned around and headed back at Stephen's suggestion, and then on quote and unexplained impulse, Gary turned onto a travel road and headed to a part of the lake known as Trip Pond on the east side of the southern end of Lake Thompson. 14:44.735 --> 14:52.577 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, they saw the object again, which appeared as a bright white light, hovering about 20 to 30 degrees above the horizon 14:55.858 --> 15:00.786 [SPEAKER_01]: as they see this, their motor stops and the radio dies. 15:02.368 --> 15:08.218 [SPEAKER_01]: So they sit there fighting to get the car started for an hour and a half. 15:08.578 --> 15:11.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Geez, they cannot get it to turn over. 15:11.425 --> 15:14.068 [SPEAKER_00]: I think after about 10 minutes, I gave up. 15:14.308 --> 15:17.071 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, yeah, just flag the UFO down, having pick you up. 15:17.491 --> 15:18.192 [SPEAKER_01]: Gotta get a jump. 15:19.133 --> 15:23.898 [SPEAKER_01]: The objects seem to move up and down, and then it rose about 80 degrees above the horizon and covered. 15:24.298 --> 15:25.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, 500 yards from the car. 15:27.409 --> 15:31.330 [SPEAKER_01]: stuck there and unable to get their car restarted for about after about 45 minutes. 15:31.410 --> 15:37.332 [SPEAKER_01]: Stephen and Grace saw two disc-shaped objects with red, green, and blue lights emerge. 15:37.832 --> 15:47.395 [SPEAKER_01]: They described them as being a quarter-assize of the original UFO-quote mothership that they called it, which they described as being as big as a football field. 15:47.816 --> 15:48.376 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus. 15:48.636 --> 15:51.477 [SPEAKER_01]: The disc put on a weird aerial display, 15:55.778 --> 16:17.901 [SPEAKER_01]: UFOs falling in they said a falling leaf motion coming down onto Lake Thompson almost as if it were going to go under the water but then skimming along the water and rising back up into the sky and a stair step pattern, switching directions as if it was going up a flight of stairs. 16:18.945 --> 16:25.427 [SPEAKER_01]: the men noticed a strange fog rising out of the pond described as gray and thick looking. 16:26.367 --> 16:39.232 [SPEAKER_01]: Rains points out that the men received that the men at this point were perceiving their surroundings differently from what they really were, where they were at was not, where they thought they were at. 16:43.644 --> 16:50.066 [SPEAKER_01]: crafts were manipulating the reality around them, or manipulating the reality that they were perceiving. 16:50.906 --> 16:55.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Rain said that Trip Pond was actually about a half a mile from their position. 16:56.248 --> 16:59.689 [SPEAKER_01]: They thought that they were only 20 to 50 feet away from it. 17:00.690 --> 17:07.452 [SPEAKER_01]: They described one section as it being like an ocean of water as far as they can see, which Lake Thompson is not like that. 17:08.555 --> 17:17.082 [SPEAKER_01]: They also said that there was an island that they saw in the middle of the pond that the disks would fly over. 17:17.982 --> 17:23.727 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at the pond at that particular time, there was no island in the pond. 17:24.648 --> 17:26.409 [SPEAKER_01]: There were just hills behind the pond. 17:26.969 --> 17:30.772 [SPEAKER_01]: So what they were perceiving was not reality. 17:33.274 --> 17:35.356 [SPEAKER_01]: The fog surrounded the car. 17:37.265 --> 17:51.647 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, the mothership at that point was the only craft that could be seen, gray and Steven's were able to start the car at about 630, and then they made it to Steven's house at 7. 17:53.014 --> 18:10.247 [SPEAKER_01]: While they'd planned to keep quiet about their experience, but then they were overcame by a strange variety of symptoms, including burning eyes, sore throats, the inability to speak coherently, lack of balance and coordination, chills, and difficulty breathing. 18:10.868 --> 18:15.412 [SPEAKER_01]: Strangely enough, their teeth had become sore and loose in their mouths. 18:16.503 --> 18:21.587 [SPEAKER_01]: Steven's noted that the minute a yellow discoloration around their eyes, the burn lasted for over three days. 18:22.227 --> 18:31.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Gray had a severe dry mouth and when he checked it out, he saw in the bathroom mirror that his tongue was cracked and covered with, quote, a scum that was brownish white. 18:33.316 --> 18:37.199 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this, are these all like symptoms of radiation poisoning? 18:37.319 --> 18:38.400 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's very similar. 18:38.624 --> 18:42.585 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think because I know like the tea thing is, yes, the symptom. 18:43.146 --> 18:47.167 [SPEAKER_00]: And I would imagine the possibility of like discoloration in the eyes and so on. 18:47.207 --> 18:48.267 [SPEAKER_01]: So burning eyes? 18:48.327 --> 18:49.448 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 18:49.468 --> 18:54.349 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it sounds like extreme radiation poisoning, which fucking is crazy. 18:54.389 --> 19:04.553 [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they were gone for what at best several hours to have this type of, because there's been other accounts such as Travis Walton. 19:05.887 --> 19:10.678 [SPEAKER_00]: who's missing for quite amount of time, I did not have the similar effects. 19:11.506 --> 19:22.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we cash land room where the women saw the UFO and they all got radiation like sickness was in a short period of time as well. 19:22.673 --> 19:35.341 [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird how in some stories you hear like this type of reaction to it and it almost makes you wonder is it the specific craft that was being used at the time is it you know what 19:36.802 --> 19:53.257 [SPEAKER_00]: What are the factors that surround certain UFO encounters that, you know, they like they induce radiation poisoning sickness in some of the abductees, whereas other ones they don't at all. 19:54.683 --> 19:55.504 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question. 19:55.984 --> 19:56.824 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question. 19:56.844 --> 20:03.669 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's so many, like you make it sit here and brainstorm probably the rest of the night on possibilities of what it could be. 20:05.250 --> 20:11.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's just so many factors that would come into play into a situation like that. 20:11.674 --> 20:14.916 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, it is interesting that some have it and some don't. 20:14.957 --> 20:15.777 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's weird. 20:16.818 --> 20:19.820 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes you wonder if it's like maybe the difference 20:23.444 --> 20:37.