WEBVTT 00:00.652 --> 00:02.776 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get ready to talk to me! 00:19.806 --> 00:35.721 [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on guys welcome to talk this podcast for knife makers knife enthusiast DIYers and all is I'm Jeff Fader from Fader knives I'm here with Craig Lockwood a shop knives and we're looking forward to seeing our man Rekamo Massey, Mamassey, Fire Arts soon You know, we're just a podcast every week. 00:35.761 --> 00:36.942 [SPEAKER_02]: We do knife stuff. 00:36.982 --> 00:37.783 [SPEAKER_02]: We answer your question. 00:37.803 --> 00:39.245 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not just a podcast. 00:39.325 --> 00:40.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not just a podcast. 00:40.526 --> 00:41.347 [SPEAKER_01]: We're a way of life 00:43.348 --> 00:46.711 [SPEAKER_02]: I really, I love God, we are a way of life. 00:46.811 --> 00:52.556 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, funny enough, before we were press record, we were talking about all sorts of life stuff. 00:52.576 --> 01:04.606 [SPEAKER_02]: And all I can think of is, within the confines of this whole podcast, you're starting it in Rote de, you have this whole life has been blossoming under the tarp of this podcast. 01:07.728 --> 01:14.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Children and all sorts of moving with a ring with a ring up loss of me What do you need? 01:15.792 --> 01:16.973 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a constant autumn. 01:16.993 --> 01:18.153 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I'm joking. 01:18.173 --> 01:18.654 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm joking. 01:18.694 --> 01:18.954 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm joking. 01:18.974 --> 01:19.834 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we all have. 01:20.014 --> 01:21.455 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I like to change hugely. 01:21.775 --> 01:25.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, your your child's grown up and gone away to university and moved. 01:25.856 --> 01:27.397 [SPEAKER_01]: going to different countries on their own. 01:27.457 --> 01:29.999 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, we've all changed massively. 01:30.339 --> 01:31.700 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a pretty amazing. 01:32.120 --> 01:41.906 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't all listened back to old episodes just because I'm just a kind of, I know I changed in a hopefully in a better way since we first started this whole thing. 01:42.406 --> 01:45.108 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there has been so many different things. 01:45.148 --> 01:47.369 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, it's, it's amazing. 01:47.749 --> 01:49.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Having the world has changed. 01:49.070 --> 01:50.591 [SPEAKER_01]: The world has changed so much. 01:50.972 --> 01:54.775 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like the world's changing every few every six months. 01:55.375 --> 02:03.082 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, the great part about this podcast is if you've listened from the beginning, every six months, you, Craig Locke would have had it. 02:03.782 --> 02:05.203 [SPEAKER_02]: Every six months, you've had it. 02:05.604 --> 02:09.527 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you'll make some sort of like declaration in regards to the world. 02:10.147 --> 02:13.450 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's always, I can always, it's almost like you can count on it. 02:14.031 --> 02:14.971 [SPEAKER_02]: Every six months. 02:15.872 --> 02:18.014 [SPEAKER_02]: Craig is gonna just like all right. 02:18.034 --> 02:27.022 [SPEAKER_02]: I have this microphone here, and I'm gonna tell you how it is No, I'm quite relaxed and chill at the moment. 02:27.082 --> 02:27.522 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all good. 02:27.782 --> 02:31.305 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay last week you had all these chicks catching 02:32.366 --> 02:55.936 [SPEAKER_01]: We did children are starting a chicken company with chicken road Yeah, like 96 fucking eggs and 96 eggs and We didn't have a very good hatch rate So the guy we bought the from he said he's kind of a 90% hatch rate of the eggs, which is pretty good It's a lot we had out of the 96. 02:55.956 --> 03:00.178 [SPEAKER_01]: We had 28 checks and I think I know why 03:01.379 --> 03:04.409 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's also all dependent on temperature and humidity. 03:06.722 --> 03:10.903 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've caught the kids a few times, just sneaking open the lid, just to have a look inside. 03:12.224 --> 03:15.605 [SPEAKER_01]: Particularly once we've had one or two hatched and you meant you just, you meant to be a lockdown. 03:15.625 --> 03:22.368 [SPEAKER_01]: You just leave everything even after they hatch for two days, just let them all fluff up and, you know, let the others hatch on the rest of it. 03:23.209 --> 03:29.992 [SPEAKER_01]: But as soon as we had one or two hatch, the kids were open and at the lid and picking them up and said, I'm just like, oh, the humidity just went down over the shop. 03:30.072 --> 03:32.853 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so we had, yeah, far less than we should have. 03:33.737 --> 03:34.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but no, it's all good. 03:35.178 --> 03:37.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, lots of fluffy chicks run the place. 03:37.500 --> 03:38.100 [SPEAKER_01]: It's quite nice. 03:38.280 --> 03:40.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're going to blame the kids. 03:40.722 --> 03:41.583 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to play a course. 03:41.623 --> 03:42.623 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to play a course. 03:42.723 --> 03:48.508 [SPEAKER_02]: I have that that's nightmare fuel. 03:48.528 --> 03:52.430 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, whatever you do, don't let him know until they're way into their teenager. 03:52.590 --> 03:53.051 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 03:53.091 --> 03:55.553 [SPEAKER_02]: That time you killed half the three quarters of the chicks. 03:56.473 --> 03:57.994 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about, Papa? 03:58.014 --> 03:59.955 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, shit, I don't know. 04:01.535 --> 04:02.416 [SPEAKER_01]: I tell you off. 04:02.736 --> 04:04.837 [SPEAKER_01]: They're quite robust when it comes to death. 04:04.877 --> 04:05.537 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you. 04:05.957 --> 04:07.177 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had a couple of these chicks die. 04:07.197 --> 04:08.418 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're just like, okay, get rid of them. 04:08.578 --> 04:09.859 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right, okay. 04:09.919 --> 04:13.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, they're ruthless, ruthless. 04:14.100 --> 04:16.161 [SPEAKER_02]: Papa, the toilet won't flash. 04:16.281 --> 04:16.721 [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on? 04:16.741 --> 04:17.882 [SPEAKER_02]: Do they call you Papa? 04:21.417 --> 04:21.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Papa. 04:22.077 --> 04:22.678 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay. 04:22.798 --> 04:24.059 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 04:24.139 --> 04:25.500 [SPEAKER_02]: I've kind of wanted to be Papa. 04:25.780 --> 04:29.982 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so that was the chicks this week. 04:30.002 --> 04:30.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Why else has been going on? 04:31.663 --> 04:32.844 [SPEAKER_01]: I went sailing for a couple of days. 04:33.184 --> 04:33.885 [SPEAKER_01]: We had to go. 04:33.925 --> 04:34.705 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you had it. 04:35.066 --> 04:35.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was all run the world. 04:35.946 --> 04:37.247 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you get the clips this week? 04:37.847 --> 04:38.147 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 04:38.228 --> 04:38.908 [SPEAKER_01]: In the US. 04:38.968 --> 04:39.348 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't. 04:39.468 --> 04:39.769 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 04:39.789 --> 04:40.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 04:40.309 --> 04:41.129 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a huge thing. 04:41.169 --> 04:45.692 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like a, I think it was 95% partially clips with a moving 04:47.557 --> 04:52.198 [SPEAKER_01]: The hell country went a little bit mad about it and it was just like all great not that well I'm going away anyway on the boat. 04:52.578 --> 04:53.858 [SPEAKER_01]: So I went further west. 04:54.018 --> 05:00.860 [SPEAKER_01]: I did 137 nautical miles in two days On my own on my own which is which is a bit crazy. 05:00.880 --> 05:01.340 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm knackered. 05:01.360 --> 05:08.381 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so tired But the whole point was to be able to see to see this eclipse and Which just I'm leaving that a little let down to be honest with you. 05:08.421 --> 05:09.301 [SPEAKER_01]: Just all right. 05:09.821 --> 05:17.343 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then But yeah, no, that was good to be out on the boat for all that time and and so on I got back last night 05:19.565 --> 05:23.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been quite, it's been quite a chill week, quite a chill week, yeah, I can't complain. 05:23.187 --> 05:24.368 [SPEAKER_01]: So you slept on the boat? 05:25.209 --> 05:26.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Slept on the boat, yes. 05:26.510 --> 05:26.990 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you aim? 05:27.050 --> 05:27.871 [SPEAKER_02]: I went out. 05:28.151 --> 05:28.832 [SPEAKER_01]: I went out. 05:28.972 --> 05:33.856 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a place called Oxford Bay in Swansea, which is quite a famous sort of anchorage. 05:34.156 --> 05:38.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful bay and, you know, lots of jet skis there and all these are not meant to be beautiful. 05:39.060 --> 05:41.041 [SPEAKER_01]: So I went and I anchored off. 05:42.825 --> 05:46.067 [SPEAKER_01]: And then all the other boats who are anchored, they all sort of pulled up their anchored and went. 05:46.647 --> 05:51.650 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was left there on my own and I got a little bit paranoid to him thinking, is the weather about to change or what's going on. 05:51.730 --> 05:55.352 [SPEAKER_01]: And before I knew it, a swell started coming in and the boat is rocking around like crazy. 05:55.432 --> 05:56.933 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so I whipped it. 05:57.093 --> 06:02.816 [SPEAKER_01]: I picked up the anchor and I went, I sailed for two hours to find the nearest Marina and sat in the arena for the night. 06:02.896 --> 06:04.357 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, really. 06:04.377 --> 06:06.778 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that seems like it's a smart idea. 06:07.243 --> 06:08.484 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it probably probably is. 06:08.544 --> 06:09.765 [SPEAKER_01]: It probably is the smartest idea. 06:09.805 --> 06:10.346 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 06:10.406 --> 06:11.847 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it would have been Final Tanker. 06:12.127 --> 06:14.229 [SPEAKER_01]: It'd just been uncomfortable just rolling around, you know. 06:15.050 --> 06:21.596 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, safe in Emmarina and then came back yesterday morning And spent the day sailing back yesterday. 06:21.636 --> 06:22.957 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was lovely really nice. 06:24.378 --> 06:25.559 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, long be continuing. 06:25.579 --> 06:28.121 [SPEAKER_01]: So it seemed not all not at all not at all. 06:28.141 --> 06:28.502 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. 06:28.642 --> 06:29.563 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that this sort of 06:31.147 --> 06:35.851 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels dangerous and it feels adventurous, but it's like control danger, if that makes sense. 06:35.871 --> 06:40.175 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've got backups for everything and everything, you know, it's safe as it can be. 06:41.036 --> 06:49.384 [SPEAKER_01]: But it feels special when you're on your own, going in and out of locks and things like that, and in and out of harbours and marinas, it's probably the most dangerous bit really. 06:49.644 --> 06:52.547 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're gonna really slow and close the land, we're gonna do that's the dangerous bit. 06:52.667 --> 06:52.887 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 06:53.535 --> 06:59.020 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I love it, but I did actually take lots of video this time, so I am going to put a video app, I think. 06:59.820 --> 07:00.781 [SPEAKER_01]: I love sailing videos. 07:01.342 --> 07:04.664 [SPEAKER_01]: I watch out, and I have to sail videos every week, rather. 07:04.684 --> 07:10.389 [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought, well, I'm out, I'm just going to record bits, and then, together, see what happens. 07:10.990 --> 07:20.758 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would, I would be, I think that you should do, I mean, I hate to say, dance to ground, because I follow, I don't do, I can't sit down and watch YouTube for some reason. 07:21.558 --> 07:23.519 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I do there's this one guy. 07:23.559 --> 07:24.699 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago. 07:24.719 --> 07:25.840 [SPEAKER_02]: It's called untied. 07:25.880 --> 07:39.505 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's nameless and he's just UK dude who's in the south Pacific and he's been sailing around the world And it's usually like I said before it's just like you him and like some girls all the time like you girls all the time and he's like a young stud. 07:39.525 --> 07:42.867 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got, you know, he seems like he's got the English British accent. 07:42.887 --> 07:45.708 [SPEAKER_02]: So he seems like he's pretty cool and he's in the, you know, 07:51.162 --> 07:59.066 [SPEAKER_02]: monstrous tumult and it's like every so often he'll he'll post they can't it's hard to cook It's hard to do anything. 07:59.106 --> 08:18.517 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just getting our brains bashing by waves and he's in the south Pacific and it's just like went you know Hoping lentiless everything's wet and hopefully there'll be some you know you have to just It's this constant Kate and all of a sudden now just like I used to make fun of him because I mean I'm not really but I mean I was like yes guys live in the life he's in the 08:19.077 --> 08:24.580 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, South Pacific, and he's got all these beautiful women and bikinis all over the place. 08:24.980 --> 08:29.703 [SPEAKER_02]: And now he's like, huddled up and saggy in this little bag of armpit pieces. 08:29.763 --> 08:33.465 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, it's just like, you can't even get a second of peace. 08:33.865 --> 08:35.045 [SPEAKER_02]: Seems like torture, frankly. 08:35.746 --> 08:35.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 08:36.226 --> 08:36.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 08:36.446 --> 08:39.268 [SPEAKER_01]: I can imagine just relentless day after day after day, yeah. 08:39.408 --> 08:42.109 [SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, no, I mean, I do complete opposite. 08:42.149 --> 08:44.210 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always, you know, close to coast and stuff. 08:44.230 --> 08:47.132 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I'm not doing any big crossings or anything like that. 08:47.685 --> 08:49.386 [SPEAKER_02]: What's your favorite part of the sailing? 08:49.426 --> 08:50.306 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the starting? 08:50.346 --> 08:51.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it the finishing? 08:51.266 --> 08:51.707 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it the... 08:51.927 --> 08:52.667 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the... 08:52.687 --> 08:53.567 [SPEAKER_01]: When you turn the... 08:54.267 --> 08:57.929 [SPEAKER_01]: When you turn the engine off, you've got your sails up. 08:57.949 --> 09:00.790 [SPEAKER_01]: You turn the engine off, and then you just feel this surge of power. 09:00.850 --> 09:08.713 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, shhh, silent, utterly silent, and you get pushed forward, and it's just like, oh, do you ski at a two ski? 09:09.033 --> 09:09.733 [SPEAKER_02]: I used to, yeah. 09:10.133 --> 09:12.854 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do you know when you take that first go downhill? 09:12.894 --> 09:14.575 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's quiet, and you just... 09:15.180 --> 09:15.941 [SPEAKER_01]: you feel like so. 09:16.001 --> 09:16.481 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like that. 09:16.621 --> 09:20.604 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like that every time and it's just like it doesn't get boring at all, you know, I love it. 09:20.844 --> 09:30.471 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have to like be conscious of the wind daily or of course, yeah, yeah, what the wind and and especially the tides where we are here. 09:30.851 --> 09:33.232 [SPEAKER_01]: We got the second biggest title range in the whole the world. 09:33.353 --> 09:36.735 [SPEAKER_01]: So we can get sort of five knots a tide against us. 09:37.055 --> 09:39.957 [SPEAKER_01]: So you know, the boat will only do maybe seven knots at most. 09:40.277 --> 09:40.898 [SPEAKER_01]: So you could be 09:42.326 --> 09:44.787 [SPEAKER_01]: really go backwards, you know, if you get the tide strong. 09:44.867 --> 09:46.548 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it can be quite dangerous. 09:46.608 --> 09:49.009 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, wind and tide are really important, especially around here. 09:49.109 --> 09:49.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:49.830 --> 09:54.552 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you're going to start to think about like you're going to circumnavigate the UK, right? 09:55.133 --> 09:55.853 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to. 09:56.093 --> 09:57.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Game, gameplay, I know exactly. 09:57.754 --> 09:58.274 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to. 09:58.454 --> 09:59.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd love to. 09:59.375 --> 10:04.197 [SPEAKER_01]: So the way it works with motion marinas in the UK, they're owned by two or three different companies. 10:04.237 --> 10:05.458 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all. 10:06.018 --> 10:09.680 [SPEAKER_01]: And once you've got your marina space, when I'm with, that means I can use any 10:11.821 --> 10:24.029 [SPEAKER_01]: So the way I do that is I'd say on maybe where we can get somewhere else leave the boat there and get the train back home spend the week with a family and then the next time I've got a bit of time again, I'd go back to the boat and work my way around to the next one. 10:24.369 --> 10:30.593 [SPEAKER_01]: So I wouldn't do a, you know, a non-stop circumnavigation of the UK, but I would love to do it in stages, you know, like that. 10:31.274 --> 10:35.336 [SPEAKER_02]: So is the price where you drop your marine off the same wherever wherever you are? 10:40.128 --> 10:42.269 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, will you pay your yearly fee for your space? 