WEBVTT 00:04.008 --> 00:06.091 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a gay up name for a gay up podcast. 00:07.413 --> 00:11.718 [SPEAKER_00]: Bill Chris Soffey is making his way back to that's a gay as podcast bill. 00:11.838 --> 00:14.041 [SPEAKER_00]: You did this podcast in January of this year. 00:14.101 --> 00:16.404 [SPEAKER_00]: How does it feel to be back back back again? 00:17.428 --> 00:19.549 [SPEAKER_01]: as Jill's cracked, I think. 00:20.509 --> 00:21.670 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having me. 00:22.390 --> 00:29.733 [SPEAKER_00]: You're on any fuking time, Bill Kersoffie wants to come and chat, especially when he wears a low cut blouse such as that. 00:30.593 --> 00:31.874 [SPEAKER_00]: We have so much to discuss. 00:32.594 --> 00:39.497 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the most important things to discuss is, I was getting really nervous about your book, if it was going to come in and time, and guess what came last night? 00:40.377 --> 00:41.018 [SPEAKER_01]: the world. 00:41.558 --> 00:42.799 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's awesome. 00:43.280 --> 00:43.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 00:44.000 --> 00:55.430 [SPEAKER_00]: Y'all, Bill Chrisoffie, since a gorgeous care package to a few lucky, horny people, I'm one of them, and this book is called the Klam Reaper's Guide to slaying life lessons for rebellious souls. 00:55.510 --> 00:56.691 [SPEAKER_00]: It's out August 18th. 00:57.052 --> 00:58.152 [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, we're going to talk about the 00:58.953 --> 01:03.875 [SPEAKER_00]: We're also going to talk about your horny ass Twitter again, which we've touched on it last time. 01:03.895 --> 01:05.856 [SPEAKER_00]: You've been posting even more since that. 01:06.697 --> 01:11.719 [SPEAKER_00]: But I guess the real question is, since we recorded in January, it's now August. 01:11.839 --> 01:14.780 [SPEAKER_00]: How would you characterize this year of our Lord 2026? 01:15.220 --> 01:16.241 [SPEAKER_00]: Has it been treating you well? 01:17.565 --> 01:18.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah. 01:18.446 --> 01:19.206 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say so. 01:19.246 --> 01:20.707 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been really busy. 01:20.967 --> 01:21.888 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's good. 01:21.968 --> 01:22.828 [SPEAKER_01]: Busy is good, I guess. 01:22.868 --> 01:27.991 [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of like, I would say like busy, but then also kind of annoying. 01:29.892 --> 01:30.613 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's okay. 01:30.653 --> 01:36.656 [SPEAKER_00]: They'll take it and you are a creative entrepreneur and we are going to talk about the breakdown of that. 01:36.936 --> 01:39.478 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got stunning art that you're selling online. 01:39.538 --> 01:42.520 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got these plushies that I'm obsessed with this book. 01:42.580 --> 01:43.080 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got 01:43.760 --> 01:45.782 [SPEAKER_00]: potentially an OF that we'll discuss. 01:46.703 --> 01:53.488 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that before we get into the book, I think there's some important topics that you've been posting about. 01:53.869 --> 01:59.513 [SPEAKER_00]: One is a post that you said Vegas this week, scoping venues for our wedding. 01:59.854 --> 02:00.554 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that true? 02:00.674 --> 02:04.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you actually planning a wedding with the stunning previous guest of this podcast, Hogan? 02:05.583 --> 02:06.264 [SPEAKER_01]: I am. 02:06.464 --> 02:10.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, we've been together for 12 years and engaged for 10. 02:10.509 --> 02:13.233 [SPEAKER_01]: So we finally decided to tie the knot. 02:13.453 --> 02:16.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, you less beans got engaged after two years? 02:16.797 --> 02:19.180 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I know. 02:19.641 --> 02:21.704 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what's the weight? 02:21.764 --> 02:24.247 [SPEAKER_00]: Why the weight for 10 years and why now get married? 02:25.028 --> 02:50.116 [SPEAKER_01]: um we just kind of kept going back and forth with it like um we had so many grand ideas it started off wanting to like get married in Italy and then my favorite location in Massachusetts and then a hotel penthouse that we love in New York and we were just like kind of sick of it and then we just decided like we should just do it now so we were going to do it for um we were 02:51.957 --> 02:56.480 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of honor anniversary, but the move, I don't know, just the date is really special. 02:56.540 --> 03:07.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, we're getting married on the date of my mom passed away, which is sad, but then also I wanted to make sure like she was sort of with us while we were doing it, so it'll be really nice. 03:08.089 --> 03:09.550 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so special. 03:09.630 --> 03:15.655 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can imagine the sort of emotional intensity of that, but what a beautiful way to honor your mom. 03:15.975 --> 03:23.941 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that I said we're going to talk about that book later, but I just since you brought up your mom, I, can I just read the dedication that, uh, should I say so? 03:24.721 --> 03:25.982 [SPEAKER_00]: God, it's so beautiful. 