WEBVTT 00:02.760 --> 00:11.461 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to spend, from common lives, and you're listening, listening, to listening, to the high-carum podcasts. 00:20.705 --> 00:22.726 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome everyone to the carbon podcast. 00:23.086 --> 00:27.729 [SPEAKER_02]: We got our episodes a little drumpled when I came back from the US. 00:27.789 --> 00:30.370 [SPEAKER_02]: We had a guest that couldn't make it on another day. 00:30.430 --> 00:31.370 [SPEAKER_02]: So we moved to my head. 00:32.031 --> 00:33.852 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys have already heard that those trooper knives. 00:34.312 --> 00:36.313 [SPEAKER_02]: Very good episode. 00:36.393 --> 00:40.355 [SPEAKER_02]: We definitely haven't back on again, but this episode is the three of us. 00:40.375 --> 00:42.156 [SPEAKER_02]: We got Pauli and Albert with me tonight. 00:42.236 --> 00:42.896 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello guys. 00:43.256 --> 00:43.456 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks. 00:43.476 --> 00:43.877 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks. 00:44.717 --> 00:49.079 [SPEAKER_02]: So, how have you guys this week been going or do you want me to start? 00:49.439 --> 00:50.360 [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead, please. 00:50.720 --> 01:01.405 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually have some cool, we had Logan Province, so he was on the show a little while back and he got a grinder and he got a forge. 01:02.545 --> 01:23.008 [SPEAKER_02]: from us and he's got a VFD on it and he was at somebody's shop and they were showing him how to shop on the grinder and he messaged me because he wanted an off-use able to run his grinder in reverse also and some of these Chinese VFDs I don't know why but they don't have a reverse button on it's pretty. 01:23.468 --> 01:42.318 [SPEAKER_02]: a pretty useful button, but this one had something, it's labeled MFK, and with that button, you can run the motor, only while you're pushing the button, so you push and hold it, and like the drug motor, I guess it's useful if you're doing some machine work or something with that motor or with that VFT, but, um, 01:43.059 --> 01:59.507 [SPEAKER_02]: I sent him some instructions and I know a lot of knife makers and probably a lot of our listeners probably couldn't have handled it but he was able to reprogram that button so that you can use it as a reverse so he's going to start to learn how to sharpen on his build brand. 01:59.667 --> 02:01.088 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I've never even tried before. 02:01.368 --> 02:03.369 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys sharpen on your grinder at all? 02:03.770 --> 02:04.950 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, all the time. 02:05.390 --> 02:05.590 [SPEAKER_03]: No. 02:06.411 --> 02:08.172 [SPEAKER_01]: I, oh wait, I did. 02:08.292 --> 02:09.312 [SPEAKER_01]: But I ran it forward. 02:11.747 --> 02:11.927 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 02:12.627 --> 02:13.107 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't. 02:13.847 --> 02:14.368 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't dream. 02:14.388 --> 02:15.148 [SPEAKER_02]: I use my tommack. 02:15.488 --> 02:19.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Why did you run a photo when you read it down? 02:19.489 --> 02:20.509 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't care. 02:23.069 --> 02:24.109 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care about my health. 02:25.350 --> 02:26.250 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that scary. 02:26.630 --> 02:27.410 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine. 02:27.770 --> 02:30.271 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, why would you, I mean, depends. 02:30.351 --> 02:31.411 [SPEAKER_01]: Depends how you are sharpening. 02:31.471 --> 02:37.352 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are using a rotary plighten, a like a hardbacking, 02:42.033 --> 02:43.794 [SPEAKER_01]: First wheel and the platform. 02:44.194 --> 02:50.197 [SPEAKER_01]: Very safe if you are using extreme slack then maybe with I don't And not scary. 02:51.017 --> 02:51.518 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not scary. 02:52.298 --> 02:59.861 [SPEAKER_02]: What about holding like a block of wood that's wrapped in leather behind the slack belt Well, you're grinding You're pulling punches. 03:00.302 --> 03:03.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god Hello, just go all right in yourself. 03:04.744 --> 03:05.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway. 03:05.184 --> 03:07.225 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, forget about the skip over that 03:08.586 --> 03:14.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I also bought tickets I'm going to go to the GDC convention, so German daily carry. 03:14.210 --> 03:22.236 [SPEAKER_02]: That's August 29th, so in like two weeks in Munich, I think it's, this will be the third year that they're doing it. 03:22.957 --> 03:24.338 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of still small. 03:24.458 --> 03:25.999 [SPEAKER_02]: I talked to a few people that went before. 03:26.680 --> 03:28.981 [SPEAKER_02]: They said it's about 400 visitors or so. 03:37.848 --> 03:47.334 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, a couple of other guys, but should be cool to see all the full of the stuff, it's kind of like a different Different atmosphere than the shows that I usually go to, but we'll see. 03:48.075 --> 03:48.895 [SPEAKER_03]: Is that a knife show? 03:49.936 --> 03:50.316 [SPEAKER_02]: knife show. 03:50.336 --> 03:50.516 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:50.596 --> 03:54.879 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like it's in like a pretty small setting um, I don't know. 03:54.899 --> 04:03.825 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll look pretty rustic inside a lot of wooden stuff like that and they have like a section with a flea market section so you can go out and like if you've got knives or folding knives and stuff 04:07.667 --> 04:18.591 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I should be cool, small show, but I'm going to go see who we can meet up there, maybe make some deals and meet some new people that are into the folder market. 04:19.351 --> 04:29.615 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, we've got some intro videos for the edge of hope, which I will be posting probably the beginning of next month, so we've got 20 guys again this year. 04:30.875 --> 04:32.836 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's like four or five people have done already. 04:33.876 --> 04:42.526 [SPEAKER_02]: But we'll start introducing those and hopefully get some pictures of the knives and progress and finish picks and stuff like that because time is running out. 04:42.566 --> 04:43.387 [SPEAKER_02]: Show will be here. 04:43.988 --> 04:45.269 [SPEAKER_02]: Next show, Astro will be here soon. 04:45.670 --> 04:46.751 [SPEAKER_02]: It is May. 04:47.772 --> 04:49.234 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, October 24th and 25th this year. 04:52.730 --> 04:53.391 [SPEAKER_02]: that will be cool. 04:53.831 --> 05:02.178 [SPEAKER_02]: We got our own little booth and some prizes to give up for the best knife maker and it's going to be cool, sure. 05:02.238 --> 05:05.500 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious to see what the turnout will be this year at the show. 05:06.481 --> 05:07.482 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys both have a table. 05:09.275 --> 05:12.537 [SPEAKER_02]: You already did planned and got your hotel room all set up. 05:13.137 --> 05:13.637 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 05:14.878 --> 05:15.198 [SPEAKER_02]: Hardies. 05:15.718 --> 05:18.400 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like it sounds like everybody's going to Harry's. 05:18.440 --> 05:19.941 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course everything's a business trip now. 05:20.441 --> 05:20.761 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything. 05:21.682 --> 05:22.102 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything. 05:23.062 --> 05:23.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything. 05:24.123 --> 05:25.464 [SPEAKER_01]: So super excited. 05:26.164 --> 05:26.844 [SPEAKER_01]: Got the table. 05:27.565 --> 05:29.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Bit by everything. 05:29.326 --> 05:31.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Just have to work on the inventory that I'm going to bring. 05:32.900 --> 06:00.186 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very skeptical last year was fire, was really good, this year is way bigger and it's totally different time, so scary way, you know, hoping that at least a trip pays for itself, if it doesn't, it's the press or town, never going to any other show, ever come on, you wouldn't like the person that sold the most knives lashing your word, yeah, but it was my first show, so no. 06:03.928 --> 06:10.853 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm afraid, I'm afraid to think that it will be great because it can be very not great. 06:11.313 --> 06:15.876 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not thinking into consideration that it should be all so great. 06:16.376 --> 06:17.557 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very skeptical, you know. 06:18.198 --> 06:20.439 [SPEAKER_01]: Expect nothing if it works out, it works out. 06:20.780 --> 06:23.181 [SPEAKER_01]: But also we have way more makers, right? 06:23.581 --> 06:23.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:25.162 --> 06:37.065 [SPEAKER_01]: We have like what two times more, more than two times more makers and you know I wouldn't think that twice the number of visitors will come. 06:37.365 --> 06:42.786 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think everybody that came last year unless I don't know if something comes up, but they really can't make. 06:42.806 --> 06:48.027 [SPEAKER_02]: I think all those people are going to come and they've definitely been some people who probably thought about why to come. 06:48.047 --> 06:53.508 [SPEAKER_02]: They also weren't sure that don't want to miss it now because they heard all about a good last year. 06:54.088 --> 07:12.008 [SPEAKER_01]: whether or not all those people are going to buy stuff as another story could be that everybody not sure already has your knife and he can sell any from the last story that I actually have at least one client who is constantly in my DMs and he is like are you preparing new shit to know are you I'm waiting for you I will come 07:12.848 --> 07:15.071 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also so fun. 07:15.091 --> 07:27.102 [SPEAKER_01]: I think just recently, like in four weeks, four weeks ago, I sent a couple of knives to two different people that lived really near Steyer. 07:27.822 --> 07:28.303 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, 07:28.623 --> 07:30.646 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you could have come there. 07:30.947 --> 07:32.509 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you could have bought it live. 07:33.210 --> 07:34.512 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's pretty cool. 07:34.852 --> 07:36.915 [SPEAKER_01]: But we'll see how that pans out. 07:37.436 --> 07:41.602 [SPEAKER_01]: Does this year, does it line up that any whole, is it like in the pendants? 07:41.962 --> 07:42.784 [SPEAKER_01]: Austria in the pendants? 07:42.804 --> 07:43.184 [SPEAKER_01]: They are right. 07:43.785 --> 07:46.526 [SPEAKER_03]: They had a 26th national, it's a national holiday. 07:46.586 --> 07:49.668 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so last year it was Mother's Day. 07:50.849 --> 07:57.512 [SPEAKER_01]: So it could be good or do all students celebrate like you're in the pendants like Fourth of July? 07:57.892 --> 07:59.793 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's not like that. 07:59.933 --> 08:01.814 [SPEAKER_03]: But it's one day after the show ends. 08:02.795 --> 08:04.636 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, it's on the 26th of August. 