[SPEAKER_01]: This is jockle podcast number 554 with echo Charles and me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jockle with a good evening echo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was running through some Lessons learned some combat lessons learned one particular was dated 16 June 1944 and The location you know they have on when you post something on social media.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can choose a location
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like your tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can tag a location of where you are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this particular document had that on it and what it wrote was in the field.
[SPEAKER_01]: So already had me in a good place mentally because when you get, you know, these fresh lessons learned from people that had just fought significant battles.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that they're going to be solid so that's what we have and and I read as I was reading through these I thought man some of these are really worth sharing with the people so this is a Document that eventually became unclassified from headquarters to core US Army and two core Of course these this is the core that landed in North Africa for Operation Torch in November of 1942
[SPEAKER_01]: They got beat, the casserine pass, they reorganized under General Patton, and that's when they started to achieve some victories, multiple victories, back-to-back victories, won the Battle of Elk Tar, eventually they pushed the Axis forces out of Tunisia, which kind of pretty much ended the fighting in North Africa.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they participated in the invasion of Sicily under General Omar Bradley, and they did some hard fighting in the Italian mountains, including some grueling battles like Mont Casino.
[SPEAKER_01]: and that's so after that battle is when they captured these lessons and they went on to help finish the war in 1945 they needily they fought the spring offensive and they were eventually deactivated in October of 1945 but they certainly had some intense combat experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: And from that, some intense lessons, which they captured in raw form as another reason why I wanted to read this because of a lot of it is first person account.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just quotes from the captain, the lieutenant, the sergeant, the colonel, the private, and that's when you know you're getting the real goods, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Headquarters two core.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the field 16 June 1944, subject lessons learned, two divisions and separate unit commanders, two core.
[SPEAKER_01]: One a detailed analysis of lessons learned during the two core advance is being made.
[SPEAKER_01]: This study will be published at an early date rather than wait for the publication of the detailed compilation I wish to give you my comments now so they can be acted upon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he gets right into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Towns must be taken from deep flank and rear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Out of the gate, that's just opening stands up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do frontal assaults, deep flank and rear.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The usual practice of battering towns with air and artillery serves little purpose as an extremely wasteful of ammunition in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a weird one, because it's a good lesson learned.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're probably relearning it right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you bomb the shit out of people, it's not as effective as you think it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the case in point was this was the blue on blue that we had and my guys in a building and having 150 rounds of 50 cows shot at them from freaking 30 meters away and well Matt has been got a lot of fragged but other than that like everyone was okay if you would have asked your standard human hey 150 rounds went into this building they think all yeah everyone's dead
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it is, and the same thing happened, you know, when they talk about the battle of Britain and World War II, the bridge we're getting bombed by the Germans, and everyone talks about how devastating it was, but the morale of the British people actually increased during that time, because, you know, when you get bombed, you ever had something where it's like a near miss, something happens in your world, and it's a near miss, and your confidence kind of goes up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You look, it can have you the thing
[SPEAKER_01]: at least as often or sometimes more often like brah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of indestructible.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can kind of do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why they're saying when people are dug in and they're reinforced buildings or they they're in the basements and they have sandbags.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden these bombs that you that seem so devastating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they don't have as big of an impact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at when the when the when the Marines and the Navy would bomb the island campaign, they would bomb and bomb and bomb and the Japanese would hardly take any casualties.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're dug in and it seems so effective.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just not as effective as you think it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here it is this guy put in that word out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says the delay caused
[SPEAKER_01]: by small, detachment, by small enemy detachments is out of all proportion to the numbers and means at our disposal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meaning like little scraps of people can really cause a disruption.
[SPEAKER_01]: The combined and he kind of explains why here.
[SPEAKER_01]: The combined use of armory, armor, armor, and infantry units has been too cautious.
[SPEAKER_01]: The over-emphasis placed on firepower of tanks during the period when the weather and terrain conditions prevented full use of armor,
[SPEAKER_01]: has not been overcome and mobility has not been restored to its proper importance and the employment of tanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Too often a column of tanks has remained inactive on a road held up by a single SP or AT gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anti-tank gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: This, the time lost waiting for infantry to arrive, deploy, and attack the gun could have been reduced by 50% or more by a rapid deployment and movement of the tanks or by a wide development, which would in most cases have resulted in the capture or destruction of the gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Likewise, relatively large groups of infantry have been long delayed by a small enemy group with a machine gun,
[SPEAKER_01]: or to a stride, a road.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, the time wasted waiting for for the arrival and action of tanks could have been materially reduced by early and wide deployment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what he's saying is like, oh, you get like, there's an anti-tank weapon and you need infantry to go attack that and so everyone just waits when they could run the flanks with the tanks and same thing vice versa, you got
[SPEAKER_01]: a machine gun, which a tank can roll up to, but we're waiting and waiting for the tank to show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: The infantry guys could have flanked her.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's basically saying, be more aggressive, which is going to be a very common theme you're about to hear in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Too often, next one, too often, commanders of all echelons waited for orders.
[SPEAKER_01]: The rapid advance made the maintenance of communications difficult and resulted in instructions being issued and received based on out of date information.
[SPEAKER_01]: under such conditions, commanders must act on their own responsibility, initiative, and judgment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Inactivity is inexcusable.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're being default aggressive and we're using decentralized command.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're getting out right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Waiting for someone to tell you what to do, the communications down, the battlefield changes you got if you got a freaking get after it.
[SPEAKER_01]: next, we must be prepared mentally and tactically for a change in the character of combat when we next go into the line for we may encounter strong and bitter resistance.
[SPEAKER_01]: At some date or place, the German may seek to make a stand, but our constant pressure should greatly hamper him from getting set.
[SPEAKER_01]: The main bodies following our mobile advanced attachments must be kept so in hand that they can be employed rapidly in accordance with simple and prepared plans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they kind of know, you know, they're not on German territory yet, but at some point the Germans are going to lock in and we got to be ready for that and we when they lock in we can't let them lock in you got to keep on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then finally, close it out with speed, not haste, is still the great factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So out of the gate, you can see where this is coming from.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can see it's just how all these things line up with, you know, decentralized command, default aggressive, keeping things simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing to make it prioritized and execute, cover move.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what this is all about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fast forward a little bit here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lessons learned in combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It starts off with infantry operations.
[SPEAKER_01]: No attempt will be made to discuss tactics since the basic principles employed by Genghis Khan are still in Vogue today.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still doing the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The prompt shock action.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the first element in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shock action.
[SPEAKER_01]: The prompt follow-up of a shock action by infantry is of paramount importance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we get into the first person accounts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Major warn and see Chapman, 133 infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: In many instances, our troops have not taken advantage of shock action, and it has cost us many casualties.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the term shock action, all caps, I mean artillery concentrations of mortar fire, bombing attacks, tank fire, bazooka fire, and hand grenades, almost be followed aggressively and with no delay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Artillery concentrations and barrages are practically useless, unless they are followed closely enough so that the riflemen can close with the enemy before the enemy frontline soldier realizes that the fire has lifted and runs back to man his guns.
[SPEAKER_01]: And following the artillery closely, you may have some casualties from your own artillery, but in the long run, your casualties will be much lower.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is classic cover-in-move.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's such aggressive cover-in-move that they're like, hey, you may even take some casualties from your own weapon systems.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can see, he's saying, listen, you can bomb the hell out of some element.
[SPEAKER_01]: But unless you're advancing under the cover of fire, if you just give them time, they'll pop right up and they'll still be there because it's not going to, it's not going to do the damage that you think it's going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll definitely get their heads down.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're not advancing under the cover of that fire, you're not really gaining any thought, think from it other than wasting a bunch of ammunition.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a bad move to phonium shock troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I was at in a platoon back in the day, and we were hitting some targets in a fake city, you know, like a fake urban environment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was, you know, several streets in this urban city,
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the streets on the other side of the streets, there was only the facade of buildings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean by a facade of buildings?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you ever seen the old Hollywood cowboy movies and like it's just the front of the building, but there's no back to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had built something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the trading guys, the trade at enemy, was using those facades.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were giving some target, and as we were giving this target, I said, hey, here's what we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to go through this city.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to run around this whole range compound, and we're going to enter from the back of the facade, where these guys don't even have any walls protect you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We smoked them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was just shock action.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, oh, we totally surprised them.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just killed them all because they didn't, we came from somewhere they didn't expect us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we came very rapidly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they had no cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: We annihilated them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shock action, shock troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes, just the absolute violence of action is one of the best advantages you can have on the battlefield.
