WEBVTT 00:01.478 --> 00:10.505 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, welcome to our after show, our wrap-up, I like to call it our credits, whatever you want to call it, it is our moment after Rosalbeach. 00:10.865 --> 00:20.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations, we have gone through a very emotional journey and ride and we've dealt with crazy things and we've met some crazy people and sometimes we've even been those crazy people. 00:21.133 --> 00:24.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Just to remember who we all are, let's go around and talk. 00:26.345 --> 00:27.345 [SPEAKER_02]: remind ourselves who we are. 00:27.385 --> 00:28.626 [SPEAKER_02]: So my name is Alex. 00:28.966 --> 00:35.709 [SPEAKER_02]: I am our GM and narrator for the fourth season of the ClearRFG podcast. 00:35.729 --> 00:37.350 [SPEAKER_04]: I am Kenzie Tartigleoni. 00:37.430 --> 00:41.112 [SPEAKER_04]: You all know my voice from being the creative director of the podcast. 00:41.132 --> 00:43.733 [SPEAKER_04]: But this season, I didn't have to do that. 00:44.093 --> 00:46.974 [SPEAKER_04]: In this season, I play Lou. 00:46.994 --> 00:48.795 [SPEAKER_04]: Our wonderful little timbo. 00:49.005 --> 01:02.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone, my name is Valian Dorian, I used to see him as tournaments, and I am a cast member with Season 4 for RPG, and I played O'Rean, who sees this here and pronouns out below the little siren. 01:02.934 --> 01:15.363 [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's me, hi, I am Dan Pixel, PYXEL, they them, and I have been the cast of this season of my London Roseville Beach, and I have been playing A-Lix Chow, the last 01:18.838 --> 01:21.480 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's the slow thing. 01:21.900 --> 01:26.244 [SPEAKER_04]: When you said that actually, I should have mentioned that, because that was fucked. 01:26.664 --> 01:27.945 [SPEAKER_01]: I love little monickers. 01:28.325 --> 01:35.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Monickers is like one of my favorite things, like giving things like moments and people like subtitles and label, I love it and it's my favorite. 01:35.350 --> 01:38.232 [SPEAKER_03]: And also, I'm Ash Westover, my pronouns are Sheevae. 01:38.453 --> 01:44.497 [SPEAKER_03]: I am a producer over here at queer PG and I've been the person behind the scenes screaming in my computer this whole season. 01:44.737 --> 01:45.958 [SPEAKER_03]: In laughter, in fear, 01:48.600 --> 01:52.624 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so I think a really good place to begin is with our characters. 01:53.425 --> 02:00.852 [SPEAKER_02]: I would just love to know a little bit more about why we chose to play the characters that we chose to play, and I'm going to throw in, give yourself a moniker. 02:01.192 --> 02:01.993 [SPEAKER_02]: Give yourself a title. 02:02.013 --> 02:03.854 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually did this with all the guest stars. 02:04.595 --> 02:09.900 [SPEAKER_02]: Before we got to really build out the character, they told me what their sort of title was. 02:09.940 --> 02:11.682 [SPEAKER_02]: They imagined it like a Scooby-Due episode. 02:12.282 --> 02:14.044 [SPEAKER_02]: So for example, when we had, um, 02:14.865 --> 02:18.226 [SPEAKER_02]: Granny, Nana, Nana rose on these shows. 02:18.246 --> 02:21.027 [SPEAKER_02]: So she was the fishmonger with loose lips. 02:21.587 --> 02:22.887 [SPEAKER_02]: So give yourself, yeah, I know. 02:23.888 --> 02:24.668 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know, I know. 02:25.028 --> 02:29.629 [SPEAKER_02]: Give yourself a Scooby-Doo episode title before you introduce her. 02:29.689 --> 02:30.830 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell us why you chose your character. 02:31.390 --> 02:37.312 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think loose title is just like the repair man. 02:39.192 --> 02:42.773 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that there's anything more to that than that. 02:45.912 --> 03:00.820 [SPEAKER_04]: This is what's so interesting about Lou actually is that she's this what nineteen seventies bush lesbian and then like half way through through the season I realized that I have just 03:02.297 --> 03:12.445 [SPEAKER_04]: made a character based on my dad, which is so cool and so, and like, me and my dad have a great relationship, so that's not like a weird thing. 03:12.926 --> 03:23.594 [SPEAKER_04]: But like he growing up, like my father spent his whole life doing maintenance work and like hospitals in a city of living homes and 03:25.018 --> 03:31.662 [SPEAKER_04]: to this day like he retired and then was like, but what if I start my own business to just help the elderly? 03:31.982 --> 03:37.305 [SPEAKER_04]: Like what if what if that's my and I was like, dad, you you're almost 80 years old. 03:37.365 --> 03:38.906 [SPEAKER_04]: You are now the elderly. 03:38.946 --> 03:40.507 [SPEAKER_04]: Like what do you mean? 03:41.067 --> 03:45.810 [SPEAKER_04]: And he just like does for no pay, like, he'll go 03:46.658 --> 03:47.899 [SPEAKER_04]: fix someone's plumbing. 03:49.440 --> 04:14.717 [SPEAKER_04]: And I just feel like that is the essence of glue and just this idea of like I want to help people and I want to fix things and even if I didn't know that that was like the spirit of my dad when I made the character it's really cool to end this and like recognize that and feel like a little bit of connection there I 04:16.821 --> 04:20.362 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel like you know you're down a little bit better now? 04:20.682 --> 04:21.883 [SPEAKER_04]: Consciously, yes. 04:22.623 --> 04:40.490 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think any of this was a surprise to me, but I don't think like what I was like six years old, I didn't recognize any of these qualities in my father and then now like doing this and being like, oh, oh wait, I grew up with a man who had 04:47.843 --> 05:09.672 [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like a, I've never had some, I've never played a character that was as personal in the sense of like being outwardly personal, like, I've played a lot of characters that are like embodying me, but I've never played something where I've been like, oh, I'm embodying this other person in my life, that's like, 05:10.732 --> 05:17.905 [SPEAKER_04]: a great person, it's those kind of cool to recognize in the last few episodes. 05:18.495 --> 05:41.148 [SPEAKER_00]: A reand like several of my characters start off as like a little whisper that became extremely insistent and loud in my brain until he was birthed finally because I remember coming into our kind of like earlier development sessions keeping an open mind whiny here what folks had in mind and 05:43.473 --> 06:02.560 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw the stranger, I saw beneath the seas, and then from there, I was like, all right, I guess I'm making a siren, a male siren, cool, and a lot of the things I wanted to tap into with, I'm going to say this and everyone who knows me is going to be like, oh, really, you did that. 06:03.481 --> 06:05.782 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm recognizing that right now. 06:06.791 --> 06:20.988 [SPEAKER_00]: I really wanted to get into the monstrosity of it all just like the rest of my characters that I do is that I delve into some level of monstrosity, this is my bag, but like genuinely I really wanted to engage with the like. 06:22.340 --> 06:23.982 [SPEAKER_00]: I really wanted to engage with Greek myth. 06:24.022 --> 06:26.004 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Greek myth is super interesting. 06:26.064 --> 06:31.729 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we've been given very interesting stories and perspectives on science. 06:31.769 --> 06:43.721 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to give my own that is really tied to Greek storytelling, as well as taps into the level of like strangeness and monstrosity. 06:43.921 --> 06:44.021 [SPEAKER_00]: And 06:45.042 --> 07:04.528 [SPEAKER_00]: feeling new things, and at the end of the day, and at the end of the day, like being face to the choice, and what do you do when you've discovered that you are more than you were, that you've ever thought you were, and that whatever answers you were hoping for your life just doesn't sit in any need category. 07:04.568 --> 07:07.869 [SPEAKER_00]: You just have to live with that complexity for the rest of your life. 07:08.509 --> 07:13.151 [SPEAKER_02]: Did Aryan end up being the kind of monster you envisioned when you 07:15.537 --> 07:15.737 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 07:16.498 --> 07:18.159 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely not. 07:18.399 --> 07:32.930 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a little room in my mind for a more sinister Aryan to really play into the more siren-like monstrosity of it all, the idea of like, 07:33.991 --> 07:42.322 [SPEAKER_00]: scheming and luring and tricking things being the sort of like trickster character, which I think he still was in the end. 07:43.343 --> 07:46.187 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think we went quite into that extent. 07:46.267 --> 07:48.290 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he became a different kind of monster. 07:48.971 --> 07:51.534 [SPEAKER_00]: And the kind of monster that he is is the 07:52.645 --> 08:10.255 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're just taking the whole stranger playbook and just going deep into the the little pillars of it right of the fact that like at the end of the day you are other at the end of the day you are like far more complicated than just being called monster and just being called human you are a weird mess. 08:10.895 --> 08:31.302 [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe the only place where you can be quote unquote like normal or like be seen as you capital capital why you is Roseville Beach because we have everyone here right from all sorts of backgrounds and I think that's the kind of monster that Perian ended up being he's fiercely 08:32.522 --> 08:48.971 [SPEAKER_00]: fiercely and primarily loyal and I think that's the like I don't think in the entirety of our episodes we like shine away from the fact that he will hiss and bite someone to protect the people he likes and loves, right? 08:49.672 --> 08:53.194 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that was the more of the months that we ended up seeing from him. 08:53.554 --> 08:54.474 [SPEAKER_03]: What's his moniker? 08:55.775 --> 08:57.436 [SPEAKER_00]: That's hard. 08:57.856 --> 08:58.597 [SPEAKER_00]: The silence. 09:00.017 --> 09:09.023 [SPEAKER_00]: He is the siren, but I'm also going to actually call him the false siren because he is sort of a siren. 09:09.043 --> 09:12.245 [SPEAKER_04]: I submitted a question about this that we'll get to later. 09:13.125 --> 09:13.765 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. 09:14.526 --> 09:16.947 [SPEAKER_00]: Terrifying audience questions. 09:17.468 --> 09:17.728 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 09:19.343 --> 09:21.464 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, audience to produce a question. 09:21.524 --> 09:24.384 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is producing audience, producing audience of one. 09:24.504 --> 09:25.625 [SPEAKER_03]: Many hats, many hats. 09:25.845 --> 09:26.465 [SPEAKER_03]: It's both. 09:32.686 --> 09:36.627 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the subtitle for A-lix is the brave runaway. 09:37.588 --> 09:46.690 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think with her, it's really interesting because what she, what, like, I had in mind when I built her, 09:47.530 --> 10:00.019 [SPEAKER_01]: was originally much more along the lines of a kind of heroic trope where it was like, you know, I mean, she's very much has like loner energy, but she's obviously not a loner, like she's so reliant on the people around her. 10:00.579 --> 10:03.662 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, or rather, she's like knows that they're kind of reliant on her. 10:04.362 --> 10:17.448 [SPEAKER_01]: in a lot of ways, but she was initially built as this, like, oh, I made a bad deal and I'm going to stand up against it and I'm going to fight it. 10:18.827 --> 10:30.730 [SPEAKER_01]: But this year, like when we were when we were really starting to do the character building for this, I think I was in the middle of like doing my writing my Candela one shot for Bad House. 10:30.850 --> 10:39.732 [SPEAKER_01]: And that one was heavily steeped in like this kind of storytelling that I really wanted to focus my aim on, which is what is 10:41.370 --> 10:47.513 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the mundane sort of monstrosity of love? 10:48.494 --> 10:57.058 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've been thinking about this a lot since, again, in the way that like people who know me are gonna go like, yeah, no shit, Dan. 10:58.959 --> 11:02.640 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've been on this sort of train of thought for storytelling really since our cane. 11:04.541 --> 11:05.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that this like, 11:06.122 --> 11:09.686 [SPEAKER_01]: love is neither good nor evil. 11:09.886 --> 11:14.731 [SPEAKER_01]: It simply is, and it inspires acts of good and acts of evil. 11:16.573 --> 11:21.298 [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes, horrid acts, but it also inspires bravery and cowardice. 11:21.778 --> 11:22.739 [SPEAKER_01]: It inspires a 11:27.574 --> 11:34.738 [SPEAKER_01]: it inspires acts of greed and selfishness and it inspires selflessness and protection. 11:34.938 --> 11:36.939 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, it simply is. 11:37.519 --> 11:45.123 [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing was, I hadn't initially thought of A-licks as someone who was a lover at creation. 11:45.523 --> 11:54.087 [SPEAKER_01]: And then at some point between first session or between like session zero and first session, I was like, oh, and I messaged Alex, and I was like, I think that the witch 11:57.156 --> 11:57.756 [SPEAKER_01]: was her lover. 11:58.617 --> 12:02.098 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what spark that thought, but as soon as I had it, I was like soaring. 