WEBVTT 00:00.352 --> 00:02.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and welcome to the Baseball Insiders. 00:02.254 --> 00:04.376 [SPEAKER_01]: I am Adam Weiner of Happy Wednesday. 00:04.496 --> 00:09.340 [SPEAKER_01]: I usually, in the sense, would robotically say join as always by fans at its MLB inside a rubber Murray. 00:09.600 --> 00:12.162 [SPEAKER_01]: But in this instance, I had to break that robotic curse. 00:12.262 --> 00:14.905 [SPEAKER_01]: And instead, not say that, Robert is off today. 00:15.045 --> 00:16.987 [SPEAKER_01]: And we wish him very well on his, uh, 00:17.707 --> 00:20.148 [SPEAKER_01]: mystery trip now it's very normal vacation. 00:20.169 --> 00:23.610 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not going to reveal where he is because I know y'all will probably show up where he is. 00:24.111 --> 00:30.074 [SPEAKER_01]: I am hanging at home and I'm here as I am usually on Wednesdays with a special guest from the Sports Illustrated side of things. 00:30.094 --> 00:32.896 [SPEAKER_01]: Today it is Ryan Phillips from SIMLB. 00:33.236 --> 00:37.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Here to talk to me about I obviously want to go a little bit into how a J. 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--> 02:25.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 02:27.021 --> 02:27.782 [SPEAKER_01]: All that is done. 02:27.802 --> 02:29.223 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you move on to baseball? 02:29.504 --> 02:29.984 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally. 02:30.004 --> 02:34.769 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the bizarre fourth outrule from Red Sox Blue Jays Ryan. 02:34.849 --> 02:39.894 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that rule and did a single person on the field of know it on Monday night. 02:39.914 --> 02:41.676 [SPEAKER_01]: Did anybody know that. 02:42.036 --> 02:43.537 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the answer is absolutely not. 02:43.617 --> 03:02.152 [SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea and I think it's kind of crazy that the world we live in were all the information and all the knowledge and the history of the world is one click away that people still don't know what was going on and still can't like, I know people get the rule to some degree now but like nobody can explain it in 15 seconds. 03:02.792 --> 03:10.158 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to take you 20, 30, 40 seconds when nothing takes that long anymore and it's very clear that none of the 03:12.099 --> 03:17.564 [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of them was kind of like, hey, I think I remember something from my training about this. 03:17.625 --> 03:22.929 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should look at this, but it's insane and it took so long to come up with an explanation. 03:22.949 --> 03:25.692 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the explanation was way longer than it should have been. 03:26.092 --> 03:33.319 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think somebody had the tweet where it's like, you know, any time an empire gets on a mic or a referee gets on a mic and says, okay, and then has to explain it. 03:33.359 --> 03:36.382 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a bad sign that maybe we should work on that rule. 03:37.217 --> 03:42.339 [SPEAKER_01]: And it does mean that it usually means either it's very complicated or the home crowd is going to hate this. 03:42.459 --> 03:44.380 [SPEAKER_01]: And in this instance, it was both over there. 03:44.400 --> 03:45.000 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have both. 03:45.020 --> 03:45.760 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 03:46.060 --> 03:51.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, the bottom line is the runner was safe because they appealed the wrong out first. 03:51.322 --> 03:53.483 [SPEAKER_01]: If you appealed that one, he's done and it's over. 03:53.803 --> 03:56.504 [SPEAKER_01]: If you hadn't left the field and had appealed that, it's still over. 03:56.544 --> 04:00.005 [SPEAKER_01]: But because you did the one behind him first, that man is safe. 04:00.045 --> 04:01.446 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a timing play now. 04:01.526 --> 04:02.907 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't before and now it is. 04:02.927 --> 04:04.347 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have to tag properly. 04:04.727 --> 04:05.107 [SPEAKER_01]: Fine. 04:06.908 --> 04:09.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Popped on a Twitter to be like, I'm a literally gun pirate. 04:09.350 --> 04:10.651 [SPEAKER_01]: I've actually known this my whole life. 04:10.691 --> 04:23.800 [SPEAKER_01]: And to those people as they congratulations, I am man enough to admit I did not know this didn't understand why he didn't have to tag didn't understand why his run scoring wasn't invalidated by the out being reported on this bone headed play. 04:24.300 --> 04:26.102 [SPEAKER_01]: I will put this one right up there with. 04:26.702 --> 04:27.382 [SPEAKER_01]: And now I get it. 04:27.783 --> 04:29.744 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand timing play very fun. 04:29.764 --> 04:31.045 [SPEAKER_01]: And they left the field. 04:31.085 --> 04:34.006 [SPEAKER_01]: They, you know, negated their right to appeal and challenge. 