[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we are back with takedown on Tane and I are here and we're going to talk about a few different topics and wrestling and I've listed them down here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me read through them because I wanted to make sure that we got through all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit of a probably speed through some of these a little bit faster than we normally would, but we'll talk about Kevin Owens and see him punk.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the G1 main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the Continental Challenge Cup.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll talk about Elie Knight and Solo and the end of Monday Night Raw from the other night.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's start from top to bottom, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was on Wrestling Observer radio.
[SPEAKER_00]: Big Dave had not watched SmackDown yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't think he and Brian went over SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows what they what they together thought of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Brian talked about it on Brian and Vinnie, but when I went over it with him, and I just kind of went over my notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: he asked me what I thought about punk and Kevin Owens and I said that it's kind of funny because right before we started the show, I was in the discord and someone was saying something to the effect of, you know, Kenny Omega and Will Lasper are going to do this sit down and so then I was like, well, I sure as hope one of the two doesn't call each other a fat slob because
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I understand the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a, let's just say that it is, it is a very simple high school put down type of story so that everybody understands it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one is going to be confused about this angle at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very straightforward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the good thing about it is they're both tremendous talkers so they can get
[SPEAKER_00]: everything in what they're saying comes across with conviction.
[SPEAKER_00]: You really feel like the hate each other and that part of the thing is working about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could take it or leave it with the fat shaming and with the bullying and with the locker room stuff from back in the day and with Kevin Owens really still sort of feeling like he's second rate to see him punk and maybe that maybe he does win.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he would edge or not, but maybe he wins and that's the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Kale has been wrestling for so long.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a WWE superstar for over 10 years now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that rings a little hollow to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I, you know, I just looked at it and that was kind of my feedback.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is your feedback on this storyline so far for the two weeks that they've done it on SmackDown?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's funny because I never really knew anything about any kind of bad blood or anything between them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I assume that there's some legitimacy to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do find it funny that almost every one of the empung's feuds somehow get back to the fact that he's a dick.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, and like, in some way or another, you know, that he's been addicted to somebody at some point and now, you know, they, they want their revenge, they want to shut them up, you know, quote unquote real fight, you know, and so it's like, in that sense, it's kind of played out, but this one is a little like, it feels like it's got a little bit more like juice to it in the sense that it's almost like, like they're trying to like,
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to come off like, we're not really supposed to know about this, but they're kind of breaking a fourth wall or something like that and telling some of this, whereas some of the other stuff was more based on things that happened in front of the camera for the most part, you know, whether in some cases, not even in this company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they did throw cute little reference into a w that I, you know, I don't think most fans even probably understood it, you know, most w w fans, um, you know, saying that, oh, you know, I have three friends that, you know, the hate you more than I do or something like that, you know, Kevin Owen said, um, it the fat thing didn't really bother me more because Kevin kind of owned it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, in that sense, like it didn't bother him, it was more like, yeah, well, this fat solbs gonna kick your ass, you know, so it really affects love though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he was in the ROH days, but, well, I mean, compared to most people in WWE, you know, you could kind of say that, he's not a slob for sure, I mean, but, you know, he's not, he doesn't have the same kind of physique that, you know, most of them have, but it works for him, and yeah, he's not fat, but, you know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, and in back in the day, maybe he was, um, and, you know, and like the stuff that he's probably been accused of is the same kind of thing that punk was probably doing five years before that, you know, to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, or even, and you know, and that's even been brought up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's kind of almost the genesis of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the feels like the Roman thing like you know that he's walking in and feels like he's owns a place and now this is my yard and you know, you're you're a visitor here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like but I do like I am intrigued by the match and the story they're telling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Logically, builds to Kevin Owens winning, I don't think he's gonna.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't either, at least not on the first attempt.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like, so I am not expecting a finish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I don't know what's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, if they're gonna not do a non-finish, I hope it's just like a, like a no contest, some sort of thing where the brawl just gets out of control and the referee has to throw it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: WWE does that,
[SPEAKER_01]: pretty well most of the time when they do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember there was one
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Drew and Cody, maybe, where they had advertised the match on Smackdown, maybe it was Randy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no, you know, it was on a Saturday, it made a vent, I think, and they had a match that had been advertised and they ended up just having like a 20-minute brawl and the match didn't even happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, people were upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, like most people just thought it was an awesome brawl and couldn't wait for the rematch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope if they're going to do it on finish, I'm not saying I want this to happen, but it's like the best of a bad situation if they decide they don't want to finish then with that way as opposed to, you know, Cody running in or something like that, you know, or Sammy or you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see a third party running and break this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see
[SPEAKER_01]: And not a cheap, like, low-blower, something like that either, I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's got to be better than what they did on SmackDown with Cody and Sammy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was expecting that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, like, I wasn't, you know, especially when, you know, you're watching on a delay and there's like seven minutes left in the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a world title match coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, there's no overrun on Netflix, you know, so I suppose if it was
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so what was the storyline?
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: or insinuated that punk was becoming the person that he was in AEW.