03:26.182 --> 03:30.785 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, everybody, Bill wrote in the dedication for this book, the Klam Reaper's Guide to Sling. 03:31.286 --> 03:34.088 [SPEAKER_00]: This book is dedicated to my mother Pamela Krasafi. 03:34.228 --> 03:38.611 [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't get to see it finished, but I made sure she knew that Klam Reaper was based on her. 03:39.071 --> 03:43.914 [SPEAKER_00]: She had a deeply loving personality that was perfectly balanced by her salty attitude. 03:44.415 --> 03:46.196 [SPEAKER_00]: What was so salty about her attitude? 03:46.216 --> 03:47.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Can you give us an example of her saltiness? 03:48.427 --> 04:15.290 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she just didn't take anyone's shit like if someone was looking at her, we are she'd be like, what are you talking about like just like very like Rastaxx I guess she was she had like actually some of her co-workers came up to me at her funeral and they were like she was a tough lady She just like truly did not care she always she kept wanting to be like my business manager where she would like do we all in deal for me because she's like you're too soft 04:16.602 --> 04:17.783 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you agree that you're too soft? 04:18.403 --> 04:18.783 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah. 04:18.903 --> 04:25.287 [SPEAKER_01]: I have, like, I feel like I'm more of like a people please earn away or like you or don't know your own value. 04:25.327 --> 04:27.608 [SPEAKER_01]: As an artist sometimes, which I think is normal. 04:27.668 --> 04:34.292 [SPEAKER_01]: But, um, if you just, yeah, there were times where I've gotten into some predicaments with like products that weren't coming in on time. 04:34.332 --> 04:35.433 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's called the company. 04:36.594 --> 04:45.482 [SPEAKER_00]: Bich them out so and thank you, Pamela Krasalvi, I think every artist, every gay guy deserves a brass taxing mom. 04:45.903 --> 04:50.287 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you also say I'm so lucky that she was mine. 04:50.347 --> 04:51.848 [SPEAKER_00]: I miss her more every single day. 04:51.949 --> 04:53.130 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish you got to read this. 04:53.270 --> 04:54.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember your love is forever. 04:54.972 --> 04:56.473 [SPEAKER_00]: I love you so much mom, Billy. 04:56.633 --> 04:57.354 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just... 04:57.854 --> 05:02.217 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes so much sense why you dedicated the book to her while you're doing that wedding date. 05:02.857 --> 05:11.463 [SPEAKER_00]: But as a gay journalist, let me clarify, is that wedding going to be in Las Vegas in credible? 05:11.863 --> 05:12.303 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 05:13.104 --> 05:15.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, can I, my lot to ask when it is or how long until? 05:16.042 --> 05:19.103 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, it's going to be February 27 of next year. 05:19.123 --> 05:20.903 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally, you know. 05:21.423 --> 05:26.264 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I cannot wait to see what gay wedding magic you and Hogan do. 05:26.564 --> 05:40.406 [SPEAKER_00]: You both have really annoyingly good taste and it's sort of frustrating that to hot artistic people found each other and didn't marry someone who only wears pleaded khakis, but I 05:45.647 --> 05:52.255 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask you the returning question, which is, who was your first gay? 05:52.455 --> 05:57.140 [SPEAKER_00]: What sort of welcome do you to the community, whether you knew you were a faggotrini or not? 05:58.563 --> 06:03.366 [SPEAKER_01]: This is actually like, well, not traumatic, but like, it a little triggering. 06:03.846 --> 06:19.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, his name is Dr. Champy, and he was, he was my fifth grade teacher, but I knew him beforehand because I think I got, I was acting in a play in Boston that my brother somehow got me cast on as a kid. 06:19.957 --> 06:27.702 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I had to be in Dr. Champy's acting class, which I was only like a fourth grader, and I had to go to like this sixth grade to like do the acting class or something. 06:28.442 --> 06:36.145 [SPEAKER_01]: but he was my fifth grade teacher after that and I will never forget he called me husky in front of the whole class. 06:36.205 --> 06:53.450 [SPEAKER_01]: He said I was husky like him and he lived with the I think he lived with his mom and he was just like he was I I loved him in a way but then at like and I knew like we I don't know there was like something there maybe like frenemies but he humiliated me and contributed to my 06:59.183 --> 07:00.044 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was a doctor. 07:00.684 --> 07:06.969 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess a fifth grade doctor, who knows, scarves, um, they, you can be whatever you want. 07:07.409 --> 07:11.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I think the word husky is so triggering for so many of us. 07:11.892 --> 07:17.757 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, absolutely remember, uh, wearing a husky gene and thinking, should I jump off the bridge? 07:17.997 --> 07:19.698 [SPEAKER_00]: Time will tell. 07:19.758 --> 07:26.283 [SPEAKER_01]: But husky's also hot, like I, I totally have changed my, like as a kid, you know, you know, it's just like it's crazy. 