12:02.258 --> 12:04.659 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like after that, that's where everything stem from. 12:05.759 --> 12:19.445 [SPEAKER_01]: And her story ended up going in such a strange way because I, one of the things that I'm doing with these characters where I like explore the mundaneity of love and its viciousness is, I don't know what they want to happen 12:26.431 --> 12:49.796 [SPEAKER_01]: both by the things that happened that from people who didn't know what her background was just circling around it like like they knew and we're trying to stab me through the chest and then what they would do that would provoke specific reactions from Alex that turned her to where she ended up and I thought that she was a very fascinating study and ended up being 12:56.968 --> 13:23.563 [SPEAKER_02]: was there a moment in play, whether that was from the sort of session zeros or any moment within the season that you, Dan and Alex were kind of surprised by the actions you took in response to it, not just sort of the surprise of love and its sort of mundane horror, but 13:25.831 --> 13:27.192 [SPEAKER_02]: how you responded to it. 13:27.732 --> 13:48.667 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, I think, and I will probably like come back to this over and over again, but the the arc with September was really one of the ones that like dialed in to everything that was like a dark mirror to Alex in term or rather a light mirror where September was doing all of this good for love and and evil for love, right? 13:48.687 --> 13:50.549 [SPEAKER_01]: She made the deal with compulsion. 13:56.737 --> 14:09.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it hit something in her so that when she, you know, pulled compulsion from her own tattoo and then did the same for September and September lost her memory of the person she loved at that exact moment. 14:09.782 --> 14:19.145 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember this very specifically as soon as you took the memory of Samera away from her at the exact same moment, Alex and I both went, you're giving that back. 14:20.000 --> 14:28.666 [SPEAKER_01]: you are giving that back because to Alex, that is what's the term, like that is unforgivable. 14:29.627 --> 14:32.469 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the moment where she's like, I will never trust this creature. 14:32.669 --> 14:40.155 [SPEAKER_01]: I will destroy this creature with everything that I can because to take that love from another person was so offensive to her. 14:41.508 --> 14:49.935 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that was a moment where I got to play it because, as well, I was in the same lockstep because I was like, this is the villain they're doing, they're, they're creating the evil. 14:50.555 --> 14:51.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Alex didn't care about the evil. 14:52.217 --> 14:56.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Alex cared about that action, but the two of us were both in a grievance on that action right there. 14:58.602 --> 15:03.586 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I, thank you for transitioning us so well to this sort of next question. 15:04.026 --> 15:08.970 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we'll really set up a lot of, uh, the, maybe some of the questions that we're going to be answering. 15:09.674 --> 15:36.418 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe some of the other things, I'm going to pass it over to you in just a moment, Ash, but I would really love to know, if what moments in the season, you keep coming back to that really tell the queer story or at least tell a queer story that you resonate with and a very profound way. 15:39.262 --> 16:03.189 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'd like to start by saying that making queer PG in general has been so open to queer stories that it almost didn't even hit this time around, like making queer story, but I think 16:06.703 --> 16:23.176 [SPEAKER_04]: as people who made this show, and as people watching it, is we weren't always fully connected to, but this took place in the 1970s, like four in general, and in Rosalbeach is in an 16:30.896 --> 16:32.877 [SPEAKER_04]: queer people were not allowed. 16:32.897 --> 16:50.189 [SPEAKER_04]: And my little tiny nod in this last episode to that by making my brother a bit homophobic was on purpose to just accentuate the fact that outsiders to this place 16:51.838 --> 16:54.879 [SPEAKER_04]: are not necessarily fully cool with the place. 16:56.919 --> 17:07.641 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think actually, this is the first time, and sorry, we're now, I'm shifting from that, Trinidad thought. 17:08.001 --> 17:17.303 [SPEAKER_04]: But I, yeah, I don't think that I have ever personally identified 17:20.470 --> 17:46.308 [SPEAKER_04]: but I think playing one fully shifted how I view my own queerness and my own gender identity maybe not like a grandio so I'm going to like come out against sort of way but just shifts my own thinking of how I view myself. 17:47.662 --> 17:54.147 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, which I think in any sort of storytelling is maybe the most part. 17:54.945 --> 18:19.112 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to tag in on the first part of what you were saying, Kenzie, because there was something in a little bit that I did, I chose not to pursue in that regard, because like again, recognizing what the era actually was, there was a point in time where I considered bringing up that like, in part of the backstory that I understood for Alex was that the reason that she was sort of 18:20.852 --> 18:29.180 [SPEAKER_01]: able or willing to to leave behind her old life to go and and be this which is a apprentice. 18:30.121 --> 18:44.935 [SPEAKER_01]: And in the first place and what it was that was so that that really like drew the power of them together in their initial phases was that like she was she was lesbian and she was not necessarily accepted by her parents or 18:47.117 --> 19:02.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that it was like she was outcast in the already and so the thought of being alone again was one of the reasons that it was like so it was one of the reasons she was so shut off when she first came to Roosevelt Beach. 19:05.458 --> 19:12.061 [SPEAKER_01]: But the more I ended up not going with that route, I don't know if I still considered in the subtext of her at all. 19:12.941 --> 19:21.665 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of those things where I was like, exactly like you were saying like this story between us was so implicitly queer just in its nature. 19:23.145 --> 19:43.691 [SPEAKER_01]: that I didn't necessarily want to distract from the tragedies and horrors that we were facing of the fantastical realm with the ones of the real world as like a either metaphorically or really because I wanted the story to be about those issues and not ones that we weren't able to fight as could these characters. 19:44.411 --> 19:48.093 [SPEAKER_00]: Plus one to everything, these two really admins have just said, 19:49.863 --> 20:05.095 [SPEAKER_00]: It was the same thing, and I do want to plus one to Kenzie here, especially with regard to the expansion of the experience of the wonderful experience of being queer, I feel as part of the community is how. 20:05.923 --> 20:14.189 [SPEAKER_00]: we can contain continuously multitudes of whatever feels good and right for us at whichever time feels good and right for us. 20:15.150 --> 20:17.492 [SPEAKER_00]: And Oriyan is no different in that regard. 20:17.712 --> 20:24.417 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not in any regard of regard consider myself a twink or subscribe necessarily to that. 20:24.437 --> 20:30.601 [SPEAKER_00]: So of like like you know all the labels and all that we have in the quick mirror but like playing Oriyan. 20:31.543 --> 20:37.538 [SPEAKER_00]: is deeply like healing and and wonderful for me because as a trans man. 20:38.700 --> 21:02.308 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the big things that I can constantly like gripping with is like the beating and the scope of masculinity and what that means and what other people perceive as masculinity and how the lens is overlap or what schism might make it incomprehensible to one another, right? 21:02.969 --> 21:05.790 [SPEAKER_00]: And playing a rean who is 21:07.623 --> 21:29.360 [SPEAKER_00]: a siren, who is a stranger to Roseville Beach, who is extremely fan-boyant, extremely effeminate, and is just like, you know, a queer stereotype in some regards, but for me, he contains like lots of multitudes of different perspectives and lenses of masculinity, which is 21:29.864 --> 21:36.246 [SPEAKER_00]: not something I get to necessarily explore all the time, but is a fun thing to be able to explore within a queer context. 21:36.286 --> 21:46.149 [SPEAKER_00]: And only I think we really done justice within a story that is unapologetically queer and is viewed and consumed within a queer lens. 21:46.489 --> 21:49.290 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the only way to consume this story, right? 21:51.337 --> 22:11.873 [SPEAKER_00]: and being able to have that exploration of masculinity has been really, really fun for me, very, very healing in embracing the softer, a feminine to the flamboyant, as well as the like protectiveness and the wildness and the monstrosity of it all has been deeply healing. 22:11.933 --> 22:14.675 [SPEAKER_00]: And I also want to plus one to the idea that like, 22:15.315 --> 22:23.012 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really glad that we put a big note on this, a big flashing note on this in the finale. 22:24.458 --> 22:45.455 [SPEAKER_00]: for Arian's finale, because it is the real world context, I think is really important this is in the 70s, and I love that moment between Arian and Oliver, where Oliver very explicitly points out that Arian speaks a lot about the things that are different about the two of them. 22:46.456 --> 22:52.342 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that is something that a lot of folks in Russell Beach understand, and I loved that touch. 22:52.402 --> 22:57.807 [SPEAKER_00]: So big start to Alex that would be like, I love that touch so much because it's, it's true. 22:57.927 --> 23:06.615 [SPEAKER_00]: And a re-insuring kind of is almost like a meta narrative of, uh, someone who is an experience who's still trying to understand what it is. 23:06.675 --> 23:09.518 [SPEAKER_00]: They feel why they feel it, um, 23:10.198 --> 23:33.796 [SPEAKER_00]: how they feel about the fact that they are feeling these feelings and is able to find that community and that safety and that space to be able to find out who he really is and to live his truth and to and and that's how I like to end the finale with like that open question of like I didn't want to say explicitly oh yeah a rean and all of her end up together and it's it's 23:38.132 --> 23:49.560 [SPEAKER_00]: By wanting to leave it open because I think the opportunity to explore and the opportunity to have that journey in of itself is the most important. 23:49.740 --> 23:54.504 [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's being able to actually have those answers for themselves and to ask it every single day. 23:54.524 --> 23:59.607 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's something you can do with queer storytelling folks, it's awesome. 24:08.250 --> 24:21.240 [SPEAKER_02]: Roseville Beach is such a unique setting because it is unlike any other location, truly, even if we take our present day. 24:21.581 --> 24:25.524 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a place of queer normativity, right? 24:25.624 --> 24:27.225 [SPEAKER_02]: That is the expectation. 24:27.886 --> 24:28.366 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't, 24:29.275 --> 24:42.103 [SPEAKER_02]: the stories of Roosevelt Beach are often not about fighting for your place to exist, often not about meeting to overcome some greater sort of force oppressing you. 24:42.123 --> 24:50.929 [SPEAKER_02]: They tend to become more personal and we get to see inside of people's lives, right? 24:51.349 --> 24:54.971 [SPEAKER_02]: Past what most people 24:57.490 --> 24:59.738 [SPEAKER_02]: See and hear, and into... 25:00.918 --> 25:01.979 [SPEAKER_02]: what is hidden? 25:02.219 --> 25:06.001 [SPEAKER_02]: What is often something that is struggled with alone? 25:06.721 --> 25:28.153 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is why among a lot of reasons, that is why compulsion was our primary antagonist for the show, was because I really wanted to explore what an island, what a community of such an accepting place, you know, what do we struggle with if we have all these sort of needs met, you know? 25:29.574 --> 25:37.898 [SPEAKER_02]: And we talked about this in-depth when it happened and after it happened and we'll continue to talk about it today. 25:37.938 --> 25:53.847 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure when we had September step into the lay line and take on this new form, we had the opportunity to listen to Candace talk about how that is 25:57.153 --> 26:03.554 [SPEAKER_02]: a personification of an older generation of queer people making the world better for the next one when they never get to see it. 26:04.234 --> 26:20.058 [SPEAKER_02]: And that to me is the most special piece of storytelling in general, but also queer storytelling, I got to experience in this season and it will stay with me, I think, 26:28.673 --> 26:29.054 [SPEAKER_04]: You go ahead. 26:29.194 --> 26:30.176 [SPEAKER_04]: No, please. 26:30.196 --> 26:31.278 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're about to say the same thing. 26:31.298 --> 26:31.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead. 26:32.801 --> 26:33.021 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no. 26:33.041 --> 26:35.525 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like, I have a host a story about a guy. 26:35.626 --> 26:36.848 [SPEAKER_04]: So go ahead. 26:37.569 --> 26:37.910 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean. 26:40.675 --> 27:04.583 [SPEAKER_01]: I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong 27:07.627 --> 27:11.310 [SPEAKER_01]: because that was also a turning point for the story as well. 27:11.631 --> 27:18.977 [SPEAKER_01]: Like the second that that happened, like apart from the way that it changed all of our characters in various ways. 27:19.037 --> 27:30.