[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't a promo recently, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it in a, was it in a, I might have been like, might have been like Kevin not saying those words, but you know, basically saying, yeah, that, you know, you left the last place because you're, you know, basically what you are now or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forget who it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was in one of the programs before this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, someone wasn't, it wasn't Kevin then, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, someone insinuated like, or maybe it was all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could it be, I don't remember what it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the Genesis was, you've been, you know, you've been a good guy since you've been back, but we know that the person underneath that is the guy who left the other company.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, that's Seth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not with Seth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, okay, I remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That seems to be the character that they're leaning into with the hunk, but some of this ROH stuff goes back even further.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it even ROH?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was looking and I was trying to figure out when this mystery, the confrontation happened because as near as I can tell, punk was gone by the time Owen's got to ROH.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I don't know if it was like one of these
[SPEAKER_01]: drag and get USA or something, you know, like, I don't know when this allegedly happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: I assume it did, but I've never heard of it before and I have.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they could have made it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if they did, it's a hell of a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the talking has been great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, you know, the storyline is a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a little bit too simplistic for my taste.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit too much high school jock, freshman, throne, and in the locker room, kind of storytelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do wonder though, because the talking is so good in the fans are eating it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do wonder if the match is going to be as good or good enough to match the hype.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think as long as they stick to just brawling, it should be okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't, you know, and that's what Kevin Owens does.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not like a high spots guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think punk needs to be busted out any, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: elbow drops to the floor, moon salts or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just keep it, keep it a simple brawl, at least for the first match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can build off of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's, I think when it's two guys having a personal issue like this, people want to see a fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to see high spot to match, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I say people, I'm even talking about myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, and I like those kind of matches don't give me wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I, I, I watch those all the time and I rate them pretty highly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't, you know, we, you taught you recommended the Chad Gable Ramesterio match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't need to see Kevin Owens and CM Punk have a match like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I love the match, you know, that's not what this story is building to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas in that case, that's exactly what that story was building to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would love to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if punk still has it in him, but there were some series of matches that he did in AEW where by the end of it, it was like, you know, Doc Haller match or just something where the NGF dude really.
[SPEAKER_00]: The brutality matched.
[SPEAKER_00]: promos in the hatred in the promos like the brutality at the end was like okay those guys hated each other and they did a match that showed that like in this case like if Kevin Owen just doesn't want to punch his dude in the nose like a hundred times then I'm like maybe it didn't match the storytelling so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do hope it is a brawl.
[SPEAKER_01]: They I mean he had it with with Drew and Helmsel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like the best
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and just pointed out our our wage stalemate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that you know what, it might have been because Kevin said it was 20 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I may not have gone back far now when I was trying to figure this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good that's a good pull from Aunt there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm looking at right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He rep Kevin's Dean wrestling the opener against Wardell Walker.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Monk really really told him that he should have been on the other side of the barricade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And CM Punk wrestled Mike Cruel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not heard that name in a long time with Jay Chung, which is a name.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Prince Nautum.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you know, yeah, so I guess he was part of the embassy and yeah, and awesome areas was a world champion this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this must have been during, that's right after he punk lost the title of the areas, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he must have been doing like spot shows for them or something, but yeah, I could see punk in 2005 when he's ready to go to WWE just having a big hand and, you know, just deciding to pick on some fat rookie, you know, like that totally is on brand for Phil.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, next topic, and you know, well, I'm sure we'll talk about this more because the Mexican happened on Friday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So next topic is the G1.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to watch the I didn't this is, you know, this is the first G1 in forever that I didn't watch any of the cards.
[SPEAKER_00]: I waited until the very end to watch the two semi finals in the final match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched every single match
[SPEAKER_00]: And final is amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I almost feel like people are underselling how good it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's even better if you've been watching the tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: because the fin, the match was a direct playoff of everything that happened in the tournament leading up to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you got a bit of that in the semi finals.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Walker and Chris Charlton are the best team out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they mean they, even if you didn't see it, they told the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you didn't really need to see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I know my favorite part was in the main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's up?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, in the final.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's right before they go to the finishing sequence with the submission.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we, uh, hits the left handed clothes line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: On, uh, you, you, you, you Mura.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, one of my pet peeves is when you do the three count and the wrestler who's has to kick out is like staring at the referee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he was glassy eyed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The kick out, I bid on it, because it was like, oh, wait, like he looks like he's knocked out and then he's still kicked out and like that's the really, really like good stuff that and the way he fell and even the way that we were reacted when he hit him with it, like he was almost out of it, like these these two guys gave like everything they had.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, and again, it was a perfect, like, oh, we started doing this headlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't right at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was maybe three or four matches in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just kept at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he, you know, at the beginning, it was like, you know, he wasn't getting any reaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he in, like, that thing was the most overhauled.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a freaking headlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I mean, he's got, he's got the perfect build for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that thing, he looks like he killed you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and yeah, and it's, it's something and it was a right choice, you know, I was I didn't know who was winning like I only watched it today.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still watched the rest of the show, but I didn't know who had won and I was hoping OE would win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted Suji to win the tournament, but when he lost in the semifinals then it was like, okay, they got to put OE over and I know that a lot of people really like OE mora.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you may remember, like, I've been whenever I'm talking New Japan with Dave, I always bring up real way you owe you up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when when they announced the G1 field and he wasn't in it, I was like, what are they doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why is it real in this tournament?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dave is like, yeah, I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: stupid you've got you know whoever what you like Sonata in it and Jake Lee and you know where's who you want and then you have to play in it was such a great story like from playing to play off and then he wins the thing like it is oh it's great it was great story telling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I after that match was over and you know the let's actually talk about
[SPEAKER_00]: there were some folks and I think this was the immediate reaction and I think there are some folks who may not be as into maybe that high spot style that seems to dominate wrestling today and they were like look at what these guys can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: and it was all on the mat and it was all submissions and it was all selling and it was all brawling and nobody needed to do hurricane rana's or dives to the floor or you know moon salts or x-winesy power bombs through tables you know and and that that was the conversations like look at the compelling story that you can tell when you don't do all of those things
[SPEAKER_00]: which I thought was a very interesting thought and because the U and I and John the Rock and I have had this conversation before where I've said you have the extreme style, which is the AWS style and then you have the extreme styling the other day, other side, which is the WWE style, like find me something that is a little bit closer to the middle, though, maybe leaning more towards the AWS style.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, man, like, that match was kind of what I was what I've been looking for all of this time, however, you can't only do that style, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, it's it's unique and those guys can do it and can be compelling and believable, but if you have, let's say, um, who's my guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: who's the guy that always make fun of for clapping over his head on the drop kick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, um, I'm trying to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, uh, yeah, I know who you talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Air Fox.