07:26.654 --> 07:28.756 [SPEAKER_00]: Think about the time that we grew up. 07:28.936 --> 07:32.278 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like you had to be skinny and hairless to have rights. 07:32.759 --> 07:39.704 [SPEAKER_00]: And this thank God, we're living in a time when bears are invoked, hair is invoked, curves are here. 07:39.764 --> 07:46.829 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it is absolutely husky as I would say a compliment now, but back then it was a slur. 07:46.849 --> 07:52.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy, you said you have a brother. 07:52.493 --> 07:53.134 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it one bro? 07:55.541 --> 07:57.523 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, do we talk about this last time you have three brothers? 07:58.104 --> 07:59.125 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't think so. 07:59.165 --> 08:01.228 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I have three brothers as well, that's wild. 08:01.668 --> 08:02.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you the only Fag? 08:03.210 --> 08:04.972 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I am the only Fag, yeah, I am. 08:05.052 --> 08:05.353 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you? 08:06.174 --> 08:06.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 08:07.535 --> 08:10.359 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting, okay, where are you in the the birth order? 08:11.318 --> 08:16.522 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the last of the baby, which actually makes sense for the gay kid to be the baby. 08:17.842 --> 08:20.024 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm actually smack in the middle. 08:20.084 --> 08:22.365 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got an older twin and a younger. 08:22.525 --> 08:25.627 [SPEAKER_00]: So I sort of lived every brother experience. 08:25.667 --> 08:26.048 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 08:27.108 --> 08:29.230 [SPEAKER_01]: You and your twin have that like twin to a lot of the 08:30.495 --> 08:31.976 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I actually kind of think we do. 08:32.296 --> 08:43.120 [SPEAKER_00]: We definitely, as kids, have those moments where, and this is really, I think when he just spends a lot of time with the same person, but we would start singing the same song out of nowhere at the same time. 08:43.160 --> 08:49.942 [SPEAKER_00]: And definitely had those twin moments, but my, I mean, my twin is a foot short of a me. 08:50.142 --> 08:53.143 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a finance, straight, sweet woodworker. 08:53.544 --> 08:57.725 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a total dick growing up, but we could not be any different now. 09:01.085 --> 09:02.546 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, one of them is really artsy. 09:02.566 --> 09:05.747 [SPEAKER_01]: He was, um, he went to film school, but he ended up now. 09:05.807 --> 09:08.968 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like in administration for like a private school in Florida. 09:09.028 --> 09:15.071 [SPEAKER_01]: So he, he still does like film stuff like on the side, but, um, not as much as he used to. 09:15.111 --> 09:21.654 [SPEAKER_01]: He's, he's actually the one that got me into like the labyrinth and the dark crystal and, you know, all of Jim Henson and stuff. 09:21.694 --> 09:24.835 [SPEAKER_01]: He, he was really like impactful in that way. 09:25.055 --> 09:32.900 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so in a way he sort of got you into like the fucked up area of the dark now Which is I think it's a good segue to talk about this book. 09:33.360 --> 09:35.762 [SPEAKER_00]: I even though I got it last night I like tore through it. 09:35.902 --> 09:48.930 [SPEAKER_00]: It is such a funny dark gay book and it's I kind of think it's like a children's book for horny and secure adults like me Does that description feel spot on or are you devastated? 09:49.570 --> 09:50.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 09:50.051 --> 09:55.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's for I want it to be for everyone because I feel I mean I all of all of the characters have like 09:56.052 --> 10:05.576 [SPEAKER_01]: a pretty like standard issue that they're dealing with, but it's something that I've gone through in my life, so it's like, I'm sure it's relatable, but it's very, very, very valuable. 10:05.817 --> 10:12.560 [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, in the book, the glam Reaper is here to slay your personal demons, and I know we all have personal demons. 10:13.480 --> 10:18.583 [SPEAKER_00]: My current demon is this tonsil surgery I have very soon. 10:19.503 --> 10:19.843 [SPEAKER_00]: But really, 10:24.045 --> 10:33.697 [SPEAKER_00]: If I feel like something is wrong, my body goes to full panic, what would you say is Bill Chris Soffey's, one of his personal demons, what have you sort of pushed up against? 10:34.293 --> 10:55.247 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say like the main one would probably be in post or syndrome, like I still just never feel, I don't know, like when you're working all the time alone and then posting on the internet as like your way of connecting with people, I never feel like I even like know what I'm doing because I'm just like alone a lot, do it, you know, making stuff. 