WEBVTT 00:00.460 --> 00:03.022 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the baseball insider's Frostbakes show happy Tuesday. 00:03.122 --> 00:05.723 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Adam Wyner and join as always by fansite. 00:05.743 --> 00:12.647 [SPEAKER_01]: And it'll be prospecting guru, Eric Cole, on the fan-sided staff writer squad, Repping his braves as always. 00:12.687 --> 00:18.891 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are plenty of squads to discuss today, because there will be pipeline put out their new farm system assessments. 00:18.931 --> 00:22.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Their new rankings, people are not going to like the number one spot, but we'll talk about what we're going to do. 00:22.993 --> 00:23.514 [SPEAKER_01]: was into it. 00:23.794 --> 00:31.422 [SPEAKER_01]: How some of those decisions were made and hey, what about the marquee franchises they're out of the bottom of these top 30 farm system rankings? 00:31.703 --> 00:32.864 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened mid-season? 00:32.944 --> 00:33.945 [SPEAKER_01]: Is their logic behind it? 00:34.145 --> 00:37.569 [SPEAKER_01]: How did we get where we are now and who's broken out to change that equation? 00:37.689 --> 00:38.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus. 00:38.350 --> 00:54.600 [SPEAKER_01]: The rises and followers of the week as we draw closer to the end of the minor league campaign not many more of these unless we want to do triple a only rises and followers we are coming to the bottom of the barrel here so who looks the best and what's going on down on the farm Eric thank you for joining me appreciate you make time as always. 00:55.410 --> 00:56.191 [SPEAKER_00]: No, anytime. 00:56.271 --> 01:03.258 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad to be back to a little bit of a hiatus last week to get some much needed rest, a nice little staycation for me. 01:03.278 --> 01:05.640 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't even have to deal with any of the hassles of travels, so that was nice. 01:06.441 --> 01:14.689 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, this was kind of an exciting time of year because minor league seasons are winding down, especially the lower levels, and we're starting to get a real sense as to how aggressive teams are one of them. 01:14.709 --> 01:18.153 [SPEAKER_00]: For most, you know, promote guys, because this is when we start seeing those cameo appearances, 01:18.633 --> 01:22.794 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, guys been at high AL-year, maybe they get much answer AA for a little bit to see what happens. 01:23.474 --> 01:29.436 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a fun time because we can see a lot of movement and it's a lot of telling movement. 01:29.456 --> 01:39.579 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not just, oh, we're just going to move guys around because we have to make move for, we have to just make room for draftees or, you know, we're doing this, but this a wave of releases and we'll set the fill spots. 01:39.599 --> 01:42.620 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a time of year when intentions are made known, so it's a lot fun. 01:43.578 --> 01:48.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Yankees are certainly moving people around Wilburson, Dupania, Yoast, Dupania, and Roderick areas. 01:49.046 --> 01:51.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't let me tooth that Roderick areas horn too loudly. 01:51.229 --> 01:52.291 [SPEAKER_01]: We will talk about the Yankees. 01:52.371 --> 01:58.460 [SPEAKER_01]: I am higher on them than pipeline is, but of course, a lot goes into these things and not going to disparage the rank 01:58.700 --> 02:00.521 [SPEAKER_01]: they're the basis for this show again. 02:00.561 --> 02:10.928 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're joining us, you can find us here on the Baseball Insiders Monday Wednesday Friday with Robert Murray as our insider co-hosting bringing me the information he gathers from throughout the league he opens his notebook for you all. 02:11.008 --> 02:20.815 [SPEAKER_01]: Erica's with me on Tuesday is to talk prospects to talk wide ranging impacts of prospects and their new landing spots and the offseason midseason etc plus like we said diving deep in what promotions. 02:21.155 --> 02:44.302 [SPEAKER_01]: Matter what makes sense and who's the favorite for certain honors across this grand spectrum of minor like baseball You can also join us in the discord where you go bother air or Robert or me at any time if you are in all star There's a private Q&A for all of y'all on Thursdays at 3 p.m. Eastern So if you're on YouTube you could just hit that join button you get the discord link if you're listening to us on your favorite podcast platform head on over to you too, but yes, there isn't audio feed as well. 02:44.322 --> 02:44.882 [SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate 02:45.202 --> 02:50.524 [SPEAKER_01]: However, you do listen, if you're a gamer, the fan side at time machine game is daily and it is now live. 02:50.544 --> 03:00.506 [SPEAKER_01]: So all you have to do is scan this QR code to connect a link through generation start with a modern player, go through his teammates all the way to the past, can you successfully manage that challenge? 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04:25.960 --> 04:30.182 [SPEAKER_01]: With all the talent in the world on their major league roster, outside of the closed respond right field. 