[SPEAKER_01]: Well, one of the visual insiders happy Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Adam Weiner, joined as always by fan sighted MLB Insider Robert Murray.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Robert, what have I started this show by being like, man, have you ever seen anything like Joshua Bias's MLB debut before?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the answer is no, you have not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll just answer that question for you and move on and talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because what the hell was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to talk about one of the more remarkable slices of baseball history.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have ever seen plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: The playoff field just keeps getting weirder in the NL and AL, crowded in the National League, the Philly's wake up after the field of dreams game in the AL, we've got just a whole hideous mess.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that same six-way tie it was over the weekend, but there's an under 500 team hanging out in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: All it takes in the American League is to go like 5 and 1, just to like have a couple of good series.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right back in the mix, the disappointing Blue Jays.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you sold off at the Deadline,
[SPEAKER_01]: You are still heavily involved in the American League playoff mix.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why maybe every team should have sold, but Robert, welcome back from vacation in an undisclosed location.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk ball.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, let's do the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to disclose the location.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in Vancouver, Canada, and then I was also in Whistler, Canada.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm no longer there, so I feel safe mentioning that it was incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was everything that I needed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I disconnected, but the only thing that I did see while it was gone was Joshua Bias's MLB debut.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're going to be talking about that here in a whole bit, but it Holy smokes was at Bakers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely crazy, but we have an absolute time to talk about them all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously trading that line is over, still plenty to talk about between bias, the managerial carousel, which has some movement here, so that could be kind of interesting and some other stuff happening around the league.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, good to be back with you here on the baseball and Saturdays Adam, how's it going?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good trade deadline over still moving at trade deadline speed though I kind of can't breathe yet, but maybe we'll get there someday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... you know who else could be this Joshua back to uh... i guess all this man does his homework uh... also shout out to blaze Jordan uh... he stole his teammate blaze Jordan's cleats for that game in those cleats are now going into the hall of fame so that's a tough blow somebody get blaze Jordan some cleats uh... bias and the cardinals certainly not eliminated we talk cardinals with Danny wexelman before his debut before the news rattled around
[SPEAKER_01]: home run in each of the first three episodes that will be debut and the cards come out victorious Saturday and Sunday at Wrigley Field to make a little statement and I'm sure their rivals did not enjoy being victims to that insanity thoughts on the bias thing which is again that one of the craziest just you will you can go 150 years in baseball though will still be things you've never seen before and we'll never see again
[SPEAKER_01]: thoughts on the prospect, you know, when you heard he was getting called up, you've thoughts on that, and then obviously now things have shifted a little bit the ceiling, for at least what kind of impact he can have as a little bit higher.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like immediately when he got called up, it was thinking that, okay, another big piece of this puzzle for this Cardinals future is about to make his debut, because they've been having visions of him and his power specifically joined in Jordan Walker and JJ Weatherhold to that lab.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody could have ever expected three homers in a single game, let alone in his debut in the first three at bats.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was craziness.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it like, I'm not kidding.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, people, when I was in Canada, we're mentioning this Joshua by his debut, it was absolutely bonkers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it took the entire sports league by by storm.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like I was having this debate with some people,
[SPEAKER_00]: is what tops it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the guy having four homers in his debut?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a picture having like a perfect game?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what exactly tops that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's just so unheard of.
[SPEAKER_00]: like for a debut.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it props to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And further underscores exactly where this Cardinals team is now and going forward is they're ascending.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're over 500 still.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they are a team that this is not could be the year they end up making this big splash in the postseason.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a high-end bloom has got them in a really good spot right now to
[SPEAKER_00]: like to keep building going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he handled the trade deadline really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It made some smaller moves, nothing overly substantial.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Dustin May trade, also with Jojo or Marragon, the Burrers, being the biggest one there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's clear he's building it with intention.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they add a little bit more of this offseason, but I think in the future there'll be adding more, but the core that they have between bias, weather, hold, and Jordan Walker.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a really strong foundation.