04:34.387 --> 04:37.648 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will put this right up there with the MLB rules that I do not enjoy. 04:37.668 --> 04:39.269 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand but do not enjoy. 04:39.289 --> 04:51.937 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's currently tied for my least favorite with if a batter swings at a pitch, so heinous and objectionable that it bounces in front of the catcher and rolls around for strike three. 04:52.397 --> 04:53.558 [SPEAKER_01]: He is rewarded. 04:53.958 --> 05:06.710 [SPEAKER_01]: with the ability to run the first base for his terrible plate discipline for being such a bad recognizer of what is a hitable pitch that he was he damed just swinging a pitch that rolled around the infield behind the plate. 05:07.051 --> 05:12.376 [SPEAKER_01]: You can now go to first I will add that if you are stupid enough to not know how many outs there are 05:12.676 --> 05:25.110 [SPEAKER_01]: and you just run wheely nilly around the field and do not tag and do not follow proper protocols, you may still score if the other team is as dumb as you are and throws behind the backrunner rather than the lead runner. 05:25.271 --> 05:28.995 [SPEAKER_01]: I think those are both foolish and I think there's no place for them in this great game piece. 05:29.517 --> 05:29.817 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree. 05:29.897 --> 05:38.181 [SPEAKER_00]: I think my other one that I hate is when somebody goes into second and slides over the base and that might come off by a millimeter and they review it. 05:38.301 --> 05:41.963 [SPEAKER_00]: And if the tag is on their out, it's not the spirit of the rule at all. 05:42.423 --> 05:43.964 [SPEAKER_00]: That's normal bodily function. 05:43.984 --> 05:45.805 [SPEAKER_00]: That is not a mistake by the runner. 05:46.245 --> 05:49.787 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think if you're over the bag after you touch it first, you should be safe. 05:49.847 --> 05:51.428 [SPEAKER_00]: If you slide past, that's another thing. 05:51.828 --> 05:53.869 [SPEAKER_00]: But that that one I can't stand. 05:53.889 --> 05:54.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever that happens. 05:54.809 --> 05:57.191 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's like they didn't do anything wrong and 05:58.171 --> 05:59.672 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with those. 05:59.692 --> 05:59.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:00.012 --> 06:01.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Punish for momentum. 06:01.352 --> 06:02.933 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make any sense at all. 06:03.053 --> 06:09.256 [SPEAKER_01]: But speaking of momentum, the Boston Red Sox has been a less than in momentum in the past six weeks. 06:09.736 --> 06:17.239 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, absolutely fueled by their own relentless aggression and insanity to a 32 and five stretch. 06:17.999 --> 06:32.632 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was on record during that stretch in in a way that is meant to be complimentary that they will regress not an insult just a fact of life and I still think even the regression version of the Red Sox now that they have a judgment in place and Roman Anthony is on his way back. 06:33.032 --> 06:35.474 [SPEAKER_01]: and theoretically for the playoffs, they have Kurdish need to. 06:35.494 --> 06:37.155 [SPEAKER_01]: You're filling in a lot of offensive polls. 06:37.596 --> 06:43.980 [SPEAKER_01]: I still think they're quite dangerous, but it's not an insult to say that the hottest team in MLB history is going to progress. 06:44.361 --> 06:54.949 [SPEAKER_01]: But low and behold, since we put together this outline, they have, and they've let it spiral on themselves a little bit, they lost a series to the A's, who don't beat anyone in a series, and who've been run over by the Tampa Bay raise at home this week. 06:55.749 --> 06:58.752 [SPEAKER_01]: And they go and go to Toronto and lose this game where they, 06:59.332 --> 07:02.454 [SPEAKER_01]: Luz two one and the only run they scored was on the insane fourth outplay. 07:02.794 --> 07:09.138 [SPEAKER_01]: Luz again yesterday they have had the tying run or winning run at the plate in the ninth inning if I believe all four of these losses. 07:09.598 --> 07:16.723 [SPEAKER_01]: But losses are losses and they are encountering the downside of momentum now where one bad series against the A's turns into a four gamer. 07:17.603 --> 07:30.273 [SPEAKER_01]: I still believe that they are as dangerous as any team that is looking to de-throw in the Dodgers at full strength, but it is really hard to get to the exact timing you need to get to at full strength. 07:30.393 --> 07:36.838 [SPEAKER_01]: And I am a little biased here because I have been cautiously looking over my shoulder at the Boston Red Sox for the last 22 years of my life. 07:37.018 --> 07:44.204 [SPEAKER_01]: So I will turn it over you to ask, am I overrating how dangerous they are in the grand scheme of things? 07:44.744 --> 07:46.406 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is that 32 and 5 stretch? 07:46.786 --> 07:57.635 [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty indicative of, again, true talent level not so much, but ability to rise to the moment over and over again, kind of feels like they could get there again. 