WEBVTT 00:00.655 --> 00:02.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get ready to take me! 00:19.943 --> 00:26.568 [SPEAKER_04]: Hello everybody and welcome to the best and your favorite knife oriented podcast called KnifeTalk. 00:27.769 --> 00:29.810 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm Marco Malmossi of Malmossi Fire Arts. 00:29.870 --> 00:34.273 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here with Jeff Fader of Fader Nives and Craig Lockwood of Chop Nives. 00:34.293 --> 00:36.195 [SPEAKER_04]: We're here to keep you company in the shop. 00:36.595 --> 00:39.677 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be troubleshoot life or shop problems. 00:39.777 --> 00:40.718 [SPEAKER_04]: Answer your questions. 00:41.298 --> 00:41.879 [SPEAKER_04]: Shoot the shit. 00:41.919 --> 00:44.481 [SPEAKER_04]: Keep you company while you're on your commute. 00:44.521 --> 00:45.281 [SPEAKER_04]: Just work in a way. 00:45.341 --> 00:48.324 [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever you got and we first like to kick it off. 00:49.224 --> 00:51.945 [SPEAKER_04]: with the little recap of how everybody's been doing the last week. 00:52.485 --> 00:53.526 [SPEAKER_04]: Craig, you want to start us off? 00:54.786 --> 00:55.446 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sure. 00:55.626 --> 00:56.567 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's two weeks, isn't it? 00:56.587 --> 00:57.587 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't do a show last week. 00:58.067 --> 01:00.028 [SPEAKER_01]: So two weeks. 01:00.328 --> 01:00.908 [SPEAKER_01]: What's happened? 01:01.088 --> 01:01.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:02.529 --> 01:07.550 [SPEAKER_01]: We've got a new member of the family, a new cat, a new kitten. 01:08.091 --> 01:12.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Wales, we've about to have 96 new members of the family this weekend. 01:15.013 --> 01:34.385 [SPEAKER_01]: we've got 96 eggs about to hatch in incubator 96 96 yes there was a hundred but buddy dropped a few yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 96 they're all due this weekend yeah so but the kids have been off on holiday 01:35.302 --> 01:36.122 [SPEAKER_01]: off-school obviously. 01:36.262 --> 01:38.523 [SPEAKER_01]: So we gave them little things to do. 01:39.003 --> 01:48.007 [SPEAKER_01]: So they we're going to set up a business and they're going to hatch eggs and they're going to sell checks and they're going to sell their eggs at the hands that they keep in all the rest of it. 01:48.027 --> 01:49.387 [SPEAKER_01]: So they've started their little business. 01:50.107 --> 01:54.009 [SPEAKER_01]: So we bought 100 fertile eggs for them and they've started. 01:54.089 --> 01:56.529 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this weekend it's all kicking off. 01:56.570 --> 01:57.410 [SPEAKER_01]: It's quite exciting for me. 01:58.408 --> 02:00.189 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be a complete mayhem, of course. 02:00.790 --> 02:01.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. 02:02.531 --> 02:04.353 [SPEAKER_04]: Do you guys have pennies for all these chicks? 02:04.473 --> 02:05.734 [SPEAKER_04]: Like where are the chicks gonna be on? 02:05.754 --> 02:09.237 [SPEAKER_01]: We built, we spent the day built and like a big bruiser for them. 02:09.437 --> 02:12.899 [SPEAKER_01]: So, to me and the kids did it, you know, with hate lamps and all the rest of it. 02:13.040 --> 02:13.280 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 02:14.112 --> 02:32.955 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like a giant swimming pool with you lately, yeah, yeah, and it's just going to be chicken shit all over the place, you know, so just add a curiosity when your kids sell these, are you going to have like take out containers for these children, how's it going to heal Chinese like fried rice, what do you know what, you know what bad idea. 02:33.792 --> 02:37.055 [SPEAKER_01]: We did an Amazon delivery that came today and it was the boxes ready for that. 02:37.175 --> 02:38.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so they're based like shoe boxes. 02:39.157 --> 02:40.798 [SPEAKER_01]: We ordered like a hundred shoe boxes. 02:40.879 --> 02:41.299 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah. 02:41.940 --> 02:44.422 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it like put like a logo on the shoe boxes? 02:44.442 --> 02:45.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just going to ask that. 02:46.163 --> 02:47.625 [SPEAKER_01]: They fit the kids have got a logo. 02:47.645 --> 02:48.506 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got poster. 02:48.626 --> 02:49.526 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got it all going. 02:49.607 --> 02:51.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the Lockwood Egg Company. 02:51.863 --> 02:53.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that really what it's called? 02:54.025 --> 02:57.147 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll send you a picture of the logo that they made and stuff, yeah, it's quite clear to you. 02:57.167 --> 02:58.709 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 02:59.069 --> 03:03.833 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they think they're going to be the next new hot business thing, you know? 03:03.853 --> 03:05.074 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 03:05.094 --> 03:05.534 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah. 03:05.654 --> 03:06.415 [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's what it's called. 03:06.435 --> 03:08.516 [SPEAKER_02]: This is some of that Neil Amish business. 03:08.737 --> 03:15.322 [SPEAKER_02]: This is like, it's just like, it's the most like, this is going to be the hottest thing that ever take place selling chips. 03:15.402 --> 03:15.502 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 03:16.183 --> 03:17.644 [SPEAKER_02]: No one's ever had a lot of this before. 03:20.826 --> 03:22.267 [SPEAKER_01]: And that it's blowing their minds. 03:22.287 --> 03:25.069 [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, what's we told the Humberst thing you said, a chick fall? 03:25.109 --> 03:27.891 [SPEAKER_01]: Then I'll like, we'll literally grow in money, they say. 03:27.911 --> 03:29.272 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we just don't know. 03:29.292 --> 03:30.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what it's hilarious. 03:31.033 --> 03:32.394 [SPEAKER_02]: That they really take that for you. 03:32.534 --> 03:33.355 [SPEAKER_02]: They really take that for you. 03:33.375 --> 03:33.515 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:33.875 --> 03:35.716 [SPEAKER_03]: How much do you get for how much you saw on chicks for? 03:37.057 --> 03:37.958 [SPEAKER_01]: 12 pounds of chick. 03:39.837 --> 03:56.562 [SPEAKER_01]: If you buy more than two that because they're really good breed so that type of breed that we can Sex them from day one, so as soon as they're born we know if they're hence or they're the cockroach immediately You do the markings on them So yeah, so they're quite sold off and they lay blue eggs as well, so they're quite sold after so yeah, but 03:57.902 --> 03:58.442 [SPEAKER_01]: It's quite cool. 03:58.702 --> 04:00.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyhow, so that's chicken-tok. 04:01.363 --> 04:01.983 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait a second. 04:02.103 --> 04:02.783 [SPEAKER_01]: No chicken. 04:02.823 --> 04:05.124 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, where are you going to set up your stand? 04:05.144 --> 04:09.365 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to choose the outside of the house with a fucking snoopy sign. 04:09.385 --> 04:11.405 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you going to sell them? 04:11.565 --> 04:13.566 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not 1923 anymore. 04:13.766 --> 04:15.026 [SPEAKER_01]: It's sold and by the face. 04:15.046 --> 04:15.806 [SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to wait for us. 04:15.826 --> 04:16.687 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Facebook Marketplace. 04:16.707 --> 04:17.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Facebook Marketplace. 04:17.907 --> 04:20.147 [SPEAKER_01]: Facebook Marketplace and Facebook Groups. 04:20.188 --> 04:21.128 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:21.328 --> 04:26.089 [SPEAKER_04]: How do you organize your advertisements on Facebook Marketplace for your target demo? 04:28.920 --> 04:32.103 [SPEAKER_01]: There's just, basically there's lots of groups on Facebook. 04:32.143 --> 04:34.585 [SPEAKER_01]: We're a rural area, a lot of farming going on around here. 04:34.625 --> 04:41.212 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's lots of groups, people looking for poultry, people looking for checks, and all the rest of it, so yeah, we're all over it. 04:41.472 --> 04:41.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:42.393 --> 04:43.434 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's exciting. 04:43.454 --> 04:44.335 [SPEAKER_01]: What else has been going on? 04:44.596 --> 04:45.216 [SPEAKER_01]: Forget the checks. 04:45.777 --> 04:47.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Pippa, but the new kitten, as I said, oh. 04:49.641 --> 04:52.164 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got all my knife-making equipment coming over very soon. 04:52.184 --> 04:53.405 [SPEAKER_01]: Very soon. 04:54.666 --> 04:57.530 [SPEAKER_01]: So I've been touching up one of the barns here so that it's all going to go into. 04:57.710 --> 05:03.957 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've been, do you remember that I did a run of these like recycled plastic things, plastic bottles? 05:04.357 --> 05:06.539 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have a set of scales, you said. 05:06.579 --> 05:07.400 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a set of scales. 05:07.520 --> 05:18.890 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, yes, yes, well, the company that was used and to do that with, called Smile, they're here in South Wales, very local and that they distribute worldwide now. 05:18.910 --> 05:20.191 [SPEAKER_01]: They do this whole thing. 05:20.771 --> 05:27.017 [SPEAKER_01]: They've got this new material where they use minerals, such as the two that I've got a shale and chalk. 05:28.072 --> 05:43.299 [SPEAKER_01]: and they do, so they mix it all up and they do it with it this like plant-based epoxy stuff that they do it with and they make this stuff so it looks like a chalk handle or it looks like shale or rock or whatever it is. 05:43.779 --> 05:51.942 [SPEAKER_01]: So they've just sent me lots of samples so I'm really excited to get my stuff here and I've got these samples and I'm really excited to be playing around with it and stuff so so yeah so that's been that's been quite nice. 05:51.962 --> 05:53.163 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fun. 05:53.973 --> 05:56.015 [SPEAKER_00]: Why else is going, I think that's it. 05:56.556 --> 06:00.561 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we went, we went, my wife and I went sailing. 06:00.761 --> 06:02.383 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we talked about just before we were going. 06:03.083 --> 06:07.028 [SPEAKER_01]: And lovely weather, it was all great, lovely, beautiful weather. 06:07.368 --> 06:11.233 [SPEAKER_01]: She got the sickest I've ever seen a human being in my life. 06:12.393 --> 06:15.716 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'll send you a video. 06:15.956 --> 06:36.215 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 06:38.653 --> 06:43.538 [SPEAKER_01]: We're at the Sex Specials, that night we came back actually, which is amazing in the Sex Specials. 06:43.638 --> 06:47.622 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, so it's been pretty eventful two weeks. 06:49.564 --> 06:50.885 [SPEAKER_04]: How old are those guys now? 06:51.446 --> 06:52.066 [SPEAKER_04]: Are they in their 60s? 06:52.086 --> 06:52.306 [SPEAKER_04]: 70s. 06:52.326 --> 06:53.608 [SPEAKER_04]: 70s. 06:53.668 --> 06:53.828 [SPEAKER_04]: 70s. 06:53.848 --> 06:54.889 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 06:54.949 --> 06:55.129 [SPEAKER_02]: Past. 06:55.149 --> 06:55.329 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 06:58.890 --> 07:00.991 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but honestly, incredible, incredible. 07:01.291 --> 07:03.732 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, you know, I love them. 07:03.752 --> 07:06.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I know all the songs, you know, I learned guitar playing to all the songs and stuff. 07:06.554 --> 07:16.498 [SPEAKER_01]: But my wife didn't really know the songs that well, but she loved it just because just seeing the people in the audience, the like 70-year-old punk, you know, and they'd all dressed to impress, you know? 07:16.798 --> 07:17.278 [SPEAKER_01]: It was great. 07:17.318 --> 07:19.499 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just a real spectacle to be there, you know? 07:19.540 --> 07:20.420 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, yeah, I loved it. 07:20.860 --> 07:22.561 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the energy that you can't imagine. 07:23.321 --> 07:23.761 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course. 07:24.041 --> 07:24.641 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it. 07:24.761 --> 07:26.322 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the only of it did one album, really. 07:26.342 --> 07:27.562 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, one proper album. 07:27.582 --> 07:28.983 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was going to do the full album. 07:29.203 --> 07:31.483 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, they did the live album and stuff as well. 07:31.503 --> 07:32.324 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's bits and pieces. 07:32.404 --> 07:34.544 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there's one of the pieces. 07:34.564 --> 07:37.525 [SPEAKER_02]: The vicious, as Sid Vicious had kind of stayed around. 07:37.585 --> 07:43.247 [SPEAKER_02]: He was the, you know, the whole story is Sid and Nancy of these punk icon, you know, rebels. 07:43.267 --> 07:43.427 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:43.807 --> 07:48.709 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think if Sid Vicious had kind of kept it together, the sex pistols would have been bigger than they were? 07:49.833 --> 07:51.575 [SPEAKER_01]: No, because he couldn't play a note. 07:51.695 --> 07:52.716 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally couldn't play a note. 07:53.998 --> 07:58.002 [SPEAKER_01]: So Glenn Matlock, who is the original bass player with his experts tools, he's in the band now. 07:59.464 --> 08:02.828 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's the one, he wrote most of the songs, actually, as well. 08:03.548 --> 08:03.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 08:03.889 --> 08:05.110 [SPEAKER_01]: Sid, can you please play a note? 08:05.671 --> 08:06.972 [SPEAKER_02]: Literally, what was it? 08:07.172 --> 08:10.696 [SPEAKER_02]: So what was it that he became such a huge part of the lore? 08:11.577 --> 08:17.540 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a, I mean, if we go into the, I mean, the sex pistols were almost like a manufactured band. 08:17.560 --> 08:21.903 [SPEAKER_01]: So Markham McLaren and Vivian Westward home to shop called Sex in London. 08:22.603 --> 08:27.386 [SPEAKER_01]: And these, this, like, subculture built up a round of punk and stuff, you know. 08:27.766 --> 08:32.949 [SPEAKER_01]: But Markham McLaren was this sort of marketing guy and he's just like, well, they got no, they've got no music for them to hang their coat on here. 08:32.969 --> 08:37.211 [SPEAKER_01]: They listen to like, you know, teddy boy rock and rock ability and all that kind of stuff. 