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe it has to do with them coming from outer space and there's still a residue on the shift or the ships maybe it's the power source they're using at the time, maybe you know for all we know. 20:38.728 --> 20:43.571 [SPEAKER_00]: They're fucking radioactive, you know, they're going to make up is completely different from ours. 20:44.192 --> 20:54.359 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's also a top all that, how do we know they didn't induce these guys with some some type of radiation just because they can. 20:54.479 --> 20:54.739 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 20:55.219 --> 21:01.043 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I said, we could brainstorm the rest of the night as to how that plays out. 21:01.804 --> 21:04.005 [SPEAKER_00]: It just, you know, and we wouldn't have any. 21:04.185 --> 21:06.547 [SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't be any closer to the answers that we're looking for. 21:08.565 --> 21:22.738 [SPEAKER_01]: this case gets even more weird at this point because they said they weren't in the trailer for very long when both of the men got a telepathic message. 21:24.287 --> 21:24.828 [SPEAKER_01]: stating. 21:25.448 --> 21:26.790 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not done with you yet. 21:27.170 --> 21:31.815 [SPEAKER_01]: We're coming back for you at which point they fell a sleep almost immediately. 21:31.975 --> 21:32.997 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that sucks. 21:33.257 --> 21:33.577 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:34.738 --> 21:35.119 [SPEAKER_00]: That. 21:36.580 --> 21:38.963 [SPEAKER_00]: That is worst case Ontario right there, bud. 21:39.243 --> 21:40.705 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:40.765 --> 21:42.607 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not be happy on that of that. 21:42.965 --> 22:04.621 [SPEAKER_00]: No, especially like that's just going to invoke fear in you even more so like because I'm kind of putting ourselves in in those guys's place like I could I can only imagine getting that relayed to me and then looking over at you and you looking at me and having that same moment of fear like yeah, I just I just heard that too and then we both fall. 22:04.641 --> 22:05.622 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's just clunk. 22:06.182 --> 22:06.363 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 22:07.844 --> 22:21.082 [SPEAKER_01]: It, like I said, it gets super strange because this is also one of the earlier hitchhiker effects that I've stumbled across being in the mid 70s here. 22:21.562 --> 22:24.486 [SPEAKER_01]: So later that night, the men visited Steven's parents house. 22:25.087 --> 22:26.549 [SPEAKER_01]: because they wanted his mom to check them out. 22:26.569 --> 22:27.850 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they weren't feeling good. 22:28.191 --> 22:29.432 [SPEAKER_01]: All this stuff was going on. 22:30.013 --> 22:35.040 [SPEAKER_01]: We're according to rain, Stevens and Grace suffered quote, strange secondary hallucinations. 22:35.801 --> 22:36.321 [SPEAKER_01]: A.K.A. 22:36.361 --> 22:37.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Hitchhiker effect. 22:38.099 --> 22:47.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Gray has said to have been watching television in the Stephen's living room when he said to have seen a black cube tumble through the air and then vanished into the wall. 22:47.884 --> 22:55.187 [SPEAKER_01]: As he was watching the TV, strange golden wires began moving throughout the screen and over the television. 22:56.108 --> 23:03.071 [SPEAKER_01]: Stephen's who's in the room, with him saw none of this, however, in a separate room he 23:06.997 --> 23:09.979 [SPEAKER_01]: almost two feet and then set back down onto the table. 23:10.959 --> 23:21.584 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have like legit poltergeist activity going on, post UFO abduction, which we have heard these two things go hand in hand time and time again. 23:21.804 --> 23:24.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's Andrew's abduction. 23:24.506 --> 23:26.567 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's, there's so many. 23:26.587 --> 23:30.569 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it happened in my, uh, star-dust rant series. 23:30.689 --> 23:30.929 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 23:31.609 --> 23:36.632 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, in a lot of these ultra well documented, 23:38.246 --> 23:53.448 [SPEAKER_00]: uh, extraterrestrial cases, this phenomenon seems to almost, in some accounts, almost like, be a precursor, even though it's really not because the abduction stuff is already taking place. 23:55.270 --> 24:07.258 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're, you know, because of the, the point of view of the timeline shifts with the abductee because they, they don't, they're not aware that they've been abducted prior these encounters. 24:08.118 --> 24:08.899 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? 24:08.939 --> 24:21.746 [SPEAKER_00]: So from there, their perspective, this Polter guy's activity is what starts the series of events, even though this whole other series of events has already taken place. 24:22.047 --> 24:22.247 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:23.328 --> 24:34.237 [SPEAKER_00]: But it is weird this anomalous, this anomalous scenario where these Poltergeist activity happened period. 24:34.657 --> 24:42.864 [SPEAKER_00]: Be it after these series of reductions, or it actually is the precursor to, you know, a series of reductions. 24:43.364 --> 24:49.369 [SPEAKER_00]: It's bizarre that we have this moment of Poltergeist-ish activity. 24:51.902 --> 24:53.144 [SPEAKER_00]: that doesn't make sense to me. 24:53.224 --> 24:54.466 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where that comes from. 24:54.526 --> 24:55.888 [SPEAKER_00]: Why they why that happens. 24:56.569 --> 24:58.011 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it the 25:00.329 --> 25:08.434 [SPEAKER_00]: hallucination type scenario or they actually, you know, it's there is a reality being manipulated, is it? 25:09.775 --> 25:10.316 [SPEAKER_00]: What is it? 25:10.476 --> 25:10.656 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:10.776 --> 25:11.356 [SPEAKER_00]: What is it? 25:11.917 --> 25:22.624 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you'll notice, especially throughout this case, that what one man is experiencing, the other man's not, not experiencing it, you'll not notice it. 25:22.704 --> 25:26.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Because Steven's didn't see the cube move through the room that he was in. 25:26.367 --> 25:28.768 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't see the golden wires on the television, 25:32.134 --> 25:41.364 [SPEAKER_01]: So after they visited with Steven's parents, they went back home to their trailer where they fell asleep again, only to be woken up by what they heard as footsteps running on their roof. 25:42.565 --> 25:43.446 [SPEAKER_01]: Creepy growth. 25:44.387 --> 25:48.631 [SPEAKER_01]: So later that day, they decided to revisit the pond to see if they could find any evidence of what had happened. 25:49.252 --> 25:51.554 [SPEAKER_01]: Both men reportedly saw what they 25:53.072 --> 26:07.239 [SPEAKER_01]: said, look like huge white lights, almost like snowflakes coming down, white and silver spheres and black cubes flying toward the pond and away from the pond, moving in all directions over over a trip pond. 26:08.160 --> 26:21.707 [SPEAKER_01]: They also said that they saw something that looked like a red outline quote, something like a face and something shaped like a bird's beak actually descend into the pond. 26:23.148 --> 26:42.683 [SPEAKER_00]: See, this feels like, in this case, in particular, it feels like for whatever reason, these beings are manipulating their reality or their perception on reality, whereas, you know, I'm just kind of thinking, first of all, I'm just thinking about the poltergeist of the issue activity. 