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[SPEAKER_03]: Answering your grave.
[SPEAKER_03]: A cheeker writer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Shake them ropes here with Rob McCarran and Jeff Hawkins.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk a little bit about, I don't know, how about wrestling if we don't break out into a Dodgers pitching discussion that we did at the end of last week's episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: We will talk a little bit about what's going on on raw.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on on dynamite?
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, we're going to get to our usual weekly block of T&A impact.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Jeff Hawkins, all of my bros are on the show I don't watch no more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: All of my guys see him punk, Gunther, Drew McIntyre,
[SPEAKER_03]: Not to mention, Cody Rhodes, and you got, yeah, you just got everyone, even over Femme's every once in a while coming over to this show, you got everyone on SmackDown, you got not much on Raw when Roman Reigns decides to take a week off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk to me a little bit about the dichotomy between Ron Smackdown and what you think about Smackdown this week, and then we're going to break down a quarter hour rating.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we're probably going to break down demographics between the two shows and then we're going to figure out why the hell.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dan House and of all people gets to be on both.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll have a nice Sophie's choice discussion on who I'm going to use on SmackDown Kevin Owens is on SmackDown Sami Zayn is on SmackDown The Brewers are in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's a good one.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got Blake's now coming back.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got, I mean, Roki Sasaki some somehow is still in the starting rotation.
[SPEAKER_02]: by Bob Eucard jersey comes tomorrow, but I still have oh, there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you got a lot to look forward to.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got the cubs be a no hit through six and two thirds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, there was a similar, God, this feels like back down is the Dodgers right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and it feels like Vince is in charge again, because this is a total Vince move to but all the people that people like while you push the people that, oh, Vince likes, oh, oops, I think my mic off site.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and it's just over and you know, Brock's gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have the vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have
[SPEAKER_03]: Roman and the bloodline and L.A. night as solo and it's like, okay, well, you talk about all the people that people like.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, oh, but if any people like him, people do, but you know, he's a monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's the raw type.
[SPEAKER_02]: The the wrestlers that wrestling fans like are on Smackdown now.
[SPEAKER_02]: The promo guys,
[SPEAKER_02]: the guys who can do good matches other than say lucha doors.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an embarrassment of unbalancedness on SmackDown right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: which is a little weird because I mean I could have said two years ago when you had Seth Rollins and see I still got Seth Rollins kind of on her ox up to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean Seth Rollins is getting a little bit of that where you know go away for a bit, come back, go away for a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be shocked if in two years he's got the Roman reign's schedule if he's not just completely out of the business altogether.
[SPEAKER_03]: The the only reason I think Seth Rollins is honestly still wrestling.
[SPEAKER_03]: is because he only has to go two days a week now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's got your, you got your travel day, you got the show, and that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's gonna be looking at the road.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he seems like that guy, and he'll be on some of the house shows, you know, when they do the house show tours because now they're so few and far between, you know, you have him go into Europe every once in a while, and it just seems like, and maybe Becky might be this way too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, this guy has, he's got the football stuff football season as upon us.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have the newborn child, like you don't have much longer with Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch.
[SPEAKER_03]: But right now those are two names that are on the raw side that aren't there every single week.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... you don't have room and the kids all enough to tour now and go on the road with them so it might be one and but and not yet in school necessary okay yeah i guess one of those things we have yeah you might have a little bit more time with the child touring with the kid yeah but at the same time you can't do that you can't really do that much during school no no once once in school not but like that between the ages like four and six sure
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, they go, you maybe got two, two plus years of Seth Rollins really being a full timer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not to mention this is a guy that's got, you know, I mean Randy Orton look where he's at where he has to take a year off every once in a while because of his back and Seth Rollins probably doesn't want to get to that point, but he's on the trajectory where he will get to that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: at some point so yeah anyway the point is raw kind of right now is a little bit there in the law period and we talked about getting past summer slams you can figure out what you're going to do and it looks like what WWE is going to do is just go full on bloodline on the raw side just never ending bloodline.
[SPEAKER_03]: as your top angle spread out, not just at the beginning and the end of the show's, but during the show's as well, it's what everyone else is chasing.
[SPEAKER_03]: No one's chasing the world title.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're effectively just chasing the bloodline because it doesn't have to be Roman Reigns, uh, your top two baby faces on the show, which you can say, oh, but Femi may be the top baby face on the show just because of what he's done so far.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's also still super new.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this guy has been only on the shows for what now four months.