07:58.281 --> 08:00.642 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, elite transition with the momentum thing. 08:00.823 --> 08:02.624 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in awe of you right now, my friend. 08:04.184 --> 08:10.828 [SPEAKER_00]: I also, I do sort of, because I've been listening, I do sort of feel this is a bit of a reverse jinks, Yankees fan thing for me. 08:10.948 --> 08:11.729 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of a bit. 08:13.110 --> 08:20.414 [SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, yeah, that turnaround started on, I think it was June 19th when they, they won five, two over the Mariners and, you know, 08:20.794 --> 08:23.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Since then, they're top 10, and virtually every offensive category. 08:23.955 --> 08:26.096 [SPEAKER_00]: They have the best staff and baseball in that time. 08:27.416 --> 08:31.958 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's without, you know, crochet, Roman Anthony, as you stated, they've got these holes. 08:31.998 --> 08:33.838 [SPEAKER_00]: They get Curtis Mead, Luzim, day one. 08:35.439 --> 08:39.460 [SPEAKER_00]: And crochet may not be back by the end of the season making full starts. 08:39.480 --> 08:43.101 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he might be back, but they're saying he may not pitch six innings in September. 08:44.102 --> 08:44.382 [SPEAKER_00]: So I, 08:45.142 --> 08:49.765 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, the, the, the danger part for me, the rough part is I know Sonny Gray has had a great season. 08:50.286 --> 08:55.469 [SPEAKER_00]: If crochet isn't back at the front of that rotation, I don't know if they're better than a healthy Yankees team. 08:55.489 --> 08:56.690 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see if the Yankees get healthy. 08:57.050 --> 08:59.272 [SPEAKER_00]: But the Yankees, they're pitching is better. 08:59.452 --> 09:00.813 [SPEAKER_00]: They've got a more consistent offense. 09:00.933 --> 09:03.795 [SPEAKER_00]: I also think the Rhett's actually really young at key positions. 09:04.055 --> 09:05.756 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure that they can step up. 09:06.036 --> 09:10.519 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything's great when things are going well, but when you face adversity does a young team bounce back. 09:10.539 --> 09:11.060 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're not even, 09:11.860 --> 09:16.023 [SPEAKER_00]: In a lot of positions, even where they're not young age-wise, they're young experience-wise. 09:16.404 --> 09:24.930 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I really think it's going to depend on them getting Anthony back and having him play well, and then how much do they get from crochet down the stretch. 09:26.131 --> 09:26.531 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 09:26.551 --> 09:29.193 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think they match up with the Dodgers. 09:29.513 --> 09:32.596 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's, you know, it's like the team of the best chance to take them down. 09:33.316 --> 09:36.459 [SPEAKER_00]: I still like healthy Yankees team if that happens. 09:36.639 --> 09:37.740 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the best 09:38.380 --> 09:43.347 [SPEAKER_00]: possibility of somebody taking down the, the, taking down the Dodgers in the American link. 09:43.407 --> 09:46.692 [SPEAKER_00]: And let's figure out, the American link just in general has been rough this year. 09:46.832 --> 09:51.238 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't know if we're going to know what we get out of that league until the world series. 09:52.808 --> 10:09.435 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to thank you, and I know, you know, in case anyone's wondering why Ryan has been on this show multiple times, it's because you tied the Red Sox surge back to the Mariners series before the Yankees series, at Fenway, instead of just tying it to end saying the Yankees woke them up. 10:09.495 --> 10:19.999 [SPEAKER_01]: So I very much appreciate you want to talk about reverse chances, I make perhaps, you know, hey, I'm not one to define the statements I am making, but it reciprocally, I will 10:22.660 --> 10:29.367 [SPEAKER_01]: because they were, and then they also lost the series to the nationals, and then they went on the road and went scorched up against the angels' white socks and mats. 10:30.440 --> 10:38.042 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that you could see it starting to wake up there for a little bit for them, and then finally from that date, I mean, their offense has been excellent. 10:38.062 --> 10:39.222 [SPEAKER_00]: They're pitching has been excellent. 10:39.562 --> 10:44.603 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't think the eight 50 winning percentage or whatever it was is sustainable long term. 10:44.623 --> 10:47.744 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, this little forging losing streak, not really a surprise. 10:47.984 --> 10:54.185 [SPEAKER_00]: The question is, can they balance it out over the next month and month and a half and really finish strong? 10:54.645 --> 10:55.085 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 10:55.145 --> 10:58.366 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, it's a sports cliche about, oh, they peek too early. 