26:43.464 --> 26:49.188 [SPEAKER_00]: And an interesting question that I would like to throw out for people that are far smarter 26:53.455 --> 27:03.620 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's let's say that a UFO comes here to this house or Steven I recording, we become abducted. 27:05.166 --> 27:29.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it possible based upon be it they are from the extraterrestrials from a different dimension or maybe the power source because we've heard that the UFO itself has the capability of warping gravity around it and doing all these crazy ass things long story short, is it possible that whatever force 27:30.731 --> 27:52.986 [SPEAKER_00]: It is around these UFOs, is it possible that because they were focused on this particular home, as the example, that it supercharges the area, it cracks open the area to allow more to bleed through essentially. 27:53.206 --> 28:05.552 [SPEAKER_00]: Or does it, you know, is it could it could it supercharge the area because of the power source that it uses because it comes from a different dimension, whatever the fucking, you know, case maybe is a possible that it itself. 28:06.447 --> 28:09.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Manipulates actual reality. 28:09.989 --> 28:15.471 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a maybe imposed, Poltergeist activity or something, something of that degree. 28:15.631 --> 28:16.791 [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be like the catalyst. 28:17.012 --> 28:17.292 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 28:17.532 --> 28:21.213 [SPEAKER_00]: Breaking it open and letting other things through, right, per se. 28:21.333 --> 28:21.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 28:21.754 --> 28:31.198 [SPEAKER_01]: It also makes me wonder if there, if these extreme Poltergeist cases that we look into, if maybe we looked a little bit before it, 28:32.367 --> 28:38.870 [SPEAKER_01]: was there also UFO abduction activities that people either didn't attribute to it or just kind of wrote off? 28:39.130 --> 28:46.574 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be interesting to definitely, which would be so hard to to read document that. 28:47.214 --> 28:58.140 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's, and then once again, I know broken record, it's why it is so important that when people recount stories, they try to remember as much as they possibly can. 28:58.380 --> 28:58.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:59.440 --> 29:00.781 [SPEAKER_00]: just just for shit. 29:00.861 --> 29:01.682 [SPEAKER_00]: Just like that. 29:02.363 --> 29:02.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 29:02.943 --> 29:13.572 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so not long after seeing all this weird stuff back at Trip Pond as they're there and they witnessed this, they immediately fall asleep again. 29:15.338 --> 29:19.442 [SPEAKER_01]: which makes you think when like weird stuff happens, people are like, hey, let's just go to bed. 29:19.663 --> 29:27.571 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it's weird because, you know, outside of the podcast, prior all of it, Steve knew my stories. 29:27.751 --> 29:32.856 [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that I would always go to sleep, it's so crazy after, you know, seven years of research. 29:33.997 --> 29:50.987 [SPEAKER_00]: So prevalent it is so prevalent in these UFO abduction cases like it's and this point it's expected like when we look into paranormal cases It's expected that the individual has this reaction to the situation. 29:51.207 --> 29:52.548 [SPEAKER_00]: It is fucking bizarre 29:52.748 --> 30:13.431 [SPEAKER_01]: alien apathy alien apathy like whatever but so later that evening at around 845 an hour before rains actually arrived from the initial abduction interview something reportedly walked across the roof of the trailer again and knocks on the front door we're said to be heard. 30:14.112 --> 30:20.674 [SPEAKER_01]: According to Reigns, Steven Sess Stepsister, who was visiting open the door and there was no one there. 30:21.195 --> 30:30.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And Gary, standing less than 8 feet away, heard a male sounding voice say the letters UFO, but he was the only one there that heard it. 30:31.950 --> 30:42.640 [SPEAKER_01]: The following day on the 29th at 9 a.m., a knock on the door was heard and Stephens opened it to find a stocky man with a crew cut wearing a dark blue suit and sunglasses. 30:43.460 --> 30:46.623 [SPEAKER_01]: The man said to have asked if he was the one who saw the flying saucer. 30:47.144 --> 30:53.229 [SPEAKER_01]: When Stephens said yes, the man looked at him and said, you better keep your mouth shut if you know it's good for you. 30:53.829 --> 30:56.572 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's scurried away around the corner of a nearby building. 31:06.214 --> 31:09.276 [SPEAKER_00]: What a fucking what an encounter. 31:10.017 --> 31:11.038 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to fuck. 31:11.058 --> 31:19.904 [SPEAKER_00]: I would do if I opened my door and some dudes like You won't solve that UFO and you're like, yeah, that's me. 31:20.805 --> 31:24.407 [SPEAKER_00]: You keep God damn mouth shape You know, it's good for your boy and then just take off random. 31:24.447 --> 31:25.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Give you the finger. 31:25.468 --> 31:30.792 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just run What I would I would be I would be absolutely dumbfounded 31:31.792 --> 31:35.455 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be standing there with my front door open like what the fuck just happened. 31:35.555 --> 31:47.626 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like maybe The men in blue were like the rookie team of the men in black So they just sit him out like hey, this is gonna be your first one See what you do and he's like 31:48.086 --> 31:49.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't talk about the UFOs, sue you. 31:50.228 --> 31:51.929 [SPEAKER_01]: Ugh, that's a runs away. 31:53.090 --> 31:59.656 [SPEAKER_01]: So the men's encounter were featured in the Lewis and Sun Journal the following day and caught the attention of a woman by the name of Shirley Fickett. 32:00.277 --> 32:03.179 [SPEAKER_01]: Shirley was an investigator with the International UFO bureau. 32:03.880 --> 32:14.629 [SPEAKER_01]: She was particularly interested in the potential lost time element and the potential teleportation of the men's vehicle when they said their car was engulfed by the beam of light. 32:15.410 --> 32:25.056 [SPEAKER_01]: She was very curious as to what happened in the car after it was hit with the light and essentially put back down going in the opposite direction of the road. 32:25.596 --> 32:27.238 [SPEAKER_01]: She thought the car was teleported. 32:28.598 --> 32:33.722 [SPEAKER_01]: She wanted to do this via hypnosis where she enlisted the help of Dr. Herbert Hopkins. 32:34.722 --> 32:40.507 [SPEAKER_01]: who held 8 hypnosis sessions with the men from December 1975 to March of 1976. 