[SPEAKER_01]: And listen, this applies to everything that you're doing in your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Being super aggressive and making things happen has a winning characteristic of its own.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not telling you to run to your death every time and we'll get into that, but just remember the default aggressive mindset, which is seven out of ten times is going to be better three out of ten times like you got to take a tackle balls I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Continuing on, there is no fire more devastating and morale shattering than well-directed tank fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: German tanks gave us very little trouble in Casino, but at dawn one morning they drove up one mark six and started firing at my OP.
[SPEAKER_01]: Needless to say I was scared and was sitting in a corner saying my prayers and trying to call the artillery.
[SPEAKER_01]: I stayed in that corner two until five minutes
[SPEAKER_01]: with the phone to try and splice it on the line.
[SPEAKER_01]: During those five minutes, the enemy would have could have come into the building and found me in the corner with very little fight left.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is him openly admitting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you get that cover, you get that fire coming on you, you're just curled up in a ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as that fire stops, he's out there trying to make things happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Casino, the battalion used on average
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of our methods of advancing was to throw a grenade into a room and then get into the room with the Tommy gun right after the grenade went off.
[SPEAKER_01]: If there were any Germans in the room that who were still alive were found lying on the floor with no fight left.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's some good CQB tactics right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Little section about street fighting, a sergeant off Arthur Norman, 133rd Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm experiencing most, I'm experienced mostly in village fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: The main thing is not to miss a house.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you do, and when you go back into take it, you want to be certain not to miss a room or any other place a person can hide.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you go up to a house you want to go to the side where there are the fewest windows and where you have the most cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like day one when you get to a seal team and you're learning close quarters combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you can't leave any uncleared space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uncleared space.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a term.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a term you've got to watch out for and that's coming
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now we get into Major Warren C. Chapman once again, 133th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Snipers weren't employed freely by both sides, and as sometimes I'm inclined to think that the Germans had more success than we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: During Loles, our men got careless and became excellent targets.
[SPEAKER_01]: on the beach at Anzeo, the opposite seemed to hold true.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the house to house fighting or room to room fighting, most of the men preferred the Tommy gun because of its size preferred the car being to the rifle for working in close quarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: For defense, machine guns, both light and heavy, and bars, B-A-Rs, were placed with forward elements.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that idea, even in World War II, getting that little bit shorter of a weapon,
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that, you know, you don't have infantry men with Mark 48 machine guns and ring buildings and getting after it, have you did it happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: In many cases, no man's land consisted of about a 10 yard space between two houses.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was ideal for playing catch with grenades, a grenade that explodes on impact could have been used.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised that that doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: It still doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a grenade that you just throw and when it impacts it, it explodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all time fused.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure there's a bunch of good reasons for that, you know, from a demolition perspective, but you're all kinds of stories of guys throwing grenades in the enemy throwing them back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because of the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because of the time fused.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you also, I mean, you know, you can cook, you're not supposed to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in combat, like you cook off a grenade for like two seconds, you know, thousand one thousand two before you throw it, because you don't want the other person to pick it up and throw it back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it comes with some trade-offs there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's some definite trade-offs.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like World War II guys, they would get in some grenade, you know, some grenade, hot potatoes, some kind of contested scenarios, some hot potatoes definitely going down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the ones that explode on impact, kind of, remember, you know, the fireworks, those little fireworks, the little white things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, whipers, rappers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it kind of like seems like that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, how those things, they don't go off sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm going to mushy target.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would imagine in the kit, I'll get awesome battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be a lot of mushy targets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you definitely would have to put something super sensitive, but at the same time, how sensitive?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because even when you throw something, you're putting like a little shock value on it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a good idea, but it's probably, there's a reason why it doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least as far as I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, the safety part of that whole idea would have to be pretty surface decayed because almost like it would need like, first it would need at least a little bit of a timer, a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you need a safe farming distance that was what you're talking about, a safe farming distance, meaning when you pull the pin or whatever, you need to be able to have
[SPEAKER_00]: who got a great spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little two or three seconds, they've figured some shit out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly right, it's because you figure, I don't know, you know, me, but, you know, I was on, I was here in San Diego, I'm not on the military, you know, that about me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it seems like when there's grenades flying just the concussion of the grenade,
[SPEAKER_00]: even guns is like a physical, oh yeah, you know, freaking imposition that might set off some similar types of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially inside buildings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, there's a huge, have you ever shot, you know, when you take, let's say your desert eagle 50 cow, when you shoot that outdoors compared to when you shoot it indoors, that's a huge difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a huge difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I, there's a, there's a, I like shooting indoors much less than I like shooting outdoors.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, just because of that little concoherent like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_01]: the principle of counter attacking the counter attack has evolved has been evolved in the division with excellent results.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they know what the German SOP is and they just get ahead of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your Udu loop is, oh, you're going to attack us in the afternoon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Watch us.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're attacking you first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain Richard H. Sugar's 135th entry says in numerous incidents, we have been too slow in taking advantage of our enemy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if you think the enemy's doing something got a whack first.
[SPEAKER_01]: major Fred H. Lapucci, 135th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is recommended that immediately following any such spoiling attacks, the enemy be pursued vigorously either by passing through the disorganized assaulting troops with a reserve or by rapid reorganization.
[SPEAKER_01]: This, I believe, will enable us to pass through, pass through in or around the retreating enemy force.
[SPEAKER_01]: and will prevent him from establishing himself on a new terrain feature.
[SPEAKER_01]: that idea of being a little, when someone's a little bit off balance and pressing, it's like when injejitsu, I remember I figured this out from my old instructor, Fabio Santos, I was watching him, this one was a white belt or maybe, yeah, I think it was a white straight up white belt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw that when someone, let's say, passed his garden was looking to mount him, he was escaping that position before the person got them out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I realized, oh, you can't let somebody settle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never let anybody settle.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they settle, it's a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to this day, you can't let somebody settle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's even more, now we got those black belts.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll settle on you, you're not going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't let people settle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gives them the opportunity to reorganize.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gives them the opportunity to reassess.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gives them the opportunity to redistribute their ammunition.
[SPEAKER_01]: All this stuff is happening because you're catching your breath.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even though it seems like it's going to be backwards, say, well, we're not ready yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're more ready than they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, if you're both equally unready, but you go on offense, you're going to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: So keep that in mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next here,
[SPEAKER_01]: Firstly, Tenet, Burgess B. Wilson, 133rd Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of all the lessons learned on the field of combat, each only emphasizes the teaching found in the field manuals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time a Cardinal rule was broken, a casualty resulted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little surprised at that one because sometimes you don't know what the field manual on the out so much, but to this is World War II, deep in the World War II, these people
[SPEAKER_01]: the fundamental principles of combat when you disobey them, you're going to take casualties.
[SPEAKER_01]: Little thing here on the night attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Attack plans must be the essence of simplicity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Masterly-conceived double-envelopments, envelopments generally only recruit result in friendly forces shooting up each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm gonna say that again.
[SPEAKER_01]: A double-envelopment is like, when you're gonna completely surround the enemy or you're gonna make these big maneuvers too much, it results in friendly fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we have to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: The essence of simplicity.
[SPEAKER_01]: A tax have to be the essence of simplicity.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why Lieutenant Colonel Joe L. Bern-Born, 168th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: The best laid plans of mice and men often run a gaffed now and then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine fields and booby traps sometimes curse many changes in a pre-planned night operation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And attack seldom progresses exactly as planned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, you must have flexibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: The best laid plans of mice and men run a gaffed now and then.