10:42.409 --> 10:44.751 [SPEAKER_01]: So wherever I go, it's paid for that, you know? 10:44.851 --> 10:45.771 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I don't know. 10:45.791 --> 10:46.512 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. 10:46.532 --> 10:50.274 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't really matter where you go as long as it's within the confines of that company. 10:50.574 --> 10:51.014 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 10:51.074 --> 10:51.254 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:51.274 --> 10:54.056 [SPEAKER_01]: As long as I go to one that's owned by the same company. 10:54.516 --> 10:55.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty cool. 10:55.437 --> 11:00.639 [SPEAKER_01]: So I could just leave it there then for, you know, however, you know, week or two if I need to be. 11:00.720 --> 11:03.581 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I just get trained back to the boat and do my next stage, you know? 11:03.601 --> 11:04.962 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the long-term plan. 11:04.982 --> 11:06.623 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to do that right around the UK. 11:07.243 --> 11:08.524 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and now be unbelievable. 11:09.065 --> 11:10.529 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. 11:11.070 --> 11:11.532 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, see. 11:11.913 --> 11:12.414 [SPEAKER_02]: Look at you. 11:12.555 --> 11:14.039 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe I'll be something else next week. 11:15.635 --> 11:17.517 [SPEAKER_01]: Nicky, Nicky, Nicky can't be my new thing. 11:17.537 --> 11:19.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky can't be my new thing. 11:20.019 --> 11:22.120 [SPEAKER_02]: Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky can't be my new thing. 11:22.641 --> 11:37.852 [SPEAKER_02]: Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nicky, Nick 11:43.096 --> 11:48.160 [SPEAKER_01]: So you just gotta be paired to, you know, have tools with you and just fix where it may be, and it will be what you're out and about. 11:48.260 --> 11:49.480 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the danger of it. 11:49.500 --> 11:50.701 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's, that's what I love. 11:51.302 --> 11:52.462 [SPEAKER_01]: I said this controlled danger. 11:52.482 --> 11:53.263 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I've got tools. 11:53.303 --> 11:54.964 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I've got backups for everything, so it's fine. 11:55.504 --> 11:59.427 [SPEAKER_01]: But something will go wrong because it's quite hard on the boat, on the boat. 11:59.467 --> 12:00.288 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, to, uh, 12:01.568 --> 12:02.248 [SPEAKER_01]: to maintain it. 12:02.329 --> 12:03.729 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, no, it's all good. 12:03.789 --> 12:06.870 [SPEAKER_01]: But something that nobody wants to know about the same. 12:06.910 --> 12:08.691 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to listen to the knife stuff. 12:08.711 --> 12:09.431 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get in the knife. 12:09.451 --> 12:09.691 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 12:10.371 --> 12:17.754 [SPEAKER_02]: Two things is I don't ever understood like what happens if something has to is happening while you're still sailing. 12:17.774 --> 12:18.354 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you could 12:19.394 --> 12:22.700 [SPEAKER_02]: pull off onto the shoulder and fix your repairs. 12:23.160 --> 12:31.414 [SPEAKER_02]: The boat's still moving in the flapping, you know, the wind is doing this thing and the how how do you have a chance to you always have to have your hand on the rudder, right? 12:32.586 --> 12:33.767 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm a teller. 12:33.807 --> 12:36.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I got like an auto pilot on that. 12:36.768 --> 12:38.069 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can also put into auto pilot. 12:38.789 --> 12:43.811 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and just pointed away to, you know, somewhere safe, put in auto pilot and go down and do what you need to do. 12:44.371 --> 12:46.832 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, basically you drop all the sales. 12:47.353 --> 12:56.657 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, if it's too windy to drop the sales, you can do something called heave two, which is where you, you turn a certain way into the wind and it stops, it basically acts like a pretty sales act like a break. 12:57.257 --> 12:58.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, so stop your move in. 12:58.397 --> 12:59.778 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's, there's some comfortable, 13:02.059 --> 13:04.680 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and obviously if it's calm, you could just drop an anchor anyway. 13:05.120 --> 13:14.483 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, at the very word, the very least drop your sales, put the, put the engine on and put the autopilot on, it'll just point you in one direction and you can go off and do what you need to do. 13:15.123 --> 13:18.604 [SPEAKER_02]: And now that you're going to get your knife equipment, your knife making equipment. 13:19.204 --> 13:22.905 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, will you design the sailing knife? 13:23.525 --> 13:24.006 [SPEAKER_02]: Marlins. 13:24.066 --> 13:24.266 [SPEAKER_01]: My god. 13:24.286 --> 13:25.066 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm, I bet you have. 13:30.029 --> 13:38.584 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I have made one for myself, but no, I won't be, but that leads us nicely into the first question I could see on the list, so when we get to that I'll tell you what my plans are. 13:38.764 --> 13:39.025 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 13:39.345 --> 13:39.566 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 13:40.267 --> 13:41.349 [SPEAKER_01]: First off, what's up with you? 13:41.369 --> 13:41.870 [SPEAKER_01]: What's been going on? 13:42.693 --> 13:47.094 [SPEAKER_02]: We just finished, I finished 60 stake knives for a custom order. 13:47.134 --> 13:54.096 [SPEAKER_02]: We had this club ordered 30 a few months ago, and then they liked them so much, they ordered another 60. 13:54.796 --> 14:03.478 [SPEAKER_02]: So I finished it in, I finished it, and they came out really good, and I came in two weeks before the deadline, which was great. 14:03.518 --> 14:03.878 [SPEAKER_01]: Nice. 14:04.238 --> 14:16.227 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like a real, you know, it reminded me of when I was doing sculpture and I was doing the same thing, you know, and I was doing like, I did 60 sculptures and they were all identical and it was, that was harder. 14:16.387 --> 14:29.377 [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about it this morning and I was thinking, you know, that was harder, making 60 identical sculptures because they're all carved and they're all painted and the painting was the hardest part because you're painting a hundred and twenty eyeballs and every stroke you wanted to keep at the same. 14:29.437 --> 14:30.038 [SPEAKER_02]: That was way harder. 14:31.699 --> 14:41.465 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but it was really, it was a neat experience in terms of, you know, motivating myself to be organized so I can get it done because I got a really focused on Christmas. 14:41.505 --> 14:42.966 [SPEAKER_02]: We've, I am grateful. 14:43.146 --> 14:44.127 [SPEAKER_02]: Business has been good. 14:44.267 --> 14:50.551 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been steady all year and I just need to get ahead with the kind of getting ready for Christmas and stuff like that. 14:50.571 --> 14:50.771 [SPEAKER_02]: So. 14:51.611 --> 15:09.460 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a big deal, and then this weekend, well, when this is coming out the weekend, we're recording a Friday, and then this Saturday, I'm going to my sister's memorial, but my sister passed away a year ago, and we're finally kind of having this kind of memorial service, and we're going to scatter their ashes. 15:10.160 --> 15:11.021 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, bring your home. 15:11.181 --> 15:15.384 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've been working on a speech for like two or three months. 15:15.864 --> 15:18.606 [SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of like tied it up and locked it in. 15:19.306 --> 15:25.951 [SPEAKER_02]: My daughter's right saying saying something and I've been helping her with her speech is really like in my wife is doing another speech. 15:26.271 --> 15:27.252 [SPEAKER_02]: We're all doing speeches. 15:27.272 --> 15:30.694 [SPEAKER_02]: We're all sitting around the goddamn living room practicing crying. 15:30.734 --> 15:31.355 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, 15:32.075 --> 15:32.995 [SPEAKER_02]: They're really, really good. 15:33.015 --> 15:49.940 [SPEAKER_02]: They're really, really good and they're really all three of us are, you know, we're helping each other and it's like having these moments and remember my sister who was nice, incredibly supportive of what I've been doing since I've been starting and it was really one of those things where she was in my family, it was kind of a tough family. 15:50.000 --> 15:55.502 [SPEAKER_02]: She was the one who's always kind of believed in me and it was one of those things where, you know, there was a lot of 15:56.582 --> 15:57.483 [SPEAKER_02]: She was very proud. 15:58.084 --> 15:59.025 [SPEAKER_02]: She was always very proud. 15:59.065 --> 16:03.471 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're, you know, we're gonna do that and then funny enough on top of that. 16:04.592 --> 16:12.061 [SPEAKER_02]: A friend of the family is involved with this very famous sculptor and they had a plaque. 16:12.262 --> 16:13.623 [SPEAKER_02]: The sculptor name is Betty Parsons. 16:13.643 --> 16:14.524 [SPEAKER_02]: She's just a very famous. 16:15.345 --> 16:25.393 [SPEAKER_02]: and there was a plaque that was not too far from where my sister is that was on a rock for years for a long time and then it was bolted to the rock. 16:25.694 --> 16:32.599 [SPEAKER_02]: This bronze plaque, there was pins, you know, threaded on the inside and then it was like drilled and it had fallen off. 16:32.619 --> 16:39.005 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're doing this huge documentary on her and then they said, do you think you could reinstall this plaque onto this rock? 16:39.725 --> 16:41.007 [SPEAKER_02]: And I say absolutely no problem. 16:41.027 --> 16:47.995 [SPEAKER_02]: So they send me the plaque and I've got it, but then there's just like, oh, by the way, there's going to be a documentary crew doing it while you install it. 16:48.216 --> 16:48.636 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow. 16:48.916 --> 16:57.787 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, this is the one thing I this is the worst nightmare for me, because no matter what you and because I have to read drill the holes and then they have to is on a beach. 16:58.328 --> 17:21.767 [SPEAKER_02]: there's no gonna be electrical so I had to get all I got I bought myself some new battery powered stuff and you got to I had to test these anchors and is this gonna work and is this gonna work and the the people wanted a certain way and I'm just like and then I hate installing in general if you always hated it but the thought of like a camera crew behind you watching me phone from around on this fucking rock about in this goddamn 17:26.290 --> 17:28.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, is born westward council. 17:28.994 --> 17:29.134 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 17:29.154 --> 17:30.296 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about? 17:30.776 --> 17:31.758 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Betty Murtle Parsons. 17:31.778 --> 17:32.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you just 11, that's the one. 17:32.699 --> 17:42.272 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 17:43.188 --> 17:44.749 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was a different one than that. 17:44.769 --> 17:45.169 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. 17:45.209 --> 17:45.389 [SPEAKER_02]: 82. 17:45.429 --> 17:46.410 [SPEAKER_02]: She's a famous sculptor. 17:48.511 --> 18:01.157 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I, you know, so but the funny thing is it was mounted this rock for so long that like the beach is like kind of coming up and then the, I guess the group who was involved with this said, do you think Jeff could, you know, install it higher. 18:02.037 --> 18:18.201 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like embedded, it was embedded in this rock and made this perfect lip and stuff like that and they're like, we're just afraid in 10 years that it's going to be, you know, the rocks are going to be up and you're not going to see the thing and I said, and I just wrote to her, I said wrote to them, I said, Why don't you just call me in 10 years and I'll bring shovel and I'll dig it. 18:18.241 --> 18:20.801 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to fucking, you know, it's going exactly where it's was. 18:20.821 --> 18:22.241 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thought changed the plan. 18:22.702 --> 18:28.883 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so not psyched to be involved with something with a documentary crew, but I was very grateful to be doing this. 18:29.483 --> 18:41.296 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, while I'm looking at this enormous amount of, like, installation tools and redundancies and all this stuff that, you know, whatever can go wrong, I can fix this thing because I'll crush that. 18:41.336 --> 18:42.277 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate installing. 18:42.577 --> 18:43.058 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate installing. 18:43.078 --> 18:49.805 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one great thing, but the knife-making game is because, you know, I don't have to go and pause, shove in a box and bring it to the main. 18:50.566 --> 18:55.553 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, these 60 stake knives you've just done, how are you giving them to them? 18:55.573 --> 18:58.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you just giving them like a bag of knives, or you've made something to like rack for them? 18:59.599 --> 19:05.988 [SPEAKER_02]: No, well, I had to, for me packing is like, I learned a long time ago with sculpture. 19:06.629 --> 19:29.607 [SPEAKER_02]: that when you pack sculpture it can't when you're shaking your box the nothing should move like it should feel like there's nothing inside should be like a dense box so when I used to send sculpture around I would wrap it up and put it together and then I would really compact in all the paper and stuff like that and then the test at the end is if if you shake it if it doesn't move you've done a good job. 19:30.227 --> 19:30.387 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:30.407 --> 19:34.050 [SPEAKER_02]: So for these 60, I packed them in sets of 10. 19:34.590 --> 19:40.114 [SPEAKER_02]: I put knife tips on each tip and then I wrapped every blade up in like construction paper with some tape. 19:40.614 --> 19:47.799 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I would wrap each 10 together tight like rolling them up until they've these little bricettes like these little packets of 10. 19:48.539 --> 19:59.102 [SPEAKER_02]: and then I wrapped all each packet, each six, there's six packets of 10, I wrapped those all up, and then I put incredible amount of padding, but I think I had the same thing turning into 12 pounds. 19:59.542 --> 20:09.285 [SPEAKER_02]: I took it to the, oh, and once again, so the shipping for something like this, this was a lot of work and was like, you know, expensive and stuff like that, I usually would use UPS. 20:10.085 --> 20:22.099 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't trust the postal service because their customer service in regards to if something's wrong, they do a bad job like you can't find if there's that they can't find it. 20:22.339 --> 20:30.768 [SPEAKER_02]: UPS is, you know, one person and then, you know, you can you get it, but you're paying a little bit more, but I feel like you get a little bit of a better customer experience. 20:31.509 --> 20:35.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Every time I go to this one UPS start, they are so fucking stupid. 20:35.272 --> 20:36.552 [SPEAKER_02]: I just can't even get over it. 20:37.013 --> 20:41.716 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they ask humbling questions, and half the questions don't even matter, and then they said to, well, what's in this box? 20:41.756 --> 20:42.917 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, it's steak knives. 20:43.697 --> 20:48.640 [SPEAKER_02]: She was, oh, and then she turns from Antarctica, and she goes, are we allowed to sell? 20:49.241 --> 20:51.062 [SPEAKER_03]: Are we allowed to send knives in the mail? 20:51.082 --> 20:52.863 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, yes, of course you are. 20:53.183 --> 20:57.366 [SPEAKER_02]: And the manager, their manager was like, yes, yes, it's fun. 20:57.406 --> 20:59.468 [SPEAKER_02]: And she says, well, I just, you know, I just don't know. 21:01.048 --> 21:06.131 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, I'm like, yeah, don't, don't, I, I don't have stress on me, right? 21:06.331 --> 21:17.416 [SPEAKER_02]: I just like, you know, make, I should, I should have said kitchen stuff, but it was like, yeah, every time I go to this one particular place, there's always somebody new and they're all freaked out and then they're just like, you know, they make more of it than it is. 21:18.557 --> 21:18.877 [SPEAKER_02]: So. 21:19.417 --> 21:20.197 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there we go. 21:20.738 --> 21:21.118 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 21:21.258 --> 21:22.258 [SPEAKER_01]: There we go. 21:22.478 --> 21:27.260 [SPEAKER_01]: But what I'm saying is when the customer gets them, they just have, they just now absorb you made any display. 21:27.380 --> 21:28.080 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, no. 21:28.140 --> 21:30.021 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I sent the first what set that way. 21:30.061 --> 21:31.921 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't make racks or anything like that. 21:31.942 --> 21:32.262 [SPEAKER_02]: We did. 21:33.142 --> 21:35.343 [SPEAKER_02]: We were very clear, because I've never really done this before. 21:35.363 --> 21:38.424 [SPEAKER_02]: I know you have more experience with restaurants and stuff like that. 21:39.204 --> 21:47.029 [SPEAKER_02]: I've never done it before, but we had to like make it very crystal clear, do you not put these fucking things in the dishwasher? 21:47.649 --> 21:50.051 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is like oak barrel. 21:50.091 --> 21:56.775 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I stabilize and everything like that, but over time it says this is going to be a they were very well aware, and no, well, I think we're in good shape. 21:57.745 --> 21:58.405 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cool. 21:59.165 --> 22:00.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Right there, should we do a show? 22:00.386 --> 22:00.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it. 22:00.806 --> 22:01.506 [SPEAKER_01]: How are we doing it? 22:01.826 --> 22:09.007 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we do everybody, if you do an any sort of heat treat out there and I know you are, if you're listening to this, you probably are 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22:41.831 --> 22:42.412 [SPEAKER_01]: I do blacks 22:47.033 --> 22:52.480 [SPEAKER_01]: I do bladesmith in and blacksmithin, as I figured that it would be increase my skill set and profitability. 