32:41.568 --> 32:48.854 [SPEAKER_01]: Stevens was the primary focus of the hypnosis, has Glenn soon left main to move to Oklahoma. 32:50.335 --> 32:54.558 [SPEAKER_01]: The hypnosis would bring out some incredible details about the time that was missing that night. 32:55.505 --> 33:00.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Stevens would remember being outside of the car with Glenn remaining in the car. 33:01.049 --> 33:07.093 [SPEAKER_01]: He would be met by a humanoid creature that would escort him into the craft that they saw. 33:07.893 --> 33:15.238 [SPEAKER_01]: This craft being the same one that the men remembered seeing that night, the large cylindrical craft covered many different colored lights. 33:15.999 --> 33:19.721 [SPEAKER_01]: Stevens reported that the entity did not introduce itself to him, 33:23.927 --> 33:27.530 [SPEAKER_01]: The creature took him on board the craft, which he described as seeing two rooms. 33:28.190 --> 33:32.974 [SPEAKER_01]: One domed with curving walls in a shiny floor, the other he said was hospital-like. 33:33.514 --> 33:36.536 [SPEAKER_01]: It was 35 feet in diameter, about 15 feet high. 33:37.097 --> 33:40.800 [SPEAKER_01]: It had gray walls, a shiny floor, bright lights overhead. 33:41.500 --> 33:59.438 [SPEAKER_01]: The latter had an, a quote, operating table with equipment and felt cool and had a burnt smell, which again, so many cases before you've heard of the burning sulfur smell when the ever these creatures are around, and that's kind of what I'm assuming when he said there was a burnt smell. 34:00.838 --> 34:03.620 [SPEAKER_01]: Stevens described the creatures as about four feet tall. 34:04.281 --> 34:11.287 [SPEAKER_01]: They had large, hairless heads, large, slanted, unblinking eyes, small noses, no ears or mouths. 34:11.867 --> 34:15.050 [SPEAKER_01]: Their skin was white and seemed harder than human skin. 34:15.770 --> 34:23.436 [SPEAKER_01]: They had four webbed fingers on each hand and wore black cloak-like garments and what he described as paper shoes. 34:24.137 --> 34:28.261 [SPEAKER_01]: The paper shoes remind me so much of surgical scrub shoe cups. 34:28.401 --> 34:30.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure, which is weird. 34:30.724 --> 34:31.564 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely weird. 34:32.846 --> 34:38.772 [SPEAKER_01]: He said four beings entered the room and drew tubes of blood from his arm. 34:39.252 --> 34:42.796 [SPEAKER_01]: They took trimmings from his hair and his fingers and toenails. 34:43.617 --> 34:48.561 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, telepathically one of the beings told him to take his clothes off. 34:49.357 --> 34:55.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Steven said, no, cocked back and punched the creature in the face. 34:57.402 --> 35:06.168 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately for him, the creature the alien was completely unfazed, didn't flinch, didn't move. 35:06.749 --> 35:09.551 [SPEAKER_01]: Steven said he didn't act hurt, it didn't act angry. 35:10.111 --> 35:13.153 [SPEAKER_01]: It was completely indifferent to being punched in the face. 35:13.473 --> 35:14.374 [SPEAKER_00]: That sucks. 35:14.774 --> 35:19.775 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said at this point, it just came over him like you need to comply. 35:20.976 --> 35:23.957 [SPEAKER_01]: So he said, I didn't resist anymore. 35:24.317 --> 35:28.798 [SPEAKER_01]: At that point, all my fear just went away and they took his clothes off. 35:29.738 --> 35:43.182 [SPEAKER_01]: So while he was laying there on the table, he said this machine that looked like it had a big extension arm holding some sort of scanning device, scanned his body for 40 to 45 minutes as he just laid 35:44.644 --> 35:55.626 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, they gave him an injection into the shoulder, and then let him get dressed and he began to communicate again telepathically with the beings. 35:56.146 --> 35:59.647 [SPEAKER_01]: The original being that met him at the car reassured him that he would not be harmed. 36:00.307 --> 36:09.109 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he stated that they communicated telepathically by what he called his brainwaves, and they said that they had been observing him for quite some time, and that they would 36:15.133 --> 36:19.098 [SPEAKER_01]: After the shoulder injection, they led Stevens back into the first room. 36:19.719 --> 36:27.549 [SPEAKER_01]: He next recalled being in the car with Glenn, who, according to Ficket, didn't recall Stevens ever leaving the car at all. 36:29.800 --> 36:37.948 [SPEAKER_01]: So Glenn was had Steven still in the car while Stevens was being abducted or at least that was his percept for a reality of time. 36:38.048 --> 36:43.092 [SPEAKER_01]: Which reminds you of Sam the sand down clam where she was taken and this been part two. 36:43.112 --> 36:46.896 [SPEAKER_01]: She was taken to a completely alternate dimension, but she was still there with a friend. 36:47.056 --> 36:47.356 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 36:48.277 --> 36:48.858 [SPEAKER_01]: Fucking weird. 36:49.418 --> 36:50.919 [SPEAKER_00]: It is it is strange in it. 36:51.359 --> 36:55.321 [SPEAKER_00]: The the injection into the shoulder is bizarre. 36:56.121 --> 36:59.383 [SPEAKER_00]: I also feel like one of two things right now. 37:00.724 --> 37:11.469 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a great case for people that would want to argue this is a governmental abduction. 37:12.890 --> 37:15.631 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel very good about that. 37:15.791 --> 37:17.112 [SPEAKER_01]: The surgical scrub like 37:20.935 --> 37:25.018 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to it that just feels like this could be governmental. 37:26.078 --> 37:32.622 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the fact that it took 45 minutes to scan what are we doing or is this. 37:32.642 --> 37:39.685 [SPEAKER_00]: A lesser advanced. 37:41.306 --> 37:41.827 [SPEAKER_00]: EAT. 37:41.907 --> 37:42.267 [SPEAKER_01]: Race. 37:42.347 --> 37:42.727 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 37:43.868 --> 37:44.528 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting. 37:45.374 --> 38:00.415 [SPEAKER_00]: Like because I'm leaning both ways right now because there's just it just feels different it just something about it feels different, you know, it doesn't seem As smooth And some of these other cases. 38:00.555 --> 38:00.895 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 38:01.697 --> 38:01.917 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 38:03.724 --> 38:22.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he begins to recall them driving away from the cornfield with the UFO following them where they were forced to stop in a field where the engine and radio died to the main UFO into additional disk remained in sight maneuvering until a fog hid them around 6.30 a.m. the large UFO seemed to suck up the fog and fly away. 38:23.202 --> 38:27.525 [SPEAKER_01]: The car then became operational again, almost like it used the fog to shut the car down. 38:28.568 --> 38:34.172 [SPEAKER_01]: The men return home, Stevens refused to comment on when or where the creature said that they would meet him again. 38:34.692 --> 38:39.636 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost as if that information was locked behind extra layers that the hypnosis couldn't permeate. 