[SPEAKER_00]: Air Fox.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if they are fox had a match.
[SPEAKER_00]: where he was heavily grappling and he was not doing his high flying stuff it would not be good like he is much better Yeah, doing the style that he does even if I'm not a giant fan of his like I know there's tons of giant fans of his You have to have a very specific type of wrestler
[SPEAKER_00]: to do that style.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was amazing, but I don't think that that match is changing the business in any way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, well, I like styles necessarily going to take a step back because these guys were so tremendous on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it may not change the business on its own, but what it may do is cause people in the business to think of things differently and realize that you can do a match like this in the right atmosphere and it works and and the guys like, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: and it would be freaking great probably if they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, like, they might look at something like this and decide, hey, we can incorporate some of this stuff into our matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I could see Kenny in particular, you know, wanting to do that, especially with, you know, him probably not having a lot of years left, but he could do a match like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He may want to go to New Japan and work, like programs with these guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy that does it, the best, wasn't in the final in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Yoda Suji, because he did this whole tournament like was his job as a world champion, was to set up these younger guys for title shots.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he almost every match he had in this tournament was like almost as good as the match you saw on the semi finals like that's what that's what he was doing All tournament long either he won or he lost, but at the end of the match the guy he was in the ring with was more over than he was when he started Because Yoda Suji gets it and I'm a I love Kenny Omega.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love will ask for a love Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love CM Punk
[SPEAKER_01]: Yoda Suji is the best guy going right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in my opinion like he's he's got it like in terms of what a world champion supposed to be and I don't like not a lot of people are watching New Japan and may not see it and or even understand what I understand that's not the right way to put it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to sound like pretentious.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like if you're not watching it, you don't know and and that's what he's doing because that's what he needs to do because right now they're in a rebuilding phase and you had two new guys in the finals here and they had a great match like you know best match in the tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the best match of the year in New Japan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was either that or Tonahashi and Dakota at the dome.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, that you're almost can't even count that because it's a one time thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't you can't replicate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and then now the one thing I didn't like, I don't like him challenging in October.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want I want the G1 winner to challenge at the Tokyo dome, but this seems to be what they're doing these days.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I see only downside to what they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now here's the other question because this is really the only thing that matters this thing could be great people can be so happy But it's really what happens next at matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, are these guys Made to take it to the next level because if you believe Yoda Suji is the best wrestler or the best champion going I don't think majority of people are
[SPEAKER_00]: are feeling like they have to watch New Japan in order to see this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So something has not connected yet, but now you have two other guys who were put over in this tournament as possible contenders.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you kind of wanna see the rise of both of them now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that, you know, Shota was hurt before the tournament right at the beginning of the tournament.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he wasn't able to show his stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so you had these younger guys,
[SPEAKER_00]: If those guys are connecting and they feel more important, I am going to be more inclined to watch the shows again moving forward because I haven't been maybe for like two years, really, that I haven't really locked in on New Japan outside of the Tokyo Dom show.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that, like, I don't know the answer to that, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are many things that have to happen in order for those guys to be taken seriously and to raise the level of New
[SPEAKER_00]: But, man, if I could see matches like that, that are different from AEW, that are different from WWE, and yet are still impactful and still meaningful and are kind of rising, raising the level of New Japan, I will go out of my way to make the time to watch the stuff because that is the stuff that is my favorite stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, when you talk about connecting like it's there's two different audiences, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's whether it's working for the live audiences in Japan and the people watching on New Japan world in Japan, but also in the North American sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's going to be really difficult to recapture what they had in 2014 when you had Tana Hashis still this peak.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had a caught arising.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had can you make a rising.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had Willos spray rising.
[SPEAKER_01]: at a time when WWE was the only thing going in North America.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you had New Japan with all that talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you also had people looking for an alternative.
[SPEAKER_01]: And right now, I'm not sure that there's a ton of people in North America that are looking for an alternative.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're a wrestling fan, you're probably getting what you like from either a, w, or w, w.
[SPEAKER_00]: watching to and what if one of those is not fulfilling the risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's a case, then, you know, and that's probably people like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the question is how many of them are there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it enough to cause some sort of renaissance of New Japan in this market, like we had in the mid 2010s, or is it just going to be a few more people watching the show?