22:53.261 --> 23:03.254 [SPEAKER_01]: I was talking to another bladesmith the other day, and he said that in reality I'm in peed in on my growth as a skill set as a bladesmith by doing this, comparing it to doctors who specialize. 23:04.088 --> 23:06.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you brought us from good points on this topic? 23:06.130 --> 23:12.897 [SPEAKER_01]: I figured I'd defer to the experts on this matter and ask what your opinion is on this. 23:13.198 --> 23:17.022 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, bladesmithing and blacksmithing. 23:17.042 --> 23:20.305 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Jeff, this is something that you're very used to doing. 23:20.485 --> 23:22.087 [SPEAKER_01]: And you still do the occasional blacksmithing. 23:22.908 --> 23:26.632 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, it's very similar to what you do in terms of your musical stuff. 23:27.463 --> 23:45.747 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, I think that this is a different, no, no, I'm saying in the sense of like, you know, you're very, you know, you, you have a broad sense, you have a broad understanding and you're like, you know, all sorts of different types of instruments and stuff and, you know, it's not like someone said to you, Craig, you shouldn't play the drums or you shouldn't learn how to play the piano. 23:45.767 --> 23:53.208 [SPEAKER_02]: I see what you mean, you speak in the same way, you're, you're, you're affecting your, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you 23:53.612 --> 23:58.735 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you learn to play guitar, you've probably become a better guitar as a pianist as well. 23:59.055 --> 24:07.199 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I see what you mean, I see what you mean, yeah, yeah, always want a better pianist. 24:07.520 --> 24:12.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so specialize in talking from a strictly commercial point of view, but making money. 24:13.863 --> 24:15.265 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm going to say something. 24:15.305 --> 24:18.970 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be, I'm going to say something that's going to be slightly controversial. 24:19.371 --> 24:22.876 [SPEAKER_02]: Only two people who would give advice like what Keith had gotten. 24:23.416 --> 24:27.322 [SPEAKER_02]: The fucking people who give you advice like that are the people who don't know how to do that stuff anyway. 24:28.751 --> 24:55.470 [SPEAKER_02]: I've not I'm telling you since day one and I started out I started out as a metal worker a fabricator 30 years ago and a sculptor and I was welding and I doing all this shit and then I started to do the blacksmithing You know a 20 years ago and then I got into the blade smithing If you learn how to blacksmith you will it all transfers over very easily and I remember the first time I ever forge a knife in a class I was just like 24:56.215 --> 24:59.117 [SPEAKER_02]: you understand how it handle works. 24:59.277 --> 25:01.358 [SPEAKER_02]: You understand how these things work. 25:01.498 --> 25:09.722 [SPEAKER_02]: And most of the time, you'll probably end up getting a different world view in regards to how to get to your final destination. 25:10.322 --> 25:18.647 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that a lot of times, most knife makers, they tell you what they think, what they think works for them. 25:19.387 --> 25:21.528 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's always usually bad, 25:24.810 --> 25:28.832 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the great blacksmith's bladesmiths of all time is Lin Ray, master bladesmith. 25:29.332 --> 25:36.936 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a master bladesmith and then he went to when he was running the, I think an Arkansas Museum for the Bowie Museum or something like that. 25:36.976 --> 25:39.317 [SPEAKER_02]: He ended up going to Peter, Peter, 25:41.098 --> 25:44.379 [SPEAKER_02]: Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater. 25:44.500 --> 25:55.105 [SPEAKER_02]: No, he said that there's a great blacks where I forgot his day, Peter Ross, Peter Ross, and he learned how to forge traditional blacksmithing and it changed the way he saw this knife making. 25:55.566 --> 25:59.648 [SPEAKER_02]: So my opinion is, is the more you learn in the vein of what you're trying to do the better. 26:00.008 --> 26:09.073 [SPEAKER_02]: That whole specializing thing, it's like, I mean, you can do that, but I think that I would rather have a well-rounded breath of information. 26:09.868 --> 26:10.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 26:10.508 --> 26:13.390 [SPEAKER_01]: And I also think you've got to do what you enjoy as well. 26:13.410 --> 26:16.932 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're enjoying doing a bit of both, they're going to help each other out anyway. 26:16.952 --> 26:18.493 [SPEAKER_01]: The two disciplines will help each other out. 26:19.113 --> 26:24.256 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you wanted to be on a factory line to the same thing every day, you'd go and work on a factory on. 26:24.277 --> 26:24.637 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't. 26:24.997 --> 26:27.398 [SPEAKER_01]: You work for yourself and you, you know, you'd be creative. 26:27.458 --> 26:29.720 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, everybody's different. 26:29.740 --> 26:31.661 [SPEAKER_01]: So you do what you think you need to do, surely. 26:32.001 --> 26:32.381 [SPEAKER_01]: Surely. 26:32.721 --> 26:33.322 [SPEAKER_02]: Funny enough. 26:33.802 --> 26:50.207 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually do this one trick I do where I take a block of wood and if I have my grinder with no platinum, I'll go and take this block of wood and push the belt into the spine of the knife just to kind of focus the energy of exactly where I want to go on the belt. 26:50.687 --> 26:53.289 [SPEAKER_00]: I have so many knife makers saying, you know, that's what's to do with that way. 26:53.309 --> 26:54.390 [SPEAKER_00]: And who does that just like that? 26:54.990 --> 26:59.313 [SPEAKER_02]: Like dude, this is what we, I did for fucking three years at a metal finishing shop. 26:59.393 --> 27:01.935 [SPEAKER_01]: I said there's no way from behind behind the belt. 27:01.955 --> 27:04.337 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pushing the belt forward. 27:04.437 --> 27:06.458 [SPEAKER_02]: You're pushing the belt from the back. 27:06.518 --> 27:10.261 [SPEAKER_02]: You're almost like you're making like this portable platinum almost. 27:10.821 --> 27:15.785 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's become like completely 1,000% indispensable. 27:15.845 --> 27:17.025 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not something I learned. 27:17.185 --> 27:18.186 [SPEAKER_02]: And like a knife maker's being like, 27:19.447 --> 27:19.947 [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck you. 27:20.448 --> 27:21.889 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you what I can't and can't do. 27:22.069 --> 27:23.129 [SPEAKER_02]: Just because you don't do it. 27:23.570 --> 27:26.292 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the same knife makers to say to you, can't make money making knives. 27:26.612 --> 27:27.452 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a tough thing. 27:27.572 --> 27:28.673 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, talk to her. 27:28.693 --> 27:31.055 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, go ahead and don't, to believe them. 27:31.914 --> 27:33.356 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't believe in that shit. 27:33.376 --> 27:48.732 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that especially as a person, like you just said, if you want to like learn and get a more education and experience, you've got to try new things and blacksmithing and bladesmithing, most platesmiths are not good at handforging. 27:48.833 --> 27:49.854 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry to tell you this. 27:49.894 --> 27:50.614 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a fact. 27:51.175 --> 28:05.828 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you got to learn how to really learn how to forge, and I think that if you, you see certain people forging, especially blacksmiths is not that on the best, but I mean you get to the point where you have a little bit more repetition in regards to what you're doing and you're going to get better experience. 28:07.706 --> 28:08.086 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:08.126 --> 28:08.386 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 28:08.606 --> 28:08.846 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool. 28:09.786 --> 28:11.107 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll read the next question again. 28:12.007 --> 28:15.308 [SPEAKER_01]: But first off, Jeff, tell me all about the grind that you use. 28:15.588 --> 28:17.988 [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of which, he's the Broadway guy or ex grinder. 28:18.048 --> 28:19.429 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a two by 72 grinder. 28:19.449 --> 28:20.609 [SPEAKER_02]: The grinders awesome. 28:20.889 --> 28:28.291 [SPEAKER_02]: And when you go to Broadway guy or ex.com, you can see all the things that they offer, which includes different types of packages. 28:28.751 --> 28:31.532 [SPEAKER_02]: They have different attachments. 28:32.372 --> 28:33.012 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're all great. 28:33.132 --> 28:33.872 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can go to 28:37.973 --> 28:41.496 [SPEAKER_02]: So, definitely support a great small business and a great grinder. 28:43.318 --> 28:44.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of broad back. 28:45.420 --> 28:46.901 [SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Young is sent in a question. 28:47.422 --> 28:49.163 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey y'all, here's my elevator pitch. 28:49.284 --> 28:52.907 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope the broad back guys are listening, and hope this hasn't been said already. 28:53.758 --> 28:55.379 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, what about a gas pedal? 28:55.819 --> 29:00.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Or more literally a take-torch pedal as a way to speed up or slow down your grinder on the fly. 29:01.621 --> 29:04.743 [SPEAKER_01]: Place the bevel on the platton, slow, and then start ripping. 29:05.423 --> 29:08.064 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you need to be able to sit to make this work comfortably. 29:09.105 --> 29:11.306 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, if anybody does this, I expect a freebie. 29:12.066 --> 29:14.867 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can also get all the fucking hospital bills. 29:15.707 --> 29:20.930 [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, like the VFD is a foot pedal VFD, almost. 29:21.922 --> 29:23.343 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen them. 29:23.403 --> 29:29.765 [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen more sort of the binary on-off for switches, you know, and you can have a VFT and say, you speed on that. 29:30.285 --> 29:32.806 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think you want to be sort of rev in. 29:32.926 --> 29:49.053 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I mean, saying that, I've got a pottery wheel, which has one, and it's really hard to get your speed right, even if you're sitting, it's really, really hard to get those RPMs steady and level that you come to go with. 29:49.713 --> 29:54.820 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I do like the idea of just a binary switch, you know, you got your speeds and you can just switch on and off quickly. 29:55.382 --> 29:56.022 [SPEAKER_01]: That's quite nice. 29:56.202 --> 29:56.682 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude. 29:56.803 --> 30:00.524 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, we had a switch on a drill press. 30:01.324 --> 30:07.647 [SPEAKER_02]: And we had a, we had an accident in the shop where this is the number of years ago, we had an accident the shop where it turned into a hospital visit. 30:07.787 --> 30:16.190 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, oh, I don't like those fucking, I think that the switches, I think you get too comfortable just them being on the ground. 30:16.870 --> 30:21.192 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can step on them, obviously, and the shit just happens. 30:22.212 --> 30:33.059 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I used to have the foot pedal on the saw and then I had a foot pedal on the drill press and after this one accident, I'm just like, yeah, enjoy your foot pedals. 30:33.339 --> 30:35.000 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not I'm not fucking with him anymore. 30:35.020 --> 30:42.565 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's one more it's one more piece of the puzzle in regards to just kind of it's almost like two convenient. 30:43.185 --> 30:48.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Like some things, like here, perfect example of something that needs a pedal is of power hammer, power hammer needs a pedal. 30:49.410 --> 30:58.538 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you really, if you want to be able to, I mean, if you're holding your material and obviously you can't turn it on and it just goes, you know, you need a little bit of control. 30:58.938 --> 31:00.240 [SPEAKER_02]: That, that I understand. 31:00.860 --> 31:25.769 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, but I don't know on a grind or I can't see I in my mind all of a sudden I'm thinking I'm going to use this because I use the Scotch bright wheel Scotch bright belts for all the these these steak knives I can imagine one fucking catching with that's you know accidentally sneezing sneezing and then all of a sudden like you know I'm getting into a fucking foot pedal so yeah go on good luck with that. 31:26.790 --> 31:30.815 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you can get insurance companies ever healthier, you know. 31:31.015 --> 31:33.138 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ty Young, we should call you Ty Young, maybe. 31:33.519 --> 31:35.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no! 31:36.182 --> 31:37.163 [SPEAKER_01]: Good one, good one. 31:38.826 --> 31:39.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, next question. 31:39.847 --> 31:40.468 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take the next one. 31:40.820 --> 31:46.385 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this one comes from our man's app, Zach Mapes, this is an audio question. 31:46.805 --> 31:59.296 [SPEAKER_02]: You can leave us audio questions at Night Talk podcast and Instagram, just like our man has, we have a few of them, and this one comes from our man Zach Mapes, let me turn it up the volume, and here we go. 32:00.440 --> 32:00.960 [SPEAKER_03]: Hi guys. 32:01.220 --> 32:22.824 [SPEAKER_03]: Over the last month or so I've been moving house and shop and have just moved everything out of the old garage into the new shop and found that there was six or seven cracks spiring off from the ring, the envelope at the garage and so moving into the shop I was wondering if there's anything I can do to avoid having those cracks in damaging the foundation. 32:33.147 --> 32:35.328 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's worried about this the floor. 32:36.229 --> 32:37.690 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, it's a new shop. 32:39.132 --> 32:40.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have a clue. 32:40.452 --> 32:43.253 [SPEAKER_01]: I really wouldn't want to give advice to you because I wouldn't know. 32:43.933 --> 32:47.914 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that, you know, I don't really know either. 32:48.054 --> 32:51.976 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously it's after the fact, you know, if you see the cracks, it's after the fact. 32:52.616 --> 32:57.777 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of times I think that regular garage floors aren't meant to have that much. 32:57.817 --> 33:04.779 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not, I would imagine they're not expected to have the impact that are, you know, that like industrial shops have. 33:08.640 --> 33:17.607 [SPEAKER_02]: While I don't have an answer for you, you could probably, I mean, I wouldn't even bother putting like a piece of rubber under your, under your animal. 33:17.767 --> 33:19.088 [SPEAKER_02]: I think to some people do that shit. 33:19.608 --> 33:20.048 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what? 33:20.088 --> 33:24.512 [SPEAKER_02]: I tell you what probably does help disperse is I know that. 33:25.692 --> 33:35.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, at the center for metal arts, we used to make a tree used to make animal stands with three legs, sometimes you'll see him with three out or you know legs and they'll bolt him into the ground. 33:35.519 --> 33:41.963 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I would think that maybe if you bolt him into the ground, you may get a little, you mold it more. 33:42.403 --> 33:57.854 [SPEAKER_02]: with three legs you might be able to disperse the energy a lot, especially with a hand hammer, but at the same time I don't think most floors are designed for the heavy duty, you know, force of forging. 33:59.361 --> 34:00.483 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's my opinion. 34:01.064 --> 34:02.005 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it makes sense. 34:02.025 --> 34:10.118 [SPEAKER_02]: We just got an emergency message from, uh, from, uh, Brigham, Kindal, we haven't heard from Bingo in a while. 34:10.238 --> 34:10.919 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we haven't. 34:11.019 --> 34:11.520 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no. 34:12.021 --> 34:13.783 [SPEAKER_02]: This is emergency message. 34:14.945 --> 34:16.566 [SPEAKER_01]: You see he means stuck somewhere then. 34:16.586 --> 34:19.589 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been locked in a room for three months and he's just got a message. 34:19.629 --> 34:20.670 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a safe job. 34:21.050 --> 34:21.971 [SPEAKER_02]: He's his job. 34:22.251 --> 34:24.072 [SPEAKER_02]: He's at his office cubicle trap. 34:24.092 --> 34:25.193 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's in the cubicle. 34:26.835 --> 34:29.216 [SPEAKER_02]: So Brigham Kendell has given us a fast one. 34:29.497 --> 34:33.040 [SPEAKER_02]: He says he did steering wheels have at least some sort of tangible benefit. 34:33.100 --> 34:39.705 [SPEAKER_02]: I referred to Last week I was on a podcast and I said that compound grinds are the heated steering wheel of 34:40.465 --> 34:42.225 [SPEAKER_02]: of knife making. 34:42.266 --> 34:45.486 [SPEAKER_02]: He says he did steering wheels at least have some sort of tangible benefit. 34:45.986 --> 34:54.788 [SPEAKER_02]: But what doesn't is an anime graphic on someone's 2002 Honda Civic that's lawnmower engine needs to be tuned. 34:54.828 --> 35:02.950 [SPEAKER_02]: If you've seen these little cars, I know they're around here that they have these little Honda Civics and they usually change the wheels so they're very close to ground and then they put this like. 35:03.810 --> 35:20.322 [SPEAKER_02]: it's it's not it's like a it's not a diffuser on their muffler it's like a fucking let's fuck everybody's a day up like this I know I know what you mean yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and as much as I love making them segmented scales are the anime graphic of knife making 35:21.161 --> 35:24.986 [SPEAKER_02]: It looks so good, but really have no purpose other than aesthetic. 35:25.066 --> 35:29.270 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe unless you're a different, unless they're a different texture. 35:29.831 --> 35:32.334 [SPEAKER_02]: So, bring him, Stephen, he shots. 35:32.374 --> 35:35.698 [SPEAKER_02]: He says the segment and handle skills or the anime graphics in life making. 35:36.579 --> 35:37.059 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, 35:38.080 --> 35:39.980 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I wasn't much of an emergency. 