[SPEAKER_03]: four months he's been on effectively raw your top baby faces correct me if I'm wrong outside a roman range you can still consider roman rains the top baby face if you want to but the but the bloodline is a heel group your top baby faces right now are l a night and then number two solosacoa pentah
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe pent up a pentating getting up in that in that ratings mix.
[SPEAKER_03]: He ain't getting up in that world title mix right now And I mean he probably is getting in the world title mix on September 14th But it's a one and done you throw something to win in the world title in Mexico City I don't know if solos gonna be a baby face after next week Maybe not
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's one of those things, but I mean, like, then you turn to smack down and, you know, you get that Kevin Owens punk promo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that thing was fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, smack down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I'm going to have to do something here because as we all know, as everyone knows, I don't watch smack down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watch clips.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cause one Friday night, come on now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think the days of having this on Friday night need to end soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not watching this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm watching the clip.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I see I kind of see sometimes I even see more than raw of what's really truly going on and what are the big top focuses.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you have Kevin O'Nceum punk.
[SPEAKER_03]: This kind of goes in line a little bit with Oberfemi-Bron-Braker.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, got some main event level story lines here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And not WWE main event TV show.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like you got names were six months ago, these guys were as hot as all get out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Obafemi Brownbreaker could be a top program on the show, and this is a transition program right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a bad program, too, because it's all about the future of the WWE.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more corporate-filledly crap.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not even all about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, brawn wanting to impress Danny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to get his dad back.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like his dad decided to do abandon him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, why would you abandon me and just leave my family here all by myself?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I got to be the big brother and support everyone, but my fucking little brother
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm here supporting the family and dad's right dad's watching the family struggle and as he's being involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because all you said you were going out for cigarettes and milk and you never came home.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because because daddy lost daddy owes his bookie and doesn't want to disrupt his bookie, oh, but then me over here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lost his bet lost all his money Brock Lesnar and now he's just why is I have a question for you I said we're gonna start on smack down.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is effectively our story.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know Talking all things raw.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is wise Paul Hayman in storyline like if this were real?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is Paul Hayman showing up to raw?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually the best question anybody's asked is, hey, you have nobody to manage right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are you here?
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you scouting for your next protege?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you can do that on TV.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what do you, what do you actually do?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're, if you're manager card is licensed to Brock Lesnar and Brock Lesnar retired.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why the fuck are you still here?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, this will remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: This will go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: If this was Miami Marlins and Scott Bores had no players on the Marlins and he was just showing up to Marlins camp, like, what are you doing here, Scott?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, remember, Brock retired, but he still wrestles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he might show up one day.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what's the whole shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He shot that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That wasn't me.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's still wrestling with one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shadow.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's wrestling with shadows.
[SPEAKER_03]: Guy hope knocks.
[SPEAKER_03]: That didn't go well for the last guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're saying, and there are fools out here saying that we need to turn Oba Fennie heel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, we have no baby faces right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is such a heel friggin' roster right now on the ride with LA night being your lone.
[SPEAKER_02]: your lone white knight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Seth is around, but Seth hasn't appeared since he got his ass beat, so everyone I wanted to see Roman wrestle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is either Seth Rollins who already just wrestled him or on the SmackDown side now?
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're going to have all these names on RAW, maybe it's time to pull the trigger with an LA night win.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then see, because the bloodline already is a disaster and not a disaster in the way of, oh, nothing is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think in certain ways, some of this could work.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, they started the fucking new bloodline as a triad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was Jimmy, Jay, and Roman being on the same page.
[SPEAKER_03]: being equals.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it is not since that promo, been that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has been Roman Reigns leading the charge and J.U.
[SPEAKER_03]: So literally moving himself into the back seat, moving himself into the second seat.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no more main event J.U.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no more him calling himself main event J.U.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, he's trying new catch phrases.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's they're downplaying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Raw was weird because they're they're downplaying, but then they're not downplaying the
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes he doesn't, sometimes he does it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what do we do in here?
[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe it's time to transition and do the true J versus Roman, or maybe even a Jimmy versus Roman, maybe everyone versus Roman, maybe the angle here should be, okay, Ellen, Knights, your champion, go against a bronze breaker or another type of heel, and then the bloodline infighting is one of your other main storylines where everyone's just coming after Roman until eventually Romans all alone
[SPEAKER_03]: Truly, no more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, maybe he's got a bloodline.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he's got a family.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe there's a new family involved.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he's trying to pick pieces back together again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Roman Reigns truly is the lone wolf again going on moving forward as a huge ass baby face because his family abandoned him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not trying to fantasy book anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying this is what they should do.
[SPEAKER_03]: What I'm saying is maybe it's time.