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a little more buzz in our circle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we may get that because I'm looking
[SPEAKER_01]: Suji is Okada.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he was Tanahashi.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he more is kind of like a shabada, maybe, or Nakamura.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so, you know, I'm trying to make these parallels.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got, you know, the completely other guys, like your Gabe kids and your Kalimnumans and
[SPEAKER_01]: and all that that are going to do a different style.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can watch a new Japan show and you can see the brawling.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see the technical wrestling with his axe Abraham Jr. And where you can see like your main event, World Title match with Yoda Suji and whoever he's in there with, or if a wheel wins the belt, you know him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a wheel winning the belt, it may be the way to go, and certainly if he's got them momentum, he's got to be like, someone like you is into a way, and if he has a match like they had on the semi final, if they do that in the world title match, then now you're invested, and now you want to see him against the other top stars in New Japan.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, or you may look at a sugy in a different way and say, hey, I like this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I do like him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't really watch his.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's go far like he had man.
[SPEAKER_01]: The match he had was Sonata was a freaking miracle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Sonata is shot and they had like I imagine it was damn near like
[SPEAKER_01]: is better than just about anything you've seen in WWE all year, you know, like, and it's with Sonata.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you think, see him punk his shot, like, Sonata's got nothing left.
[SPEAKER_01]: And only Bolton is another one that I'm excited about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he wrestled completely different tournament matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like knocking guys out with power bombs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it was, it was a pretty fun tournament, you know, overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, but not it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most people aren't sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like me and, or, and Jeremy, and I have the time to
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not stop watching WWE obviously, so I, but it would be me making time to watch the some of these new Japan shows that I have just been skipping because I'm like products is cold to me, but there was something in that finale where I was like, well, that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, if I could watch this, I'd be way more into the wrestling matches today than I could.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, you know, in the G1, it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's format four or five matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like maybe an hour, hour and a half, you know, so it's like half of watching a baseball game.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not that bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's move on to our next topic, which is about this continental cup challenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I were going back and forth in Slack and I was like, should we talk about this, shouldn't I was like, and you know what shows call take down?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a take.
[SPEAKER_00]: want and you know you come back and have a take and don't suck have a take and don't suck and you have a take about the continental cup challenge that differs from mine but I think it's relevant but why don't you go ahead and kind of explain what you feel is missing from this from this tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like so my so I think like the whole concept first of all like is I just wasn't a big fan of it in the first place like so at the my very first reaction was okay, why is this even for the continental title like why why not just make it for the TNT title and have it be the turner cup.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I realized, oh, okay, it's not just the continental cup you just said it's the continental challenge cup and I figured out oh yeah continental challenge cup C three I figured that out about
[SPEAKER_01]: five minutes before they started pounding it into our heads.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is on collision, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you may not have seen it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it was last week's collision, I didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The week of force collision.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, they started it the week before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they did it this week as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just the C3, the C3, the C3, which to me is like, OK, you're making it like you're kind of pairing it with the C2, which is something that AWS does.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, that's something they originated in North America.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously their version of the G1, but it's something that has really been embraced by a W fans and something that people look forward to every year, and it's probably the best tournament
[SPEAKER_01]: that, you know, of its type that has ever been done in North America, you know, you've got and it's not always like the top 12 guys in the company, but it's 12 really good wrestlers wrestling matches against each other and just tearing the house down.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whether or not you think and sometimes we'll look at the fields at the beginning and you'll be like, yeah, really like orange cascades in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rod or strong, you know, it's like, you know, but me, but then they start wrestling and you're like, oh shit, okay, I'm here.
[SPEAKER_01]: These matches are great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: These matches have not been great in the C3.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is on paper, they look good, but they're just not clicking.
[SPEAKER_01]: The spline draw aspect of it just kind of makes it, I don't want to say it's comedy, but other you, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and what is my comeback and that it's the same thing that happens in a row, rumble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes and no, I mean, okay, the day that I can pick every single royal rumble entrance in order, you know, and like I literally, when this tournament started and we saw the first round matches, I'm like, okay, this guy, this guy, these guys are all going to win and then these are who they're going to face each other in the second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are what's going to be in the third round and then this is going to be the final.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, obviously we're not there yet, but I literally picked every single quarter final match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than I had thinly beating Jay White, but the winner was going to face mocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, and so like, it's just logical booking.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in that sense, why not just make it a tournament with brackets?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why do you need to call it a blind draw and then do a blind
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think fans like it when they can sort of figure out where things are going, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, sure, but it's not blind.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why not just put a bribe together?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it would never be blind, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, but if you, let's say you did the, let's say you did the, what's the biggest tournament in North America every year?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like in, in sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: the biggest tournament, it's pretty obvious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if the end stop lays out a blind draw, I don't think it would be as it would be fun because it would actually be blind.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at the brackets, people that are dialed into the NCAA, they're looking and they're saying, oh, what are we gonna get in the second round?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are we gonna in the third round?