08:05.236 --> 08:06.396 [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, August, October. 08:06.657 --> 08:09.478 [SPEAKER_02]: So that Monday afterwards, everybody will have the day off anyway. 08:10.086 --> 08:10.567 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 08:10.747 --> 08:25.645 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's gonna be a long weekend for us, which could be a good thing for people that are like traveling farther Yep, or could be terrible if people say, oh, I have a pretty long weekend I can take vacations and live with the negative as the negative. 08:25.785 --> 08:26.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, buddha 08:27.127 --> 08:42.797 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have a new model, will you have more than one new model or just are you going to make that maybe maybe maybe I'm I'm now in the dips working on a taco design sheet for my eldest model the one that you 08:43.897 --> 09:01.998 [SPEAKER_01]: You know you remember it spilled a lot of blood so and some upgrades for that model and when that is done I should I have any model, but I just need to make the sheath, so Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I could design it's like totally different bees than doing pancake design 09:02.438 --> 09:04.279 [SPEAKER_01]: but it's coming along pretty nicely. 09:04.499 --> 09:05.420 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to check it out. 09:05.640 --> 09:13.184 [SPEAKER_02]: So if I bring my knife with me, I can check out different colored handle scales, maybe that I want to put on it or that new taco design. 09:13.844 --> 09:15.985 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's in my pocket better, so I don't cut myself. 09:16.523 --> 09:18.144 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't think that shit is the problem. 09:20.425 --> 09:24.067 [SPEAKER_02]: If you would cut yourself again, that would be extremely funny. 09:25.007 --> 09:27.308 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, condolences, but that would be great. 09:27.648 --> 09:35.572 [SPEAKER_02]: I have some new G10 coming in in 8mm, but I don't think it's going to be in time for you to get the metal show. 09:35.712 --> 09:36.953 [SPEAKER_01]: It won't, it won't. 09:36.993 --> 09:41.015 [SPEAKER_01]: But I may have what you could just build, but it's coming in 8mm. 09:41.815 --> 09:49.197 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, all the stuff that you keep crying about, so we got the 8mm camo, which you already using on your new model there, I love it. 09:49.798 --> 10:06.483 [SPEAKER_02]: The winter camo, you also wanted, I think, orange, you have the 8mm, I got both the Tiffany colors, forest green, so it's like a darker green than the Yamagarin color that I have, and a special one just for you, I don't know if you want me to spill the beans on it or not. 10:07.724 --> 10:11.466 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it, don't spill it, keep it secret, keep it safe. 10:11.846 --> 10:14.829 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to tell you everybody that's two colors, that's all I'm going to say. 10:15.109 --> 10:18.811 [SPEAKER_01]: But it will be available openly on the website, so when it's finished. 10:19.252 --> 10:21.053 [SPEAKER_01]: When it's finished, that's what I'll say. 10:21.173 --> 10:21.994 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even some more. 10:22.754 --> 10:23.855 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very excited about that. 10:24.876 --> 10:28.258 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm going through the GTN, like, like crazy. 10:28.298 --> 10:34.502 [SPEAKER_01]: I need to, like, like, I just ordered and I need more, I need more and I, you got me hooked, man. 10:35.343 --> 10:47.576 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the mega fixture really helps out with being able to make like 12 sets of handles, kills or 8 sets of handles, kills and just leave the scenes here and just go and do work. 10:48.057 --> 10:50.440 [SPEAKER_01]: We can just pump out knives, we just... 10:51.020 --> 10:55.204 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, increased the productivity of the workshop in total. 10:55.264 --> 11:04.032 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish all my customers would make a mega fixture, would be so much easier for me to just cut the flow sheet into like nine pieces and then be done with it. 11:05.093 --> 11:12.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that is a very great opportunity if somebody has a consistent model and wants his handle skills to be made, 11:14.600 --> 11:21.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Right me, right to both of these maybe we can work something out and I can manufacture your handle skills and be an OEM. 11:21.892 --> 11:24.796 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you're going to get Ryan saying that you're copying him now. 11:26.025 --> 11:27.066 [SPEAKER_02]: I want other people's work. 11:27.426 --> 11:34.031 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, look, if you combine our forces, he does the grinding. 11:34.391 --> 11:36.112 [SPEAKER_01]: I do the handle skills and the sheets. 11:37.533 --> 11:40.075 [SPEAKER_01]: Best life-making shop ever. 11:40.095 --> 11:42.476 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say already doing some of that for other people, right? 11:42.557 --> 11:46.219 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're not making handles, but you're doing some grinding for other customers. 11:46.579 --> 11:47.160 [SPEAKER_02]: Was it just one? 11:47.180 --> 11:47.360 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 11:48.080 --> 11:49.181 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, there's quite a few. 11:49.681 --> 11:52.183 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we do whatever we are getting paid for. 11:52.603 --> 11:59.128 [SPEAKER_03]: So we sometimes make a whole plate for customers and they just make the hell that we do. 11:59.448 --> 12:01.610 [SPEAKER_03]: We do a lot of grinding for others. 12:02.090 --> 12:03.271 [SPEAKER_03]: So the pebble grinding. 12:03.871 --> 12:05.072 [SPEAKER_03]: But how much is there gonna be? 12:05.272 --> 12:07.874 [SPEAKER_03]: Probably for a set of handle scales if you machine them. 12:08.503 --> 12:28.212 [SPEAKER_01]: It really depends, the pens, like, these are set sizes that I am working with, so it depends what is the size of the handle scale of the knife itself and how big is the yield and there will be an initial cost of creating a fixture. 12:28.472 --> 12:32.013 [SPEAKER_01]: So I just have to calculate my, like, the time, 12:35.695 --> 12:57.959 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's a you pay a front for that and after that you don't you know you only pay for the material So yeah, but let's say I'm gonna order like 20 hands-guess the size wise comparable to yours That from the health this model or something 20 yeah 20 asking for the I'm asking for friend Asking for a friend. 12:58.239 --> 12:59.119 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to calculate it. 12:59.459 --> 13:00.259 [SPEAKER_01]: We have to look into it. 13:00.439 --> 13:04.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you buying the material or are you buying the material from me? 13:05.450 --> 13:06.791 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not buying material from me. 13:06.971 --> 13:08.332 [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm not buying material from you. 13:08.372 --> 13:10.113 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm buying material from Keith. 13:10.133 --> 13:11.754 [SPEAKER_01]: Keith is shipping it to me. 13:12.094 --> 13:12.515 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. 13:12.655 --> 13:16.817 [SPEAKER_03]: With your orders that you pay the shipping costs, I don't pay the shipping costs. 13:16.857 --> 13:19.599 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't pay the shipping costs. 13:19.619 --> 13:20.600 [SPEAKER_03]: It's you know what I mean. 13:21.180 --> 13:21.681 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 13:22.261 --> 13:28.746 [SPEAKER_01]: And to be a bro, he, he ships to meet so much G. Then he has to split it into separate orders. 13:29.166 --> 13:30.607 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm paying double for the ship. 13:30.848 --> 13:31.308 [SPEAKER_02]: You know why? 13:31.528 --> 13:35.131 [SPEAKER_02]: Because they do it, they do it with like a weight limit, at least the place that I'm at right now. 13:35.171 --> 13:36.572 [SPEAKER_02]: And until this P.P.W. 13:36.672 --> 13:38.974 [SPEAKER_02]: are both in crap, it's like taking care of. 13:39.614 --> 13:45.078 [SPEAKER_02]: I won't be moving out of the EU, and I probably won't be looking for other ways to ship stuff until this gets cleared out. 13:45.919 --> 13:47.901 [SPEAKER_02]: But the place I'm doing right now only allows up to 13:50.603 --> 13:53.086 [SPEAKER_02]: usually your order gets split sadly. 13:53.406 --> 14:01.293 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great opportunity for other knife makers maybe that are looking to get some kind of a model whether they don't have to do a whole lot of work themselves. 14:01.313 --> 14:05.998 [SPEAKER_02]: You can think and get stuff water jet or there's a cut, get you to do the handles for them. 14:06.859 --> 14:09.081 [SPEAKER_02]: They could have like a standard model on their website. 14:09.501 --> 14:24.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if they do that, it's easy peasy, if they don't have a 3D model, like R&D, let's say they want to have different textures. 14:25.890 --> 14:30.753 [SPEAKER_01]: It's again programming on the CNC, you know, having separate files and blah blah blah different cues. 14:31.733 --> 14:34.515 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you have something that you want, okay, I just need this. 14:35.015 --> 14:37.837 [SPEAKER_01]: This is working, this is selling, I need a upscale. 14:38.277 --> 14:41.440 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, upscale my production need to have this made. 14:42.020 --> 14:42.360 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine. 14:42.921 --> 14:45.483 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to send less them because I hate sandblasting. 14:45.843 --> 14:47.425 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll have to send this yourself. 14:47.985 --> 14:48.505 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's fine. 14:48.666 --> 14:50.807 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine with GTN. 14:51.088 --> 14:52.529 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great to work with. 14:53.262 --> 14:59.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Good to know, if you're Albert, if you need something, just, you know, call me and you can deal with him. 14:59.950 --> 15:01.812 [SPEAKER_02]: Albert, I have a question for you, in your shop. 15:02.713 --> 15:07.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any kind of tooling to bend like four millimeter steel? 15:07.038 --> 15:07.759 [SPEAKER_02]: So... 15:08.620 --> 15:09.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the problem that I have. 15:10.021 --> 15:17.584 [SPEAKER_02]: I have, um, I've moved into making all the ribbon burners myself, and I have a guy who waterjack cuts everything. 15:18.364 --> 15:25.008 [SPEAKER_02]: He bent them for me last time, but he says he doesn't want to do them anymore because he doesn't have like great equipment for it. 15:25.448 --> 15:32.251 [SPEAKER_02]: So I got him in sheets and I'm thinking, you know, I really didn't, I guess I didn't think it through very well because four 15:35.152 --> 15:37.033 [SPEAKER_02]: without like some real machinery. 15:37.573 --> 15:46.276 [SPEAKER_02]: I built like Jerry Riggs and stuff when I got bolted down to my table and my workshop with like two meter long handles and it works, but I don't want to do it anymore. 15:48.077 --> 15:50.338 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any kind of machine like that? 15:50.698 --> 15:51.