04:30.643 --> 04:34.325 [SPEAKER_01]: Why are the Dodgers the number one farm system and major league baseball right now? 04:34.445 --> 04:35.586 [SPEAKER_01]: Or why not push back? 04:35.986 --> 04:37.007 [SPEAKER_01]: But how did they get here? 04:38.433 --> 04:45.119 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, let me suggest that the Dodger system is certainly the deepest system in baseball. 04:45.179 --> 04:50.243 [SPEAKER_00]: They have, they have top 100 prospects there, you know, eight, nine, deep and they have a few other guys who might have arguments for it. 04:50.864 --> 04:54.927 [SPEAKER_00]: So I understand why the ranking was made. 04:55.608 --> 05:03.675 [SPEAKER_00]: That said, I do think that there's a few teams and the Dodgers are one of them that their prospects get a lot of 05:05.093 --> 05:09.757 [SPEAKER_00]: inflation both is from the franchise itself, kind of like they're they're very good at their own PR. 05:10.918 --> 05:13.260 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, how do I put this? 05:14.021 --> 05:22.949 [SPEAKER_00]: Their double interpolate teams play in very hit or friendly leagues, which means that both of those teams, the numbers are going to look loud regardless. 05:23.389 --> 05:27.093 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they have a few guys that have these power numbers that aren't necessarily probably real. 05:28.164 --> 05:38.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, we've talked a little bit like dire hope has like had some touches here and there, but I kind of like the hit tool, but just wait to Paula again, he's a top end talent, but once you skip past him, there's guys with flaws. 05:38.987 --> 05:45.029 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you think about it, the Dodgers haven't won with homegrown talent in a while. 05:45.969 --> 05:46.409 [SPEAKER_00]: That is him. 05:46.749 --> 05:48.390 [SPEAKER_00]: They've had top, they've had top-ranked guys. 05:48.790 --> 05:52.971 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember how highly Gavin Lux was rated, and well, the numbers he put up in the PCL? 05:54.131 --> 05:56.492 [SPEAKER_00]: That spoilers, that did not last very long. 05:57.178 --> 06:06.706 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that a part of it is just kind of the industry, itself, they have access to more information and more of a lot of story and information about Dodgers prospects. 06:06.926 --> 06:08.167 [SPEAKER_00]: This can be true of the Yankees, too. 06:08.187 --> 06:11.891 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a few other teams that just seemed to constantly, like, I think the borers are particularly good at it, too. 06:13.552 --> 06:15.013 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of getting information about their guys. 06:15.434 --> 06:25.042 [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like if there's more information available then they kind of get right tired because people can kind of convince themselves otherwise, whereas a team, for example, the braves, they would prefer no one watch moderately games. 06:25.881 --> 06:28.063 [SPEAKER_00]: They just, they don't want anyone that knows who's good and who's not. 06:28.463 --> 06:28.864 [SPEAKER_00]: They just don't. 06:29.564 --> 06:36.390 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a result, it's kind of, makes it to where they're, even if they're better than what they're ranked as, they won't ever get that press for it. 06:36.911 --> 06:38.953 [SPEAKER_00]: So in the doctor's case, I understand what they're number one. 06:39.133 --> 06:40.294 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree that they're number one. 06:41.355 --> 06:43.377 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the margins as much as people think it is. 06:43.597 --> 06:52.805 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that some of these guys, my own Christian Christians, those of the way that comes to mind, I don't know if they stare like Mike's, I like Mike's rota, I don't necessarily use a different, I think he's a, gonna be a good hitter. 06:54.632 --> 06:56.313 [SPEAKER_00]: think he's going to be crazy, right? 06:56.673 --> 07:09.882 [SPEAKER_00]: And so if you have a lot of those guys who are just going to be like, good, every day guys, that is hard to do and you want your apartment system to crack those guys out, but just because they're burned down dribbly, it doesn't mean that they're just constantly cracking out of all starts because they're the bath to just, that's not true. 07:09.922 --> 07:12.164 [SPEAKER_00]: And particularly in the pitching side, they can't keep those guys healthy. 07:14.918 --> 07:18.320 [SPEAKER_01]: true and like you said, the major league output suggests that's not true. 07:18.640 --> 07:22.443 [SPEAKER_01]: They have spun Gavin locks into gold, but also into Mike's a road. 07:22.463 --> 07:24.304 [SPEAKER_01]: And so like it does Mike's a road to get a chance. 07:24.384 --> 07:29.227 [SPEAKER_01]: It is so hard for a Dodgers prospect, even at top 100 guy, told him to really crack this roster. 07:29.487 --> 07:33.270 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's been the case throughout this whole diagnostic stretch, which I guess. 07:33.690 --> 07:34.971 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm dating back to 1718. 07:34.991 --> 07:41.734 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about the last decade as in the Dodgers of this monolith and the gold standard. 07:41.894 --> 07:50.217 [SPEAKER_01]: In order to start for the Dodgers, over the potential of an established free agent, you have to be in Megastar. 