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was so defining for us as players that that altered I think how we were looking at end game because then it became apparent it's like, oh, 27:32.585 --> 27:33.927 [SPEAKER_01]: there's something more than us. 27:34.849 --> 27:38.034 [SPEAKER_01]: It is us, but it is, it is always more than just us. 27:38.675 --> 27:45.806 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the whole Lou Anne situation only happened because of what September grounded. 27:47.108 --> 27:49.309 [SPEAKER_04]: It literally would not have happened otherwise. 27:49.409 --> 27:56.151 [SPEAKER_03]: I want to hear from from Aryan and Val's perspective because you weren't there for for a September Browns. 27:56.211 --> 27:57.511 [SPEAKER_03]: Big, big, big thing. 27:57.551 --> 28:01.573 [SPEAKER_03]: So like, oh, so this is two separate questions, Val. 28:01.813 --> 28:03.993 [SPEAKER_03]: How have you been like absorbing it? 28:04.133 --> 28:09.115 [SPEAKER_03]: And then how does Aryan feel hearing about this event second hand? 28:11.837 --> 28:16.021 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the way that I've me vowed, I need to give you all context. 28:16.281 --> 28:19.624 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a thing and an appointment I'd go to immediately afterwards. 28:20.305 --> 28:26.170 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I had to hear all of this happening while I was in my commute and I just saw the distance. 28:26.190 --> 28:26.611 [SPEAKER_00]: The chat. 28:26.711 --> 28:27.692 [SPEAKER_00]: Popping on the left. 28:27.752 --> 28:29.113 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what was happening? 28:29.133 --> 28:29.954 [SPEAKER_00]: What's happening? 28:30.014 --> 28:35.018 [SPEAKER_04]: There is no way we can't just bring an energy that is unable to be contained. 28:35.498 --> 28:36.519 [SPEAKER_04]: That's it's true. 28:37.680 --> 28:38.982 [SPEAKER_00]: It's that's deep into it. 28:39.022 --> 28:42.745 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew like I knew Candace was about to rock our walls. 28:42.825 --> 28:45.948 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just upset that I missed a rocking like like 28:47.584 --> 29:06.881 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm certain that it was brilliant and wonderful because I know Kenna's work, but just see everyone's reactions like got me in a way of like this is deeply significant and as soon as I'm like in preparation for our next episode as soon as I was like briefed on why I had a current thanks to Alex and Ash in the background I was able to kind of like 29:07.925 --> 29:13.450 [SPEAKER_00]: internalized at moment in a way that is a chase and I think everyone else was able to be there. 29:13.630 --> 29:23.057 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of saw it as this brilliant, wonderful moment of storytelling and I wanted to weave that in with a rean as much as possible because I want to 29:24.323 --> 29:39.474 [SPEAKER_00]: This is such a pivotal and incredible moment in the storyline that as everyone has said, undoubtedly impacts everyone, even if a rean infection wasn't there, the ripples of it have to rhyme and have to impact the rest of the storytelling. 29:39.494 --> 29:43.818 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was trying to do in the in the prep for rean lead up to that. 29:45.099 --> 29:46.400 [SPEAKER_00]: So with like a rean. 29:48.186 --> 30:05.759 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the way I've thought about it in fiction is that I think of Rian as an great ancient entity from the depths is like acutely attuned I think to when there are changes to Roseville Beach and I think 30:06.580 --> 30:33.956 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a moment where Arian was like, things have changed, but I'm currently trapped and I cannot like compute that change in in a more conscious way, but the way that Arian process that was actually in the in that interaction with Oliver and being caged and feeling the attention with Halley. 30:35.060 --> 30:51.101 [SPEAKER_00]: is that ultimately that choice yes to make right of choosing love even if he like he didn't necessarily consciously know that that was what he was choosing but that was clearly what was fueling his actions and I think anyone in the audience who like listens to that episode 30:51.922 --> 30:58.946 [SPEAKER_00]: will understand that everything that's happening in that moment onward, that's fueling a Rean, that's hell, it was love. 30:59.006 --> 31:01.187 [SPEAKER_00]: It was love that he felt for all of her. 31:01.268 --> 31:15.776 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there was also the love and trust that he had in Alex and Lou in knowing that they will come for him, that he just needs to buy them enough time, but he knows and loves them enough to believe that they will come back for him. 31:16.797 --> 31:35.408 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and that was my way of having like that be true infection and continuing, uh, September Brown's legacy in our story, but also to have a rean be able to feel that moment in some way and to to make it real in that in that big individual scene, just like everyone else was able to. 31:36.328 --> 31:42.173 [SPEAKER_02]: I am going to pass it over to you, Ash, I need any big things you want to ask. 31:42.633 --> 31:47.257 [SPEAKER_02]: And then at the end, I just want to make sure we know at the end, you know, I love my favorite moments. 31:47.477 --> 31:56.625 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a little rapid fire favorite things for the entire season, so as we're answering these questions, start thinking about some favorite things. 31:57.465 --> 32:03.170 [SPEAKER_04]: I would right before Ash you go, tell my little story about my this guy that I know. 32:04.209 --> 32:26.140 [SPEAKER_04]: the guy and the reason I went to other stories because I think it's um he was a regular at a bar I used to work at his name is Terry I can put him on glass he doesn't care um he what I 32:27.511 --> 32:54.938 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh man, he was such a great person because I learned so much about queerness before I was born from this man and I learned a lot about different king communities through this man and the most heartbreaking thing he ever said to me was that he went to New York Pride 32:56.278 --> 33:04.223 [SPEAKER_04]: and left because he was shamed for wearing his full others because he's a other man. 33:05.664 --> 33:19.834 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think what's super important about this game and what I didn't want to perpetuate during it was alienation of queer people. 33:21.775 --> 33:23.396 [SPEAKER_04]: And I hope that by 33:25.318 --> 33:28.381 [SPEAKER_04]: that is the opposite of what we perpetuated. 33:29.362 --> 33:44.436 [SPEAKER_04]: But I just would like to take up this moment to call out the fact that there is still a lot of space between the old queer community and the modern queer community. 33:45.837 --> 33:49.621 [SPEAKER_04]: And those people are the only reason that we exist right now. 33:50.161 --> 33:50.442 [SPEAKER_04]: So 33:52.477 --> 34:19.979 [SPEAKER_04]: Shaming them out of being at Pride is crazy and he has so the stories that I've learned from him are so cool and so crazy and just so full of like this rebellious spirit that we haven't had to have until I think the last three or five years, you know, and it's something that we've lost. 34:20.958 --> 34:46.215 [SPEAKER_04]: And that is a generation that fought in one things, one rights for us, and I think just making sure that you don't forget your elders, and that the work that they did so honestly so close in history ago is pertainable now, we'll change your life. 34:50.110 --> 34:50.790 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's all. 34:50.871 --> 34:55.974 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a little PSA, but I just couldn't go without saying it because I think it's important. 34:55.994 --> 35:03.579 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason why it was very important to me that in the finale for the conflict. 35:04.919 --> 35:07.160 [SPEAKER_02]: Russel Beach all came back together. 35:07.180 --> 35:10.482 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's why we had guest appearances of all of our guest stars. 35:10.702 --> 35:25.989 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was very important to me as a storyteller to say, hey, we are only, not we're only strong, but we're only strong against forces that seem impossible when we are all on the same side. 35:26.049 --> 35:29.611 [SPEAKER_02]: When we're all working together and I, 35:31.252 --> 35:40.218 [SPEAKER_02]: that that I hope is the message that I as a as a GM as a narrator have left through this story. 35:42.560 --> 35:42.740 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 35:43.460 --> 35:44.341 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Ash, take it away. 35:44.621 --> 35:46.462 [SPEAKER_03]: So I just knew that was a beautiful thank you. 35:48.506 --> 36:00.275 [SPEAKER_03]: If anyone ever gets a chance to go by Stonewall on like a Tuesday at like 3 p.m. Tree, he's a 86 year old bartender and he was there when the Stonewall riots happened. 36:00.335 --> 36:01.757 [SPEAKER_03]: He's got amazing stories. 36:01.977 --> 36:03.358 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Facebook friends with him. 36:03.478 --> 36:04.799 [SPEAKER_03]: He's a phenomenal person. 36:04.819 --> 36:06.320 [SPEAKER_03]: I love his man so much. 36:06.600 --> 36:13.106 [SPEAKER_03]: Like, get legitimately just to echo what Kenzie said, get to know your queer elders, get to like hear their stories. 36:13.206 --> 36:16.088 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't let the art history be, you know. 36:16.668 --> 36:17.508 [SPEAKER_03]: lost to time. 36:17.768 --> 36:24.551 [SPEAKER_03]: It's up to us now to really be the the keepers of of this heart that we have to get in this community. 36:25.532 --> 36:33.215 [SPEAKER_03]: And so then before I start crying, the first question from the chat is Val. 36:34.195 --> 36:39.337 [SPEAKER_03]: So is there like one siren at a time like like when you had your boon off to the next 36:45.755 --> 36:46.916 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is about the boon. 36:47.436 --> 37:03.987 [SPEAKER_00]: That boon is for not just for sirens, but for like any creatures of the deep that may find themselves called to a greater world that they would like to know more about. 37:04.247 --> 37:12.412 [SPEAKER_00]: I think a re-encent that boon off S is sort of like, yes, it was a passing of the torch for the scenes, but it was also, 37:14.625 --> 37:28.539 [SPEAKER_00]: It was also a way for him to keep his story alive and acknowledging that he will not be the last entity from the deep that will be fascinated by humanity. 37:29.761 --> 37:33.505 [SPEAKER_00]: That is something that will likely happen again. 37:36.418 --> 37:48.242 [SPEAKER_00]: Whether this boon gets picked up by one siren, multiple sirens, multiple creatures of the deep that decide to manifest into one eldritch entity and hunt a nearby bank, who's the same? 37:48.582 --> 37:48.982 [SPEAKER_00]: Really? 37:49.282 --> 37:51.843 [SPEAKER_03]: No, man, we're all ready. 37:51.863 --> 37:57.905 [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, listen, I simply cannot get another ocean landlord. 38:06.302 --> 38:11.016 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I haven't, I have a bit of a follow-up question to this, and that is that. 38:19.660 --> 38:36.509 [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, I'm just like thinking out what you just said, and it just like this could be a more of a mechanics versus like actual fantasy debate, but 38:39.299 --> 38:58.074 [SPEAKER_04]: If you, if Aryan thinks that like a siren has to come up and take a place of somebody and like do this certain magic that a siren does, does that mean that when Aryan stepped away from that. 38:59.466 --> 39:03.110 [SPEAKER_04]: Like they became a completely new entity. 39:03.950 --> 39:16.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that was the, that was the implication that I wanted to set with, which is why like I wanted to have that scene with like clip so before our finale. 39:16.863 --> 39:33.879 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, to be fair, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co-lips, co- 39:40.455 --> 39:58.459 [SPEAKER_04]: All of her are like old and retired and he's like wait a second mom never told me this part Did you not see did you not see the epic the music or I didn't you made it before I Just just a rean's gonna like call up. 39:58.499 --> 40:09.342 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like mother you you were so problem That's not like I'm so I'm like I'm going to be like hey to have you read that you like My mom told me all about I don't need to like read the read the Odyssey and then he listed the music 40:10.322 --> 40:11.904 [SPEAKER_03]: Mom, it's of the cell phone. 40:12.164 --> 40:13.385 [SPEAKER_03]: Mom, what the fuck did you do? 40:13.425 --> 40:13.765 [SPEAKER_01]: Mother. 40:13.785 --> 40:18.750 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, also actually I wanted to leave that you mean to your lover. 40:20.887 --> 40:23.089 [SPEAKER_04]: You're the man that your mom is. 40:23.249 --> 40:25.931 [SPEAKER_03]: Daddy, Daddy, she's not here. 40:25.991 --> 40:27.312 [SPEAKER_00]: Daddy, she's not here. 40:27.332 --> 40:29.573 [SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, okay, let's get into all of that. 40:29.594 --> 40:30.574 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into all of that. 40:30.975 --> 40:33.797 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so, so, so, so this is my long con. 40:34.197 --> 40:37.419 [SPEAKER_00]: So, the reason, so, y'all weren't there when I picked the name of this year. 40:37.439 --> 40:39.040 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that was just like, okay, he's there. 40:39.060 --> 40:39.581 [SPEAKER_00]: He's there. 