10:58.666 --> 11:03.187 [SPEAKER_00]: It could be the case here given, you know, all those good feelings they had for so long. 11:03.447 --> 11:06.908 [SPEAKER_00]: Now you run into a little, run into a little wall, can you bounce back? 11:06.968 --> 11:08.749 [SPEAKER_00]: Silly, they're definitely going to make the playoffs. 11:09.089 --> 11:13.350 [SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, come back to this in a month and a half if they bounce out and say that it was my fault. 11:14.210 --> 11:18.611 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, I do think that it's going to be interesting to how they enter the playoffs. 11:18.811 --> 11:22.580 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to be, you know, 32 and 5, but how do they finish? 11:22.620 --> 11:24.746 [SPEAKER_00]: How do they ramp up going into the postseason? 11:25.182 --> 11:29.264 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was curious, again, I cannot pretend to be objective. 11:29.304 --> 11:47.594 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, their success is not my favorite thing in the world, but I was curious to see what their level of sustainability would look like in August and September, given that the teams that usually surge to this degree, not even to this degree, we're talking winning 16 of 17, you know, late pushes to get into the playoffs. 11:47.974 --> 11:54.498 [SPEAKER_01]: Most teams that do something like that are scorching hot in September and then burn out by October last year's. 11:54.898 --> 12:02.640 [SPEAKER_01]: Last year's Guardians do everything possible to push the tigers and then can't beat the tigers head to head and play off series right after. 12:02.880 --> 12:13.542 [SPEAKER_01]: The tigers from 2024 have enough to win a wild card series over Houston that Houston team running on fumes with no pitching but can't push it past the best of three. 12:13.762 --> 12:17.243 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these teams that go on insane September heaters 12:18.003 --> 12:20.124 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they can win a series in October. 12:20.204 --> 12:22.505 [SPEAKER_01]: They usually eventually hit a wall. 12:22.865 --> 12:28.427 [SPEAKER_01]: So this had me thinking, what is, again, what does this July peak mean? 12:28.487 --> 12:29.907 [SPEAKER_01]: This July August peak. 12:30.307 --> 12:38.770 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they hit the wall now and then find the gear again in September or find some middle gear where they're able to say, we're not going to get too high or too low? 12:39.210 --> 12:40.211 [SPEAKER_01]: That is the future. 12:40.251 --> 12:41.351 [SPEAKER_01]: That is ahead of the Boston Reds. 12:41.371 --> 12:43.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we do not know and Roman Anthony coming back. 12:44.032 --> 12:55.816 [SPEAKER_01]: will presumably help them find some kind of helpful middle ground where they just play like a good team instead of playing like this team with its hair on fire or a team that can't get out of its own way, which they were in April and May. 12:56.197 --> 12:58.297 [SPEAKER_01]: But now we get to watch an interesting case study. 12:58.357 --> 12:59.358 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't really recall 13:00.218 --> 13:14.332 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't really recall a team going 32 and 5 over that period of time, but I can't really recall a team doing that in July and the beginning of August and then having to take a step back and then maybe take a step forward to somewhere in between so they can be fully geared up for the postseason. 13:14.850 --> 13:17.271 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really do, it's gonna be fascinating to watch. 13:17.472 --> 13:21.294 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the next week is gonna be fascinating to watch with them after those four straight losses. 13:21.314 --> 13:22.154 [SPEAKER_00]: How do they play today? 13:22.194 --> 13:23.115 [SPEAKER_00]: How do they play tomorrow? 13:23.695 --> 13:26.117 [SPEAKER_00]: In a week, have they, you know, sort of balance things out? 13:26.177 --> 13:33.581 [SPEAKER_00]: As you said, their offense has kind of disappeared over the last couple days, and it'll just be interesting to see where they find their level in the next week. 13:33.601 --> 13:40.505 [SPEAKER_00]: And if it does turn into a long losing streak, how does the team, again, younger, less experienced, handled that part of it as well? 13:41.373 --> 13:45.119 [SPEAKER_01]: Their run differential was always that of an ale playoff team. 13:45.299 --> 13:49.665 [SPEAKER_01]: They're now right up there with the Yankees in that term in the American League. 13:49.685 --> 13:56.255 [SPEAKER_01]: But guess who else is there, it's the Detroit Tigers who are now the best run differential in the American League that weird old American 13:56.775 --> 14:01.117 [SPEAKER_01]: They do not have Casey Mies and his regressing velocity. 14:01.617 --> 14:06.118 [SPEAKER_01]: They seem to be just fine compared to the team that got Terrix Google. 14:06.238 --> 14:13.420 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers needed to Dave Roberts's urgency pump up speech to even Fend off the fighting pesky jet cagliones this week. 14:13.841 --> 14:15.601 [SPEAKER_01]: They have beaten the royals twice though. 14:16.481 --> 14:17.942 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll start with the Tigers. 