35:40.941 --> 35:41.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Not an emergency. 35:41.821 --> 35:43.681 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a design decision. 35:44.301 --> 35:49.703 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think there's nothing wrong with doing things just because it's aesthetically pleasing too. 35:49.763 --> 35:55.424 [SPEAKER_01]: As long as he doesn't take away from the purpose, you know, I think there's an aroma that's all. 35:55.964 --> 35:56.284 [SPEAKER_01]: At all. 35:57.104 --> 35:58.585 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, okay. 35:59.045 --> 36:00.165 [SPEAKER_01]: We also have Lucia Homb. 36:01.475 --> 36:04.017 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's do one more from Tom's Knives then first. 36:04.497 --> 36:07.879 [SPEAKER_01]: Just curious on your thoughts on my approach to pricing as a beginner. 36:08.860 --> 36:10.541 [SPEAKER_01]: Knives making is purely a hobby for me. 36:10.661 --> 36:14.764 [SPEAKER_01]: I want some creative outside of work and don't want the pressure of deadlines I haven't to make it a career. 36:15.605 --> 36:18.707 [SPEAKER_01]: I've sold or given away a few Knives, made these to family and close friends. 36:19.127 --> 36:24.451 [SPEAKER_01]: At the moment, I basically only charge enough to cover the materials, excluding things like sandpaper and other consumables. 36:24.751 --> 36:27.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm still learning, I don't feel comfortable charging much more yet. 36:28.835 --> 36:36.860 [SPEAKER_01]: As my work improves and I'm generally proud of the finished product, I plan to increase my prices with the gold eventually having the hobby pay for itself and fun new tools. 36:36.880 --> 36:44.405 [SPEAKER_01]: If you think starting out this cheap could cause problems later when I increase my prices, what's it reasonable what I'm still learning. 36:45.505 --> 36:46.726 [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of their impact. 36:47.067 --> 36:47.747 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot from part. 36:47.767 --> 36:54.634 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had that question in various forms many, many times over the years of me and people started out how to sort their pricing and so on. 36:55.155 --> 37:00.120 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's a really good point about, you know, you only want to sort of cover costs maybe at the moment. 37:00.400 --> 37:05.785 [SPEAKER_01]: But when it that does then come to having to charge more, is that going to piss people off? 37:05.865 --> 37:06.706 [SPEAKER_01]: And the 37:08.668 --> 37:11.489 [SPEAKER_01]: You won't be those aren't the people that you're going to be selling to. 37:11.970 --> 37:17.752 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the people who you're giving out your family and friends that you'll soon run out of family and friends anyway. 37:17.872 --> 37:20.773 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, you need to price things that way. 37:21.094 --> 37:22.274 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can make a bit of money. 37:23.254 --> 37:28.857 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't worry so much about family and friends, because that's a very limited pool of possible revenue, I think. 37:30.995 --> 37:32.657 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that there's a few things. 37:33.258 --> 37:37.043 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that at this level, you should be giving them away to a certain degree. 37:37.063 --> 37:42.269 [SPEAKER_02]: When I say give them away, I'm like, you should be, you know, this is your pain, your pain. 37:42.490 --> 37:45.133 [SPEAKER_02]: You're paying for experience, right? 37:45.173 --> 37:47.376 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're paying to learn how to become better at this. 37:47.816 --> 37:49.558 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're actually, you're getting paid. 37:50.059 --> 37:54.600 [SPEAKER_02]: You're getting paid, I would think of it more like an education that's being paid for. 37:55.180 --> 37:57.821 [SPEAKER_02]: Every time you make a knife, you get faster, you learn better. 37:58.141 --> 38:01.742 [SPEAKER_02]: Funny enough, I was talking to somebody about the reals that I've been doing. 38:01.762 --> 38:04.803 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're almost like, some of them are almost exactly the same. 38:05.163 --> 38:09.784 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, well, I have a system down of how I make a knife, so I don't even have to think about it. 38:09.824 --> 38:13.405 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even a question of how the order of operations are how I'm approaching it. 38:13.945 --> 38:20.429 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you have an opportunity to have it to learn and get experience and get paid for it. 38:20.949 --> 38:23.471 [SPEAKER_02]: I say in the beginning just like get rid of them, you know. 38:24.311 --> 38:29.194 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing I'll say now, you're better off learning the hard way and I think a lot of knife makers. 38:29.854 --> 38:33.816 [SPEAKER_02]: There's this weird thing about everyone kind of freaking out about deadlines. 38:34.977 --> 38:40.320 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to progress as a business, you've got to be a little bit less 38:42.853 --> 38:47.175 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna say this as politely as I can, a diva about deadlines. 38:48.216 --> 38:55.139 [SPEAKER_02]: Dudes, guys, if you really want to take this seriously, there's a lot of people who want to take this seriously, and there's a lot of people who want to play. 38:55.559 --> 38:57.200 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying this for time. 38:57.520 --> 39:01.062 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying this in general, because you hear this a lot, like, I don't want to be put under pressure. 39:01.082 --> 39:02.103 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be put under pressure. 39:03.175 --> 39:06.877 [SPEAKER_02]: throw the guys who do it, put themselves under pressure. 39:07.138 --> 39:12.621 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not the end of the world to have pressure in a deadline, like, perfect example. 39:12.881 --> 39:17.864 [SPEAKER_02]: I do these 69s and then Patrick's been out on family leave. 39:18.305 --> 39:20.626 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got great news, but it's not my place to say. 39:21.166 --> 39:24.949 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's been out for a few weeks and I've had to do these by myself, no problem. 39:25.189 --> 39:26.670 [SPEAKER_02]: No problem, you've got to do whatever it takes. 39:27.110 --> 39:29.432 [SPEAKER_02]: And I came in two weeks under the deadline. 39:30.612 --> 39:37.013 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's really important to put yourself in a position of pressure because that's almost more important than knife-making. 39:37.313 --> 39:52.537 [SPEAKER_02]: You guys figure out how to make knives and people want your knives and, you know, the pricing is one thing of like, you know, you can make that decision over time in regards to, well, you know, the price of this has gone up, I gotta go, or I think I deserve a little bit more money or any other raise or whatever, that's easy shit. 39:52.697 --> 39:57.117 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the question of like, how can I be more efficient so I can run more money through this shop? 40:00.138 --> 40:03.781 [SPEAKER_02]: more of a problem than wondering about the price. 40:03.841 --> 40:12.206 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, you know, what's the long-term goal and the long-term goal should be your busy all the time? 40:12.787 --> 40:13.587 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want. 40:14.328 --> 40:18.750 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you had a deadline, you've got to get yourself in a position of not being worried. 40:18.871 --> 40:22.813 [SPEAKER_02]: It shouldn't be a stressful situation even talk about a deadline. 40:22.833 --> 40:26.936 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if someone, like, a house in a semi-messaging, you think you could have a knife out by you know, the weekend like in a problem. 40:27.638 --> 40:30.040 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then on my mind, I'm like, all right, it's a heat treat. 40:30.060 --> 40:37.207 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to make sure it's heat treated now or I got to make sure all the stuff like the for the 60 steak knives, I knew we knew that it was going to happen. 40:37.447 --> 40:41.431 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't pay the they didn't pay and I was just like, I know it's going to happen. 40:42.372 --> 40:45.414 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to make sure I can do some things that aren't going to affect. 40:46.075 --> 40:53.899 [SPEAKER_02]: the job in terms of my deadline, so I was stabilizing all the wood before, you know, you know, a month beforehand, it needed to be stabilized anyway. 40:54.379 --> 40:55.640 [SPEAKER_02]: I heat treated all the knives. 40:55.720 --> 40:58.541 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew that I'd use them even if the job fell through. 40:59.021 --> 41:03.824 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was doing things in order to make sure to give me enough time and I wasn't waiting on anything. 41:04.384 --> 41:07.925 [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel as though that's almost something that is not talked about. 41:08.346 --> 41:11.047 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's almost taboo in the knife-making custom 41:13.642 --> 41:26.493 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, how do you become more comfortable in an uncomfortable position and focusing on the deadlines is something that over is over looked and pricing is affected too much or talked about too much. 41:27.754 --> 41:28.615 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe yeah. 41:28.795 --> 41:29.015 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 41:29.696 --> 41:30.517 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree. 41:30.637 --> 41:30.977 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. 41:31.017 --> 41:35.000 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, that's this is the question we've had reworded multiple times. 41:36.221 --> 41:45.086 [SPEAKER_02]: But then they're guys, like, then they're guys, sorry for up to their guys like Josh Smith who they don't do they do drops and what they sell what they have when they're done they that's it. 41:45.246 --> 41:47.908 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just the way it is they don't do they don't do pre-orders. 41:48.688 --> 41:50.109 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think that you've got it. 41:50.830 --> 41:52.871 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got it in your stripes to be able to do that, I think. 41:52.951 --> 41:53.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course. 41:54.352 --> 42:02.297 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're new to the game, if you're doing that and you just do a drop, you've got to create a desire for those things first, you know. 42:05.275 --> 42:08.036 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're worried about, you know, it wants to cover costs and things like that. 42:08.256 --> 42:09.176 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got you covered. 42:09.576 --> 42:10.396 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got you covered. 42:10.836 --> 42:13.937 [SPEAKER_01]: You had to text as far as supply.com. 42:14.437 --> 42:23.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Bit of people ask it, but everything you need, include in the industrial right away, because you're going to be doing a lot of hand sanding, an industrial right away, it's the stuff you want to be using, if you hand sanding, believe me. 42:24.039 --> 42:25.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Head to text as far as supply.com. 42:26.319 --> 42:31.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Get 10% off the entire order with knife talk 10 at checkout. 42:31.480 --> 42:32.961 [SPEAKER_01]: So head on over to text as far as supply. 42:35.848 --> 42:37.129 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, should we do some feedback then? 42:37.649 --> 42:38.550 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, of course. 42:38.730 --> 42:39.731 [SPEAKER_02]: We could do some feedback. 42:40.351 --> 42:44.094 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, tugby's back. 42:44.654 --> 42:56.142 [SPEAKER_02]: So guys, you want to listen to me if you want to, if you want to send us some feedback or questions or dilemmas, we have so many great messages in regards to selling out, giving us scenarios of selling out. 42:56.922 --> 42:58.524 [SPEAKER_02]: None of us, none of us have gotten stumped. 42:58.644 --> 43:00.846 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everyone, we're all ready to bucket sell out. 43:01.207 --> 43:05.592 [SPEAKER_02]: You can go to Knife Talk Podcast Instagram and send us a DM like our man, Jade and Ward. 43:06.152 --> 43:08.294 [SPEAKER_02]: Jade and Ward says, good day, KTP. 43:08.314 --> 43:10.517 [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to chime in on the tugby talk. 43:11.518 --> 43:16.744 [SPEAKER_02]: As the self-proclaimed Australian tugby champion, I might know a thing or two about it. 43:17.847 --> 43:29.175 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been playing Tugby since about the right since the right page of 13 and I've never lost a Tugby match, even though some trouble with situations I've always, I've always been first across the line. 43:29.796 --> 43:34.239 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have any Tugby questions, let me know and I'll do my best. 43:34.819 --> 43:35.620 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Jim. 43:35.760 --> 43:37.081 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, listen, good. 43:37.141 --> 43:39.062 [SPEAKER_02]: Our Australians to play Tugby too. 43:39.302 --> 43:40.523 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I love it. 43:40.603 --> 43:41.804 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love it. 43:41.844 --> 43:42.525 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. 43:43.025 --> 43:43.605 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 43:43.646 --> 43:44.606 [SPEAKER_02]: They do love Tugby. 43:44.706 --> 43:45.367 [SPEAKER_02]: I love Tugby. 43:45.387 --> 43:46.648 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I even thought about it. 43:47.328 --> 43:56.858 [SPEAKER_02]: So a couple episodes ago we were talking about tugby ladies and gentlemen, it was just a spelling error, but at the same time we created a new game, why don't I really a new game, it's just a labeled a game. 43:56.878 --> 43:59.181 [SPEAKER_01]: And he never really did it for years. 44:00.101 --> 44:02.184 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for the whole of this game's the world. 44:02.564 --> 44:08.787 [SPEAKER_02]: And I like to think of is if we were to get back into merch, we'd sell so many fucking tug b-shirts to make it. 44:08.807 --> 44:13.289 [SPEAKER_02]: And then my mind, I thought of it like a rugby shirt. 44:13.949 --> 44:21.153 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, you know, those long rugby shirts, the long sleeves of the collar and the stripes, and just says to me on it, I can't stop, we see. 44:21.193 --> 44:24.134 [SPEAKER_02]: And they've talked tug b-shirts. 44:24.494 --> 44:26.855 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like people would buy the knife-talk tug b-shirts. 44:27.316 --> 44:28.756 [SPEAKER_01]: With Rhino Wett, is it a big sponsor? 44:28.816 --> 44:29.356 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, front. 44:29.557 --> 44:30.377 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, we get them off. 44:34.650 --> 44:38.213 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet everybody, I bet everybody, I bet all our sponsors will get on board some tugby shirts. 44:38.794 --> 44:40.775 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't be in and whatever. 44:42.177 --> 44:42.597 [SPEAKER_01]: Brilliant. 44:43.137 --> 44:43.458 [SPEAKER_01]: Brilliant. 44:44.585 --> 44:49.587 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Paul Jansson, GSL, this is the reason why GSL stands for gold star listener. 44:50.247 --> 44:54.289 [SPEAKER_02]: He says, after hearing Jeff's British accent, I have a sellout scenario. 44:54.849 --> 44:58.470 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a standing deal to do a speaking tour across the world. 44:58.670 --> 45:05.293 [SPEAKER_02]: Any topic you choose, but whatever country you're in, you have to do an obviously fake accent of that country. 45:06.073 --> 45:15.008 [SPEAKER_02]: $10,000 per event, as many events as you want to do, how rich will Craig be at the end of this tour? 45:16.583 --> 45:18.444 [SPEAKER_01]: I just how racist would I sound. 45:18.964 --> 45:19.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. 45:19.844 --> 45:23.926 [SPEAKER_02]: It would literally be like it would be like a Ricky's your base from David. 45:23.946 --> 45:25.166 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would be David. 45:25.246 --> 45:25.846 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man. 45:27.507 --> 45:28.687 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh It would be terrible. 45:29.047 --> 45:30.088 [SPEAKER_01]: It would be so cringy. 45:30.428 --> 45:37.110 [SPEAKER_02]: Yours funny is as years ago You remember you remember when Bill Clinton had that whole Monica Lewinsky thing. 45:37.370 --> 45:38.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're not too young for that, right? 45:38.911 --> 45:39.351 [SPEAKER_02]: You remember that 45:39.571 --> 45:49.625 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I just remember she wrote a book years later, so she was the intern for all you young guys, she was the intern of the president and then she, you know, you know, playing old tugby with them. 45:50.566 --> 45:53.229 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the whole office and you got peach blah, blah, blah. 45:53.990 --> 45:56.494 [SPEAKER_02]: She wrote a book and I just remember saying to my wife. 45:58.095 --> 45:59.636 [SPEAKER_02]: I got the advances book. 46:00.337 --> 46:04.279 [SPEAKER_02]: I would just take this money and I would just evaporate. 46:04.579 --> 46:05.520 [SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't see me again. 46:06.040 --> 46:10.903 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought to myself of the whole idea, like, why would anyone want to face the public scrutiny? 46:11.144 --> 46:13.265 [SPEAKER_02]: And nowadays, with social media. 46:13.725 --> 46:16.087 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, you take some fucking thing like this. 46:16.107 --> 46:23.852 [SPEAKER_02]: And I even thought about like, you know, we were talking about selling out and the idea of like, how far would you go for your money and something like that? 46:23.992 --> 46:25.213 [SPEAKER_02]: And the joke is is like, 46:25.853 --> 46:30.958 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could do something ridiculous, but you have to also in your mind, you have to know, I got to evaporate for a while. 46:31.718 --> 46:33.620 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can't see me for a long time. 46:33.660 --> 46:34.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 46:35.262 --> 46:36.623 [SPEAKER_02]: Because all these people come back. 46:37.624 --> 46:40.306 [SPEAKER_01]: I said it would be fucking ugly or Clinton, but it's not. 46:42.502 --> 46:43.383 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't do that. 46:43.403 --> 46:45.604 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do that. 46:46.044 --> 46:58.331 [SPEAKER_02]: But what is amazing now is there's almost like this, people who go through controversy, they evaporate only to come back and everything's kind of back to normal. 46:58.751 --> 47:05.055 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'd say in the sort of celebrity world, social media will back kind of thing. 