10:55.267 --> 10:59.470 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're saying that after hundreds of thousands of followers that 11:01.772 --> 11:06.734 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I create a creeps and I just never know I'm like if I have like a book signing is anyone going to come but I don't know. 11:06.774 --> 11:28.883 [SPEAKER_00]: I just like a weirdly feel like I'm not going to draw crowd or something or like I think that's a part of the human condition and I have I've said this before, but every single person I talk to like you who in my view has a stunning audience stunning work when I hear that you still have imposter syndrome like 11:29.163 --> 11:31.144 [SPEAKER_00]: It's never going away. 11:31.164 --> 11:36.685 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's kind of this is this is life. 11:37.906 --> 11:43.427 [SPEAKER_00]: I do though speaking of you're so open about your 11:45.228 --> 11:49.270 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say dick on Twitter, which thank goodness. 11:49.470 --> 11:51.710 [SPEAKER_00]: But we'll get more going into that on the sub-stux side. 11:51.911 --> 11:54.271 [SPEAKER_00]: But you also have posted some really funny stuff. 11:55.052 --> 12:06.536 [SPEAKER_00]: You tweeted, I'm dying for Bravo to come out with a show that casts Mark Jacobs Harvey Firestein Zack Pose and Michael Cores and Isaac Miss Rahe could listen to those Queen's Bicker for hours. 12:06.896 --> 12:09.017 [SPEAKER_00]: Bill, what do you think one of their big fights will be about? 12:11.044 --> 12:16.969 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it will only be fighting, you know, like, I don't think they'll agree on anything, but that's the beauty of it. 12:17.009 --> 12:18.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe, I mean, I don't know. 12:18.710 --> 12:19.491 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so hard. 12:20.071 --> 12:25.916 [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of there, I think one of their partners was not invited to brunch, but somebody else's partner was. 12:26.556 --> 12:27.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's really good. 12:29.094 --> 12:37.060 [SPEAKER_01]: either that were like one feel slighted because of like a side comment that didn't mean anything but they took it and ran with it's like a housewife site. 12:37.661 --> 12:38.241 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 12:38.621 --> 12:48.149 [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe there's like some launch party and either somebody wore another designer's clothes or I just 12:48.909 --> 12:49.269 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 12:49.289 --> 12:51.050 [SPEAKER_00]: I just love where your heads are. 12:51.110 --> 13:02.735 [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see successful gay men tear each other down women are dating it for eons and I think it's not hard turn to Put the worst part of ourselves on an international stage. 13:03.175 --> 13:03.655 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely 13:04.035 --> 13:23.398 [SPEAKER_01]: I also have a, like, have this thing where them in particular, because you know how, I feel like a lot of gay shows or gay reality shows don't end up like panning out for some reason, but I know, I mean, I've read discourse about like gay guys hating watching themselves, like on TV, like they can't root for a gay guy. 13:23.758 --> 13:30.040 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that there's something that like an older queen, you know, like, there's something about them that I totaled, like, 13:33.100 --> 13:55.289 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I actually think that's pretty spot on and I hesitate to say why that might work, but part of me thinks in a fucked up way is that if we're watching people that were not actively worried about like if they will sleep with us or not because if they're like bolder claims who are we're more worried about sort of their social status and I think that might actually translate better, but 13:55.649 --> 14:03.353 [SPEAKER_00]: That's also just sort of like a dark part of about being gay is, you know, like you're saying, sometimes we can't root for each other when we're just jealous of not being in their position. 14:05.274 --> 14:09.356 [SPEAKER_00]: There's something else that you posted that was actually what I was trying to get to, but who gives a fuck? 14:09.456 --> 14:19.621 [SPEAKER_00]: You posted a butt pick with the caption bad mood, but I want to know, as somebody who is very vulnerable and open, what do you do when you are in a bad mood? 14:19.741 --> 14:21.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything to lift your spirits? 14:22.513 --> 14:43.867 [SPEAKER_01]: I have been trying to restart my day when I'm in a bad mood where I just like decide like it like a um one of the things called the film things when you're like black the clacker yeah the little clacker I decide that like it's time to it's time to like start over again and then I just I don't know like take a breath or jerk off 14:44.957 --> 14:50.545 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, take a breath or jerk off the new hit single by Sam Smith. 14:52.387 --> 14:57.473 [SPEAKER_00]: I also want to commend you on what you did send out in these care packages. 14:57.754 --> 15:00.017 [SPEAKER_00]: This candle that's a slot for October. 15:01.178 --> 15:01.959 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you selling these? 15:02.762 --> 15:06.624 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is a collaboration with a brand called Heretic. 15:06.724 --> 15:08.224 [SPEAKER_01]: They came up with a scent. 15:09.005 --> 15:16.268 [SPEAKER_01]: The owner Douglas had asked me to describe growing up in New England and what it was like during the fall season. 15:16.308 --> 15:29.093 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I sent him this like really kind of dramatic and detailed experience of like when I was a little kid wearing a cape in the woods and like walking through the woods and what that felt like and smelled like and sent him a bunch of photos 15:30.875 --> 15:38.194 [SPEAKER_01]: Landscape, like photos of landscapes that I took over different falls in New England and then he came up with that scent and it is so spot on. 15:38.893 --> 15:39.713 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gorgeous. 