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Presses or anything? 15:51.999 --> 15:52.839 [SPEAKER_02]: Any recommendations? 15:53.447 --> 15:59.611 [SPEAKER_03]: Not in our shop, but the guys from across the street where we get a lot of laser cut parts from. 15:59.932 --> 16:01.052 [SPEAKER_03]: They have a huge machine. 16:01.073 --> 16:03.334 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they can't bend 10 millimeter steel. 16:04.375 --> 16:06.997 [SPEAKER_03]: So the machine is cost like half a million euros. 16:07.197 --> 16:09.198 [SPEAKER_03]: So they could easily do that for you. 16:09.318 --> 16:13.321 [SPEAKER_03]: So we just bring them the parts and they can bend them easy PC. 16:13.541 --> 16:15.663 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's all 90 degrees bent, right? 16:15.863 --> 16:16.343 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, yeah. 16:16.784 --> 16:26.591 [SPEAKER_02]: You kind of, you've got to kind of have like an array of dyes and stuff, I guess, to get into the, once you start folding the thing into, into like a box shape so that your bending dyes can fit in them. 16:26.691 --> 16:27.232 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure they have them. 16:27.714 --> 16:38.058 [SPEAKER_03]: They have two cupboards full of dyes, and that once told us what these dyes cost, they forgot, but it was a huge amount of money, so they have all sorts of dyes. 16:38.278 --> 16:47.862 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's where when we do a foundation for a power hammer, a concrete foundation, they make the frame out of steel, so that which can put a concrete into it. 16:47.882 --> 16:52.203 [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, we have to weld it first, so the corner, they do all kinds of stuff for us. 16:52.383 --> 16:56.845 [SPEAKER_03]: So they made the parts for the helios, and they made the stand for the helios and everything. 16:57.345 --> 17:06.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Just drop them off, departs and I have a friend of mine who like makes railings and stuff like that and he's I had like ten burners. 17:06.252 --> 17:17.041 [SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna bend for me right now, but he never charge anything and he won't take any money and I keep having him do stuff for me in Well, because I don't know in a world, so I'd like to not like have to keep using him all the time. 17:17.061 --> 17:19.903 [SPEAKER_02]: It would be good to find somebody You can do that for me. 17:19.923 --> 17:20.704 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a good idea. 17:21.164 --> 17:23.206 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll bring him by and then play fuzba with you guys 17:23.678 --> 17:25.740 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and we can do the welding. 17:25.760 --> 17:30.685 [SPEAKER_03]: If you want us to, but they also do, they have an awesome welder at their shop as well. 17:30.825 --> 17:31.766 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a metal shop. 17:31.826 --> 17:39.414 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a huge fabrication metal shop, so they have a professional welder who can weld the parts together if you want them to. 17:39.534 --> 17:41.835 [SPEAKER_03]: where we can do it, it's just welding the corners, isn't it? 17:42.255 --> 17:43.455 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just welding. 17:43.475 --> 17:44.436 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 17:44.656 --> 17:47.077 [SPEAKER_02]: These new welders, these laser welders look pretty interesting. 17:47.277 --> 17:49.498 [SPEAKER_02]: They look like they're pretty easy to learn how to weld with. 17:49.658 --> 17:51.098 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but still too expensive. 17:51.458 --> 17:52.679 [SPEAKER_03]: I talk to clip today. 17:52.959 --> 17:57.961 [SPEAKER_03]: We have, I mean, everyone wants to have one of these laser welding machines, but they're still too expensive. 17:57.981 --> 17:59.021 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to wait because... 17:59.361 --> 18:04.064 [SPEAKER_03]: The same thing is going to happen like in taping with fiber lasers and CO2 lasers. 18:04.524 --> 18:14.330 [SPEAKER_03]: So once they were super expensive and then within a couple of years the prices went down significantly and I think the same thing is going to happen with laser welders. 18:14.530 --> 18:17.092 [SPEAKER_03]: Because I mean they already went down the prices, right? 18:17.132 --> 18:18.112 [SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's going to go. 18:18.132 --> 18:22.335 [SPEAKER_02]: What does super expensive I thought it was like a grand and then you need a cooling system for it too, right? 18:22.535 --> 18:23.576 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it a grind already? 18:23.776 --> 18:24.476 [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was more. 18:24.676 --> 18:25.036 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 18:25.216 --> 18:25.997 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm probably way off. 18:26.137 --> 18:27.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Now that you're talking like that, maybe it was 10. 18:28.138 --> 18:30.199 [SPEAKER_03]: Last time I checked, it was way more than that. 18:30.379 --> 18:32.320 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how these laser welders work. 18:32.360 --> 18:36.562 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you want to weld thick stuff, I guess it's going to be more expensive. 18:36.722 --> 18:43.005 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, it would be with a normal welding machine, so that the more power you want to have the more expensive they get. 18:43.105 --> 18:46.107 [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess it's the same with laser welders, isn't it? 18:46.307 --> 19:00.261 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure what I thought you needed like a cooling system also of course like the induction here is so we had a guest on before who bought one who bought one of those induction heaters and then got it to his house and found out you can't just run on regular house power and had to get rid of it. 19:00.441 --> 19:04.165 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how the laser weld is like match up to that if you run into the same problems. 19:04.405 --> 19:04.725 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. 19:04.865 --> 19:06.165 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see what else. 19:06.526 --> 19:07.166 [SPEAKER_02]: You had a guest. 19:07.206 --> 19:07.526 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure. 19:07.546 --> 19:09.786 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to tell us who's there and what you guys are working on. 19:09.986 --> 19:10.587 [SPEAKER_03]: Good gut. 19:10.947 --> 19:12.887 [SPEAKER_03]: It's here for the whole week. 19:12.907 --> 19:17.268 [SPEAKER_03]: So he arrived on Sunday and he's going to be here till Friday or Saturday. 19:17.548 --> 19:24.830 [SPEAKER_03]: So we made shit loads of steel, long foraging days so that that's always doing last week was grinding, welding, foraging. 19:25.370 --> 19:27.071 [SPEAKER_03]: We made some very interesting steal. 19:27.171 --> 19:36.776 [SPEAKER_03]: So everyone knows good glad he's been a guest on our show He's the one who No, he didn't turn off the mic when he went to the bathroom, remember? 19:37.496 --> 19:40.217 [SPEAKER_03]: No, that was him and he still thinks it's funny. 19:40.397 --> 19:43.919 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's not mad as well because because we talked about this yesterday 19:44.279 --> 19:49.802 [SPEAKER_03]: And last time he was in our shop, we made Procut Apex Damascus with the Chevrolet. 19:50.222 --> 19:52.003 [SPEAKER_03]: And this time it was the same again. 19:52.063 --> 19:56.345 [SPEAKER_03]: So Apex Procut Damascus, but in all different forms and shapes. 19:56.425 --> 20:00.327 [SPEAKER_03]: So we made shit loads of copper Damascus that we welded on to 20:01.428 --> 20:29.440 [SPEAKER_03]: Core made out of apex and pro cuts or the mascos core with corporate mascos cladding then we made twist the mascos so we made all sorts of the mascos and it was so much prep work and forging work that we didn't get anything finished until today but today it was like one bit a little bit after the other was being finished so today we finished I think seven or eight billets and then we started with two half integrals and tomorrow it's again another two half integrals 20:30.400 --> 20:32.784 [SPEAKER_03]: Procut, which is super hard to forge. 20:32.904 --> 20:34.206 [SPEAKER_03]: Procut in the apex of the mask. 20:34.246 --> 20:40.857 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to ask if there was any kind of any problems you guys were running into, trying to weld that new steel off, or the new steel's together. 20:41.048 --> 20:54.471 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, DLM is always going to be an issue with these deals because we made a canister or not one but plenty of canisters, one wasn't airtight, we can't see that because we didn't drill a hole in the canister. 20:54.531 --> 21:07.814 [SPEAKER_03]: So some might say we built a pipe bump because the whole canister blows up, but nothing happens or everything work, but one canister didn't blow up, so we knew that there's a 21:10.475 --> 21:19.065 [SPEAKER_03]: One build failed, but not completely, so under the first five, for six centimeters, denominated, but then we cut off the first few centimeters and then we forged the rest. 21:19.085 --> 21:19.946 [SPEAKER_03]: So it was fine. 21:20.066 --> 21:23.150 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's very hard steel to forge. 21:23.430 --> 21:27.375 [SPEAKER_03]: So apex and pro cut Damascus because it moved so slowly. 21:27.915 --> 21:30.978 [SPEAKER_03]: and you need, or I think, you need to have a machinery. 21:31.118 --> 21:37.122 [SPEAKER_03]: So usually we forge most of our Damascus under 30, the 50, and this 75 kilogram power hammer. 21:37.603 --> 21:41.866 [SPEAKER_03]: And this time we used the big boys, the 150 kilogram machine, the 100 kilogram machine. 21:43.607 --> 21:47.931 [SPEAKER_03]: On this it worked fine, but you can easily fuck up a bullet on these heavy machines. 21:48.192 --> 21:50.614 [SPEAKER_03]: So you get too thin too quickly or something. 21:51.054 --> 21:55.298 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd have it already laminated if you hit it too hard at the two early stage. 21:55.418 --> 21:58.541 [SPEAKER_03]: But we manage and we pull through and we finish the lot of steel. 21:58.721 --> 22:00.763 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's very interesting steel. 22:00.903 --> 22:01.604 [SPEAKER_03]: Apex Pro cut. 22:01.724 --> 22:05.505 [SPEAKER_03]: But as I said, tough to forge because moves so slowly and it's so hard. 22:05.665 --> 22:11.648 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it similar to the, I mean, Thomas, you know, it's dangerous, but it's similar to the slow moving like a stainless steel would be. 22:11.728 --> 22:12.948 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's similar. 22:13.148 --> 22:13.588 [SPEAKER_03]: I would say. 22:13.608 --> 22:13.969 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 22:14.129 --> 22:18.730 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, might have something to do with the size of the ability made because he made huge pellets. 22:19.010 --> 22:28.894 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, usually you have this like whatever a few kilograms of pellets and he made this massive pellets because he wanted to be as efficient as possible, obviously. 22:29.034 --> 22:40.163 [SPEAKER_03]: So it might have something to do with the build size, but also with the steel definitely because our rolling meal, I mean, usually you can easily roll down a millimeter of your build. 22:40.323 --> 22:44.787 [SPEAKER_03]: But with ProPEX, so APEX, Pro Cut the Masks, you couldn't do that. 22:44.807 --> 22:48.090 [SPEAKER_03]: You have to be very slow enters, tons of other issues. 