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have done that with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have put moxley and Nigel on opposite sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have had Eddie on the bottom bracket.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you like, oh, we might get a semi-finals with moxley and Eddie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could have done all that instead you're calling it a blind draw and then just doing that anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we talked about wide.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony didn't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't like he doesn't like put this stuff out on and the other vision and then in the case of someone getting hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it gives him a little bit more leeway, which who knows what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which was like, what was that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I guess maybe they thought he was hurt and he's not or yeah, I mean, you know, injuries are going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and how many injuries are going to happen to where you're like, okay, that person is out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, um, they're questionable.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know, but I think I watched a match and I thought Shabada was the one that was hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and it was, that match was, I mean, it was, it ended up being a good match, but man, they had some issues in the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, but yeah, it was, and so like I'm just like, I don't know, I'm like, if you wanted to do moxley and Nigel, I feel like you could have just, and that's where I think it's heading, um, you could have just done a storyline where maybe Nigel goes to will.
[SPEAKER_01]: and says, Hey, you know, like, can you help me with this guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you know them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe you have Nigel wrestling members of the death writers on on the lead up to to Wembley and then he gets mocked the at Wembley like something like that, you know, what about a little bit of juice and it would have been more focused on Nigel, whereas in this case, you got all these people like I don't all these, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it just me or like is there a lot of people out for some reason want Jay White to win this thing like I don't know I just don't see it Like I don't know I don't know what it is, but you have to beat mocks to see Jay White as the only Sort of non midcarder and the whole thing really I guess Claudio too
[SPEAKER_01]: And the guy who could level up to the main event and that's that's probably what they're seeing well see and I I just I just don't see it with him not right now I I don't awesome if we had the new Japan version of J was yeah well in the fan the problem is the fans haven't accepted him at that level yet either at least not right now so but yeah so I think like when you say that and you look at who's all left.
[SPEAKER_01]: None of them are main adventures.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the only thing to me is a logical story is Nigel getting the title shot at Wembley.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think maybe maybe he's going to win maybe he's going to lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before the tournament started, I thought there were four compelling possibilities for Moxley.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eddie Kingston because he's always going to be a compelling person, but I didn't think Eddie Kingston was going to wrestle three matches in this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because he's, you know, he's beat up.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other person was Jay White.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now they're doing this match in the second round.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other person was Claudio and the other person was Nigel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought those were four folks, so he's had an opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're probably gonna get two of them, like two more of them, you know, would be my guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's either, it's either gonna be Eddie or Claudio in the second round and I pick Claudio.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then it would be in the, or no, I had Eddie, I pay Eddie.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'd get John and Eddie in the semis and on the other side, it would be Nigel and whoever's left, OC, you know, Orange Cassidy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I feel like I know our friend Kevin Ely thinks, Orange is going to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he thinks he's going to beat Mox and I guess, yeah, I guess it's for because he's
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I love Kevin, but I just feel like sometimes people read too much into some things that maybe just be completely random, you know, like, oh, they're just coming out of the wrong tunnel, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, you just came out of the wrong tunnel at day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, my take on the thing is I think it was created for two reasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them was whatever match they're doing at Wembley, they want the compelling story going into Wembley.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's going to be Nigel, I think that's an easy one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I necessarily have ever wanted to see Nigel and John Moxley Russell, but I'm not going to be blinded.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of do just because they have that upside down clothes I think they both do.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other reason is that in the build to all in,
[SPEAKER_00]: you can't waste all the matches that they were doing over the summer because you don't want guys to get hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you put on this tournament, which takes up a lot of those matches on television, the other matches can be stuff like they're doing with the six the six men tags on Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then also the women.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it takes up most of the matches on television.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was fine with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when we saw the people who were in it, I was like, OK, it's a midcard tournament and moxley.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what it was to me from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my expectations were actually quite low because I was like, OK, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's needs matches for TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: these are all the guys who don't really have compelling stories for the paper view.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them will get on the paper view for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see about the rest of them, but that's what it was and it was just to, you know, once you saw the field, it was like, okay, these are all midcarders.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not the continental classic because the continental classic you're getting much higher on the card type of talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, not the whole field, but certainly more than one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I usually, it's, there was 12 people in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So usually there's like four that are really high, four that are kind of upper mid, and then four that are, they're there to go oh and five, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, or one and four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I guess if you're looking at it that way, I can see, you know, where you're coming from, I guess for me, because they're calling it the C3, I guess I just had higher expectations and I really kind of thought that these guys, you know, even though maybe they're not that high on the card, like they are capable of having better matches than what they've been having and I'm not sure the reason why part of it's the crowds, you know, like, I mean, that Vegas crowd was not good and, you know, and then in, you know, at Dave would have called that fake Vegas crowd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fed brain brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's just loving that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what all over the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, yeah, so yeah, you know, how I feel about that and call it e-brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, just eight when you call it a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for now, no things JY should win.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, hey, you know what, and I remember, let's somebody I respect a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jack Perry should be mocked.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, people want to see mocked movies like they really do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if if the idea is, we want JY to be a guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: beating moxley would be the best way to get him to that level.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, okay, so then what then we're going to get J White against Orange Cassidy for the international title, and I don't think it's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what's moxley going to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to go in the gauntlet, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I, you know, I figure a lot of the guys that I've been losing in this tournament are probably going to end up in the gauntlet.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe we'll get some returns, Josh Alexander.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would expect.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, and then few others.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so you have buddy Matthews anybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what his name is?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember is it Murphy or Matthews I can't remember
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the, yeah, forget it's Matt.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about Alexander?