47:06.262 --> 47:10.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Being infamous, it doesn't matter what it's for, I don't think anymore. 47:11.070 --> 47:18.983 [SPEAKER_01]: People are interested, you know, you could have done some of the worship ever, but if you're recognizable in your face like that, it seems to attract people. 47:19.827 --> 47:20.848 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we had done that. 47:21.008 --> 47:26.251 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the way to do it is the way Charlie she ended it because he really went off the deep end. 47:26.691 --> 47:28.232 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he went crazy. 47:28.673 --> 47:46.624 [SPEAKER_02]: He went fucking bananas and like the tiger blood and then they were interviewing him and they said, they're drugs in the south and he goes, I'm never forget to go, if they're drugs in the south, you better bring him to me now, you don't say fucking madness and porn stars all of the plays and he's just like just over the top crazy. 47:46.744 --> 47:46.964 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 47:49.452 --> 48:03.006 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you hear about Tiger, but you didn't even hear his name and now he's back and he's been sober and he did a documentary and now he's kind of talking about his days and I feel as though people are totally into like a comeback story. 48:03.086 --> 48:10.834 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you were to take the money to do, if we were to take a money to do crazy accents all the time. 48:11.926 --> 48:13.847 [SPEAKER_02]: That might be harder to get past. 48:14.467 --> 48:20.549 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that if we were just on, we did event tours and then just we're on drugs and stuff like that. 48:21.269 --> 48:22.609 [SPEAKER_02]: And people knew we were crazy. 48:23.150 --> 48:24.590 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we could come back from that. 48:24.970 --> 48:29.672 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the crazy, I don't think like especially like if we did Asian accents or something like that. 48:30.212 --> 48:30.932 [SPEAKER_02]: Or something like that. 48:30.992 --> 48:32.833 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we could ever come back from that. 48:33.353 --> 48:36.774 [SPEAKER_02]: But if we were on drugs and we're crazy, we could come back from that. 48:36.794 --> 48:37.494 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's fine. 48:37.974 --> 48:38.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely fine. 48:38.835 --> 48:39.275 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 48:40.136 --> 48:40.357 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 48:40.377 --> 48:41.382 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a lot right? 48:41.442 --> 48:43.351 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the drugs you can come back from. 48:44.133 --> 48:53.795 [SPEAKER_02]: Alcohol bad agent, but like Asian accents, you're gone dude, you got to prove that you were on like you were like in a culture something like that. 48:53.875 --> 48:54.755 [SPEAKER_02]: You were brainwashed. 48:54.995 --> 48:56.275 [SPEAKER_02]: You're under somebody's control. 48:57.035 --> 48:58.275 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no coming back from that. 48:58.295 --> 49:01.316 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to explain yourself I know I know I shouldn't have taken the money. 49:01.336 --> 49:02.736 [SPEAKER_02]: I shouldn't have done the accent. 49:02.796 --> 49:06.137 [SPEAKER_02]: I know then there are some accents so we could do we wouldn't get in trouble. 49:06.157 --> 49:12.358 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I went over to the UK and I started doing a different type of UK accent, I don't think I would be canceled for that. 49:12.878 --> 49:20.263 [SPEAKER_02]: But I can't do anything so, I don't know if like, it may be if I were down to South Africa, maybe I could do the South African X, maybe? 49:20.663 --> 49:22.545 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me, I could call it, give it a go, give it a go. 49:22.725 --> 49:26.447 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm good dude, I'm good, I can't do any accents. 49:26.848 --> 49:37.035 [SPEAKER_02]: The only accent I can do is I know that the easiest way to do an Australian accent is take the A sound of a word, A, the A sound, 49:40.475 --> 49:43.038 [SPEAKER_02]: So you changed the A sound to an I sound. 49:43.058 --> 49:51.548 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you had the word snake and you changed the I sound to an I sound, you would say, hey, it's like, that's it, you're good, you're good. 49:51.948 --> 49:54.211 [SPEAKER_02]: So we could do that. 49:54.571 --> 50:00.598 [SPEAKER_02]: That I think I'd be okay, but you know, if I started to do some accents, I can go back from. 50:01.427 --> 50:02.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you get in trouble. 50:02.708 --> 50:03.609 [SPEAKER_01]: Get in trouble quickly. 50:03.649 --> 50:03.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 50:03.990 --> 50:04.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 50:04.610 --> 50:06.632 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 50:06.732 --> 50:07.213 [SPEAKER_01]: Where are we? 50:07.653 --> 50:11.357 [SPEAKER_02]: We also have another audio message from our main speedster stoves. 50:12.238 --> 50:18.644 [SPEAKER_02]: Speedster stoves says Speedster stoves here he says tugby champion 50:20.929 --> 50:22.070 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, Lance. 50:22.150 --> 50:26.072 [SPEAKER_04]: Here's a talk tip that you don't really need to know, but I thought I'd pass it on. 50:26.932 --> 50:29.113 [SPEAKER_04]: My Corby Balls have six millimeter heads. 50:29.713 --> 50:32.735 [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, how Corby Balls repair the arches? 50:35.762 --> 50:51.745 [SPEAKER_04]: But if you slip a piece of plastic all over the head of your screwdriver and push your core, we both head into the plastic, it'll hold it fire and then you won't get a potchial away your fingers trying to pick glue bits of core, we both will shove them back in the wall. 50:52.385 --> 50:55.505 [SPEAKER_04]: You'll think, thank us for that one, cheers, bye. 50:55.985 --> 50:59.506 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why he's the tugby champion of the world. 51:00.186 --> 51:01.106 [SPEAKER_02]: There's all sorts of things. 51:01.126 --> 51:03.467 [SPEAKER_01]: He's putting up his put up poses on the end of things, yeah. 51:06.346 --> 51:06.886 [SPEAKER_01]: So what's he doing? 51:06.906 --> 51:12.387 [SPEAKER_01]: He's putting, I guess he's helping the Colby Bolt in a bit of hose and yeah. 51:12.447 --> 51:20.409 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think he's putting like some plastic over the bit and then he's just kind of like the bits kind of tight. 51:20.629 --> 51:31.472 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my Corby bolts are slotted and I got a few messages in regards to some messages about that you can have Corby Bolt's made with any type of head you want. 51:31.512 --> 51:33.092 [SPEAKER_02]: You just got to buy him a bulk and pay for him. 51:33.677 --> 51:40.722 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, my whole thing is actually, I'll take it for my Corby Boltzware machine. 51:41.443 --> 51:47.748 [SPEAKER_02]: I will dress the screwdriver specifically for that Corby Bolt, just to make sure that I'm not foolin' around. 51:48.208 --> 51:54.013 [SPEAKER_02]: And from freeing around, I will say that when I put in Corby Boltz in my, I'm there already in. 51:54.353 --> 51:56.615 [SPEAKER_02]: There are already in the scales before I put them together. 51:57.015 --> 52:00.498 [SPEAKER_02]: Like especially the, not the shank end, 52:03.620 --> 52:31.360 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's that is in as far as it's going to go if I don't fuck with putting them together after the fact is I also want the Corby bolts to be proud of the knife like I drive fit everything and I want the the shaft of the the sleeve to be proud of the knife anyway so when I put the other side on it's kind of like clips in and then I don't I don't really fuck around too much but I do make sure that one end is in tight before 52:32.381 --> 52:34.224 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm with him. 52:35.005 --> 52:35.606 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah. 52:36.527 --> 52:37.048 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 52:37.068 --> 52:39.232 [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. 52:39.432 --> 52:40.053 [SPEAKER_02]: Where else? 52:40.994 --> 52:42.336 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 52:44.713 --> 52:46.734 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is something you could answer. 52:46.934 --> 52:50.835 [SPEAKER_02]: A number of months ago, we were talking about what's the worst materials you've ever used. 52:51.335 --> 52:54.916 [SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about different types of wood that's awful to use in our trip. 52:54.936 --> 52:58.737 [SPEAKER_02]: Man trails, edge knives, and I think that you probably have some similar thoughts. 52:59.517 --> 53:04.859 [SPEAKER_02]: Going from your worst materials bit earlier, I'm working on a knife right now, and it has made me want to. 53:04.899 --> 53:05.819 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you want to end it. 53:06.559 --> 53:31.395 [SPEAKER_02]: copper lineers copper lineers and segments especially it heats up so stupidly fast everything delaminates from melting the epoxy you have to grind it so slowly with so many frequent bullet breaks it's horrible it's a shame though because it looks pretty good copper lineers I was going to say I was going to say brass lineers I've used brass lineers in the past absolute nightmare because 53:32.536 --> 53:46.792 [SPEAKER_01]: any machine in the LT form so then you know you need to make everything a little bit bigger than it needs to be when you grind it down particularly if it's already a deer to your scales whether it's water wherever it may probably is going to be wood using brass. 53:48.433 --> 53:52.578 [SPEAKER_01]: The heat builds up crazy in like said the epoxy will just pop off as well. 53:53.283 --> 53:54.804 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, yeah, it's a nightmare. 53:54.824 --> 53:58.466 [SPEAKER_01]: So what I was having to do is sort of mechanically fix everything. 53:58.766 --> 54:00.247 [SPEAKER_01]: What's doing the job? 54:00.487 --> 54:04.349 [SPEAKER_01]: What's doing any sort of grinded or anything like that? 54:05.289 --> 54:09.411 [SPEAKER_01]: Lots and lots of like, heat relief holes within the hidden bits that you couldn't see as well. 54:09.431 --> 54:10.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of like around the tang. 54:11.532 --> 54:20.277 [SPEAKER_01]: But once you've done the holes, you then need to sort of sand everything back again because you were guess it was sort of a burr in around the holes. 54:21.194 --> 54:27.998 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just an it looked so so beautiful and I did mine with like black Ebony black Ebony with brass and it looked stunning. 54:28.018 --> 54:32.440 [SPEAKER_01]: It looked beautiful, but it was so much work, so so much work. 54:32.540 --> 54:34.881 [SPEAKER_01]: I did one knife like it. 54:34.921 --> 54:35.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to do it again. 54:36.832 --> 54:57.682 [SPEAKER_02]: Brass is amazing, but like yeah, I use brass core bees only because in my opinion, especially with I don't necessarily think of the best core bees over time because they do mid-Petina But I like that too like I always use brass core bees and because I do like the change But I mean they're the easiest to work with and as far as I'm concerned because I almost feel like 54:58.482 --> 55:01.503 [SPEAKER_02]: you know anything and I think that's part of the process too. 55:01.563 --> 55:12.284 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like figuring out well what's going to work best for you as well you know and and sometimes you have to find something that's you know that's going to be lights out and then you can slowly make that change. 55:12.765 --> 55:22.186 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah the I've used copper a couple times and I'm like this sucks you know this totally sucks like I wouldn't yeah I really I think about some things that I really wouldn't work with anymore in 55:27.773 --> 55:34.404 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about aesthetic choices earlier and I think sometimes you need to rule out the aesthetic of choice if it doesn't work so well. 55:34.424 --> 55:41.676 [SPEAKER_01]: So a good example of that is I did a run a year ago at these plastic recycled water bottle handles for chef knives. 55:42.978 --> 55:48.599 [SPEAKER_01]: So they were sort of gray, like a smoky gray, and obviously you've got, you know, the silver of the blade then. 55:49.419 --> 56:00.201 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was thinking, well, it'd be great to have stainless corpies rather than brass, because the brass, it just looks out to place everything is gray and silver, you know, to have then brass would be would be a bit weird. 56:01.381 --> 56:10.303 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so we talked about last week using stainless corbi bolts, but doing that, they're so hard to, um, 56:11.790 --> 56:13.331 [SPEAKER_01]: don't shit to grind down. 56:13.351 --> 56:14.211 [SPEAKER_01]: The grind down. 56:15.371 --> 56:20.193 [SPEAKER_01]: You generate a lot of heat and particularly when I was using these plastic handles, they melt around the bolt. 56:20.733 --> 56:26.516 [SPEAKER_01]: It's soft on around the bolt and it was just like, oh, so okay, so we need to go slowly. 56:26.836 --> 56:31.817 [SPEAKER_01]: But then what would happen is the plastic would grind away leaving the pins proud. 56:32.498 --> 56:34.058 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just the nightmare. 56:34.138 --> 56:40.881 [SPEAKER_01]: That was one of those occasions where aesthetically, it's not as perfect as I wanted, but ended up using brass bolts. 56:41.341 --> 57:07.202 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but yeah, Corby's they, if you've got a system and they work great, they're great, but you've got to work out that system first and whether you're putting, you know, stops on your drill press, you know, you're just, you know, the little countersink bits that you use for Corby's, make sure they're going to the exact depth each time and that kind of thing, because it's so easy to mess up and generally that's going to be that, it's going to be that time when you 57:07.876 --> 57:14.225 [SPEAKER_01]: you finish your blade and yet you know your handles are ready and you screw in your handle on and that's when you're going to find the issue and keep like our fuck. 57:14.646 --> 57:16.628 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a lot of work to go backwards then. 57:17.690 --> 57:24.700 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah it's I think you've got to you've got to plan everything and make sure things set up right when using Colby's other. 57:25.082 --> 57:34.389 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any materials that you absolutely hate, but you don't hate them as much as you love them when the product is finished? 57:34.469 --> 57:42.936 [SPEAKER_02]: To the point where you know it's gonna be a problem and you're willing to deal with the problem because the finished product is so great. 57:42.956 --> 57:50.362 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to make my own mosaic pens and again, one of those things, when they come out great, they come out great. 57:51.448 --> 57:54.652 [SPEAKER_01]: but it was always hard to find any sort of voids within it. 57:54.692 --> 58:06.390 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you think that you think of a making a put mosaic pen, you have like a tube, it's brass copper or stainless wherever it may be, and then you put the small rods or tubes in there to make you a patty mosaic. 58:07.030 --> 58:12.734 [SPEAKER_01]: You then fill it with an epoxy, so generally a colored epoxy, so you put some pigment in it to color it. 58:13.275 --> 58:16.017 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was using a ciphon system to ciphon it through. 58:17.338 --> 58:19.960 [SPEAKER_01]: But you never know if there's going to be an air void in there. 58:21.241 --> 58:24.203 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can grind a pin down to maybe an inch. 58:25.859 --> 58:29.102 [SPEAKER_01]: an inch long seeing it, okay, that'll be used for, you know, for one pin for an eye for whatever. 58:29.602 --> 58:32.824 [SPEAKER_01]: And the ends may look great, but you never know in the middle that could be avoided. 58:33.425 --> 58:41.590 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was always a worry of when you're doing it, when you grind everything down flush, is they're going to be avoided. 58:41.851 --> 58:50.677 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was always a pain in the house, but when there isn't, and it comes out great, it's like, it feels if it's worth all our hard work, because they look fantastic. 58:51.395 --> 58:55.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it is always like a pain in the ass to do pain in the ass. 58:55.398 --> 59:02.083 [SPEAKER_02]: After listening to you years ago, I ended up getting one of those little pan pump siphons, the whole to do those, those to do those pins. 59:02.783 --> 59:14.632 [SPEAKER_02]: So how do you, so it's a pin, you take your tube, you fill it with your, whatever, your bars, or whatever, and then you mix up your epoxy, you stick the tube, you stick your, the, the, 59:15.252 --> 59:24.680 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess the tube of the copper tube or whatever the tube is into the epoxy and you put your siphon on and then when you stop when the shit starts leaking at the top. 59:25.660 --> 59:26.881 [SPEAKER_01]: No, well I do the other way around. 59:27.001 --> 59:37.890 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so the siphon system, I think it was a bleeding brakes on a car, but basically you have like a six millimeter flexible tube on the end. 59:37.910 --> 59:40.052 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can put that right over the end of your 59:40.834 --> 59:41.854 [SPEAKER_01]: your large pin. 59:42.195 --> 59:47.117 [SPEAKER_01]: And generally, they're about like 10 inches long, you know, you do, you do a whole, you know, whole rod of a perosaic. 59:47.777 --> 59:56.060 [SPEAKER_01]: So you put that on one end and you, the other end, you, you put some tape over, just some blue paint to stop, stop coming out the other side. 59:56.600 --> 59:59.982 [SPEAKER_01]: And so then you're pushing it rather than sucking through your pushing, you're pushing in. 01:00:00.002 --> 01:00:00.062 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 01:00:01.602 --> 01:00:02.623 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the way I was doing it. 01:00:02.783 --> 01:00:05.343 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're creating a pressure to push right through. 01:00:05.363 --> 01:00:09.245 [SPEAKER_01]: You can always put your thumb on the one end as well, you know, just to start. 01:00:10.185 --> 01:00:14.607 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's the way I was doing a rather than pulling it through, I was pushing it through. 01:00:14.747 --> 01:00:15.707 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:00:16.347 --> 01:00:16.647 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:00:16.667 --> 01:00:17.047 [SPEAKER_01]: I said tube. 01:00:19.308 --> 01:00:34.602 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have a little plastic like hose on the end to six mil what you then put your So you know, so it's a tight fit against your Like tube got it and you then yeah, you then Hydraulically probably you know dripping out you've to make it very thick, right? 