[SPEAKER_01]: simple, simple, simple, and the other key component that I always talk about when I talk about planning is flexibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot have super rigid plans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, this is very tricky when we're talking about this right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a night attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to keep it simple and it has to be coordinated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's things you have to coordinate and coordination,
[SPEAKER_01]: The more coordination you have, guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: The more complex things get.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you get to a point, when you get things really complex, now we can't be flexible anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a tug of war you have to play always and lean towards simplicity.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that usually gives you more flexibility, but you have less control, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's not gonna go perfect anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: People get people chase the dream of the perfect, things are gonna go perfect, fully.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just a dream.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even something as simple as when you do, let's say simultaneous hits on a target, and you try and get everyone to be in the perfect position before the three, two, one assault, and now everyone, now both targets are gonna hit at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That, that, that, that sounds pretty easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that sound pretty easy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to go hit target.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be, I'll go hit target A.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we'll both get in position once you're in position.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me a call in the radio and I, when I'm in a position I'll call and I'll say three, two, one attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seems pretty easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: How hard can that be?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you get someone that gets a little hung up on a fence.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it takes him extra three minutes to clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you got guys that are sitting outside the other target.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would always plan things like, there's a thing called the last cover and concealment, which is, hey, once we leave this position, you know, your target, you're gonna have to go 40 meters to get to the building, to get to the target, and I'm gonna have to go 30, or maybe you have to go 100.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm gonna coordinate on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that way you're in there, chilling.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're covering conceal, you don't have to worry about anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Jock, are you ready yet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we'll set here longer.
[SPEAKER_01]: But once you're outside that building, you can't sit there all day.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is it gonna be a perfect Like simultaneous hit no because it took me Seven seconds to go my last 30 meters and it or 40 meters and it took you nine or 12 or whatever But they're gonna be close And and that was another thing is like you guaranteed
[SPEAKER_01]: The time you need that radio to work it ain't working.
[SPEAKER_01]: The time you need me to come up and say three, two, one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So guess what the signal is for you to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wanna know what the signal is?
[SPEAKER_01]: A big boom.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you hear a big boom, it's go time.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you hear a big boom, go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that means that I went, so go and get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny, the, you know, when you run a 40, 40 hour dash, right for time.
[SPEAKER_00]: At first they'd say,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, ready to go or in the market to go, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But technically it's like, okay, you got a account for that that lag, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The reaction of the time, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what they started doing was the guy would start the timer right when they'd see the runner move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of that same thing right when you hear boom right when you see boom, you know, that and that's how they time hand timing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Olympics, they don't even use a real gun anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all fake because guys can hear the mechanics of the gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's all these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even if I was closer to the gun when you were, I would get a little bit of a jump start.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fully.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now they have a fake gun that is just specifically designed to get an even start.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard this kind of, this is a crazy thing where they have, it computer measured where they account for the lag between the sound of start.
[SPEAKER_00]: This might even be in swimming, I don't know, I could be wrong, but whatever, there's a lag between the gun, quote unquote, the gun, and the movement of the racers, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're within that lag, the counted as a fall start, even though technically it you started after the actual sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, because they know that a human can't react that quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm seeing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how baked into real life this non-synchronous thing is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little trickier than it seems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain Frank M. Cockett, 168th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is my belief and others share the same opinion that some men are afraid of the dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: To be left alone and lost is nerve-breaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second Luteno, second Luteno, Santo, Labella, 135th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was ordered to attack a certain hill with my platoon at daylight.
[SPEAKER_01]: The terrain was wide open.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had no cover whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_01]: The enemy allowed my platoon to proceed about halfway across the valley floor, then opened up with mortars, artillery, machine gun, and 20 millimeter fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Myplatoon dispersed, I lost control, and the platoon was scattered until dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: When attacking an objective, if there isn't any cover room, covered room, approaching the objective, the attack should be held off until dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a nightmare.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of it's the fire discipline of the Germans is to wait Just to wait like look let them keep coming let them get in the open all right now the entire Platoon is out in the open cool start shooting
[SPEAKER_01]: 1st Lieutenant Jimmy, 135th Infantry, a heavy concentration of small arms fire is demoralizing to the enemy at night.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can get a man to pull the trigger, the sound of his rifle and the rifle on the right and on the left will give him sufficient confidence to pull him right to up to the objective.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cover, that's covering fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: and getting people to engage, it's like a comfort, like a comforting, a comforting feeling, getting to shoot back at the, at the enemy.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, 10 Harold C. Bishop, 168th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is of great importance in defensive positions to gain intelligence through reconnaissance and combat patrols.
[SPEAKER_01]: The following faults were common with many of our patrols.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, carelessness, carelessness, carelessness in moving forward, resulting in discovery by enemy at distances.
[SPEAKER_01]: of as much as 200 yards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lack of aggressiveness, partly due to fear of AP minds or enemy ambush, and partly due to lack of orientation of patrol members by patrol leaders, resulting in doubt as to mission and methods, inability to capture prisoners due to the above factors.
[SPEAKER_01]: But sitting in an OP, you have to get out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sitting in a command post, you have to get out there, you have to get patrols out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is just begging you to be aggressive, begging you not to sit back on your heels and think that everything is cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to say, when we would be doing land warfare, when I was in training, training, detachment, and there'd be a big gunfight, you know, a big paintball gunfight would happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it would stop, and I'd walk over and I'd be like, you know, to the leadership.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say, what do you think's going on right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we probably killed them, and I'd go, no, they're maneuvering on you right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see their face go, damn it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because that's what's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to assume that if the enemies not making noise, the enemies not shooting you, they are maneuvering on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in some dead space.
[SPEAKER_01]: They found a little ravine to get into, and they're maneuvering on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to aggressive, you have to stay aggressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain Reed B. Hough, 135th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be careful in sending patrols along the same route.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we heard that lesson in our entire lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Defensive operations, first lieutenant, Harold C. Bishop, 168th Infantry, Improvement of positions must be continuous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Each man must have a foxhole standing type for fighting purposes.
[SPEAKER_01]: A slit trench is much loss, much less satisfactory.
[SPEAKER_01]: and offers less protection, although it is advisable to have one in the immediate vicinity of the foxhole for a man to sleep in, digging in, and continually improving your position.
[SPEAKER_01]: How often is it we get into a situation in life where we stop trying to improve our position?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the kind of the standard, that's the standard deal, and that's not the right deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to continuously improve your position, always.
[SPEAKER_01]: The section is about command post and the observation post operations.
[SPEAKER_01]: The CP is the center of all operations and the OP is the business establishment for the purpose of observing and destroying the enemy.
[SPEAKER_01]: A established observation post should not be subjected to the carelessness of commanders and their staff.
[SPEAKER_01]: major Allison M. A. Conrad, 1305th Infantry, Control of Movement in and around the OP must be continuous.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is fatal to relax this caution for one moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even in a unit as battle schooled as this one, I have seen occasions when excessive movement around the OP and in one instance a CP brought immediate enemy fire which caused unnecessary casualties.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we use to call this?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're camping trip, like you get it into an observation point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these are obviously bigger than what we would do in the SEAL teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: We wouldn't tell them so one of our OPs might have like four or five guys in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you'd have an element that's 200 yards away that has more, much more, but that little observation post.
[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta keep that movement down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Technician Fifth Grade, Ernest J. Langley, 1305th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: While under combat fire, one can never feel too safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: In one instance, our battalion had moved up and relieved another unit and after the unit had oriented us as to the situation at hand, we settled down for the night feeling quite safe as they had informed us that the enemy hadn't sheld the immediate vicinity of the
[SPEAKER_01]: They'd been there for 30 some days without their CP being sheldt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the next day, the first sergeant and other non-combs commenced to instruct the men not to do any unnecessary walking around and not to hang out their towels, shirts, or anything that could be observed by the enemy.
[SPEAKER_01]: We stayed in this CP for two weeks without drawing a single shell, but finally, a few of the men apparently forgot or disregarded their instructions and hung out a couple of white towels to dry and sweat shirts also.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a result, our CP drew enemy artillery fire, costing the lives of three men.