[SPEAKER_00]: air up in the Cardinals, but I do not expect biased to have three homers or possibly that much in every game for the rest of his career.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless if he does, that he might be the new Barry Bauds.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he does, we'll be talking about him a lot more on this show, I think, and probably boon moaning and mist trade deadline opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why enjoy reinforced bias in the line of, I mean, good for the car on first taken by Jordan Walker to make sure he is part of that core that you're talking about instead of cutting bait when they maybe could have last season.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are still a notch below the likely NL playoff teams even after this infusion of talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like
[SPEAKER_01]: Behind the cubs who I'm gonna put in my playoff field.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it seems like three teams for two spots It seems like we've got the fillies and we've got the podraise and we've got the diamond backs with the marlins and cards just behind It almost impossible to handicap at this point, but do you have thoughts on maybe which of those three teams?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's say the fillies dbacks and podraise are the most likely teams to fill out those two spots Which of those three do you feel like lags behind the other two a little bit?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's most likely to fall out
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think as currently constructed, we have the the Cubs, you have the fillers and you're at the podries and my feeling is that is probably going to end up with it being those three teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's pretty active, climatic for the team for people who end up wanting like the hunter dog to get into this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you look at the Cubs, they're in a really good spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got a five-game lead in the wildcarb race and then Philadelphia, they are a team where
[SPEAKER_00]: They added big of the deadline, the Galoisarize.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's been kind of up and down, but still.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he is, I was my favorite move with the deadline, and he's going to be a really big piece for that lot of going forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex Bowen finally showing some signs of life here as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also a very good thing for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Philly is a team that considering just their overall talent base is just such a dangerous team to face and it's going to be battle tester for these kind of stretches coming down the field or coming down the season here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me they're definitely in a spot where they're going to be in there going to be in a good spot to advance here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the San Diego Padres, this is a team in particular, I really wanted to mention here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved what they did at the deadline and it's why I was throwing so much cold water on this Mason Miller buzz that was happening weeks off from the deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's teams were asking about Mason Miller, but the podries were never in a hurry whatsoever to move him.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were, I don't want to say, adamant, but it seemed like they were just pretty, pretty set and holding on to them unless they got that godfather offer that just would prompt them to absolutely just take it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to keep Miller and they wanted to add this to this foundation that they have and they ended up getting to like really nice pieces of the rotation both rentals But you're seeing some of these star players for them really kind of doing their thing jacks and maril Is remarkable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely love everything that he stands for.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's exactly what the poverty is
[SPEAKER_00]: envision him being when they ended up like adding him at a young age and then extending him to but I think that's a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would not be surprised if we see the San Diego Padres not only make the postseason but go on a deep postseason run.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that's an overreaction or not but I you look at that team you have
[SPEAKER_00]: That offense obviously it's been not what they had hoped for the season, but they have the pieces there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have added that pitching staff and kept that bullpen intact.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the ingredients to possibly make around here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I am watching for you San Diego Padres because they are my DARPA's team to win it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were predicting World Series outcomes in the discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you were throwing a little pixie dust behind people who were going with pod rays and rays hanging out there in the World Series mix.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also too, like me, not including the Diamondbacks in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like doesn't mean I dislike them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they are a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know is a fact that there's teams out there who are hoping that the Diamondbacks don't get in because their brand of baseball is an incredibly tough thing to face in a postseason race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because they're so.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's they're so difficult to face because they put pressure on you They just they played baseball at a really high level and they play really hard for a guy like Tory Lapello And I know there's like speaking of not or speaking of playing hard But we saw with with Ramos in New York that was another thing that I saw in in Camada where he didn't run out that grounded of the short stop That was that was no boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not the rub salt in that wound at him, but
[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly the opposite of what you see from the Diamondbacks, and they're really pesky team.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're really fun, but I just think those other three teams have a better chance of not only advancing, but possibly making Ron out of for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Michael Scott said, rooting for a team that hustle seems like fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to be a part of that one day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it would be nice to be a part of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Alec Bomes, since the field of dreams game, by the way, to a five hit game in Minnesota and then a five nothing deficit come back when that he helped.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a major part of seven for nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I still, um, the comment saying the Dodgers could be right for the picking.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you always overreact a Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_01]: regular season slumps.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're properly reacting to this one, and I hinted at this on previous shows too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been all about the cubs for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they had more starting pitching and making me more comfortable with that potential proclamation.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I don't know if I believe in the fillies per se making a long postseason run.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the podgeries being able to agitate the Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like, uh, of course, I like the cubs being able to agitate the Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the brewers gave them enough of the scare of this weekend to give them second thoughts about the postseason.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did that during last regular season, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was just too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, we know we know, but, um, I think, uh, it's, it's funny because there was a tweet going around that was basically like, look at all of these giant contracts performing terribly for the Dodgers and yet they've still managed to weather the storm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people look at that and say, well, that's the problem with the Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they never let those huge contracts get in the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, even so, I mean, that is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you still shouldn't have all of these prominent player playing so poorly and be able to cakewalk to the world series.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they will be able to unless they get a turnaround from a couple of these guys like Kyle Tucker who this weekend finally asked out of playing home games and then dropped a fly ball and right field in the ninth inning out of Edwin Diaz who's been unworkable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dave Roberts saying, who else do I got?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you've got more guys or the Dodgers, but I mean, yeah, these are two offices and acquisitions that cost $100 million that are giving you next to nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So scruble, snow, glass now, if you come back, Yamamoto, you know, if if healthy, they can throw the world at you and they'll be very difficult to beat and they're playoff tested.