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been talking about Alexander, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you just said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you had to Sarah is the one that, in a read a Mexico after his match.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, oh, Josh, I'll then just be back soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I assume that'll be a, had to Sarah and Brian Cage was a fun match in a way.
[SPEAKER_00]: because I never expected Brian Cage's giant body to be tied up in so many different ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was, and I mean, I kind of knew Hichesar was going to win because I kind of knew we were going to get Hichesar and Nigel in the next round, yeah, which is I'm sure a match had both those guys want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Nigel is different.
[SPEAKER_01]: like Nigel is a guy that could would freaking love to go and wrestle match with we more or you like that you know those would be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you saw Zack Saber I was watching Zack Saber at ringside watching that match.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in heaven watching those two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well then OEWA that was OEWA was dream match for Tokyo Dome, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Zack Saber.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and I'm sure we more as well, you know, even though they're not in the thing, but yeah, oh, you guys like, exact little brother like in storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, yeah, so yeah, yeah, I was just, I was, I was getting to kick out of watch and Zach watch that match because he was just hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heterocero and Zach Saber Jr. wrestled in San Jose.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I actually left early because I was so uncomfortable at that show because it was my knees were killing me because where we were sitting was that the new potential?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were sitting on the the elevated deck, but right in the first row and the the guard thing was so tight on my knees and I was just not having it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I left a little early during that match.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the style, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that kind of style.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, this isn't something that is that interesting to me because it feels like it was something that was put together specifically for the the Wembley show for the live crowd.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, again, like I understand it, but I'm not going to be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to see,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then, you know, I think you tied in that, you know, FFA challenge cup or whatever, like you just got the idea, hey, let's do the C3 and he builds a trophy that looks exactly like that soccer one and blind draw and single elimination and all that so and maybe if it works, then maybe they'll do it again next year and make the field a little bit stronger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or, you know, I'd be fine with them dropping it to a little bit of foresight, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know when he decided that this was going to happen, but it did feel a little kind of late game.
[SPEAKER_01]: The weird thing, they trademarked it in March.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, now the question is, was that the original idea?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard differing opinions on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes a little bit more sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: if the C2 is in, it starts like early December or late November.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, late November, it's usually after full-year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So theoretically, this should be more towards the middle of the year if you want it to do like a yearly thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they've already got the two, oh, in turn, and they got the whole one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, maybe it was for the women and he was going to call it the C Cup.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for Megan Bain, okay, okay, let's get to the last thing, which is the stuff that happened on Rod Monday, you know, I kind of liked the luchimatches on the show, would you have it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I haven't.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was fast forwarding because I was trying to find the chatgable match and it was like, oh, this is like luchinite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was a lot it looked like there was something involving Lyra, I can't remember who she was wrestling, but other than that, it was a little she wrestled, she wrestled, so Ruka.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was better than it has been for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lyra's been killing her on main event by the way, but I'm the only person I watch is that I just don't like the new character.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's weird, but she's making it work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's interacting with the fans, which is really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's just really good, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the character that she's doing feels feels like NXT to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so so the ramesterio and Chad Gable match was like my favorite thing on Ron.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how long That was great from a wrestling perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's been and your funny is you recommended it and I was watching it and like I got the full match So I'm watching because for whatever reason Netflix didn't skip the commercial like they normally do and so I'm watching it and at the beginning as I add this is fine
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets it's got and then just kept getting better and better and then by the end it's holy shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not it's not what I expect when I watch Raw.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and and and hold it at colon graves did a hell of a job to like I thought colds not always good.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he's usually not, but he was really good in this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the main event angle was solo being delivered to Roman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know what being delivered to Roman actually meant, but I mean, they literally brought him to the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they delivered him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roman took him out and then he gave the Ulyfala to his cousins.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he came back happy about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, Jacob took him out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then he was out for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob's in the corner, just watching everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just kind of taking inventory.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Roman is has solo, because LA night comes in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so LA night comes in like a goofball man.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he had to be in there for this whole thing to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm looking at the student going, brother, you are
[SPEAKER_00]: thought to get your ass kicked and that that was kind of the theme of the night because same thing happened with Stephanie Vicarre where she's we're live and her crew are there and Stephanie's like yeah all three of you come right in this ring and they're like okay and then they just beat her up and then she complained about it after I was like what are you complaining about you you dared them to come in the ring get some friends so so Jacob beats up solo
[SPEAKER_00]: Then, then LA night, then solo is supposed to pop LA night and instead he pops a Roman and Roman cells for it, gigantic.
[SPEAKER_00]: That crowd is going nuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Solo was awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like if this was a different version of WWE, I would have felt
[SPEAKER_00]: The star is born kind of like, but I just don't trust necessarily that they think of solo like that, but anyway, so he pops Roman and then alienite gets his and alienite gets hits from his finisher and so they end the night with solo and alienite kind of standing tall as they walk out of the ring and Jacob just kind of let some go and so.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel like eventually Jacob will turn as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't seem to be happening any time soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: But our top two baby faces on the raw side today are LA night in Solosicoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think so, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Oba.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oba, but he's not in the main event angles.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's doing something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, because Roman, I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's weird because he didn't really turn.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just he kind of same with a famous punk like they're just playing versions of their real character, but I think I don't know I think punk is still a baby face because I have a basis just call really nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: baby faces, fat slubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but he's not really doing that with any other baby faces.
