WEBVTT 00:01.165 --> 00:05.372 [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, I'm Professor Beckstra, and I'm Professor Erick Bronson, and this is new. 00:20.528 --> 00:34.160 [SPEAKER_01]: Put on your new shoes because it's time to get up off your chair And give the news without a case, it's the news You watch your wedding news because it's the prison news 00:47.655 --> 00:50.496 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, hey, Aloha, greetings, comrades. 00:51.416 --> 00:56.718 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Prison Breakdown, podcast, where we talk prisons, we talk jails. 00:58.219 --> 00:59.999 [SPEAKER_03]: We talk slugs, we talk snails, baby. 01:00.959 --> 01:06.581 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want that to be like a new, it's that gonna be some new slogan for us or something. 01:06.601 --> 01:08.422 [SPEAKER_04]: We need to get shirts made up that say that. 01:09.133 --> 01:12.415 [SPEAKER_03]: No, but I'm thinking like we need to we need to tag at the beginning of the program. 01:12.435 --> 01:13.696 [SPEAKER_03]: So people know what they're listening to. 01:13.756 --> 01:15.217 [SPEAKER_03]: Like like you hear prison break down you. 01:15.397 --> 01:16.918 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, is it all about prison breaks? 01:17.098 --> 01:18.840 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's about other stuff, too. 01:19.120 --> 01:19.600 [SPEAKER_03]: Like news. 01:20.441 --> 01:21.361 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like news. 01:23.343 --> 01:24.583 [SPEAKER_04]: Prison news, but news. 01:24.703 --> 01:25.684 [SPEAKER_03]: Prison news. 01:26.144 --> 01:29.186 [SPEAKER_03]: And have we got some news for you guys today? 01:30.908 --> 01:37.292 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to start with a smaller story out of the state that Eric Bronson calls home. 01:38.992 --> 02:02.347 [SPEAKER_03]: Broda, I say to go, hi, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 02:07.202 --> 02:08.883 [SPEAKER_03]: Is this a thing that people say about Ohio? 02:09.003 --> 02:13.706 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah, even people leave all the stupid shit about Ohio. 02:15.047 --> 02:20.009 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, like, people there are good high and there's a butt to the state like that. 02:20.029 --> 02:20.810 [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no. 02:20.910 --> 02:25.292 [SPEAKER_04]: It just has two, you know, O's at the beginning and the end. 02:25.492 --> 02:27.834 [SPEAKER_04]: And then the word, hi, in the middle. 02:28.114 --> 02:33.757 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my, oh, yeah, yeah, she how creative they are. 02:34.097 --> 02:35.438 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's, I mean, 02:37.757 --> 02:39.098 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, that's a big one. 02:39.558 --> 02:40.499 [SPEAKER_03]: It's exhausting. 02:40.699 --> 02:41.540 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't see why you left. 02:44.102 --> 02:45.843 [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds like someone's favorite level. 02:45.983 --> 02:46.804 [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely different. 02:46.944 --> 02:47.904 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, exactly. 02:48.545 --> 02:49.886 [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing, but think about that. 02:49.966 --> 02:52.388 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the state models is a dead joke. 02:53.468 --> 02:56.330 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was fucking swish right there. 02:59.213 --> 03:02.035 [SPEAKER_03]: But this week in Grafton, Ohio, 03:03.441 --> 03:07.664 [SPEAKER_03]: a lightning strike injured 19 people at the grafting correctional institution. 03:08.504 --> 03:11.566 [SPEAKER_03]: And at this point, two inmates remain hospitalized. 03:12.446 --> 03:13.827 [SPEAKER_03]: And what does it expect to go home soon? 03:13.947 --> 03:18.170 [SPEAKER_03]: But is the other one is staying for a bit in stable condition? 03:19.591 --> 03:22.953 [SPEAKER_03]: So, it's, uh, there's lightning strikes. 03:23.633 --> 03:24.434 [SPEAKER_03]: That's wild. 03:24.554 --> 03:28.156 [SPEAKER_03]: People don't ever expect that unless there's a crazy storm, but there wasn't. 03:30.421 --> 03:58.285 [SPEAKER_03]: The outdoor courtyard at the prison at the Grafton correctional institution was initially closed last Tuesday for bad weather and then then they believed to clear it up and so they said, all right, you guys going outside the weather quickly turns into a thunderstorm and officials actually released surveillance video showing the moment of this lightning strike and people are like running away from this moment where it's happening from where it's hitting and. 04:00.623 --> 04:08.606 [SPEAKER_03]: One lieutenant said that lightning started up again and he's yelling at inmates run for cover and he noticed like three guys were knocked on conscious after being struck. 