[SPEAKER_01]: but they're also run down by round after round of postseason and like the comments are saying, not that young.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the I thought last year they were getable and they were trailing in the 9th inning of game 7 of the world series.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this year they're getable.
[SPEAKER_01]: The question is just anybody have what it takes to go ahead and get them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely think there's a team that's out there that can go out and get them whether it's the brewers, whether it's the cubs who are a lot better after the deadline here for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not ruling out the potters doing their thing here and possibly eliminating the Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many different possibilities that are out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, oh, this is, this is the take that I've had for a while, and I've said it to people around, like, people that I'm close to, and I've gotten push back on it a lot, but I think the daughters are good for baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good to have a villain that's out there, where everyone's going for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen it in other sports too, whether it's been the New England Patriots or whether it's been the Golden State Warriors, and
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you have a team that's so loaded, it makes it more exciting to watch just for the idea of them possibly being eliminated, but also just watching just such an elite brand of baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen it the last couple of years here for the Dodgers, and after the end of doing what they didn't get in school, getting Tucker getting D.S., that target got even bigger on them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not invincible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like as you said, they're beatable for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why games are not played on paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why they're played on the field because you never know what can go out and happen here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every team is going to give the daughters their best chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think the daughters despite this stretch are the team to beat because we've mentioned it on this podcast before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll say it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: You wonder if the daughter's co-sting is not the right word, but once they end up getting to October or once they end up getting deep into the regular season here,
[SPEAKER_00]: You wonder if like things start to change for them and just you start to see their overall level of play, just increase, but I genuinely think they are the team to beat, but they are very beatable, more so than they have been in years past and I would not be surprised as I said if the birds did it, the potter is dead or whoever else did it, but
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be one of the most fascinating ones in, or fascinating postseason races in quite a long time because it could end up making that debate of the Dodgers running baseball, even louder going into the CBN negotiations, or it could be like, oh, wow, like they're actually got defeated.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually could be
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be pretty crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad just texted me who was watching the show and he said, the daughters are not good for baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're nuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, another person close to me is pushing back on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that they're good for baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the spending is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also gives incentive to other teams to possibly go out and do it here as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, not everyone can do it at the level of the daughters.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, they're beatable and I'm rambling.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I genuinely think this is the year where I could see them going down.
[SPEAKER_01]: sources close to Robert Murray who are not anonymous, say that the Dodgers are actually bad for baseball and Robert's take is bad for baseball discourse as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I think I think too many people have been treating the Dodgers as an inevitability.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this postseason is going to be fascinating like you said.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there is a chance that they emerge from it then nationally, again, can't be ruled out and they are currently the favorites for a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that they're going to be getting solid shots in every round.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of America should be rooting for them to fall into the best of three wild cart ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that is good for baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should be the Division winner with the third best record.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's see the escape that gauntlet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if they can go all the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a reason we're all talking about NL teams that have a chance to get them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a whole, it's a mud puddle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on in the American League.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Elliot Ramos in his lack of hustle isn't the one spot in the wild card.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Boston Red Sox are two and seven in their last nine and they're still in that number two spot solidly.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one is challenging them as of yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Behind them is the Baltimore Orioles.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got the Jay's, all of a sudden, an inch out of the playoffs, the Guardians, that there's even the Mariners season as ended nine times and they're like three games out of a playoffs spot right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: they beat the Astros on Sunday night baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: They always seem to go to Houston and play well.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did it again this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: After a disastrous opening game where Munoz blows the game, they come back and have two, you know, stirring winds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think the Tigers are in their course there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The twins are in there as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this is great for baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to talk about things that aren't aren't great for baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's great having a much as 60 and 64 teams all battling out for a playoffs spot I don't think it's great that just you basically need a good week and you're in the a.l.