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman is an asshole to everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and in here, he was just like he literally turned on his own cousin and beat the crap out of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, while all his, all his other family members
[SPEAKER_01]: like it doesn't get much more healers and the fans were booing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the other key.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, nobody's booing Owens or Kevin.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're choosing sides, but they're not really booing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They booed all Roman.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, in that sense, it worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like we're heading to a like him defending against both guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've done triple threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so you're going to double these are going to stack both of them again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope not, but I mean, they've done that before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it feels like this is like it kind of reminds me of, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... an area you remember really well like early like two thousand too i want to say uh... you know at right after the and uh... or was it two thousand one i think is it a bit of a jerecome been well yeah yeah kind of you know a little bit like that press actually talked about that on the show i did i listen to the interview yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't mean he just talked about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that show, by the way, um, I, yeah, that's a last thing I listen to on the F4W podcasting and then I switched over to the 50 sports podcast I have to listen to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to be like a month behind when I get back to F4W, but yeah, it, um, no, I, but then, and I think triple H, I mean, he's a booker now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he probably remembers that period pretty fondly, but Jericho said how shitty it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think it was shitty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he hated it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He won.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jericho himself hated it because
[SPEAKER_00]: He thought the psychology was idiotic for the up-and-coming baby faces to have the two-on-one advantage against Austin and not win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I work because it ended up elevated both of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's because Austin was so over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I remember it working.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, he's literally on the show set.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what he said.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't agree with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not good for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, they both ended up bigger stars coming out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's wrong in that sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he, I mean, you know, things weren't perfect for him those first few years, but yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you should read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should reread his book.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's pretty crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: rereading it with 20 some years of hindsight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that first book now is what 15 years old, eh?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I only go bread the first one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't read the next two.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both good because they talk about a lot of the things that went into those stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I did read the second one now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They think about it because the first one ended when he debuted in WWE, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I definitely read the second one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I remember him talking about all the troubles he had with, you know, the lock room and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: as a number one contender, and he's Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Me neither.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Solo, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you will buy even though they showed us where Roman beat bumps on solo on the first Netflix.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just flat out, pinned them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've put that was he was he wasn't as over then as he is now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I put it this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I buy him more than I buy L a night.
[SPEAKER_00]: because I'm guessing as we get to survivor series, that's gonna be the very face team, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But you would think, yeah, and maybe they, you know, each side's probably gonna add somebody.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to see LA night get some big wins before this Roman match.
[SPEAKER_00]: It may be it only needs to be one, but I don't know who he beats.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I probably probably both use those.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not big enough, because they're kind of joky kind of like, I don't want them to beat Jacob, but he has to get a win like that for anybody to think that he's going to beat him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the roster though, who else could he beat?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that means anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that that's a problem right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is is he's going to beat someone like dumb and we're supposed to believe that that's going to be enough or you know, uh, I don't even know Jay Dee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, like, yeah, it's I mean, yeah, that's the next level, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, there's nobody else after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they're getting, do you think they're trying to get big casts to the Roman level?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, I mean, it'll take a will see on the show on to see on the show last night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he does something on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, that's I mean, that's definitely a guy that
[SPEAKER_01]: Six months to a year from now it's probably getting a world title shot at some point if they keep up the way they're going and he's doing a good job like from what I've seen so far, you know, I like I definitely worry on the personality front for him, though, he probably needs a mouthpiece, you know, or or or a sidepiece, what are the two is that correct in my allowed to say that on side piece.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's okay, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, especially probably because I just started watching the missy height dark side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So far.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's it's missy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm I'm a little behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I because we only get them like the orange door for episode is airing tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're getting we get them like a week behind and then I watch a week after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like two weeks behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been enjoying them this year so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're going to they're going to need to do some things with both of these guys for and I will I will say I will say both shows right now feel hotter than they have in a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, not they're not to the level they were in, you know, before last year's mania or anything like that, I feel like.
[SPEAKER_00]: parts of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel are good because definitely the pumpkin and Kevin thing, even though if I don't like all of it, like I'm seeing the crowd reacting to that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I know coming Kevin is Randy and Cody.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's Gunther and Sammy and Finn like, you know, they're they're over.