04:09.727 --> 04:20.531 [SPEAKER_03]: All three were revived through CPR and at least one of them suffered some burns on his chest and legs and in total 16 incarcerated individuals were taken to various hospitals. 04:21.151 --> 04:23.112 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, another three retreated at the prison. 04:24.413 --> 04:24.693 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 04:26.058 --> 04:35.644 [SPEAKER_03]: So it is a protocol calls for the closing of outdoor prison grounds due to stormy weather like in a case like this when you think it's cleared up. 04:36.965 --> 04:39.466 [SPEAKER_03]: Guess what you still got to watch out for lightning guys. 04:39.666 --> 04:45.310 [SPEAKER_03]: So we hope that the afflicted individuals get well soon. 04:45.330 --> 04:45.930 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 04:47.598 --> 04:50.839 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a little bit of interesting prison news. 04:51.019 --> 04:57.842 [SPEAKER_03]: The news is full of like, it's always just like sex abuse in prisons or rape a sentence to 20 years, that kind of thing. 04:58.062 --> 05:02.183 [SPEAKER_03]: And we need a little bit of something else. 05:02.724 --> 05:03.764 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's something to use it. 05:05.044 --> 05:10.586 [SPEAKER_04]: I actually have family members who's there in laws work at that prison. 05:10.666 --> 05:14.648 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to have to reach out to them and say, hey, what the heck were you there when this happened? 05:15.465 --> 05:16.446 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, was this your fault? 05:18.747 --> 05:19.907 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you have something to do with this? 05:22.208 --> 05:23.429 [SPEAKER_04]: Sounds like a conspiracy. 05:24.229 --> 05:24.529 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 05:28.591 --> 05:30.552 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's the best news I got out of Ohio. 05:31.233 --> 05:31.453 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 05:32.013 --> 05:36.415 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, the best news out of Ohio is the fight of Beaverton, Ohio. 05:37.656 --> 05:43.499 [SPEAKER_04]: And Beaver, mini-mart, and what they're doing against that horrible corporation Bucky's right now, they are. 05:44.574 --> 05:45.615 [SPEAKER_04]: fighting again. 05:45.695 --> 05:46.255 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm familiar. 05:46.275 --> 05:47.556 [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us a little bit about this. 05:48.197 --> 05:58.024 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, this came to light because of John Oliver and his, what is it called last, no, it's, is it last week tonight? 05:58.484 --> 06:03.228 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, last week tonight where he, he highlighted that Bucky's, which, 06:04.287 --> 06:16.799 [SPEAKER_04]: to be honest, I loved because when you're on a long road trip, going across, you know, milla nowhere and the south and you see this huge gas station. 06:18.128 --> 06:28.238 [SPEAKER_04]: with a wonderful convenience store and they actually make fresh food there and some really good and the world's cleanest bathrooms. 06:28.658 --> 06:36.485 [SPEAKER_04]: You find out, this is a billion dollar corporation here that owns this now, they've gotten so big. 06:37.426 --> 06:38.767 [SPEAKER_04]: They are going after, 06:40.136 --> 06:52.342 [SPEAKER_04]: small castations, convenience stores, anything that might have a mascot or logo that looks anything like their beaver. 06:53.222 --> 06:59.365 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he highlighted this situation where they went after a store that had a moose. 07:00.510 --> 07:02.591 [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, they're going after the little guy. 07:02.611 --> 07:05.432 [SPEAKER_04]: That's 100% what they're doing is going after the little guy. 07:05.872 --> 07:11.194 [SPEAKER_04]: And obviously, you know, these small business owners can't compete with Bucky's. 07:12.535 --> 07:18.577 [SPEAKER_04]: And they, you know, they fold in court or they go under. 07:19.697 --> 07:26.180 [SPEAKER_04]: And so they went after this, you know, he, so John Oliver presented this news piece. 07:26.300 --> 07:28.881 [SPEAKER_04]: And since he's done that, Bucky's went after another. 07:29.967 --> 07:42.338 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, convenience store, this one and beaver tin Ohio, and they're trying to say that the beaver that they have on their store, um, and is copyright infringement. 07:42.539 --> 07:49.105 [SPEAKER_04]: And so that's all that they're doing is going after the mascots and copyright infringement and, you know, scaring hell out of these people. 07:49.145 --> 07:54.149 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just, it's, you know, it's another example of people being greedy, horrible corporations. 