22:48.730 --> 22:51.713 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone knows APEX must not get too hot. 22:52.193 --> 22:57.237 [SPEAKER_03]: So you have to use a lower foaching temperature than you would use like with the standard recipe for the 22:58.318 --> 23:27.412 [SPEAKER_03]: Lower temperature means less movement if you're forging it so it gets exhausting pretty quickly because you have to work so slowly And then you can't use or you shouldn't use tick welding for welding your pellets shots You have so you have to use make mark welding to weld your pellets airtight So it's very different from what we usually do when we do this normal Damascus with the standard recipe of O2 and 15 and 20 That's way easier and why why can't you use take this like make small micro fractures and stuff in the steel 23:27.712 --> 23:45.200 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, micro fractures or the well seems aren't airtight, so even Toby says I mean we've tried it and the billets dilaminated and then we tried make mark welding and it worked and then we talked about this with Toby I think on the show even. 23:45.360 --> 23:51.505 [SPEAKER_03]: And he said the same thing that you should use, make mark welding, that you should not use tick welding when you're working with apex. 23:51.685 --> 24:00.431 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why we do it this way, but it's more work, because usually we just fuse the mask spill it's airtight and it's a super easy process. 24:00.451 --> 24:01.732 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's easy to weld. 24:02.032 --> 24:02.833 [SPEAKER_03]: It's even nice. 24:03.213 --> 24:04.494 [SPEAKER_03]: The whole welding session is nice. 24:04.514 --> 24:06.556 [SPEAKER_03]: You sit there with your air pots in your ears. 24:07.076 --> 24:08.958 [SPEAKER_03]: You listen to music or podcasts or something. 24:09.318 --> 24:13.281 [SPEAKER_03]: And you sit there for like two hours and well, like five to six pellets completely. 24:13.721 --> 24:17.523 [SPEAKER_03]: Airtight, but with apex, it's even, and I don't like McMark welding. 24:17.563 --> 24:18.143 [SPEAKER_03]: It's dirty. 24:18.163 --> 24:18.783 [SPEAKER_03]: It smokes. 24:18.863 --> 24:19.824 [SPEAKER_03]: It's loud. 24:20.424 --> 24:25.066 [SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather do some tick welding, but you have to do that with apex and pro cut. 24:25.687 --> 24:28.608 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what makes it more complicated to work with. 24:28.668 --> 24:30.610 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys make some of this steel for your shop too? 24:30.690 --> 24:32.912 [SPEAKER_02]: Who sees some of that online or only in your knives? 24:33.172 --> 24:34.733 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's just for Quatt. 24:35.193 --> 24:38.556 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm babysitting Quatt this week and helping him. 24:38.816 --> 24:39.517 [SPEAKER_02]: What a nice guy. 24:39.657 --> 24:41.118 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, no, he's paying for that. 24:41.999 --> 24:42.880 [SPEAKER_03]: Not gonna get it for free. 24:43.240 --> 24:49.885 [SPEAKER_03]: But I was, today when I was forging, I was roughly calculating how much the steel is worth already. 24:50.506 --> 24:51.587 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's in the thousands. 24:51.747 --> 24:52.927 [SPEAKER_02]: So I said, you had to get the steel here. 24:53.227 --> 24:55.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, it's not readily available here yet. 24:55.648 --> 25:01.650 [SPEAKER_03]: I asked him how much are you going to charge for one centimeter or a kilogram of of pro packs, so much is this kind of cost. 25:01.690 --> 25:03.791 [SPEAKER_03]: And he said, he has no idea because no one's selling it. 25:03.951 --> 25:05.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was mean to be a single. 25:05.911 --> 25:07.452 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going in on a batch of that. 25:07.492 --> 25:08.432 [SPEAKER_02]: We're supposed to get it here. 25:08.492 --> 25:12.733 [SPEAKER_02]: And then all the tariffs, things started happening and that's kind of been put on hold. 25:12.773 --> 25:15.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, we should have had this like a year ago here already. 25:16.074 --> 25:17.375 [SPEAKER_02]: Procut to make it happen. 25:17.515 --> 25:17.675 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:18.375 --> 25:18.615 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 25:19.076 --> 25:22.079 [SPEAKER_03]: Procut is so expensive if you imported yourself. 25:22.480 --> 25:24.782 [SPEAKER_03]: It could've told me how much one of these billets is. 25:25.022 --> 25:26.704 [SPEAKER_03]: And one of these billets is in the hundreds. 25:27.265 --> 25:32.591 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a two hundred or three hundred jurors for the masqueres billet, which is insane. 25:33.832 --> 25:36.195 [SPEAKER_03]: Because the normal masqueres billets is like a tenth of that. 25:37.596 --> 25:44.121 [SPEAKER_03]: But then at the end of the day, if you make a knife out of it, I mean, let's say you get like two or three knives out of one of these billets. 25:44.381 --> 25:48.985 [SPEAKER_03]: No one's gonna, did you have basically no competition when it comes to pro-packs, right? 25:49.005 --> 25:54.429 [SPEAKER_03]: So you can charge, not whatever you want, but you can charge a lot for these knives. 25:54.749 --> 25:55.369 [SPEAKER_03]: And he does. 25:56.130 --> 25:59.012 [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't feel sorry for him that he has to pay. 26:00.191 --> 26:11.477 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw some some videos of you are him forging and maybe it's because you are on the bigger power hammer but it looked like a pretty long run from the power hammer over to the forge. 26:12.698 --> 26:14.959 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a normal thing or is it because it was the bigger hammer? 26:15.214 --> 26:22.776 [SPEAKER_03]: Now because it was the bigger hammer, the bigger hammer is the other end of the shop, it means it's like 10 meters or something, so it's not that far. 26:22.996 --> 26:29.457 [SPEAKER_03]: But our forge is right between the 100 kilobusha and the 50 kilobusha. 26:30.238 --> 26:31.898 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's the hammer's reuse. 26:32.358 --> 26:34.358 [SPEAKER_03]: But when re-affirging, reuse the most. 26:34.879 --> 26:39.920 [SPEAKER_03]: And the 75 and the 30 kilograms of gram hammers are also kind of close. 26:39.960 --> 26:40.520 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what... 26:40.920 --> 26:42.101 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, it's not a big distance. 26:42.921 --> 26:48.025 [SPEAKER_03]: But of course, you can feel, I mean, if you have all the doors open, we have this massive roller doors. 26:48.605 --> 26:54.569 [SPEAKER_03]: So if these doors are open, the bell is cooled down a bit, if you have that distance, you have to walk with the bellet. 26:54.869 --> 27:07.737 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's why we close at least one of these roller doors so that there is no air flow for the shop, which is considering the temperatures a huge downside because it gets super hot in the shop, but the bellet stays warm for longer. 27:10.839 --> 27:11.540 [SPEAKER_03]: and we're forging. 27:11.920 --> 27:13.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he picked a good week to come. 27:13.121 --> 27:15.744 [SPEAKER_03]: It was pretty warm this week to horrible every day. 27:15.944 --> 27:20.749 [SPEAKER_03]: Every day, 30 to 35 degrees outside in the forge downstairs. 27:20.829 --> 27:23.491 [SPEAKER_03]: It has like 35 for something upstairs. 27:23.531 --> 27:30.418 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's at least 40 to 42 for the 3 degree Celsius because we have no windows upstairs. 27:30.598 --> 27:32.139 [SPEAKER_03]: So windows we can open. 27:32.340 --> 27:33.941 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so always making faces. 27:33.961 --> 27:35.803 [SPEAKER_02]: He wouldn't even get out of bed if it was that hot, right? 27:36.564 --> 27:50.665 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's today was pretty warm here 25 nice so yeah, I so nice love it here, but 40 No, just feeling sluggish all the time. 27:51.046 --> 27:52.268 [SPEAKER_03]: We're sweating all day 27:52.735 --> 27:53.435 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a sweat. 27:53.515 --> 28:02.677 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this, oh man, this is such an old man talk, but when it's so extremely hot, it's even pulling you to the ground. 28:02.737 --> 28:06.618 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you have no energy, no stamina. 28:06.678 --> 28:12.760 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, just, just bring me behind the bar and shoot me in the head. 28:13.780 --> 28:14.420 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm done with this. 28:14.732 --> 28:27.019 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I actually enjoyed, I mean, not the heat, but there was so much prep work and so much forging involved, and then you see the billets getting finished, and there's one after the other. 28:27.539 --> 28:34.923 [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a very nice thing to see, and then the billets are super straight, they have a nice surface finish, and they look nice. 28:35.623 --> 28:46.111 [SPEAKER_03]: Also, not just that it's super valuable stuff, but there's also nice stuff if you see them stacked up or something in your shop So it's very satisfying to see that. 28:46.311 --> 28:48.952 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys surf as crime them too, so you can see the pattern now? 28:48.993 --> 28:49.753 [SPEAKER_03]: No, not yet. 28:49.853 --> 28:55.717 [SPEAKER_03]: No, but today court had to label them because we sometimes got confused. 28:55.777 --> 28:56.418 [SPEAKER_03]: What was what? 28:58.340 --> 29:03.687 [SPEAKER_03]: It took a sharp bit because he takes a with him home so he needs to know what this deal is. 29:03.767 --> 29:13.800 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course you can find, you can easily find out just grind it and add it, make a test and then you know what it is, but you might want to know before, so that's why he labeled them today. 29:14.000 --> 29:14.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:14.380 --> 29:16.562 [SPEAKER_01]: And it will be the Chevron pattern? 29:16.882 --> 29:20.786 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no Chevron this time because it's mostly lemonade. 29:21.086 --> 29:24.148 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we could have done a copper Chevron lemonade. 29:24.288 --> 29:40.882 [SPEAKER_03]: Because then we have we we have to change the rollers on the rolling mill and we're losing so much time with this order we have been losing so much time with this copper Damascus because we made a three or four massive copper Damascus billets and we reforge them in an electric killing takes forever to heat up. 29:41.582 --> 29:48.725 [SPEAKER_03]: and then you can do some light-forging, you have to put it back into the electric kiln, then you have to wait for it to be warm again so that you can forge it. 29:49.126 --> 30:02.652 [SPEAKER_03]: So we lost so much time because of this copper, the mask, stuff that we won't have time to do the Chevron, because the Chevron you have to roll in the Chevron pattern, then you have to anneal it and then you can grind off the excess and then you have to... 30:03.012 --> 30:12.776 [SPEAKER_03]: re-forged again so that you can thin it down and then you have to use the normal rollers in your rolling mill to get to the file thickness alone with the annealing you lose like one night. 30:13.116 --> 30:15.177 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're not going to do any shavron patent. 30:15.237 --> 30:18.638 [SPEAKER_03]: And he has done shavron pattern before with us. 30:18.698 --> 30:25.801 [SPEAKER_03]: So the first pro-packs to basically see made with shavron pattern and now he wanted to try something something different. 30:26.361 --> 30:27.402 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean I would have done the same. 30:27.682 --> 30:29.002 [SPEAKER_03]: Why wouldn't I make the same steel again? 