[SPEAKER_01]: private first class William Woodrow, 135th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can see the enemy, he can certainly see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do the things you have been taught when observing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The enemy can see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can see him, he can see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a, this is the field discipline activity right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what it's all about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Having good field crafts,
[SPEAKER_01]: Light discipline, sound discipline.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the professionals are doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Allem professionals, because we're hanging up a sweatshirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second, Lieutenant Clarence East by 133rd Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has been my experience all through the Italian campaign that the American soldier is inclined to bunch up in groups.
[SPEAKER_01]: The doughboy of this war seems to think that as long as he has a number of his companions, close to him, he is fairly safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, this is not just some random thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the herd instinct that we have as animals, animals want to be together, that when we are pack animals.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we feel safer in a pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is, you know, don't bunch up.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is something we've talked about.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a totally critical element of modern warfare, don't bunch up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't bunch up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just have to say this all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: In October 1943, we were advancing an Italy in the approach march.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a fairly dark night, and the men were walking on each other's heels when they should have been spread out, suddenly wound.
[SPEAKER_01]: A large caliber shell hit, the column, and wiped out the majority of a whole platoon of company K had the men been at proper interval, damage would have been a great deal less.
[SPEAKER_01]: Staff Sergeant Harold F. Mushchamp, 133th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: One lesson I have learned in combat is there is no fox hole better than the one you are in.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, Sergeant George E. Christensen, 133rd Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: The 60 millimeter mortar is a very little value against a well-prepared position.
[SPEAKER_01]: When setting up your gun, never set it up on the forward slope of a hill, nor in a draw as these are usually zeroed in by enemy artillery or mortars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he underlined this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you do, use a little common sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to use a little bit of common sense of what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because there's some things.
[SPEAKER_01]: in in war fighting that instinctively are very correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say more so than in fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you give a eight year old boy a squirt gun and you say, all right, I got a squirt gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hide in this room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come and get me.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a decent chance that what that eight-year-old
[SPEAKER_01]: that's never trained.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a decent chance he does some tactically sound things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, contraryly, like in a fight, you tell an eight-year-old that's never trained before, he's not going to have the instincts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He might have the instincts to throw big punches, but in his punches, he'll throw big looping punches.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of fist-to-cuffs of hand-to-hand combat that is a lot less instinctive than I was sneaking up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like our our hunting our hunting Instincts are better than our fighting instincts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's good to remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, sometimes we get so wrapped up in, you know, modern, tactical things that like, you know, I had this, this funny story that J.P. tells is like, we were out in desert training.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, there's, you have protocols of where you're supposed to walk on patrol.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know how what your distance is supposed to be from other guys and I'm watching JPJP's like 20 20, probably 20 or something like this young.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a one-potune guy at the time and I'm watching him walk And he's just he's following the protocol kind of to a T like he's an exact right position according to the spacing that you're supposed to have And I walk over to him and I'm like Hey dude, like why are you kind of standing out in the open right now instead of
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why are you sending the open music?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is the protocol.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go, if you were 10 years old and we were playing army, where would you be?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, I'd be over by that, that those bushes right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I go, be your 10-year-old self.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be your 10-year-old self, because even a 10-year-old.
[SPEAKER_01]: nose.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm standing out in the open right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to move cover to cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: A 10 year old nose to move cover to cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I told you I was going to hit you with the squirt gun and we were 10 years old, you would move cover to cover it instinctively.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, occasionally you'd be like, oh, the hell that I'm going to charge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that can be right too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you wouldn't walk slowly towards me in the open, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what you do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever you do, use a little common sense, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: Staff Sergeant John T. Cowell, 135th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: There have been many instances of rushing into a situation without full knowledge of what is happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: We experienced situations where a little more time and preparation
[SPEAKER_01]: would have saved time material and lives this is why it's seven out of ten right you as a leader got to know hold on a second I'm not sure what we're looking at hold on Let me take a minute now if you have to if it's 50 50 like white should we go or not?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm leaning towards go So let me say seven out of ten you mean like seven out of ten we should go
[SPEAKER_01]: seven out of ten you should go yeah if you're looking at something like wait a second what you we do now if you see clearly there's some things that you don't know what the thread is probably a time to take that tactical pause but if you're like hey I'm pretty sure I've got this figured out forget it because the more you sit the more they set up the more time passes it's just generally speaking
[SPEAKER_01]: action is better than in action, generally speaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, if you make an iterative step, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you don't say, hey, everyone charge, but maybe you say, hey, get some high ground over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me send it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me put a machine gun over on this building, get some eyes on this, do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take some iterative steps.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't run to your death, but take some iterative steps towards what you think might be the good move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second Lieutenant Dean P. Hamlet in 133rd Infantry, my company was ordered to advance one afternoon and along with the order came Information that the high ground to our left was occupied by friendly troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: We advanced with that assurance And we were caught in a heavy, heavy flanking fire that supposedly occupied that supposedly occupied ground and had to withdraw or be trapped
[SPEAKER_01]: The lesson I learned from that one experience is never depend on reports, no matter how official for protection of your flanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always take it for granted that both flanks are open and occupied by the enemy.
[SPEAKER_01]: first lieutenant John V. Pendergrass, 130 fifth infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: In several instances where my platoon was advancing through vineyards, where visibility was limited to 15 or 20 yards, we forced the enemy to surrender even though we had never seen him.
[SPEAKER_01]: After being fired on from positions hidden from our view, we would open up with every available weapon in that general direction and advance abreast in that manner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Several occasions, on several occasions, the Germans waved white flags and came out with their hands up simply because we threw so much lead near his positions that he was afraid to expose himself to fire at us.
[SPEAKER_01]: A man also forgets about being afraid if you can get him to start shooting.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the second time we've heard that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just action to me, you know, action.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's cover right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like imagine this, you can't see through the wine, freaking, uh, vineyard vines.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't see.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you, oh, we took fire from over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone shoot in that direction and we're going to move forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's covering movement right there And you can see the Germans are like they're they're not even gonna stick their heads up even though they probably know that the end of that the Americans can't Actually see where they are and engage them with pointed aimed shots But who wants to just go ahead and stick their head up under a massive Barrage of fire the answer no one
[SPEAKER_01]: technical sergeant Roy Walker 135th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the night of 7 July 7, 1944, company G attacked and took Hill 163 completely surprising the Jerry's.
[SPEAKER_01]: We immediately began to dig in the hard rock for the Dawn would soon overtake us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dawn broke and everything was quiet, too quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: To our front, a single Jerry jumped up, started running like hell to his lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: one of our riflemen fired and missed, then another took him, took upon himself to fire, soon the whole company was placing its whole fire power on the single Jerry.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole Jerry Army let loose with small arms and 88 resulting in many casualties and deaths just because we had given away our position.