40:39.901 --> 40:41.702 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I was like, okay, I want to work back. 40:41.803 --> 40:43.444 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that I've chosen the name of this year. 40:43.464 --> 40:44.745 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm going to work backward now. 40:45.245 --> 40:47.307 [SPEAKER_00]: to figure out why that name was chosen. 40:47.928 --> 40:59.241 [SPEAKER_00]: And every other instance of like, sirens with Odysseus has been like, dang, maybe I should not use that, because he did just straight up a bunch, murder a bunch of you, so maybe not that. 41:01.123 --> 41:26.805 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think, and that's where the clip's so stepped in because I had written pretty early on that At the very least, Arian's mother's a sea witch And I looked through Greek mythology to see who were prominent sea witches And of all the, there were like three real candidates And between the three of them, Colibso made the most sense 41:27.866 --> 41:31.488 [SPEAKER_00]: especially with the fact that Arian has one always feel. 41:32.529 --> 41:41.794 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a siren who is like, wow, we, the human world needed to have enough context about humanity in order to feel that way. 41:42.275 --> 41:46.897 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think having clubs so be his mother made the most sense in that regard. 41:47.678 --> 41:52.261 [SPEAKER_00]: And with, and the reason why that whole Odysseus connection happened was 41:53.361 --> 42:03.149 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe, and I was trying to communicate this in the finale, and I believe that a Rien doesn't actually know the full story about Odysseus. 42:04.010 --> 42:18.662 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he knows, he knows the Greek myth, he knows the heroism and the harrowing journey, but I don't think he, because here's the thing with the Odyssey and also ethics retelling of the Odyssey. 42:19.762 --> 42:25.188 [SPEAKER_00]: right is that there are different versions of the relationship between the disease and collapse. 42:25.208 --> 42:30.414 [SPEAKER_00]: So that is something that is is complicated has very many different versions. 42:31.114 --> 42:41.486 [SPEAKER_00]: And because of that acknowledging all the different versions, I did not want to subscribe to just one and make it such that a rean doesn't know, but all he knows is that 42:42.661 --> 42:50.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Regardless, whenever he's heard that name, Caleb's only heard that he's heard, Caleb's only say it in a fond way. 42:51.688 --> 42:53.749 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was kind of like, oh, 42:54.851 --> 42:58.433 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what I'm feeling towards this moral man is a similar fondness. 42:58.913 --> 43:06.057 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I were to, I want to be able to say his name the same way my mother would say, someone that they loved, right? 43:06.577 --> 43:09.158 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's essentially where he was getting at with the whole clip. 43:09.178 --> 43:11.859 [SPEAKER_00]: So they, I saw everyone's faces the second. 43:11.879 --> 43:13.120 [SPEAKER_00]: I did the clips or reveal it. 43:13.160 --> 43:14.521 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Oh, wow. 43:14.561 --> 43:16.001 [SPEAKER_00]: This was, well, I know. 43:16.061 --> 43:16.482 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 43:16.562 --> 43:16.862 [SPEAKER_02]: So, 43:18.568 --> 43:41.839 [SPEAKER_04]: it went it went oh cool cool clip so oh shit he's talking to clip so oh okay yeah but like that was not the dirt to be cool yeah and you did it so well I'll try to turn you down a little bit here I'm gonna have to I'm gonna turn you down a little bit 43:48.442 --> 44:10.664 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say that you did such a brilliant thing with Clipson to answer, overall answer Ash's question, and Kenzie's question is that yes, that farewell to his mother was also a acknowledgement that from that point onward, he is something different now, he is a completely different beast. 44:11.565 --> 44:21.555 [SPEAKER_00]: And and by imparting that boon away, it's like one more of like that mythological aspect of himself that's that's leaving him and he's turning to something different. 44:22.536 --> 44:27.100 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah you you you mentioned in there that you weren't sure what 44:29.697 --> 44:36.061 [SPEAKER_02]: the ramifications of you being a siren and naming your love Odysseus was going to have. 44:36.602 --> 44:49.950 [SPEAKER_02]: And when we were doing character creation, I very intentionally asked you if you wanted to follow that story or at least a similar path or at least a similar Greek tragedy. 44:50.330 --> 44:51.251 [SPEAKER_02]: And you had told me, 44:51.991 --> 44:55.693 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I want to have something terrible. 44:55.953 --> 45:10.278 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to have a Greek tragedy, and so for you, Val, that is the entire reason why Halle's oven was killed. 45:10.298 --> 45:17.621 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the whole reason that the revenge of the sea was coming up is because it's following 45:21.983 --> 45:23.605 [SPEAKER_02]: I, you manifested. 45:24.566 --> 45:32.954 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love that you made that choice because I took it also as like another oceanic reckoning for a reason, right? 45:32.974 --> 45:45.206 [SPEAKER_00]: Because for me that's like there are several nails in the coffin that all not necessarily a strange him from the sea, but we're creating that schism between himself and the sea because 45:45.626 --> 46:03.066 [SPEAKER_00]: he knows and he grieves and as I was hoping to communicate that's that especially in the way he treated Halley, he's never been the one to immediately violently go after Halley because there is that level of guilt and grief that he feels and empathy, he feels for a sister, right? 46:03.827 --> 46:05.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Another one just like him. 46:06.373 --> 46:29.239 [SPEAKER_00]: but he has made this choice and he's bound himself to this mortal man who he will outlive and to these friends who he will also outlive and that is a schism he has to reckon with and that comes with the big choice of like he can't participate in this vengeance. 46:29.339 --> 46:32.080 [SPEAKER_00]: He is other by it even though he's impacted by it. 46:32.640 --> 46:41.125 [SPEAKER_00]: in on several fronts, and he has to live with those choices, because Halley's not necessarily wrong for feeling the feelings that she did. 46:42.206 --> 46:44.447 [SPEAKER_00]: She had her covered brutally taken away from her. 46:44.487 --> 46:47.289 [SPEAKER_00]: She's right to feel that amount of anger, right? 46:47.689 --> 46:53.152 [SPEAKER_00]: And really, what Arena was doing that moment was safeguarding those he finds dear. 46:53.653 --> 46:56.874 [SPEAKER_00]: And so was Halley, and that was the, I think one of the major 47:02.286 --> 47:10.775 [SPEAKER_03]: have a question for Dan, um, so will Alex ever find community in a oven or is she a solo witch forever? 47:11.376 --> 47:15.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God, that's, uh, I don't, I don't know the answer to that. 47:15.600 --> 47:24.370 [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't know the answer to that because, uh, initially like I coded her avoidance of ovens as her, like, 47:25.917 --> 47:31.879 [SPEAKER_01]: trying to avoid Estelle, specifically in any chance of Estelle finding her. 47:34.400 --> 47:38.221 [SPEAKER_01]: And that self isolation, like kind of built upon itself. 47:38.801 --> 47:52.106 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think part of the issue coming out of that is like I think there's a responsibility that she feels for the loss of the Coven of Roseville Beach because she was the one who made the first spell to undo the binding on the way line. 47:52.126 --> 47:52.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was her. 47:54.522 --> 48:06.630 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and because she did that, like there's a sense of, I won't say guilt, um, there is, there is, there is like a piece of guilt, but it's not significant enough to like color her actions. 48:06.850 --> 48:16.196 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that it is her responsibility, um, and I don't know that she has the capability to be. 48:17.257 --> 48:19.718 [SPEAKER_01]: in a coven that's not who she is a person. 48:20.538 --> 48:36.483 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think part of like what I was discovering as I was having her right in the Grimmar is that I think it's so personal to her that it's going to be something that she passes down solo if she ever is able to. 48:40.221 --> 48:49.554 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's I think that's how I want to phrase that like I don't know if I don't think she's going to go seeking someone to look to like succeed her that's not who she is either. 48:51.056 --> 48:54.041 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if there is something that presents itself to her. 48:55.703 --> 48:57.105 [SPEAKER_01]: And a way that like. 48:58.785 --> 49:09.234 [SPEAKER_01]: someone sets themselves apart, or sets themselves, or approaches her, then maybe she will consider it, but she's never going to like, I don't think she's going to found a cup of it. 49:09.794 --> 49:12.136 [SPEAKER_01]: I considered that path for her, but I couldn't justify it. 49:12.957 --> 49:16.479 [SPEAKER_02]: That's such a great take for Alex, because that is 49:17.545 --> 49:19.988 [SPEAKER_02]: ultimately how alex found magic, right? 49:20.128 --> 49:35.224 [SPEAKER_02]: I can I see a lot of I see alex taking on somebody who is only really taking on somebody who is extremely thirsty to go out of their way to find it, and not just happens into it. 49:35.705 --> 49:37.546 [SPEAKER_03]: Alex, have a question for you, actually. 49:38.661 --> 50:04.840 [SPEAKER_03]: um so what has been either the biggest change from when you first started prepping for this season or or if you had any specific plans or expectations that then got subverted wonderfully because the show of this the story is just perfectly everyone handled it but i wanted to see if there was anything in particular that you were like oh no we're doing a full 180 on this and and pursuing this other sort of line yeah i mean a lot of the show 50:06.648 --> 50:08.389 [SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of things here, right? 50:09.089 --> 50:16.853 [SPEAKER_02]: As a GM, or I like to use the word narrator, because I think that's a little bit more accurate to how I GM. 50:17.613 --> 50:26.057 [SPEAKER_02]: As a narrator, I really, I like to flow with community storytelling, right? 50:26.438 --> 50:29.039 [SPEAKER_02]: It is ultimately not my story. 50:29.099 --> 50:34.041 [SPEAKER_02]: It is everyone's story, and I'm helping guide it to where it wants to go. 50:36.022 --> 50:41.606 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's never something that surprises me when a turn gets taken. 50:42.006 --> 50:52.032 [SPEAKER_02]: And this particular season, I knew half of the show because I had written it with each guest star, right? 50:53.553 --> 50:55.015 [SPEAKER_02]: something that did surprise me. 50:55.035 --> 50:56.617 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll talk about a couple point points. 50:57.037 --> 51:06.368 [SPEAKER_02]: Something that surprised me right away is how the setup for the guest stars was done in such a way that 51:08.458 --> 51:11.921 [SPEAKER_02]: that had our guest stars almost as guest gms. 51:12.581 --> 51:29.233 [SPEAKER_02]: They came into the situation and they knew what was happening and they presented it to you and it was this beautiful, honestly, one of my most successful, like, let me set up a thing and have just the story go because that's what happened. 51:29.393 --> 51:32.716 [SPEAKER_02]: And it happened with every guest star and it was very fulfilling every time it did. 51:33.556 --> 51:34.997 [SPEAKER_02]: So that was something that was very, 51:37.690 --> 51:39.871 [SPEAKER_02]: that was very surprising and fulfilling. 51:40.972 --> 51:54.558 [SPEAKER_02]: And then as far as big story things, I, of course, could never predict the end of the middle of the end of September Ram. 51:55.118 --> 51:56.179 [SPEAKER_02]: I could never predict that. 51:56.239 --> 51:58.099 [SPEAKER_02]: That changed the entire story. 51:58.119 --> 51:59.300 [SPEAKER_02]: 100% it just did. 51:59.340 --> 52:00.701 [SPEAKER_02]: And that moment was oh, 52:06.484 --> 52:23.080 [SPEAKER_02]: Every story, every guest art, every session, every moment from here on out has to bring, has to show that Roseville Beach triumphs over this terrible thing and the way they do that is with love. 52:23.820 --> 52:31.788 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's love, I think a lot of people are going to hear that and assume I mean romantic love, but it can mean a lot. 52:32.286 --> 52:33.167 [SPEAKER_02]: It, it sure. 52:33.227 --> 52:38.972 [SPEAKER_02]: It means romantic love for, um, uh, you know, granny and Nana. 52:39.552 --> 52:42.915 [SPEAKER_02]: And it mean, or like, like, unfulfilled love after long time, right? 52:43.195 --> 52:44.977 [SPEAKER_02]: It means love for community for Lou. 52:45.037 --> 52:49.480 [SPEAKER_02]: It means, uh, you know, trust in people that we love for A likes. 52:49.740 --> 52:51.242 [SPEAKER_02]: It has a lot of context. 52:51.962 --> 52:59.368 [SPEAKER_02]: And that, that was, that was something that really altered the way that we had to go 53:02.207 --> 53:05.029 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know how he was going to be so important. 53:05.649 --> 53:14.595 [SPEAKER_02]: I always leave myself at about at the halfway point a moment to check in with each actor, which I did, right? 53:14.975 --> 53:23.041 [SPEAKER_02]: And kind of know where we want to go, but I also had a check in with myself and go, okay, what needs to finish being told? 53:23.141 --> 53:24.161 [SPEAKER_02]: What is EZ? 53:24.361 --> 53:25.582 [SPEAKER_02]: Something that is so important. 