[SPEAKER_01]: playoff field which is why like you know again what are the blue jays do to get in here they sold to the deadline they continue to struggle
[SPEAKER_01]: It took three out of four from the Red Sox and two out of three from the Yankees.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now one of the most disappointing season, Vlad doesn't have a home run at home this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their fans have been disappointed all year.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're having no fun and they're like an inch out of the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's great for baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we want belief heading into the playoffs, not disbelief that your team ended up tripping their way into the field.
[SPEAKER_01]: But...
[SPEAKER_01]: What sense do you make out of this crowded non-sense?
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like every team in that group has had their moment and fallen back the tigers, their run differential, insinuates, they should be the best of that group, but they've certainly had their moments, they fell back this week, and the white socks took care of them at Comerica.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't make heads of tails of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Orioles, the latest team of sell-off, and now the occupying of those these spot, what are your thoughts on this cluster?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this American League has made no sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: This entire season, and it remains making no sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that I'm removed from being in Canada, I was thinking maybe we can have in some sort of some clarity here or could end up making more sense and somehow it makes even less sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have, I never expected that the Baltimore Orioles would be in this position after moving at the Ruchman and after moving Taylor Ward.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it could end up being a case where,
[SPEAKER_00]: could have the Josh Hater effect of what happened with the burrs as they were like kind of close to it and then just faded off after making such moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the last here they are, they're actually occupying a spot, but do I believe that they're ultimately going to make it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm relatively skeptical at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I much more optimistic here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, about the Yankees and the Red Soxus chances, which, again, the Red Soxus bounce back and what they've done is totally remarkable here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at the rest of it, you have the Texas Rangers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although, they got some stuff going on with the rotation now, with both of you, of all the injectorograms.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, the big question mark there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Blue Jays, as you said, the fact that Vlad Jr has in it a home run at home this season,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the chances of that were going into the season, but I have never in a million years would have expected that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Tigers, even after moving schoolable in case he might as a continual linger in this, they're only a game out of it, so I'm definitely not rolling them up by any means, despite this most recent series against the Chicago White Sox.
[SPEAKER_00]: then you have the twins not overly optimistic about them, but I'm looking at the both guardians here and the marries because if you look at the guardians are only a game and a half back, the mariner's are only a two and a half games back and this was like even before like around the trade deadline, this was regarded as one of the most disappointing mariner's regular seasons in quite a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were that close to going to the World Series last year and then all of a sudden they end up just having a really bad start to the season here And we've seen some whispers here recently about the potential fate of Dan Wilson their manager will get into that here in a little bit But what we know can save him though will be this the Mariners possibly going on the deposes and laundry actually advancing to the postseason
[SPEAKER_00]: They have pieces for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: They added at the deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like what they did getting telewords specifically, but they need to give back into gear here.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the talent to do so, but it's a totally fascinating one and I would not be surprised though, if we end up seeing them.
[SPEAKER_00]: ultimately making it and maybe making some noise because that American League is wide open.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also we have some news here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Starling Martae designated for a sign of the Kansas City Royals.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be trade rumours just inform you of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Starling Martae is no longer a Kansas City Royale.
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of weeks if you want to get onto a playoff roster, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am, yeah, this American League play a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think nothing would be more emblematic than if the Mariners
[SPEAKER_01]: in the 50th season of Mariners baseball, through one of their fans where they very similar rise to the one that happened in 95 that arguably saved baseball in Seattle that just insane sprint they catch the California Angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go on in the ALCS, this close dude, Fancing Pass Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would enjoy that personally, because right now I'm not inspired by any of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see a team in that final AL playoffs spot with an actual representative record.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you get into that final AL playoffs spot,
[SPEAKER_01]: you go on the road to face a division champion with sort of a less than impressive record.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of having to battle out with either the Yankees or Red Sox in the wildcard around as things currently stand, you get the three seated division champ.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not a bad path if that happens to be you and you happen to be wildcard three.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the American League.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do the hot seat stuff, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course we got a close on this because like you said Scott service.