07:50.277 --> 07:51.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Gavin Lux could not break through. 07:52.218 --> 07:54.379 [SPEAKER_01]: And he got regular reps really reluctantly. 07:54.499 --> 08:00.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Alex Freeland, like these are top 100 guys who come up and just, you know, the doctors don't really, I don't know what we're going to do with you. 08:00.381 --> 08:01.542 [SPEAKER_01]: It's certainly not starting. 08:01.562 --> 08:10.145 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go ahead and get mooky bets and Tommy Emmett and Tiazker Hernandez and find the right pieces instead of just saying this role will eventually be filled by a prospect. 08:10.205 --> 08:16.147 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is, you know, some fans of some other teams are annoyed when their homegrown guys don't get a chance. 08:16.207 --> 08:18.848 [SPEAKER_01]: But the Dodgers almost never give their homegrown guys 08:20.309 --> 08:21.810 [SPEAKER_01]: And instead, win world series. 08:21.970 --> 08:23.150 [SPEAKER_01]: So what do you want? 08:23.710 --> 08:32.214 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the other side of the equation, the number two team, which to me is just as notable, the rays moved up from preseason number 10 to number two, midseason. 08:32.254 --> 08:34.375 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is not all Brady Emerson. 08:34.835 --> 08:37.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Their system is always somewhat unkillable. 08:37.356 --> 08:41.378 [SPEAKER_01]: And they rely on their pipeline for everything. 08:42.118 --> 08:54.322 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, to flip or to graduate in any and to target on other teams undervalued assets like Johnny Deluca of the Dodgers to go ahead and maximize whatever that may be in turn that a new useful piece. 08:55.042 --> 08:57.863 [SPEAKER_01]: That to me should be just as notable as the Dodgers getting the number one spot. 08:57.923 --> 08:59.064 [SPEAKER_01]: How did the rays get here? 08:59.464 --> 09:04.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, which is, again, why we asked, hey, don't you guys just want to do the Terrix school trade once. 09:04.786 --> 09:05.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you want to do it one time? 09:06.186 --> 09:08.627 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't, they still have this insane farm, but here we are. 09:10.533 --> 09:22.417 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, the race do this as good or better than anyone in baseball, but they are really good at identifying young count that most people don't have a strong feeling for. 09:23.117 --> 09:31.680 [SPEAKER_00]: They famously, basically, stole Radio Rosarina from the Cardinals in a trade that, and he was a throw in, like no one really thought much about it, and then he turned into what he was, right? 09:32.280 --> 09:32.540 [SPEAKER_00]: So, 09:33.625 --> 09:46.859 [SPEAKER_00]: In the case of the race, they have, well, any greeting in person, I think did actually it was a pretty big deal, but almost as big was that Theo Gillen became from a pretty good top 100 guy to one of the better hitters, according to a lot of rankings. 09:47.199 --> 09:48.160 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have him quite that high. 09:49.021 --> 09:53.545 [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, if you want to find out what I had to rank it, make sure you look at the fan side of top 100 prospect list. 09:53.866 --> 09:55.848 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, recently, the include draft beat, the draft class. 09:56.288 --> 09:59.350 [SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't have him quite that high, but he's very good, right? 09:59.390 --> 10:00.731 [SPEAKER_00]: He makes consistently hard contact. 10:01.151 --> 10:07.796 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Katie Bowdoin, who I just had no idea was going to be like hit in 400 full of half the season. 10:08.156 --> 10:11.478 [SPEAKER_00]: He's moving up multiple levels, it's a legitimate catching prospect. 10:12.535 --> 10:14.877 [SPEAKER_00]: These are the kinds of guys that the rays just somehow find. 10:14.897 --> 10:19.021 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, taking rays, not an end that I knew until the rays got them. 10:19.421 --> 10:22.544 [SPEAKER_00]: And now he's a borderline top 100, prospect if not a top 100 prospect period. 10:22.564 --> 10:27.048 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's hitting, he's a crazy athletic first place and kind of that can run. 10:27.088 --> 10:29.230 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he's going to play defense, but much of a matter. 10:29.851 --> 10:30.511 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of, 10:31.867 --> 10:34.028 [SPEAKER_00]: But the raises like look, we have these tools. 10:34.089 --> 10:36.850 [SPEAKER_00]: If these guys can do these things, we can teach them how to play baseball somewhere. 10:37.371 --> 10:38.611 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're very, very good at it. 10:38.792 --> 10:45.756 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not surprised to see them in the top five anytime, because there's going to be like, in their top 10, there's three guys where I'm like, who is that? 10:46.136 --> 10:48.318 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I start looking into it and I'm like, oh, 10:49.018 --> 10:49.298 [SPEAKER_00]: Got it. 10:49.498 --> 10:49.658 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:49.758 --> 10:50.019 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 10:50.039 --> 10:50.299 [SPEAKER_00]: Got it. 10:50.319 --> 10:50.479 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:50.499 --> 10:57.042 [SPEAKER_00]: Just another short stop that you found and like, you know, the the battles of Iowa somewhere and they turned into a real baseball player. 