15:39.793 --> 15:44.294 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I immediately showed it to Matt because he's got really good taste. 15:44.414 --> 15:46.095 [SPEAKER_00]: And we both are obsessed. 15:46.115 --> 15:48.295 [SPEAKER_00]: And also I think we both love being sluts in the fall. 15:48.315 --> 15:51.156 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's something really exciting that we're getting closer to that fall. 15:52.776 --> 15:56.277 [SPEAKER_00]: You also put in the care package a trixi cosmetics. 15:56.497 --> 16:02.938 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, trixi cosmetics donated some products to the care package, which was so, so nice. 16:03.598 --> 16:05.279 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you mind if I put it on for this episode? 16:05.639 --> 16:06.199 [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead. 16:06.299 --> 16:06.699 [SPEAKER_00]: Please. 16:08.027 --> 16:11.789 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let me move my camera so I can actually see what we're working in the plastic. 16:12.309 --> 16:31.480 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 16:32.567 --> 16:37.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Why have you, as a gay journalist, so I want to know, why have you started showing full poll on Twitter? 16:37.548 --> 16:39.089 [SPEAKER_00]: Did something change? 16:39.829 --> 16:44.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you could basically see it in my underwear anyway. 16:45.711 --> 16:50.092 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Hogan and I just both, like, looked at each other one day and we were just like, whatever. 16:51.753 --> 16:53.233 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's where that. 16:54.553 --> 16:56.534 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we were just like, okay, fine, let's do it. 17:00.818 --> 17:20.921 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it sounds silly, but it actually is inspiring to me to see you have like the Instagram with like this really incredible art and then to see you have this muddy Twitter and the OF like I don't know that yeah, there's like you contain multitudes I know I know I know I asked you this last time, but I just like I can't help but feel curious like 17:21.922 --> 17:25.763 [SPEAKER_00]: do people either in your family or friends you don't hook up with? 17:25.803 --> 17:33.706 [SPEAKER_00]: Like does it ever come onto their desks and you have to talk about the smudiness that you're putting out there? 17:34.727 --> 17:44.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm kind of scared for the day, but I think Hogan's mom did listen to our old episode which I was because I was the first one to do an episode with you and so I was like panicking about that. 17:47.164 --> 17:50.487 [SPEAKER_01]: I, I mean, whatever at this point. 17:50.907 --> 17:55.010 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of our, I mean, I talk to, you know, my straight girl friends and stuff. 17:55.170 --> 17:55.551 [SPEAKER_01]: We give up. 17:55.571 --> 17:55.951 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 17:55.971 --> 17:57.312 [SPEAKER_01]: They know basically everything. 17:57.712 --> 18:02.476 [SPEAKER_01]: One of them bullied me into showing me or showing her my bottle. 18:02.836 --> 18:04.838 [SPEAKER_01]: But she's her and I are super close. 18:04.858 --> 18:06.379 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, you got to show me. 18:07.179 --> 18:08.480 [SPEAKER_01]: So we just sent her a quick video. 18:08.520 --> 18:09.321 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, whatever. 18:10.162 --> 18:10.982 [SPEAKER_01]: I love her. 18:11.182 --> 18:12.844 [SPEAKER_00]: Who actually is Queen. 18:12.864 --> 18:13.164 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 18:15.225 --> 18:22.531 [SPEAKER_00]: None of my friends have asked to see my hairy butt hole, but I actually don't think anybody actually has except for my husband. 18:22.591 --> 18:25.312 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to keep, I keep my eyes closed. 18:25.753 --> 18:26.113 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:26.733 --> 18:28.275 [SPEAKER_00]: Where I'm a traditionalist, I guess. 18:29.936 --> 18:30.576 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll also listen. 18:30.976 --> 18:33.798 [SPEAKER_00]: I do have so many questions on the horny side. 18:33.818 --> 18:35.840 [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to make sure to get us over there in a moment. 18:35.860 --> 18:36.961 [SPEAKER_00]: But before I do so, 18:37.721 --> 18:41.365 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a couple of final questions about the book. 18:41.765 --> 18:47.030 [SPEAKER_00]: You have talked about how it was a really difficult time for you to actually write the book. 18:47.370 --> 18:50.093 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it because of your mother's passing? 18:50.133 --> 18:51.995 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it because of creative demons? 18:52.676 --> 18:58.902 [SPEAKER_00]: How would you describe the process of actually getting this from an idea to out in the world? 18:59.522 --> 18:59.782 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 19:00.222 --> 19:08.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Penguin Random House reached out to me about creating something with them and we landed on this idea. 19:08.505 --> 19:25.230 [SPEAKER_01]: I had just been so sick of, I feel like making art for the algorithm, you know, a lot of my posts sort of sort of designed to be shared and which I am so grateful for and like that's just my main source of income is to make products of my art. 19:26.210 --> 19:31.514 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just getting really burnt out on it and wanted to change in some way, but I didn't know how. 19:31.734 --> 19:32.514 [SPEAKER_01]: I still don't know how. 19:32.994 --> 19:35.