07:54.169 --> 07:54.910 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just being awful. 07:56.728 --> 07:58.930 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's not like they own the right to an animal. 07:59.510 --> 08:00.531 [SPEAKER_03]: That's so bizarre. 08:00.971 --> 08:03.913 [SPEAKER_03]: It all the animals, like a beaver in a moose, or nothing alike. 08:04.234 --> 08:05.134 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right. 08:05.395 --> 08:17.083 [SPEAKER_04]: And now if you watch this bit, you'll see, you know, it's just ridiculous and all that they're doing is going in and throwing their weight around because they know other people can't afford the court costs and attorneys to fight them. 08:18.244 --> 08:19.345 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, it's scare tactics. 08:19.825 --> 08:21.947 [SPEAKER_03]: Right, that is a real dick move. 08:22.407 --> 08:23.969 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, come on. 08:25.460 --> 08:26.941 [SPEAKER_04]: But we're not the only gas station. 08:27.481 --> 08:37.065 [SPEAKER_04]: But what's great is that seen pictures recently of the Bucky's in Ohio and the parking lot and the gas pumps are empty. 08:37.165 --> 08:38.126 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's working. 08:38.286 --> 08:42.227 [SPEAKER_04]: People, you know, this boycott of this monster corporation is working. 08:42.268 --> 08:45.609 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how long they would people would need to do this. 08:46.409 --> 08:51.211 [SPEAKER_04]: But I want to encourage other people around the country, that you know, boycott Bucky's. 08:51.311 --> 08:52.872 [SPEAKER_04]: I understand it's a great gas station, 08:55.745 --> 08:58.987 [SPEAKER_03]: Boycott Bucky's and start your own animal gas station. 08:59.548 --> 08:59.708 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 08:59.988 --> 09:19.062 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, so what John Oliver did is he started his own line of clothing called Buck Off with a squirrel that looks a lot like, you know, Beaver, and you can go on to his on to his merch page, which is BuckOff.com, and all the money raised from it goes to help feed feed America. 09:21.519 --> 09:22.060 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, all right. 09:22.320 --> 09:22.881 [SPEAKER_04]: This is cool. 09:23.001 --> 09:25.365 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm into it. 09:25.485 --> 09:26.126 [SPEAKER_03]: Question for you. 09:26.146 --> 09:27.387 [SPEAKER_03]: I just thought about this. 09:28.008 --> 09:29.270 [SPEAKER_03]: This question goes out to both of you. 09:31.914 --> 09:33.376 [SPEAKER_03]: Before we move on to more news. 09:34.539 --> 09:36.621 [SPEAKER_03]: How do you think you would handle being struck by lightning? 09:36.881 --> 09:38.203 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think you would make it through, okay? 09:38.423 --> 09:40.225 [SPEAKER_03]: I think I could handle being struck by lightning. 09:40.485 --> 09:44.689 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah, I think I, I'll get by this one. 09:44.709 --> 09:45.830 [SPEAKER_03]: No, maybe get a power. 09:46.090 --> 09:51.976 [SPEAKER_02]: No, if I get struck by lightning, it is a smite from a vengeful God. 09:53.497 --> 09:56.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so no, I'm going to go to war. 09:56.598 --> 10:02.241 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe in that, but if it's going to happen to me, that's why it's going to happen. 10:02.781 --> 10:09.204 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be because like, you know, the the evangelical god is real in once vengeance on me. 10:11.064 --> 10:12.405 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm I'm out. 10:12.585 --> 10:13.085 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm done. 10:13.245 --> 10:17.067 [SPEAKER_02]: If that happens to me, you toast literally here. 10:19.336 --> 10:26.819 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I just, I mean, if there's, if I could pick how I died, this is how I'd want to do it in the prison yard, too. 10:26.859 --> 10:27.600 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 10:27.640 --> 10:27.920 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 10:28.540 --> 10:29.761 [SPEAKER_04]: This is long. 10:30.281 --> 10:44.167 [SPEAKER_04]: If we're not taking a group of students through the prison, then yes, that would be, you know, for there doing some research or, you know, if they consulting or teaching or whatever, and walking across the yard and bam, I get, hey, that'd be, that'd be, that's the way to go. 10:44.728 --> 10:47.389 [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, it, 10:48.938 --> 10:55.087 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty certain about 10% percent of people who are struck and up dying and it's because it fries their nervous system. 10:57.330 --> 11:01.535 [SPEAKER_04]: So, that's a good way to go because it's pretty damn quick. 