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly one of the players of the managers mentioned on the managerial hot seat with these, um, or sorry, Dan Wilson.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was just going to be like, wait, is he now in the bottom?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Scott got cooked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Scott actually is his goose already cooked.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been dismissing out of her the managers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dan Wilson is one of the managers on this hotseepop night and get a sort of going back and forth on what it would take for certain managers to be dismissed or hold on to their jobs Dan Wilson is long run in trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe is a lot of the astros reportedly in a degree of trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tori Lavello, like you mentioned, it's on the, I mean, not in your projected playoff field.
[SPEAKER_01]: But apparently, in trouble, and may not retain that position, and may not get a new contract if the Diamondbacks do not make the postseason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got the fillies who, you know, look, we all were saying, don't madingly stopgap, you know, it's been nice, what it turned around.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna take a crazy turn around for maybe he doesn't even want the job, then he does say he does want it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex Coro, we thought we might take the job midseason, but he'd rather relax too much to think about at that point in time that Whip Lash, who's going right from the Red Sox to the Fillies, was hard to reconcile.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's never left the periphery of that job, and it now does seem like it's his job, unless madingly goes to the world series, maybe even has to win the world series, because if he does win the world series, he'd get rid of him, Alex Corre will find work somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, those are really the names that are at the top of this hot seat discussion, curious your thoughts on that whole mess of moving chairs, and if you've heard anything else on any other managers that should or should not be worried.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, so I'll start with with David and Browsky like I firmly expect him to be the guy still going going forward with Philadelphia and I'd be really surprised if an extension did not happen there like that just seems.
[SPEAKER_00]: But luck is almost, is how I describe that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's given it to be in a guy there going forward and Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tori Lavello should absolutely not be in the hot seat in Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: His relationship with Mike Hayes and the GM in Arizona is extremely strong and the command that Tori Lavello has of that clubhouse is extremely impressive and he's loved by his players there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The proof is in the pudding for what he's done in Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the camp that he's probably going to stay and he's another one.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he ends up getting let go, let's say Alex Corra goes to Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Torre Levello would be a tremendous fit for the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be immediately I would have, like he's got experience being on the East Coast there with the Boston Red Sox.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have him, like the meds need a veteran voice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would imagine the Levello with meds noise would be quite loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: If Levello ever did Gileco by Arizona, but again, I am not expecting that here whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he stays, and then the other two, Joe Spada and Dan Wilson.
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely think their seats are toasty at this point, especially Gileco Joe Spada, because this Astro's team, I believe Dana Brown is also on an
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say the Astros and I'm making the, or making the posts is getting eliminated right away, or they just miss it all together, there's probably going to be a scapegoat at some point, and I want to imagine that a spoto would probably be the guy there, so I think a spoto is definitely
[SPEAKER_00]: on thin ice in Houston, but what can save him here is is advancing to the postseason, but also making a run here as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dan Wilson too.
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been an incredibly disappointing season for the marries, like they need to get in high gear because they have been in danger almost the entire season of just missing the postseason all together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And somehow they're still within a couple games here of advancing, which are of being into the postseason where I should say, which is absolutely remarkable to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they miss it, there's going to be somebody here who has to be held accountable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I cannot imagine it's going to be Jerry Depoto.
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot imagine it's going to be Justin Hollander.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the next best candidate would be Dan Wilson.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at that team,
[SPEAKER_00]: you have such a talent a roster you have great pitching that is going to be an extremely desirable job the only thing that would be difficult for the Mariners is luring one of those top candidates when you're going to have Philadelphia and you're also going to have the Matt's bidding as each other for the top guys so they might have to settle for the third mess candidate if they did make a move but that is a job where
[SPEAKER_00]: they can, they're going to have a lot of people very intrigued by that one, but I all eyes at this point, they'll remain on both filly and the, and the mats because those two jobs are going to be incredibly coveted by people across baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: A comment saying, and let's see, he's going on a longer and air and Boone will be gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, not like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Boone should not be like, no, like give that out of your head, Brian Cashman too, like get that stuff out of your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a classic case.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've said it before with other jobs, especially at Tori Lavello, you don't know what you got until it's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, you should not be wanting those two to go because it could be much, much worse than those two.
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