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but that was happening. 19:35.636 --> 19:39.239 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that was like, you know, around the time of the pandemic. 19:40.679 --> 19:41.200 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like, 19:42.903 --> 19:48.505 [SPEAKER_01]: When my mom told me she was sick, I had a feel like when the pandemic was announced, not like, right, when it was going on. 19:49.085 --> 19:54.806 [SPEAKER_01]: But I had this gut feeling that my mom was going to get sick, but not from COVID or something, I just knew. 19:54.907 --> 19:57.707 [SPEAKER_01]: And she, yeah, it was really weird. 19:57.847 --> 20:06.370 [SPEAKER_01]: And so going through, she lived, she actually lived a lot longer than anyone with the kind of cancer that she had, which again, she's a tough bitch. 20:06.530 --> 20:09.591 [SPEAKER_01]: So she like, she really held off for as long as she 20:11.863 --> 20:17.287 [SPEAKER_01]: last year, she got pneumonia that ended up being the catalyst for her passing. 20:17.728 --> 20:23.472 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was just like a whole, I wasn't really like, not that it wasn't interested in these characters anymore. 20:23.492 --> 20:29.197 [SPEAKER_01]: I had just like, I felt like I exhausted myself with them, like over, you know, the time that I had already created with them. 20:29.877 --> 20:31.259 [SPEAKER_01]: And so getting to, um, 20:33.220 --> 20:46.588 [SPEAKER_01]: go back into drawing them felt kind of cool because I was expanding on them and like kind of coming up with different situations what if they all knew each other you know that's like something that I like they I mean they show up in art together but I never really thought about like how they'd interact. 20:47.258 --> 20:53.442 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have to tell you that as I read through this, um, it's so genuinely funny and thank you. 20:53.522 --> 20:56.024 [SPEAKER_00]: And the illustrations are so fucking good. 20:56.084 --> 21:01.848 [SPEAKER_00]: There's like, it towards the beginning there's a dolly part in reference and then you see this like kind of gothic moment with giant hits. 21:02.208 --> 21:02.409 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:02.629 --> 21:09.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, there's also like I'm dying to see this animated on a series like it really 21:10.374 --> 21:16.076 [SPEAKER_00]: It's sometimes hard when a friend like you, you know, sends a book and then you hope that it's really good. 21:16.136 --> 21:19.958 [SPEAKER_00]: But this I have, you know, zero reservations telling people to go get it. 21:20.058 --> 21:24.740 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, it's just, it gets the job so done in such a beautiful way. 21:32.363 --> 21:35.005 [SPEAKER_00]: fallen into a creative business. 21:35.545 --> 21:47.292 [SPEAKER_00]: I did not think I was going to be doing a podcast as like my source of income and sub stack has really become the biggest sort of like basically what pays all of my bills, which is exciting but also like unexpected. 21:48.013 --> 21:58.920 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask you the not numbers but sort of there's a pie chart of how you're making a life out of being an artist but also a slut. 21:59.661 --> 22:06.518 [SPEAKER_00]: What percentage of your income is coming from like prints online shit OF? 22:06.618 --> 22:07.400 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that okay to ask? 22:08.097 --> 22:13.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I haven't dedicated enough time to the OF as I would like. 22:13.938 --> 22:17.899 [SPEAKER_01]: It did help me out and pay rent for like three months, which was great. 22:18.759 --> 22:25.500 [SPEAKER_01]: And I definitely want to like be spending more time like exploring that while also working my shop. 22:25.520 --> 22:35.222 [SPEAKER_01]: But I had just taken full film and back from my former full film and center, so I'm shipping everyone's orders out, which I this morning, I was like running to UPS with like three 22:37.242 --> 22:38.603 [SPEAKER_01]: plushies and scarves and stuff. 22:38.623 --> 22:44.349 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a lot of health, if I'm being honest, I did that, gay ass merch, we did that. 22:45.009 --> 22:50.534 [SPEAKER_00]: I've taken a pause to it because it was such a hellish experience, but I send you my thoughts and prayers. 22:51.235 --> 22:52.756 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, thank you. 22:52.796 --> 22:58.181 [SPEAKER_01]: So mostly the shop, but that was just I hadn't come out with anything new for a while, so I had like a little 23:01.184 --> 23:04.047 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, monetizing my horniness, I guess. 23:04.687 --> 23:06.870 [SPEAKER_00]: And thank goodness gracious. 23:07.290 --> 23:09.872 [SPEAKER_00]: I do have that one story though, too, a valuable. 23:10.333 --> 23:16.178 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I accidentally sort of sexed with the penguins staff. 23:19.103 --> 23:20.625 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm dying to know how about that. 23:21.526 --> 23:31.