01:00:36.184 --> 01:00:41.208 [SPEAKER_01]: You just got to pull out at the right time and Well, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean 01:00:44.033 --> 01:00:54.756 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say if you just put, you need to, like a blow off file, basically, so I was just putting blue painters tape over there, which would stop it, come in, put, you know, when it does start coming out, you know, that's a bit of pressure then, you know, you're full up. 01:00:55.256 --> 01:01:08.801 [SPEAKER_01]: So then just take off the tube, paint to stay both ends, make sure you roll them as much as possible, you know, for a good sort of minute roll them to make sure the epoxy is getting everywhere in an air bubbles will sort of dissipate towards the edges. 01:01:10.657 --> 01:01:15.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, it's a lot of work, but when you see the finished product, it's like, okay, these do look great. 01:01:16.161 --> 01:01:26.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we also think, is it worth all that work when you've got some some Asian guy trying to sell you six meters of mosaic pen for 30. 01:01:26.847 --> 01:01:27.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 30 points. 01:01:27.928 --> 01:01:30.650 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they all got to figure, I mean, some people obviously have to figure it out. 01:01:31.224 --> 01:01:34.206 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because there are people who are doing the mosaic pin situation. 01:01:34.326 --> 01:01:43.311 [SPEAKER_02]: I just never really, I'm so convinced that the copper, you know, just it's going to someday, whatever is going to glue is going to come out and it's going to slip out or something like that. 01:01:43.331 --> 01:01:53.257 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't really mess with it, but there's one material that I hate working with, but I will do it because it's such a great, it's such a great experience at the end. 01:01:53.977 --> 01:01:55.618 [SPEAKER_02]: is it's like a fake turquoise. 01:01:55.819 --> 01:01:56.599 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what they do. 01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:01.463 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they get like a turquoise blue and then they know the black bubbles. 01:02:01.523 --> 01:02:03.244 [SPEAKER_02]: They blow like the black bubbles into it. 01:02:03.265 --> 01:02:06.727 [SPEAKER_02]: So it looks like a piece of like marble or stone. 01:02:06.747 --> 01:02:07.748 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really like stone, isn't it? 01:02:07.808 --> 01:02:08.369 [SPEAKER_01]: Like stone. 01:02:08.689 --> 01:02:08.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:02:09.229 --> 01:02:14.473 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, stuff is awesome with a black handle and you use like that as the bolster. 01:02:14.593 --> 01:02:15.254 [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing. 01:02:15.354 --> 01:02:17.156 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're using two pieces, 01:02:17.856 --> 01:02:27.423 [SPEAKER_02]: You must bring you must buy six because you're going to just, you know, you're going to, the, it's the drill, the drill is going to cat even a brand new one. 01:02:27.443 --> 01:02:44.454 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to catch one of them outside bubbles and it's going to just, it's going to crack apart and every time I do it, I'm, I never just like, a lot of knife makers will just get to if we need to get to and then you'll hopefully not have to roll the dice to repair it, but I want any time I do that, I'm like, 01:02:45.335 --> 01:03:01.230 [SPEAKER_02]: If I do, if I do one set, I'm going to need four, four, six, six, just like I know that there's three of them are going to go out the door and I hate it, but at the same time, and then you're counting down because you broke three of them and you only have a certain, yeah, you're just hoping and hoping and hoping, but 01:03:01.350 --> 01:03:05.335 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love the idea of materials like black palm. 01:03:05.475 --> 01:03:06.556 [SPEAKER_02]: I love black palm. 01:03:06.616 --> 01:03:08.479 [SPEAKER_02]: I think black palm looks amazing. 01:03:08.939 --> 01:03:10.121 [SPEAKER_02]: But it just shreds. 01:03:10.821 --> 01:03:16.028 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like putting a Corby Bolt in the shred or we, you know, it's just like a weed-a-bix. 01:03:16.048 --> 01:03:16.969 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's what you would eat. 01:03:17.009 --> 01:03:17.489 [SPEAKER_02]: Weed-a-bix. 01:03:17.790 --> 01:03:19.772 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't, I mean, it just falls apart. 01:03:20.533 --> 01:03:22.534 [SPEAKER_02]: But I want to revisit that. 01:03:22.574 --> 01:03:27.937 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're listening to this podcast, send me in the material that you hate to work with. 01:03:28.537 --> 01:03:31.758 [SPEAKER_02]: But you're just like, I really love the way it works. 01:03:32.399 --> 01:03:36.281 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm willing to deal with the problems because it's just too good. 01:03:37.501 --> 01:03:37.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:03:38.402 --> 01:03:40.523 [SPEAKER_01]: And conversely, the other side as well. 01:03:40.603 --> 01:03:40.883 [SPEAKER_01]: So. 01:03:42.166 --> 01:03:46.191 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to get all my knife-making stuff back over here now so I can be making more properly again. 01:03:46.872 --> 01:03:49.876 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've been looking through my old stuff like I used to make these videos of things. 01:03:51.398 --> 01:03:58.667 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember making this X-Files knife I'd called it and it had the handle was this this stuff that's called Crazy Fiber. 01:03:59.568 --> 01:04:17.274 [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah and it's it's brilliant to work with and I only have used it that one so I'm excited to you know try and get hold of some of that stuff again that was really cool stuff to use that crazy fibers awesome for some reason it's all mean Russia I don't know how they do it it's different than G Carter G Carter yeah yeah 01:04:17.914 --> 01:04:21.235 [SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, jailhands and sons as a great job with the G card, it's really great. 01:04:21.255 --> 01:04:28.298 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's something about the crazy fiber, it's a little bit tighter and different. 01:04:28.398 --> 01:04:33.120 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just different stuff is amazing, but like getting it, it's like, I don't know who the help. 01:04:33.701 --> 01:04:40.303 [SPEAKER_02]: You can get it like a billiard supply store sometimes, but what you have to be well, I can tell you now exactly what you can get it. 01:04:41.204 --> 01:04:41.504 [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy. 01:04:41.524 --> 01:04:42.784 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have to something there, Jeffrey. 01:04:42.904 --> 01:04:43.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:04:43.385 --> 01:04:44.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy. 01:04:44.185 --> 01:04:45.446 [SPEAKER_01]: My wife supply.com. 01:04:46.848 --> 01:04:48.449 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got crazy fiber there. 01:04:48.469 --> 01:04:50.031 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got, they've got all the importants. 01:04:50.071 --> 01:04:53.173 [SPEAKER_01]: Monnae, Desert Storm, Oasis, Ghostbusters, funky banana. 01:04:53.193 --> 01:04:53.874 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got it all. 01:04:56.798 --> 01:05:18.413 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is great stuff to we're easy to drill, easy to sand each to finish, and it looks spectacular as well, but yeah, maritime knife supply salad as well, crazy fiber scales, as well as a bunch of other sort of cool handle materials, just looking out voodoo resin, just read some of the names of the crazy fire again. 01:05:19.474 --> 01:05:21.515 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's have a look, did did do. 01:05:25.931 --> 01:05:35.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Ghostbusters, Red Dawn, City Lights, Bengal, Blue Horizon, Funky Banana, chocolate swirl, and a green goblin. 01:05:37.916 --> 01:05:40.977 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the Funky Banana, the Funky Banana. 01:05:42.013 --> 01:05:45.417 [SPEAKER_01]: And you can also tell them if you want to X cut a Y cut as well. 01:05:45.437 --> 01:05:48.541 [SPEAKER_01]: So you go and sort of against the grain or with the grain to get all these mad patterns. 01:05:48.621 --> 01:05:51.665 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, they've got you sorted there. 01:05:51.685 --> 01:05:55.150 [SPEAKER_01]: MaritimeLiveSupply.com and obviously they do everything else that you need. 01:05:55.210 --> 01:05:59.095 [SPEAKER_01]: Tools, equipment, hardware, serial, steel, abrasives, everything you need. 01:05:59.355 --> 01:06:00.496 [SPEAKER_01]: MaritimeLiveSupply.com. 01:06:01.672 --> 01:06:04.856 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't know, I'm talking about Crazy Fiber, just Google it on the side. 01:06:04.876 --> 01:06:06.257 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got lots and lots of types. 01:06:06.417 --> 01:06:07.479 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you can see. 01:06:07.499 --> 01:06:08.500 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:10.442 [SPEAKER_02]: What is a funky banana anyway? 01:06:10.943 --> 01:06:12.104 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Wendy? 01:06:13.305 --> 01:06:15.267 [SPEAKER_02]: That's you ever refer to a banana. 01:06:15.347 --> 01:06:16.449 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a banana. 01:06:16.469 --> 01:06:18.050 [SPEAKER_02]: You're sitting around in a banana. 01:06:18.071 --> 01:06:19.152 [SPEAKER_02]: This banana is funky. 01:06:19.612 --> 01:06:22.295 [SPEAKER_02]: Why would you ever, why would that ever do you? 01:06:22.315 --> 01:06:26.541 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it means like funky as in like, it's passed itself by date. 01:06:26.601 --> 01:06:27.462 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit, a bit. 01:06:27.522 --> 01:06:28.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, is that what it is? 01:06:28.683 --> 01:06:29.044 [SPEAKER_01]: funky. 01:06:29.344 --> 01:06:29.564 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:06:29.905 --> 01:06:31.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, looking at it, that's what it looks like. 01:06:31.306 --> 01:06:31.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:06:32.448 --> 01:06:33.609 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a rotten banana. 01:06:33.629 --> 01:06:33.829 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:06:34.470 --> 01:06:34.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:06:34.911 --> 01:06:35.571 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. 01:06:38.108 --> 01:06:39.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, any more questions. 01:06:39.929 --> 01:06:41.690 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got plenty of questions. 01:06:41.710 --> 01:06:43.191 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we should definitely go back to the questions. 01:06:44.271 --> 01:06:51.635 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, this next one comes from Armand, uh, Paul Giants. 01:06:51.715 --> 01:06:52.336 [SPEAKER_02]: Speed the stove. 01:06:52.436 --> 01:06:53.416 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, speed the stove. 01:06:53.476 --> 01:06:54.937 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right. 01:06:54.957 --> 01:06:55.217 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:06:55.317 --> 01:06:55.497 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:06:55.597 --> 01:06:56.298 [SPEAKER_02]: Speed your stove. 01:06:56.338 --> 01:06:57.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Gary's a good dude. 01:06:57.598 --> 01:07:03.921 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to hear your thoughts about how, how handy the youngsters of today are compared to when you are young. 01:07:04.022 --> 01:07:06.543 [SPEAKER_02]: I personally think the youth of today don't seem to be able to 01:07:07.223 --> 01:07:10.965 [SPEAKER_02]: to be as hands-on as me and my friends at their similar age. 01:07:11.485 --> 01:07:14.226 [SPEAKER_02]: There must be many reasons for this technology is moved on. 01:07:14.306 --> 01:07:18.388 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not cool to work with your hands anymore, tinkering discouraged by manufacturers, etc. 01:07:18.948 --> 01:07:22.790 [SPEAKER_02]: I was given tools as presents when I was young, some young people in their 20s. 01:07:22.870 --> 01:07:24.871 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even don't even own a hammer. 01:07:25.631 --> 01:07:26.812 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about the youth? 01:07:27.219 --> 01:07:31.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, but the youth, it's a weird one. 01:07:31.882 --> 01:07:38.466 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think they have different skill sets to what I had when I was a kid, massively different. 01:07:40.007 --> 01:07:49.753 [SPEAKER_01]: But surprisingly, I think we've almost skipped so my initial thought is, oh, kids now, it probably no far more about the internet and all that kind of stuff. 01:07:50.616 --> 01:07:52.577 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but they don't really, they don't. 01:07:52.657 --> 01:08:10.982 [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, when I was sort of 1617, the internet was starting to become a thing and me being me with my brain, I wanted to know exactly how it worked, how web pages were built and how they were served and how, you know, I wanted to know, well, if that works on a, you know, what code in the user and how it, how does that work? 01:08:12.198 --> 01:08:28.546 [SPEAKER_01]: because it was a new thing, so it's like massively inquisitive about it, but I think generation of kids now, they've grown up, the internet's just always been there, so they don't get a shit how it works, they don't care, it's not new, it's just, it's just, it's always been there. 01:08:28.826 --> 01:08:31.007 [SPEAKER_01]: And regardless of things like tools and things like that, 01:08:32.353 --> 01:08:41.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, everything's becoming a service isn't it, you know, where if you want something built, you can find somebody online who built it for you. 01:08:41.922 --> 01:08:44.665 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want something delivered, you'll find somebody who'll come delivered for you. 01:08:45.886 --> 01:08:47.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Everything is becoming a service. 01:08:48.128 --> 01:08:50.470 [SPEAKER_01]: So I worry that kids won't have to. 01:08:51.287 --> 01:08:57.493 [SPEAKER_01]: They won't, because there's this whole economy built around now, this sort of gig economy of, oh, I need my, I need my grass cut. 01:08:57.633 --> 01:09:04.700 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's somebody that specifies in grass cutting and they'll come and do it for $10 an hour or, you know, I need whatever done. 01:09:05.902 --> 01:09:12.148 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a worry that kids are not having to do all these things themselves and learn these things. 01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:21.384 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also see why schools are not teaching these things as well, because who knows what skills they're going to need in 15 years time. 01:09:22.264 --> 01:09:36.311 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so really, there's definitely a short scale gap of plumbers, electricians, and service makers, I think, the probably is now already. 01:09:37.071 --> 01:09:38.732 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's only going to worsen. 01:09:39.946 --> 01:09:45.010 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, kids, they want to be, they want to be YouTubers that they want to be, whatever it is these days. 01:09:45.450 --> 01:09:47.512 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what kids want to be these days. 01:09:47.532 --> 01:09:47.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:09:48.413 --> 01:09:49.934 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who their role models are. 01:09:49.954 --> 01:09:55.738 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who they're looking up to, um, aside from what they're seeing on TV, you know, I think it's wild. 01:09:55.758 --> 01:09:58.200 [SPEAKER_01]: They're getting too deep about, yeah, without getting too deep. 01:09:58.220 --> 01:10:00.802 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's up to parents to, you know, to be their role models. 01:10:00.822 --> 01:10:01.442 [SPEAKER_01]: That kind of thing. 01:10:01.502 --> 01:10:03.884 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's, I'm probably going off track. 01:10:03.904 --> 01:10:04.925 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no. 01:10:04.985 --> 01:10:06.026 [SPEAKER_02]: I use a great conversation. 01:10:07.254 --> 01:10:12.915 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a real difficult one because as we mentioned the top of the show, the world seems to be changing so so quickly. 01:10:14.215 --> 01:10:20.497 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the best we can do with our kids is to teach them to be adaptive and to be inquisitive. 01:10:21.557 --> 01:10:28.918 [SPEAKER_01]: So as opportunities do come, they've got a good sort of all-round knowledge to take up these opportunities. 01:10:30.139 --> 01:10:31.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really hard, really difficult. 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:39.186 [SPEAKER_02]: I, there's, what's interesting is, is like, I mean, we've talked with this in the past is like, you and I are, you're on the cusp of not being in generation X anymore. 01:10:39.546 --> 01:10:49.395 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like firmly into the generation X years of, you know, the weirdest part is is like, there were, there were PSA commercials going on. 01:10:51.557 --> 01:10:57.202 [SPEAKER_02]: Go, a focus towards the parents of kids and it would go, it's 10 o'clock, you know, your children are. 01:10:58.083 --> 01:11:07.067 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine, can you imagine, they have to do a public service announcement to parents because children are going fucking wild. 01:11:07.467 --> 01:11:11.849 [SPEAKER_02]: The concept of the latch key kid is that I was a latch key kid, my parents were divorced, and I was alone alone. 01:11:12.409 --> 01:11:16.251 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's this degree of resourcefulness that a lot of generation X kids have. 01:11:16.311 --> 01:11:18.592 [SPEAKER_02]: And I almost feel like it was so crazy. 01:11:19.132 --> 01:11:26.056 [SPEAKER_02]: that other parents are just like, well, I don't want my kids to feel as abandoned as these kids from the generation art. 01:11:26.416 --> 01:11:31.098 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe there was this degree of overpampering, you know, the, the, the, the car millennials. 01:11:31.178 --> 01:11:42.545 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it would, and it would probably was with the best intentions of being like, you know, you're not going to be like my parents were, we, we were abandoned and, you know, whatever, but at the same time, 01:11:43.788 --> 01:11:59.475 [SPEAKER_02]: I love youth culture and my I've learned this for my wife my wife is like she loves young people and I really enjoy the thoughts of young people and I feel it's important to kind of just even just you don't have to I don't you know feel the need to school anybody I feel like the need to just like I want to hear what you have to say. 01:11:59.855 --> 01:12:01.575 [SPEAKER_02]: The different perspective and I appreciate it. 01:12:02.115 --> 01:12:11.477 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I had my daughter had a friend who was waiting tables and he was trying to get into, he wanted to be a professional sculptor. 