[SPEAKER_03]: for something else on top because Romans not always there to be on top and when he's not it is a struggle as evidence by Monday.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually think you have something there but what I would do is I would not put Jay in the backseat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would actually do what they said they were going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's in equal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if already started taking the good guy pieces off the board, they took out Royce keys, set us gone, we're doing this thing now, which we always say they never do with stables, which is, you're here to take over, let's take over.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's have the bloodline just take over the entire damn show.
[SPEAKER_02]: for the most part as equals until that greater force, possibly with Oberfemi and Brock Intoe, takes out the bloodline and then the infighting can begin with the blood of the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the problem we're trying to do this is equals is one of them's your world champion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so if you're J.U.
[SPEAKER_03]: so and you're the equal of Roman Reigns, why aren't you getting title matches?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why aren't you building towards that?
[SPEAKER_03]: But no, you're just trying to protect your boss.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're not trying to protect an equal you're trying to protect you know the guy who's stopping you from truly being an equal
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're trying to play the horseman thing without doing the horseman thing where it's oh, the world titles in the stable.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're all going to protect the world title type thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're all.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a high world champions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, kind of.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at least at least that, okay, maybe it made sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that should be a time where the Uso's might be going for the tag titles.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they really, you know, if they wanted to do what AEW does and just have like 15 different singles titles so that you can all have a different
[SPEAKER_03]: as the world championship.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, right now, whatever it is, and the summer, the summer is ending soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there won't be the excuse of the summer law, because football season's coming back.
[SPEAKER_03]: The summer's ending soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to have some 7 p.m. Netflix RAWs coming up here, and you're going to need something for that first hour.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to need something for that first hour,
[SPEAKER_03]: That ain't gonna work.
[SPEAKER_03]: That ain't gonna cut it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doing it for two, three more months because that's always done for the last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, are we getting seven o'clock brawls?
[SPEAKER_03]: To a point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Monday night.
[SPEAKER_03]: Monday night.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying they've already announced some of these.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's what they did for Monday night football last year, every once in a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had a seven o'clock raw on the East Coast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like for all is going to be in Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why not started at seven o'clock versus eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Seven o'clock's a good time to do a TV show to do in arena event.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when baseball started.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some baseball games started at six forty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm sure we're going to get some seven o'clock raws.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't doubt that at all that we'll get some seven o'clock.
[SPEAKER_03]: All I'm saying is we're three weeks away.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're three weeks away from professional football being back, we're two weeks, two and a half weeks away from college football being back.
[SPEAKER_03]: And clearly they were worried about it last year, so I don't see a difference in them being worried about it this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to be a little bit worried about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: If they just want to get the edge up,
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, you're going to need some people in that first hour and Roman won't be there every week.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's going to be the break between one of these paper views and survivor series.
[SPEAKER_03]: where you're not going to see a lot of Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then after Survivor Series headed to the Royal Rumble, I don't think we're going to see Roman Reigns at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: So either move the title off of Roman Reigns, or you have to figure out what your top program is going to be without the world title in the picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wouldn't be surprised if at some point they move a name from the SmackDown side.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not someone who's been there most recently.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could always see a Drew McIntyre.
[SPEAKER_03]: Drew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Drew McIntyre.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, really isn't evident that that show's going to die a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes up against me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love Drew.
[SPEAKER_03]: Drew McIntyre for two years straight, carry WWE TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but if you do Drew versus bloodline at nauseam again, it becomes the same thing over again where the bloodline keeps screwing Drew and Drew comes out and goes, I was screwed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, that's everybody's line now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's LA night's line.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the Drew McIntyre, the time where you could have done Drew McIntyre, keeping with the bloodline has kind of ended.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a period there where he was telling everyone, I was right the whole time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are all going back to Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are all pussy footing around the truth that you know, I was right for two years about the bloodline.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are all taking him back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Same as they took him back, J.U.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it took him back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a lot of these guys are taking him back and Drew McIntyre stayed steadfast.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there was a period there where you could have done him in Roman again because of that angle.
[SPEAKER_03]: But not after a two year break, I don't think you can do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that time's passed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the time is passed on that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't do Sami Zayn going back there too because he went back there and then he didn't go back there and now Sami Zayn is a Zayn is a bad guy complaining about how Kevin Owens took a spot and you got see him punk Kevin Owens kind of in the program, but not really Can we hot shot?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but Because I know they want to wait for Mania to crown him and coordinate, but
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is weird in itself because like I get a lot of rumors of yeah, we're going to wait for Oba and Roman in Saudi Arabia, but then you see all the rumors of, okay, if the rocks ever going to wrestle again, it's got to probably be this year and it's got to be in Saudi Arabia, so are they really going to do Oba Femi and you know what, you don't have to wait till WrestleMania anymore, because guess what guys guess what, WrestleMania ain't going to be your most watch show next year, just think it's going to be rumbles again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The WrestleMania at one or two PM on a Saturday in April ain't going to be your most watch show at least not live.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I think people are going to check out WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a lot of people are going to check out WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the most intriguing show and the most buzzworthy show is not going to be the Saudi Arabia WrestleMania, just not.