[SPEAKER_01]: Strength and fire power on a single jerry.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learned by experience to hold and control your fire until it is needed Definitely something we need to watch out for We get super excited that happens at MMA fights workout gets like a little bit Rattled and the other dude just unloads everything he can and gases
[SPEAKER_01]: Not only did you gas and I'm okay, but now you know that you gas and you know that I can survive your best He's like when you see a Like a striker get taken but down by a grunt you know a quote unquote striker gets taken down by a quote unquote grappler in the first round and gets all over him And like you positionally
[SPEAKER_01]: but the dude avoids that submission.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like Sean Strickland, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He just, that first round, how much I put money on that fight?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I put money on that fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very nervous about putting money on fights.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not done well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had insider information on fights and just been like, oh, I know that I know what's gonna happen here and I've lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: With insider information.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you get insider insider information like I train with fighter A fighter A is trained with fighter B and fighter C and fighter A is just like oh fighter B is going to kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've trained with both those guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's guys way better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for telling me insider information.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go back
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is back in the day when I was betting like 200 bucks and it was like pretty significant.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, pretty significant to throw $200 down the drain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you bet like 20 bucks, like the fight seems like way more nerve-wracking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but the Strickland fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I trained with Strickland in just in grappling and like oh he's a good freaking grappler you know what I mean and and not only not just that he's a good wrestler and so yeah I was tempted I also feel like I jinxed jinxed things if I bet on them
[SPEAKER_01]: like that's the other thing I've taken away like I have insider information I know I'm gonna win and they lose like that's that's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm a bad luck You know, I'm saying so a lot of times when I'm very excited about a sporting event I can't say anything because I feel like I'm in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I jinx it makes it seems real
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could go, I should think back on some things I've straight up jinxed, but I didn't jinx strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sean Strickland, I didn't bet on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't tweet about it, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let it play.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just let it play out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had that, I felt like pretty good insider information that it was gonna be hard for this Cosmob to submit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could take it down, like you might get taken down for it, but you get submitted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, generally speaking, that's like a, that's completely correct where you spend energy, mental, emotional, physical, energy on like getting this thing and you're like, oh wait, I think it's my opportunity, you know, I'm going to kind of send it send it.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then you fail any in a split second you run all the numbers like oh man that's what it took for me to be like three quarters of the way successful and then fail that I don't even think I have that much yep by the way yeah that was everything I had right that was everything I had got to spend it all
[SPEAKER_01]: I spent it all, and this dude doesn't seem to care, and by the way, it's a Sean Strickland did not seem to care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't seem like he spent much of anything, and even if I do have something left, I'm like bro, I'm gonna spend it again, and then fail again, because this guy seems like he didn't really spend much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're like even more behind than him and I think for for Cosma also he'd been so like dominant you know and all of a sudden Sean Strickland is like what yeah like oh you you you you you got good positions on me and one round yeah Let's see what happens next round Real good good good work Sean Strickland
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the yeah, that can kind of be for anything too where you know, you're you're making this attempt at whatever You know, even stuff at work or whatever you're making these attempts.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're putting in all this energy or whatever and then oh It comes out junk for sure anything we want to do it anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just it happens and anything
[SPEAKER_01]: happens at anything when you when you dump your load and you're like, okay, that was everything I got and I still came up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure she got wrestling to like someone almost get pinned almost get pinned and then and then they gave every effort that they could depend somebody and then that person didn't get pinned and now that the offensive person is now exhausted.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like oh and it's it's reassuring too for like Strickland coming out of that first round.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yours fresh is your gonna be and you got me for four minutes on the ground and I'm still here that's that's very good
[SPEAKER_00]: It works both ways sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, even, okay, I'm gonna use U.S. the example.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you have my neck, you're a little killer teen and you like to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say, but the grace of God, and I put in all this energy to like, endure and then escape it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Finally get out of my hoo, and then like three seconds later,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, bro, I don't have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have all that energy anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's seem saying, even if I do like, I can just look forward to this happening again and then I really won't have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's seem saying, so it's like you're mentally defeated because of just the numbers themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Emotional physical numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think about in those particular scenarios, like I can, this is not an easy survival for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not like, oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jockel is working real hard, but I'm not, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you're not breathing clearly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're using your arms.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten some kind of a war the other day with somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some kind of a submission war.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like both of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got the blood of our arms.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just woke.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that can happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why, but I think what's important to remember is
[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, you know, maintain conscious control over what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, good fighters will do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good fighters will be like even with a submission.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back again when I train fighters right now, it's like, hey, what's your next move?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're in ADCC or UFCBJJ and you get someone's foot and you think they're going to tap just because we all tap them practice to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do they end taping on that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, break my ankle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to win this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you can, and what actually breaks the ankle, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, now listen, we, there's, there's kind of sickening videos now on the interwebs of just heel hook ACL
[SPEAKER_01]: But also how many, if they made compilations of all the people that get caught in the heel hook or get caught in the straight foot locker, whatever, and it looks like you're like, oh gosh, oh gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they get out and they keep fighting because it literally did not do what it's supposed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a little bit of mystery there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you're in a competition, and you try and submit someone, and then it's not working, if you just keep cranking on it, you're gonna use up a lot of energy when they finally get out,
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have this this confidence I call it when um
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those things just, they just occur and you have to pay attention to what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing is, when you get out of that, you gotta go hard at someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't, you can't sit back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you escape my G.A.T.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the best thing you could do is like try and attack me, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But you don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're always like so relieved.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh gosh, I don't know, but what do I do?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've already can go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go right for your neck again, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I'm not like, oh, I'll try to sweep now.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, this is what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So being also remembering.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like when someone, when there's some problem on the battlefield, or in the, on the sport field, right, like all man, it's really hot in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, where it, where it, this grappling event is super hot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hot for you, but it's hot for the opponent too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's really cold outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're on a, we're on a mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's freezing cold outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's cold for the enemy too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to keep that in mind and when you have that moment when you feel tired, they feel tired too.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just used all their energy to try and get out of your guillotine and they're breathing hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So right about being the being conscious of it because I felt that before where, yeah, like if I escape a submission or whatever and I feel like it was a battle to escape it, but then I automatically shoot, you know, whether it be a guard pass or whatever,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you feel it work like if you you're conscious of okay now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm about to skip you know that moment right before you escape You're like okay, I feel this this is about to be successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so let's get ready for that next move or whatever And every time that I've done that oh you can feel the success you can feel that little opening That's a good way to go about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good way because by the way, yeah, because when you escape
[SPEAKER_00]: if that person was hanging on for the for the life of them and when they finally escape they're going to have that that lapse in intensity and focus yeah and they're that's when your opportunity is so you ever did like circuit because this is obviously this is a mental thing it goes without saying but I'm analyzing how it works mentally you've done like circuit training right I get it this circuit that circuits so I found that when you're doing the circuit
[SPEAKER_00]: you don't really get tired.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel tired doing the exercises.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel tired between the exercises.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'll start, you know, I do the circuit, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll start, and I'm thinking to myself, I'll shoot, I'm making really good time right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way I feel, I feel like I'm real energetic, I think I'm gonna do good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then right when I finish this one movement, I feel all the fatigue just dump on me real quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, this is a mental thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, you know how like the just that feeling of okay, I'm gonna relax now rather than off it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But mentally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it, I mean, no, I'm saying how loud it goes without saying where like physiologically it follows your mentality, you know, yeah, so that's like when you're rocking you take a break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're totally good to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're tired, but you're like fine, and then you take a break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you take too long of a break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's just cold and miserable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's everywhere, even through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how they, they say, and I agree with this and I've experienced it both sides where if you, let's say you work a, you know, eight-hour shift or whatever at your work and then you plan to go to the gym after work, don't go home first because it's that same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, you know, there's a bunch of different sections in this, this one's about rations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every effort should be made to augment the C or K rations, which must be of necessity be fed to the front-line shoulder.
[SPEAKER_01]: The C or K type ration is an emergency ration and is not designed to feed troops over long periods of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sergeant Staff Sergeant John Devastez
[SPEAKER_01]: 130-30 infantry while troops are on the line kitchen should be able to draw materials to make pastry such as donuts, cookies, cakes, etc to go with the man's K or C rations, whatever it may be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It builds up the morale and tells them that their kitchen crew is thinking of them and not sitting in their beds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Staff Sergeant Delbert, F. Lee, 1303 infantry, when bringing rations up to the company, always be sure not to bring fire down upon the area or vicinity of the company by pulling in too fast with the vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always pick a secluded spot where the enemy can not observe your movement.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's hardcore right there When you're like telling the food guys like hey Bring his food, but don't make a respect a lot of it if you even you get seen we're gonna get bombed
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when you're hardcore.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a section on interrogations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interrogation technique could only be improved by actually practice, by actual practice, and much was learned in this respect, especially after we got a clear picture of what information the S2 and G2 are after, and just where and how we fit into the picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: We found that it often works out better if two interrogators work on one prisoner
[SPEAKER_01]: The main advantage being that it keeps the prisoner on the hop, not giving him too much time to think, and also two interrogators can think of more than one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It goes on to tell the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two prisoners from the seventh company, 211th PGR, were brought in together.
[SPEAKER_01]: since both had Polish names we took them on together.
[SPEAKER_01]: It turned out that one was a Polish poll, hating the Germans and was forced to fight while the other one considered himself a German and was an ardent Nazi.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our fears that the Nazi would spoil our willing prisoner proved unnecessary as we as the two wanted to show each other up and tried to outdo each other on the amount
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we get into this last section here, which is about personnel, is what we're dealing with human beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lessons presented in the previous chapters, and by the way, this is like a 100-page document.