01:12:11.917 --> 01:12:18.238 [SPEAKER_02]: And my daughter said, well, once you give my dad a call, and he has interns and talks to people and stuff like that about getting jobs and stuff again. 01:12:18.258 --> 01:12:25.720 [SPEAKER_02]: And I talked to him and I said, the most important thing you have to do is, you just have to send a lot of resumes out, regardless of whether or not, 01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:35.798 [SPEAKER_02]: people are offering jobs like there's a lot of especially in metal shops and fabrication shops don't wait for there to be a job opening because then you're competing in people. 01:12:36.710 --> 01:12:54.364 [SPEAKER_02]: When you create people who are looking for work, maybe they're not looking for it now, but if somebody has some, you know, inner fortitude and some, some, you know, some, oomph, you're a lot more likely to find a piece of a work that maybe it wasn't advertised in some paper or on the internet or something like that. 01:12:54.384 --> 01:12:54.565 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:12:54.945 --> 01:13:00.009 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said to him, like, just do your send your resume and make a nice cover letter and just send it to every shop in Brooklyn. 01:13:00.189 --> 01:13:18.113 [SPEAKER_02]: in New York and just send it everywhere and be available and say you'll sweep the floors and just you know be resourceful and you could get a job now he's full-time fabricator in the shop and and it was interesting because he was just like I'd never heard information like that and I get also you know people are age who have always done that. 01:13:18.313 --> 01:13:20.856 [SPEAKER_02]: Every job I've ever gotten, I never answered that. 01:13:21.176 --> 01:13:27.302 [SPEAKER_02]: I've always, I've always sent my resume in a letter saying, Hey, listen, I'm for, you know, this is what I am to sort of do. 01:13:27.362 --> 01:13:29.884 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to work for you or see or something like that. 01:13:30.265 --> 01:13:32.147 [SPEAKER_02]: Every job I've ever gotten, I've reached out. 01:13:32.867 --> 01:13:35.569 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like there's a job you want, not what's available. 01:13:35.690 --> 01:13:39.733 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, it's not like, it's not some sort of, you know, guru shit. 01:13:39.753 --> 01:13:42.676 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, you know, there are a lot of times most of these people. 01:13:43.016 --> 01:13:44.377 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to compete with other people. 01:13:44.698 --> 01:13:50.002 [SPEAKER_02]: So once you get in there before they, before they start to, you know, maybe they look, yeah, you know, I could use a hand here. 01:13:50.022 --> 01:13:53.245 [SPEAKER_02]: And this guy seems like he's responsible to do something. 01:13:53.665 --> 01:13:57.008 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm more, I'm more surprised that there's a lack of resourcefulness 01:14:00.412 --> 01:14:03.935 [SPEAKER_02]: Handiness like hey, you know, you learn how to do listen trust me. 01:14:04.115 --> 01:14:04.416 [SPEAKER_02]: I got it. 01:14:04.736 --> 01:14:17.009 [SPEAKER_02]: We get people who you know can't read a tape measure in the knife main community It's it's not abnormal but there is I think that one of the things about blacksmithing in general or making or being a maker or being whatever 01:14:18.130 --> 01:14:24.515 [SPEAKER_02]: It's more important to learn how to be a resource fall than to follow the rules of the regulations. 01:14:24.935 --> 01:14:30.580 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the guy in the beginning who said that this guy said, don't learn how to be a blacksmith or not to be a bladesmith and focus your energy. 01:14:31.261 --> 01:14:33.903 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's more important to learn how to be resourceful. 01:14:34.483 --> 01:14:37.866 [SPEAKER_02]: And then how do you take that resourcefulness and then kind of put it into your life? 01:14:38.587 --> 01:14:41.089 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that becomes kind of more interesting. 01:14:46.333 --> 01:14:49.234 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're all, if everybody's company, we're all fucked. 01:14:49.734 --> 01:14:52.756 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, why would I, why would I, why would I want, why would I want everyone? 01:14:52.776 --> 01:14:54.036 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want someone to take my job. 01:14:55.036 --> 01:15:11.883 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I do feel sorry for teenagers at the moment, because I think our generation, particularly the generations before us, we're always told, get a job, you, you'll be able to get a house, you get a family and that kind of thing. 01:15:12.323 --> 01:15:15.647 [SPEAKER_01]: There's kids now, you know, and they are working, they're working hard. 01:15:15.827 --> 01:15:18.930 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got no way in the world they'll ever afford a house of their own. 01:15:20.432 --> 01:15:22.354 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's really sad. 01:15:22.374 --> 01:15:23.956 [SPEAKER_01]: So then you think, well, well, why should I? 01:15:23.996 --> 01:15:24.497 [SPEAKER_01]: Why should I? 01:15:24.797 --> 01:15:25.237 [SPEAKER_01]: Why should I? 01:15:25.458 --> 01:15:26.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Why should I conform? 01:15:27.220 --> 01:15:29.022 [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm not getting anything back out of it, you know? 01:15:29.302 --> 01:15:31.885 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can sort of understand the frustrations and 01:15:33.006 --> 01:15:34.186 [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough, tough out there. 01:15:34.387 --> 01:15:37.248 [SPEAKER_02]: I just remember when my daughter was in high school. 01:15:37.728 --> 01:15:40.869 [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw the kids that she was going to school with and none of them were. 01:15:40.969 --> 01:15:44.710 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sorry to say this, but a lot of them were not very bright. 01:15:44.850 --> 01:15:48.372 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was hanging out with kids who were, you know, some of them were really nice and smart. 01:15:48.392 --> 01:15:49.532 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I was like, 01:15:50.114 --> 01:15:53.235 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to be in a position of where you're not the smartest person in the room. 01:15:53.455 --> 01:15:54.635 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the last thing you want. 01:15:54.655 --> 01:15:56.936 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to be around people who are inspiring. 01:15:56.956 --> 01:15:58.236 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to be around people. 01:15:58.256 --> 01:15:59.656 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to be the fucking main dude. 01:16:00.236 --> 01:16:01.877 [SPEAKER_02]: Being the main dude is like for the worst. 01:16:02.557 --> 01:16:06.358 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember talking to her and I said, just let you know, you have to learn how to communicate. 01:16:06.738 --> 01:16:08.578 [SPEAKER_02]: We used to have use of it. 01:16:08.598 --> 01:16:09.198 [SPEAKER_02]: Not knocked down Dr. 01:16:09.218 --> 01:16:13.799 [SPEAKER_02]: I got fights, but I would have debates in the house and my wife hated it because she thought we were arguing. 01:16:14.380 --> 01:16:16.000 [SPEAKER_02]: And what I would say to Lila is, listen, 01:16:17.252 --> 01:16:18.513 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm willing to be wrong. 01:16:18.553 --> 01:16:21.656 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm willing, I want you to convince me about something. 01:16:22.076 --> 01:16:23.877 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to figure out how to use your words. 01:16:24.518 --> 01:16:26.559 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm willing to change my opinion. 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:27.540 [SPEAKER_02]: Convince me. 01:16:27.981 --> 01:16:35.687 [SPEAKER_02]: You use the words that convince me of your conversation is like a lock and if you're the right combination, you can get to the fucking lock. 01:16:36.367 --> 01:16:44.909 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just remember we talked about recently and she was just like that was huge because like figuring out how to navigate and they don't teach it at school. 01:16:45.069 --> 01:16:46.189 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't teach a lot of this stuff. 01:16:46.209 --> 01:16:46.449 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:16:46.529 --> 01:16:52.110 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of up to the parents to get their kids to be competent to get on to life. 01:16:52.410 --> 01:16:55.250 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really it's it's you're right. 01:16:55.510 --> 01:16:56.351 [SPEAKER_02]: You're absolutely right. 01:16:56.371 --> 01:17:00.311 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit it's you get nervous especially with AI. 01:17:00.671 --> 01:17:02.452 [SPEAKER_02]: They're taking away jobs left and right. 01:17:05.323 --> 01:17:05.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:17:05.829 --> 01:17:06.617 [SPEAKER_02]: What are they going to do? 01:17:09.755 --> 01:17:10.576 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what they should do? 01:17:10.696 --> 01:17:11.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead. 01:17:11.637 --> 01:17:15.600 [SPEAKER_01]: They should head to town to see what they're asking. 01:17:15.620 --> 01:17:15.840 [SPEAKER_01]: Right? 01:17:15.860 --> 01:17:16.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Gather themselves. 01:17:16.561 --> 01:17:18.843 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the finest steel. 01:17:19.223 --> 01:17:21.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the finest stuff out there. 01:17:22.126 --> 01:17:22.947 [SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful patterns. 01:17:23.147 --> 01:17:26.990 [SPEAKER_01]: So even the thick kids, they can just look at the patterns online that they'll be entertaining for them. 01:17:27.210 --> 01:17:29.132 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the stupid kids. 01:17:29.172 --> 01:17:30.613 [SPEAKER_01]: But go to Domestika.se. 01:17:30.673 --> 01:17:33.416 [SPEAKER_01]: Go take a look at the beautiful patterns they've got. 01:17:34.136 --> 01:17:35.237 [SPEAKER_01]: And make something special. 01:17:36.322 --> 01:17:40.827 [SPEAKER_01]: We're all looking to improve our work and the best way you can do that is by getting better materials. 01:17:40.987 --> 01:17:43.970 [SPEAKER_01]: And Darmasteele do the best, do the best. 01:17:44.310 --> 01:17:48.434 [SPEAKER_01]: Domesteele.se, Darmasteele AB on Instagram, go take a look. 01:17:48.474 --> 01:17:50.656 [SPEAKER_01]: You see the kind of stuff people are making with Darmasteele. 01:17:51.237 --> 01:17:55.481 [SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful stainless Damascus, that's easier to use than you would think. 01:17:55.581 --> 01:17:57.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Go take a look at Darmasteele.se. 01:17:57.683 --> 01:18:00.186 [SPEAKER_01]: And discount, there's a discount, Jeff isn't there? 01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:04.303 [SPEAKER_02]: Ahhhh, yeah, and they've talked to him. 01:18:05.125 --> 01:18:05.365 [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't it? 01:18:05.405 --> 01:18:07.249 [SPEAKER_01]: I've talked to him for 10% off your order. 01:18:07.329 --> 01:18:10.034 [SPEAKER_01]: Domestille.se, not bad at all. 01:18:10.215 --> 01:18:11.938 [SPEAKER_02]: Not bad at all. 01:18:13.174 --> 01:18:18.778 [SPEAKER_02]: Our man Paul Jansson GSL says our whiskey barrels worth it for handle material. 01:18:19.259 --> 01:18:24.082 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a guy locally who has Buffalo Trace Distillery barrels for $97 a piece. 01:18:25.002 --> 01:18:28.225 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea if that's a good price or if it's not worth the effort. 01:18:28.245 --> 01:18:31.207 [SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever worked with barrel staves or whiskey barrels? 01:18:31.407 --> 01:18:32.047 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't. 01:18:32.247 --> 01:18:33.028 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't. 01:18:33.768 --> 01:18:38.212 [SPEAKER_01]: So I assume that you take the staves off on the arch though. 01:18:38.232 --> 01:18:39.713 [SPEAKER_01]: So you have to go do a lot of work on them. 01:18:41.075 --> 01:18:46.399 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a tricky part about barrels are, you have to, the processing. 01:18:47.060 --> 01:18:53.545 [SPEAKER_02]: Years ago, I worked with Chef friend of mine and we, he sent me a barrel of a wine barrel. 01:18:54.125 --> 01:18:56.928 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I had to mill it down, then I sent it to gaze, be stabilized. 01:18:57.948 --> 01:19:01.971 [SPEAKER_02]: And the staves, which are the, you know, the uprights. 01:19:02.972 --> 01:19:05.334 [SPEAKER_02]: are, yeah, there's not a lot of material that's flat. 01:19:05.874 --> 01:19:11.398 [SPEAKER_02]: So you have to figure out a way to mill it down, so it's worth the energy and effort. 01:19:11.978 --> 01:19:24.706 [SPEAKER_02]: So what I started to realize is, because especially if they send you, I once got a barrel sent to me, it was a fucking nightmare, and then I had also a barrel sent to me that was like, they just took the steel off the barrel and put all the staves in the box and sent to me. 01:19:24.726 --> 01:19:25.807 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a disaster, too. 01:19:26.647 --> 01:19:29.491 [SPEAKER_02]: The heads of the barrels to me are the easiest to me. 01:19:29.651 --> 01:19:36.659 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem with the heads of the barrels is each stave has a certain amount of each barrel head board. 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:39.523 [SPEAKER_02]: I've only a certain amount of material that you can use. 01:19:39.803 --> 01:19:42.006 [SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of the processing, it's flat. 01:19:42.426 --> 01:19:45.730 [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing is is depending on how the barrels are put together. 01:19:46.731 --> 01:20:09.944 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of these heads have maybe like a wooden dowel or maybe that they're they're they're pinned together so you have to like figure out where you break them apart and then you You figure out where you're spacing is like maybe there are two pins and the pins are five and a half inches away and you're like okay if I just cut these Where the pins are then I'll have five inches of handle material 01:20:11.464 --> 01:20:15.226 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, there's a lot of headache and we're the staves. 01:20:15.566 --> 01:20:17.707 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know how you get them on a table saw. 01:20:18.147 --> 01:20:21.968 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like, you know, how you break them down, that's a disaster. 01:20:22.769 --> 01:20:24.169 [SPEAKER_02]: $97 seems like a good price. 01:20:24.189 --> 01:20:25.070 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, think about this. 01:20:25.130 --> 01:20:34.673 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you get a set of scales, it's probably even the least, the most, let's just say the average cost of a set of scales is like $40. 01:20:35.173 --> 01:20:37.194 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can probably get a lot more out of it. 01:20:39.996 --> 01:20:47.541 [SPEAKER_02]: People will Buffalo traces of I guess the famous distillery they do a lot of the different barrels and they make Burb and stuff like that. 01:20:47.581 --> 01:20:56.388 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be a good selling point for sure Just know that the juice might not be 100% worth that for $97 You're gonna get more than two sets of scales. 01:20:56.829 --> 01:20:57.529 [SPEAKER_02]: That's number one. 01:20:57.649 --> 01:21:06.776 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, even if you got the whole barrel I would think if if I had the opportunity to get a barrel Buffalo trace barrel, I would do it for $97 for sure 01:21:08.798 --> 01:21:28.958 [SPEAKER_02]: because I'm definitely going to get like out of the head you're probably going to get like let's just say you get 10 sets of scales out of each head so then two heads it's maybe maybe let's just say let's just say let's just say let's just say let's just say 30 sets of scales and then you could probably noodle your way around those yeah it's definitely worth $97 01:21:30.783 --> 01:21:31.824 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it works. 01:21:31.844 --> 01:21:34.146 [SPEAKER_01]: The staves, how thick would they generally be? 01:21:34.247 --> 01:21:35.908 [SPEAKER_02]: Every one of them is a little bit different. 01:21:36.409 --> 01:21:37.490 [SPEAKER_02]: In the heads are different too. 01:21:37.530 --> 01:21:43.936 [SPEAKER_02]: So like you really, you're looking for, when you're cutting down the staves, well the staves are gonna be thicker. 01:21:44.037 --> 01:21:49.902 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're looking at, and I'm just assuming based on what I've used before, you're probably like three quarters of an inch, seven, eights maybe. 01:21:50.523 --> 01:21:55.207 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so like, under an inch, but not it's not it's always they're always thicker than half an inch. 01:21:55.327 --> 01:22:00.432 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's enough material in there that you can split them for sure, but they're yeah you do with the curves. 01:22:01.373 --> 01:22:08.279 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the heads are generally like three quarters of an inch, maybe three quarters of an inch because they they got a whole whatever's in there. 01:22:08.819 --> 01:22:10.361 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're not going to be super thin. 01:22:11.181 --> 01:22:13.744 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, $97 for barrel on by them. 01:22:14.424 --> 01:22:17.087 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, you're just going to budget your time to kind of like. 01:22:17.730 --> 01:22:25.870 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, it's like it's like a butchering a fish and you don't want to lose any of the you know, losing the meat, you know, that's what I said all done. 01:22:26.151 --> 01:22:26.332 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:22:26.704 --> 01:22:30.767 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I definitely, I'm all in a, I'm all in a barrel. 01:22:30.807 --> 01:22:45.597 [SPEAKER_02]: If it's that the price is right, especially if people like the idea, for these, for these steak knives I did, I didn't use barrel oak because I didn't have any and the idea of processing it for the price we were doing and it wouldn't be possible. 01:22:45.997 --> 01:22:49.420 [SPEAKER_02]: So I said to him, we'll get oak, oak, and then we'll kind of like, 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:56.564 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he hit hit hit with the torch to kind of give it that vibe, but we're not we're not we're definitely not saying it's barrel oak. 01:22:57.625 --> 01:22:59.946 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, I don't know fair enough. 01:23:00.387 --> 01:23:08.772 [SPEAKER_01]: When when you did these knives, at the end of the haven't how did you shop in them so they're all uniform and they also stayed the same big news for you. 01:23:18.098 --> 01:23:20.360 [SPEAKER_02]: That they did a short documentary in the shop. 01:23:20.460 --> 01:23:25.423 [SPEAKER_02]: Carl's coming on to the full blast podcast of this coming week, and we're going to talk about it. 01:23:25.443 --> 01:23:26.383 [SPEAKER_02]: He did an awesome job. 01:23:26.423 --> 01:23:31.347 [SPEAKER_02]: It was an eight minute job on the shop and using Tormack, and it was a really fun documentary. 