10:57.102 --> 11:05.767 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they wouldn't just grab courtesy out of Australia a few years ago and, you know, he's not with them anymore, but he was more than a top just the regular top 100 prospect when they had. 11:06.907 --> 11:07.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't lie. 11:07.927 --> 11:13.229 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wasn't sure how to pronounce Tate and Gray until this podcast that you aren't talking about another guy they found. 11:13.249 --> 11:24.954 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's not, and not only is that not a name on the prospect, but that's not a name in polite society, T-A-I-T-N. Yeah, I think that certainly the spell checks don't like that one at all. 11:24.994 --> 11:32.577 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way to let you just turn off all proper nouns and just like just let it just let it ride because that's definitely definitely a weird thing, but the guy can play. 11:32.877 --> 11:35.278 [SPEAKER_01]: definitely write the dragon situation that guy's good. 11:35.738 --> 11:41.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, look, there are there are other systems that had some massive surges and they might have surprised me a little bit. 11:41.782 --> 11:48.285 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if they surprised you big jumps from the giants and nationals and and you don't 11:48.805 --> 11:55.587 [SPEAKER_01]: jump in these rankings just because of Joe's Arkansas as his emergency or Eli Willett's debut and he's been solid. 11:55.607 --> 12:10.832 [SPEAKER_01]: He's had his ups and downs, you know, he has not quite taken the baseball world by storm to the point where he can, you know, helium alert, an entire system all by himself, but thoughts on what you're seeing from the giants and that's I think the giants did a really good job of the trade deadlines we talked on previous shows. 12:11.412 --> 12:15.214 [SPEAKER_01]: getting low land and plundering the fillings in the way they did, even getting cadence can't. 12:15.254 --> 12:26.740 [SPEAKER_01]: I do not, I don't think that's why they jumped up the top 100 pros, you know, the top 30 systems as far as they did, but your thoughts on Gonzales, will it's in those two systems who make it a climb? 12:26.780 --> 12:27.681 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, start with the Giants. 12:28.081 --> 12:30.182 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the JustWorkons also is going to get the headline. 12:30.202 --> 12:31.503 [SPEAKER_00]: She's the top international prospect. 12:31.523 --> 12:35.605 [SPEAKER_00]: She's the top guy on their list, and he has a role chance to be at impact in the builder. 12:35.665 --> 12:38.126 [SPEAKER_00]: And baseball going forward, probably, but he's a little bit 12:39.902 --> 12:51.483 [SPEAKER_00]: What I think the giants have done particularly well is they've had a really good mix of like surprisingly good mix of hitters and pictures that just feel like that they have major league tools they got the best picture in the draft and Jackson floor. 12:52.490 --> 12:58.673 [SPEAKER_00]: that that certainly helps the cost and he doesn't have to be particularly awesome to pitch well in San Francisco. 12:58.973 --> 13:02.354 [SPEAKER_00]: So having a really good guy who also has kind of those California connections that helps a lot. 13:03.154 --> 13:12.218 [SPEAKER_00]: Then you kind of still a little bit further down with Gavin Killing, really fun name to look at Carson Bowlemon from this year's draft, really kind of really fun name to add to the system. 13:12.258 --> 13:16.960 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are all additions that seem to have these tools that this 13:18.512 --> 13:27.379 [SPEAKER_00]: that really emphasize athleticism, and hopefully they're developing a third of them who can just figure out how to find a good position more than in the more they're ultimately to defend some calmness. 13:28.119 --> 13:34.444 [SPEAKER_00]: The nationals, if you look at their list, it just does not look like they should have gotten this much love, but I will say this. 13:35.044 --> 13:38.167 [SPEAKER_00]: It shows an amount of love for two prospects in particular. 13:38.727 --> 13:51.270 [SPEAKER_00]: that I am, I endorse being patient with, Jefferson for as one, Adam, we've talked about him before, been hurt for a long time, but when he is on, he's a top five pitching prospect in baseball. 13:51.450 --> 13:52.490 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any problem saying that. 13:52.810 --> 13:55.811 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not been healthy, so you can't earn him that high. 13:56.191 --> 13:57.652 [SPEAKER_00]: I was tempted, but I did not. 13:58.632 --> 13:58.792 [SPEAKER_00]: And, 14:00.219 --> 14:01.840 [SPEAKER_00]: the other name is Seever King. 14:02.540 --> 14:08.783 [SPEAKER_00]: In that he took him along like he blooms, looking like a first round bust for the first couple years of his minor league career. 