11:02.260 --> 11:25.898 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of imagine so except I don't know like I feel like it could also like incapacitate you and set you on fire would need some really bad all bad all really bad way to go so it could be it could be like if it just like fried your brain immediately yeah you're probably out instantly but otherwise there's I feel like there's some bad suffering that could 11:32.545 --> 11:34.305 [SPEAKER_03]: You've made it through worse than a lightning strike. 11:34.325 --> 11:38.146 [SPEAKER_03]: You've like, you take your head and got in a concussion before. 11:38.166 --> 11:46.488 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but at the same time, like, bronzons, like, a big guy, and he's like the tallest guy out of any group of people. 11:47.028 --> 11:50.589 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, like, he's a lightning rod right here. 11:50.869 --> 11:53.550 [SPEAKER_04]: Plus, you know, my Ohio roots. 11:53.650 --> 11:55.810 [SPEAKER_04]: I would stick a metal rod up into this to the air. 11:55.850 --> 11:59.231 [SPEAKER_04]: If there's a lightning storm in the middle. 12:02.912 --> 12:18.183 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, my, uh, one of my all good friends Professor Harold Dorton, when he was in the army, he got struck by lightning and he has a very unique scar when the lightning hit the ground. 12:19.164 --> 12:27.310 [SPEAKER_04]: It ran across, uh, you know, a certain amount of ground, and then went up his foot into his leg and then shot out of the thigh. 12:33.940 --> 12:36.965 [SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, that would be the best way to leave the middle of the world. 12:36.985 --> 12:37.125 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 12:37.145 --> 12:41.913 [SPEAKER_03]: No, like, like, a medical chart would be like, looking high and low from a place to get struck by lightning. 12:42.053 --> 12:42.775 [SPEAKER_02]: A medical chart. 12:42.835 --> 12:43.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:45.679 --> 12:59.812 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a medical discharge with a hundred percent disability is actually like a sweet gig Like there's a couple of guys in the post office who can still do the job just fine with like 80 90 percent disability Why are you that disabled? 12:59.912 --> 13:10.522 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know man Like I heard John He got hired on as a VA cop and I think he he checked out of Coast Guard with a hundred percent That was a hundred percent disability 13:11.429 --> 13:12.750 [SPEAKER_03]: I was not going to say his name. 13:12.770 --> 13:15.011 [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be his name for his privacy. 13:15.371 --> 13:24.094 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, there's a lot of people being on a boat messed up his back and he's not feeling the same. 13:24.574 --> 13:24.835 [SPEAKER_03]: Bomber. 13:25.215 --> 13:25.515 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:26.235 --> 13:26.515 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 13:29.036 --> 13:29.797 [SPEAKER_03]: He's doing okay. 13:29.817 --> 13:31.177 [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a job as a VA cop. 13:31.677 --> 13:35.079 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is apparently a job you can do if you're 100% disabled. 13:36.779 --> 13:38.020 [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't sound like a hard job. 13:38.628 --> 13:47.396 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I mean, it's you're still a top, I don't know, it's what are you investigating like VA fraud, mostly, probably. 13:47.416 --> 13:49.358 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, VA fraud. 13:51.720 --> 13:54.382 [SPEAKER_03]: I hope I hope we have to invest in our cut-of-home material. 13:54.482 --> 13:56.244 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hope we have to invest in it. 13:56.444 --> 13:58.366 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope we have to investigate stolen baller. 14:01.008 --> 14:02.389 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that's like one of the jobs. 14:02.409 --> 14:03.670 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no. 14:07.542 --> 14:09.423 [SPEAKER_03]: I want nothing more for him. 14:09.684 --> 14:11.405 [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I want that to be my job. 14:11.625 --> 14:12.966 [SPEAKER_02]: That'd be the funniest job. 14:13.106 --> 14:19.271 [SPEAKER_02]: I watch stolen Valor videos on YouTube all the time because it's like objectively the funniest thing someone can do. 14:19.972 --> 14:33.383 [SPEAKER_02]: Not just like the person stealing the Valor and like dressing up in a military uniform when they were never in the military, but also the person who was in the military, who gets so mad about it, they have to publicly shame them about it. 14:33.983 --> 14:42.030 [SPEAKER_02]: Like both of those people are people I do not desire to be around ever, but I think it's funny when they interact. 