30:30.893 --> 30:40.726 [SPEAKER_03]: Will it be is it a secret or will it be like just random but the pattern pattern yeah it might be secret But it's not mine. 30:41.367 --> 30:43.510 [SPEAKER_03]: So if it's a secret it's good secret. 30:43.530 --> 30:45.032 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm gonna tell you 30:48.764 --> 30:53.948 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, as I said, we made copper Damascus cladding for a pro-pex Damascus core. 30:54.028 --> 31:04.756 [SPEAKER_03]: The pro-pex Damascus core has like, we made quite a few bullets of something between 50 and 150 layers of pro-pex so pro-cut and apex Damascus. 31:05.276 --> 31:21.292 [SPEAKER_03]: So that I think is like three or four pellets, then we made firestorm, the maskus, which we also laminated onto a Propex Core, then we made normal twist the maskus, we laminated onto Propex Core. 31:21.612 --> 31:22.573 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you twisting by hand? 31:22.753 --> 31:23.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 31:23.433 --> 31:24.514 [SPEAKER_02]: I was at twist. 31:24.674 --> 31:25.334 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not fun. 31:25.654 --> 31:30.897 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have like the to be rolling mill heaven attachment for. 31:31.438 --> 31:33.359 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't work on his machinery. 31:33.559 --> 31:38.442 [SPEAKER_03]: Our doesn't because we bought the first generation and it's not downwards compatible. 31:38.742 --> 31:40.303 [SPEAKER_03]: So no, we don't. 31:41.083 --> 31:45.867 [SPEAKER_01]: what I'm hearing is that changing the dice is pretty slow, you know? 31:46.428 --> 31:55.255 [SPEAKER_01]: And as if you would have like two rolling mills, the fish and the sugar, the twisting, no changing of the dice, true pumping out those babies. 31:56.136 --> 31:58.118 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but do you have 10 grand for me? 31:58.643 --> 32:02.946 [SPEAKER_01]: I can spend another rowing a create an EDC model. 32:03.326 --> 32:08.610 [SPEAKER_01]: I will send you the handles, you sell them, being a bongeau, you have to pile of cash. 32:08.870 --> 32:10.331 [SPEAKER_03]: OK, let's do that. 32:10.851 --> 32:13.233 [SPEAKER_01]: Business planning, like three dots, right? 32:13.493 --> 32:13.793 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like... 32:16.841 --> 32:19.343 [SPEAKER_03]: And we still need the bigger oven, that's for sure. 32:19.403 --> 32:24.027 [SPEAKER_03]: So we've been folding the cup in the mask because in our 50 centimeters, even heat. 32:24.227 --> 32:25.568 [SPEAKER_03]: And that's just too small. 32:25.668 --> 32:29.551 [SPEAKER_03]: And it is soft breaks on the floor and it sucks. 32:29.591 --> 32:30.572 [SPEAKER_03]: You know what doesn't suck? 32:30.832 --> 32:31.193 [SPEAKER_03]: I know. 32:31.393 --> 32:33.455 [SPEAKER_01]: Kales, kales, kales, kales. 32:33.535 --> 32:35.676 [SPEAKER_01]: This show is sponsored by miniL.io. 32:36.137 --> 32:37.137 [SPEAKER_01]: What are your kids? 32:37.538 --> 32:40.220 [SPEAKER_01]: Great quality and amazing prices. 32:40.440 --> 32:41.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Does it get even better? 32:41.901 --> 32:43.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, of course it does. 32:44.103 --> 33:05.861 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go to miniL.u and you cannot find the size 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to him, that's so good. 33:43.484 --> 34:03.324 [SPEAKER_03]: So you should just order that up, but you were in the talks with both of us, right, just ordering a way bigger kill not even we he was on our show, but we didn't order not the other time now is the time it's a little bit slower in the summer right, funny story quit was complaining about or even it because it takes forever to heat up. 34:03.884 --> 34:12.191 [SPEAKER_03]: It could own the mini hell and he says this mini hell is way up to temperature like it within an hour or something And it takes like two to three hours. 34:12.331 --> 34:14.333 [SPEAKER_03]: So what do the three hours? 34:14.393 --> 34:19.197 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah What to up to a thousand sixty takes like oh my god. 34:19.237 --> 34:28.785 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it's the even he it's one face machine Yeah, that's your problem one face is the is the mini hell a three-phase machine 34:29.345 --> 34:35.709 [SPEAKER_01]: You can choose, but most of them are three-phase, and if you want, you can get them high, cool, I didn't know that. 34:35.869 --> 34:39.071 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you have the single-phase is because you had a different shop before? 34:39.251 --> 34:42.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you're in a big industrial shop, you should definitely have the three-phase kill. 34:43.000 --> 34:48.245 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we should, but I think over here, they usually solve this one-phase machines, aren't they? 34:48.445 --> 34:49.346 [SPEAKER_03]: Our single-phase machines. 34:49.526 --> 35:00.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they diesel like 1-10, 2-20, and then you can opt out for it's three-phase, but Albert, you are wasting so much time again, changing the dice and using it. 35:00.416 --> 35:00.877 [SPEAKER_01]: And using it. 35:01.437 --> 35:02.438 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, three hours. 35:02.839 --> 35:09.286 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if it is a bottleneck for your kumai, it's a bottleneck for our kumai, because we do something else. 35:09.727 --> 35:10.528 [SPEAKER_03]: And funny. 35:10.628 --> 35:16.235 [SPEAKER_03]: So again, we blew our fuse, so the big fuse that controls, 35:17.716 --> 35:23.580 [SPEAKER_03]: the cable into our building, we managed to blow it, and nothing worked, so everything was down. 35:24.500 --> 35:24.861 [SPEAKER_03]: Of course. 35:26.582 --> 35:32.746 [SPEAKER_03]: And then I called Andy and he told me that I should look into the central thing where all the fuses are. 35:32.766 --> 35:39.771 [SPEAKER_03]: We used panel and I opened the door and it was warm because everything was so hot inside. 35:39.831 --> 35:42.253 [SPEAKER_03]: So we managed to overheat the cable. 35:44.274 --> 35:47.776 [SPEAKER_03]: So I had to change this big, we called it Panzer Sikyong. 35:47.796 --> 35:53.999 [SPEAKER_03]: So the literal translation would be tank fusel, this is a ceramic thing, which was super hot. 35:54.540 --> 35:58.082 [SPEAKER_03]: So I had to change this, then we had to wait for hours or so. 35:58.602 --> 36:08.868 [SPEAKER_03]: So because we drew too much power, I mean, we kind of knew that because the 150 power hammer was running, the 100 kilogram power, whoever was running, the even hit was running. 36:08.928 --> 36:13.691 [SPEAKER_03]: So and all the other power, as well, the rolling, everything was running at the same time. 36:13.811 --> 36:18.855 [SPEAKER_03]: So it was like, I don't want to see the bill for the electrical bill for this month. 36:19.655 --> 36:22.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, but that fuse is just for one phase, right? 36:22.980 --> 36:24.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, two-one-one phase. 36:24.463 --> 36:25.665 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like it wasn't balanced. 36:25.905 --> 36:27.447 [SPEAKER_02]: And you got an electrician in house. 36:27.788 --> 36:32.916 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have three phase, Mini Hill, split over three phases. 36:33.477 --> 36:34.038 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying. 36:34.364 --> 36:35.405 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it was this wide. 36:35.465 --> 36:41.410 [SPEAKER_03]: It was a, I mean, I'm not an electrician obviously, but it was this wide thing where there's three. 36:41.670 --> 36:43.191 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's one free phase. 36:43.392 --> 36:45.053 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the whole thing went down. 36:45.253 --> 36:48.436 [SPEAKER_03]: So, and I had to change these things because there was linking. 36:48.656 --> 36:56.222 [SPEAKER_02]: So, for the guys in the US, if you ever watch like cartoons when you're kid and they hold on to the speaker lever and throw the lever up to turn the power on. 36:56.943 --> 36:57.844 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what he's talking about. 36:57.884 --> 37:02.667 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the main fuse panel that comes into the house and you have three gigantic fuses. 37:03.447 --> 37:11.773 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know what to compare them to, but they're big long tubes and then they have like a flat metal section on the top and on the bottom, um, like a blade blade. 37:11.813 --> 37:14.175 [SPEAKER_02]: I think in the US they're called blade fuses or something like that. 37:14.695 --> 37:15.035 [SPEAKER_02]: Remember? 37:15.616 --> 37:21.160 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's just like straight out of a cartoon when you are younger, if you watch them, like electrocute somebody's something, they throw that huge big switch up. 37:22.036 --> 37:25.098 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was on the phone with Andy and I asked him, should I work gloves? 37:25.158 --> 37:26.159 [SPEAKER_03]: Is this dangerous? 37:26.179 --> 37:29.341 [SPEAKER_03]: Because the whole thing, yeah, yeah, okay, with all the games. 37:29.561 --> 37:31.443 [SPEAKER_03]: He said, now the worry, just pull it out. 37:31.823 --> 37:34.445 [SPEAKER_02]: Try and change it live, don't worry. 37:34.765 --> 37:35.786 [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be fine. 37:36.246 --> 37:38.608 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was, so just connect the wires. 37:39.048 --> 37:39.889 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't need a fuse. 37:40.149 --> 37:41.670 [SPEAKER_01]: The fuse is stopping you from working. 37:42.190 --> 37:43.671 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know how to do that. 37:43.711 --> 37:46.113 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm glad I don't, I'm glad I don't. 37:46.640 --> 38:10.019 [SPEAKER_02]: So when I was doing air conditioning in the US when I lived in Arizona they had like not so strict electrical laws there and some of the air conditioners well by law you're supposed to have a fuse box outside next to the outside unit and it's like when you what you would describe and elevate but it's smaller smaller fuses and sometimes you go to a house and like 38:11.640 --> 38:25.283 [SPEAKER_02]: Had a problem with the fuse balloon and they don't have something at home and they would cut like a copper pipe Something the size of the fuse and stick it in there Just to get by so because it's like 40 degrees 45 degrees outside until somebody can get there That's pretty sketchy. 38:25.523 --> 38:33.324 [SPEAKER_03]: It's sketchy and it's dangerous isn't it because the kid can burn right if you get there Burn your house You just have to find the short 38:36.128 --> 38:39.711 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, like, uh, here in Australia, we have these screw infuses. 38:40.011 --> 38:44.174 [SPEAKER_02]: So the base where the fuse would be is similar to like the light bulb. 38:44.334 --> 38:47.937 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they're interchangeable or not, but they look, they look the same and never tried. 38:48.397 --> 38:56.583 [SPEAKER_02]: But I've seen people, uh, like when those hues of burned out, take a coin, put the coin in the back of it, screw the things, the fuse back in, which is also a little sketchy. 38:57.364 --> 39:03.268 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like where those things, if it works, uh, it's like the temporary fix that stays for a long time, you know, if you get about it. 39:03.548 --> 39:13.