14:09.224 --> 14:11.024 [SPEAKER_00]: And this year he just seems to figure things out. 14:11.044 --> 14:14.226 [SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden you have the former normal one over up, picking on Elon Woods, who's very good. 14:14.906 --> 14:21.550 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Cyclora, if you're believing in him, then Jarlin, so Zana, that he's further away, I'm maybe a less bullish on him. 14:21.990 --> 14:24.651 [SPEAKER_00]: But in Seever, he, the guy has a 9.7 OPS this year. 14:26.572 --> 14:28.713 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you wanted from him as a first round pick. 14:28.733 --> 14:31.893 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been downgraded a little bit in the minds of some people because he had a couple of down years. 14:32.293 --> 14:33.334 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like what he's done. 14:33.654 --> 14:38.135 [SPEAKER_00]: I've liked what that player development program has kind of done with some of their key guys. 14:38.435 --> 14:41.516 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they had a few guys who were just like, we're not thriving in that system. 14:41.976 --> 14:46.217 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they get new regime in and all of a sudden, they figure things out again. 14:46.257 --> 14:47.897 [SPEAKER_00]: So I like what's happening over there in Washington for sure. 14:49.052 --> 14:57.334 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I was surprised because I am low on Susanna a little bit to see them rock it so far up, but I think that's a good justification for it. 14:58.215 --> 15:02.896 [SPEAKER_01]: I do love, I like Killing too, and nobody was cooler at the future to game by the way, so he's got a fan for life. 15:02.936 --> 15:10.098 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were, if you're a chill to me and chill to the other end, I'm on board, he was super good dude, and also obviously having to break out year. 15:10.738 --> 15:12.359 [SPEAKER_01]: uh now training towards the bottom. 15:12.379 --> 15:26.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Um Yankees 27 surprises no one, although I do think um I think even Yankees fans would say yeah obviously we're not the top you know half of all farm systems but it does feel to me I'm a fan it does feel to me like there's enough there and if breakouts they should be 15:27.243 --> 15:32.985 [SPEAKER_01]: closer to 20th 21st rather than 27th, but here we are, the Red Sox 24th. 15:33.245 --> 15:36.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, they have survived and thrived off their farm system in recent years. 15:37.246 --> 15:43.267 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that is what happens when you trade the whole farm for Adley Ruchman, but thoughts on those two somewhat bleak assassins. 15:43.287 --> 15:52.770 [SPEAKER_01]: The Red Sox have graduated tons of talent, but I think I was shocked to see them, you know, realistically noted that they graduated enough talent to get all the way down there to 24th. 15:53.590 --> 16:04.697 [SPEAKER_01]: uh, given that they still do have Justin Gonzalez moving on up that they still do have uh, Franklin areas in the top five consensus top three basically in any farms, you know, any top prospect ranking you'll see. 16:04.997 --> 16:14.163 [SPEAKER_01]: So to see in that far down the list, it makes it seem like it's really drags outside of our areas, which I disagree with, but uh, thoughts on those two ALE's Titans sort of hanging out at the bottom of the barrel. 16:14.822 --> 16:16.843 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these are very different scenarios situations. 16:16.903 --> 16:17.804 [SPEAKER_00]: Starting with the last thing. 16:18.164 --> 16:23.247 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, they have some guys with a lot of the guys who are relatively close to either graduate or are far away, right? 16:23.387 --> 16:25.269 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and we're having, we're having a pan down. 16:25.329 --> 16:26.810 [SPEAKER_00]: They do have RIS, he's very good. 16:27.310 --> 16:34.615 [SPEAKER_00]: But these rankings like, you can have a top five prospect, but if you don't have the depth, then you can get punished because I think a lot of teams are just better than they used to be. 16:35.692 --> 16:40.417 [SPEAKER_00]: at developing and more importantly, we have never seen across the recording like we have in this day and age. 16:40.477 --> 16:41.939 [SPEAKER_00]: People that just, they're overvalued. 16:42.359 --> 16:46.163 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone thinks that they're guys who be the next guy, or at least they're trying to guess what the steps what they're asking prices. 16:47.004 --> 16:53.050 [SPEAKER_00]: So once you have that, they've had a couple guys get hurt to and they haven't really paned out, especially on the outfield side. 16:54.071 --> 16:56.554 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand why Boston is in the position that they're in. 16:57.971 --> 17:03.874 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also kind of an indictment of some of the trades that they've done, where they have to give way big lead down to try to get back to frostbite return. 17:04.174 --> 17:09.097 [SPEAKER_00]: And those returns haven't really exactly given them what they needed from those trades. 17:09.657 --> 17:10.358 [SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees are different. 17:11.458 --> 17:18.662 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Yankees would be ranked probably 10 spots higher if decks kill B and cartles in around here hadn't gotten hurt. 17:20.189 --> 17:20.629 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 17:20.649 --> 17:24.013 [SPEAKER_00]: When two of your top four guys are hurt for most of the year, that's tough. 