38:41.257 --> 38:42.958 [SPEAKER_01]: So normally, this case wouldn't here. 38:43.778 --> 38:45.159 [SPEAKER_01]: Already a super strange one. 38:45.480 --> 38:50.843 [SPEAKER_01]: You got a production missing time, teleportation, hitchhiker effect, it might be activity, but it doesn't. 38:51.564 --> 38:55.927 [SPEAKER_01]: It leads to what I'm going to get into, which is one of the most documented men and black cases on record. 38:56.769 --> 39:04.655 [SPEAKER_01]: when they we've all talked about before in the minute black cases, but this UFO abduction that I just talked about is often lost behind it. 39:05.435 --> 39:09.578 [SPEAKER_01]: It's also overshadowed by another abduction case that happened two weeks later. 39:10.279 --> 39:11.820 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the abduction I'm Travis Wolfe. 39:13.276 --> 39:13.797 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. 39:13.857 --> 39:21.667 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why this one gets lost in the sauce because the biggest one hits even in the biggest even more so that I mentioned Travis. 39:21.687 --> 39:32.020 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's why I didn't say anything when you did and also crazy because of the mention, the fact that, you know, 39:32.483 --> 39:36.105 [SPEAKER_00]: What was the Travis Walton abduction case in the same vicinity? 39:36.745 --> 39:38.085 [SPEAKER_01]: No, this was in Maine. 39:38.305 --> 39:41.727 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Walton was in Arizona. 39:42.527 --> 39:43.768 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this something somewhere over there? 39:44.048 --> 39:45.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was definitely on it. 39:45.248 --> 39:46.729 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it was definitely on the west. 39:47.127 --> 40:08.015 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's just crazy that one essentially one group by our assumption got almost like a severe radiation and then on the other hand Walton is injured by the craft and this is his perception is injured by the craft and then healed by the individuals on the craft. 40:08.895 --> 40:32.993 [SPEAKER_00]: But ironically enough, something I thought about when you were going through this here is my last series, the Copley Woods encounter, whenever the being said, hey, if you stay here any longer, you could get sick, and by them running tests for so long, maybe something like that happened to them, you know, because they overstayed political, they're welcome. 40:33.894 --> 40:40.640 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, by spending 45 minutes on a body scan like what we're doing, guys, come on when you stream my in this little bit better. 40:42.248 --> 40:43.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 40:43.268 --> 40:53.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Also another type to a very popular abduction case is Betty Hill from the Betty Barney Hill abduction. 40:54.532 --> 41:03.916 [SPEAKER_01]: After the her abduction she became a pretty prominent researcher and investigator into all these and she actually dove into the Stevens abduction case. 41:04.596 --> 41:06.497 [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was another little tidbit that was interesting. 41:07.497 --> 41:09.338 [SPEAKER_01]: But now we're going to get into this in my B. 41:11.174 --> 41:15.597 [SPEAKER_01]: It might be going on because the M.I.B. 41:15.717 --> 41:31.208 [SPEAKER_01]: men and blue who were at Steven's door, but now, as I mentioned earlier, our doctor that did the hypnosis, Dr. Herbert Hopkins, he starts to have his world turned upside down. 41:32.458 --> 41:44.709 [SPEAKER_01]: In September of 1976, Dr. Herbert Hopkins, a 58-year-old doctor in hypnosis, hypnotist, hypnotist, was acting as a consultant on an alleged UFO teleportation case out of Maine. 41:44.769 --> 41:51.435 [SPEAKER_01]: So this, this source I'm using right here, doesn't even talk about the UFO abduction. 41:51.875 --> 41:54.397 [SPEAKER_01]: They just said, a UFO teleportation case out of Maine. 41:54.617 --> 41:54.837 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 41:54.978 --> 41:55.238 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 41:56.609 --> 42:00.931 [SPEAKER_01]: So one evening, his wife and children had gone out to the movies leaving him home alone. 42:01.512 --> 42:02.632 [SPEAKER_01]: His telephone rang. 42:03.253 --> 42:19.382 [SPEAKER_01]: As he answered the man identified himself as the vice president of the New Jersey UFO Research Organization, and wanted to talk about the case, he asked Dr. Hopkins that evening if they could discuss certain details and Hopkins agreed. 42:20.022 --> 42:24.845 [SPEAKER_01]: At this time, it seemed like a natural thing to do is he was part of the investigation. 42:26.269 --> 42:28.930 [SPEAKER_01]: The man asked if he could meet up with Hopkins at his home. 42:29.770 --> 42:31.770 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopkins is like, sure, come on over. 42:32.991 --> 42:41.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Which he says, while discussing the case was a natural thing to do, he normally wouldn't just invite someone that he doesn't know to his home. 42:41.673 --> 42:45.014 [SPEAKER_00]: As it is, definitely not of Schmart move. 42:45.334 --> 42:52.095 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he hangs up the phone and before he can turn on the light switch to his back patio, 42:55.972 --> 42:59.294 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's literally immediately there. 42:59.494 --> 43:00.135 [SPEAKER_00]: That sucks. 43:00.615 --> 43:00.935 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 43:02.376 --> 43:05.578 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopkins says, I noticed the man already climbing the porch steps. 43:05.679 --> 43:06.619 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw no car. 43:07.039 --> 43:12.083 [SPEAKER_01]: And even if he did have a car, he could not have possibly gotten to my house that quickly from any phone. 43:13.624 --> 43:15.945 [SPEAKER_01]: He said it was just like, he was like, what? 43:19.702 --> 43:24.684 [SPEAKER_01]: I also should mention that Hopkins really wasn't into the UFO phenomenon before this case. 43:25.404 --> 43:34.568 [SPEAKER_01]: It just in the teleportation interested him, which is why he agreed to kind of hop on for pun intended there. 43:35.268 --> 43:39.030 [SPEAKER_01]: But he says at the time, he felt no particular surprise as he admitted 43:40.422 --> 43:52.747 [SPEAKER_01]: his visitor, the man was dressed in an all black suit, a black Derby style hat, black tie, black shoes, a white shirt, said quote, I thought he looked like an undertaker. 43:53.428 --> 44:01.911 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopkins later said that his clothes were completely immaculate, suit unrinkled, that the crease in his trousers, he said, we're perfect. 44:01.931 --> 44:04.873 [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't matter how he moved, the crease stayed perfect. 44:05.700 --> 44:17.242 [SPEAKER_01]: When he took off his hat, he revealed that he was completely bald, completely hairless, not only bald, but he also didn't have any eyebrows, and he didn't have any eyelashes. 44:18.163 --> 44:23.824 [SPEAKER_01]: He said his skin was dead white, except for his lips that were painted bright red. 44:24.504 --> 44:30.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost like he was trying to emulate what a person looked like, but not quite. 