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, talking about temporary fix, the air compressor is still holding up and and just wait, you will be super proud of me, you will be super proud of me. 39:14.033 --> 39:16.834 [SPEAKER_01]: I ordered all of the parts for all of the proper fix. 39:17.394 --> 39:19.735 [SPEAKER_01]: So when it blows, I do the proper fix. 39:19.855 --> 39:21.776 [SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm interested to see what happens. 39:21.976 --> 39:23.177 [SPEAKER_01]: See how long you hold out. 39:23.757 --> 39:26.458 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty long now, I'm pretty proud of it. 39:26.758 --> 39:27.239 [SPEAKER_01]: It's working. 39:32.601 --> 39:33.582 [SPEAKER_02]: with a sharpie. 39:33.642 --> 39:40.507 [SPEAKER_02]: Most people are using sharpies or some similar to that, but I have some of these things trying to see the name here. 39:40.667 --> 39:45.291 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called a lumber crayon, so in Germany it would be a signature karate. 39:45.831 --> 39:46.431 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a pretty cool. 39:46.491 --> 39:53.837 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like a regular crayon and you have like this handle that you can put them in and they come in different colors and they work like really good on steel. 39:53.857 --> 39:54.638 [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to get the 39:55.898 --> 40:03.224 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sure if you put them in the oven there, it will melt on you, but they stay and don't rub off as easily as the trapeze too. 40:03.344 --> 40:05.325 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you would be surprised. 40:05.605 --> 40:06.246 [SPEAKER_01]: You would be surprised. 40:06.346 --> 40:12.110 [SPEAKER_01]: I have written with some sharpest on knives that I am heat treating the sharpest days. 40:12.710 --> 40:13.331 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they're here. 40:13.511 --> 40:14.372 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can. 40:14.752 --> 40:15.592 [SPEAKER_01]: On the scene, they're field. 40:16.713 --> 40:17.253 [SPEAKER_01]: That's insane. 40:17.693 --> 40:22.134 [SPEAKER_03]: So probably what was up with your week, didn't tell us about your week. 40:22.734 --> 40:26.775 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was mainly working on a taco design sheet. 40:26.915 --> 40:28.556 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of pain in the ass. 40:29.076 --> 40:37.878 [SPEAKER_01]: Just because you have to do the bend and for the pancake style sheet, it's just straight off the CNC and you know, you don't lose any accuracy. 40:37.898 --> 40:39.218 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've been working on some 40:40.038 --> 40:51.086 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, prototyping kind of stuff, doing a never seen any other knife maker do this kind of shitty shit, so I'm trying to make jokes for bending 40:52.400 --> 40:54.420 [SPEAKER_01]: So we will see how that works out. 40:54.480 --> 41:04.863 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen some other makers, just heating up the middle of the taco design sheet, and they are using mock-up blades just to bend it around them. 41:05.283 --> 41:06.643 [SPEAKER_01]: Then you have to line up the holes. 41:07.043 --> 41:09.724 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all this kind of ordeal, you know? 41:09.964 --> 41:12.105 [SPEAKER_01]: You are working on one time on the sheet. 41:12.645 --> 41:16.726 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm making some jigs, working out, made some really good progress. 41:17.326 --> 41:20.106 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully I can share more about that when it is done. 41:23.127 --> 41:29.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And also the competition with me in me and Celestial Customs, Pshemek, it is still going. 41:30.552 --> 41:31.873 [SPEAKER_01]: It's in the lead, probably. 41:32.552 --> 41:34.153 [SPEAKER_01]: I am in the lead now, really. 41:34.233 --> 41:34.954 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the lead now. 41:35.054 --> 41:38.496 [SPEAKER_01]: We are raising for new listeners who don't know about this. 41:39.577 --> 41:41.818 [SPEAKER_01]: We bet I reach just recently. 41:41.858 --> 41:47.242 [SPEAKER_01]: I reach 4,000 followers on Instagram and Shemek was like at 4,136. 41:47.462 --> 41:51.485 [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote me a DM, hey buddy, do you want to make this a competition? 41:51.745 --> 41:52.846 [SPEAKER_01]: We will raise to 5,000. 41:53.606 --> 41:55.548 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like being me the shit locker. 41:55.608 --> 41:57.909 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm gone of fucking ratio. 41:58.550 --> 42:01.212 [SPEAKER_01]: And that line is end of October. 42:02.412 --> 42:05.594 [SPEAKER_01]: So when we meet, you know, we meet, we know who is the loser. 42:06.714 --> 42:12.997 [SPEAKER_01]: Then the reality is that you took me eight years to get follow-up for thousands of followers, but the good news. 42:13.418 --> 42:15.779 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, wait, first the rules, first the rules. 42:17.230 --> 42:24.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, before the show, the loser needs to wear the shirt, uh, made by the winner, I have an idea. 42:24.834 --> 42:31.298 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll discuss with the podcast team of air, but if it is ethical, if it is ethical, if it is ethical. 42:31.618 --> 42:31.978 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see. 42:32.478 --> 42:32.898 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see. 42:33.599 --> 42:39.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Call it comes out as with these questions like that sometimes, it's like guys, I did a real trick and he did tell me if I'm crazy a lot of it. 42:40.242 --> 42:40.382 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:40.402 --> 42:41.703 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to hear what he came up with. 42:44.985 --> 42:46.045 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is not a lie. 42:46.185 --> 42:51.327 [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually a few times now. 42:51.727 --> 42:54.287 [SPEAKER_01]: You are a great team, you both give your perspectives. 42:54.847 --> 42:56.588 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so easy to be inside of your head. 42:56.608 --> 42:58.228 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I'm crazy sometimes. 42:59.508 --> 43:05.050 [SPEAKER_01]: So no ads, no meta ads, no blah, blah, blah. 43:05.090 --> 43:06.930 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, don't buy domino followers. 43:07.290 --> 43:08.391 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, no fake followers. 43:08.911 --> 43:09.551 [SPEAKER_01]: There is no need. 43:09.891 --> 43:13.692 [SPEAKER_01]: The essence of the competition is to gain good followers 43:15.136 --> 43:17.530 [SPEAKER_01]: How we can perform under a little bit of pressure. 43:19.159 --> 43:22.220 [SPEAKER_01]: And so now I am at 4,520. 43:22.540 --> 43:24.820 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, perfect. 43:24.880 --> 43:26.001 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome. 43:26.441 --> 43:27.041 [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy. 43:27.081 --> 43:28.941 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a short amount of time. 43:28.981 --> 43:30.282 [SPEAKER_03]: Again, 500 followers. 43:31.102 --> 43:32.342 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's insane. 43:33.602 --> 43:34.603 [SPEAKER_01]: I was really lucky. 43:35.223 --> 43:45.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when I did the competition real day, initial real announcing it like on Monday, because we talked on like Sunday or Saturday, I just kind of like do it quickly. 43:49.226 --> 44:04.237 [SPEAKER_01]: People in Lithuania like newscasters and something like that be shared it, and they are like yeah support our Lithuania Boy, you know going on the national flag, you know, let's go, Lithuania, gain a lot of followers Then I thought about 44:06.578 --> 44:21.425 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I should go on TikTok because TikTok gathers a lot of use for me if you do it in your native language because it's so Jolocation sensitive and I'm like support me Fact TikTok go to my Instagram follow me there 44:22.325 --> 44:23.486 [SPEAKER_01]: and event and event. 44:23.566 --> 44:29.492 [SPEAKER_01]: I got like, I think close to 10,000 views on the TikTok and they're like, yeah, I'm supporting you. 44:29.512 --> 44:30.093 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's go. 44:30.674 --> 44:32.956 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even have an Instagram but I'm following you there. 44:33.096 --> 44:36.520 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, so that is working out pretty great. 44:37.281 --> 44:38.181 [SPEAKER_01]: And this week I did a 44:39.883 --> 44:49.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Eureka Pril of the past week, try to be like, you know, these new casters or like sports casters and talk about the competition. 44:50.234 --> 44:51.935 [SPEAKER_01]: Which went also pretty great. 44:52.276 --> 44:57.541 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like pretty great and I'm tagging myself in all of our carbon podcasts. 44:57.581 --> 45:00.344 [SPEAKER_01]: Reals, let's say collaborative, that's not sure how great 45:02.046 --> 45:16.887 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you know, and I'm trying to part of Shemak also, I think he's close to 5,300, which is also pretty great, like insane good numbers for the knife maker without doing like 45:17.447 --> 45:23.909 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got, I did that trend and it went viral, so I get some nonsense followers. 45:24.489 --> 45:29.271 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, just showing your work and talking about it, so trying to support him. 45:29.671 --> 45:34.092 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is pretty fun, pretty good, and it kind of makes me think about it. 45:34.212 --> 45:35.553 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will do some trends. 45:36.333 --> 45:39.634 [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the trend, and I will spill it on the air. 45:39.654 --> 45:40.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Who cares? 45:40.254 --> 45:40.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody cares. 45:42.015 --> 45:45.616 [SPEAKER_01]: There is this, all of you know, let's sign Guy. 45:46.416 --> 46:04.428 [SPEAKER_01]: where he has this intro of a nonsense real where some bullshit is happening and then he shows his reaction he's like bylets and from from our company because your business needs so it's pretty great so I'm gonna try to do that because it's funny and the short case showcase as my work we'll see how it goes. 46:06.528 --> 46:15.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe next week, but it's all tiring guys, you have to be high energy in reals, you cannot be like the fact that you should follow me, okay? 46:16.153 --> 46:22.696 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if I do it, maybe it could be funny, you know, like okay, but I don't need pity, I don't need pity. 46:23.356 --> 46:24.257 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm begging already. 46:25.297 --> 46:29.079 [SPEAKER_01]: And Shemak, Shemak told that he will be back too. 46:37.865 --> 46:43.090 [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever I hit or he hits 5,000, he's going to give away the knife. 46:43.450 --> 46:47.353 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to get the knife quicker, you're almost sicker. 46:48.834 --> 46:51.637 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, I think you can get the knife for the shemik. 46:52.739 --> 46:58.642 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a cool little bit between the two of you guys and it actually worked out pretty good. 46:58.882 --> 47:05.965 [SPEAKER_02]: More than I thought it would, that's a lot of followers in a short amount of time, like you said, you've been doing it for years and you've gained 500 or something like that. 47:07.089 --> 47:11.911 [SPEAKER_02]: the tourists to see how many stick with it, stick with you or drop you after the show, it doesn't really matter. 