[SPEAKER_03]: The same way that it probably wouldn't be the most buzzworthy show if it were in China or Germany.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or, you know, anywhere, but one in Wembley probably, like it's just not going to be your most buzzword.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't be the most buzzword they show if it were in Mexico City.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't be the most buzzword they show if it were in Manitoba.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not just the Saudi Arabia thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like this shows kind of got to happen in the big cities, the really big cities in Canada or the United States or London.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And happening at two o'clock on a weekday overseas.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, people might be having, but you're not going to have.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know they're trying to do these watch parties in New York and I think they will get some traction, but it's not like people are going to travel from sea to rapids Iowa to go to New York during a WrestleMania watch party.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be a threat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be a destination to go watch it on a screen when you can watch it on a screen at home.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Royal Rumble will be or maybe even some are slamming the summer, but it's not going to be a WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're exactly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, I just, it's.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I were them, I wouldn't even do a two night WrestleMania in Saudi Arabia.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would do it one day, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're kind of committed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're kind of committed, and you want to see, you want to see a five-match WrestleMania, I think we'll probably get two five-match shows because they're going to want the least amount of workers.
[SPEAKER_03]: It won't be an event where you're bringing everybody in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell you that right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to bring be the event where we're bringing everyone in.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're bringing the legends in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you ain't doing that for WrestleMania this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So do you really want to do Oberfemi on that show?
[SPEAKER_02]: you do because it's well, I mean, they do because they think that's our crown jewel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that's, that's a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The do it on crown jewel.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you know what I mean, but that's our big event.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is going to be the big highlight of the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is, this is where we tell you this is the new star right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, you're not going to be able to keep this bloodline story as is going out of this
[SPEAKER_02]: run through the bloodline from rumble to mania to get to mania and keep it hot and interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not on the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's already dying in some ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's nine months away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're bringing it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zilla, two debuted on on NXT.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he'll be brought up pretty quickly too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So think about what we were watching on WWE TV nine months ago, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, it's nine months away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a lot of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of, there's, you know, not as many paper views in between now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you always have money in the bank, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you have, you're going to have a money in the bank winner who has a brief case.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you've got to slot that involved.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, is there going to be a money in the brief money in the,
[SPEAKER_03]: winner who potentially becomes the champion, so I get may not be seeing a bunk it may not be Roman Rains.
[SPEAKER_03]: there might might be a lot of stuff going on here in the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wouldn't be banking if I were them on Obofemi versus Roman Reigns is my WrestleMania main event.
[SPEAKER_03]: If they are, though, great.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have plenty of time to build up for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, Roman Reigns has to stay as strong as possible and hovering around Solosacoa
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and meanwhile, you have six guys on SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could probably slot into it and make it a lot more interesting and they're all together now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, remember, remember how Roman reigns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Roman reigns was with Paul Hayman and the one line story got really hot.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, I mean, he was working with Brock Lesnar.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was working with Cody Rhodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was working with, he was working with the Undertaker.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was working with a lot of big ass names to get him to that level as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's, well, not just that, but it was the Sammy story that ultimately saved the bloodline story from becoming boring and monotonous every week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just watching that clip again where it was Jay and Sammy Bickering, you know, the not feeling Ucy promo, which was just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, it was, it was everybody getting invested in the Sammy getting abused by the bloodline story and eventually turning on Roman that made that story hot again with with Hayman and everybody involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would have gotten
[SPEAKER_03]: WWE's YouTube today was doing a Roman Reigns PLE domination type of playlist where just their live stream is just showing Roman Reigns ever since he joined up with Paul Hayman just his PLE dominance, like all the matches that he was defending his world title on for what was it two years or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're showing a lot of that and I happened to get on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was watching Dan Levitard and then that ended.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't have a lot of time, so I didn't actually get to see the end of it, but they just started showing the WrestleMania, the first Cody Rhodes Roman Reigns match from WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it just took me back, it took me back to a time and like we're still doing the bloodline in a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: But man, that had Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn's rise that had the Uso's being literally you can point to that year and a half where the tag team division was as important as anything in WWE because it was the Uso's and it was the bloodline.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you had that main event Cody Rhodes Roman Reigns and just every near fall was crazy because everyone thought Cody Rhodes would win and was hoping Cody Rhodes would win and then it was a shock obviously when he didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, take me back to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I've been hoping all these big match main events would have that kind of feel for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And outside of Sami Zayn and Montréal, outside of kind of WrestleMania with CM Punk and Roman Reigns, like they really haven't had that lately.