53:25.922 --> 53:26.643 [SPEAKER_00]: She love her. 53:26.763 --> 53:28.684 [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to tell her. 53:28.764 --> 53:29.285 [SPEAKER_04]: I love her. 53:29.325 --> 53:30.205 [SPEAKER_04]: What do I do with her? 53:30.385 --> 53:31.146 [SPEAKER_04]: What do I do? 53:32.507 --> 53:32.967 [SPEAKER_02]: exactly. 53:33.988 --> 53:39.172 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, yeah, so Hallie, Hallie, Hallie, Hallie, that's it, Hallie. 53:41.374 --> 53:56.005 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that I wanna just do a little piggyback off here in which we're talking about September Brown and Love and how we all like took that on for the latter half of the season. 53:56.606 --> 53:58.727 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think one of the biggest, 53:59.788 --> 54:05.955 [SPEAKER_04]: notes here is that for our listeners, I don't think that's going to be surprising. 54:06.155 --> 54:16.326 [SPEAKER_04]: For new listeners, maybe it will be, but we have despite the previous seasons having a lot of romance in them. 54:19.290 --> 54:22.172 [SPEAKER_04]: The literal end-of-the-all was never about that. 54:22.272 --> 54:28.195 [SPEAKER_04]: It was always about community and about found family and about that type of love. 54:28.736 --> 54:32.218 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think this just, like I don't think you have to worry about it at all. 54:32.318 --> 54:35.279 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it simply flows in with the rest of it. 54:35.880 --> 54:43.364 [SPEAKER_04]: And we managed to do that in a way that is really cool because, again, I think, 54:44.025 --> 55:08.203 [SPEAKER_04]: this finale of that was like I like Aryan wants to come back but like what loved he find and it was like obviously Lou and Alex like like obviously you know I mean like that's broke that was yeah he broke the spell as soon as it was cast because the very this is the thing I've been obsessed about since that moment I like 55:09.404 --> 55:12.686 [SPEAKER_00]: As soon as I made that deal with Halley, I was like, this fellow is broken. 55:12.746 --> 55:25.511 [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be like this bargain is broken, immediately upon being struck because he is literally doing this because he loves Alex and Luz so much that he believes they'll come back for him. 55:25.571 --> 55:31.373 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, it just, like that I think the understanding that like, 55:33.461 --> 55:46.015 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not saying that like all love can't be this way, but I think that there are so many different dimensions to queer love specifically that are very much highlighted in this season. 55:47.380 --> 56:05.502 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to I want to continue piggybacking off of that one because it's a really great like I was on a panel at Pax unplugged that was about like a queerness and nation storytelling at a table and we got to talking about like horrific creatures because we had. 56:06.463 --> 56:23.094 [SPEAKER_01]: Fabs and just being a bad house on the panel who I both love and adore very much and Joe said something that I keep coming back to and I I told her after the panel it's like this will stick with me for a very long time but it's this concept of an altarist relationship. 56:23.555 --> 56:32.521 [SPEAKER_01]: It is one that is neither romantic nor platonic and yet it is somewhere in between and it is about this intense devotion 56:33.921 --> 56:40.143 [SPEAKER_01]: And that can be something that is romantic, and that can be something that is platonic, and it can be neither, and it can be both. 56:40.544 --> 56:48.687 [SPEAKER_01]: But altars relationships fit into the spectrum of queer media quite frequently, and even in non-queer media. 56:48.767 --> 56:54.749 [SPEAKER_01]: And those are the places where queer people tend to look and go, that's gay, isn't it? 56:54.869 --> 56:57.990 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it exists because it's altars. 56:59.305 --> 57:09.811 [SPEAKER_01]: It violates the rigid boundaries that are set upon types of relationships between people, which is, I mean, don't like me get on my soapbox. 57:09.851 --> 57:12.653 [SPEAKER_01]: It's an inherently like fascistic concept, right? 57:12.673 --> 57:21.038 [SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to prescribe relationship rules and boundaries onto other people's relationships. 57:21.398 --> 57:34.466 [SPEAKER_01]: And Altar is, Altar's relationships by definition are queer both in the sense that they can be gay, but also they are ones that exist outside this boundary and violate that boundary. 57:34.486 --> 57:37.388 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a way that is rebellious. 57:37.688 --> 57:40.670 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is something else that comes at the heart of queer media. 57:40.770 --> 57:42.611 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, yeah, that's something that I agree. 57:42.651 --> 57:45.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we, that all of this skated that line, like very well. 57:46.273 --> 57:48.655 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the kind of stories that I think are very interesting to tell. 57:49.082 --> 57:58.990 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean, it really hits it on on the nose with our final scene of, because Lou, oh my gosh, Kenzie. 57:59.890 --> 58:01.792 [SPEAKER_04]: Mine's a blurring. 58:02.052 --> 58:03.213 [SPEAKER_02]: Where does Kenzie go? 58:03.293 --> 58:03.853 [SPEAKER_02]: I am. 58:04.194 --> 58:05.355 [SPEAKER_02]: I am Lou now. 58:06.295 --> 58:09.778 [SPEAKER_02]: You, you mentioned, and this is maybe a surprise to me too. 58:10.098 --> 58:17.064 [SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned that the expectation that people might have coming in is that it's going to be about 58:19.038 --> 58:38.142 [SPEAKER_02]: And not about sort of found family, which, I mean, I understand that for sure, and I think that we even probably presented that in the beginning is sort of like a false sort of start, right, and we got to the end of those stories, but what we ended on was not. 58:38.992 --> 59:05.353 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we got there because of our found family and we ended on this beautiful scene of the three of you fighting over board games in a very honest loving way and so it just it really is a through line that the four five six seven eight nine all of our guest stars and us have. 59:06.418 --> 59:08.419 [SPEAKER_02]: really successfully done. 59:08.499 --> 59:09.500 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really proud of that. 59:09.980 --> 59:17.103 [SPEAKER_03]: Alex, do you, I have further like little questions and things, but if you have any other questions on your end, too, I want to pass the ball back at you. 59:17.604 --> 59:20.085 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm a little break from some of the deep series questions. 59:20.805 --> 59:24.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and do you just some some fun, favorite things? 59:24.527 --> 59:26.388 [SPEAKER_02]: So normally I would ask right our favorite moments. 59:27.042 --> 59:36.606 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's insane to do for an entire season, and so I've broken them down into some categories, and we don't have to take a crazy amount of time to do this. 59:36.626 --> 59:42.088 [SPEAKER_02]: We can just we can go nice and and fast like you're driving a stolen car with these favorite things. 59:43.109 --> 59:53.393 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first one you actually prepared, which we might have touched on already, what is the moment you're going to keep coming back to as a person, not as a character, but as a human being when you think about this story. 59:53.791 --> 59:54.451 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah. 59:54.532 --> 01:00:06.279 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to go right now because I know already and it is literally the moment that Candace did the switcheroo on all of us and was like, oh, I'm sacrificing myself. 01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:14.465 [SPEAKER_04]: But the reason that I keep coming back to that moment is because it literally changed the direction that Lou was going in and 01:00:23.450 --> 01:00:26.171 [SPEAKER_04]: Lou was going to leave Roseville Beach. 01:00:28.312 --> 01:00:28.432 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh. 01:00:29.493 --> 01:00:32.394 [SPEAKER_04]: And it wasn't, and it wasn't like a mean thing. 01:00:32.434 --> 01:00:35.896 [SPEAKER_04]: It was just simply, oh, I've outlived my time here. 01:00:36.896 --> 01:00:39.377 [SPEAKER_04]: It's time to go somewhere else, sort of vibe. 01:00:39.877 --> 01:00:44.119 [SPEAKER_04]: And as soon as Candace did that, I went, well fuck me. 01:00:44.539 --> 01:00:45.380 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here forever. 01:00:47.625 --> 01:00:54.749 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, midpoint check-in was like, oh, I might be leaving, but actually get back to me on that. 01:00:55.210 --> 01:00:59.052 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was kind of crazy. 01:00:59.132 --> 01:01:02.254 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, well, Lou, I think we were thinking about, like, 01:01:03.034 --> 01:01:04.575 [SPEAKER_04]: Rosalbeach being a crutch. 01:01:05.156 --> 01:01:05.996 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:01:06.056 --> 01:01:09.339 [SPEAKER_04]: And then like two weeks later, I was like, no, she's staying. 01:01:11.160 --> 01:01:28.992 [SPEAKER_04]: So, uh, yeah, I do think that I do think that the September Rah moment and maybe it will be the same for everybody, but her, like, giving their life for Rosalbeach was just like a completely switcher room moment and lose life and completely 01:01:30.313 --> 01:01:33.574 [SPEAKER_04]: change the trajectory of where that story was headed. 01:01:34.134 --> 01:01:49.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to be, okay, so I was normally going to say that moment because very similarly like Alex, you know, I'm not saying she stopped running, but it changed the way that she looked at why she was running quite a bit, but I'm going to switch it up a little bit just so we don't get full repetition is that 01:01:50.598 --> 01:02:17.164 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to keep coming back to the, to the, uh, a reenalix fight because like that was cooking for like a full like episode in a half and and I was like an opportunity did not present itself to to actually like engage in it for a little bit, but the whole time like a looks couldn't stop thinking about it because it was, that was another thing that was like especially after 01:02:21.225 --> 01:02:34.951 [SPEAKER_01]: was kind of offensive to her, and in a way that like he couldn't possibly understand, there was no way that he could understand it, but that's what infuriated Alex about it all the more, is that like, why do you get to make that decision? 01:02:36.131 --> 01:02:44.895 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and I made it, and I did it for the right reasons, and all I've had for it is, is suffering, like 01:02:47.226 --> 01:03:06.505 [SPEAKER_01]: I it was like it was building for for just long enough and so like valid I were like talking before hand about like how we were going to knock it down and and I was just like I'm so ready for this I'm waiting for this I love that moment so much that argument because they're both right in different ways and like. 01:03:07.350 --> 01:03:14.519 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Alex didn't know the reasons why Euryan did what he did because he could not articulate it either, right? 01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:23.129 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, the reason why I made that choice is because he loved both of you and he trusted both of you all to be able to fix things, they just need a time, but in, 01:03:27.769 --> 01:03:45.470 [SPEAKER_00]: To avoid repetition, one of my favorite moments of this whole throw is the, the, um, Alex and a real grieving moment like that little morning section because I think that was a very, very nice. 01:03:47.432 --> 01:03:48.892 [SPEAKER_00]: exploration about everything. 01:03:49.012 --> 01:04:02.995 [SPEAKER_00]: All of the big, big moments that we've had, the big like winds and losses and the the combination of like grief and and othering and running away. 01:04:03.535 --> 01:04:10.417 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was it was perfectly mirroring and parallel to that argument that we had that we neatly tied into it. 01:04:10.457 --> 01:04:12.317 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was it's it's it's great. 01:04:12.357 --> 01:04:12.917 [SPEAKER_00]: We did good. 01:04:13.137 --> 01:04:14.277 [SPEAKER_00]: We did all good in that scene. 01:04:17.598 --> 01:04:31.025 [SPEAKER_01]: I am so I didn't know how we were going to get out of that and then you said the fucking lie and thing and I said the first thing that I'm in my head Which was how the fuck would it really know about lies was like, are you from the ocean? 01:04:31.606 --> 01:04:42.992 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I couldn't not think that and I just like did it But that was also like alex would notice and that was also alex's breaking point because she was like literally teetering on the edge of the whole fucking time 01:04:43.612 --> 01:04:44.373 [SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome. 01:04:44.393 --> 01:04:46.294 [SPEAKER_02]: That was excellent. 01:04:46.575 --> 01:04:48.716 [SPEAKER_02]: This is also a question for you and myself too. 01:04:48.876 --> 01:05:05.089 [SPEAKER_02]: Ash, I do want to go and I don't have any repetition here, because my moment I'm always going to return to is when Lou put out the shield and it cast in a protection charm for the 01:05:13.743 --> 01:05:19.125 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll let him go back to that moment when I tell all the story when I tell like stories from Rizal Beach, it'll be that in September, Brown. 01:05:20.265 --> 01:05:21.445 [SPEAKER_03]: So good, so good. 01:05:24.646 --> 01:05:30.808 [SPEAKER_04]: I think what's actually so funny about that moment is when you were like, what do you mean that you're not doing magic? 