08:37.231 --> 08:38.052 [SPEAKER_01]: They were punk, you know. 08:38.566 --> 08:48.771 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're just like I'm going to put these band together, sort of the coolest people I come in the shop, so all the, you know, the striking people I came in, you put this band together, they couldn't replay at all, you know, but they sort of learned quickly. 08:49.432 --> 08:54.114 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and that's the sort of the birth of punk, really, and that's interesting. 08:54.294 --> 08:56.435 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, yeah, there's a documentary on them. 08:56.575 --> 08:58.936 [SPEAKER_02]: My wife and daughter watched it and they said it was really amazing. 08:58.956 --> 09:02.058 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, there's a great show. 09:02.118 --> 09:05.740 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's, who's on Disney Plus over here, just called Pistol. 09:06.395 --> 09:10.538 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a drama of how they got together and it's really, really good. 09:10.858 --> 09:11.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Really good. 09:11.299 --> 09:13.260 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably out here in the States. 09:13.340 --> 09:14.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Hulu in the States. 09:14.781 --> 09:15.061 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:15.442 --> 09:22.247 [SPEAKER_02]: They definitely had either a documentary or like a, well, maybe that was a documentary, maybe it was, I think it was more like, yeah, drama. 09:22.267 --> 09:25.109 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're talking about the same thing, but my wife said it was really, really good. 09:25.689 --> 09:27.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pistol, I think it must have been that, yeah. 09:28.111 --> 09:33.495 [SPEAKER_01]: But they did this whole thing then called the, there was a film and they did the talk, called the Great Rock and Roll Swindle. 09:34.348 --> 09:38.309 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's basically tongue-in-cheek because they'd fooled the world really, they, you know. 09:38.810 --> 09:45.112 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's how interesting it is that they're kind of like a kind of like a boy band, basically for punk rock. 09:45.152 --> 09:46.052 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. 09:46.072 --> 09:47.973 [SPEAKER_04]: And then you've actually been about that inspired. 09:47.993 --> 09:52.854 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure plenty of authentic or genuine kind of like punk bands of all kinds. 09:52.874 --> 09:53.855 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 09:54.870 --> 09:58.995 [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know what it was before it came out that they were like that. 09:59.015 --> 10:00.637 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that was the thing with punk. 10:00.657 --> 10:02.419 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't really have to be able to play, you know? 10:02.579 --> 10:04.882 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just, you know, you could pick a big guitar and you could play a punk song. 10:05.282 --> 10:07.425 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, your first song would be a punk song kind of thing, you know? 10:07.926 --> 10:08.346 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 10:09.127 --> 10:10.108 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, they've all seen it. 10:10.509 --> 10:10.789 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. 10:11.864 --> 10:18.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they've obviously been playing for 50 odd years now, so they've great musicians now, you know, anybody who plays guitar 50 years would be. 10:18.469 --> 10:23.753 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, it's a great story, and it was just great to see, you know, to see the whole thing, the whole spectacle of it all. 10:23.933 --> 10:24.353 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great. 10:24.513 --> 10:28.997 [SPEAKER_02]: See, I would think that the clash, I know, we're veering off the cliff right now, but 10:29.737 --> 10:48.026 [SPEAKER_02]: I would think that the clash was kind of like an antidote to the sex pistols in terms of they were very political, they were a little bit more skilled, musically, and they really kind of seized upon more that scostile and incorporating it into punk music. 10:48.826 --> 10:49.567 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely. 10:49.647 --> 10:53.749 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that they've definitely more skillful musicians, but they were 10:59.703 --> 11:05.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Did it was somebody cohesive, you know, and kind of stuff, but yeah, yeah, all the interesting stuff all good. 11:06.025 --> 11:07.066 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, interesting. 11:07.446 --> 11:09.466 [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing, Rebecca? 11:09.546 --> 11:10.327 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm doing a good. 11:10.487 --> 11:11.207 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, good. 11:11.407 --> 11:13.268 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 11:13.328 --> 11:20.950 [SPEAKER_04]: Actually to add to what Craig was saying about seeing bands recently, I saw my I guess kind of my my pseudo brother and law. 11:22.791 --> 11:26.532 [SPEAKER_04]: He's been touring around with a old metal band that's been touring since. 11:27.210 --> 11:33.733 [SPEAKER_04]: the early 80s, I guess like 82 or something like that called corrosion of consciousness. 11:35.393 --> 11:38.675 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think this corrosion of consciousness, one of something like that. 11:38.895 --> 11:42.757 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, it was really interesting to see all these older like 11:44.638 --> 12:02.553 [SPEAKER_04]: metal heads who were like there are plenty of people there on like there are a couple of people there with like oxygen bottles and female chairs but just like they're all in their leather but they're in their crazy t-shirts and stuff like that and but a lot of them are just kind of there wasn't any like 12:03.174 --> 12:09.862 [SPEAKER_04]: mosh pits or like do it circles the doom I think like that's everybody just kind of standing around the music It's good. 12:10.183 --> 12:16.811 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say is it corrosion of conformity conformity corrosion conformity you're right I've heard I'm on that website now. 12:16.871 --> 12:19.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is it very hard core band isn't it? 12:20.456 --> 12:21.276 [SPEAKER_04]: I think so. 12:21.316 --> 12:22.618 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 12:22.918 --> 12:27.863 [SPEAKER_04]: My brother-in-law was doing like the merch table, so I was kind of like just hanging out over by the merch table. 12:27.923 --> 12:29.384 [SPEAKER_04]: I knew nothing about the music. 12:29.865 --> 12:33.769 [SPEAKER_04]: He got me in there and so I just kind of hung out with him, but the music was good. 12:33.789 --> 12:39.855 [SPEAKER_04]: I was pleasantly surprised, but fucking they've been touring since before, like two years before I was born. 12:41.819 --> 12:48.805 [SPEAKER_04]: I think the only original member was the basis that still was up there, but the dude was, he's got to be in his cell. 12:48.825 --> 12:50.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Bobby Lam graph apparently. 12:50.607 --> 12:52.749 [SPEAKER_01]: Bobby Lam graph pepe pepe keenon. 12:53.434 --> 12:56.176 [SPEAKER_01]: Nick ship after Tura and what do you weatherman? 12:56.536 --> 12:58.057 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you weatherman on guitar? 12:58.257 --> 13:04.680 [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the same names, I'll tell you. 13:05.340 --> 13:11.744 [SPEAKER_04]: So I guess from me in the last week, oh actually let's see at the end of the last week. 13:12.344 --> 13:16.207 [SPEAKER_04]: I did a Q&A with my Patreon, which was really helpful or really good. 13:16.267 --> 13:33.638 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been talking about how what I want to do is start through my Patreon, start doing more, just kind of live streams, following my process of building these knives for my JAS set, but I also want to start doing interviews with people who are relevant to the different styles of knives that I'm going to be 13:34.678 --> 13:35.559 [SPEAKER_04]: trying to build. 13:36.239 --> 13:47.604 [SPEAKER_04]: And as well as talking, trying to do some interviews and conversations with collectors, some of the people that do the judging, just to like really help kids like, unfortunately, and like, that doesn't exist. 13:47.704 --> 13:48.925 [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's really taken the time. 13:49.805 --> 14:06.024 [SPEAKER_04]: To really dig in maybe here and there but like dig in and in to those conversations with those people who very specifically like are the judges or have been the judges for the dream and Smith or the master Smith ratings for the last decade or whatever, you know, and 14:06.945 --> 14:11.428 [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm fortunate to know those folks, and so it'll be cool opportunity to pull people in. 14:11.888 --> 14:19.573 [SPEAKER_04]: But anybody who's part of the Patreon, if you go over and let me know who you'd be interested in having me interview, let me know. 14:20.514 --> 14:25.917 [SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise, this last week, my kids birthday was yeah, Tuesday. 14:28.335 --> 14:35.459 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he's just turning 10, his friend of birthday, like the big party, is happening this weekend. 14:36.499 --> 14:39.141 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I've been doing a lot to get ready for the party. 14:39.781 --> 14:42.762 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm in charge of food, and he wanted pizza. 14:42.862 --> 14:45.344 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he's really in love with dogs. 14:45.404 --> 14:50.906 [SPEAKER_04]: And so I came up with this whole concept of a dog themed pizza rhea. 14:50.986 --> 14:52.967 [SPEAKER_04]: He just got a new dog named Zumi. 14:53.007 --> 14:55.389 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's going to be Zumi's Pupsarea. 14:56.229 --> 15:01.653 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're making some paparoni pizza and some mozzarella cheese pizza. 15:02.793 --> 15:07.156 [SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be a double cable pizza, which is just going to be like ground cooked up. 15:07.556 --> 15:09.538 [SPEAKER_04]: Cooked off ground sausage on top of the pizza. 15:10.518 --> 15:17.143 [SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be a mushroom pizza that is made from craminis because it looks like the shape of a dog when you cut the cross section of it. 15:17.843 --> 15:24.469 [SPEAKER_04]: dogs nose, um, and then he had a special crest for meat lovers piece of just covered with meat. 15:24.589 --> 15:27.512 [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm, but I got pizza boxes. 15:27.732 --> 15:28.893 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm making stencils. 15:29.093 --> 15:30.954 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll make sure to try to share those pictures out. 15:31.315 --> 15:41.784 [SPEAKER_04]: If, if I can get to that, but I want to make, I'm, I'm making customized pizza boxes with these dogs face on it and stuff like that, just to kind of like take it to the next level for him. 15:42.825 --> 15:45.127 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but that's kind of you dressed it up as a dog. 15:45.783 --> 16:07.068 [SPEAKER_04]: fuck no it's hot as hell here and there's been some insane fire super shout out to all of all of our people who like honestly like around the fucking world like africa like the middle of africa is absolutely on the fuck africa fire but all over the world's been suffering from these fires Italy um obviously Canada United States um 16:07.668 --> 16:08.688 [SPEAKER_04]: just all over the place. 16:08.728 --> 16:13.010 [SPEAKER_04]: So big our hearts go out to everybody who's might be struggling through some of that stuff. 16:13.090 --> 16:20.051 [SPEAKER_04]: Salem Strawl was posting about a fire that was happening like on the other side of the fucking highway from his house. 16:20.632 --> 16:24.853 [SPEAKER_04]: It was insane watching it just kind of like slowly roll over the hills. 16:25.593 --> 16:30.855 [SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, we're our thoughts, I fucking hate the thoughts and prayers, but we care 16:36.607 --> 16:37.207 [SPEAKER_04]: What else do I got? 16:37.427 --> 16:58.558 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I was just watching House of Dragon and I was having I had a good conversation with Carly I guess they did like this collaboration with HBO kind of to they made the swords and the HBO did a video around them and stuff like that and and I got promoted on their YouTube but that was back in like 2021 I guess and they've been watching but they haven't seen the swords really in the show and in the first 16:59.530 --> 17:17.399 [SPEAKER_04]: Or this is, in the third season, which I think is the current season, in the first episode, like two and a half minutes after the introduction, like the introduction to the show finishes, there's a picture of one of the swords, I think, of the characters. 17:17.739 --> 17:18.879 [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. 17:19.300 --> 17:19.540 [SPEAKER_04]: Amen. 17:20.340 --> 17:23.701 [SPEAKER_04]: Targaryen and he's like threatening. 17:23.721 --> 17:43.589 [SPEAKER_04]: They'd cut somebody's head off That but you can see it's still yeah, and you can see the damage deal blade right there with the pattern and everything It's a fucking cool sword is being made by a very talented maker from Sweden named Peter Johnson And yeah, it was super cool to see that and so I took a Korean screenshot and sent it to Karolane She was pretty pumped about that 17:45.232 --> 18:02.750 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, and I think lastly, um, but definitely not least, and we probably get into this later, but Jeff had a pretty scathing hot take the other day on his full last podcast with Ben C'mon, and I look forward to try to pick the pick and that bone actually after you actually, I wasn't going to bring this up, but it wasn't on the full blast podcast. 18:03.410 --> 18:03.951 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wasn't it? 18:04.091 --> 18:14.861 [SPEAKER_02]: And frankly, frankly, it was a whole big production because it was relatively, I'm, this is making me never want to go on another podcast again. 18:15.122 --> 18:15.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, guys. 18:15.622 --> 18:16.863 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing to do with the full blast podcast. 18:17.123 --> 18:18.204 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, whose podcast was it? 18:18.345 --> 18:18.605 [SPEAKER_04]: Tell me. 18:18.785 --> 18:24.671 [SPEAKER_02]: fucking fucking my my my my friends my friends over at the high carbon podcast. 18:25.012 --> 18:25.352 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 18:25.592 --> 18:26.513 [SPEAKER_02]: These motherfuckers. 18:26.974 --> 18:27.214 [SPEAKER_02]: That. 18:27.474 --> 18:28.215 [SPEAKER_02]: That are the. 18:28.615 --> 18:29.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 18:29.076 --> 18:30.778 [SPEAKER_02]: They're playing games over there. 18:31.058 --> 18:32.059 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't going to even bring it up. 18:32.099 --> 18:33.020 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't going to bring it up. 18:34.001 --> 18:34.481 [SPEAKER_02]: Save the. 18:35.662 --> 18:38.984 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm going to bradi a tease that we're going to go back to that whole thing. 