14:18.462 --> 14:26.352 [SPEAKER_01]: Because to me, I like a surge rather than a slide and we've been fooled by Dodger slides before, but how bullish are you on Detroit? 14:26.713 --> 14:33.622 [SPEAKER_01]: Getting back into this, even maybe winning the central and then potentially making a, like we said with the Red Sox, sustain run back to reality. 14:34.170 --> 14:39.991 [SPEAKER_00]: In a normal season where the American League was a little better, I would say, I don't have much faith. 14:40.011 --> 14:44.953 [SPEAKER_00]: You just give up to your three best starters, you know, and that the pitching is what wins this late in the season. 14:45.613 --> 14:46.193 [SPEAKER_00]: They're weird. 14:46.793 --> 14:52.914 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and again, they have the best run differential, as you said, in the American League, but they've been so streaky up and down. 14:52.934 --> 14:58.276 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there were 16 games under 500 at the end of May, and all of a sudden they're back in it. 14:58.476 --> 15:03.797 [SPEAKER_00]: And, and I think, you know, Kevin McGonagall can only do so much. 15:04.477 --> 15:09.422 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that he's been amazing this year, the best rookie and baseball, best rookie season in a long time. 15:11.344 --> 15:17.029 [SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't have faith in them because they just got rid of the things that made them special, other than him. 15:17.189 --> 15:22.574 [SPEAKER_00]: And that pitching depth that the front has been really good for, had been like really something they could rely on. 15:23.114 --> 15:28.079 [SPEAKER_00]: You know every fifth day, Scooball was going to shut the other team down, all he needed to do was get three runs in your winning. 15:28.399 --> 15:33.304 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have that anymore, and so, you know, Framber has, Valdez has been, you know, up and down this year. 15:33.324 --> 15:34.405 [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't been reliable. 15:34.505 --> 15:42.032 [SPEAKER_00]: I, like, I just, I don't, I don't love what they've got, but the problem, the thing is, the American League's so weak they might get in. 15:42.132 --> 15:43.694 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think they're a threat long term. 15:44.447 --> 16:10.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the inexperience that you're mentioning with the Red Sox sort of Rears that's head here, where you get into a playoff series, they have been on a Troy Melton and Jackson Joe who just returned have combined for a recent, I mean, Troy Melton's one on a heater all year, Joe gives him another weapon, but the inexperience there, they're a fronting a rotation in a playoff series, whereas you could have had scooble behind him in maybe game three and four, Melton and Joe, but now they're shoved right into the forefront. 16:10.880 --> 16:13.261 [SPEAKER_01]: How sustainable that is, I am not certain, 16:14.121 --> 16:25.447 [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, they have a claim to be the second best team in the American League for a long period of time as the Yankees fight through their offensive Dol drums and the Red Sox come down from whatever that ridiculous high is. 16:26.047 --> 16:31.230 [SPEAKER_01]: So here here they are and they are now just an inch away from the playoff picture. 16:32.271 --> 16:34.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to get your thoughts on the Dodgers do again. 16:34.172 --> 16:35.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Dodgers talk. 16:36.822 --> 17:02.014 [SPEAKER_01]: sort of the the way that they've treated the regular season sort of invalidates Dodgers talk recently because you know you're in the division you see them it's you can't even get the copium hopes up a little bit when they're lead slips from like 15 to 8 or whatever sometimes Twitter goes wild they're like they've lost half their lead or a Dodgers fan account will be like this is torture and it's like I don't even know if you guys are playing regular season baseball with any you know level intention. 17:02.534 --> 17:07.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they've had a tough couple of weeks the Diamondbacks were up to them up. 17:07.837 --> 17:09.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Edwin Diaz looks legitimately bad. 17:10.078 --> 17:17.181 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I do have to note that once again, they do not have a bullpen, but they seem to never have a bullpen and they enter the playoffs and it's just fine and dandy. 17:17.561 --> 17:25.045 [SPEAKER_01]: So how do you appraise them given the caveat of it's impossible to because we don't even know how they treat a 162 games season. 17:25.345 --> 17:27.106 [SPEAKER_01]: They pretended to have urgency this week. 17:27.126 --> 17:28.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Dave Roberts had some great quotes, 17:31.848 --> 17:37.152 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the thing about the cracks have been to show and I think a lot of it's just age related. 17:37.272 --> 17:39.594 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Freddie Freeman's 36 months he's 35. 17:39.654 --> 17:41.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Mookie bets in Towsker and it is are 33. 