01:05:32.042 --> 01:05:36.826 [SPEAKER_04]: I was thinking about it. 01:05:36.926 --> 01:05:40.649 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, well, Luke calls us, so that's the magic. 01:05:41.250 --> 01:05:45.753 [SPEAKER_04]: And then what happens that she put in the ground, thinking this thing. 01:05:46.354 --> 01:05:48.556 [SPEAKER_04]: And thinking it's not going to happen. 01:05:49.116 --> 01:05:51.698 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you were like, what do you mean? 01:05:52.118 --> 01:05:53.099 [SPEAKER_04]: You're not doing magic. 01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:54.941 [SPEAKER_04]: It was like, okay, then I guess I am. 01:05:54.961 --> 01:05:58.944 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not magic though, but it's not magic though. 01:06:00.578 --> 01:06:02.359 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I wasn't going to let you get away with that. 01:06:02.379 --> 01:06:04.819 [SPEAKER_04]: No, but good on you. 01:06:04.839 --> 01:06:06.440 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you shouldn't have. 01:06:08.741 --> 01:06:11.301 [SPEAKER_04]: But glue is just simply not thinking about that. 01:06:11.341 --> 01:06:13.842 [SPEAKER_04]: So in that moment when you said, What? 01:06:14.262 --> 01:06:15.383 [SPEAKER_04]: Roll for magic I went. 01:06:16.683 --> 01:06:17.123 [SPEAKER_04]: What? 01:06:17.283 --> 01:06:18.584 [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, that's not magic. 01:06:18.724 --> 01:06:19.724 [SPEAKER_04]: That's just glue. 01:06:21.983 --> 01:06:50.497 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I also tell you like how fucking terrified I was that you were about to like let Lou Do my head to save the whole fucking beach because then I was like, okay, number one A looks will never recover and number two like I mean, she's about to do some fucked magic to stop like like get you back If you don't like I was like going through contingencies instant That was how that the beach but that was a thought that I had with her when she grabbed hold of the laylines 01:06:51.903 --> 01:06:59.266 [SPEAKER_04]: That was not here, I was like, oh, if she dies, if Alex is like, this is too much, then that's what it is. 01:06:59.367 --> 01:07:01.468 [SPEAKER_04]: But that was not the moment at the beginning. 01:07:01.488 --> 01:07:06.030 [SPEAKER_03]: Who was loose sense of self preservation this whole time and how the fuck did she get through this with that one? 01:07:06.410 --> 01:07:07.090 [SPEAKER_03]: Like. 01:07:08.671 --> 01:07:09.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Hi, that's a great thing. 01:07:09.631 --> 01:07:10.652 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, you know what? 01:07:10.672 --> 01:07:11.252 [SPEAKER_03]: It's Felix. 01:07:11.412 --> 01:07:13.093 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's truly the thing, yeah. 01:07:13.113 --> 01:07:14.154 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we lost Belle. 01:07:14.394 --> 01:07:15.314 [SPEAKER_03]: Belle, my darling. 01:07:16.735 --> 01:07:17.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 01:07:17.995 --> 01:07:18.436 [SPEAKER_03]: And then Ash. 01:07:22.994 --> 01:07:25.275 [SPEAKER_00]: Help, I'm being censored. 01:07:25.515 --> 01:07:29.656 [SPEAKER_03]: So I am such a big sucker for found family. 01:07:30.856 --> 01:07:37.377 [SPEAKER_03]: It is one of my favorite tropes in everything and it hits especially hard and queer media for me personally. 01:07:38.158 --> 01:07:51.941 [SPEAKER_03]: And in this, everything needed, at this whole season, I felt like led up to the moment where Lou asked if Ari and an A-lix were going to stay. 01:07:53.353 --> 01:07:57.619 [SPEAKER_03]: And just that moment when Lou realized 01:07:59.063 --> 01:08:05.765 [SPEAKER_03]: it was never even a question in these two people's minds that they were going to stay with her and that they are now a family. 01:08:05.785 --> 01:08:12.968 [SPEAKER_03]: I would, hey guys, hey, you three mother fuckers sitting there grinning at your ear, you two Alex, you're not innocent. 01:08:13.308 --> 01:08:14.288 [SPEAKER_03]: I was sobbing. 01:08:15.128 --> 01:08:16.649 [SPEAKER_03]: And it was rough. 01:08:17.549 --> 01:08:23.151 [SPEAKER_04]: They could have said no, I couldn't, I didn't said that they could have said what I'm going to go. 01:08:23.791 --> 01:08:45.733 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't know, but what's I, I love that and I'll also say, uh, as it, like a sort of like a little cheeky moment from for me is I love when they're like late motifs like like a little something that like is the very first episode and the very last episode and I love the the same of a fucked up dog. 01:08:46.782 --> 01:08:55.869 [SPEAKER_03]: Throughout, I say that as I drink from my uranium glass cup, it's just so, it's so, it's good. 01:08:56.290 --> 01:08:58.632 [SPEAKER_03]: Ash herself is a fucked up dog. 01:08:59.192 --> 01:09:00.933 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like this. 01:09:01.013 --> 01:09:01.814 [SPEAKER_03]: That's a great question. 01:09:01.834 --> 01:09:04.536 [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want chronological alphabetical reasons? 01:09:04.596 --> 01:09:05.377 [SPEAKER_03]: Like what do we do? 01:09:05.497 --> 01:09:14.224 [SPEAKER_04]: I was actually so concerned as Kenzie about the fucked up dogs because all of a sudden, auntie was leaving. 01:09:14.384 --> 01:09:14.845 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, 01:09:15.678 --> 01:09:35.360 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, who's careous for the Yeah, the rest of the question is my assumption was that if Antie was leaving grandma Rose is leaving with her So yeah, that's why I was like will source this later like we'll finish it out Alex is not going to take on more than she's taken on already that was That was something I came to in the moment 01:09:36.217 --> 01:09:43.460 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, this is right, she's, it's time for her to move away from Rosalbeach because it hasn't served for any more. 01:09:45.060 --> 01:09:46.781 [SPEAKER_02]: No idea where their story goes. 01:09:47.001 --> 01:09:50.382 [SPEAKER_02]: I think their story is like chasing FBI agents. 01:09:50.402 --> 01:09:52.563 [SPEAKER_02]: We're about to say, right, a little alien. 01:09:52.623 --> 01:09:56.024 [SPEAKER_03]: Audio dramas, yeah, half of this, about anti-increma. 01:09:56.304 --> 01:09:57.644 [SPEAKER_03]: That's the next thing for queer PGA. 01:09:57.664 --> 01:09:58.625 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much, everyone. 01:09:58.645 --> 01:10:00.285 [SPEAKER_03]: That's what this was all about. 01:10:03.449 --> 01:10:25.329 [SPEAKER_02]: oh my god um so i do i do have another another favorite thing here uh and this one is a little bit uh a little bit different what was your favorite mystery i really liked the act because episode that was yeah i i agree what a hundred percent to be a little bit especially oh yeah go ahead no no you finish 01:10:25.838 --> 01:10:32.003 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I was going to say it's like, thank you for giving for like co making that wonderful episode. 01:10:32.023 --> 01:10:41.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, because I just wanted an opportunity to finally ask if someone was handsome and I was so happy that it was gift wrapped to me. 01:10:42.592 --> 01:10:46.414 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was like, yes, I can ask it the question. 01:10:46.454 --> 01:10:49.755 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a theme and this is the case when there's someone. 01:10:49.935 --> 01:10:50.416 [SPEAKER_03]: There's one. 01:10:50.536 --> 01:10:52.977 [SPEAKER_04]: Usually usually when I put it. 01:10:54.137 --> 01:10:54.758 [SPEAKER_04]: Is she hot? 01:10:55.558 --> 01:10:56.258 [SPEAKER_04]: Is she hot? 01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:59.280 [SPEAKER_04]: Every time I say a single NBC. 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:00.640 [SPEAKER_04]: So you know, good for you. 01:11:00.661 --> 01:11:02.962 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for picking up that mantle for this season. 01:11:03.042 --> 01:11:03.982 [SPEAKER_04]: Is he handsome? 01:11:04.162 --> 01:11:05.003 [SPEAKER_04]: It happens to you. 01:11:06.297 --> 01:11:09.538 [SPEAKER_02]: You are welcome one time in the whole season. 01:11:09.578 --> 01:11:14.099 [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to just show good, honestly, so refreshing. 01:11:14.799 --> 01:11:18.641 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all for having the respect for not asking if my ex-wife was hot. 01:11:19.681 --> 01:11:21.481 [SPEAKER_01]: Like an hour before she died. 01:11:21.501 --> 01:11:22.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, she's a villain. 01:11:22.902 --> 01:11:23.942 [SPEAKER_03]: I was fat. 01:11:24.162 --> 01:11:24.862 [SPEAKER_03]: I was fat. 01:11:24.882 --> 01:11:25.522 [SPEAKER_03]: I was fat. 01:11:25.562 --> 01:11:28.143 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, no, this just sad. 01:11:28.383 --> 01:11:28.623 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:11:28.643 --> 01:11:29.684 [SPEAKER_03]: The same thing. 01:11:30.564 --> 01:11:32.965 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that Atticus was a great episode. 01:11:34.665 --> 01:11:36.447 [SPEAKER_04]: like a hundred percent. 01:11:37.228 --> 01:11:49.140 [SPEAKER_04]: I think specifically though did not piggyback off that is the moment when 01:11:51.161 --> 01:12:09.512 [SPEAKER_04]: Kai came in and described the turning a man into a tree and then like the refinements later, Rosalbeach was being overrun by trees like that whole sort of like block of time. 01:12:10.552 --> 01:12:11.653 [SPEAKER_04]: I think for me was it. 01:12:13.451 --> 01:12:26.488 [SPEAKER_01]: That was that was a phenomenal one and also we we haven't we haven't mentioned a lot of of his works so far in the in his post But like chi come again and being so willing like to push our fucking buttons 01:12:29.652 --> 01:12:37.257 [SPEAKER_01]: They came in to provoke to the shit out of Alex and I immediately told him afterwards I was like this was so much fun. 01:12:37.638 --> 01:12:37.918 [SPEAKER_01]: Do this. 01:12:37.978 --> 01:12:43.802 [SPEAKER_04]: I should give a shout out just to all of our guests ours who were incredible. 01:12:44.662 --> 01:12:52.268 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, truly like left a lasting impression on how this story of this season developed. 01:12:53.424 --> 01:13:04.592 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and that's so fun and so cool, uh, but yeah, no, speaking of like the latest, yeah, Kai really, I shouldn't have warned you all more. 01:13:04.652 --> 01:13:06.113 [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't do all of this. 01:13:06.994 --> 01:13:15.319 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I tell you, like I saw his name on the gas list at the beginning and I immediately got terrified. 01:13:16.980 --> 01:13:24.185 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I told her about my siren very briefly is like, I'm going to wreck that twig and I was like, okay. 01:13:25.506 --> 01:13:25.686 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 01:13:26.366 --> 01:13:33.291 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I also just like confide in you all one of my deepest fears that I'm kind of glad did not come to fruition because I would have passed away. 01:13:34.786 --> 01:13:43.577 [SPEAKER_01]: So the name Estelle came from random number gen or random fantasy name generator because this entire season is sponsored by fantasy name generator. 01:13:43.597 --> 01:13:44.839 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you fantasy name generator. 01:13:45.019 --> 01:13:45.479 [SPEAKER_03]: Shut up. 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:46.921 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll go back to session zero. 01:13:46.941 --> 01:13:49.304 [SPEAKER_03]: I'll go back to session zero. 01:13:51.707 --> 01:14:07.318 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, and I pulled that name and like a week or so later I was thinking about it and I was like scrolling through and I saw, like, that's when Kai followed me and I saw Kai's username and my brain did stupid word association and I was like, I swear to God. 01:14:08.570 --> 01:14:11.912 [SPEAKER_01]: If this motherfucker plays my ex-wife, I will die. 01:14:12.793 --> 01:14:14.634 [SPEAKER_01]: I will simply die. 01:14:14.754 --> 01:14:16.736 [SPEAKER_01]: I will never cover as a human being. 01:14:16.756 --> 01:14:20.358 [SPEAKER_01]: I will, I will, I will look down on what's his handle. 01:14:20.599 --> 01:14:24.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I was a stellar one. 01:14:27.361 --> 01:14:40.791 [SPEAKER_01]: I, like, my brain put that past and I was like, no, don't think about that, Dan, don't think about that, Dan, because you're going to, you'll, you'll like be so terrified when it does like, like, if it, like, you'll just lose your shit, and I was like, okay, no, it's not real. 01:14:41.011 --> 01:14:41.551 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not real. 01:14:41.891 --> 01:14:44.393 [SPEAKER_01]: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Kai play. 01:14:44.413 --> 01:14:45.774 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why Ben P. C. You never got a real. 01:14:45.794 --> 01:14:46.074 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not real. 01:14:46.094 --> 01:14:46.655 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not real. 01:14:47.255 --> 01:14:47.675 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not real. 01:14:47.715 --> 01:14:48.096 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not real. 01:14:48.116 --> 01:14:48.496 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not real. 01:14:50.927 --> 01:14:52.187 [SPEAKER_01]: Kaisel isn't real. 01:14:52.427 --> 01:14:53.