18:39.024 --> 18:44.888 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go back to that whole thing because it was, yeah, it says high carbon on the goddamn. 18:45.308 --> 18:46.168 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry thing. 18:46.489 --> 18:46.909 [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was. 18:46.929 --> 18:53.633 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't, I don't do hot takes on full blast and it was the whole thing is stupid and you're going to have to wait. 18:54.753 --> 18:55.934 [SPEAKER_02]: to for us to get into it. 18:56.275 --> 19:04.322 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's that you know, it's interesting Craig you're saying that you got a new new cat What we had to put our cat to sleep last week. 19:04.542 --> 19:08.145 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I saw that. 19:08.226 --> 19:14.091 [SPEAKER_02]: It was my daughter's yeah 18-year-old cat My dad my daughter picked it out when she was very young. 19:14.291 --> 19:16.093 [SPEAKER_02]: It was actually the crazy part is 19:17.578 --> 19:20.460 [SPEAKER_02]: We got it right after my dad died. 19:20.800 --> 19:24.021 [SPEAKER_02]: And my dad died after the funeral at my sister's place. 19:24.722 --> 19:28.724 [SPEAKER_02]: My sister's a shelter not too far from my sister lives. 19:29.605 --> 19:31.766 [SPEAKER_02]: And we got it there when my daughter was very young. 19:31.786 --> 19:32.766 [SPEAKER_02]: She picked it out and stuff like that. 19:32.786 --> 19:39.710 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's been doing pretty good in the last, by saying last four months, he's really been just like, not doing hot. 19:39.830 --> 19:42.912 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we had, it was a very sad situation as a good cat. 19:43.692 --> 19:50.956 [SPEAKER_02]: that's one thing but it was interesting because the same day we had to we had to go through it you got a new cat and I was just like maybe that's the universe balancing it all out. 19:51.356 --> 19:53.117 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow and then it was a cat's name. 19:53.837 --> 19:56.058 [SPEAKER_02]: His name was uh you went all the names? 19:57.039 --> 19:57.599 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah wow. 19:57.639 --> 19:58.920 [SPEAKER_03]: Jerry is the real one. 19:59.420 --> 20:02.281 [SPEAKER_02]: Geronimo, J. Wow, J. 20:02.381 --> 20:05.802 [SPEAKER_02]: Z. Beyonce, and there's a few other names in there. 20:06.522 --> 20:08.342 [SPEAKER_02]: The goddamn cat, I had a million names of them. 20:08.742 --> 20:10.983 [SPEAKER_02]: I played these with good old Jerry, good old Jerry. 20:11.163 --> 20:13.983 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a great cat, and it was a very sad satin in their house. 20:14.324 --> 20:14.764 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 20:14.824 --> 20:18.725 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it was, we went out to something. 20:19.245 --> 20:28.547 [SPEAKER_02]: I visited my in-laws, and that was nice when we were in Wisconsin, and doing Wisconsin things like eating brots, and drinking boots, and all this bullshit, and beer, and we had a good time. 20:29.807 --> 20:30.588 [SPEAKER_02]: No fish fry. 20:30.768 --> 20:31.388 [SPEAKER_02]: No fish fry. 20:31.428 --> 20:34.590 [SPEAKER_02]: We did have we did go to a German place. 20:34.630 --> 20:39.873 [SPEAKER_02]: We normally go to once in a few years that has, like, traditional beer drinking games. 20:39.913 --> 20:41.033 [SPEAKER_02]: We did that with a lot of people. 20:41.093 --> 20:41.493 [SPEAKER_02]: I was fun. 20:42.254 --> 20:45.115 [SPEAKER_01]: And then what was the Welsh, Welsh connection? 20:45.155 --> 20:48.817 [SPEAKER_01]: You sent me picture that a well-flagged, well-flagged, well-flagged, well-flagged, well-flagged, well-flagged. 20:49.017 --> 20:57.582 [SPEAKER_02]: My, my father-in-law, has a Welsh flag hanging from the, his family comes from Scottish heritage. 20:58.162 --> 21:02.586 [SPEAKER_02]: And I looked outside and there's like, there's all these red cars and everything's red. 21:03.027 --> 21:04.748 [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's this Welsh flag. 21:04.788 --> 21:08.592 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, I'm going to send a picture of it to Craig saying, I'm near buying. 21:09.713 --> 21:11.534 [SPEAKER_02]: And you were like, what the hell? 21:12.015 --> 21:15.458 [SPEAKER_02]: And I asked my father, what's up with the Welsh flags? 21:15.498 --> 21:16.659 [SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, I like it. 21:16.699 --> 21:17.319 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that okay? 21:19.361 --> 21:21.242 [SPEAKER_01]: So it is the coolest flag to be fair. 21:21.422 --> 21:22.543 [SPEAKER_01]: It is the coolest flag to be fair. 21:22.563 --> 21:27.646 [SPEAKER_02]: It is definitely color combination wise it worked So that was that and then this week. 21:27.686 --> 21:28.566 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been madness. 21:28.846 --> 21:33.449 [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't had a whole lot of sleep I just wanted to drop my daughter off the airport at three o'clock in the morning to go. 21:33.469 --> 21:40.072 [SPEAKER_02]: She's going on a trip And we just air flight these days is not good We I haven't had a whole lot of sleep this week coming back. 21:40.112 --> 21:45.255 [SPEAKER_02]: We had delayed till then you can get home till four o'clock in the morning and then I I'm going to come to five to get back to work 21:45.775 --> 21:51.702 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I just, before we started recording, I just glued up 31 pairing knives. 21:52.383 --> 21:57.248 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I did another 30, in the last two days, gluing all these knives up, and I have a tip. 21:57.989 --> 21:59.411 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a great tip. 21:59.491 --> 22:06.319 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're gluing up a lot of knives with scales and corby bolts, you save my ass. 22:07.179 --> 22:16.502 [SPEAKER_02]: I have one of those, you know, like a battery power drill and you know the battery power drill you can change it from hammer drill to drill to screw a driver. 22:17.243 --> 22:24.545 [SPEAKER_02]: So I put it to driver, I put it in the second gear, the second gear, not one is for torque and two is for fast. 22:25.185 --> 22:33.368 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I ratcheted down the speed so it clicks, you know, because they make them so if you're doing a drywall. 22:33.928 --> 22:36.492 [SPEAKER_02]: you can stop at a certain point. 22:36.652 --> 22:39.496 [SPEAKER_02]: It stops it so you're not going all the way through the drywall. 22:39.636 --> 22:41.639 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can do that too with the Corby bolts. 22:41.719 --> 22:49.169 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have the right size bit and then I figured it out exactly how much pressure before it to stop to make sure I don't rip the Corby bolts apart. 22:50.190 --> 22:52.312 [SPEAKER_02]: and goddamn it, it's saved my ass. 22:52.893 --> 22:56.737 [SPEAKER_02]: I love using that, especially if you're doing a lot of them. 22:56.757 --> 23:08.187 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I was trying to, I didn't finish until 10 minutes before we started recording and I was just like, I gotta get these things glued up, I gotta start, and I get 60 stake knives, I gotta start finishing off, and I don't want to wait. 23:08.228 --> 23:12.912 [SPEAKER_02]: So that drill, that drill game, if you can just understand that, 23:14.253 --> 23:15.893 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you don't want to rip the threads. 23:15.913 --> 23:17.254 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to destroy the threads. 23:17.574 --> 23:22.455 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then And that was it was a life saver. 23:22.715 --> 23:25.956 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a huge huge fan of that, and then what are you doing these numbers for? 23:26.016 --> 23:27.616 [SPEAKER_04]: Is this just for inventory on your website? 23:27.636 --> 23:43.640 [SPEAKER_02]: No, this was a this was a we've got this club down in Tennessee Ordered some knives a couple weeks ago a month ago, and they were so happy within the ordered 60 more So we've done about a hundred for them already and I'm just trying to get these out the door so I can get ready for 23:44.721 --> 23:46.082 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of Christmas numbers. 23:46.102 --> 23:59.854 [SPEAKER_02]: We have to start to kind of work on and powers of all the different things and I'm finally getting caught up But getting this job out the door is really kind of like In very important to the point where I almost didn't go to Wisconsin just because it was just like Hillary I got it. 24:00.754 --> 24:01.155 [SPEAKER_02]: I got it. 24:01.195 --> 24:06.539 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to get the stuff done and I ended up not going as long as they did just because of like I got to get this work done 24:07.340 --> 24:25.022 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so yeah, so I'm really I'm really happy stabilized all this oak and have been doing it for a while and it's just been really good project where you using the kind of driver head that had like captures this group a little bit or yeah you got the careful because you know that's the other place right. 24:25.302 --> 24:40.889 [SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing is, the whole thing is, is every screw driver doesn't necessarily fit every screw, and these Corby bolts are not made like, usually milled somewhere, and the slot is not standard, and they're brass, so they're, you know, they're easy to, 24:41.529 --> 24:52.394 [SPEAKER_02]: kind of destroy so you really need to I have like a whole big box of different types of flathead screw bits and then I just make sure I got the right one. 24:53.335 --> 24:59.578 [SPEAKER_02]: It's nice so it's not I'm not I'm not shredding the or I'm not stripping the head yeah so. 24:59.818 --> 25:03.299 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish it was, I wish it was a, I wish it was a Phillips screw, but then no one does that. 25:03.579 --> 25:04.879 [SPEAKER_02]: Although they'd be too, too, too, too, too. 25:04.919 --> 25:06.100 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would be a pity to be so much easier. 25:06.380 --> 25:06.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:06.640 --> 25:07.680 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, or anything. 25:07.700 --> 25:10.861 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just, it's just how much you willing to pay for a Corbyball. 25:11.161 --> 25:14.262 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I'm just, I'm holding tied $2 a Corbyball. 25:14.282 --> 25:15.782 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to make sure I don't get them. 25:15.802 --> 25:17.182 [SPEAKER_04]: Holy, prices have gone up. 25:17.582 --> 25:18.723 [SPEAKER_04]: Last time I saw they were like $1.25. 25:19.883 --> 25:34.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Not I mean not really I mean this been about I mean it's been it's not for not really oh dollar twenty for I don't know what kind of two people to get and I'm getting you know the brass ones and they're five eight five sixteenths head and so they're not it's little 25:35.315 --> 25:39.600 [SPEAKER_02]: For some reason, the smaller ones are more expensive and the bigger ones go, you know, go figure. 25:40.461 --> 25:45.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just keep away from those stainless ones, because they are all for you. 25:45.607 --> 25:47.109 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, are all to work with. 25:47.269 --> 25:47.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Terrible. 25:47.730 --> 25:48.591 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally terrible. 25:48.651 --> 25:48.971 [SPEAKER_02]: Really? 25:49.392 --> 25:49.832 [SPEAKER_01]: Why is that? 25:50.213 --> 25:53.577 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're, usually if you're good, tougha, go ahead. 25:53.917 --> 25:54.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead. 25:54.397 --> 25:55.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was saying, because they're tougher. 25:56.017 --> 26:05.139 [SPEAKER_01]: When you cut them down first, then when you start grinding them down, your generally get, like the wood will go before the stainless. 26:05.480 --> 26:07.060 [SPEAKER_01]: So you never get this completely flush. 26:07.080 --> 26:08.500 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard to get and really flush. 26:08.800 --> 26:10.401 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah. 26:10.501 --> 26:12.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're just a nightmare to work with. 26:12.301 --> 26:16.502 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, you know, you want to be nicely polished as well with brass as easy to polish, and you get a lovely finish. 26:17.422 --> 26:20.223 [SPEAKER_01]: The moment you start using stainless, you start sort of biting into it. 26:20.363 --> 26:25.205 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, particularly wood, you start biting into that man as well and he's just chasing you tail all the time. 26:25.565 --> 26:26.025 [SPEAKER_01]: I got you. 26:26.325 --> 26:36.869 [SPEAKER_04]: I always try to use a like a some sort of backing when I'm cutting whether it's a non-ferrous metal stainless, but especially the stainless, I agree with stainless and it picks up a lot of heat. 26:36.889 --> 26:38.350 [SPEAKER_04]: I actually all agree with you. 26:38.490 --> 26:39.390 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 26:39.490 --> 26:39.750 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 26:39.930 --> 26:44.472 [SPEAKER_04]: But the stainless, I feel like I've had more issues with the stainless when I've done those in the past. 26:45.512 --> 27:06.031 [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I've just having some sort of backing or using the platform as a backing when I'm grinding to help just keep because that that undercutting of the wood around the bolt is I don't know that that's an amateur move to let that go by Yeah, I feel like so yeah, it is kind of tricky, but yeah, that's the truth talk. 27:06.091 --> 27:09.595 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes When you think if like you're 27:11.078 --> 27:16.239 [SPEAKER_01]: sort of, you know, the range of knives that you do now, you know, you're going to set them out of models that you do. 27:16.860 --> 27:29.963 [SPEAKER_01]: When you're making sort of stock knives, you know, that you're going to go up on the website and that kind of thing, are you doing them by model, so you will have like a week doing a certain blade, then a week doing another blade, that kind of thing, or are you just, you know, whatever. 27:30.423 --> 27:48.552 [SPEAKER_02]: Great question, because we'll just back it up ahead, what we tried to do is we wanted to come up with something that would push people towards buying it as opposed to going through customs, because customs becomes, it's always, you know, it's always a lot of emails, it's a lot of extra labor. 27:49.592 --> 28:16.005 [SPEAKER_02]: We came up with two specific models that are standard and then we made the price cheaper than the customs because You're getting a better deal and you're is a lot of less, you know, talking Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so what I'll do is is well, I mean once I finished this 60 I'm gonna just try to look at the most popular models and then do Maybe five of each and then just start to work through I'll have a few of each 28:17.305 --> 28:22.489 [SPEAKER_02]: And then once I get all cleared up like I know that I'm not going to have to do too many I'll waste your knives. 