17:24.494 --> 17:25.214 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough set. 17:25.895 --> 17:29.839 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, again, I don't think anyone should be up sitting and look at George Lombar's in great. 17:30.120 --> 17:30.560 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 17:30.760 --> 17:34.004 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's, he's, he's been good and the very least you have to deal with they ain't say he won't be anymore. 17:34.745 --> 17:42.428 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not a pitching prospect that most lay people would immediately go, he makes our system whole lot better. 17:42.828 --> 17:43.608 [SPEAKER_00]: I like him a lot. 17:43.869 --> 17:48.990 [SPEAKER_00]: You like him a lot, but he's ticked in the spot where it doesn't necessarily automatically have that value built in. 17:50.431 --> 18:05.915 [SPEAKER_00]: I could see that them coming back, especially if DAX comes like it's coming back and has really good up, but at a ball metrics and all this other stuff, and then look, we get good news on Carlos DeGronier, and then maybe DAX like, you know, everyone's like, wow, this spring, DAX was just looking crazy good on the on the mound. 18:05.975 --> 18:08.555 [SPEAKER_00]: So I could see them being ranked significantly higher. 18:08.995 --> 18:13.376 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't, I don't, I understand why they're ranked as low as they are. 18:13.436 --> 18:16.737 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily mean that that's a very fixed position. 18:16.757 --> 18:19.298 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I think it's very likely that they'll be significantly higher before 18:21.175 --> 18:26.317 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just killby, you know, taking three weeks worth of babies and Lagrange going down mid-year, too. 18:26.357 --> 18:35.200 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all of that depth that they bragged about in the pitching department has basically been absent, you know, Chase Hampton, Bryce Cunningham, Pico Cone, has not appeared. 18:35.220 --> 18:40.281 [SPEAKER_01]: Like these guys that you're hearing about, as Fetcher heard, has been great in small sampling. 18:40.301 --> 18:44.263 [SPEAKER_01]: But these guys that you're hearing about, like, wow, they really nailed the 3rd through 7th round. 18:44.283 --> 18:44.883 [SPEAKER_01]: All these pictures. 18:44.903 --> 18:46.223 [SPEAKER_01]: These guys basically didn't appear this year. 18:46.243 --> 18:47.484 [SPEAKER_01]: You're all had down years. 18:47.604 --> 18:49.324 [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll get you where you are. 18:51.305 --> 19:05.626 [SPEAKER_01]: the tarpons the low a team like just keep your eyes peeled for that international class that just graduated to full season ball and then guy like Jackson love it you might win the Yankees moderately offensive player the year and and core jacks and then guys from last year's class. 19:06.227 --> 19:23.778 [SPEAKER_01]: It still feels to me like they should be closer to 21st or 22nd, but I understand the argument and again at this point we are splitting here is I am not saying there are top chances of in pipeline hate some I'm saying they're closer to them, you know, the high end of the lower third and that's kind of a work that is the definition of splitting hairs, but. 19:24.738 --> 19:41.300 [SPEAKER_01]: thoughts anything else that we haven't touched on left over thoughts notable takeaways from the system rerancer or the end of the year shuffling anyone who's gotten the bumper the call up that intrigues you as you mentioned at the top of the show people you're excited to see hit the next level and maybe changes these rankings around a little bit the next time we see them. 19:42.958 --> 19:44.100 [SPEAKER_00]: There's certainly been some movement. 19:44.120 --> 19:46.162 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see how they do in their higher levels. 19:46.182 --> 19:53.631 [SPEAKER_00]: For example, Alex Lodi says it's getting bumped up for the break for the second time this year to double a, now I have some concern about his hit tools and we'll be able to find out soon enough that that's going to work. 19:54.072 --> 20:00.619 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the biggest thing for me, I'm mentioning that I understood why the, like, why the daughter's a ring number one. 20:01.600 --> 20:07.242 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't, I would have, right, the brewer system, the number one spot, and I wouldn't have blaint at doing so. 20:07.542 --> 20:11.584 [SPEAKER_00]: They have the top overall cost, like in baseball, they have multiple top 15-ish type guys. 20:12.144 --> 20:15.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Anzuski is just criminally underrated on most top 100s. 20:15.105 --> 20:16.506 [SPEAKER_00]: The guy is very, very good. 20:16.866 --> 20:26.190 [SPEAKER_00]: They develop pitters as well or better than anybody, and I don't know what magic they have with pitchers, but they just like turn guys who just seem to do not have a clue, especially with their command issues. 20:26.971 --> 20:31.798 [SPEAKER_00]: If there's a guy that has really good stuff and has command issues, if you get it with the brush, he's going to turn into a top five side out of Canada. 