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we were in, we had a WhatsApp text thread where we could just share ideas and I could upload drawings and show the people that I was working with. 23:32.360 --> 23:35.824 [SPEAKER_01]: And a friend of mine and I were, 23:37.663 --> 23:44.267 [SPEAKER_01]: jokingly sending each other, you know those emojis that are like overly sexual, they're like they're completely nude or yeah. 23:44.307 --> 23:58.395 [SPEAKER_01]: So we were just like try to find the craziest ones and some of them back and forth to each other and uh me, Hogan and a couple other friends were on a road trip to a gay campground in West Virginia and I was in the front seat finishing a drawing for the book. 23:59.346 --> 24:13.257 [SPEAKER_01]: And I took a picture of it to send to them to see what their thoughts were and I accidentally sent them an emoji that was like, I don't know if she was peeing or what it was, but he had a straw and she was drinking it. 24:14.779 --> 24:17.521 [SPEAKER_01]: I sent it in the WhatsApp thread with the Penguin staff. 24:19.765 --> 24:22.388 [SPEAKER_01]: and I immediately screamed and deleted it. 24:22.908 --> 24:27.893 [SPEAKER_01]: But one of the girls that works there, her and I have met in person when we were one Hogan and I were in London. 24:28.354 --> 24:30.696 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would have been totally fine with it being her. 24:30.736 --> 24:33.519 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all but there's this other guy that I wasn't as close with. 24:34.059 --> 24:35.361 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm pretty like a straight guy. 24:35.381 --> 24:36.582 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, ah, sorry. 24:37.723 --> 24:41.746 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you clarify what she's drinking her own juice. 24:41.846 --> 24:42.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:42.346 --> 24:42.547 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:42.807 --> 24:47.610 [SPEAKER_01]: It was dripping and she had the straw in it on the ground full of beautiful visual. 24:48.811 --> 24:49.171 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 24:49.512 --> 24:58.058 [SPEAKER_00]: I, you know what, that's actually the most like Bill Chris off the sex mistake, which is like a fucked up horny emoji trying to juice. 24:59.279 --> 25:03.302 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really, you can't help, but create. 25:03.682 --> 25:04.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was amazing. 25:05.163 --> 25:06.204 [SPEAKER_00]: I fucked up point of view. 25:06.805 --> 25:07.685 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that so much. 25:07.805 --> 25:16.993 [SPEAKER_00]: I, I, something tells me that these people working in that penguin sort of know your Jews and if they saw a self-drinker. 25:18.173 --> 25:19.874 [SPEAKER_00]: It would not, it wouldn't fuck up your deal. 25:21.134 --> 25:21.874 [SPEAKER_00]: God, that's beautiful. 25:22.074 --> 25:26.575 [SPEAKER_00]: I am going to ask you about that camping experience because I think it sounded really whorey. 25:26.975 --> 25:34.396 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we do that over on the sub-stuck side, I'm going to ask you the final podcast question which your answer can change from day to day. 25:34.456 --> 25:40.458 [SPEAKER_00]: And that question is if the world was ending, and you could only save one character actress? 25:41.218 --> 25:42.698 [SPEAKER_00]: Who would you say? 25:44.552 --> 25:48.319 [SPEAKER_01]: So I listened to where I was trying to find my old answer. 25:48.339 --> 25:49.741 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if we did this last time. 25:50.603 --> 25:51.645 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we did either. 25:51.805 --> 25:55.832 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it's your first time answering my answers, Miss Peggy. 25:58.882 --> 26:00.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Breathe in and miss BG. 26:00.563 --> 26:01.304 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 26:01.504 --> 26:03.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Was actually she almost never comes up. 26:03.686 --> 26:10.091 [SPEAKER_00]: Bill, but Hannah Solo, who understood his Mary in Omery, she named Miss Piggy as a dream casting for Mary. 26:10.291 --> 26:13.414 [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to tell you that she's coming back into the zeitgeist. 26:13.914 --> 26:14.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Love it. 26:14.915 --> 26:15.636 [SPEAKER_01]: So happy for it. 26:15.716 --> 26:20.179 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was thinking, um, if I had already answered it, I know that was my answer. 26:20.239 --> 26:24.043 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm also going to say Anna Ferris because I you and I were geeking out over. 26:24.623 --> 26:27.285 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be like, this is going crazy. 26:27.425 --> 26:32.628 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, can I, can I controversially tell you that? 26:33.350 --> 26:33.850 [SPEAKER_00]: The new move. 26:33.910 --> 26:35.410 [SPEAKER_00]: I went her to work till the end of day. 26:36.091 --> 26:39.451 [SPEAKER_00]: I want her to, you know, be treated like the queen she is. 26:40.012 --> 26:49.134 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a movie that should be a gay dream that is, um, sort of a girl's like a girl's trip adjacent film. 26:49.294 --> 26:50.594 [SPEAKER_01]: That's with one of something else. 26:50.834 --> 26:51.114 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 26:51.134 --> 26:59.136 [SPEAKER_00]: So the on a terrace Leslie, man Michelle, but I love Fisher and I'm going to go see it and 27:02.162 --> 27:11.407 [SPEAKER_00]: It almost feels like those women would never be friends with each other, and I can't describe why, but when I was watching that trailer, I was like, it doesn't feel organic. 27:11.447 --> 27:12.988 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that okay for me to say on a podcast? 