28:22.529 --> 28:40.340 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that I'm not going to do too many forks But I'll have like I'll probably do 15 one another 15 another another 15 another and I'll just try to kind of like push him into our weekly batch Yeah, but I want to like you know if I we have a I got sent a list by Christmas that was 28:41.996 --> 28:42.356 [SPEAKER_02]: huge. 28:42.817 --> 28:57.068 [SPEAKER_02]: But I actually have a story that's interesting because I think it's part of what we're doing and I'm going to be vague about it just because it's a happy and this week and you know we talk about customer service and all the work we're doing and a lot of times I'll say you know I'll say in this podcast nobody cares. 28:57.689 --> 28:59.591 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a good nobody care story. 29:00.731 --> 29:07.197 [SPEAKER_02]: We got a custom order, it was a rush job with this woman who wanted something to very specific and we could do it. 29:07.257 --> 29:08.378 [SPEAKER_02]: I was happy to do it. 29:09.018 --> 29:22.543 [SPEAKER_02]: And then there was a water color that was added on and I had a really short amount of time and then we had to get the stencil made and then I made the knife and we were basically waiting on the stencil and I was about to go to Wisconsin. 29:23.204 --> 29:25.865 [SPEAKER_02]: I ended up getting the stencil showed up Thursday night. 29:26.025 --> 29:28.386 [SPEAKER_02]: I ran to the shop at like seven o'clock at night. 29:28.486 --> 29:30.346 [SPEAKER_02]: I put all the stencils together, wrap the whole thing up. 29:31.287 --> 29:36.729 [SPEAKER_02]: Five o'clock, the next morning I got away, got the label made and ran to the post office on the way to the airport. 29:36.969 --> 29:39.111 [SPEAKER_02]: We did whatever he could to make sure they went through fast. 29:40.292 --> 29:41.933 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the knife was great. 29:41.953 --> 29:44.435 [SPEAKER_02]: I love the way I said, I even sent a picture to Allison. 29:44.475 --> 29:47.977 [SPEAKER_02]: I sent a picture to the watercoloured Allison, and we really, I was really happy with how it all turned out. 29:48.738 --> 29:53.201 [SPEAKER_02]: We got a message that the person who bought it was very disappointed. 29:54.202 --> 29:54.662 [SPEAKER_02]: What? 29:54.962 --> 29:55.623 [SPEAKER_02]: Very disappointed. 29:56.323 --> 30:02.508 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I was supposed to put a note on it, you know, saying this is something something something from somebody's somebody's. 30:03.148 --> 30:05.510 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, Dallas, and I did put the note. 30:05.550 --> 30:07.172 [SPEAKER_02]: I put the note on the back of the watercolor. 30:07.192 --> 30:08.413 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not putting it on the front of the watercolor. 30:08.433 --> 30:10.014 [SPEAKER_02]: The only number one is, I just wanna look at it. 30:10.034 --> 30:11.576 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the watercolor looks great. 30:12.156 --> 30:13.758 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really happy with how it turned out. 30:13.798 --> 30:15.780 [SPEAKER_02]: And I wanna ruin with my disgusting handwriting. 30:15.800 --> 30:16.560 [SPEAKER_02]: My handwriting's terrible. 30:16.821 --> 30:19.983 [SPEAKER_02]: You know right at the Magna Carta, you're in the back, you know? 30:20.804 --> 30:22.265 [SPEAKER_02]: And then she's all great, I'll let her know. 30:22.806 --> 30:28.211 [SPEAKER_02]: And she said, well apparently, you didn't say, front love from the family. 30:29.557 --> 30:32.399 [SPEAKER_04]: What are you fucking floors to Jesus? 30:32.419 --> 30:33.039 [SPEAKER_04]: No worries. 30:33.099 --> 30:34.140 [SPEAKER_02]: Bro, bro. 30:34.380 --> 30:36.221 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was just like, that's not impossible. 30:36.241 --> 30:38.202 [SPEAKER_02]: So I looked at the note that was on the Shopify. 30:38.642 --> 30:40.603 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I looked back and I missed it. 30:41.163 --> 30:49.108 [SPEAKER_02]: I had the note, I had the note, I had everything, but I didn't have from this family. 30:49.348 --> 30:50.429 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't do that right often. 30:50.749 --> 30:52.069 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what happened. 30:52.450 --> 30:56.292 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't tell you it's so unlike me because I wrote the whole note that was on the thing. 30:56.352 --> 30:57.793 [SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't write who was from. 30:59.073 --> 31:06.599 [SPEAKER_02]: And we were a period of polygetic, and it was hilarious, but it was just part of the whole thing of the knife was awesome. 31:06.619 --> 31:07.300 [SPEAKER_02]: It works great. 31:07.320 --> 31:08.721 [SPEAKER_02]: The wood was really, really great. 31:08.741 --> 31:12.263 [SPEAKER_02]: The stencil came out awesome, the note came out awesome, the watercolor came out awesome. 31:12.643 --> 31:15.245 [SPEAKER_02]: We gave her a break on something or something, I don't know any percent sure. 31:15.806 --> 31:19.068 [SPEAKER_02]: But we didn't put love from the blanks. 31:20.289 --> 31:23.011 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were disappointed in the product project. 31:23.031 --> 31:24.813 [SPEAKER_02]: So no matter how much you work, 31:25.493 --> 31:36.638 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, are we, are we, am I thinking that this is, in my opinion, in the beginning, I was just like, I have a person, you know, we'll figure it out and it's going to, you know, wants to make sure that everything's taken care of and we're going to make sure that she's not unhappy. 31:36.838 --> 31:40.480 [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't say well by money back, but, you know, she was disappointed. 31:41.280 --> 31:50.288 [SPEAKER_02]: rightly so because the woman didn't know who was from right and the funniest part is is like at the end of the game I'm I'm not upset about it. 31:50.308 --> 31:51.789 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not beat myself up over it. 31:52.410 --> 31:57.995 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm disappointed that I missed it We had a lot going on because the cat dying I can't sleep running in the goddamn thing 31:58.655 --> 32:22.422 [SPEAKER_02]: All I didn't do was write from whatever Yeah, and What it comes down to is no matter how long you spend say hand-sending no matter how long you spend forging no matter how long you when it comes down to in some situations You it's people don't care Okay, okay, yeah Very interesting. 32:22.482 --> 32:22.683 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 32:23.143 --> 32:23.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:23.843 --> 32:23.983 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow 32:25.780 --> 32:27.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Well back on, back on to Corby Boltz. 32:28.001 --> 32:28.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know a lot? 32:28.741 --> 32:30.582 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know who sells them in packs of 10? 32:30.702 --> 32:31.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me. 32:32.022 --> 32:33.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Maritimelifesupply.com. 32:34.683 --> 32:41.805 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we were just talking about having bolts that didn't have just like a, you know, like a flat head to them for screwdriver. 32:42.505 --> 32:44.346 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know what Laura's got and got. 32:44.666 --> 32:44.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me. 32:44.986 --> 32:45.846 [SPEAKER_01]: Gold so both. 32:45.986 --> 32:46.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Gold so bolts. 32:47.507 --> 32:47.987 [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck? 32:48.047 --> 32:50.608 [SPEAKER_01]: So they call these, but they've got, they've, they've, they've, they've 32:51.249 --> 33:02.073 [SPEAKER_01]: Gold, gold, so, gold, so bolts, they're core bees, but they've got the star head fit in, you know, they need to just go to, rather than just as plain, slotted head. 33:03.514 --> 33:06.615 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, they've got so much more, everything you possibly need. 33:07.495 --> 33:17.979 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, abrasive steel belt, handle materials, tools, forgels, and more, go take a look, maritime, no supply.com, I have search for the gold, so 33:22.188 --> 33:24.048 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, could I say the codies with a star head to them? 33:24.148 --> 33:25.929 [SPEAKER_02]: Because nobody wants plain ol' head. 33:27.269 --> 33:30.910 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you're gonna, if you're gonna get a head, get special, get it specially done, yeah. 33:32.570 --> 33:33.690 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, there's the lot. 33:33.750 --> 33:36.210 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'll prefer a slot over a Philip slot. 33:36.270 --> 33:37.211 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, yo. 33:38.451 --> 33:39.971 [SPEAKER_04]: Watch out, watch out. 33:40.091 --> 33:43.852 [SPEAKER_04]: Are you seeing gold, soul, or gold? 33:43.872 --> 33:48.213 [SPEAKER_01]: Gold, so G, G, U, L, S, O, gold, so bolts. 33:48.833 --> 33:49.453 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, interesting. 33:49.473 --> 33:50.273 [SPEAKER_04]: I've never heard that before. 33:51.344 --> 33:52.284 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a new one. 33:52.304 --> 33:54.105 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got. 33:54.405 --> 33:55.345 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's what we got. 33:55.445 --> 33:56.605 [SPEAKER_02]: We got great questions. 33:56.665 --> 33:57.966 [SPEAKER_02]: We have audio feedback. 33:57.986 --> 33:59.146 [SPEAKER_02]: We have listener feedback. 33:59.726 --> 34:02.727 [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess I have to explain myself later. 34:03.127 --> 34:05.087 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a bone to play. 34:05.127 --> 34:05.667 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine. 34:05.747 --> 34:12.949 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, uh, those guys are my guys, but they, uh, they play games. 34:13.309 --> 34:14.349 [SPEAKER_02]: They play games with their reals. 34:15.189 --> 34:15.830 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 34:15.850 --> 34:17.570 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's stop with some feedback then, shall we? 34:17.750 --> 34:19.691 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so let me get my glasses on hold you got. 34:19.931 --> 34:21.872 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's a that's a secondary tease. 34:22.152 --> 34:28.855 [SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, um, for our, our 450 first episode of, um, of night talk. 34:28.995 --> 34:32.797 [SPEAKER_02]: So the first thing we're going to talk about is we have a listener feedback. 34:32.817 --> 34:45.323 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to go to night talk podcast and Instagram, you can, um, you can do a listener feedback where you send us a DM and then just like our man Ben from EDC Gearhouse has done and here's what Ben has to say. 34:46.718 --> 34:54.260 [SPEAKER_03]: Gentlemen, I hope this is coming in clear because I'm doing it for my car and not that great with technology. 34:54.600 --> 35:05.242 [SPEAKER_03]: I was listening to Selen the brand and wanted to chime in with the about the discussion about Selen out, you know, cash and out, whatever, whatever. 35:05.902 --> 35:12.724 [SPEAKER_03]: We actually, my company way of noise, we actually put something on our website called The Great Buyout. 35:17.185 --> 35:23.808 [SPEAKER_03]: And we say that you get the company, you get the building, you get all of our tools. 35:24.028 --> 35:31.010 [SPEAKER_03]: We also will teach everybody, you know, we'll teach your team, all of our services and all that shit. 35:31.850 --> 35:43.715 [SPEAKER_03]: And also it guarantees us six months to a year, salary, well working salary, and... 35:45.240 --> 36:11.185 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember, I think we were discussing a percentage as well of the company, so you sell, we retain 5% or 10% or something like that, but yeah, I don't think it is selling out to all of the knife makers and people in the knife community, all of us, they're as pretty much man, so unless you're making some corny comments like get milk cut, it's probably 36:15.495 --> 36:30.288 [UNKNOWN]: I think I would lose my mind if I saw Morocco on a Dremel advertising, dude, but that's my guy, dude, like, sorry for you, but, yeah, go sell out, man, we've all worked enough, see you guys. 36:31.329 --> 36:35.133 [SPEAKER_02]: There you go, you see your house as Dremel, get a hold of our boy. 36:35.815 --> 36:37.496 [SPEAKER_04]: We've all worked enough, I like that. 36:38.336 --> 36:39.576 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Dremel Mommassie. 36:40.217 --> 36:40.517 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 36:40.937 --> 36:43.978 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the quote is, it's enough already. 36:44.238 --> 36:46.079 [SPEAKER_02]: It's enough already. 36:46.119 --> 36:46.899 [SPEAKER_02]: Show me the money. 36:47.119 --> 36:47.739 [SPEAKER_02]: Tell me the money. 36:48.960 --> 36:49.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. 36:49.800 --> 36:51.220 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's selling out. 36:51.321 --> 36:54.182 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's the end of the day, it's a business. 36:54.302 --> 36:56.442 [SPEAKER_01]: And what most must be doing this, because it's a business. 36:56.522 --> 36:57.803 [SPEAKER_01]: And what this is, how are you in our money? 36:58.643 --> 37:02.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, I don't, I don't the anything selling out to you if it's your business. 37:02.546 --> 37:04.267 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, you know, it's bringing money in. 37:04.327 --> 37:04.987 [SPEAKER_01]: It's doing the job. 37:05.307 --> 37:12.992 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that, I think that the part of the selling out that seems, and I would imagine the goalpost is different for a lot of people. 37:13.132 --> 37:18.736 [SPEAKER_02]: I would think that it's when you're selling out as you're selling out your scruples and your morals, right? 37:18.756 --> 37:20.577 [SPEAKER_02]: And your ethics, your own personal ethics. 37:20.597 --> 37:21.218 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you're like, 37:22.058 --> 37:30.663 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you have these personal opinions about something and then all of a sudden you change all your opinions just for a cash grab That's a different situation, right? 37:30.723 --> 37:31.784 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a different situation. 37:31.824 --> 37:32.244 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously. 37:32.284 --> 37:32.525 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 37:32.565 --> 37:47.654 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so like if you know like Dremel on sub-gift Mereko so money even though we've said it is the worst tool And And it is a cursed it's a cursed tool and now of a sudden he's flocking Dremel's for you know 37:51.095 --> 37:53.416 [SPEAKER_02]: I got no problem with it. 37:54.016 --> 37:58.538 [SPEAKER_02]: Some people will be like, yes, fucking guy was dog in Dremel for years now. 37:58.658 --> 38:00.758 [SPEAKER_02]: I do it too. 38:00.838 --> 38:02.179 [SPEAKER_03]: It sells a bucket of Dremels. 38:02.599 --> 38:04.560 [SPEAKER_02]: I've always heard what you mean to rest is says much about Dremel. 38:05.705 --> 38:24.261 [SPEAKER_04]: I've always heard selling out in reference to either a visual artist, like a painter or something like that, or a musician, but I feel like it mostly, from what I've experienced or seen, it's mostly coming from the audience who feels like a sense of ownership. 