17:41.916 --> 17:44.377 [SPEAKER_00]: Otani's 32 and not that that's old. 17:44.718 --> 17:47.120 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel old saying that, but it's, you know, 17:47.860 --> 17:48.881 [SPEAKER_00]: They do have some age. 17:48.921 --> 17:50.622 [SPEAKER_00]: They've played long seasons recently. 17:50.662 --> 17:53.504 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that some of their doldrums are probably related to that. 17:53.604 --> 17:59.047 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to get pumped up when you go and back to back world series for an August series against the Diamondbacks. 17:59.107 --> 18:02.910 [SPEAKER_00]: When you've got a 15 game lead or whatever it is, you know, I mean, they're down, it's down now. 18:02.990 --> 18:09.794 [SPEAKER_00]: But then they just bounce back and went to, they get a four or a Saigon or off the DL, the throw six innings in his first start. 18:09.814 --> 18:13.657 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I don't think there's any concern from anybody, 18:13.777 --> 18:15.758 [SPEAKER_00]: There are things that are a little alarming. 18:15.778 --> 18:17.919 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Taelskernan just didn't walk for two weeks. 18:18.300 --> 18:23.222 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, mooky bets is slugging over that losing streak was the worst it's been in years. 18:24.143 --> 18:32.087 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not producing the way that guys paid the way they're supposed to be produced, but the Dodgers don't need them too, because they have so many other guys. 18:32.187 --> 18:40.672 [SPEAKER_00]: And so while it's fun to, you know, look and say, oh, this might be the horizon of how effective the Dodgers are and we might be going to the other side. 18:42.193 --> 18:42.793 [SPEAKER_00]: It's false hope. 18:42.973 --> 18:47.876 [SPEAKER_00]: Until they show in the playoffs that they are not the same team, they're the same team. 18:48.456 --> 18:55.080 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just think that every baseball team goes through a slump, I think when you have guys that are their age, I think it's hard to get fired up. 18:55.280 --> 19:03.085 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that there are legitimate concerns about how much effective baseball some of these guys have left, but there's always somebody behind them coming for the Dodgers. 19:03.125 --> 19:05.907 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what makes them so frustrating for opposing fans. 19:07.338 --> 19:08.519 [SPEAKER_01]: ticket package slogan is here. 19:08.539 --> 19:09.559 [SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers colon. 19:09.579 --> 19:11.020 [SPEAKER_01]: There are so many guys. 19:12.721 --> 19:16.223 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, we were doing not to get conspiracy bill on the podcast. 19:16.263 --> 19:17.564 [SPEAKER_01]: Conspiracy Phil Lips. 19:17.744 --> 19:18.024 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe. 19:18.164 --> 19:19.124 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 19:19.164 --> 19:19.885 [SPEAKER_01]: That didn't work at all. 19:19.925 --> 19:20.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's never say that again. 19:20.885 --> 19:24.607 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are naturally a bunch of Dodgers Conspiracy's lately. 19:25.028 --> 19:28.830 [SPEAKER_01]: One of which is sort of, oh, look, here's Blake Snill back at a very convenient time. 19:28.870 --> 19:34.533 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we buy that he was ever really on the shelf or are they just giving him and Tyler Glass now famously, guys who 19:36.774 --> 19:41.278 [SPEAKER_01]: breathers in the middle of the year and claiming all these are necessary eye altrubs, but guess what, here they are. 19:41.598 --> 19:56.191 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other one, the scuballed trade conspiracy that's sort of like every owner, you know, was very happy to not hop in on this and was happy to see scuba go to the Dodgers, because it's strengthens fan rage and support for an eventual lockout. 19:56.271 --> 20:01.635 [SPEAKER_01]: If we can, if we can make the Dodgers ludicrously stronger, maybe we can get more fans sent to 20:12.856 --> 20:14.598 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's a conspiracy. 20:14.718 --> 20:20.843 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they just give them a long time to come back and build up slowly so that they can then finish strong. 20:20.923 --> 20:23.666 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's necessarily like we're holding these guys out. 20:23.746 --> 20:25.107 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's kind of that. 20:25.267 --> 20:27.929 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, Snell had the surgery on his elbow. 20:28.690 --> 20:32.814 [SPEAKER_00]: And he took way longer to come back than anybody else who had the similar surgery this year. 20:33.414 --> 20:35.136 [SPEAKER_00]: It might just be like, we don't need them. 20:35.276 --> 20:36.217 [SPEAKER_00]: So take your time. 20:36.277 --> 20:37.838 [SPEAKER_00]: Go play some video games, Blake. 20:37.878 --> 20:39.059 [SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy your time off. 20:40.120 --> 20:42.441 [SPEAKER_00]: And and glass now, I mean, who knows with him? 20:42.481 --> 20:45.281 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he comes in pitches three games and he's back on the IL. 20:46.021 --> 20:49.