[SPEAKER_03]: as much as they did for that year and a half of the bloodline storyline, and it's like we have really big names in WWE right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: We probably have the biggest name, this year, because you can still count AJ Styles and Brock Lesnar.
[SPEAKER_03]: This year has one of the biggest superstar name rosters in all of WWE history, but we just haven't been able to recapture the magic of a few years ago of the main of the big main events, especially the ones with Roman
[SPEAKER_03]: and now you're going to put PLE main events out there that might be Roman Reigns versus solo.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think you might be able to capture it with LA Night and Roman, but not if you keep doing just LA Night complaining backstage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they're cheating.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're cheating.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be all the friends that they've already beat up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas, and they're afraid to do this, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're afraid to put something new in there because it might overshadow the bloodline, then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the guy I would take right now, because I think Drew's busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther's not doing anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther'd going through the bloodline would be exciting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Gunther at this point kind of is primed.
[SPEAKER_03]: You probably should have started it with more of a positive reaction with all this type stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like him shaking his hand at being introduced into the four-way match at SummerSlam wasn't enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could have actually had a big gunther face turn, and then he's like, now I'm now I'm on SmackDown, where CM Punk is just one the world title.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he has a number one contender.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I, I need the title to chase.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not the number one contender.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you either give me the number one contender ship.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I'm going to go to raw and I'm going to win the number one contendership and then have him go through the entire bloodline, but not like not like this so solo thing not like Jacob fought to kind of did it's like he doesn't have to announce that he's going for Roman reigns he can just go to raw and beat up all the bloodline and like and be a baby face ain't Roman.
[SPEAKER_03]: I took out your family.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: that's the funny part is LA night has the promos but they've never let him win enough where they where he can be the stone cold that they want him to be against the bloodline.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if you've seen the the crispy and fleet interviews with with LA night or any of them for that matter, but the one with LA night's really fun for the fact that it's clear, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like people always say, why aren't you, oh, you missed the boat on LA night, you're missing the push.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like this guy will flat out go out and interview and say that like I don't have that much time left.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm already 40.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to be wrestling when I'm 50 and if I'm and he's he's talking about like how we thought he was out of a job one time looking for my next maneuver or my next move like
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, maybe WWE and LA night are mutually like, yeah, we're going to make you an important part of the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if we put you at the top of the top and have you beat Roman, like, do we think in three years that you're that we're going to benefit from putting you at the top of the top?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you might be gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might be gone on your own accord.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not because we pushed you out or didn't want to use you, that you might just be done wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then but at the same time they'll go, oh, you're too young.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't push you just yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're paralyzed by over analysis.
[SPEAKER_03]: in every sometimes it works out by pushing a guy to young if if they're going to be great and they're going to be the future the actual future of your show.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can push them but you have to sustain it you can't be brown breaker where we're going to make you a main event or but now we have too many main event or so we got to push you back down.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would be the guy right now if they had if they had gone full full on push probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: He would absolutely be he'd be that guy people would be calling to be like Roman Reigns versus brown breaker.
[SPEAKER_03]: as a baby face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they would have already probably turned in baby face.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I was going because you know, he was on such a heater.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's, there's a lot of guys who have had really great moments.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, and again, I still know, okay, and you know, there's only a few people that can be at the tip of the top because you can't just have everyone being in the main of M. picture.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it gets all clustered.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then that's AEW, where everyone is saying they're the real
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can't you can't do that quite yet, but it's going to be weird, especially because yeah, Penta.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Penta's going to suffer a little bit from this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Penta's going to be built up for the next month.
[SPEAKER_03]: Going to Mexico City, you have the really big crazy match with Roman Reigns going to lose and then not be invited back to the world title picture for at least a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that's exactly what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to they're going to screw them in Mexico City.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be bloodline shenanigans so you can get into the war games that they're eventually going to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because we're coming we're coming closer to that war games and the vision the vision not going to be involved with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's no pretty clear at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be bloodline versus LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the vision friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the vision would have been included if they didn't have all the injury history.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really do feel like that could have been something they were working towards.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, now now you have this
[SPEAKER_03]: Bloodline Survivor Series war games where you got them I don't know who it'll be yet whether it's Jacob whether it's solo will see how they build this up But one of them's gonna fuck Roman Reigns and that's gonna be your program going into the raw rumble or going into December
[SPEAKER_03]: Going into the maybe the first raw of the year because there is a lot of time in December and January where there's not going to be a PLA I think raw rumbles in February right like it's being it's being pushed to February, I believe it's in Arizona.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to avoid the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so it's going to be in February there's going to be a lot of time there.