38:24.721 --> 38:41.846 [SPEAKER_04]: of like helping to discover and raise this person up and find and then the person either gets like a big deal or they sell their shit or like they start like fucking Rachel Ray puts her name on it fucking everything kind of situation but good for her like ultimately like I still feel like 38:43.262 --> 38:50.165 [SPEAKER_04]: The creative person who started the concepts has the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want with it, right? 38:50.445 --> 38:57.688 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I can see why the audience can be frustrated, but at the same time it's not theirs. 38:58.748 --> 39:05.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's a really good point that you've made that they've sort of bought into it and they they have some sort of ownership of it I can completely see that. 39:05.512 --> 39:21.481 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you talk to what you know like music and stuff, you know, is that thing, you know, every love call plays first album, you know But after that, they sort of sold out people thinking that and that, you know, yeah, well when things get popular and People are pandering to the populist sort of 39:22.703 --> 39:23.063 [SPEAKER_01]: pound. 39:23.764 --> 39:26.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can see how it could be seen as selling out. 39:26.785 --> 39:28.506 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you're right. 39:28.846 --> 39:30.987 [SPEAKER_01]: The artist, it's there, it's there, I think. 39:31.427 --> 39:33.668 [SPEAKER_01]: It's there vision what they want to be for. 39:33.708 --> 39:35.509 [SPEAKER_01]: What they want to be making is what they want to do. 39:35.529 --> 39:38.411 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, but if you are then, then, 39:40.453 --> 39:44.535 [SPEAKER_01]: I say sell in your soul for the money doing something that you don't believe in. 39:44.875 --> 39:56.901 [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's yeah, that's maybe an issue Yeah, I agree with the morals things that Jeff was saying like if you start to yeah, fuck with morals and doing bad like That's a different situation Yeah, based on somebody you are I key. 39:56.921 --> 40:05.445 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like if it's your IP and it's you're not doing anything that's hurting anybody It's just hurting people's feelings like what the fuck like whatever 40:06.648 --> 40:19.720 [SPEAKER_02]: People of opinion, you hear people say, oh, I like them better before they, you know, sure, you know, and they're actually, what I was saying, when I was a kid in high school, there was a band, you probably heard of them in the 90s. 40:19.740 --> 40:22.762 [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot the name of the band, but they did an album called Pocket Full of Cryptomite. 40:23.743 --> 40:24.404 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about. 40:24.725 --> 40:27.209 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, even that band. 40:27.289 --> 40:28.331 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a pocket for the cryptone. 40:28.691 --> 40:32.497 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay They did two princes as well. 40:32.557 --> 40:32.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Right? 40:32.778 --> 40:34.400 [SPEAKER_02]: Two princes right that that band. 40:34.420 --> 40:34.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 40:34.621 --> 40:34.781 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 40:34.801 --> 40:38.327 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you'll you'll I'll Famp and you'll find doctors spin doctors 40:39.087 --> 40:40.288 [SPEAKER_02]: It's my friend. 40:40.568 --> 40:41.068 [SPEAKER_02]: My friend. 40:41.088 --> 40:46.930 [SPEAKER_02]: My high school friends band used to open for them in New York and we used to go to the show. 40:46.950 --> 40:48.090 [SPEAKER_02]: She's our friend's band. 40:48.330 --> 40:51.411 [SPEAKER_02]: My high school friends band was opening for the spin doctors. 40:51.431 --> 40:52.991 [SPEAKER_02]: We thought the spin doctors were super cool. 40:53.011 --> 40:54.552 [SPEAKER_02]: They're playing these little clubs in Manhattan. 40:55.152 --> 41:02.155 [SPEAKER_02]: Next thing, you know, they're on MTV and they're all doing all this stuff and all these people be like, God, don't you remember when they used to play in these little clubs in New York? 41:02.335 --> 41:05.037 [SPEAKER_02]: They were so much cooler than they really sold out. 41:05.737 --> 41:11.360 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, you know, that was, I just remember people being like, yeah, I don't care about them anymore. 41:11.600 --> 41:16.322 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was a lot of it was because I knew them when they were like, really struggling. 41:16.342 --> 41:18.703 [SPEAKER_02]: And now they're like, you know, park Avenue guys. 41:18.723 --> 41:18.783 [SPEAKER_02]: And 41:18.823 --> 41:25.228 [SPEAKER_04]: One of probably feels like you have some like, sense of exclusivity or you found something special and nobody really knows about it. 41:25.248 --> 41:35.157 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like you're a little like secret thing, but then once it becomes more well known and it loses its specialness, at least to the audience, I feel like. 41:35.357 --> 41:36.638 [SPEAKER_04]: And then they, shit on it. 41:39.320 --> 42:04.277 [SPEAKER_02]: if you like the phones jump in the shock yeah jump in the shark yeah jump in the shark hit him with the hind yeah i think it's interesting we have another one about uh selling you know this is this is an offer this is from our man Nick Edwards Nick Edwards says the life talk host today's lucky day the rolling disk sharpener company wants to sponsor you to the tune of 80 grand a year 42:04.897 --> 42:09.621 [SPEAKER_02]: All you have to do is show you finishing your knives on a rolling disk. 42:10.281 --> 42:14.705 [SPEAKER_02]: In all your videos and tell your followers that they're the fastest and best way to sharpen your knives. 42:15.686 --> 42:18.888 [SPEAKER_02]: So eight in my immediately said 80 grand a piece or we have to split it. 42:22.150 --> 42:25.851 [SPEAKER_02]: I like, you know, I have a scum, I have no scum. 42:25.871 --> 42:35.635 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, those rolling things that we all think are, like, you know, deadliest of, I'm convinced, and I'm only saying it's just because it just doesn't make a lot of sense of you have a long knife. 42:36.115 --> 42:43.197 [SPEAKER_02]: That magnet, I cannot believe that magnet's gonna hold while you're rolling that, you know, we lob, whatever they hold you like can. 42:43.897 --> 42:47.739 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not gonna pull the knife off the tip when you're at in the end of the knife. 42:49.400 --> 42:55.840 [SPEAKER_02]: If they offer us 80 grand apiece, what are you doing guys, 80 grand apiece for a year. 42:57.448 --> 42:58.830 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just be as a sponsor. 42:59.470 --> 43:01.832 [SPEAKER_04]: God, that would be nice though 80 grand. 43:01.952 --> 43:07.657 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's different than like you can't do anything You just have to like do a couple videos using the IP into it. 43:07.877 --> 43:08.558 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be into it. 43:08.598 --> 43:09.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Get in touch. 43:09.879 --> 43:12.521 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you Look those chicks got eat, right? 43:13.722 --> 43:14.303 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna pay that. 43:14.323 --> 43:19.667 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, feed them chicks Exactly, we got 114 people in my family now 43:20.988 --> 43:29.673 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got to I got to take the guys we got to take this gonna take the sponsorship all those chicks and can it help for you themselves My kids are doing my kids are expecting me. 43:29.693 --> 43:33.716 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to sell out for this sake of my children Yeah, let us take a chicken feed. 43:33.896 --> 43:35.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 80 Gs. 43:35.537 --> 43:38.138 [SPEAKER_02]: I better like I better figure out a system. 43:38.879 --> 43:40.320 [SPEAKER_02]: I better like I better get it 43:41.240 --> 43:43.261 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been a really make sure it works. 43:43.401 --> 43:44.702 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that would be the issue. 43:44.722 --> 43:46.863 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to make sure it really works. 43:47.784 --> 43:51.366 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're going to have a fake attitude, it's got your face up, it's got your face up. 43:51.386 --> 43:53.267 [SPEAKER_01]: Big circle a bit, it's your face then. 43:53.347 --> 43:54.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at it, everybody. 43:54.588 --> 43:55.749 [SPEAKER_01]: Every time they use it. 43:56.009 --> 44:02.152 [SPEAKER_02]: Spinning like a little, with my tongue sticking out, boom, boom, boom, every time you're frozen, sharp as a bug, and I'm like, we googly eyes. 44:02.172 --> 44:02.873 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's not that bad. 44:06.611 --> 44:07.631 [SPEAKER_02]: That makes that noise. 44:07.651 --> 44:08.172 [SPEAKER_02]: Are we talking to roll it? 44:08.192 --> 44:22.337 [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh 44:22.477 --> 44:28.420 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to be able to be like, yeah, this really does work and if it doesn't work, then you got to make that decision. 44:28.620 --> 44:39.464 [SPEAKER_02]: Because all of a sudden, I'm going to take the money, but I'm also going to deactivate my telephone, deactivate your phone, deactivate your Instagram, also your media's gone for the next year. 44:40.165 --> 44:42.366 [SPEAKER_02]: And then take the 80. 44:43.687 --> 44:52.732 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well with that with that Jeff in you know if we're talking real terms Who would you you know if you could anybody to shop you knives any system? 44:52.752 --> 44:53.333 [SPEAKER_01]: What was system? 44:53.373 --> 44:54.414 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you use oh? 44:54.434 --> 44:55.234 [SPEAKER_02]: I did it today. 44:55.274 --> 44:57.255 [SPEAKER_02]: He's tourmic tourmic are great. 44:58.036 --> 45:05.741 [SPEAKER_02]: I really really like the versatility of them They've made me a better knife maker by far you can use the jigs You don't have to use the jigs. 45:05.761 --> 45:08.383 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a lot of attachments and it's very user friendly 45:09.545 --> 45:15.040 [SPEAKER_02]: highly highly recommend tourmic and you should to go tourmic underscore sharpening instagram tourmic.com 45:16.422 --> 45:39.714 [SPEAKER_02]: We have Some cool gli stick them on your toe Yeah, I get some cool gli-eyed rollers my face I think that's a noxist mix That's the fader dish That's for the fader dish We got to do that We have a very armanized by new just never disappoints We have another sellout situation And knives is not my man I'm man to arman Tom 45:40.774 --> 45:41.874 [SPEAKER_02]: He's ready to sell out. 45:42.075 --> 45:42.455 [SPEAKER_02]: My boy. 45:42.735 --> 45:43.575 [SPEAKER_02]: He put it his time. 45:43.995 --> 45:45.755 [SPEAKER_02]: He put in his time. 45:45.796 --> 45:47.236 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a law enforcement guy. 45:47.256 --> 45:48.956 [SPEAKER_02]: And now he, I don't know what the hell he's thinking. 45:48.976 --> 45:50.457 [SPEAKER_02]: He got himself a nice company. 45:50.477 --> 45:51.697 [SPEAKER_02]: He's working his ass off. 45:51.717 --> 45:52.537 [SPEAKER_02]: He's ready to sell out. 45:52.577 --> 45:53.978 [SPEAKER_02]: So here's the sell out situation. 45:55.018 --> 45:58.759 [SPEAKER_02]: For 1.5 million dollars after taxes. 45:59.686 --> 46:13.291 [SPEAKER_02]: You get hired for a three month speaking tour in the UK where you have to speak out against the dangers of sharp tip knives and how they should be banned in the name of public safety. 46:13.872 --> 46:18.894 [SPEAKER_02]: You can keep your business after the tour but going forward you can only make knives with rounded tips. 46:23.822 --> 46:26.104 [SPEAKER_02]: Gotta like, gotta get out there and you gotta speak about them. 46:26.604 --> 46:30.347 [SPEAKER_02]: Sharp ass knives, pointy ass knives, what do you do? 46:30.587 --> 46:32.389 [SPEAKER_01]: Show me the money, show me the money. 46:32.409 --> 46:39.314 [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't even have to ask him, Craig's, Craig's, Craig's, Craig's, Craig's barrier for entry is very low. 46:39.935 --> 46:41.256 [SPEAKER_02]: This is very, very low. 46:41.276 --> 46:42.797 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the Snickers at a hot dog. 46:42.917 --> 46:45.599 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the last week, his Snickers at a sausage roll. 46:46.139 --> 46:47.481 [SPEAKER_02]: You're good to get an hot dog, yeah. 46:49.762 --> 46:52.024 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think, Barack, a 1.5 mil, that's a pretty tough 46:53.776 --> 46:56.718 [SPEAKER_04]: to talk about the safety, right? 46:57.218 --> 47:00.880 [SPEAKER_02]: And then all your knives going forward, you can't have a sharp tip. 47:01.601 --> 47:02.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't have a sharp tip. 47:02.781 --> 47:03.502 [SPEAKER_01]: Can't have a pointy. 47:03.542 --> 47:04.142 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to work. 47:04.918 --> 47:06.019 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to work with it, right? 47:06.039 --> 47:13.086 [SPEAKER_01]: So six months before the tour begins, you need to start making your range now with no sharp tip. 47:13.647 --> 47:18.671 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you're out and you're telling people about the benefits of this, you've got some to sell them at the same time, then as well. 47:18.752 --> 47:23.376 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, well, once this is all announced, he's talking about the mansion now. 47:23.456 --> 47:23.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 47:24.077 --> 47:24.958 [SPEAKER_02]: Sources are okay. 47:25.038 --> 47:26.499 [SPEAKER_01]: Once this is all announced, you're the man. 47:26.519 --> 47:28.901 [SPEAKER_01]: People want people on that, but record round tip then, you know? 47:29.982 --> 47:31.623 [SPEAKER_02]: You are, that's why you're the man. 47:31.643 --> 47:32.683 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you are the man. 47:32.703 --> 47:33.643 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you are the man. 47:33.923 --> 47:35.384 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you are the man, correct? 47:35.684 --> 47:37.664 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're already pre prepping this whole thing. 47:37.684 --> 47:38.925 [SPEAKER_02]: We're waiting for that three months. 47:38.965 --> 47:45.107 [SPEAKER_02]: So three we need to we need to back it up half a year And then all of a sudden we're talking to you. 47:45.127 --> 47:45.987 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't understand these. 47:46.007 --> 47:50.968 [SPEAKER_02]: And I have just so dangerous, but if you buy my knife The market is all yours. 47:51.008 --> 47:52.649 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you're priming the pump. 47:53.590 --> 48:02.755 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... how long is the tour three months but from then on you can't make any sharp you can make me point deep nives in perpetuity perpetuity 48:03.424 --> 48:03.604 [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm. 48:04.505 --> 48:04.745 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. 