27:13.168 --> 27:14.649 [SPEAKER_01]: You need to know it's totally fine. 27:14.689 --> 27:16.510 [SPEAKER_01]: It's yeah, I need to rewatch the trailer. 27:16.590 --> 27:21.373 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like watching for her moments, you know, because I was just excited to see her in another movie. 27:21.393 --> 27:23.514 [SPEAKER_01]: So soon right after scary movie. 27:23.554 --> 27:26.396 [SPEAKER_00]: So I love all of those women so. 27:26.416 --> 27:27.517 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, genuinely. 27:27.537 --> 27:29.498 [SPEAKER_00]: I love Fisher in. 27:30.658 --> 27:32.099 [SPEAKER_00]: Wedding crashes of all things. 27:32.300 --> 27:35.942 [SPEAKER_00]: She was so fucking nuts and hornily delicious. 27:36.242 --> 27:37.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle Butou. 27:37.583 --> 27:40.105 [SPEAKER_00]: I have been obsessed with her since I was a freshman at NYU. 27:40.125 --> 27:41.486 [SPEAKER_00]: She performed at Welcome Week. 27:42.126 --> 27:44.328 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have been obsessed with her ever since. 27:44.688 --> 27:49.852 [SPEAKER_00]: Leslie Mann, I've been even like this is 40, which I'm not saying is like the best movie of all time. 27:49.872 --> 27:52.273 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's just such a fucking comedic genius. 27:52.634 --> 27:55.736 [SPEAKER_00]: But then all of them together feels just like will it work? 27:55.956 --> 27:57.157 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to find out. 27:59.198 --> 28:00.219 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the fun part. 28:00.239 --> 28:03.101 [SPEAKER_00]: How lucky are we to be living in a world where they're giving us that chance? 28:03.781 --> 28:11.827 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Bill Krasofi, you have given us Miss Piggy, Ana Ferris, and of course, the Glamry Bris guy to salaying. 28:11.847 --> 28:16.190 [SPEAKER_00]: Will you tell these listeners where to follow you and how they can get this stunning boot? 28:17.317 --> 28:21.039 [SPEAKER_01]: You can follow me on Instagram at Bill Saffee. 28:21.059 --> 28:23.020 [SPEAKER_01]: So Bill S-A-F-I. 28:23.340 --> 28:26.841 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think my TikTok is just Bill Krasaffee. 28:27.461 --> 28:36.425 [SPEAKER_01]: But my link tree has the link to the book where you can get on Amazon Walmart, your favorite bookstore, literally like wherever you want to support. 28:36.725 --> 28:37.386 [SPEAKER_01]: You can find it. 28:37.806 --> 28:39.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, Ann on a bridge books. 28:39.987 --> 28:42.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Here in Chicago, I'm doing signed copies. 28:42.448 --> 28:44.189 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a separate link on my link tree 28:47.711 --> 29:07.419 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh delicious everybody go buy the book get a sign copy if you're nasty and follow bill both on Instagram and TikTok, but also I will link that Twitter because it is finger lickin good and yes, Harry is hell, so we're going to get into 29:08.239 --> 29:13.723 [SPEAKER_00]: The hair, we're going to get into a certain account that just posted a clip called Prince of Edging. 29:13.763 --> 29:22.349 [SPEAKER_00]: We are going to talk about a recent piece of footage you posted with your soon-to-be husband, Hogan. 29:23.670 --> 29:25.432 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we do that, 29:26.152 --> 29:40.197 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any memorable tales that come up that's either in this current year since we've talked that we're either like maybe like the campground hookup or a cruising stitch anything memorable that comes to mind? 29:40.937 --> 29:46.042 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually, when I saw you in a party in Los Angeles, I have a pretty good story. 29:47.764 --> 29:48.304 [SPEAKER_01]: After that. 29:48.725 --> 29:50.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can not wait. 29:50.106 --> 29:53.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let me read just and okay. 29:53.449 --> 29:54.770 [SPEAKER_00]: So paint the picture. 29:55.151 --> 29:55.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Was it. 29:55.952 --> 29:56.873 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw you at Hot Dog, yes? 29:57.555 --> 30:18.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, well, I was I feel like I was getting I was being a little bit of a menace like all night anyway, and then I remember when we were talking, you were saying that you heard that it gets like pretty for me later, and but you had never stayed late like late enough in that I stayed well, it's a Sunday night, it's a Sunday night, I just I know it is hard it's hard we were on. 30:19.623 --> 30:23.506 [SPEAKER_00]: We're on vacation so why not wait so you you okay, so you stayed later. 30:23.526 --> 30:24.186 [SPEAKER_00]: What happened? 30:24.346 --> 30:29.970 [SPEAKER_01]: And later well I ended up um I think Hogan went home earlier and our friends. 30:30.090 --> 30:37.736 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought our friends had left because I couldn't find them anymore and I got to ride home with the sky that I was making out with and I waited up fucking in this car. 30:39.440 --> 30:52.868 [SPEAKER_00]: For the rest of the interview, head to Substack, linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Pattinson, Rosso, Tyler Varval, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibly, Sam Altizer, and more. 30:53.328 --> 31:00.492 [SPEAKER_00]: It's at substack.com slash at Eric Wills, and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry horny time. 31:00.512 --> 31:01.253 [SPEAKER_00]: I love you.