44:34.742 --> 44:38.080 [SPEAKER_01]: He had happened to wipe his mouth with one of his gloves. 44:39.807 --> 44:49.074 [SPEAKER_01]: And Hopkins said, as he was looking, he noticed red lip stick on the back of this man's glove. 44:50.075 --> 44:55.599 [SPEAKER_01]: Then when he looked at the man, he had completely wiped half of his lips off. 44:56.580 --> 44:59.762 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said the man didn't have actual lips. 45:00.402 --> 45:02.524 [SPEAKER_01]: There was just a slit where his mouth should be. 45:02.664 --> 45:03.845 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fucking creepy. 45:04.265 --> 45:04.986 [SPEAKER_00]: That's gross. 45:05.306 --> 45:06.767 [SPEAKER_00]: That's creepy. 45:07.772 --> 45:08.653 [SPEAKER_01]: hate that for him. 45:08.933 --> 45:12.635 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, psox. 45:13.775 --> 45:15.876 [SPEAKER_01]: It was only after we were trying to punch that one. 45:15.997 --> 45:21.299 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, afterwards that Hopkins reflect further on the strangeness of the visitors appearance and his behavior. 45:22.020 --> 45:25.041 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he like he started to question and like why would I let this man in? 45:25.081 --> 45:26.482 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what was I even thinking? 45:26.502 --> 45:36.688 [SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like he too was having not necessarily his reality manipulated, but his whole thought process manipulated as they're sitting there 45:37.840 --> 45:53.600 [SPEAKER_01]: the man's talking about the case, talking about the interviews and the Hopkins has tape recording conversations and stuff with of the hypnosis and the guy 45:55.127 --> 45:59.331 [SPEAKER_01]: At first Hopkins is like, how did this dude even know that I had any of this? 46:00.112 --> 46:09.400 [SPEAKER_01]: And secondly, as he's asking questions, Hopkins is answering him, and the man is replying almost to, like, he already knows what Hopkins is going to say before he asks the questions. 46:11.118 --> 46:16.941 [SPEAKER_01]: So as they're sitting there, the man says, you have two coins in your pocket. 46:16.961 --> 46:20.783 [SPEAKER_01]: And Hopkins is like, yeah, I do. 46:20.983 --> 46:25.346 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I bought a paper earlier and I paid the paper boy and this was my change. 46:26.066 --> 46:27.107 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a dime in the pinning. 46:27.887 --> 46:36.032 [SPEAKER_01]: He asked the doctor to take one of the coins in his hand and watch the coin, but do not look at the man as Hopkins watched. 46:36.897 --> 46:49.126 [SPEAKER_01]: The bright shiny penny started turning from its copper color to a silver, then to a blue, and then immediately dematerialized and vanished completely in his hand. 46:50.067 --> 46:50.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope. 46:50.587 --> 46:57.072 [SPEAKER_01]: The man looks at him and said, neither you nor anyone else on this planet will ever see this coin again. 46:58.253 --> 47:03.457 [SPEAKER_01]: After talking a little while longer about the UFO topics, Hop can suddenly notice that the barn. 47:04.814 --> 47:05.474 [SPEAKER_01]: I missed the park. 47:05.534 --> 47:05.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry. 47:06.535 --> 47:09.197 [SPEAKER_01]: He also said, do you remember Barney Hill? 47:09.977 --> 47:11.258 [SPEAKER_01]: He died of a heart attack. 47:11.899 --> 47:16.121 [SPEAKER_01]: Barney Hill's heart is the same place that that penny was. 47:17.482 --> 47:18.763 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be an interesting. 47:21.225 --> 47:22.926 [SPEAKER_00]: Find if you were able to find. 47:22.946 --> 47:29.770 [SPEAKER_00]: That's I guess what would essentially be Barney Hill's autopsy report and find out that he's missing an art. 47:30.604 --> 47:40.891 [SPEAKER_01]: the autopsy reports said I can't remember what he passed away, but I don't think it was heart related according to the autopsy. 47:40.951 --> 47:41.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 47:42.692 --> 47:43.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me look. 47:44.673 --> 47:52.418 [SPEAKER_01]: But we don't know if that's the official autopsy or died of a cerebral hemorrhage February 25, 1969. 47:52.558 --> 47:53.659 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting. 47:54.779 --> 47:55.059 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:55.780 --> 47:56.220 [SPEAKER_01]: So. 47:57.401 --> 47:58.802 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, back to it. 48:01.193 --> 48:07.591 [SPEAKER_01]: The man tells Hopkins that he needs to get rid of all of his evidence. 48:08.743 --> 48:20.709 [SPEAKER_01]: everything, destroy it all, destroy the records, destroy your notes, destroy all the recordings of the hypnosis, you need to get rid of it all or what happened to Barney Hills going to happen to you. 48:21.949 --> 48:27.472 [SPEAKER_01]: So Hopkins is like, oh, okay, I've got a little intense pretty quick. 48:28.172 --> 48:33.195 [SPEAKER_01]: And as they were talking a little bit more about the case, Hopkins noticed that the man's speech 48:38.926 --> 48:48.196 [SPEAKER_01]: The man suddenly rose to his feet, unsteady, and moving slowly, he says to Hopkins, my energy is running low, must go now, goodbye. 48:49.097 --> 48:56.085 [SPEAKER_01]: He walked, stumbled to the door, descended down the steps, wanted a time holding the stairwell as best as he can. 48:56.505 --> 49:00.589 [SPEAKER_01]: The man then moves around the side of the house using it to study himself as he went. 49:01.752 --> 49:23.815 [SPEAKER_01]: doctor Hopkins goes back inside shots the door doesn't think anything of it doesn't like even think like why's a man walking around the side of my house you know it's like his brain just wasn't firing in all cylinders but at that point he saw a bright light shining through the windows from the driveway it was a bluish white wave brighter than the normal car lights that go by or pull into his driveway 49:25.079 --> 49:30.523 [SPEAKER_01]: At the time, he just thought it was the stranger's car, although he never saw it or heard it. 49:31.103 --> 49:34.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Like all these things are so out of character, but he was just like, whatever. 49:36.247 --> 49:41.811 [SPEAKER_01]: When his family returned home that night, he was so shaken, they said he was sitting in his kitchen table with a gun. 49:42.372 --> 49:47.075 [SPEAKER_01]: All the lights were on on the inside of the house and all the lights were on on the outside of the house. 49:48.176 --> 49:52.479 [SPEAKER_01]: As he kind of described what had happened, they had a rather large watchdog, 49:54.000 --> 49:54.921 [SPEAKER_01]: took care of the house. 49:55.421 --> 49:57.883 [SPEAKER_01]: It was hiding in a closet and refused to come out. 49:58.303 --> 50:00.384 [SPEAKER_01]: They had coaxed out with treats eventually. 50:01.125 --> 50:05.207 [SPEAKER_01]: But they wanted to make note that the cat was completely unbothered by the visit. 50:06.588 --> 50:19.617 [SPEAKER_01]: When he was in his family went outside to see if they can see any evidence of the man's encounter or see where he went, all they found were bizarre like catapillaresque tank trids in the gravel of their driveway. 50:22.411 --> 50:25.692 [SPEAKER_00]: The fuckers, the damn hard to de-do? 50:26.112 --> 50:29.053 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, just driving an invisible tank around. 