48:05.026 --> 48:05.226 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 48:06.427 --> 48:06.728 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah. 48:06.808 --> 48:07.428 [SPEAKER_02]: Good man. 48:07.468 --> 48:08.750 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's say that was a yep. 48:08.970 --> 48:10.091 [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of hard? 48:10.311 --> 48:10.752 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 48:10.772 --> 48:12.213 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, it's good to me. 48:12.754 --> 48:14.116 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't I can think that happened. 48:14.136 --> 48:15.037 [SPEAKER_02]: I can make that shit happen. 48:15.277 --> 48:15.978 [SPEAKER_02]: I can sell it. 48:15.998 --> 48:19.742 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can sell ice to I can sell ice to the fucking molar bears. 48:20.162 --> 48:22.124 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm doing about that dog. 48:22.585 --> 48:25.328 [SPEAKER_02]: That would I and I'm I as soon as I was reading those just like I 48:26.003 --> 48:28.165 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I could make sad talk. 48:28.185 --> 48:30.386 [SPEAKER_02]: San Toku would be not a pointy tip. 48:30.406 --> 48:30.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right? 48:31.407 --> 48:33.228 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, put a little bit of extra on the end. 48:33.748 --> 48:38.652 [SPEAKER_04]: It'll, you know, extra on the, you just become a necary and a manufacturer. 48:38.912 --> 48:42.594 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you just figured out you make it look like a, you know, killer whale. 48:42.774 --> 48:43.375 [SPEAKER_02]: Something like that. 48:43.395 --> 48:43.895 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I've seen. 48:45.563 --> 48:47.044 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people, I'm trying to think who does it? 48:48.306 --> 48:55.912 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think Dom Windowset, that when he's doing his tap, he'll leave like almost like a bubble on the end until the last minute, you know? 48:56.253 --> 48:58.194 [SPEAKER_01]: To just keep the bubble, keep the bubble tap. 48:58.214 --> 49:01.437 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep the bubble, that's your new brand. 49:01.697 --> 49:02.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Bubble tip, knives. 49:02.518 --> 49:02.718 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 49:03.179 --> 49:04.400 [SPEAKER_02]: Like a problem, too. 49:05.687 --> 49:08.992 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that, I mean, I think it, here's the best part about time. 49:09.012 --> 49:12.457 [SPEAKER_02]: It's great, great concept, except you gave us too much money. 49:12.998 --> 49:18.927 [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta figure out a price, you gotta figure out a price we won't jump at, you know? 49:19.127 --> 49:19.828 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, gotta be late. 49:19.848 --> 49:20.008 [SPEAKER_04]: 25,000. 49:21.510 --> 49:26.317 [SPEAKER_02]: For 25,000, I do the tour for 25,000, but I changed the shit for 25,000. 49:26.417 --> 49:27.118 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 49:27.398 --> 49:27.679 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 49:28.620 --> 49:32.846 [SPEAKER_02]: 25, I mean, we got to go in the six figures for this to be a real conversation. 49:33.246 --> 49:33.426 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 49:33.867 --> 49:34.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you. 49:34.508 --> 49:35.049 [SPEAKER_02]: Six figures. 49:35.069 --> 49:36.971 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to just to get the ball rolling. 49:37.512 --> 49:37.932 [SPEAKER_04]: 100,000 then. 49:39.613 --> 49:50.141 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, to stop doing 100,000 going to three month tour around Europe, talking about talking about the dangers of pointy tip knives and then no longer making pointy tip knives. 49:50.541 --> 49:53.643 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I could make more of any more, I have to really change my shit around. 49:54.584 --> 50:00.088 [SPEAKER_04]: You just make Chinese cleavers, my curries, and tocus, and butter knives. 50:00.348 --> 50:03.971 [SPEAKER_02]: Butter knives, sharp ass spoons, spoons, they just spoons. 50:03.991 --> 50:05.612 [SPEAKER_02]: I need to think any more than 100 jeez. 50:05.892 --> 50:06.853 [SPEAKER_04]: Fish, bachelor's. 50:07.462 --> 50:09.143 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I need more than a hundred G's. 50:09.483 --> 50:12.243 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say, I think I need to go. 50:12.263 --> 50:13.784 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we need to pump the price up. 50:15.404 --> 50:20.086 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, talking 500,000 now of a sudden, you got my peaking mantras. 50:20.426 --> 50:20.886 [SPEAKER_04]: I got you. 50:21.266 --> 50:22.046 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know about it. 50:22.066 --> 50:22.747 [SPEAKER_02]: 1.5 million, no problem. 50:22.767 --> 50:23.127 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do it. 50:23.147 --> 50:23.447 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't do it. 50:23.467 --> 50:24.567 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to keep my feet up on Greg's boat. 50:24.587 --> 50:33.770 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, We're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, We're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, 50:34.130 --> 50:35.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get out of here. 50:35.871 --> 50:37.973 [SPEAKER_01]: How if we had any feedback about Tugby at all? 50:38.273 --> 50:38.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Not yet. 50:38.833 --> 50:41.155 [SPEAKER_02]: We took last week off, they did before in your service. 50:41.835 --> 50:45.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Before a little bit of, we got some frightened messages. 50:46.258 --> 50:47.319 [SPEAKER_02]: Is everything okay? 50:47.819 --> 50:48.800 [SPEAKER_02]: Is everything okay? 50:48.960 --> 50:50.041 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, it's summer, dude. 50:50.521 --> 50:50.962 [SPEAKER_02]: Flex. 50:52.142 --> 50:52.563 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 50:52.723 --> 50:53.063 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good. 50:53.083 --> 50:53.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 50:54.764 --> 50:56.424 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so this is... Well, you found that extra one. 50:56.444 --> 50:58.345 [SPEAKER_01]: I am going to tell everybody all about even heat. 50:58.725 --> 51:00.625 [SPEAKER_01]: Even heat hyphen kelm.com. 51:01.385 --> 51:02.246 [SPEAKER_01]: We all need a good oven. 51:02.266 --> 51:03.566 [SPEAKER_01]: We all need a good kelm. 51:03.586 --> 51:05.026 [SPEAKER_01]: We do it any sort of heat treat at all. 51:05.406 --> 51:07.387 [SPEAKER_01]: Get yourself an even heat. 51:07.687 --> 51:13.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Different models for every kind of space available, 110 to 40, wherever you are in the world. 51:13.508 --> 51:17.469 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a model for you, even heat hyphen kelm.com, you're going to get one. 51:17.689 --> 51:18.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Just get the best. 51:19.725 --> 51:28.209 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, to answer your question, Justin Miller has written, I have cash ready for those World Tugby Championship T-shirts. 51:28.269 --> 51:32.391 [SPEAKER_02]: Imagine if that was what we decided to go back with Merchett, Merchett, Merchett, Merchett, more than anything. 51:32.431 --> 51:38.254 [SPEAKER_02]: We just wanted to do a limited edition run, World Tugby Championship. 51:38.334 --> 51:40.075 [SPEAKER_01]: So how did you make that 1.5 mail? 51:40.095 --> 51:41.056 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it via this told? 51:41.116 --> 51:42.056 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, T-shirts. 51:42.096 --> 51:45.098 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, T-shirts, Tugby shirts, Tugby shirts, Tugby, you told me more. 51:45.278 --> 51:47.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a hottest growing sport in the world. 51:47.399 --> 51:47.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know me? 51:48.059 --> 51:48.259 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 51:50.221 --> 51:57.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, this one is key from key tensing back to the UK pointed knife thing key 10 key. 51:57.509 --> 51:58.150 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's key. 51:58.170 --> 51:58.370 [SPEAKER_02]: It's key. 51:58.390 --> 51:59.151 [SPEAKER_02]: It's key tensing. 52:00.172 --> 52:01.454 [SPEAKER_02]: I think so. 52:01.474 --> 52:03.816 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys, I wanted to comment on the disclet out key. 52:03.876 --> 52:04.517 [SPEAKER_01]: Just let it out. 52:08.542 --> 52:12.146 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to comment on the discussion about Blunted Weapons due to violence in the UK. 52:12.246 --> 52:16.010 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been a law enforcement officer for many years, and a veteran before that. 52:16.090 --> 52:19.994 [SPEAKER_02]: I've learned that if people want to hurt slash harm people, they'll find a way. 52:20.115 --> 52:24.319 [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen some ingenious items use as weapons in the prison systems. 52:25.060 --> 52:31.563 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the thing is is like, you're not gonna, you know, most of the crimes are committed with like custom knives. 52:31.924 --> 52:38.227 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're like using like, yeah, he got fucking done in with a Damascus point in the trash knife, you know? 52:38.947 --> 52:40.648 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how you say it in the UK, right? 52:40.668 --> 52:42.029 [SPEAKER_02]: You got done in, right? 52:42.709 --> 52:43.129 [SPEAKER_02]: Done in. 52:43.189 --> 52:53.995 [SPEAKER_02]: You got done in, you got done in, you got done in, you got done in, you got done in, you got done in, you got done in, you got done in, you got done in, you got done in, you got done in. 52:54.660 --> 52:54.960 [SPEAKER_03]: with that. 52:54.980 --> 52:57.022 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 52:58.303 --> 52:58.784 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 52:59.224 --> 52:59.724 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 52:59.784 --> 53:00.685 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 53:00.785 --> 53:02.707 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't do it. 53:02.727 --> 53:21.463 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're in a sweared situation where the bigger problem is in regards to all these dangerous weapons and stuff that got, the toothpaste is out of the tube and it seems as though politicians are looking for a short-term solution to a very much deeper, long-seated problem. 53:22.283 --> 53:24.005 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he's right. 53:24.045 --> 53:27.750 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously, I mean, I would think that they're a problem. 53:27.790 --> 53:37.040 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, perfect example of the writing of grinders, you know, when we first started in the podcast, you never heard about a battery-powered writing of grinders and anything. 53:37.080 --> 53:43.067 [SPEAKER_02]: But now, writing of grinder crime is through the roof, just because people are realizing that you can do it, and you can come. 53:43.427 --> 53:47.048 [SPEAKER_02]: take, you know, steel stuff with the right battery power riding or grind or stuff. 53:47.668 --> 53:49.909 [SPEAKER_02]: People are going to figure shit out whether you like it or not. 53:50.009 --> 53:51.550 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just, yeah, I don't know. 53:52.170 --> 53:58.592 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is is obviously it's obviously a too complicated solution, but it's like lunting a tips of knives just seems like. 53:59.925 --> 54:16.277 [SPEAKER_02]: a very chaotic and desperate result response yeah you don't have to tell Jeff you don't have to tell you being kicked off on the in checked in clear if you check clear's check clear's uh... all right the check clear number of clouds and a house in the check clear oh my bad 54:17.117 --> 54:28.502 [SPEAKER_02]: Pointed tip knives with a bayonet of our existence guys and I'm here in the UK to tell you you got to go get your eye Got my tournament here got my broad back here and we will for free. 54:28.842 --> 54:32.363 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll grind the tips off your knives because you don't need that tip for cooking. 54:32.403 --> 54:33.323 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you crazy? 54:34.504 --> 54:35.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Jack is clear. 54:36.985 --> 54:37.205 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool. 54:37.225 --> 54:37.945 [SPEAKER_01]: Blimey governor. 54:40.666 --> 54:41.647 [SPEAKER_02]: Why me governor? 54:43.558 --> 54:56.986 [SPEAKER_02]: But as we go, speedster stoves, the tugby championship said, I have, he says, I'm interested to hear what each of your retirement plans are, look like, or indeed, if you have any plans at all. 54:57.126 --> 54:59.688 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, it's just more of the same for Craig. 55:01.308 --> 55:09.871 [SPEAKER_02]: Tugby, it's what would happen if Rugby and the U.S. were allowed to be what it did to speeds your Gary. 55:10.091 --> 55:11.232 [SPEAKER_02]: You did it again. 55:11.612 --> 55:16.734 [SPEAKER_02]: Tugby, it's what would happen if Rugby, it would let me do it one more time. 55:17.234 --> 55:19.054 [SPEAKER_02]: You're crazy. 55:19.455 --> 55:26.437 [SPEAKER_02]: Tugby, it's what would happen to Rugby if the U.S. were allowed to do it to do what it did to football. 55:27.307 --> 55:28.788 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, had your chance to get through that dude. 55:29.328 --> 55:32.170 [SPEAKER_02]: You should have just kept it kept the group. 55:33.771 --> 55:35.652 [SPEAKER_02]: What are your retirement plans for ladies and germs? 55:37.434 --> 55:41.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, cause here's the, here's, let's just, here's the scenario. 55:42.217 --> 55:43.137 [SPEAKER_02]: We've sold out. 55:43.437 --> 55:46.780 [SPEAKER_02]: We've all, we've all sold out all individually. 55:46.800 --> 55:49.762 [SPEAKER_02]: We're all, we're all sold out and we're ready to retire. 55:49.782 --> 55:50.342 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you going to do? 55:51.423 --> 55:51.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 55:52.359 --> 55:59.294 [SPEAKER_01]: mine is solely on once the kids are older and stuff we can sell up downsize that kind of thing. 56:03.088 --> 56:16.990 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that what the world is changing is such a pace that I think having money sitting in a sort of retirement scheme is maybe a bit too much of a risk whereas having money sitting in property is probably where you want it to be. 56:18.631 --> 56:26.072 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm certainly no financial expert, but yeah, other than that, I've got no real plans, you know, no real plans. 56:33.887 --> 56:37.048 [SPEAKER_04]: Some, probably, but I don't know. 56:37.628 --> 56:44.169 [SPEAKER_04]: Like doing the physical labor of knife making, I'll already at 40 has definitely taken a toll on my body. 56:44.930 --> 56:48.690 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know how long I can continue doing it, really. 