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think there's a strategy to have those guys fresh for the end of the season. 20:49.202 --> 20:55.423 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be using a question about that, but it's whether or not it's this intentional, we're just we're going to give you a phantom injure. 20:55.443 --> 20:56.243 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's that. 20:56.523 --> 21:01.284 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think they can withstand a longer injury style stint than anybody else. 21:01.724 --> 21:04.145 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why they do it as for the school thing. 21:04.845 --> 21:09.230 [SPEAKER_00]: Teams were involved in trying to get him, but it was a very small number. 21:09.730 --> 21:18.219 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think part of it was the cost and who could meet the price and the other was, yeah, I don't think teams are upset that he went to the Dodgers. 21:18.519 --> 21:25.427 [SPEAKER_00]: I think teams that are trying to compete this year might be upset, but the rest of the league's probably happy about it for the exact reason to lay it out. 21:26.497 --> 21:33.461 [SPEAKER_01]: I personally am salivating a little bit at the idea of River Ryan coming up to the Tigers this year for a final playoff push. 21:33.601 --> 21:47.327 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm warming to the package, the Tigers got a little bit, but again, I do think it's undeniable that if you only think you need to give truth, I could come into the room with truth serum, with Bob Nutting, ready to give it to him, and he would be like, oh, I don't even need that. 21:47.367 --> 21:48.688 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy to school what to the Tigers. 21:48.788 --> 21:49.749 [SPEAKER_01]: like, oh, okay, great. 21:49.769 --> 21:50.749 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to do it. 21:50.890 --> 21:52.711 [SPEAKER_01]: Talk to sell this on the black market. 21:53.872 --> 21:57.134 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get to your apprellers to before we sign off. 21:57.394 --> 22:04.239 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the NFL playoff picture of the wild card has gotten, I guess I would call the potter as a usual suspect at this point. 22:04.559 --> 22:05.980 [SPEAKER_01]: His skin was clearly itching. 22:06.541 --> 22:07.942 [SPEAKER_01]: He simply could not sell. 22:08.302 --> 22:13.766 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't even really know if there was a great opportunity to sell Brian Cashman might want to kill him for that. 22:14.186 --> 22:23.854 [SPEAKER_01]: will war in Adrian Morohoan offer thing leaking and also keeping his white whale mason Miller Brian Cashman wants mason Miller so bad, but he was already at the edge of the playoff race. 22:24.154 --> 22:27.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Morohoan and Miller were two of the main reasons he was there. 22:27.477 --> 22:33.822 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to be 15 games out to convince him to sell at that point, sell these, you know, cornerstones. 22:34.683 --> 22:35.984 [SPEAKER_01]: He might even extend more at home. 22:36.024 --> 22:41.069 [SPEAKER_01]: That wouldn't surprise me at all given how much he loves him Being in a playoff some playoff for instance addictive. 22:41.209 --> 22:49.436 [SPEAKER_01]: I do not blame him at all for going for it And guess what he's right there now and guess what like I don't know I don't rule him out of I don't rule a team out of doing anything. 22:49.896 --> 22:51.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you surprised he went for it again? 22:51.578 --> 22:53.980 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like no, but are you glad that he did? 22:55.168 --> 22:57.471 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm never surprised when AJ Perler buys. 22:57.491 --> 23:03.618 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, 2023 they were terrible and he didn't sell at the deadline could have sold Blake Snill and Josh Hader and gotten a haul didn't do that. 23:04.619 --> 23:11.387 [SPEAKER_00]: This year, I did advocate for them trading based in Miller because I don't think his, I think his value is at such a high level this year. 23:11.407 --> 23:13.630 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's the best season from a closer sense. 23:14.431 --> 23:18.495 [SPEAKER_00]: Eric Ghanier was, you know, full of steroids on the mouth that you've ever seen. 23:18.635 --> 23:25.042 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I mean, it's, it's, and so I think that his value was so high that you could get such a hall for him that it would be worth it. 23:25.242 --> 23:29.526 [SPEAKER_00]: And you also have other guys in that bullpen, you could probably step up being your closer, like more at home. 23:29.646 --> 23:34.974 [SPEAKER_00]: like Bradsey Rodriguez, like Jeremiah Strada, they didn't do that, I didn't expect him to. 23:35.174 --> 23:43.787 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was the right move, didn't expect him to, more home may leave for nothing after this season, and they'll look back if they don't win a world series and maybe regret that move. 23:44.688 --> 23:45.409 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not surprising. 