14:43.134 --> 14:45.896 [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, the pathology of both sides is the funniest thing. 14:46.017 --> 14:46.697 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 14:46.857 --> 14:47.157 [SPEAKER_03]: It is. 14:47.498 --> 14:50.500 [SPEAKER_03]: And do you think that there's stolen valor for prisons? 14:50.540 --> 14:52.842 [SPEAKER_03]: Like people who pretend that they've done these things? 14:52.882 --> 14:53.483 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you see those? 14:53.543 --> 14:54.684 [SPEAKER_03]: Or like, no, you didn't. 14:55.584 --> 14:56.985 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, for sure. 14:57.146 --> 15:00.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there's maybe people who pretend to be CEOs. 15:00.488 --> 15:04.151 [SPEAKER_02]: We know there's famous rappers who pretend to not have been CEOs. 15:04.932 --> 15:07.454 [SPEAKER_03]: We're looking to you, Rick Ross. 15:10.056 --> 15:10.396 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 15:15.158 --> 15:16.839 [SPEAKER_04]: Eric, you want to hit us with some news? 15:17.079 --> 15:17.859 [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely. 15:17.919 --> 15:24.881 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get to, back to one of those boring topics that Professor Bechstra pointed out earlier. 15:24.941 --> 15:26.702 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get to something horrible. 15:27.462 --> 15:28.283 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm, my book horror. 15:28.303 --> 15:29.883 [SPEAKER_02]: Women being abused in prison. 15:29.903 --> 15:30.723 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't like that. 15:30.743 --> 15:31.964 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no. 15:31.984 --> 15:33.304 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not fucking in Dorsan. 15:33.364 --> 15:33.584 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 15:34.065 --> 15:35.425 [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing, nothing good about this. 15:37.166 --> 15:40.807 [SPEAKER_04]: So, from the associate of press, 15:42.870 --> 15:53.359 [SPEAKER_04]: Sophia Riddle writes about California prisons fail to stop guards from sexually abusing women just this department finds. 15:53.479 --> 16:00.584 [SPEAKER_04]: This is just an ongoing problem isn't it where it seems to be the thing that we could we could report on this every single week I think but 16:01.715 --> 16:14.718 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, this article goes on to talk about California prison system has systematically failed to protect incarcerated women from sexual abuse and harassment by the guards, the U.S. Department of Justice said Thursday. 16:15.790 --> 16:20.754 [SPEAKER_04]: So this is a little bit of an investigation. 16:20.794 --> 16:22.115 [SPEAKER_04]: It started quite some time ago. 16:22.456 --> 16:34.986 [SPEAKER_04]: This federal investigation also found that California's corrections department failed to provide women with a way to report sexual abuse and harassment without retaliation on top of that. 16:35.427 --> 16:42.333 [SPEAKER_04]: Staff who were tasked with investigating the misconduct were often themselves accused of sexual abuse or harassment. 16:44.214 --> 16:46.816 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the the whole we investigated ourselves and we found. 16:46.876 --> 16:47.256 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 16:47.276 --> 16:47.737 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 16:48.277 --> 16:48.477 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 16:49.097 --> 16:54.902 [SPEAKER_04]: How about how about let's iron outside agency investigator to take a look at it. 16:54.982 --> 16:55.262 [SPEAKER_04]: But. 16:56.213 --> 17:06.305 [SPEAKER_04]: The investigation which began during the Biden administration focused on two state prisons, the Central California Women's Facility, and the California Institution for Women. 17:06.605 --> 17:12.412 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, covered numerous instances where guards regularly sexually abused incarcerated women, 17:13.613 --> 17:23.157 [SPEAKER_04]: And at least one instance, a guard was convicted of rampant abuse over roughly a decade and sentenced to 224 years in prison. 17:23.437 --> 17:24.857 [SPEAKER_04]: Holy shit. 17:25.457 --> 17:31.320 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what did it detail any of his abuses like this article does not? 17:31.660 --> 17:33.420 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he did it for a decade. 17:33.720 --> 17:36.181 [SPEAKER_02]: No one stopped him for a decade. 17:36.682 --> 17:36.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 17:37.282 --> 17:40.463 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way no one came forward in a decade. 17:42.460 --> 17:42.680 [SPEAKER_04]: What? 17:42.921 --> 17:45.263 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh no, it's just I'm sure people came forward. 17:45.283 --> 17:47.625 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like you said they're investigating themselves. 