56:49.071 --> 56:57.533 [SPEAKER_04]: Like I could see myself at least going for another 10, 15 years, but ideally by that point, I have transitioned into a different role. 56:57.613 --> 57:01.594 [SPEAKER_04]: I probably still would like forge and teach. 57:04.045 --> 57:11.110 [SPEAKER_04]: but like the like all the grinding work standing at the grinder for hand of sculpting, blade grinding, billi-grant, whatever you're doing. 57:11.691 --> 57:18.896 [SPEAKER_04]: That stuff destroys my back anywhere where I'm actually moving a lot more though with the forging and everything else, like basically everything else. 57:20.637 --> 57:40.112 [SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty straightforward like making this deal in forging plays especially and maybe maybe I may be a transition to where I'm working with somebody Where I'm doing less of the grinding and more of the the stuff my body can handle better and I honestly enjoy better But I guess that doesn't really sound like much of a fucking retirement So I'll probably just die in the shop. 57:40.173 --> 57:41.093 [SPEAKER_04]: That's what's gonna happen. 57:41.173 --> 57:45.136 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna take one last brush Let's take one last breath in front of the hammer. 57:45.196 --> 57:46.898 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll fall into the hammer and I'm dead 57:48.152 --> 57:50.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, one last breath, full of G10. 57:50.574 --> 57:53.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Full of G10, full of G10, full of G10. 57:53.596 --> 57:56.999 [SPEAKER_02]: You only think the hammer is gonna be, it's gonna be lights out of one strike in the hammer. 57:57.079 --> 58:02.302 [SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna be like, it's gonna be like, it's just gonna be like slowly beating you. 58:02.343 --> 58:04.944 [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna beat you once, and then you're gonna be suffer. 58:04.964 --> 58:05.665 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the worst. 58:06.025 --> 58:09.468 [SPEAKER_02]: Falling in the hammer might be the worst idea unless somebody's got their foot on the pedal. 58:09.968 --> 58:10.268 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 58:10.748 --> 58:11.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus, you match in that. 58:12.048 --> 58:12.689 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Jesus. 58:12.749 --> 58:13.209 [SPEAKER_02]: Forget it. 58:14.009 --> 58:16.269 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been putting away for a timer for years. 58:16.929 --> 58:19.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Some years, it's good, some years, it's not so good. 58:20.950 --> 58:29.332 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, hopefully, you know, we're really excited that Lila's, this is her last year of college because now all of a sudden, now there's a little bit less. 58:29.432 --> 58:36.773 [SPEAKER_02]: We've always been taking money out of our checks and our, you know, to help with the college and we're talking now, we can kind of approach our retirement. 58:37.753 --> 58:59.974 [SPEAKER_02]: I come from a family that like to move and work so like we're all small business owners and my sister now is in her 70s and she's still hauling ass in her house doing lots of reconstruction and and she's got a lot of energy and my dad really kind of when he stopped when he had got cancer 59:00.775 --> 59:04.138 [SPEAKER_02]: and he stopped his daily stuff. 59:04.378 --> 59:06.099 [SPEAKER_02]: He really, really shut him down. 59:06.700 --> 59:13.145 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't see myself ever stopping and just, you know, just retiring, like so to speak. 59:13.765 --> 59:28.877 [SPEAKER_02]: But I would definitely like to spend time doing more things with my wife and, you know, creative things in general as opposed to, like, you know, coming to the shop at five o'clock in the morning, like you did a couple days ago and, you know, 59:30.398 --> 59:37.962 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I can't see myself doing a lot different than what I'm doing, but I think it'll be a little bit more in more what I want to do. 59:39.163 --> 59:39.903 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 59:39.943 --> 59:41.644 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 59:42.465 --> 59:46.587 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've got a bunch of other projects that I don't really have a talk about as well. 59:46.627 --> 59:48.909 [SPEAKER_01]: That is sort of like web-based things as well. 59:49.309 --> 59:51.590 [SPEAKER_01]: I bring in sort of little bits as well. 59:51.630 --> 59:53.991 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and they could grow at any point in all these things. 59:59.167 --> 01:00:27.442 [SPEAKER_01]: I am in fire as I suppose, you know, and I think going forward, I think that's the way as well, just, you know, don't put all those, all those eggs of one basket, you know, from, from a chicken farmer, I've made rock and roll a, and a bunch of other things as well, you know, sailor, seamen, sailor, seamen, yeah, touch me, me sold it seamen, yeah, 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01:02:15.908 --> 01:02:19.629 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is from Hard's, H-A-R-D-Z-Z. 01:02:20.129 --> 01:02:27.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we aren't live-talk podcasts on Instagram, so yeah, get your questions over to us, and Hard's, she's Mick Hard's. 01:02:28.032 --> 01:02:29.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Got your sounds, double art, didn't he? 01:02:29.372 --> 01:02:30.072 [SPEAKER_02]: Mick Hard. 01:02:30.092 --> 01:02:31.913 [SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely in the back quarter of the time. 01:02:31.933 --> 01:02:32.493 [SPEAKER_02]: Which team? 01:02:33.033 --> 01:02:33.333 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:02:33.833 --> 01:02:37.575 [SPEAKER_01]: He, he, he, he, he, he's our, he's our, he's our Australian. 01:02:38.215 --> 01:02:40.676 [SPEAKER_01]: And, good day, knife talk. 01:02:40.756 --> 01:02:42.596 [SPEAKER_01]: I've made a few hidden tang handles, 01:02:46.081 --> 01:02:48.363 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to have a go at the bed in the Tang method next. 01:02:48.643 --> 01:03:02.251 [SPEAKER_01]: My question is, if you wax or a release agent to stop the epoxy sticking, what's the best way to remove any wax residue from inside the handle when everything is cured, is that a preferred method of cleaning? 01:03:02.831 --> 01:03:07.814 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just reckon you want to give a quick rundown of how to bed the tang and what bed the tang is. 01:03:09.257 --> 01:03:09.737 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sure. 01:03:09.797 --> 01:03:18.944 [SPEAKER_04]: So betting the tank is actually a technique I use quite often when I'm doing a hidden tank construction on my integral knives, especially. 01:03:19.844 --> 01:03:30.092 [SPEAKER_04]: And so what I do is I drill a like a two quarter inch holes side by side to create what will become the tank slot for my hidden tank on my knife. 01:03:31.172 --> 01:03:32.394 [SPEAKER_04]: It has a little bit of webbing in there. 01:03:32.434 --> 01:03:50.089 [SPEAKER_04]: So you kind of break that out and you get in there with Oh damn what's that tool broaching tool to clean out that that slot at an area too And then what you can do is hit your put just like put on a thin layer of wax You're not trying you know it doesn't need to be built up or anything but just a little bit of 01:03:50.749 --> 01:04:19.251 [SPEAKER_04]: separation, or to create a releasing agent, I guess, as they're saying here, on the tang of the knife, then you mix up your epoxy, you a deport down into the tank slot, and you clamp it up like a normal glue up, but after probably about 30 minutes or so, especially if it's a quicker setting, if it's a slower setting, epoxy, you'll probably have to wait a couple hours at least, if not more, but you want it to kind of set up a bit, 01:04:20.352 --> 01:04:41.910 [SPEAKER_04]: before you start to heat the blade up now and that heat transfers down in like through along the spine of the knife is usually where I'll torch it or I'll hit it with a torch that heat will transfer down to the bolster then down into the tank and it'll soften the wax that little thin layer of wax that's on the tank and then you can ideally very like slide that tank out 01:04:42.811 --> 01:04:46.375 [SPEAKER_04]: notes on the tang, you want it to have a some sort of taper. 01:04:46.395 --> 01:04:52.682 [SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't have to be super dramatic, but say it's a quarter inch at the thickest part of the tang from side to side. 01:04:53.362 --> 01:04:57.167 [SPEAKER_04]: Say it tapers down even just an overall of like a 16th of an inch. 01:04:57.287 --> 01:04:58.388 [SPEAKER_04]: That is going to make a difference. 01:04:59.689 --> 01:05:21.375 [SPEAKER_04]: If it's a straight tang it's going to be problematic and then you also want at least probably at least a 120 if not a 220 finish on that tang because again if it's two course of a finish say 60 36 or 80 the glue is going to get into those ridges and it's going to kind of act as little fingers or teeth like holding that tang in there. 01:05:21.835 --> 01:05:24.136 [SPEAKER_04]: So the smoother the finish the easier it's going to come out. 01:05:25.193 --> 01:05:41.478 [SPEAKER_04]: But you pull it out, this, and the purpose of doing this is so like especially if you're doing a museum fit up, which is the reason I do it is if I'm doing a museum fit up or I'm doing a through tan construction, but it also allows you to work the handle off of the blade, if that is what you're needing to do for whatever reason. 01:05:42.498 --> 01:05:43.759 [SPEAKER_04]: Some people are more comfortable with that. 01:05:44.319 --> 01:05:46.219 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes there's special things you're trying to do. 01:05:46.380 --> 01:05:54.342 [SPEAKER_04]: But anyways, it gives you the freedom to work to take that handle off and put it back on that it keys back in really nicely, but eventually at a certain point. 01:05:54.967 --> 01:05:56.389 [SPEAKER_04]: you're ready to glue that up. 01:05:56.509 --> 01:06:03.278 [SPEAKER_04]: So what he's asking is like there is going to be some wax residue in there. 01:06:04.200 --> 01:06:06.182 [SPEAKER_04]: There are a couple of approaches to this actually. 01:06:06.703 --> 01:06:11.069 [SPEAKER_04]: One of them is to actually not feel the slot all the way with glue. 01:06:12.450 --> 01:06:14.471 [SPEAKER_04]: I've heard of people using J.B. Weld. 01:06:14.931 --> 01:06:23.515 [SPEAKER_04]: I think my friend Peter Swordsberg actually uses J.B. Weld, and essentially he stuffs it in just around like the top say half inch of that slot. 01:06:23.955 --> 01:06:36.860 [SPEAKER_04]: That way you have a collar of hardened material, or like a, I guess, set material, that helps to keep the tang locked in in a very specific way, but everything else below that is empty. 01:06:36.900 --> 01:06:38.381 [SPEAKER_04]: You have an empty cavity down there. 01:06:40.022 --> 01:06:55.520 [SPEAKER_04]: Something I've done in the past is I'll get a drill bit that will is small enough to slide past at least the first half inch or three quarters of an inch because most of my tanks are at least three and a half inches long going into the handle and so 01:06:56.381 --> 01:06:59.645 [SPEAKER_04]: The last couple inches essentially had last two and a half inches. 01:06:59.805 --> 01:07:10.238 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll go in with a drill bit that is small enough slide pass that first inch or three quarters to an inch of the blade or of the tang yeah or the tang slot from the top. 01:07:10.379 --> 01:07:14.824 [SPEAKER_04]: But then it starts to kind of hit the walls because my tang again has a taper right. 01:07:15.605 --> 01:07:27.550 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll actually drill that bit of epoxy right back out and that is going to open up more space for more epoxy because if you think about it, there is basically no room for any epoxy if you just put it right back in there. 01:07:28.510 --> 01:07:30.731 [SPEAKER_04]: So it creates some space for epoxy. 01:07:30.951 --> 01:07:35.013 [SPEAKER_04]: It helps clean out the wax and gives you something for it to bite too. 01:07:35.633 --> 01:07:42.916 [SPEAKER_04]: One tip you do want to, one thing you do want to think about, and it took me a while to hear this out unfortunately, longer than it should. 01:07:44.117 --> 01:07:54.381 [SPEAKER_04]: But if you don't do anything and you try to do the glue up, you're going to create a hydraulic pressure system in there, where basically you have this fluid in the epoxy. 01:07:54.841 --> 01:08:00.383 [SPEAKER_04]: If you try to just jam it right back in there, you're going to get to a certain point where it's not going to go any farther, 01:08:04.305 --> 01:08:13.421 [SPEAKER_04]: from getting it closed up, and so the way to overcome that is by taking, I use a modified sauce all-blin. 01:08:14.703 --> 01:08:21.690 [SPEAKER_04]: I grind it down to about an eighth of an inch tall rather than, like, usually they're about five, eights or half an inch tall. 01:08:21.710 --> 01:08:26.254 [SPEAKER_04]: And this way, I can use that sauce all blade to cut channels on the side. 01:08:26.655 --> 01:08:29.557 [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not ripping all of it all of the side off. 01:08:29.598 --> 01:08:33.241 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm literally just cutting one channel on the side of the tank slot. 01:08:34.222 --> 01:08:36.524 [SPEAKER_04]: And then another channel on the other side of the tank slot. 01:08:36.544 --> 01:08:39.187 [SPEAKER_04]: And that allows somewhere for that epoxy to flow. 01:08:39.867 --> 01:08:51.412 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're doing a thru-tain construction, you don't have to worry about that at all because the glue is going to run out the backside of the handle, but you do need to create some way for that epoxy to flow back out, or you're going to have a hell of a time. 01:08:51.452 --> 01:08:58.395 [SPEAKER_04]: I've actually had handles like I forced it on using a clamp and getting it on there and I'm like, hell yeah, I did it. 01:08:59.055 --> 01:09:10.121 [SPEAKER_04]: and then coming back 10 minutes later and finding that I especially I'm like a burl, I've cracked the burl and the handle is like cracked in half because that hydraulic pressure is so intense. 01:09:10.702 --> 01:09:16.425 [SPEAKER_04]: So you got to figure out a way to allow that tank slot to essentially relieve that hydraulic pressure. 01:09:17.484 --> 01:09:23.550 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, those are, I guess, the few ways that I haven't done the way that I was referring to with Peter Swordsburg. 01:09:23.610 --> 01:09:24.611 [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a very smart way. 01:09:25.152 --> 01:09:27.694 [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't done it myself personally, but it definitely works. 01:09:27.715 --> 01:09:28.535 [SPEAKER_04]: He does it all the time. 01:09:29.256 --> 01:09:31.899 [SPEAKER_04]: Um, what I've done more is just to fill the whole slot. 01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:36.844 [SPEAKER_04]: Take the handle back out and then re-drill the hole to clear it out. 01:09:37.044 --> 01:09:38.385 [SPEAKER_04]: I've even put, um, 01:09:39.927 --> 01:09:40.267 [SPEAKER_04]: What is it? 01:09:40.367 --> 01:09:45.973 [SPEAKER_04]: I've used a tap for threading holes in steel and stuff like that. 01:09:46.434 --> 01:09:57.085 [SPEAKER_04]: And that also creates like ridges and stuff like that inside the tank slot so that you can give that epoxy something to grab onto and pipe into. 01:09:57.465 --> 01:09:59.167 [SPEAKER_04]: You also want to make sure that you're cutting little 01:09:59.989 --> 01:10:02.354 [SPEAKER_04]: slots or little divots into the tank. 01:10:02.374 --> 01:10:10.288 [SPEAKER_04]: I think crazy, but just like to give the tank also something to bite into or somewhere for the epoxy to hold onto in a way. 01:10:10.648 --> 01:10:12.231 [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing is you don't need a ton of wax. 01:10:12.908 --> 01:10:13.648 [SPEAKER_04]: You don't know. 01:10:13.668 --> 01:10:14.069 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:10:14.149 --> 01:10:17.751 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the most important part is you don't have to rather it on. 01:10:18.751 --> 01:10:25.035 [SPEAKER_02]: You do a little bit and then what I do is I'll put a little bit on and then use a heat gun and just kind of take off the excess. 