[SPEAKER_01]: The women on the SmackDown side, you know, like it's not well, they're trying with Chelsea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but well, yeah, yeah, I love that Chelsea stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I know you didn't like it as much as I was like it wasn't that I didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just yeah, I was just like oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so over the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but again the crowd reacted to her big time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if I like Nick all this the Jade stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a fan of I guess I just don't also just don't like Nick all this being a simp for the woman in parallel or whatever I just
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I did like the button she pushed to get him to react the way he did like you you get it like you You know, you didn't want this taken away from you, and I don't want this taken away from me So I kind of like what they did there But to Fernando said that he had a crush on Missy height when he was in high school I would say who didn't by the way who did well me because we didn't get her well Yeah, if you were to see her you would have hi me it was it was it was Medusa
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, because that's who we got in the WA, um, and man, like compared to the other, like, if you watch wrestling in the, what about, what about, uh, Kashari was right before Medusa?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kashari was was right close, you know, close.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, Kashari was like, kind of like the trashy version, um, whereas, you know, Medusa was like, oh my god, like, you know, that's like, off a music video.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and if I would have saw Missy, like, oh,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I did eventually see her like when I started watching UWF in like 8788 and she was with Eddie Gilbert hot stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was hot stuff for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I may or may not have thrown a few bucks to that website too.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that website you've been called?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm I haven't finished Western Vixens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't finished the episode I'm sure they talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have I have the DVD.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh You're weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have you're hiding that one from your wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's in care Oh, right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I you know, I'm it's not like I'm going stepping out or anything What was I gonna say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know who I met Missy with?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Blance, Ed and San Antonio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Ed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, so I will say this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to wrestle con that year and my whole intent on paying to get into wrestle con was because I wanted to meet Missing Hyatt because I knew she was there, but she wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she was there, but at the time I was there, she wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I knew Ed and I kind of knew you a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I I really wish I could have met Missy like and I've talked to online and stuff, but I never got to meet her and that's like I'd love to meet her and I know enough people that know her that I should be able to meet her at some point, but
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they'd have ever happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, so I met her at one of the hotels, I said, Ed, like, new her through social media or maybe Ed did met her in person before, but I saw him go over there, so I was like, oh, I'm gonna piggyback this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, be ready, Ed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wrote about that whole weekend in my blog, but the old fight game media website doesn't exist anymore, but in the same way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so I wrote about what it was like meeting her after being so enamored with her as a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she commented on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's so she's she's she's she's she's she's
[SPEAKER_01]: I did, I did get to meet Jeff Jarrett that weekend, which was one of my, one of my all-time favorites going up, and so that was, he was drinking, though, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm not, I mean, he may have been at the time, but he was, you know, he seems sober when I, when I met him, and I had a nice conversation with Shane Douglas, who was a favorite of mine, because there was nobody at his table.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't hate, but I just went and chatted and then freaking Matt striker just never leaves me alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, whenever I see him, he just finds me and wants to talk baseball and hockey.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the first time I met him, I was wearing a jet jersey.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was an old school one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he is like, Oh, could shook great, you know, and then we just hit it up and then he's recognized me every time since I've been like, spare four times that's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he's a good guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he gets a bad reputation for his commentating, but I enjoy talking to fantasy baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a big fantasy baseball guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it when the wrestling guys are like, do other like normal things that we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I missed promise Thomas.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, Fernando said he wish he met Missy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But comment, maybe one of these days for Nando.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, maybe maybe we'll, we'll all go to Vegas as Jeff Hawkins would say she still is her fastball.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll go to Vegas for one of the F4W conventions in Fernando can come and we'll go find Missy so for Nando here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be it from here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next week we will have some, I guess what we'll know what happens with Cody and KO.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it will be the two paper views this weekend too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what are they?
[SPEAKER_01]: ROH and TNA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well that's your beat, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there's gonna be nothing to talk about now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But next week will be the goal for all in, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be previewing all in with we may have, I think we may get some surprises tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like I have a feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I've heard anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just having a feeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we might get Gabe kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how big that is, but cause some people will be big.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe probably some strong new day hints.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hope so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you on this decide of whether or not you promote them yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, I, I think you, I think you just do the, like the, you promote them, but like by giving a really strong hint that it's bloody obvious what it is, like swirfs says, you know, like, I got partners don't you worry it's a new day or something like that, you know, like he doesn't have to, he might get sued for that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, or, you know, what's that, whatever the gimmick that they're using on mind, uh, uh, new horizon or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't watch any of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch that video, but, uh, you know, people are raving about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever the thing is, or, you know, or even says, you know, oh, I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, maybe it's time for a new house.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so like that, you know, and then, you know, you get people, like, and I got two friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, and, uh, and I like it when they do stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: like I know Dave wants them to promote because he thinks it'll sell some more paper views and it'll sell more tickets in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It probably will.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for the moment, I think the surprise is the thing that you remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really don't think they're going to sell very many tickets at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, it's not like they're even going to sell like 500.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think they would sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they would sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think there's 500 people out there that would buy tickets because they're going to be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That wouldn't already think that they might be there anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see the leaning more towards WWE fans than AEW fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking for that late in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe tickets go on sale a little bit and, you know, that they just kind of want to be there to see the new day show up or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that you'd get that either way, like put just by strongly hinting it as opposed to like blatantly advertising.
[SPEAKER_01]: Put it this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they were gonna blatantly advertise, I think you're better off just to do the straight match, like the three on three, as opposed to having it be a three way three on three.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you are gonna advertise them, then just do good to bad in the ugly against swirvin' the new day.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, as opposed to putting the demand in there, like I just think that the animal springs it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then one of the gates of agony doesn't get to get pinned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, Brody's right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can take the pin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I wonder, uh, it might be Bailey actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's speedboat?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not in the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, Bandito.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Bandito or Brody would have been one of the bandito's, Bandito's wrestling on the R wage paper year this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's wrestling, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the lethal twist, who we just saw lose on collision is wrestling for the trio's titles on the R-H's paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, that's a telling you.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch a W and you watch our OH, you have to be almost impervious to kind of seeing those guys on bullshows.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just have to be okay with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's kind of like watching the San Francisco Giants and then watching the Giants minor leaders.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, okay, they're going to get struck out in the major leagues, but they might hit a home run in the minors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next week for Paul.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm WGC when we see you piece out.