[SPEAKER_03]: in the middle of winter where you may not have room and you may not have a top story line there and you're you're going to be building up the baby face run of either Jacob Vattu or Solosicoa.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're absolutely right where Gunther could have slotted in perfectly especially after kind of the feel good of Nick Aldis.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the feel good of Nick Aldis didn't have to just build up Nick Aldis.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you'll get a nickel, this could have built up Gunther right back to that program, instead of just being okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you mentioned how he doesn't really have anything going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gunther seemingly has not had anything going on since he lost the world title, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: He hasn't, but he still manages to be an important part of the show because it's Gunther and he's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: because he shoves the hell out of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has legitimacy and, you know, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody thinks, I mean, it doesn't matter if he's a baby face or a heal, people are going to cheer him because he's an ass kicker.
[SPEAKER_03]: He turned angry promos with the SmackDown GM into one of the main events of SummerSlam because if you listen to the timeline in a belief neck, all this and all the other people talking about the timeline,
[SPEAKER_03]: They were doing those backstage segments and they were doing the angst against each other for much longer than they said, you know what, Nick, all this were giving you a match at Summerslam.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Gunther turned that into something because there's been a bunch of other guys who have had, you know, backstage blowups with Adam Pearce and Nick, all this and it's not like they're getting the match with the GM.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, Granite Gunther, again, didn't have anything going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to give Roman Reigns Adam Pearce.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like still, Gunther turned backstage angry promos against nobody, effectively, the wall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, into a match with fucking Nick Aldous and he could have, he could have gotten the rub of the feel good a little bit more than what they're doing after getting screwed out of being able to retire, Brock Lesnar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he still has a favor from Paul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I'm in the left.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does he though I don't know it's a drop story I feel like he got the I feel like he got the favor I feel like the favor was him moving to Smackdown.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Granted I don't remember shit
[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like I remember, I remember him moving to SmackDown was one of those favors because again, he was kind of stuck in the, in the picture on Raw, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, you got gone through over there on SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got all the big names Randy Orton back.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's still a lot to do with him and Cody Rhodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's, there's a lot to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: See him punks got so much meat on the bone with guys on Raw and now still on SmackDown because he hasn't done much of anything with a Sami Zayn outside of win in the title.
[SPEAKER_03]: hasn't done much of anything with Cody Rhodes and you know I kind of hate that they did that match at Summerslam honestly with Cody Rhodes because I thought that could have been something that was much further down the line but okay they've done it great they've done it there's a lot you can do in WWE I just think you know it sounds like the two of us are a little disappointed and what they've decided to do right now at least on the raw side
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there's a, yeah, on the wrong side, especially there's a, an abundance of riches and you know, it's going to be interesting to see how.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's nobody's going to boo Kevin Owens at this point and focus such a natural asshole that that might actually turn them anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're both, they're both kind of assholes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're, I mean, it's a very interest and you're Andy Orton, another asshole.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to try out of my assholes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Same as they ain't kind of an asshole.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to, you got a whole bunch of assholes on the old SmackDown side.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thankfully, two of the assholes are good guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well, we have, we have that from an AEW, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before we get to AEW, what do you make of, I want to get your thoughts on Bailey causing a little bit of a store, a store, because I think I know what she's doing, but Bailey on social media has been going super heavy on some AEW references and just leaving WWE type references.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think Bailey is doing right now on her social media as people question,
[SPEAKER_02]: she's playing it up for all it's worth.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what she's doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that hard in and both her and Mercedes do this all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: They love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because Bailey's another asshole.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's fucking around with people because people don't know what she's and she's, yeah, Mercedes, my name's best friend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Guess what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mercedes?
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of an asshole.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she's playing up what people are talking about and just dickin' around, you got reports, the A, W's confused, doesn't know what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, don't be.
[SPEAKER_03]: W, W's confused, doesn't know what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not landing right with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, she's just fuckin' around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and she's allowed to because she hasn't signed a deal yet and she hasn't found one that she's liked yet I think she goes back to WWE because I think she's gonna eventually be taking over NXT training down there
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you say go back to WWE.
[SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't laugh dubious.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has in the left.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, they consider her gone because she hasn't resigned yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I mean, but you are correct in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a crazy wacky off-the-wall theory.
[SPEAKER_02]: that all in is Mercedes last match in AEW and that because 90 days after all in is survivor series and that they'll appear together, but I don't have any faith in that pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just an off-the-wall theory I have, but I think Bailey eventually ends up back in WWE.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she likes the WWE system.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she's in it for bangers necessarily and given how AEW treats its women's division.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, she'd have a banger and then she'd have to wait six months for another program.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't see her going over there to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I...
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if I'm Bailey, I'm seeing one the money that people are getting on the other side.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm seeing that I probably have to only show up on Wednesdays, and like if she has her choice, maybe she's going there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because the money would be important because of this loadstone project that she does with all the female wrestlers and stuff, it would help underwrite that, but she's also
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think she's leaving WWE myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying the reasons why she could go.
[SPEAKER_03]: She could go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: She could maybe not wrestle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she's been in WWE on the main roster for 10 plus years.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then very important programs and very important spots as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she's probably made quite a bit of money.
[SPEAKER_03]: She can go do whatever she wants at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she can wrestle in Japan.
[SPEAKER_03]: She can wrestle here.
[SPEAKER_03]: She can wrestle anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: If she was going to go to AEW, clearly, it's because of the money and the schedule, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's also maybe to be with, you know, or say, it's, it's her friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: It have the really big match, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think she could always go back to WWE later on if she wanted to.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think the door closes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But as she stays in WWE, there's a little bit of that factor that I don't think people fully, fully realize sometimes because you do have names who leave and had the same dream.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like Bailey's one of those who was like, my dream was to be in WWE.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't the professional wrestler.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was to be in WWE.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, yeah, she's been there.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's done that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe things change.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your taste doesn't adult change from when you're younger.
[SPEAKER_03]: But some of them, it's like, I want to, Seth Rollins is that guy who's dream was to be in WWE.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he still has that dream.
[SPEAKER_03]: His dream is to be in WWE.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's a guy who could have made a ton of money elsewhere, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that might be a little bit of her.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's just playing around.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that she made so many AEW references, to me, it tells me she's not going there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, that's a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it just depends for me because it's interesting, you can say something to yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then once you're in the situation, you realize you were either right or wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in this one, it's, what I'd be happy re-signing and being
[SPEAKER_02]: The mentor to all the girls who looked up to me, in that kind of mid-card morass of like Lyra and Roxanne, and whoever they bring up from NXT to introduce to themselves and having matches with them and making them look good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or do I still want the one thing that they never gave me, which was to quote unquote main event of Maneia?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Becky got to do it, Charlotte got to do it, Sasha kind of got to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's one of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: How competitive are you with your slot?
[SPEAKER_02]: These of you, your peers, who came up with you at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know her, I don't know anything about her mindset on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sasha, kind of got to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: She got to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I wasn't sure if we're considering that a main event slot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Being the main event of WrestleMania on one night?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm gonna, I mean, I'm gonna consider her and Bianca that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you had a bit of a hold on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now we got to go back to the 2021 WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe it was because it was the first mania with people back, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: The first kind of big event with people back was 2021.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you made a vented night one.
[SPEAKER_03]: God, this Wikipedia, man, have to scroll through, have to scroll through 18 paragraphs as they.
[SPEAKER_02]: This particular match was two story lines combined and written by double, double, double, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like before, I just want to make it probably right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're probably correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just not a versus Sasha was the main event of night one, WrestleMania 2021.
[SPEAKER_03]: Following the esteemed match of bad bunny and Damian priest versus Nelson Morrison.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Braun Strowman versus Shane McMahon.
[SPEAKER_03]: AJ Styles and almost remember when they were teaming against the new day,
[SPEAKER_03]: Natalia and Tamina beating Liv Morgan and Ruby Riot in the texture and turmoil and then Bobby Lashley versus Drew McIntyre.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just went through because I was like this is a time capsule in itself and this was not that long ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was five years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, Bianca Bellair versus Sasha Banks and the main event of Russell May.
[SPEAKER_03]: So of course, yeah, they're main event.
[SPEAKER_03]: They
[SPEAKER_03]: i may have to go back and watch this twenty twenty one uh... rustle mania because my galley that was the time cast was that the ending were roman stacked both of them in pindum and pretty sure
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it a stack in a pin or did he had yeah, it was a stack in a pin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a stack in a pin.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that they had the cross face on the bullfold met the same time, right, something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then I was a stack in a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why not edge wasn't, wasn't long in the cards for WWE and didn't your Brian, you never knew when he was going to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Roman Reigns was your guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is still kind of the start of the Roman Reigns bloodline push.