47:12.011 --> 47:14.852 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the guys' customers are most familiar. 47:15.612 --> 47:16.793 [SPEAKER_01]: It really depends. 47:18.914 --> 47:21.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, you know, it's just because it's fun. 47:21.175 --> 47:26.857 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't kind of believe in following numbers and subscriber numbers, especially on YouTube. 47:28.218 --> 47:34.543 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's about the content itself and you can see like people who have like 100,000 followers, right? 47:34.903 --> 47:40.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Some big industry guys, they post a real 40 likes, 60 likes. 47:40.808 --> 47:41.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:42.269 --> 47:50.019 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's not the same day and age when you can see all of the reels and all of the content from your people that you are following. 47:50.540 --> 47:54.606 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually about just trying to go viral and just continuing to go viral. 47:55.206 --> 47:56.408 [SPEAKER_01]: And it, it's kind of, 47:58.030 --> 48:11.380 [SPEAKER_01]: taking away from the, I'm just showing my work, you know, and you have to think in terms of what people on Instagram or YouTube Shorts would like to view and what kind of content they are watching. 48:12.141 --> 48:25.471 [SPEAKER_01]: And for, if you are one of those persons who sees his profile as a portfolio, so you most probably won't get a big big following in this day and age. 48:26.732 --> 48:35.242 [SPEAKER_01]: If it would be like 2016, yeah, 100%, but now it's the playing field with a short form and content is totally different. 48:35.583 --> 48:40.348 [SPEAKER_01]: So even if I get to 10,000 followers, I don't expect to get... 48:41.289 --> 48:53.964 [SPEAKER_01]: You know hundreds of likes, thousands of likes on every post that I do just because just because of the algorithm So yeah, it's just it's just fun for the competition not for the you know New eyes will see my work. 48:54.244 --> 48:58.169 [SPEAKER_01]: This is total acceptable and when somebody thinks oh 48:58.870 --> 49:02.235 [SPEAKER_01]: maybe I need a gift for a father's day. 49:02.936 --> 49:05.059 [SPEAKER_01]: I know a guy who makes a knife here locally. 49:05.620 --> 49:06.401 [SPEAKER_01]: So that works out. 49:07.382 --> 49:11.969 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really am of a proponent of trying to... 49:13.491 --> 49:22.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Spread out in the local market, because with all the BPWR bullshit, local markets are getting even more important. 49:22.718 --> 49:26.481 [SPEAKER_01]: They can double your R, my BP, Jesus Christ, that's stupid legislation. 49:27.101 --> 49:31.585 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's a chance for you to get to more shows too, you know, to ship, you're a show. 49:35.468 --> 49:36.689 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it just for shipping? 49:37.789 --> 49:42.591 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm selling a product and, you know, I'm selling a product. 49:43.051 --> 49:43.852 [SPEAKER_01]: It has packaging. 49:43.932 --> 49:49.634 [SPEAKER_01]: It does not matter for the shipping packaging, but I think it's only matters for shipping. 49:50.374 --> 49:50.535 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 49:50.555 --> 49:51.855 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really not cross as poor as one. 49:52.796 --> 49:53.836 [SPEAKER_01]: The rope does not? 49:53.956 --> 49:55.897 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 49:56.037 --> 50:00.219 [SPEAKER_01]: I talked extensively with the plot and he said that thought. 50:00.639 --> 50:04.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything that is inside the box, except if it is like, 50:06.902 --> 50:09.623 [SPEAKER_01]: really, really important for the functioning of the thing. 50:10.003 --> 50:15.986 [SPEAKER_01]: So instructions does not count, but a sheath for a knife, like actual part of the knife. 50:16.746 --> 50:23.930 [SPEAKER_01]: It counts as an integral part and doesn't count to the packaging itself, but everything else that you have in there counts as packaging. 50:24.850 --> 50:33.039 [SPEAKER_02]: I had this discussion with a customer they wrote to me and said that they were interested in buying like a big quantity of the super pouches for the knives. 50:35.341 --> 50:36.502 [SPEAKER_02]: That is not packaging. 50:36.602 --> 50:41.447 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not something you take off the knife and throw away, it's using it like a sheath would be. 50:41.568 --> 50:42.569 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same story. 50:44.625 --> 50:53.228 [SPEAKER_02]: So you need to know, like, the paper that you using for filler, if you use a bubble wrap, all that kind of crap, stuff that you would not reuse. 50:53.268 --> 50:58.270 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you said an integral part of the product that you're selling here. 50:58.590 --> 51:03.752 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really important to know by the country, because it's by the country, the law. 51:04.172 --> 51:11.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Dutch people have a wonderful limit, like five, 50 tons or like five tons for the, you know, off, 51:13.855 --> 51:33.698 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think France has a separate, not a place or a little bit like a fee if you have printed material and printed material can be a business card with your details, instructions and you should also be mindful. 51:34.759 --> 51:50.433 [SPEAKER_01]: As far as I know, the best thing is to have like homogeneous materials, so basically if you have cardboard for the box, cardboard for the filling and to use a tape around the that is also from paper or, you know, you can have them. 51:51.794 --> 52:19.010 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the best case because you've only register as one thing, as one homogenous material and if you are using like transparent tape then it's totally different kind of thing and then it's you are now into columns and it can get expensive depending because they are registered differently and you know even if you use just two rolls of packaging tape it can add up through all of the 27 countries. 52:21.237 --> 52:28.400 [SPEAKER_02]: So we have something that kids have as a candy in an Austria that's called S-POP, you know the stuff, right? 52:28.500 --> 52:35.943 [SPEAKER_02]: It's edible paper, so they print like funny things on kids put them on that tongue and it like makes a tattoo or whatever it was on onto that tongue. 52:36.263 --> 52:42.246 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't stay very long, but you could print your knife care instructions on edible paper and then it's not considered back atry. 52:43.106 --> 52:48.631 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a few drops of your LSD, and it's so high, you know. 52:49.852 --> 52:56.197 [SPEAKER_01]: Edible paper, yeah, it's, but then you are shipping a food product, which is some even worse, yeah. 52:56.800 --> 52:59.061 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I did get it already, it didn't test it in shit. 52:59.601 --> 53:08.325 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so if you thought that getting fucked by the US tariffs was wrong, well, we are getting fucked by the EU now. 53:08.886 --> 53:10.066 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but there's kind of back down. 53:10.386 --> 53:11.227 [SPEAKER_02]: There's kind of back down. 53:11.307 --> 53:12.127 [SPEAKER_02]: Give it a month or two. 53:12.487 --> 53:13.148 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got a change. 53:13.808 --> 53:14.048 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 53:15.327 --> 53:20.052 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, businesses are turning off their shipment to other EU countries left and right. 53:20.572 --> 53:23.475 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm pretty sure you all have seen this in Instagram. 53:23.495 --> 53:26.318 [SPEAKER_03]: So we're not just going to ship to any other country anymore. 53:26.438 --> 53:29.080 [SPEAKER_03]: We're closing down shipment to this country to that country. 53:29.581 --> 53:34.866 [SPEAKER_03]: That's not the idea they had when they made the EU, right? 53:35.046 --> 53:37.108 [SPEAKER_03]: Because not just wasn't very well thought of. 53:37.568 --> 53:41.470 [SPEAKER_03]: it should be one market and it should be easy to sell stuff to other countries. 53:41.550 --> 53:47.492 [SPEAKER_03]: Now they made it harder, so I'm pretty sure they kind of back down because it's not good for business, not for anyone. 53:47.572 --> 53:48.813 [SPEAKER_03]: So why would they do that? 53:49.113 --> 53:49.293 [SPEAKER_03]: Right? 53:49.613 --> 53:53.395 [SPEAKER_03]: There should be one website where you can register for all 27 countries. 53:53.895 --> 53:56.876 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the idea behind that, it's a good idea, right? 53:57.096 --> 53:58.457 [SPEAKER_03]: minimize waste. 53:59.637 --> 54:08.547 [SPEAKER_03]: But why is there one website where you can register and tell whatever government institution, how much material and shipment and stuff you're going to do? 54:08.667 --> 54:10.789 [SPEAKER_03]: So it should be centralized. 54:10.889 --> 54:15.374 [SPEAKER_03]: And not the people, why do we have to register in 27 countries that's ridiculous, right? 54:16.415 --> 54:17.056 [SPEAKER_01]: That's insane. 54:17.156 --> 54:19.297 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, but you know, saying they had a good idea. 54:19.397 --> 54:26.242 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if I have a mosquito on my forehead and they come up to me and stab me in the head and say, I just wanted to kill the mosquito. 54:26.463 --> 54:28.924 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the idea was good, but don't use a knife to my head. 54:29.425 --> 54:30.946 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, don't kill my business. 54:31.386 --> 54:35.309 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't don't create obstacles in a place, even if the idea is good. 54:35.749 --> 54:38.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about the implementation and the repercussions. 54:39.052 --> 54:39.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Never. 54:39.432 --> 54:41.033 [SPEAKER_01]: If, but, but look, listen. 54:42.294 --> 54:44.096 [SPEAKER_01]: If they listen and they back down, 54:46.129 --> 54:48.991 [SPEAKER_01]: Then, you know, trust, trust kind of go up. 54:49.051 --> 54:50.152 [SPEAKER_03]: Did you send us this gift? 54:50.472 --> 55:05.642 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the EU commission or something they commented on quite a few Instagram reels that they're going to change it or they're hearing what small business owners are saying, they have plans to adjust, at least adjust it, right? 55:06.162 --> 55:08.382 [SPEAKER_03]: because it's so different in different countries. 55:08.422 --> 55:14.684 [SPEAKER_03]: So with Germany you have to register and then you have to have a local waste responsibility guys. 55:14.704 --> 55:17.384 [SPEAKER_03]: So a guy, I mean, it's not a guy but a representative. 55:17.424 --> 55:22.805 [SPEAKER_03]: Representative, you have to register with an additional company in Germany, whatever. 55:23.365 --> 55:25.786 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's different from country to country. 55:25.946 --> 55:27.746 [SPEAKER_03]: Even what they charge is different. 55:27.766 --> 55:29.906 [SPEAKER_03]: So Germany is like a few hundred euros or something. 55:29.926 --> 55:32.567 [SPEAKER_03]: Then Ireland is like a grant for whatever reason. 