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Kaisel hit me in other ways. 01:14:53.788 --> 01:14:54.368 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine. 01:14:54.568 --> 01:14:56.009 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:14:56.449 --> 01:14:57.609 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but not not way. 01:14:57.789 --> 01:14:58.529 [SPEAKER_01]: Not in that way. 01:14:59.870 --> 01:15:01.110 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you have a favorite mystery? 01:15:04.051 --> 01:15:04.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Damn. 01:15:04.491 --> 01:15:05.051 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 01:15:05.111 --> 01:15:05.291 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:15:05.331 --> 01:15:07.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I definitely agree with the Atticus one. 01:15:07.192 --> 01:15:07.732 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that one. 01:15:07.852 --> 01:15:10.613 [SPEAKER_01]: The the the burnt opera house was one of the ones where I was like, 01:15:12.386 --> 01:15:32.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Shit was like very real in a very different way and it was also like we established really early on that magic was very powerful like magic roles in this game are stupid powerful and Frankly, Alex could not do much there and that was so thrilling like that was so deeply thrilling where I was like, oh, panic is setting in because magic no work. 01:15:32.855 --> 01:15:39.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 01:15:39.945 --> 01:15:45.412 [SPEAKER_04]: or dislocate her arm and hanging off like cliffhanger or after a hundred feet down. 01:15:45.472 --> 01:15:52.681 [SPEAKER_02]: So you know like oh yeah I just had another I had a a great transition into another favorite thing and then we'll we'll push back to US. 01:15:53.002 --> 01:15:53.702 [SPEAKER_02]: Pass it back to you. 01:15:53.722 --> 01:15:54.523 [SPEAKER_02]: Not push it back to you. 01:15:54.784 --> 01:15:55.545 [SPEAKER_02]: Pass it back to you. 01:15:57.447 --> 01:15:58.508 [SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about magic rules. 01:15:58.848 --> 01:16:02.471 [SPEAKER_02]: What were some of our favorite mechanics from the actual game? 01:16:02.571 --> 01:16:03.772 [SPEAKER_02]: Travel that. 01:16:03.792 --> 01:16:04.793 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what it is. 01:16:04.933 --> 01:16:05.934 [SPEAKER_02]: Travel that. 01:16:06.434 --> 01:16:07.695 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that travel die. 01:16:07.715 --> 01:16:09.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, what did you the world travel die on every single roll? 01:16:10.077 --> 01:16:10.297 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey. 01:16:10.477 --> 01:16:13.439 [SPEAKER_01]: Fucking travel die changed everything. 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:16.602 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey guys, why did you start out at a 10 with that? 01:16:17.950 --> 01:16:20.953 [SPEAKER_03]: from the fucking episode. 01:16:21.194 --> 01:16:23.176 [SPEAKER_01]: I trust in you. 01:16:23.396 --> 01:16:24.897 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not hold on hold on. 01:16:25.098 --> 01:16:27.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not place the blame of all of us. 01:16:27.460 --> 01:16:29.342 [SPEAKER_01]: What's up, place the blame on all of us right out the bat? 01:16:30.063 --> 01:16:33.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Who would like to rate their hand and remember who fucking started this one off? 01:16:33.867 --> 01:16:36.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Who railed the first treble die in the first episode? 01:16:37.210 --> 01:16:38.111 [SPEAKER_01]: Who started that one? 01:16:39.633 --> 01:16:41.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, was it me? 01:16:41.794 --> 01:16:42.655 [SPEAKER_01]: It was you. 01:16:42.675 --> 01:16:56.164 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what the gate you're like, oh, what just would, like Another one and the great thing about this is the good thing about this is you go, you go. 01:16:56.184 --> 01:17:01.888 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, these are all pretty good rolls This one's just fine I'll roll a trouble die 01:17:06.088 --> 01:17:09.870 [SPEAKER_01]: Instantaneously brings Bobby that that was like that brought Bobby into the play. 01:17:09.990 --> 01:17:10.550 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:17:10.570 --> 01:17:11.230 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 01:17:11.290 --> 01:17:23.895 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I think what's interesting to about that is Until like the last maybe three episodes, Lou wrote the worst roles that could ever have been 01:17:28.715 --> 01:17:31.617 [SPEAKER_04]: which is like, honestly, maybe on par. 01:17:32.077 --> 01:17:38.821 [SPEAKER_04]: I think like, I love the Rosalbeach native or whatever it is. 01:17:39.721 --> 01:17:44.624 [SPEAKER_04]: I love having a thousand jobs and not a single skill or magic. 01:17:44.884 --> 01:17:46.405 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's so fun. 01:17:46.925 --> 01:17:49.386 [SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's so fun to start out like that. 01:17:49.847 --> 01:17:53.328 [SPEAKER_04]: And then it was so cool to see the growth in that. 01:17:53.889 --> 01:17:57.351 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think my favorite mechanic was just like, 01:17:59.171 --> 01:18:03.413 [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, maybe that one time when I was joking, and I was like, botany? 01:18:03.433 --> 01:18:21.521 [SPEAKER_04]: It might have been one of my favorite moments, because clearly, clearly, Lou has the botany skill in something that never uses, so there was like a single moment, and I was like, could I do this? 01:18:23.865 --> 01:18:40.329 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think that I think that it's actually, sorry, related to skills, but my actual favorite mechanic was in the level up sort of vibe that we had, the advancements that we did in which we could share skills that's actually love to that I thought that was so cool. 01:18:40.489 --> 01:18:46.250 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought like working with these people like getting their skills is like such a cool thing. 01:18:46.370 --> 01:18:50.391 [SPEAKER_03]: I really love like being given sort of a blank slate of the town and being able to like. 01:18:51.195 --> 01:18:52.556 [SPEAKER_03]: make it and put it together yourself. 01:18:52.776 --> 01:18:54.016 [SPEAKER_03]: I love world building. 01:18:54.176 --> 01:18:55.157 [SPEAKER_03]: I love character creation. 01:18:55.177 --> 01:18:56.137 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love the world building. 01:18:56.197 --> 01:18:57.358 [SPEAKER_03]: I love the film industry. 01:18:57.418 --> 01:19:02.300 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a separate game, but like the town itself, they're like, choose what to do and where to put things. 01:19:02.360 --> 01:19:04.181 [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that's super super fun. 01:19:04.508 --> 01:19:07.931 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that's the the troubles and the allies. 01:19:08.171 --> 01:19:11.494 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't see a lot of the initial allies we created. 01:19:11.534 --> 01:19:13.195 [SPEAKER_02]: We did see some of them. 01:19:13.235 --> 01:19:18.139 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of them were very featured and some never showed up, but that's kind of the how the game goes. 01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:23.924 [SPEAKER_02]: You make a bunch of things and then you pick the things that are gonna really stick. 01:19:24.245 --> 01:19:29.589 [SPEAKER_01]: I do love the fact that magic always forces you to roll for complication and the threshold is very high. 01:19:30.189 --> 01:19:31.571 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was very fascinating. 01:19:33.907 --> 01:19:42.209 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I made kind of a meme of it, but I actually did want to fail a few magic roles and I don't think I ever rolled low enough to like, just a five in your nose. 01:19:42.829 --> 01:19:44.950 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked my dice and smoking glugans dice like spit. 01:19:45.490 --> 01:19:46.931 [SPEAKER_01]: I, there's nothing I can do about that. 01:19:47.391 --> 01:19:48.331 [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta take it up with Whitney. 01:19:50.432 --> 01:19:56.613 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I really love that that part of that mechanic like always puts you at risk. 01:19:57.593 --> 01:19:59.374 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, 01:20:01.145 --> 01:20:04.269 [SPEAKER_01]: that puts you into situations where everything can go wrong. 01:20:04.990 --> 01:20:19.429 [SPEAKER_01]: And at a certain point, it stopped being like, I started pressing, I was willing to take more failures in other aspects as I rolled, where I would like roll low, but I would still have something out clear magic, specifically because it started making less and less sense for alex to mess up magic in those situations. 01:20:20.524 --> 01:20:42.829 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I didn't like finding for me like finding the way to be narratively consistent with her in that in those roles was I think very fascinating and it built a lot of who she became that is actually a great and that is a great thing you're putting out there because I did not realize how cool this system is until I started playing it every week. 01:20:51.353 --> 01:20:57.697 [SPEAKER_02]: The game tells you what success looks like, or the GM tells you what success looks like. 01:20:58.178 --> 01:21:09.946 [SPEAKER_02]: But in Rosalbeach, you have complete control other than rolling some dice to say, this is what I am going to succeed at, and this is what I'm going to fail at. 01:21:10.506 --> 01:21:17.591 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, like I think there's one point, Kenzie where you're like where you said, I don't care if I succeed in this, I want a clue. 01:21:21.273 --> 01:21:31.356 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is so neat, I actually recommend this game as a few, I have a few RPGs I think that are really good for first-time GMs. 01:21:31.676 --> 01:21:32.417 [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of them. 01:21:32.777 --> 01:21:40.079 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think it was super fun to be able to be like, well, do we want to succeed in my goal or do I don't learn something? 01:21:40.679 --> 01:21:46.641 [SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes, learning something was more advantageous than succeeding on what I was trying to do. 01:21:47.040 --> 01:21:53.618 [SPEAKER_01]: This is for Alex because I, I could never conjure this and I am deeply curious. 01:21:54.948 --> 01:21:55.508 [SPEAKER_01]: Why? 01:21:56.069 --> 01:21:58.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like, I gave you this whole, this whole thing. 01:21:59.051 --> 01:22:00.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a general thing. 01:22:00.432 --> 01:22:05.617 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, tell this story at all actually. 01:22:05.637 --> 01:22:12.582 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when I gave you like the sort of like, oh, here's like, it's an awful choice to make for a great. 01:22:13.343 --> 01:22:16.966 [SPEAKER_01]: I never, I chose to never, I was like, A-licks doesn't know the reason. 01:22:17.326 --> 01:22:18.888 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, A-licks shouldn't know. 01:22:19.068 --> 01:22:22.831 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she bothered to learn why a still wanted her to do that. 01:22:23.858 --> 01:22:35.683 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so curious, like, what the cost was in your brain, and what the necessity of it was like, why was she insistent that it needed to happen? 01:22:35.823 --> 01:22:36.984 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a great question. 01:22:37.044 --> 01:22:47.368 [SPEAKER_02]: So similarly to how you had a different idea in your head of who this person was to Alex and then who they became, 01:22:47.937 --> 01:22:50.738 [SPEAKER_02]: I went on that same journey with you because I was right in that world building, right? 01:22:51.118 --> 01:23:13.342 [SPEAKER_02]: And so originally, we, I mean, the original concept is totally alien to what it became because it was very heroic fantasy, you know, it was very like very much of this is a spirit or an it, some sort of creature that just is not good for the world and like I have to run away from it because it's going to, it's going to be a bad thing. 01:23:16.630 --> 01:23:24.273 [SPEAKER_02]: It introduced them as being your love interest, and I knew when that happened that it was going to be a throughline for the entire show. 01:23:24.933 --> 01:23:32.496 [SPEAKER_02]: I did not know what that was going to look like, but I did know it was going to be foundational to the story of Rose Will Beach. 01:23:34.916 --> 01:23:38.798 [SPEAKER_02]: Episode 3 came along when we introduced a cell. 01:23:39.813 --> 01:23:41.915 [SPEAKER_02]: And I still do not, I'm going to be honest, I didn't know. 01:23:41.935 --> 01:23:43.356 [SPEAKER_02]: I knew I didn't need to know. 01:23:43.736 --> 01:23:45.357 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't need to know about Hat until halfway through. 01:23:45.878 --> 01:23:55.485 [SPEAKER_02]: One, we had, I think both collectively a little bit more understanding about who this person is and what we want this person to be. 01:23:55.865 --> 01:23:57.066 [SPEAKER_02]: And so by the end of, 01:23:59.428 --> 01:24:14.783 [SPEAKER_02]: But once we got to the to a still in the finale, I knew that I wanted her to be sort of an echo, a foil to September Brown and Samira. 01:24:14.803 --> 01:24:18.847 [SPEAKER_02]: And that terrible choice that she had to make, right? 01:24:19.467 --> 01:24:21.689 [SPEAKER_02]: It was an understanding that 01:24:22.818 --> 01:24:28.363 [SPEAKER_02]: She is, she is a living being of magic. 01:24:28.643 --> 01:24:33.968 [SPEAKER_02]: She, you can imagine her along the lines of like a personality line, right? 01:24:34.469 --> 01:24:36.370 [SPEAKER_02]: She is a font of power. 