20:32.210 --> 20:32.610 [SPEAKER_00]: full stop. 20:32.630 --> 20:33.590 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just what's going to happen. 20:33.810 --> 20:34.871 [SPEAKER_00]: It might not last forever. 20:35.131 --> 20:36.191 [SPEAKER_00]: There might be injuries involved. 20:36.211 --> 20:41.012 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not like uniquely good at getting longevity other guys, but they'll make the pictures much better. 20:41.572 --> 20:44.573 [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, I'm just looking, I guess, look at their list over and over again. 20:44.673 --> 20:46.393 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, Hey, this is my day. 20:47.214 --> 20:47.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Luis Panio. 20:48.234 --> 20:49.874 [SPEAKER_00]: Josh Adams is he Luis Lara. 20:50.274 --> 20:55.375 [SPEAKER_00]: Ray Adel plus who plus their draft class plus the guy that's probably ranked 17th ranking. 20:55.395 --> 20:56.936 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to turn to an all star next year. 21:02.617 --> 21:04.019 [SPEAKER_00]: You want or target an injury. 21:04.039 --> 21:09.205 [SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of getting into that raised territory if they if they target a guy Everyone's like now wait a minute. 21:09.745 --> 21:21.138 [SPEAKER_00]: What did we miss because it's not gonna be their first round guy necessarily But if there's gonna be a six-round pick that breaks out next year It's a really good idea to bet that the brooms will be one to do it 21:22.908 --> 21:29.154 [SPEAKER_01]: One more thought on one of this year's drafties to in the way it relates to these classes because you mentioned the giants guys changing the way that they're viewed. 21:29.875 --> 21:41.265 [SPEAKER_01]: The Philly system again does not deserve to move up their engines at this point, but I will just say that they're the clear water fresher is at low a the jaws music should be playing for Dante nori Aruneska bar Brian ring cone. 21:49.452 --> 21:57.416 [SPEAKER_01]: It's in 360, 6th of this juncture and he should get the high a bump before too much, like honestly, if it's a week, just like, why is he in low weight clear water at this point? 21:57.436 --> 22:00.457 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess, maybe honestly, maybe they just pulled him and he's like, I love Florida. 22:00.477 --> 22:04.099 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, all right, enjoy your August, but this guy has done enough for me. 22:04.619 --> 22:13.123 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not moving the fillings far, but I am said, like, even over inger, I get you have to defer to injured Tyler Spangler and rank and where he's at in the updated top 30. 22:13.223 --> 22:16.104 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, this guy's a top four prospect in the fillings system. 22:16.124 --> 22:17.785 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy's right behind Ren Duryo, who we're getting. 22:19.102 --> 22:20.263 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like Buggable a lot. 22:20.323 --> 22:22.385 [SPEAKER_00]: We talked a little bit about him before the draft. 22:23.066 --> 22:24.707 [SPEAKER_00]: The exit velocity has always been allowed. 22:24.807 --> 22:27.710 [SPEAKER_00]: My only concern is that he's also striking out about a third of the time right now. 22:28.232 --> 22:28.992 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't really do that. 22:29.413 --> 22:31.294 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, this isn't new. 22:31.974 --> 22:32.754 [SPEAKER_00]: Unboot concert. 22:33.015 --> 22:37.637 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you just ever ball you hit over a hundred miles an hour, you can probably overlook some swing and miss issues. 22:38.097 --> 22:40.339 [SPEAKER_00]: But I agree, he's been better than I thought he was going to be. 22:40.399 --> 22:44.301 [SPEAKER_00]: That got him in a really good place in the draft to kind of get value for that pick as well. 22:44.601 --> 22:45.662 [SPEAKER_00]: I really like to pick when it happens. 22:45.682 --> 22:46.682 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they did a really good job. 22:46.722 --> 22:49.704 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how far his hit tool can take him for now. 22:50.164 --> 22:55.387 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not going to be overly shocked if he hits enough to where even if he strikes out more 22:58.805 --> 23:00.106 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, what did we get wrong? 23:00.146 --> 23:01.488 [SPEAKER_01]: What did pipeline get right? 23:01.928 --> 23:02.949 [SPEAKER_01]: Please weigh in the comments. 23:02.969 --> 23:04.350 [SPEAKER_01]: Let us know before we sign off. 23:04.451 --> 23:11.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Eric, the risers and followers of the week who is moving up and down the latter at the minor league level and the risers include one of those silly prospects I just mentioned. 23:13.139 --> 23:14.821 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is this is going to be a fun one. 23:15.281 --> 23:17.844 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll start with the phrase prospect because I'm a hopeless homework. 23:19.258 --> 23:20.939 [SPEAKER_00]: But also because he made headlines over the weekend. 