[SPEAKER_03]: is April of 2021.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah Kevin Owens defeated Sami Zayn and a singles match.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sami Zayn coming to the ring with Logan Paul.
[SPEAKER_03]: What a what a time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: What a time.
[SPEAKER_03]: What a time in WWE.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now you're Jackson Shayna Bayesler beaten Italian to mean a
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, what a time twenty twenty one was man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then of course Randy Orton defeated the fiend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You I think you can go into every single one of these matches.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every single one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And see a name in that match that is no longer in WWE.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that is, I think, well, it's out of outside of Kevin Owens and St. Zayne.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're still here.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you would have done the show two weeks ago, Kevin Owens would have been gone for a year and a half.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you had some thoughts on AEW, they continued MJF claiming to be the real world champion, not just the real world champion, but the one true champion.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you know what that acronym is.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's OTC Jeff Hawkins, what do you make of AEW Dynamite heading into their biggest show of the year, seemingly not focusing on their biggest show of the year?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing that we decided to add the Don Callos family into this few that doesn't need anybody in it 18 days before Wembley.
[SPEAKER_02]: And not just that, okay, so that opening probo save it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have Will Osprey being just unfocused and a downer talking about his dead grandfather.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kenny comes out and he's a jerk after saving Will.
[SPEAKER_02]: Will says I don't need your help when people are yelling that to break his neck.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's being petty and not cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you get heel swirf strickland, the return of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: where Nana sends Tony on his way and that it's a baby face pop with whose house.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then a heel ricochet comes in and heels on heel strickland to come away to leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then for your main event, heel death writer, John Moxley.
[SPEAKER_02]: overcoming the odds of the scrappy chunkle boy who was knocked out at one point and came back to fight back and just get submitted.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just I'm just amazed that they they continue this New Japan style.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey people are just in it for themselves and they're a part of their faction
[SPEAKER_02]: delineation is just absolutely screwed in everything and everybody just gives the excuse well but it'll be a good match or Dave Meltzer last night on that will promo which was bad going oh was the audience that sucked I was like no it was will that was bad on that promo if you had come out and been an ass kicker instead of talking about his dead grandfather for sympathy
[SPEAKER_03]: like for and granite you have a storyline where Kenny Omega's never been considered the best talker will osprey has been good but then other times he's not great you know just because he's a little bit oh I don't even know how to describe will osprey talking it's like you believe you know it's true but since every once in a while you kind of want
[SPEAKER_03]: You just, you just kind of want a little less sincerity if that's possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: And a little bit more focus.
[SPEAKER_02]: That and knowing your audience.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the other thing that comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He comes out, who's lost somebody tonight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are all Las Vegas locals.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's flying in for their show.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, these are, these are the people who only go to that one show a year, you know, they, they're not going to everything and they're probably, uh, not where was, where was AEW in Las Vegas?
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it on the strip at the palm?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so close, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It comes one where it's not on the strip, but it's like two blocks over or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe so, I believe that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's still close enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: You still have to go to Paradise.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not Vegas proper, and it's not right outside of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Still gonna get there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they're not going into the strip.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not staying at the hotels.
[SPEAKER_03]: You gotta know the audience a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, Graham, most of the time you're playing for TV anyway, so if people think Las Vegas and they think it's now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a bunch of gamblers and you're in the gambling town.
[SPEAKER_03]: So why not?
[SPEAKER_03]: But man, I tell you, like they need, they need a little bit of direction and focus.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have a keep-toddy con in line and focused and directed because I feel like, yeah, there, there's some big matches being built up for all in.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, you can't let all in become the show that just gets you through to all out.
[SPEAKER_03]: which is going to be in Chicago and obviously they're going to try to stack that as much as possible going up against the AAA show that looks like CM Punk is going to be participating in in some form or fashion.
[SPEAKER_03]: We still wonder if maybe Roman Reigns will be involved in some form or fashion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think there's any possibility that they give Pence at the title in Mexico City just to defend it in Chicago against Roman?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that audience in Chicago is going to be
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to be Mexico City obviously going to be hot and then you do the return and then you can use that as the catalyst for some type of fuckery with solos, the color Jacob fought to and really I didn't really think they were going to do that like up until I didn't think about either right until you just said it I went that's a great idea they should do because you don't really need to build up like a streak like Roman reigns isn't going to be a two year champion again and this is that he did the long reign you don't have to do that again so you can do some
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... there again uh... yeah i just i just don't know hey what do you think about carolene love it going to nxt