50:29.673 --> 50:37.035 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I halfway feel like the moment you see that these lose an energy. 50:37.836 --> 50:38.256 [SPEAKER_00]: Sus. 50:38.716 --> 50:42.717 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, not only that, but I feel like if I was a right mind, 50:44.340 --> 50:47.063 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this guy would have pissed me off to no end. 50:47.843 --> 50:48.744 [SPEAKER_00]: By threatening me. 50:49.845 --> 50:54.269 [SPEAKER_00]: And in my head, if he's losing some gas, boy. 50:54.690 --> 50:56.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Pull the old Stevens and punch him in the face. 50:56.791 --> 50:59.634 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 51:00.335 --> 51:03.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Oddly enough, the tracks in the gravel driveway were gone by the next morning. 51:05.246 --> 51:08.209 [SPEAKER_01]: The following week, Hopkins reported having trouble with his phone. 51:08.389 --> 51:18.800 [SPEAKER_01]: It cutting in and out, being completely non-functional or when it would work, it would be undated with static and white noise, making him virtually uncontactable for the next week. 51:20.141 --> 51:26.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopkins was very much shaken up by the visit, particularly when he thought about the man's odd conduct. 51:28.262 --> 51:39.345 [SPEAKER_01]: thinking on that, he was so scared that he willingly complied with his visitors' instructions, and he raced all of his tapes of the hypnotic sessions. 51:40.126 --> 51:48.028 [SPEAKER_01]: He deleted all of his notes, burnt them all, just washed his hands of the entire case. 51:48.868 --> 51:50.569 [SPEAKER_01]: He then learned that 51:51.858 --> 51:58.743 [SPEAKER_01]: The New Jersey UFO research organization, which was where this man claimed to be from as a vice president never existed at all. 52:01.205 --> 52:03.186 [SPEAKER_01]: He has no idea where this man came from. 52:03.366 --> 52:11.712 [SPEAKER_00]: That would definitely hurt me out in his brain going through and just deleting everything and then being like, why the fuck did I just do that? 52:12.813 --> 52:17.636 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I, yeah, I guess he was so scared just having that. 52:19.077 --> 52:27.181 [SPEAKER_01]: coin, de-materialize in front of you, and then basically being like, yeah, I, we murdered a guy doing that. 52:27.241 --> 52:27.521 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 52:27.721 --> 52:29.482 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's gonna be you next if you don't do this. 52:29.642 --> 52:30.842 [SPEAKER_00]: That would definitely be scary. 52:31.442 --> 52:37.085 [SPEAKER_01]: And especially like, they can do that to the coin, they can do it to my family, you know, because they, I think you had a dog. 52:37.105 --> 52:42.287 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was his wife and his daughter went out to the drive in that night to see a movie and he just decided to stay home. 52:42.807 --> 52:44.868 [SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as they left, that's when the call happened. 52:44.888 --> 52:46.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost like the whole thing was arranged. 52:51.075 --> 53:12.750 [SPEAKER_01]: He, after this happened, he kind of leaned toward that whatever this man was was from another dimension, presumably where the coin had disappeared to, because again, he wasn't that big into the whole UFO realm, but he's trying to put the pieces together. 53:14.262 --> 53:21.067 [SPEAKER_01]: another part of the encounter that's not talked about much because that you hear a lot about that general men and black encounter there. 53:21.107 --> 53:38.681 [SPEAKER_01]: The demon materialization of the penny, the Barney Hill connection, the threat, yada yada yada, but it didn't in there because more strange things probably essentially tied to this happened a couple weeks later 53:43.767 --> 53:48.312 [SPEAKER_01]: which his daughter-in-law, Maureen and her husband, John, also had a strange encounter. 53:48.792 --> 53:55.379 [SPEAKER_01]: Maureen received a strange phone call from a man asking if he could visit them with his girlfriend. 53:56.340 --> 54:03.428 [SPEAKER_01]: As she was talking to John about it, John recalled also meeting a strange man two days prior at a fast food restaurant. 54:04.523 --> 54:09.548 [SPEAKER_01]: For some reason, again, they're like their brains just aren't functioning correctly. 54:10.308 --> 54:14.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Marine tells them in that the couple could come over, gives them their address. 54:15.093 --> 54:22.800 [SPEAKER_01]: When they got there, she said the couple looked like they were in their 30s, but they were both wearing clothes that were very old and style. 54:24.067 --> 54:35.153 [SPEAKER_01]: She said they both walked with an odd gate as almost if they weren't comfortable or used to walking, like they didn't know what they were doing and they were afraid of falling over. 54:36.554 --> 54:45.679 [SPEAKER_01]: She also said they'd lack the basic human etiquette because as they came in, John offered them both bottles of coke which they were like super stoked for. 54:46.160 --> 54:53.344 [SPEAKER_01]: They enthusiastically accepted them, they looked at the bottles, and they said them down and didn't touch them the rest of the day, or the rest of the night. 54:54.071 --> 54:58.093 [SPEAKER_01]: didn't open them up, didn't drink them like they didn't know what they were what they were supposed to do with them. 54:58.754 --> 55:04.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea said their movements were like almost pre-thought of and robotic. 55:04.817 --> 55:09.440 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they were trying to time their movements as to what a person would do. 55:10.921 --> 55:13.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Then it got real real weird. 55:14.054 --> 55:14.554 [SPEAKER_01]: real weird. 55:14.595 --> 55:15.896 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there all sitting there on the couch? 55:16.576 --> 55:23.402 [SPEAKER_01]: The man begins to intimately fondle the woman asking John, is this the way it's done? 55:24.463 --> 55:29.747 [SPEAKER_01]: He continues doing this while he tries to carry a conversation on with John and Maureen about their lives. 55:30.208 --> 55:31.249 [SPEAKER_01]: What books do you read? 55:31.449 --> 55:32.730 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you watch a lot of TV? 55:33.330 --> 55:36.473 [SPEAKER_01]: What books or what television shows do you watch? 55:37.013 --> 55:37.814 [SPEAKER_01]: Almost as if he was like 55:42.817 --> 55:43.898 [SPEAKER_00]: Bro, go away. 55:44.058 --> 55:48.461 [SPEAKER_01]: He looks at Marine and says, do you have any nude pictures of yourself? 55:48.841 --> 55:49.761 [SPEAKER_01]: How were you made? 55:50.442 --> 55:55.425 [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, the John and Marine look at each other and like, get the fuck out of here. 55:55.925 --> 55:56.726 [SPEAKER_01]: You weirdo. 55:57.807 --> 56:02.690 [SPEAKER_01]: So they stood up and as they stand up, the man just seems to lock up. 56:03.613 --> 56:04.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he doesn't know what to do. 56:05.015 --> 56:06.057 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not able to move. 56:06.577 --> 56:08.260 [SPEAKER_01]: The woman becomes panicked. 