23:45.449 --> 23:47.610 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say it was a very restrained deadline. 23:47.650 --> 23:51.374 [SPEAKER_00]: And by restrained, I mean, I think they duck taped them to a chair, so we couldn't make more calls. 23:51.674 --> 23:56.077 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they did get my as they got Robbie Ray, but they're not going to blow anybody away. 23:56.117 --> 24:00.781 [SPEAKER_00]: Those were those were life rafts for a rotation that is sinking right now. 24:01.262 --> 24:02.042 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that. 24:03.658 --> 24:06.800 [SPEAKER_00]: He did bet on a team that is gotten better offensively. 24:07.020 --> 24:12.583 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're one of the best offenses in baseball since the break, Jackson Merrill, Fernando Tattois, Jr., have turned it around. 24:12.623 --> 24:15.565 [SPEAKER_00]: Ty Francis has been a rock all year for them, oddly. 24:16.685 --> 24:20.167 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that it was a bet worth making for him to buy small. 24:20.907 --> 24:26.991 [SPEAKER_00]: I still think they should have sold some pieces to try and maybe, you know, walk that tight rope. 24:27.011 --> 24:28.652 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just not the way he operates. 24:28.692 --> 24:29.912 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a go for it guy. 24:30.453 --> 24:31.873 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, with the new ownership coming in, 24:33.334 --> 24:35.956 [SPEAKER_00]: and he signed an extension before the year team gets sold. 24:36.316 --> 24:39.779 [SPEAKER_00]: He's got to prove that he's a guy there long term and making the playoffs would be a good way to do that. 24:41.060 --> 24:41.681 [SPEAKER_01]: P.S. 24:42.001 --> 24:43.402 [SPEAKER_01]: this whole NFL playoff field. 24:43.742 --> 24:51.048 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we obviously have to rank the Dodgers' favorites until proven otherwise, but where do you rank the other teams as potential threats? 24:51.128 --> 24:52.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you see real threats? 24:52.989 --> 24:55.211 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, are you just starting to fit some most of this out of hand? 24:55.251 --> 24:55.711 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no. 24:55.912 --> 24:56.292 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't. 24:56.572 --> 25:06.475 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the cobs, I think the brewers are stacking up like a team that's going to be great in the regular season and again, just fall short in the post season, that's just how they feel and that's been the this story. 25:06.495 --> 25:08.176 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's just because they've done that recently. 25:08.296 --> 25:08.676 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 25:09.476 --> 25:10.937 [SPEAKER_00]: I love what the cobs did at the deadline. 25:11.057 --> 25:12.017 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they have enough. 25:12.397 --> 25:16.060 [SPEAKER_00]: front line pitching to be the Dodgers, but I love what they've done and their offense is fantastic. 25:16.320 --> 25:18.042 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd probably put them at number two. 25:18.402 --> 25:21.024 [SPEAKER_00]: The fillies have the roster on paper to beat the Dodgers. 25:21.445 --> 25:28.331 [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't played like it though, so it's really hard to handicap anybody, you know, and mark them as a potential foil to the two-time champs. 25:29.276 --> 25:33.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we will keep an eye, I guess when we'll keep an eye on you. 25:33.161 --> 25:37.206 [SPEAKER_01]: The baseball insider's baseball podcast, we'll keep an eye on the NFL playoff race for the next month and a half. 25:37.506 --> 25:38.588 [SPEAKER_01]: Spoiler alert. 25:38.828 --> 25:41.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Ryan, thank you so much for talking us through this. 25:41.672 --> 25:43.634 [SPEAKER_01]: You can sell us in September, by the way. 25:43.794 --> 25:46.698 [SPEAKER_00]: I would not be surprised at all the ways we're up in the ball and triple it. 25:47.110 --> 25:49.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, honestly, I feel like I'd be surprised if we don't see him. 25:49.672 --> 25:51.154 [SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate everyone joining us today. 25:51.194 --> 25:58.000 [SPEAKER_01]: If you join us on YouTube or on your favorite podcast platform, and hey, Scan that QR code, play a fan sighted daily time machine as well. 25:58.260 --> 25:59.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Highly recommend it. 25:59.501 --> 26:01.122 [SPEAKER_01]: We will see you all on Friday. 26:01.142 --> 26:04.325 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a special guest co host, Ryan will be back soon for sure. 26:04.405 --> 26:05.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for your time. 26:06.487 --> 26:08.849 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have another guest on next Wednesday again as well. 26:08.849 --> 26:14.797 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, 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