17:47.765 --> 17:48.085 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 17:48.126 --> 17:48.566 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 17:49.547 --> 17:54.291 [SPEAKER_04]: So, so the state of California claims they're making improvements. 17:55.112 --> 18:02.679 [SPEAKER_04]: And the California Department of Corrections Rehabilitations and the statement that it enforces a zero tolerance policy and mandated. 18:04.334 --> 18:13.158 [SPEAKER_04]: As you may as mandated by the federal prison rape elimination act, a federal law passed in 2003 designed to prevent sexual assaults in prison. 18:13.619 --> 18:27.345 [SPEAKER_04]: The state agency also said that audits conducted by independent entities trained by the Department of Justice found the two prisons were in compliance with federal standards as recently as 2024 and 25. 18:33.987 --> 18:59.928 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, this article goes on to talk about how, um, they, this California Department of Corrections is claiming that they are committed to supporting victims of sexual assault and ensuring safe avenues, um, for, for incarcerated women and staff to confidential, um, confidential, report misconduct, but this is one of those, this is one of those issues that has been a problem. 19:01.053 --> 19:23.137 [SPEAKER_04]: ever since we started incarcerating people, you know, we have such a a chasm of power structured in here that, you know, those people who are watching over the inmates are never questioned about what they do outside of those walls. 19:24.118 --> 19:26.078 [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's very common for them to 19:27.796 --> 19:32.602 [SPEAKER_04]: as we talked about have the Department of Corrections investigate themselves. 19:32.722 --> 19:45.817 [SPEAKER_04]: So wrongdoing is never brought to the surface or people are quietly moved to other prisons or allowed the opportunity to resign and go find job elsewhere. 19:47.666 --> 20:12.117 [SPEAKER_04]: kind of yeah very quietly like oh yeah it's okay you'll be able to get another job somewhere else it's like a great Catholic church just chuffled people around it exactly that was that was the the peril I was going to draw you know we in both of us use uh powers book right the when an american prison prison yeah where we talk about where he talks about 20:13.748 --> 20:21.156 [SPEAKER_04]: folks that have been let go from state run or federal facilities that can very easily get a job in a private facility. 20:21.657 --> 20:30.627 [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, we're just allowing them to move to another institution where they're able to, you know, to find victims. 20:31.642 --> 20:31.842 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 20:31.982 --> 20:40.669 [SPEAKER_03]: And we know by now that the standards of private facilities are virtually not existent in terms of hiring criteria. 20:41.470 --> 20:41.730 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 20:42.130 --> 20:42.330 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 20:42.411 --> 20:45.353 [SPEAKER_03]: I had to go through a polygraph and an extensive background check. 20:46.714 --> 20:49.977 [SPEAKER_03]: It's so much testing, physical testing, written testing. 20:50.277 --> 20:52.979 [SPEAKER_03]: They managed to math problems so that we could count people. 20:53.559 --> 20:57.102 [SPEAKER_03]: But for private prisons, it's 21:01.292 --> 21:02.853 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't, I don't know that there is one. 21:04.453 --> 21:04.733 [SPEAKER_03]: So. 21:07.175 --> 21:09.195 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that is depressing. 21:09.676 --> 21:13.197 [SPEAKER_03]: And I want to bounce off of that. 21:13.497 --> 21:16.378 [SPEAKER_03]: And talk a little more about private prisons. 21:17.119 --> 21:22.061 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what, I think before that, we should give a shout out to our lovely sponsor. 21:23.961 --> 21:40.601 [SPEAKER_02]: who would that be what's what the what could that sponsor be who oh is a Roger Williams University School of Justice studies oh you you freaking know it is Roger Williams University School of Justice studies thank you so much for your supporting this podcast 21:41.902 --> 21:42.763 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what they got there? 21:42.943 --> 21:44.604 [SPEAKER_02]: They got the green offerings. 21:44.644 --> 21:46.046 [SPEAKER_02]: They got certificate offerings. 21:46.066 --> 21:48.588 [SPEAKER_02]: They got post-graduate studies there. 21:49.408 --> 21:50.469 [SPEAKER_02]: All kinds of stuff. 21:50.489 --> 21:51.590 [SPEAKER_02]: You want an education? 21:52.091 --> 21:52.751 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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 22:59.337 --> 23:13.860 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, I, I really like leadership, and I like the way you said that that was nice, and It was like a nice, diblit room with a candle and like like like yoga of music playing I was kind of thinking you know the scene in ghost where they're making the pottery. 