01:23:31.367 --> 01:23:32.307 [SPEAKER_02]: He did an awesome job. 01:23:32.848 --> 01:23:34.088 [SPEAKER_02]: But Tormack is great. 01:23:34.389 --> 01:23:37.631 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually used all my knives. 01:23:37.851 --> 01:23:40.653 [SPEAKER_02]: I used the Tormack, and I get the best results possible. 01:23:41.253 --> 01:23:44.495 [SPEAKER_02]: I know there are a lot of people who like to use belts and look. 01:23:44.675 --> 01:23:46.597 [SPEAKER_01]: I see it online, I see it. 01:23:46.697 --> 01:23:52.482 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great to see the dopey face in the thumbnail to see it. 01:23:52.522 --> 01:23:57.066 [SPEAKER_02]: That was like a week after the marathon, so that was my fittest. 01:23:57.786 --> 01:24:05.253 [SPEAKER_02]: I have totally dropped off the cliff since then, but I was just like, it was almost like if I dieted beforehand, it was perfect. 01:24:05.873 --> 01:24:07.875 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't you know who's fine. 01:24:08.215 --> 01:24:10.917 [SPEAKER_02]: But definitely go to tourmic.com or tourmic underscore sharpening. 01:24:11.457 --> 01:24:16.641 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't have done these sixty knives sharpen them razor blade sharp without it. 01:24:16.801 --> 01:24:17.982 [SPEAKER_02]: So tourmic underscore. 01:24:18.002 --> 01:24:18.222 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. 01:24:19.203 --> 01:24:20.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little bit of a video. 01:24:20.564 --> 01:24:22.525 [SPEAKER_01]: Some nice, nice comments underneath the videos. 01:24:22.585 --> 01:24:23.066 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh really? 01:24:23.646 --> 01:24:24.647 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see them. 01:24:24.667 --> 01:24:27.028 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's, somebody's slurry too. 01:24:27.068 --> 01:24:28.049 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you read some comments. 01:24:28.069 --> 01:24:28.970 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope some of them bad. 01:24:30.123 --> 01:24:32.783 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the first one is, those fucking hands. 01:24:32.843 --> 01:24:34.664 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he doesn't touch his kids with those hands. 01:24:35.384 --> 01:24:36.704 [SPEAKER_01]: No, you didn't write that. 01:24:36.724 --> 01:24:48.506 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 01:24:58.648 --> 01:25:00.809 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, and that, yeah. 01:25:01.329 --> 01:25:08.573 [SPEAKER_02]: Usually when you read YouTube comments, it's just like, that boy looked like he's going through the... Mrs. Feta 75, that one's from. 01:25:09.013 --> 01:25:10.674 [SPEAKER_01]: Mrs. Feta's hair. 01:25:11.115 --> 01:25:12.735 [SPEAKER_01]: Curly fader, like... 01:25:12.755 --> 01:25:13.936 [SPEAKER_02]: He's such a good husband. 01:25:14.176 --> 01:25:16.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank God. 01:25:16.918 --> 01:25:20.719 [SPEAKER_01]: And the other one says, the painting in Yorkshire, 10 room is incredible. 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:23.481 [SPEAKER_01]: The wave of knives is almost a pierce, like a school of fish. 01:25:23.521 --> 01:25:24.001 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 01:25:24.321 --> 01:25:24.782 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 01:25:24.802 --> 01:25:25.042 [SPEAKER_02]: Nice. 01:25:25.062 --> 01:25:27.103 [SPEAKER_02]: I did this painting back in the day. 01:25:27.683 --> 01:25:28.824 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't in the shop right now. 01:25:28.844 --> 01:25:30.025 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at it as we speak. 01:25:30.345 --> 01:25:32.187 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't know. 01:25:32.207 --> 01:25:34.229 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, the Carl's are really good. 01:25:34.249 --> 01:25:44.017 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I become very friendly with these guys and it really, I spent time on them in Sweden and they're just really, it's just one of the things about our sponsors is I really appreciate how 01:25:44.998 --> 01:26:07.957 [SPEAKER_02]: how good they all are like they're good people you know on the phone they're good people and it's like yeah it's it's just like the torment people when we went to Sweden they it was the white glove service i mean they they took us on these walking tours and they were just really terrific people sweets are amazing i mean they are really something else did we get out of here 01:26:09.207 --> 01:26:10.448 [SPEAKER_01]: Shall we talk a little bit? 01:26:10.548 --> 01:26:13.692 [SPEAKER_01]: OK, well, Morocco must still be in bed, I think. 01:26:14.052 --> 01:26:15.413 [SPEAKER_01]: So be in bed. 01:26:17.676 --> 01:26:20.979 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for those listening, one to point, Morocco's in bed. 01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:22.440 [SPEAKER_01]: We changed the times today. 01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:25.443 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's very early in the morning from Morocco, very, very early. 01:26:25.483 --> 01:26:27.766 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got a pass, he's got a pass. 01:26:28.506 --> 01:26:29.948 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all for listening. 01:26:30.028 --> 01:26:31.890 [SPEAKER_01]: We shall speak to you again next week. 01:26:32.310 --> 01:26:32.871 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. 01:26:35.092 --> 01:26:58.900 [SPEAKER_02]: have you been watching anything that video you sent of you eating in the cockpit of your of your of your but it really you literally are painting a very like a paradise situation it was a it was a beautiful place the food was terrible but yeah the place I was I can offer is beautiful yeah what I'm watching at the moment 01:27:00.679 --> 01:27:02.660 [SPEAKER_01]: Ted Lasso, there's a new season just started. 01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:03.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 01:27:04.761 --> 01:27:05.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Not yet. 01:27:05.782 --> 01:27:06.862 [SPEAKER_01]: There's only two episodes in. 01:27:07.062 --> 01:27:13.205 [SPEAKER_01]: It's Apple doing that thing with the drop in one episode a week, and it just feels old that already, you know. 01:27:14.046 --> 01:27:15.286 [SPEAKER_01]: What else we watched? 01:27:15.607 --> 01:27:19.929 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think I told you last week, you watched the Testaments, which is the handmade tail spin off. 01:27:20.653 --> 01:27:24.055 [SPEAKER_01]: which is brilliant, which is probably just as good as how it made his tail. 01:27:24.756 --> 01:27:26.657 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, that's it. 01:27:26.677 --> 01:27:28.838 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really, I've been a bit busy this way. 01:27:28.858 --> 01:27:30.019 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really been watching TV. 01:27:30.099 --> 01:27:32.180 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, what you into, what you're watching. 01:27:32.220 --> 01:27:34.202 [SPEAKER_02]: We watched, we watched. 01:27:34.282 --> 01:27:37.143 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a couple nights where there wasn't any baseball on in a lot. 01:27:37.183 --> 01:27:38.804 [SPEAKER_02]: Hillary and I went into watching this movie. 01:27:38.824 --> 01:27:40.445 [SPEAKER_02]: It was called The Spy Game. 01:27:40.465 --> 01:27:44.068 [SPEAKER_02]: There's an older movie with a Brad Pitt and Robert Redford. 01:27:44.648 --> 01:27:48.949 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, you know, you want to kill you, and you want to talk about two good-looking guys. 01:27:49.049 --> 01:27:53.330 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, yeah, it's like nobody wants to hear either one of your problems. 01:27:53.850 --> 01:28:06.672 [SPEAKER_02]: And the interesting thing is in the news is there's all this news about Brad Pitt that he is, he's decided that he's after seven years of being sober. 01:28:07.093 --> 01:28:07.673 [SPEAKER_02]: He's decided. 01:28:07.713 --> 01:28:08.573 [SPEAKER_02]: Back on the source. 01:28:09.693 --> 01:28:11.273 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I guess he did some interview. 01:28:11.293 --> 01:28:15.435 [SPEAKER_02]: I did some interview where he said that I guess he was suicidal. 01:28:16.175 --> 01:28:24.977 [SPEAKER_02]: He had like real, and I was turning my life and like, if this motherfucker's suicidal, not if I said the shit, the body's gonna be highly up. 01:28:25.157 --> 01:28:28.538 [SPEAKER_02]: If this dude's gonna be like, we're all fucked. 01:28:29.878 --> 01:28:35.960 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ, I mean, you gotta talk about like the if Jesus will waste, come on. 01:28:35.980 --> 01:28:36.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:28:37.181 --> 01:28:39.123 [SPEAKER_01]: He owns it on winery in Italy, doesn't he? 01:28:39.143 --> 01:28:45.349 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got this massive, like- I mean, you're going to talk about the guys at the world of the palm of his hand, Brad Pitt. 01:28:45.369 --> 01:28:45.489 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:28:45.609 --> 01:28:48.432 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, give me a break. 01:28:49.093 --> 01:28:59.543 [SPEAKER_02]: God, obviously, I'm being funny about it, but I thought about that, I was just like, God, if that's all I've ever, if anybody got met a lot of problems with this Brad Pitt, we're all screwed. 01:29:00.599 --> 01:29:19.870 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's this why he's going back to drinking is because he's you know why I don't I don't I the what do you think it's like being like a messy or Brad Pitt or one of these like You don't have to be like I'm not talking Elon Musk, you know guys two political you're talking about a guy who is a celebrity 01:29:20.370 --> 01:29:23.793 [SPEAKER_02]: who's got more money, they could stop working now. 01:29:24.073 --> 01:29:25.554 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't have to work anymore. 01:29:26.014 --> 01:29:28.556 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Messy's going to probably retire soon. 01:29:28.576 --> 01:29:30.338 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, how much more can he play? 01:29:31.058 --> 01:29:33.800 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got more money than he'll ever need in his life. 01:29:33.940 --> 01:29:34.681 [SPEAKER_02]: Same for Brad Pitt. 01:29:35.001 --> 01:29:41.266 [SPEAKER_02]: Brad Pitt's the most famous, if you were to say, give me the five famous actors in Hollywood. 01:29:41.686 --> 01:29:43.488 [SPEAKER_02]: Brad Pitt's going to be something like that, right? 01:29:44.288 --> 01:29:45.609 [SPEAKER_02]: See, you know, what? 01:29:46.710 --> 01:29:47.510 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you do? 01:29:47.630 --> 01:29:48.971 [SPEAKER_02]: What can't wins enough enough? 01:29:48.991 --> 01:29:52.472 [SPEAKER_02]: Why can't you just be like, you know what fuck this shit's time to evaporate? 01:29:53.653 --> 01:29:57.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, it's Yeah, why not read it? 01:29:57.374 --> 01:29:57.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not read it? 01:29:58.015 --> 01:29:58.895 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not read it? 01:29:59.175 --> 01:30:13.701 [SPEAKER_02]: And yet I have been I mean it's he's I don't know if he's still with anesthesia No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 01:30:15.942 --> 01:30:19.024 [SPEAKER_02]: But I wonder, I'm going to give you a scenario. 01:30:19.304 --> 01:30:27.650 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, you are Craig Lockwood, I'm giving you a billion dollars, a billion dollars right now. 01:30:28.330 --> 01:30:34.654 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you going to do with your rest of your life? 01:30:34.934 --> 01:30:38.157 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you need to, you should need to strive for something. 01:30:38.737 --> 01:30:40.218 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think you can just, I, 01:30:43.352 --> 01:30:50.275 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't just sit back around a pool for another sort of 30, 40 years, however long I've got left. 01:30:50.675 --> 01:30:51.575 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't do it. 01:30:52.275 --> 01:30:52.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, sorry. 01:30:52.856 --> 01:30:53.716 [SPEAKER_02]: You think you have 30 left? 01:30:53.776 --> 01:30:54.276 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, good. 01:30:54.596 --> 01:30:55.476 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, let's hope so. 01:30:55.536 --> 01:30:55.997 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 01:31:03.220 --> 01:31:10.062 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a weird thing, because you think like, OK, I'd buy a massive boat, and we just to the family, we just go around the world, sailing, and we'd see all the sides. 01:31:10.482 --> 01:31:11.842 [SPEAKER_01]: But you need to be grounded. 01:31:11.862 --> 01:31:13.183 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the kids just live in school. 01:31:13.223 --> 01:31:16.724 [SPEAKER_01]: They need to be granted, they need a base, they need to go to school. 01:31:17.304 --> 01:31:20.845 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not certainly not jetting around the world, not seeing my family. 01:31:21.005 --> 01:31:28.207 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think realistically, we look for a nice, big, beautiful house in my area. 01:31:32.899 --> 01:31:36.283 [SPEAKER_01]: material stuff, you know, he buying you car and, you know, the rest of it. 01:31:36.323 --> 01:31:37.865 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think you've still got to live your life. 01:31:37.945 --> 01:31:44.413 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, kids suddenly drop off the school and pick you know, and you, hey, for that, you can, you can put some of it. 01:31:44.453 --> 01:31:52.262 [SPEAKER_01]: But do you want to, I think that's that you'd regret that when you, you know, later down the line you think, you know, all those things that I should have been doing, I should have been doing. 01:31:53.118 --> 01:31:57.959 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I don't think life would change that much, but it would just, it would be hell of a lot more comfortable. 01:31:58.260 --> 01:32:01.540 [SPEAKER_01]: There'd be a lot more, yes, is the nose to the kids. 01:32:02.581 --> 01:32:04.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's right, it's right. 01:32:04.181 --> 01:32:05.882 [SPEAKER_02]: You want more chicken, sir? 01:32:06.002 --> 01:32:07.242 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's stop here, chicken. 01:32:07.402 --> 01:32:09.803 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's have some fun if you fucking write the Oscars farm. 01:32:11.324 --> 01:32:11.865 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 01:32:12.246 --> 01:32:14.149 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 01:32:14.189 --> 01:32:17.113 [SPEAKER_01]: We would have a farm before you know it. 01:32:17.574 --> 01:32:22.801 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a farm to zoo, to sanctuary, to wild preserve. 01:32:23.763 --> 01:32:24.344 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 01:32:24.724 --> 01:32:25.025 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:32:25.745 --> 01:32:38.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, yeah, I would definitely do like I would definitely billion dollars I'm having a few studios or few shops in different parts of the world I have a place nice kind of tropical area. 01:32:38.775 --> 01:32:50.263 [SPEAKER_02]: I would you I know exactly to I know exactly how I want I want a painting studio so bad and some day I'll have it and I know exactly how it's gonna look and exactly how it's gonna look 01:32:50.743 --> 01:33:08.974 [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine a big rectangular room with skylights and then giant walls where all the easels are going to all the paintings are going to be on the walls and then I'm going to have this one big center console table with a slap sink in it and there's going to be different paint 01:33:09.694 --> 01:33:12.555 [SPEAKER_02]: and perishes all over the center island. 01:33:13.115 --> 01:33:15.836 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just going to be going from painting to painting to painting. 01:33:15.876 --> 01:33:25.538 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to be working on ten of the time, and they're going to be in series, and I just, I already, in my mind, I know what my ultimate, and I'm going to take some fucking painting. 01:33:25.798 --> 01:33:27.958 [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm a billionaire, I'm taking some painting classes. 01:33:28.459 --> 01:33:29.599 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking a lot of paintings. 01:33:29.619 --> 01:33:32.580 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hire people to come in to teach me painting. 01:33:33.200 --> 01:33:34.180 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to be a painter again. 01:33:34.460 --> 01:33:42.110 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing, you could like from the best and whatever you wanted to know, you'd get the best in the world to come and teach you, and it could be amazing, couldn't it? 01:33:42.190 --> 01:33:44.273 [SPEAKER_02]: I've talked about Howard Stern for years. 01:33:44.333 --> 01:33:45.595 [SPEAKER_02]: He's unbelievable. 01:33:45.615 --> 01:33:47.557 [SPEAKER_02]: You're one of the greatest broadcasts of all time. 01:33:47.598 --> 01:33:49.180 [SPEAKER_02]: He's probably a billionaire by now. 01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:52.301 [SPEAKER_02]: He has spent his off time for years. 01:33:52.621 --> 01:33:55.562 [SPEAKER_02]: He ended up hiring teachers. 01:33:56.303 --> 01:34:01.425 [SPEAKER_02]: He is one of the most, he is extraordinarily good painter. 01:34:02.045 --> 01:34:06.927 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's because he focused his time in his energy and his dedication for years and years and years. 01:34:07.367 --> 01:34:12.731 [SPEAKER_02]: He's done the cover of magazines, and he's really, really, really talented. 01:34:13.111 --> 01:34:26.961 [SPEAKER_02]: So you're talking about a guy who's got all the money in the world, and then they don't, they want to do something with their lives, and he's practicing guitar, he's learning to be better guitarist, but he's taken his money and invested in himself. 01:34:27.741 --> 01:34:30.504 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's gotten to the point where he's like a world-class painter. 01:34:31.245 --> 01:34:36.010 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, really that is something that like, that's a person with money. 01:34:36.270 --> 01:34:37.151 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you would do. 01:34:37.191 --> 01:34:38.572 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I would try to do is like, 01:34:39.608 --> 01:34:42.770 [SPEAKER_01]: Fine, so I'd probably be more like Brad Pitt and just just get on the booze. 01:34:43.431 --> 01:34:44.171 [SPEAKER_02]: There we go. 01:34:44.191 --> 01:34:46.152 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we're on again, baby. 01:34:46.513 --> 01:34:47.293 [SPEAKER_02]: We're on a bit of a baby. 01:34:47.313 --> 01:34:50.215 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be such a drink and you guys can't get much better than that. 01:34:50.675 --> 01:34:52.577 [SPEAKER_02]: We are Night Talk podcast. 01:34:52.597 --> 01:34:56.299 [SPEAKER_02]: You can go to Night Talk podcast and Instagram, send us your questions, send us anything you want. 01:34:56.319 --> 01:35:01.302 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll read it off and what do we all say when we're leaving, right? 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