56:08.620 --> 56:09.402 [SPEAKER_01]: She looks at John. 56:09.442 --> 56:10.844 [SPEAKER_01]: She goes, please move him. 56:10.904 --> 56:12.266 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't move him myself. 56:12.326 --> 56:13.247 [SPEAKER_01]: You need to help me. 56:13.968 --> 56:17.834 [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, as if the man had like rebooted his energy. 56:18.595 --> 56:25.678 [SPEAKER_01]: He stands up, makes a B-line for the door, and immediately out of it, with the woman scaring close behind him. 56:26.039 --> 56:29.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Neither of them said a word, they didn't shut the door, they didn't tell him goodbye. 56:30.441 --> 56:36.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry for doing weird stuff on your couch, not thanks for the coke, nothing just off into the night. 56:36.684 --> 56:38.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you. 56:38.144 --> 56:38.484 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you. 56:38.504 --> 56:39.145 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you. 56:39.965 --> 56:42.766 [SPEAKER_00]: That happens to me in my life, and we're, we're of sound of mind. 56:43.327 --> 56:45.968 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be a fucking tag team match in the living room. 56:47.530 --> 57:00.315 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like they were trying to get a tag team match going on but I'm gonna be that kind of tag team It's gonna be somebody's getting their ass with But yeah, yes, it like it's so bizarre. 57:00.355 --> 57:14.519 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking weird weird when she described the way that they walked in I could think about was the old sugar water guy from men in black where he gets the human suit on It's like what is his name? 57:18.373 --> 57:24.395 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only thing I could think of was where he was talking about where he was like trying to walk. 57:26.972 --> 57:27.772 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me look it up. 57:28.152 --> 57:38.056 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say some fucking random Edgar Edgar yeah, that's that's the only thing I can think of was like they had a human suit on that couldn't figure it out. 57:38.636 --> 57:42.997 [SPEAKER_00]: It almost makes me like what what if the men in black what if that's what happened? 57:43.457 --> 57:48.479 [SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about how the men in black sightings have gone down in the in the years. 57:49.219 --> 57:50.640 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll figure it out how to be people. 57:50.980 --> 57:51.240 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 57:53.064 --> 58:01.688 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, as in my head, I'm thinking like, what if this was an early fucking Android that the government made? 58:03.668 --> 58:11.352 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, because it's, which means if it, if that was the case, it would be a, I driven to some degree trying to learn how to be a human. 58:11.852 --> 58:12.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:13.725 --> 58:39.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and what if what if that's why we have Noes to decline in them because they learned how to blend in seamlessly with this now became people they became people that sucks that sucks a lot And then they learned real fast like hey stupid if we're all wearing fedores and black They're gonna know let me try to wear these clothes from the 1850s. 58:39.562 --> 58:40.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're gonna know 58:43.298 --> 58:45.059 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me, let me cop a feel here. 58:45.079 --> 58:47.021 [SPEAKER_01]: Why I ask you what your favorite TV show is. 58:47.141 --> 58:49.142 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that's cross the line there, bud. 58:49.382 --> 58:50.043 [SPEAKER_01]: So weird. 58:50.223 --> 58:51.184 [SPEAKER_00]: It's cross the line. 58:51.204 --> 58:57.208 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you're asking for newbies of my life to another big problem. 58:58.320 --> 59:00.022 [SPEAKER_01]: you have any nude pictures of yourself? 59:00.302 --> 59:01.083 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you made? 59:03.867 --> 59:04.367 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 59:05.408 --> 59:08.051 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was it with the 59:16.625 --> 59:29.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, wild UFO abduction case that not a lot of people talk about lost in the sauce upon the MIB encounters and again Travis Walton's case being a couple weeks later. 59:30.217 --> 59:36.340 [SPEAKER_01]: There is a 40-minute interview with Hopkins where he talks about that night. 59:37.380 --> 59:44.644 [SPEAKER_01]: If I remember, I will post the YouTube up for everybody where they can listen to it if not, just search it up. 59:44.664 --> 59:45.584 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll find it on YouTube. 59:45.884 --> 59:50.926 [SPEAKER_01]: It's easy, but it's him talking about his interaction 01:00:00.670 --> 01:00:08.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just thought it was interesting because we talked about on the night shift as anybody punched an alien and I was already kind of looking into this and I'm like, I know somebody who did 01:00:12.063 --> 01:00:16.967 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, let us know what you think, Holocaust, leave it in the comments. 01:00:17.247 --> 01:00:19.789 [SPEAKER_01]: We deal with the legitimate might be here. 01:00:19.809 --> 01:00:34.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it all tied to the alien abduction, which, I mean, obviously, they didn't want the information from the abduction getting out, because you had a little chubby might be blue guy saying, don't you ever talk about that again? 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:35.700 [SPEAKER_00]: Right there. 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:37.041 [SPEAKER_01]: And you got them. 01:00:37.501 --> 01:00:38.222 [SPEAKER_01]: But that didn't work. 01:00:38.242 --> 01:00:39.823 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you got the real weirdos out here. 01:00:41.195 --> 01:01:08.728 [SPEAKER_01]: it sucks that so much of the evidence and transcripts and stuff from the hypnosis was destroyed yeah sucks but y'all so understand because that would be scary yeah he was gonna make your heart disappear he didn't have lips he didn't have lips anybody said do you see what i did that beneath and i'm gonna do that with your heart yeah i'm able to 01:01:11.821 --> 01:01:12.422 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's that. 01:01:12.922 --> 01:01:13.402 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll call. 01:01:13.563 --> 01:01:14.363 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's know what you think. 01:01:14.884 --> 01:01:16.105 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for hanging out with us this week. 01:01:16.225 --> 01:01:37.504 [SPEAKER_01]: Check out our social share this show, share this show, and until we meet again, say, stay safe, stay weird, and if the, the, the, the minute blacker, funneling their partners on your couch, don't offer him a soda, fight them or tell them to leave.