23:14.020 --> 23:26.243 [SPEAKER_02]: I was kind of thinking that kind of vibe You know You really ghost and yeah, I'm making the pot and I'm I'm here in this house Leadership It's a sweet nothing in your ear 23:27.202 --> 23:37.585 [SPEAKER_03]: All right, the listeners told me that they want you to wrap the different departments of the School of Justice Studies in a future episode. 23:37.625 --> 23:39.385 [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe maybe we can look forward to that. 23:39.525 --> 23:41.385 [SPEAKER_02]: I can, unfortunately, do that. 23:46.887 --> 23:49.147 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you, Roger Williams University School of Justice Studies. 23:49.287 --> 23:52.048 [SPEAKER_03]: We thank you and above all, we salute you. 23:54.242 --> 23:54.542 [SPEAKER_03]: Indeed. 23:56.222 --> 24:02.824 [SPEAKER_03]: Now, now, now I want to talk about America's private prison companies. 24:04.064 --> 24:17.587 [SPEAKER_03]: As of August 8th, it was reported by NPR that's America's two largest private prison companies, Corsevic, formerly the Corrections Corporation of America, and GEO Group, they reported it combined $1.4 billion in quarterly revenue. 24:21.682 --> 24:21.902 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 24:22.262 --> 24:27.183 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is in large part due to immigration detention being at record levels. 24:27.864 --> 24:36.406 [SPEAKER_03]: And the this 1.4 billion and quarterly revenue does not include net proceeds of 1.6 billion being dodged. 24:42.483 --> 24:51.790 [SPEAKER_03]: And on an investor call meeting, a couple of weeks ago, Patrick Swindle, course of President and CEO, which is a perfect name for him. 24:51.810 --> 24:52.430 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 24:52.450 --> 24:52.790 [SPEAKER_03]: Swindle. 24:52.910 --> 24:53.511 [SPEAKER_03]: Good job. 24:53.631 --> 24:54.631 [SPEAKER_03]: Good job. 24:55.052 --> 25:00.776 [SPEAKER_03]: Let's hold it investors that the money made works out to an average rate of $307,000 per bet. 25:00.816 --> 25:01.796 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow. 25:03.718 --> 25:04.258 [SPEAKER_03]: Think about that. 25:05.179 --> 25:06.279 [SPEAKER_03]: Per bet. 25:06.440 --> 25:07.801 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still thinking about that name. 25:07.841 --> 25:10.682 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like, that's like having the name John Grift, 25:16.066 --> 25:17.107 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't make this stuff up. 25:17.167 --> 25:18.407 [SPEAKER_03]: It's too good now. 25:20.248 --> 25:31.073 [SPEAKER_03]: So the earnings, which were from April through June of this year, they come at a time when the United States is holding nearly 66,000 people in immigration detention. 25:32.430 --> 25:37.232 [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, that's a lot and they're looking for other revenue opportunities in these companies too. 25:37.252 --> 25:44.016 [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, uh, what if we gave a Haitian immigrants ankle monitors when they lose their protected immigration status? 25:44.456 --> 25:45.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 25:45.136 --> 25:45.977 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all bullshit. 25:45.997 --> 25:46.877 [SPEAKER_03]: So hate it all right. 25:47.317 --> 25:48.678 [SPEAKER_03]: Like the news makes me feel bad. 25:49.098 --> 26:01.383 [SPEAKER_02]: In business oftentimes, like talking about emerging markets is oftentimes, you know, talking about like, um, innovation and invention and like, you know, new, new horizons. 26:01.943 --> 26:05.645 [SPEAKER_02]: And they call them horizon models now in AI and stuff. 26:06.745 --> 26:15.330 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, in prison, that's just entirely evil, like emerging markets are all like, how can we put people in prison even more? 26:15.871 --> 26:24.236 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, how can we make them spend more at prison, suck all of their and their families money completely dry? 26:24.716 --> 26:30.820 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, how can we make this as miserable of an experience as possible while saving the most money? 26:32.531 --> 26:37.633 [SPEAKER_03]: How can we take taxpayer money and parlay it into people incarcerated? 26:37.653 --> 26:38.933 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not giving them programs. 26:38.973 --> 26:40.673 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no form of rehabilitation. 26:40.774 --> 26:42.634 [SPEAKER_03]: Immigration detention doesn't have any. 26:42.654 --> 26:43.654 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no corrections. 26:43.754 --> 26:44.055 [SPEAKER_03]: Elements. 26:44.295 --> 26:52.817 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the biggest thing about this all of this bullshit is that this was all built. 