23:20.999 --> 23:24.903 [SPEAKER_00]: If you look at his overall line, it's already good enough to have his, being in the conversation here. 23:24.943 --> 23:29.607 [SPEAKER_00]: It's on 11, like a 100-ish LPS last week with three doubles, five homers and 17 RBIs. 23:29.667 --> 23:36.673 [SPEAKER_00]: What that doesn't tell you is that 16 of those 17 RBIs and five, and all five of those homers came in the two days they have. 23:36.833 --> 23:40.136 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably one of the best two days since I have seen from a prospect. 23:40.856 --> 23:44.018 [SPEAKER_00]: would be remiss if I didn't mention him in this particular conversation. 23:44.938 --> 23:47.480 [SPEAKER_00]: Lower in levels, we got Francisco Rodriguez, you thought mentioned. 23:48.240 --> 23:51.942 [SPEAKER_00]: Peter really can be 12 for 18, hit three homers, a couple of tripals. 23:52.002 --> 23:58.586 [SPEAKER_00]: I love seeing multiple tripal weeks, I'm not sure why that maybe then next week we're, you walk more of these truck out and stole five bases, just kind of did everything. 23:59.086 --> 24:00.807 [SPEAKER_00]: And then finally, Drengel of Syngen. 24:02.447 --> 24:09.893 [SPEAKER_00]: I am very happy that they abandoned the switchpitching thing, because I think he's just been a much better machine prospect from the right side than the left. 24:10.354 --> 24:16.599 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, it was kind of cool to have, and if you could be really good at both, it was clear that his right arm was developing more. 24:16.879 --> 24:19.801 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the Cardinals now, they've got them, they're like, that's where you're going to do with you. 24:19.861 --> 24:21.082 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be drawing with your right arm. 24:21.423 --> 24:22.564 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happened this past week. 24:23.840 --> 24:28.645 [SPEAKER_00]: And Piction says that in settings two hits one or in run 11 strikeouts against just one walk. 24:28.865 --> 24:29.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Look really really good. 24:30.387 --> 24:31.948 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll put it to my followers really quick. 24:31.968 --> 24:40.056 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to link her here because it always makes me feel sad speaking of zir hope that we're talking about before the before the this segment. 24:41.024 --> 24:42.165 [SPEAKER_00]: hasn't been good with the Tigers. 24:42.525 --> 24:48.430 [SPEAKER_00]: This has not, and that is a bad look for a team that was already getting blasted for their return from scheduled for school. 24:48.790 --> 24:57.337 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, I'm not super worried about him who's been so good this year, but when you have a three-cylinder I know guest from Tigers and two hits in your last seven games, and you were the headline piece. 24:57.497 --> 24:57.958 [SPEAKER_00]: Not so great. 24:58.618 --> 25:02.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Another headliner, Rocholowski, a guy who I liked a lot, and I'm not concerned about it. 25:02.562 --> 25:04.383 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a good start from his broker here. 25:04.403 --> 25:07.346 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sitting in multiple multi-hit games, looked like he was the belong. 25:07.706 --> 25:12.150 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance that maybe he would be moved a little faster, and we would initially think was a pro debut. 25:12.910 --> 25:14.532 [SPEAKER_00]: But now he only has one hit in his last five games. 25:14.952 --> 25:15.712 [SPEAKER_00]: which isn't so great. 25:15.752 --> 25:16.873 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you pump the brakes a little bit. 25:17.453 --> 25:22.555 [SPEAKER_00]: You cut the ice and slack long college season is getting used to bring professional moving it to a brand new place. 25:22.876 --> 25:23.796 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worried about him at all. 25:23.836 --> 25:24.556 [SPEAKER_00]: He's very, very good. 25:24.977 --> 25:29.519 [SPEAKER_00]: And the last thing is a name that like for a while we were just talking about like what he just keeps hitting like it. 25:29.699 --> 25:31.159 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he just better than we think he has. 25:31.179 --> 25:32.320 [SPEAKER_00]: That's Michael and Roya. 25:33.200 --> 25:34.021 [SPEAKER_00]: He has slow down. 25:35.041 --> 25:36.662 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, only two hits in his last six. 25:37.142 --> 25:41.204 [SPEAKER_00]: But this feels more like a bad series than a problem or a trend. 25:41.444 --> 25:43.906 [SPEAKER_00]: because the previous series, he was one of the better prospects. 25:44.266 --> 25:46.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Any prospects in baseball, least production wise. 25:46.487 --> 25:50.850 [SPEAKER_00]: But I guess Reno, for whatever reasons, had his number, and he just had a tough time in that particular series. 25:50.890 --> 25:53.212 [SPEAKER_00]: But those are kind of, those are kind of the names I was saying about this week. 25:54.012 --> 25:57.875 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this five guys gave me nightmares about a person who doesn't exist named Tate and Sinjia. 25:57.915 --> 26:00.116 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll be thinking about that heading in next week's show. 26:00.437 --> 26:04.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for joining us here on the baseball insiders prospect show. 26:05.200 --> 26:08.162 [SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate it, and we will see you right back here this time next week.