[SPEAKER_01]: I read a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lessons presented in the previous chapters have to do with operations and technique employed in fighting the war while this final chapter,
[SPEAKER_01]: has to do with the individual fighting man and his problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the quickest lessons learned by the individual is that continued discomfort is not a necessary requisite to gain the status of a battlehardened combat soldier.
[SPEAKER_01]: The advantages of a featherbed, in a villa, over a pup tent on the ground, are soon recognized as the soldier learns to preserve himself for the period in which hardships are unavoidable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, it's saying like, hey,
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have the opportunity to be in good conditions, be in good conditions.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the old infantry saying, which we used in the seal team as well, is like, what was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't stand if you can sit, don't sit if you can lay down, don't lay, and if you get the chance leap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if you get a, what is he called a pillow bed?
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: A feather bed.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can get in a feather bed, rather than a ground pad, get some.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I see you have a look of fellow approval.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's funny because when you're in the moment, I think in certain environments the culture is says the opposite, so like you know, like the guy who's always taking a nap, you know, he's looked at his lazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you taking this personally?
[SPEAKER_00]: But well, I've noticed this, I've noticed this for a long time, where, yeah, you know, someone's like basically recovering so they can be in good physical condition or, you know, like that's so their state of
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, they're gonna be sitting down, right, rest in, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, oh wait, why are you sitting down?
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I remember in football, you'd get punished for sitting down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or like, you know, go down on one knee, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd go to, and then some people be, you know, let's say it's the first year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they slouch and they go back on their foot, you know, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they'd get in trouble for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, bro, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: They guys recovering between freaking plates.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm saying, like, what up?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, it's frowned upon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks lazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad my man is illustrating that there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you got to get that featherbed in my home room.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with whatever, you know, how like, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever you mean, okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw these videos on like private jets, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just talking about private jets and all the stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a thing in their called altitude.
[SPEAKER_00]: like there's a it's called altitude so it's like um it's whatever the pressure or something where the atmosphere in the private jet is like you're low so and what that does is cause it's less fatigue so let's say you have a you know you have a speech or something that you got to be spot on with you know maybe a Q&A you know after the speech you know and so you got to be sharp
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's across the country, so yeah, you can fly in that coach.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the same saying with that recycled air, you know that freaking high altitude scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you take the private jet.
[SPEAKER_00]: People would be like, oh, we freaking do you have a private jet?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, or is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't you have way less fatigue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you go to your little speech.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're gonna be sharp, you see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, maybe this is personal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this document is literally for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe just drink a go and you get on the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or you just want to pay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you say?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to sit across the country.
[SPEAKER_00]: Across the country.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 100 grand.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might want to just have a go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get have have some good night when you get on the coach airplane They're so they're so in fear of yay What I'm saying this but you see them saying so okay cool we can have the go but as far as recovery goes if you want to be at your best These things make sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay
[SPEAKER_01]: I will order one feather bed okay for echo trolls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't know it's JP JP had like what's what's like a thing to clean yourself with?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like a
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, if we're trying to get excess skin, excess bacteria off of our body, so we can perform our best.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Loof all dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't use a loof.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm way too tough for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, now you're tougher than JPEG.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like more with you about that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That reminds me too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where these are, this is like a cultural thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's like, okay, oh yeah, you're sleeping on the job, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're sleeping on the job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say I'm going to take my lunch break, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to go take a nap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, what's he being lazy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or something like this, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I put the word power in front of my sleeping now it be flips it literally 180 Right, so it's like oh, oh, you have to take a nap.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you tires?
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever ending.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna take a power nap.
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually I remember you said that
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't have a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I said it to you when it was long time ago We're in New York.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna do uh, I might have been the live podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forget.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I was like, I'm gonna take a pound.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, you told me Okay, this is literally it played out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and I'm totally remembering this now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and you made a video You're like, okay, you know me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting in this is your video.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is me being jock right now Video on myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting in the zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know I'm getting the zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm about to, you know
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on this thing and do this thing or whatever and look at Echo and then you shit in the hand over to me laying down on the couch Crazy or whatever you said, right all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was funny video Okay, then it looked funny because I was like played out all lazy But later that day
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually later that in that moment is like a few minutes later, you're like actually that couch is good if you want to take a little power nap before we start and you were serious Yeah, oh, that's weird because just the second it go seems like a little bit different branding maybe I had double standard one for you and one for me
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was to me it was like how it looks versus the reality of it and if you want to You want to overcome that look of laziness all you're gonna do is like just like I said brand it different It's not in your work was this in New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was was crazy about that was you never know what the hell I'm gonna talk about and like I do obviously and I had this like whole like super crazy heavy
[SPEAKER_01]: podcast about Seth Stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you had no idea what I was going to do and I'm like, I'm like, wondering if I'm able to get through this thing, you know, and you're just over there just not getting a shit about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just like, oh, I'm going to talk about very good and whatever, you just.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's pretty funny that I was actually, probably trying to get myself a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like like levity in the situation by having some fun because I was like wait Actually, we talked about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: When did you realize you said like when you when I came out or something like you looked at me and you're like oh shit Yeah, this is gonna be heavy Yeah, you're holding the meaner kind of changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yes I always look at it as this is part of the process napping feather beds You know
[SPEAKER_00]: Lufra's Yeah, well, you know that one's the new one for me, but I understand where JP's coming from with it, seems to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well Captain fresh did damn good work.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that sniper, you know, has to have some fresh, you know, with some word I was I knew it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it before like it's like it's removing a lay of skin kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's it called?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's full.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the JP needed just like to be a little bit sharper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, exfoliation.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna go a long way over and over in Ramadi.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, you're using a Louvre in He's literally taking a shower in a shower 10 like we're just moon dust everywhere getting mortar directly by the way
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't didn't that shower tent literally get hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking I'm pretty sure that that shower tent literally got hit I don't quote me on that But Something like that happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I hit when he was walking over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I yeah, I forget But no doubt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean camp-corrigator got mortar all the time
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was not a big base.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like you're on this massive base like camp or body was bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was much, much bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it got mortar to a lot, but it was huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you, you know, you'd hear this, the sirens go off, but you, and you might hear the distant, you know, explosion, but you still just be like, going about your business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we did get camp markedly, got hit with mortar, got with hit with a mortar like in our compound.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it blew holes into our water tank and luckily, thank God.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it could have, it would have hit one, because we were in tents.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if we were in, if it would have hit one in tents, it would have been mass casualty.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think life's tent actually got hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, again, no one did.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's like, we had to get a new water, uh, a water tank.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these are like a massive water tank, like bigger than this room.
[SPEAKER_01]: And luckily, our CBs were able to go and make that happen, which meant that I think they stole it from somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: making it happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: The C.B.
[SPEAKER_01]: is that's one of the skill sets of C.B.s.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just like acquiring shit that you need.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they acquired it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty legit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I do maybe take it a little bit personal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're too sensitive to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so now that we've explored it, I mean, as far as in regards to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you also, bro, you don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: You may say that, but you don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's times where you're just like, no, you just don't participate in activities because you're not participating in because they don't get interfere with your rest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Equal choice, not required for these activities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I heard before.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so yeah, but that part's right, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But every once in a while, I'll find it, and you know, this is hindsight, or I'm like, hey, wait, I feel like I might, this might bother me a little bit more than it maybe should.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, and this is what will happen sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's say someone will call me, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be in the afternoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's only jokes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I gotta really tighten my whole shit up, because I know that it's joking.