26:52.937 --> 26:56.238 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, hey, we're going to deport people who are illegal. 26:56.458 --> 26:58.319 [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to deport them because they broken the law. 26:59.060 --> 26:59.901 [SPEAKER_03]: We're not deporting them. 26:59.921 --> 27:02.723 [SPEAKER_03]: We're holding them here and he's the thousands of people. 27:02.743 --> 27:09.188 [SPEAKER_04]: So these folks can earn billions of dollars that our taxpayer dollars are going to pay them. 27:09.268 --> 27:11.610 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if we're going to deport people, deport them. 27:11.670 --> 27:12.851 [SPEAKER_04]: Don't hold them here. 27:12.891 --> 27:13.692 [SPEAKER_04]: And definitely. 27:13.712 --> 27:19.377 [SPEAKER_04]: And that's exactly what's going to happen is they're going to continue to hold them until probably 20, 28. 27:19.397 --> 27:20.958 [SPEAKER_04]: And then we're going to start shipping them off. 27:24.081 --> 27:24.481 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say. 27:24.897 --> 27:25.898 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. 27:26.318 --> 27:31.100 [SPEAKER_03]: And so private prison companies are making more money than ever. 27:31.801 --> 27:33.282 [SPEAKER_03]: This is all part of a larger strategy. 27:33.582 --> 27:45.128 [SPEAKER_03]: President Trump has said that he wants to have 100,000 people in immigration detention not all at once, which is like the strangest goal to have 100,000 people behind bars. 27:45.969 --> 27:46.109 [SPEAKER_03]: I, 27:46.709 --> 27:57.352 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not his goal, that's like, that's Patrick Swindle's goal, and that's what he paid Donald Trump to have his goal. 27:57.952 --> 28:03.613 [SPEAKER_03]: And like, right, right now, that's, this, oh god, I hate this so much. 28:03.653 --> 28:10.415 [SPEAKER_03]: He's the figurehead for a bunch of like corporations and businesses, and he's the mouthpiece for what they want to do at this point. 28:17.476 --> 28:18.597 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. 28:18.757 --> 28:19.517 [SPEAKER_03]: Perfect analogy. 28:19.657 --> 28:20.858 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 28:21.278 --> 28:27.440 [SPEAKER_03]: And as you may know, President Trump's borders are Tom Holman. 28:27.960 --> 28:35.923 [SPEAKER_03]: He was a paid consultant for Geo Group before he joined the government and former attorney general Pam Bondi lobbied for Geo Group before she was appointed. 28:36.763 --> 28:44.286 [SPEAKER_03]: And Trump's most recent financial disclosures shows that he has made 29 trades of private prison stocks since 28:46.587 --> 28:57.712 [SPEAKER_03]: He's, he's, he's, he's got stakes in this, which should not, it's not ethical should not be legal, which Congress would do something about this. 28:58.453 --> 28:58.813 [SPEAKER_03]: They won't. 28:59.433 --> 29:00.834 [SPEAKER_03]: And themselves do. 29:01.034 --> 29:01.474 [SPEAKER_03]: They won't. 29:01.534 --> 29:01.734 [SPEAKER_04]: Right. 29:01.834 --> 29:02.415 [SPEAKER_04]: That's the thing. 29:02.675 --> 29:07.357 [SPEAKER_04]: They have to look, they have to look inward before they actually do something here, which they're not going to do. 29:07.577 --> 29:21.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, say what you will about Joe Biden, but when he was in Congress, he did introduce pretty early on legislation to bar, you know, congressional members from trading stocks that they would have interest in. 29:22.147 --> 29:32.214 [SPEAKER_02]: And he never, like, personally traded stocks or anything, which is why he was the poorest modern president and poorest modern senator. 29:33.655 --> 29:54.285 [SPEAKER_02]: You like he left a senator his senatorship to be president with only like a net worth of like half a million dollars or something like like nothing like Bernie Sanders had a higher net worth than Joe Biden as a senator which is See what you will about him, but the the due to does have at least like personal morals 29:56.010 --> 29:57.452 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, two at a green chart. 29:57.552 --> 29:59.454 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 30:00.075 --> 30:01.877 [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is all the news. 30:01.997 --> 30:04.880 [SPEAKER_03]: It's fit to be said on this podcast. 30:05.020 --> 30:06.482 [SPEAKER_04]: So let's let's call it a day. 30:06.582 --> 30:07.843 [SPEAKER_04]: Let's do it. 30:07.863 --> 30:08.424 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know. 30:09.545 --> 30:11.607 [SPEAKER_03]: Turn out the lights and go to bed. 30:12.248 --> 30:12.809 [SPEAKER_03]: Lights out. 30:13.129 --> 30:13.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Lights out. 30:14.190 --> 30:14.791 [SPEAKER_00]: Lights out. 30:15.131 --> 30:15.772 [SPEAKER_00]: Lights out. 30:56.582 --> 30:57.662 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for 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