55:33.647 --> 55:50.407 [SPEAKER_03]: They don't know how much Dutch people or the government join, I mean, it's why fucking, I mean, there's nothing wrong with that we have to pay certain amount of money for the waste we're generating when we're shipping packages That's all right because all this stuff has to be recycled, but why in 27 countries and doesn't make sense 55:50.747 --> 55:53.188 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of goes against the whole purpose of the EU. 55:53.588 --> 55:55.750 [SPEAKER_03]: The whole idea, yeah, it defeats the whole purpose. 55:55.990 --> 56:00.372 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you want to have one big market and then what's happening is exactly what Paul was saying. 56:00.792 --> 56:11.698 [SPEAKER_03]: We're focusing on local markets again that we're focusing on the markets, on the Austrian market, Paul is focusing on the Lithuanian market, Dutch people are focusing on the Dutch market, they are well done. 56:11.718 --> 56:16.300 [SPEAKER_03]: Very back to national states again, where we set our stuff in our home country. 56:16.940 --> 56:19.582 [SPEAKER_03]: exclusively because we don't want to pay taxes or whatever, right? 56:19.622 --> 56:26.307 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's not the idea of well-larking economy, I would say, in within Europe, so that's bullshit. 56:26.428 --> 56:38.477 [SPEAKER_02]: I also think for our market and the hand-made market people doing the crafts and things that they're building themselves, I think they're way more conscious about that kind of thing, a lot of people are using natural packaging products and stuff like that already, 56:44.261 --> 56:59.292 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the huge thing is like Amazon everybody's definitely got an Amazon package that was like way oversized and an inside that package is another package And then a bunch of filimaterial like a shitload of it and that's that's the problem right there with with the bigger guys 57:00.090 --> 57:09.294 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just pulling stuff off of a wish of where how shelf and they have standard packages that are way too big for those things that they're shipping and but the big companies don't care they're not affected. 57:09.474 --> 57:21.260 [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, but it's because they pay like well, well, what's tank grant for Amazon, they pay tank granted, did they grant they can ship below your problem solve for them, but for us, it's a money for small businesses, but they're in this bullshit. 57:21.960 --> 57:23.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that is bullshit. 57:23.220 --> 57:27.761 [SPEAKER_01]: And Keith is sending me G10 in like vacuum cleaner bag. 57:28.182 --> 57:28.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 57:28.882 --> 57:30.422 [SPEAKER_01]: He's using use recycle. 57:30.922 --> 57:31.902 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone does it. 57:32.162 --> 57:32.923 [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone does it. 57:32.963 --> 57:35.703 [SPEAKER_03]: We ship our stuff and recycle packages as well. 57:35.743 --> 57:41.545 [SPEAKER_03]: So we get stuff from VSM and we use the card parts of the packaging to send our stuff. 57:43.240 --> 57:59.391 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I said before on another show, I go to a local company here that they get shipments of stuff all the time and they have a big giant waste areas where they have package in plastic and everything separated and I disable and grab a huge bag full of paper that they were going to throw away anyway. 58:00.372 --> 58:04.275 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'm sure I know I'm not the only one you even said that you guys do that kind of stuff. 58:05.476 --> 58:07.777 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, the bigger companies don't care about that shit. 58:07.797 --> 58:11.760 [SPEAKER_02]: They're taking open up a package store that should away and then the next package that they should about. 58:11.780 --> 58:14.242 [SPEAKER_02]: They're taking a nice fresh roll of paper and packing it up. 58:14.602 --> 58:17.084 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's be faster for them just to do that way. 58:17.524 --> 58:21.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, just more efficient because you have to pay the labor. 58:21.107 --> 58:24.649 [SPEAKER_01]: And we are like, hey, I am not going to buy another box. 58:25.189 --> 58:26.631 [SPEAKER_01]: Just let me reuse it. 58:27.251 --> 58:28.172 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how it happens. 58:28.952 --> 58:29.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 58:29.432 --> 58:32.593 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the reals, they said it was something in December, right? 58:33.433 --> 58:33.953 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 58:33.973 --> 58:34.193 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:35.054 --> 58:36.614 [SPEAKER_01]: So just... We'll see the... 58:37.134 --> 58:38.494 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all on vacation right now. 58:39.755 --> 58:41.275 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't fucking register anywhere. 58:41.775 --> 58:43.876 [SPEAKER_01]: If you are registered, the country knows. 58:44.316 --> 58:46.456 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't register, you're on a list or something. 58:46.476 --> 58:46.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:47.197 --> 58:48.537 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's done. 58:49.129 --> 59:00.579 [SPEAKER_01]: Lalo, Lalo, all of the makers were listening and all of our American listeners are like Lalo, if you need something big, get hold of me and come pick it up on me, you have way. 59:00.619 --> 59:05.143 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to come back from Austria, but I should not object that in my throat. 59:05.403 --> 59:11.189 [SPEAKER_02]: With an ass and a your car dragon on the street half full of G10, half full of labor costs 59:12.028 --> 59:12.749 [SPEAKER_01]: We will see. 59:12.849 --> 59:13.250 [SPEAKER_01]: We will see. 59:14.111 --> 59:17.556 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you have to hold it with your new Githmo build, right? 59:18.096 --> 59:18.757 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no problem. 59:19.979 --> 59:22.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Does it have like a big capacity for weight? 59:22.502 --> 59:23.864 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, almost a ton, like 950 kilos. 59:27.208 --> 59:29.489 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's a lot, but that's a lot. 59:29.529 --> 59:37.414 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my hybrid hybrid Toyota cannot handle this, you know, not buying that much, take a trailer, split it up. 59:37.794 --> 59:42.177 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it has pretty low tone capacity also like 400 something kilos. 59:42.477 --> 59:45.319 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, because you're proud of it. 59:56.517 --> 59:57.457 [SPEAKER_01]: Letters of Petro. 59:57.998 --> 59:58.878 [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing. 59:58.958 --> 01:00:00.099 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it every day. 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.540 [SPEAKER_01]: That's possible machine ever. 01:00:02.980 --> 01:00:04.040 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm at like 7.8. 01:00:04.140 --> 01:00:05.941 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll bet you're probably about the same. 01:00:06.501 --> 01:00:06.901 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm at 7.7. 01:00:08.297 --> 01:00:12.319 [SPEAKER_02]: But I got a big project coming out today I was at the car audio store. 01:00:12.339 --> 01:00:15.741 [SPEAKER_02]: So this weekend, you mentioned doing a podcast on Saturday, they won't work. 01:00:15.781 --> 01:00:18.442 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be tearing my car apart again for a second time. 01:00:20.563 --> 01:00:21.284 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll just got it. 01:00:21.964 --> 01:00:22.644 [SPEAKER_02]: Just got it. 01:00:23.025 --> 01:00:29.088 [SPEAKER_02]: You know why, if anybody has, this is like a big problem in Volkswagen's, the radio sucks. 01:00:29.128 --> 01:00:30.569 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like it's from 1980. 01:00:30.729 --> 01:00:34.711 [SPEAKER_02]: It's 25 watts because in there, it sucks so bad. 01:00:35.431 --> 01:00:38.492 [SPEAKER_02]: If you drive on the highway and open your window, you can't even hear the radio anymore. 01:00:38.912 --> 01:00:43.134 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not trying to, like, like, rattle the windows off of my van or anything. 01:00:43.154 --> 01:00:45.475 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to, like, a normal fucking radio you can hear. 01:00:46.275 --> 01:00:47.636 [SPEAKER_01]: You should have a jungle. 01:00:47.876 --> 01:00:50.777 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it would be like the ice cream truck from the movies. 01:00:51.117 --> 01:00:55.479 [SPEAKER_01]: And it will be the G-Tantruck, you know, and play a nice jungle. 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:58.240 [SPEAKER_01]: All the knife makers coming to your backyard. 01:00:58.680 --> 01:01:00.061 [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, G-Tantruck. 01:01:00.461 --> 01:01:02.242 [SPEAKER_01]: I already have the knife material jungle. 01:01:03.362 --> 01:01:04.403 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want more of you. 01:01:04.943 --> 01:01:08.546 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm hour and ten minutes, so next week we'll have a guest. 01:01:10.027 --> 01:01:12.569 [SPEAKER_02]: We might get caught by it on if it works out with him. 01:01:13.109 --> 01:01:15.231 [SPEAKER_03]: No, not next week, he's on vacation. 01:01:15.531 --> 01:01:16.872 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe fatal command who knows. 01:01:17.493 --> 01:01:18.093 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, not long. 01:01:18.213 --> 01:01:18.954 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we miss anything? 01:01:19.794 --> 01:01:20.795 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, from Houseland grind. 01:01:20.935 --> 01:01:23.197 [SPEAKER_03]: I, by the way, Paul, you have a pro tip for you. 01:01:23.257 --> 01:01:25.919 [SPEAKER_03]: If you really want to win the competition, you should go on other shows. 01:01:27.340 --> 01:01:27.740 [SPEAKER_03]: I should. 01:01:28.041 --> 01:01:29.862 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Houseland grind, KTP. 01:01:31.132 --> 01:01:33.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, I'm thinking more about full blast. 01:01:33.793 --> 01:01:35.433 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, full blast, I know. 01:01:36.134 --> 01:01:37.074 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be a good episode. 01:01:37.094 --> 01:01:40.575 [SPEAKER_01]: 101, full blast, that would be pretty good. 01:01:40.975 --> 01:01:42.436 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be pretty good, actually. 01:01:42.916 --> 01:01:43.636 [SPEAKER_01]: Good, good, good. 01:01:44.016 --> 01:01:44.377 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait. 01:01:45.297 --> 01:01:46.437 [SPEAKER_01]: I could make reels from that. 01:01:46.897 --> 01:01:47.518 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 01:01:47.858 --> 01:01:48.178 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:01:48.538 --> 01:01:50.138 [SPEAKER_02]: Believe it, I think we'll leave that there. 01:01:50.539 --> 01:01:54.220 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, and we will talk to the rest of you guys next week. 01:01:54.240 --> 01:01:54.740 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye, for now. 01:01:55.520 --> 01:01:55.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye, bye. 01:02:00.778 --> 01:02:09.193 [SPEAKER_01]: My car won't be down I'll know you still walkin' on the low car when they're the result You'll release it soon, no fee promise Bye