[SPEAKER_00]: But people will be like, let's say call or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll see me in the afternoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll be like, oh, heck, oh, what a, good to hear from you, whatever, did you just wake up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't say that like I've been sleeping all day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's enough
[SPEAKER_00]: What the hell's wrong with me?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing in this, the whole sleep thing, like, people think, oh, you, you know, recovery, like, you don't believe, like, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I understand sleep is good for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sleep is great, sleep is much as you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also the people that are like, if you have gotten less than six hours of sleep, it's the equivalent of having three alcohol drinks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I've done freaking all kinds of crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: very complex, cognitive acts while on zero frequency.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, zero.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I also, I know that I do have a little bit of a of a genetic predisposition to not need sleep because when I go like toe to toe with someone,
[SPEAKER_01]: where we're not sleeping.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no one that's ever been like with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like always you could see, I hope they're fading out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know what that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you have never had anyone like, oh, like waking me up.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, wouldn't a lot of MF's up over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I added a system to create a reason for freaking awesome guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: when he would be falling asleep like while we were working and I would wake him up by going, he was in the bubble and he was like so like shell shocked what I would say to him like I would let him you know when you're watching so you can see like their eyes start to look like with a little kid then he started doing that and I'd let it go and I'd let it be like I'd let him sleep
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'd let him get past just like the head because you know, he's keep you when you're head falls a little bit You kind of wake yourself up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would let him do that until he stopped doing that and he actually went to sleep and then I'm freaking grab you In the ball between him, he'll be all shot
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, those go to mean, but yeah, that's just like, like I said, I don't know why that is, uh, but I've always been that way, um, and you know, like, oh, is it gonna catch up with me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably, you know, I guess, like, if I haven't been recovering properly from my whole life.
[SPEAKER_01]: then it's probably at some point I'm just gonna like get you know just fall off the cliff yeah and just not you know we would not wake up just die just be like you up that was it shit a slap more yeah I feel like I could I would like to see more camp you know don't tell y'all
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I'm actively going, oh, I want to sleep this amount of time, but I'm going to actively sleep less.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, even when I go, like, I'll go somewhere where there's no, you know, I'm going where there's no thing that I have to get up for, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go somewhere in the mountains, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, a cabin in the mountains, I'm not, you've got no work to do
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, no alarm clock.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, nothing, nothing to get up for at 433 my eyes opened and I'm just like BTF, BTF, BTF, so it's not like some, and you know, that's just the way it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not, you know, over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I said this the other day, but you know, if it's, if it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm going to get less than four hours of sleep, like five hours of sleep, it's kind of like, yeah, I'll try and sleep in more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I will, like I think six and a half hours from me is kind of what my body expects and needs and is programmed for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels like if you're like cumulatively, you know, jamming yourself up for, you know, sleep deprivation over time or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: There'd be so many symptoms in science and I don't think giving, even giving your lifestyle or whatever, you know, your mental and physical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we should already see them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, we're going to find out with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll see you to sleep as much as you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get your freaking feather bed out and your lufra.
[SPEAKER_01]: And make it happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, this next section about replacement procedures.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is an invaluable aid in the training of replacements in that it provides them training and conditioning in the presence of battle itself, common to the conditions which they will fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to make your training as close to battle as you possibly can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, tenant Robert T. Hunter 1305th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is difficult for an officer without combat experience to take over, to take command of a platoon in a battle wise engagement experienced.
[SPEAKER_01]: outfit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is subject to his own doubt and misgivings, as well as to the doubts and misgivings of the men under him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about a new guy showing up, no combat experience, and what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: He may be faced with a problem of taking command of a rifle platoon in a rifle company, right in the middle of an attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: His predicament may be further compliment complicated,
[SPEAKER_01]: By the fact that all his past experience has been limited to staff positions or ahead quarters unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The normal tendency is to attempt to stress his ability by taking immediate initiative in the attack and attitude of all show you all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got what it takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it crazy I wrote about this in leadership strategy in tactics?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like however many years later 70 years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, his tendency is to stress his ability by by by showing his initiative in the attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll show you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got what it takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The result is generally one officer casualty or frequently fatality.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you show up in your new guy and you're like, I'm going to show you guys what I made up follow me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Watch what I'm going to give the orders here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be a casualty or you're going to be dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that no experienced combat platoon expects a raw recruit, and that's what he is to his men to be to personally be the first man to jump out and land the assault of the regiment, or, and sorry, and lead the assault of the regiment on Hill, ump the bump.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they didn't expect that of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: they don't exist this is exactly what I wrote in leadership strategy and tactics like don't act like you know everything you don't and everybody knows that they are expecting him to be as green as he is and as scared as he is he will be hitting the ground every time he hears a shell go over some buck private
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, until some buck privately casually mentions, it's okay, Lieutenant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are our, ours going over to greet Jerry.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was about as like hardened combat, you know, uh, in Ramadi, when, when, when, when, when counter battery would go out and you see somebody that just showed up for like, to come visit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they get a fuck, it's called running for the longest.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's outgoing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the hardest MFR, and he would ever see, like, uh, like, like, like, sergeant barns in platoon, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: The outgoing goes, you see you guys shut me like, that's outgoing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just like you're the baddest MFR that ever walked the earth because you guys can tell the difference Like yeah, it's a natural.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's outgoing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just get a grip, you know I'll continue on far better Let him take a deep breath swallow hard for five minutes forget all the saluting and chewing outs He used to be so good at back in the States
[SPEAKER_01]: and thank the lad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let him find out who among his non-combs have the most combat experience and learn their secrets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give them full regard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be afraid to take and ask their advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be to don't try to be a world-beater.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought that was a modern term.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't try and be a world-beater.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first few days take it easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ask a lot of questions and learn as many answers as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: With luck on his side, he may last the week out.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he lasts the week, he will have soon enough learned enough and done enough in his own natural way to carry him through from then on indefinitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's just great advice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just great advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't gotta act like you know everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to step up and try and prove yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should just be asking questions trying to learn.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: like this combat stuff this isn't some freaking crazy uh... rocket science there's some basic principles got a learning to take a week to run in the one she learned to be probably gonna be fine but those first couple days is if he survives the first week if he survives the first week man let's survive the for less for about that that's not worry about you know trying to act like the uh... sergeant york over here
[SPEAKER_01]: staff sergeant Andrew Nordhill, Jr. 133th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have found that recent replacements lack sufficient knowledge of automatic weapons.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bar is a very important weapon and should be stressed in basic training, most replacements don't have the slightest idea of how a rifle crack sounds when fired in his direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: German weapon should be used for this type of training so that the individual soldier can distinguish them by sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, training should include more of battle drills with overhead firing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last but not least, they have a tendency to bunch up on March or another Formations, so familiarizing yourself on what that enemy fire sounds like is what we are doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Firstly, Lieutenant Donald C. Johnson and First Lieutenant Clifton are far in 1305th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not enough training giving for scouting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes a brave, quick-thinking man to be a good scout.
[SPEAKER_01]: The type of man which we are receiving as replacements at present are very poor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems that every man that is incompetent in other type units is put in the infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: This results in the high percentage of casualties among platoon leaders and good non-commissioned officers.
[SPEAKER_01]: The platoon leader has to be the first scout and also lead these replacements up to the fighting positions personally or they don't or they seem to disappear about the time you need them most.
[SPEAKER_01]: Half of my platoon president has had different training than that of an infantry rifle company.
[SPEAKER_01]: and first lieutenant Robert Logi, 133rd imagery.
[SPEAKER_01]: All men in the squad should be given an opportunity to train to lead the squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: The replacement private of today is the NCO of tomorrow in combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you gotta get your guys leading out of the gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so important.
[SPEAKER_01]: So important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let them step up and let them lead things during training, please.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we get into morale.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is believed that the word morale is the most misused in the official language of the US Army today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, it is far more than a USO, actually it is far more than a USO shows and donuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word seems to bring to mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is confidence in self, unit a spree, and a will to carry out orders all bound together by superior leadership.
[SPEAKER_01]: The former should properly be called entertainment and has its proper place as a medium to relax the individual less simplifying the installation of a high state of morale.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is well to note that in victory however small the engagement.
[SPEAKER_01]: morale is highest while in defeat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is at its lowest ab.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: They talk about morale.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, the USO and the shows that they're going to put in on all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just entertainment.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not morale.
[SPEAKER_01]: It relax you a little bit, which will open up an opportunity for morale, but it's not morale itself and you can throw all the damn shows and concerts and USO tours at the troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if they're losing, then it doesn't help them morale.
[SPEAKER_01]: So keep that in mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second Lieutenant Roy L. Humphrey's Junior 135th Infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a lot written about Morales since the start of this war.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the effect of USO shows, male, food, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are all big items.