01:24:37.447 --> 01:24:47.555 [SPEAKER_02]: I sort of gifted her magic to you because she was so enamored by you, also very similar to how Aryan and Odysseus were kind of Odysseus. 01:24:47.915 --> 01:24:54.320 [SPEAKER_02]: All of her were kind of set up, right, a supernatural being that fell in love with a mortal. 01:24:55.901 --> 01:25:02.727 [SPEAKER_02]: However, being in this world was always a risk for you because she 01:25:04.877 --> 01:25:09.719 [SPEAKER_02]: was she was a conduit for great love and great destruction. 01:25:10.579 --> 01:25:25.864 [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing she feared the most, somebody and something, you know, whether that's Halley or compulsion, or just anybody of DBS enough intent could use her to harm you. 01:25:27.245 --> 01:25:31.726 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was something that she was never going to be okay with. 01:25:37.482 --> 01:25:47.608 [SPEAKER_02]: It was never, she said this to you, it was never a good buy because her true form is magic, right? 01:25:49.375 --> 01:25:53.677 [SPEAKER_02]: is part of the world, and she gifted that to you. 01:25:54.117 --> 01:25:56.398 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't think of her as gone. 01:25:56.538 --> 01:26:00.419 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think of that choice as being so intense. 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:09.782 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's why she doesn't think of that choice being so intense, but it's just not comprehensible to humans. 01:26:09.963 --> 01:26:11.823 [SPEAKER_02]: We just don't have the same understanding. 01:26:11.843 --> 01:26:13.884 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was a very important thing to me for 01:26:15.077 --> 01:26:24.180 [SPEAKER_02]: one thing that you had said right at the beginning, which really stuck with me is this is some sort of spirit that we don't understand and we never will. 01:26:24.940 --> 01:26:38.485 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was very important in the creation of that deal was how do I make this something I want I want Alex's perception of it to be different than what it actually is. 01:26:39.225 --> 01:26:57.829 [SPEAKER_01]: That was because that was something I was like very happy that it was like it went without answering because I didn't think I wanted it looks to understand I think I wanted her to be forced I think I wanted to understand that it was something that had negative ramifications for her to refuse it. 01:26:59.829 --> 01:27:04.370 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also didn't necessarily want her to know what the outcome would be. 01:27:06.147 --> 01:27:06.607 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you. 01:27:06.687 --> 01:27:09.228 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been, I've been dying to know this for like a week now. 01:27:11.729 --> 01:27:14.111 [SPEAKER_02]: No, thank you for making such a great character. 01:27:14.851 --> 01:27:32.479 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I've won last question before Ash closes out and that is that I was wondering and this might be a very quick one, but originally in the episode in which there were people stuck in 01:27:37.089 --> 01:27:44.255 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was just kind of wondering of what like the world would have been like if that had happened. 01:27:45.085 --> 01:27:45.946 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great question. 01:27:46.206 --> 01:27:46.766 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 01:27:47.006 --> 01:27:56.832 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not that this is such a silly short answer, but truthfully I don't know because that is not a theory that was told. 01:27:56.972 --> 01:28:08.099 [SPEAKER_02]: But I will say it would have been significantly different because I don't think it would have, I don't, I truly don't think it would have changed too much about a cell. 01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.561 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would have changed everything about 01:28:15.250 --> 01:28:19.193 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't even know what that would look like, since it didn't happen. 01:28:19.894 --> 01:28:25.097 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was looking more for that, it was like, any get stuck in the paintings for the entire season. 01:28:25.478 --> 01:28:25.758 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:28:25.838 --> 01:28:27.919 [SPEAKER_02]: And we have to get them out at the very end. 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:30.261 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, anything could have happened. 01:28:31.402 --> 01:28:31.602 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:28:32.063 --> 01:28:36.866 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that it definitely changes more for Lou than it does actually for the actual story. 01:28:37.266 --> 01:28:41.470 [SPEAKER_04]: But I wasn't sure if not putting 01:28:45.098 --> 01:28:46.499 [SPEAKER_04]: like, would have shifted things. 01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:48.760 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, but yeah. 01:28:49.980 --> 01:28:53.402 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so she wasn't in the painting. 01:28:53.822 --> 01:28:55.763 [SPEAKER_02]: She was the one who put her in that. 01:28:55.883 --> 01:28:56.944 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we put her in there. 01:28:56.964 --> 01:28:57.584 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll put her in there. 01:28:57.604 --> 01:28:58.464 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll put her in there. 01:28:58.825 --> 01:29:01.926 [SPEAKER_04]: You guys love it on their bodies around town. 01:29:02.466 --> 01:29:05.208 [SPEAKER_04]: She's still in there to dream in forever. 01:29:05.388 --> 01:29:08.129 [SPEAKER_04]: There are things that we should probably do with that we haven't yet. 01:29:08.189 --> 01:29:08.469 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 01:29:09.110 --> 01:29:10.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's some loose ends. 01:29:12.864 --> 01:29:17.128 [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of loose ends, all of the ones for the story are officially wrapped up, though. 01:29:18.670 --> 01:29:22.714 [SPEAKER_03]: I have one last question before I thank you all for my thought of my heart. 01:29:23.695 --> 01:29:31.582 [SPEAKER_03]: But what is a song that that's either encapsulates your character for you or what is your character's favorite song? 01:29:32.103 --> 01:29:33.684 [SPEAKER_03]: Rapidfire, just go with your gut. 01:29:33.724 --> 01:29:34.045 [SPEAKER_03]: What is it? 01:29:37.653 --> 01:29:39.294 [SPEAKER_04]: I know it has to be to go with my gut. 01:29:39.394 --> 01:29:41.316 [SPEAKER_04]: I have a whole playlist to hold on. 01:29:41.356 --> 01:29:42.257 [SPEAKER_04]: I gotta find it. 01:29:42.477 --> 01:29:45.780 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna pull the one that I put on the Roseville like our collective track. 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:48.642 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, I, so steamboat by Adrian Lanker. 01:29:50.323 --> 01:29:56.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Adrian Lanker is a big thief and is a queer songwriter. 01:29:56.228 --> 01:29:59.911 [SPEAKER_01]: And I found this song, well, don't fucking judge me. 01:30:00.031 --> 01:30:03.514 [SPEAKER_01]: I can already feel Kenzie, I can already feel Kenzie's eyes on me. 01:30:03.654 --> 01:30:04.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I found this doing 01:30:05.175 --> 01:30:08.378 [SPEAKER_01]: doing super core free search and it's in one of those playlist as well. 01:30:08.638 --> 01:30:10.440 [SPEAKER_01]: But I love this song very deeply. 01:30:10.480 --> 01:30:16.766 [SPEAKER_01]: It's this melancholy like mid-western kind of folk that's got like a strong beat under it. 01:30:16.786 --> 01:30:19.108 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a short song, but it's a song about codependence. 01:30:21.929 --> 01:30:26.351 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it so deeply, like every time I listen to it because it's so evocative. 01:30:26.931 --> 01:30:37.675 [SPEAKER_01]: And for me, like Alex's weakness is this codependency that she is running from not because she knows she is dependent on it, but because she knows that 01:30:39.285 --> 01:30:42.388 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess in a way she is dependent on it, but not in the way that you would normally expect. 01:30:42.469 --> 01:30:46.093 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like she needs it constantly, but she has to protect it if that makes sense. 01:30:46.633 --> 01:30:48.255 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's steamboat by Adrian Lanker. 01:30:48.275 --> 01:30:49.056 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the playlist. 01:30:49.357 --> 01:30:58.087 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hurt your feelings, give it a listen and think about, think about the, the, which is that, that, that, you know, on opposite sides of the coin. 01:30:58.660 --> 01:31:11.104 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry, that just hit the song I'm going to give for Aryan is an invitation to our audiences to go listen to a song that's not in English. 01:31:12.184 --> 01:31:13.304 [SPEAKER_00]: It is a song that's on 01:31:20.318 --> 01:31:26.721 [SPEAKER_00]: It translates to, because Gulab means of rose and Akian is like your eyes or your gaze. 01:31:28.001 --> 01:31:31.283 [SPEAKER_00]: And it is a very, it's, it's a very like, 01:31:32.534 --> 01:31:36.395 [SPEAKER_00]: bright song very, very summer song vibes. 01:31:37.616 --> 01:31:40.097 [SPEAKER_00]: But the lyrics are extremely beautiful. 01:31:40.177 --> 01:31:46.339 [SPEAKER_00]: It talks about this kind of like longing admiration as is typical in Bollywood music. 01:31:46.599 --> 01:31:56.782 [SPEAKER_00]: This kind of like long distance like longing and this whole like waxing poetic descriptions of someone that someone's romantically attracted to. 01:31:57.162 --> 01:32:03.064 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's very, very deeply, uh, Arion, and I invite everyone to go and check it out. 01:32:03.104 --> 01:32:05.204 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Akiyan Gulab by Mitras. 01:32:06.164 --> 01:32:06.725 [SPEAKER_00]: Go and listen to it. 01:32:06.785 --> 01:32:13.406 [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, go on to YouTube to go and read the, the many English translations that exist out there on YouTube. 01:32:14.227 --> 01:32:16.007 [SPEAKER_00]: And enjoy a lovely little book. 01:32:16.047 --> 01:32:19.088 [SPEAKER_00]: You might enjoy just listening to it in the day because it's a good book. 01:32:19.532 --> 01:32:23.874 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I do have to say two, and I have to say two for a specific reason. 01:32:24.575 --> 01:32:35.480 [SPEAKER_04]: One of them is because I try to make loose playlists that I'm still currently curating more towards music out in the 70s and 60s and 80s. 01:32:35.900 --> 01:32:37.261 [SPEAKER_04]: That's like what I was trying to stick to. 01:32:38.922 --> 01:32:44.004 [SPEAKER_04]: But I do have to say in the middle of this, Chapparone did release the giver. 01:32:44.445 --> 01:32:48.607 [SPEAKER_04]: And if that is not a loose song, I don't know what is a loose song. 01:32:49.647 --> 01:32:56.014 [SPEAKER_04]: So I have to say that first of all, but second of all, the actual like, I think loose song. 01:32:56.585 --> 01:32:58.827 [SPEAKER_04]: is Lovers by The Runaways. 01:32:59.588 --> 01:33:13.960 [SPEAKER_02]: I had the very special honor of getting to put together a few things, a few songs for our songwriter, for a theme song for this show, which is very cool. 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:19.664 [SPEAKER_02]: I was not expecting that when we started... See, I had a jump in our own trap. 01:33:20.005 --> 01:33:22.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I had a theme song. 01:33:23.127 --> 01:33:23.668 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, who is it? 01:33:26.438 --> 01:33:33.621 [SPEAKER_04]: their name is Lizette, they wrote our theme song for our third season, so they're doing it again for this season. 01:33:33.982 --> 01:33:50.269 [SPEAKER_02]: There are a few things that kind of go into it, but ultimately the heart of it, and I opened with this during our initial sessions of world building, and I'm going to close this off with it too. 01:33:50.789 --> 01:33:52.030 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the original 01:33:55.800 --> 01:34:06.425 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fun and silly and wacky, and there is no other found family like the mystery crew. 01:34:06.965 --> 01:34:15.249 [SPEAKER_02]: They love each other, they love everybody that they encounter, it's what we were talking about. 01:34:15.369 --> 01:34:16.610 [SPEAKER_02]: It is fierce devotion. 01:34:17.350 --> 01:34:22.793 [SPEAKER_02]: People they just meet, they have a fierce devotion to help and aid and protect. 01:34:23.407 --> 01:34:27.349 [SPEAKER_02]: and even though it's a little silly and dumb and can't be it's supposed to be. 01:34:28.109 --> 01:34:35.093 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that is the song that is Roseville Beach for me. 01:34:35.553 --> 01:34:41.215 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, thank you all for sticking around later than normal this evening in this morning. 01:34:43.597 --> 01:34:46.018 [SPEAKER_04]: It's been great having you on this show. 01:34:46.038 --> 01:34:48.259 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for having me. 01:34:53.595 --> 01:34:54.616 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you! 01:34:54.856 --> 01:34:55.537 [SPEAKER_04]: Great job! 01:34:55.577 --> 01:34:56.838 [SPEAKER_03]: Have a good job everybody! 01:34:56.858 --> 01:35:06.165 [SPEAKER_02]: We did it for being such a wonderful cast of characters to get to be a narrator for this is such a special privilege and honor. 01:35:06.185 --> 01:35:07.747 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you guys so much!