[SPEAKER_01]: but the largest factor in combat is leadership, especially that displayed by platoon leaders and NCOs.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the front, there are a new, are innumerable difficulties such as bad weather, poor food, long marches to mention a few.
[SPEAKER_01]: When a unit has been on the line for a long time, these things grow in importance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leaders must be on guard and must not allow their men to believe that they are getting a raw deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the leaders can instill in their men an aggressive spirit and maintain strict discipline throughout the campaign, they will find the morale of their men a lot higher when the campaign nears a conclusion.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's not saying give them more donuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not saying give them more USO shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's saying, hey, discipline and aggression.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what keeps the spirit high,
[SPEAKER_01]: Buyin' them the freaking doughnuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Letin' them watch the movie late.
[SPEAKER_01]: All that stuff, it's a short term win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dad, you're the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, look at me in three months.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you at?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dad, what did you do to me?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sick, I'm weak, I have no capabilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I'm doin' that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard training is the best thing from morale.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is, not donuts, not USO shows, not video games for your kids, that doesn't help.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might open up an opportunity for good morale.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to give him high morale.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lieutenant Colonel Harold L. Stip headquarters, 34th Infantry Division.
[SPEAKER_01]: Enlisted men appointed officers in the field of battle because of outstanding performance of combat duties have proved far more competent than the replacement officers received.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not due to lack of ability in many cases of replacement officers, but due to the lack of experience which can only be gained on the battlefield.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's read get those, those David Hackworth Mustang officers getting battlefield commission.
[SPEAKER_01]: Reports indicate that men are far more willing to follow battle tried and listed men who are commissioned than a new replacement officer.
[SPEAKER_01]: reported confidence in leaders gained from this source, proves that fighting efficiency of the small frontline elements is greatly improved.
[SPEAKER_01]: Experience within this command has proven that no battlefield appointee has ever been reclassified for inefficiency or inexperience, while this is not true of the office replacements received through normal replacement channels.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't do anything better to screen somebody for combat leadership than put him in a combat leadership role, like you're not giving a commission to some sergeant that was that wasn't a badass, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're getting, of course, there's none reclassified.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's shocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all just, hey, they get commissioned.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're doing their job outstanding.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, like in the military that I saw, often times, the prior-and-listed officers were some of the best officers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, they were also sometimes some of the worst, you know, it depends on what that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on how that commission landed on them, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If it landed on them saying, hey, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: you need to prove yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, usually it worked out pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it landed on them, like I finally got what I deserve, I should have been in charge all along and watch out, and they have a different kind of proof of myself, I want to prove how awesome I am, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to proving that you're worthy of this, this leadership role, two different things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm carrying on here in order to weld an efficient fighting unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those who are ineffective, mediocre, non-aggressive and without professional knowledge must be eliminated.
[SPEAKER_01]: reports received from both officers and men have stressed this point and believed me that a more liberal system of eliminating the type of officer above referred to be inaugurated.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we cannot have ineffective mediocre non-aggressive officers out there leading troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need him system to get rid of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the wartime scenario.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, the peacetime military, it's just rough.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's rough.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not getting tested.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one really cares as much as they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when it's the nine bees, and you got some officer that's kind of a turd, but you know what, what are you going to go?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to go to deploy to go on for six months or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to deploy to whatever and it's like you're going to be doing something
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, but when people's lives were takes I know hold on a second what does this do do in here?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this guy's problem he shouldn't be here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that's the right ad.
[SPEAKER_01]: The right ad, too, is like, regardless, because you never know when your call is going to come.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know when that's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, when the leader gets successfully deploys, because it was nothing going on and kind of got left slide, that doesn't go in his record.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, six years later, when he's in another leadership position, people don't know that he was crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now there's a war going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we got to use caution there and it closes out this book and we have this as in the case of officers a system should be established by which misfits incompetence those who have let down because of extremely long periods in active combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: can be reassigned to non-combatant units, eliminated from the service or other disposition made of them upon recommendation of a unit commander concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's going to be guys like they're going to be burned out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even those who got to have a way to reassign them, certainly if they're misfits or they're incompetents, like we need to get rid of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: This will ensure maximum efficiency in the front lines, creating greater drive and follow through, resulting in the taking in of objectives with less casualties.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has long been a fault in combat elements, in which no adequate answer has yet been found and about which there is constant complaint and criticisms.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get rid of the people that are not aggressive that don't make things happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: and if we have people that are good or to take less casualties, that's what we're doing, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we are supposed to be doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's kind of like, you know that attitude I just talked about, even that I saw in the military and this in the entire military certainly saw on the seal teams is when there's a war, all of us on everyone raises the bar, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Every bar got raised when I went from the pre 9-11 to the post 9-11, the bar got raised.
[SPEAKER_01]: people are now looking for maximum efficiency on the front lines, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole, everything should be stricter, everything should be tougher, and I think it's interesting to think about that, not just from a combat perspective, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because in combat, right, we want to select the best guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to weed out the incompetent losers.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to keep the guys that are bent on the front lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to keep them fresh.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing in the business world, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to select the best people, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to get rid of people that aren't up to par.
[SPEAKER_01]: If people need a rest, you need to give it to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also in life, in life, are you operating with maximum efficiency?
[SPEAKER_01]: What about your daily habits?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you selecting the best?
[SPEAKER_01]: The absolute best daily habits for yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you weeded out things that are inefficient or causing competency or just a waste of your time and a waste of your effort?
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, what are you doing to speak and rest like, how are you getting the correct amount of rest that you need?
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: in war we raise the bar when combat is eminent and yet in life like a lot of times you don't see combat being at the uh... eminent you don't see war being it but you are at war so it's easy to let things slide
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's easy, when you're not going into combat, it's easy to kind of lower the barn, let some people on your team that maybe don't deserve to be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can keep some people on the team that aren't really A players.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you burn out your top people, you're putting all the work on them, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That can happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's put it's easy for this to happen in our personal lives as well, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we let bad habits creep in.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we keep bad habits that we should be getting rid of.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we let good habits that are strong at some point, we let him fade away.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't give him the proper rest and recovery.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a recipe for disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: So do not allow that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Monitor your people.
[SPEAKER_01]: and monitor yourself, monitor your own habits, your own standard operating procedures for your life, so that you can operate with maximum efficiency.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are about discipline.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one about a laundry mat and things that unfolded.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's no pun intended from a laundry mat.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's called the final spin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out those books as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also we have echelon front.
[SPEAKER_01]: We teach leadership and we saw problems through leadership.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have events.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also have embedded consultants for leadership that will work inside your company to help you get things squared away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to echelonfront.com for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to learn these leadership principles,
[SPEAKER_01]: From the comfort of your own home, you can check out extremownership.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where we have online training to learn the skills of leadership.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you want to help family members active and retired, you want to help their families.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to help gold star families.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out Mark Lee's mom, mom Lee.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's got an amazing charity organization.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to donate or you want to get involved, go to americansmightywariors.org.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also check out heroes and horses.org.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, Jimmy May's organization, beyond the Brotherhood.org, Check out WarUsNeed.org.
[SPEAKER_01]: StrongholdRush.org.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a lot of people who are trying to support.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of great organizations out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: People doing good stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So check those out.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to connect with us, check out Jocco.com, and then on social media.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm at Jocca-Wilink, I go with that, I go with Charles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just don't spend too much time on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's literally just a freaking waste of your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't want to get you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to all the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines that are currently deployed around the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: capturing lessons learned as you all fight to defend freedom.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are grateful for your service grateful for your sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Each and every one of you also thanks to our police law enforcement firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret services as well as all other first responders were grateful for what you do here on the home front to keep us safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone else out there, you heard it throughout this book.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is take action and it's interesting that in a time of war generals and kernels and captains and sergeants would have to be encouraged to take action.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's seen because it seems obvious, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to move, if you want to win, you've got to move, you have to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the unfortunate reality is, we tend not to move.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tend to be stagnant.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tend to wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tend to stall.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tend to allow inertia to put its hooks in us and prevent us from doing what we know we need to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is take action.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is go do the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, be aggressive and make things happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is your final warning to go get after it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's all we've got for tonight and until next time, Zekko and Joko out.