01:10:25.135 --> 01:10:31.579 [SPEAKER_02]: And then when it comes off, usually what I'll do is I'll when I'm ready to do it, bring it, put it back together. 01:10:31.599 --> 01:10:41.725 [SPEAKER_02]: I will, you know, like you said, take a 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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an old custom blade show. 01:12:15.422 --> 01:12:25.249 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to miss business cowtown custom knife show dot com the details It's the only old custom knife show in all the taxes I guess this would be a good time. 01:12:25.269 --> 01:12:29.332 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll dress that issue that we that mereka brought up in the beginning of the show. 01:12:29.352 --> 01:12:30.393 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, let's hear it 01:12:30.833 --> 01:12:31.053 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:12:31.574 --> 01:12:46.475 [SPEAKER_02]: So what you're addressing, what you're asking is there was this kind of hot take reel that I was in, that was from the, and you know, there were other collab raiders been come on and bulky blades in the high carbon podcast. 01:12:47.055 --> 01:12:50.077 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was all my stuff all my images that I agree. 01:12:50.137 --> 01:12:50.978 [SPEAKER_02]: I said no problem. 01:12:51.198 --> 01:12:54.300 [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever you want I went on the high carbon podcast. 01:12:54.921 --> 01:12:55.641 [SPEAKER_02]: I love those guys. 01:12:55.681 --> 01:13:03.547 [SPEAKER_02]: Keith is my guy Baltic blades I mean Baltic blades is kind of like He's kind of you know what? 01:13:03.867 --> 01:13:08.450 [SPEAKER_02]: I usually I said I said I wasn't going on any podcast anymore And then I agreed to do it because he was very nice. 01:13:08.491 --> 01:13:08.911 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that I 01:13:09.471 --> 01:13:13.793 [SPEAKER_02]: He tore me up on some other, you know, behind a paywall episode. 01:13:13.813 --> 01:13:19.275 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a message from a very well-known knife maker that I'm what's going on with you guys and I didn't think there was a problem and I don't think there's a problem. 01:13:20.176 --> 01:13:35.142 [SPEAKER_02]: I went on because I said I would And we had a really good time Ben comes on, he's the best, Ben is, he Ben is like I and They had it, they did a very good job in regards to moving and allowing that a game that I mentioned last week called this or that 01:13:35.742 --> 01:13:37.103 [SPEAKER_02]: And you get an answer fast. 01:13:37.644 --> 01:13:44.069 [SPEAKER_02]: So you they'll say vanilla or chocolate, and you have to answer vanilla or what's your favorite. 01:13:44.109 --> 01:13:46.451 [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's a long, laundry list of things. 01:13:46.671 --> 01:13:54.117 [SPEAKER_02]: And then at the end, after you've quick fire an answer, they go back and ask you why you said what you said. 01:13:55.018 --> 01:14:03.806 [SPEAKER_02]: And so one of the questions was food release, overrated, or compound grind, or something like that, is it overrated or underrated? 01:14:03.926 --> 01:14:04.947 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, overrated. 01:14:04.967 --> 01:14:13.615 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was, you know, look, I was being, you know, I was being, look, you're going to podcast, you got to say something, you know, slightly interesting. 01:14:14.095 --> 01:14:15.857 [SPEAKER_02]: And I said capital O overrated. 01:14:16.630 --> 01:14:32.055 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, went through it all, and then we went back, and then what was interesting about it is Albert, who's a really, really talented knife maker, he's on there too, and Ben was on there, and they gave me the reasons why they aren't overrated. 01:14:32.595 --> 01:14:37.517 [SPEAKER_02]: And we had a really long conversation, and I said some sound by the things that were, you know, funsie, whatever. 01:14:38.337 --> 01:15:00.062 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the conversation I said you know what I take it back what I said I think what you guys are saying they were basically saying that a lot of the Food release things are really good for the weight and if you're you know Albert was saying that when you're taking off the weight in the knife You're getting different you're getting the knife is getting a a different aspect of the cutting process and the handling everything and everything 01:15:06.744 --> 01:15:27.554 [SPEAKER_02]: capital overrated to just overrated and then underrated and then I was just like I'm a great I'm an agreement I'm not one of these guys who is I'm dying by everything I say, you know, and it was a really good conversation and I think at the end of it I thought it was really good and it wasn't just me being a deck, you know, it was like it was me listening to what they had to say and a dream in this smart guys 01:15:28.074 --> 01:15:28.254 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:15:29.035 --> 01:15:29.235 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:15:29.355 --> 01:15:39.640 [SPEAKER_02]: So what Baltic blades did was he's creating these reels where he's taking something that somebody says, taking a small part of it for engagement. 01:15:40.861 --> 01:15:48.265 [SPEAKER_02]: So he took the part that I said that sounded great, but it's definitely a hot take situation. 01:15:49.005 --> 01:15:56.812 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, without the context of the whole conversation, he just, you know, he put it up and then, you know, I was like, what the fuck? 01:15:56.832 --> 01:15:57.333 [SPEAKER_02]: What do I care? 01:15:57.373 --> 01:15:57.633 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not. 01:15:57.733 --> 01:16:01.176 [SPEAKER_02]: I said I was so busy doing a million different things that I'll accept as a collaborator. 01:16:01.196 --> 01:16:01.537 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fun. 01:16:02.257 --> 01:16:09.964 [SPEAKER_02]: So there was a lot of angry people, obviously, and a lot of it is because I don't think if you listen to the whole conversation, 01:16:10.765 --> 01:16:24.734 [SPEAKER_02]: You'd see a really meeting of the minds in this situation and I think that you would see that it was like me saying, you know what you make a lot of really good points and I grew with you as opposed to me just being like you're, you know, they hit the heating seat, it's the heated steering wheel of knives. 01:16:26.535 --> 01:16:34.780 [SPEAKER_02]: So he did the same thing with Ryan Ryan from the hustling grind podcast now and now all of a sudden Baltic blades thinks he's. 01:16:35.160 --> 01:16:47.736 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, thinks he's Joe Rogan Jr., so he's doing all these, he's doing all these reels, he's doing all these reels where he thinks he's like incredibly diabolical and he's creating a huge hub up, you're not creating a huge hub up, Baltic with. 01:16:47.976 --> 01:16:53.964 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, people are interacting and you're going to go back to relative obscurity. 01:16:54.144 --> 01:17:04.429 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't want else to say it, you know, I'm with Baltic, but I mean, you know, do I think that he, do I think that he, you know, kind of screwed me a little bit? 01:17:04.449 --> 01:17:05.290 [SPEAKER_04]: You do your dirty. 01:17:05.590 --> 01:17:06.510 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you know what? 01:17:06.530 --> 01:17:08.712 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be, I think it would be fun to say that. 01:17:08.732 --> 01:17:09.412 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you did. 01:17:09.592 --> 01:17:10.192 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you did. 01:17:10.212 --> 01:17:11.113 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you can keep that. 01:17:11.133 --> 01:17:14.454 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I said what I said, and I totally acknowledge what I said. 01:17:15.315 --> 01:17:20.438 [SPEAKER_02]: And the clip that they pull definitely sounded douchey, which is fine. 01:17:20.558 --> 01:17:21.358 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I said it. 01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:32.049 [SPEAKER_02]: but at the same time it was like, you know, they're, they're also, they were also using, you were they were using, using what I said for, you know, clickbait. 01:17:32.789 --> 01:17:33.570 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, exactly. 01:17:33.610 --> 01:17:39.657 [SPEAKER_02]: You just look at, you just look at the, you know, their numbers on other reels, the ones that are the clickiest clickbait. 01:17:41.538 --> 01:17:43.479 [SPEAKER_02]: are the the the most engagement. 01:17:43.499 --> 01:17:43.819 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah. 01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:44.939 [SPEAKER_02]: But now I did that. 01:17:45.500 --> 01:18:01.025 [SPEAKER_02]: He did that video or he's like you know there's this trend now which is so just like so cringey where they're sitting down and it's the Netflix music and they're adjusting the microphone and it says about to go on to Netflix to talk about why and the most diabolical knife making podcast. 01:18:01.716 --> 01:18:03.597 [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, so wack. 01:18:04.058 --> 01:18:09.501 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's in another post he's begging people for followers, just like, bro, Baltimore, it's coming on it. 01:18:10.442 --> 01:18:12.083 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't be begging people for followers. 01:18:12.143 --> 01:18:14.024 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, oh, this is a challenge. 01:18:14.045 --> 01:18:14.825 [SPEAKER_02]: Revealing a challenge. 01:18:14.865 --> 01:18:17.307 [SPEAKER_02]: Me and Sky challenge, see if we can get 5,000 followers. 01:18:17.487 --> 01:18:18.908 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, dude, good job. 01:18:20.049 --> 01:18:24.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, it was a good podcast and we had a great time. 01:18:24.495 --> 01:18:27.659 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought we had a great time and I felt really good about it. 01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:33.626 [SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't think that, you know, and then, you know, Keith's my guy and Baltic's my guy, I all jokes aside. 01:18:34.107 --> 01:18:35.288 [SPEAKER_02]: He's my guy, even though that. 01:18:36.069 --> 01:18:37.190 [SPEAKER_02]: Baltic's a little wormy. 01:18:37.450 --> 01:18:41.091 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say that. 01:18:41.111 --> 01:18:51.056 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a slight worm because he, you know, I got a message saying, why these guys, why is this guy talking all sorts of shit behind a paywall about you? 01:18:51.676 --> 01:18:54.918 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they asked him about it and he's just like, I don't worry about that. 01:18:54.998 --> 01:18:59.200 [SPEAKER_02]: And he just was like very nervously trying to get past it all and I was just like, I love it. 01:18:59.500 --> 01:19:00.581 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not the biggest deal in the world. 01:19:00.621 --> 01:19:01.021 [SPEAKER_02]: We're fine. 01:19:01.601 --> 01:19:03.542 [SPEAKER_02]: But it was just like kind of worm time. 01:19:05.857 --> 01:19:16.784 [SPEAKER_04]: I do, uh, I thought you'll hot-take though about, um, the esgrinder compound grind being, uh, the heating steering wheel of the, of the knife world. 01:19:17.124 --> 01:19:24.169 [SPEAKER_04]: I would be curious what, what are some things that you guys think, uh, what are actually the heated steering wheel of the knife world? 01:19:24.189 --> 01:19:25.630 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you put it in context that, uh, 01:19:26.210 --> 01:19:30.475 [SPEAKER_04]: like the heating steering wheel doesn't affect the performance. 01:19:30.515 --> 01:19:32.257 [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a nice to have, right? 01:19:32.517 --> 01:19:33.798 [SPEAKER_04]: But not necessary. 01:19:33.998 --> 01:19:38.403 [SPEAKER_04]: And I actually, I would start that off with a hand-sanded finish on a knife. 01:19:38.763 --> 01:19:42.307 [SPEAKER_04]: It's a nice to have, but does it affect the performance of the knife? 01:19:42.708 --> 01:19:42.868 [SPEAKER_04]: No. 01:19:43.687 --> 01:19:49.729 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will say it's interesting to bring that particularly up because that's for me That's for my knives. 01:19:49.749 --> 01:20:02.153 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an aesthetic thing and I've done a belt finish Actually, I had a guy who had some of my old knives send my knives to An old knives and I couldn't even recognize these knives. 01:20:02.193 --> 01:20:05.794 [SPEAKER_02]: He sent it to a guy in the guy They were when I sent them to this guy. 01:20:05.814 --> 01:20:13.017 [SPEAKER_02]: They were for sure a belt finish and he oh No, there were satin finish and he brought it to a grinder the grinder put a belt finish on them 01:20:14.197 --> 01:20:18.600 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't tell if they were well-done or not, but I was just like, it doesn't look better. 01:20:19.160 --> 01:20:32.288 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't, I wish, I almost wish he'd send him to me and I would have thinned the knife down and then even his old knife, I would have thinned the knife down, I would have put the satin finish back on because I think that my knives look better. 01:20:32.588 --> 01:20:34.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that the heated steering wheel, that's a design decision. 01:20:35.490 --> 01:20:41.239 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Tomer's knives look awesome with the belt finish because the stacked handles are going the same direction as the belt finished. 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:45.605 [SPEAKER_02]: My knives just lose a little bit with the belt finish. 01:20:46.547 --> 01:20:47.949 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. 01:20:47.969 --> 01:20:49.251 [SPEAKER_04]: I guess that makes sense. 01:20:49.351 --> 01:20:50.453 [SPEAKER_04]: It is, but like, 01:20:51.883 --> 01:20:54.584 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess the point is like it's it's an aesthetic choice right. 01:20:54.624 --> 01:20:56.245 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I do a handstander finish as well. 01:20:56.365 --> 01:21:13.952 [SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm etching a knife, which actually kind of defeats the purpose like almost kind of defeats the purpose because it's as long as you do a high enough finish, uh, you can do a nice belt finish and, and then etch a blade and you can't tell what fucking direction the blade was handstand it if it was handstand it all. 01:21:14.732 --> 01:21:21.214 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, but I still do it and it's just I think I would love to get away from it, but I think right now I'm still not ready to do that. 01:21:21.514 --> 01:21:30.037 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have the right system in place, but yeah, I mean my steak knives have a bell finish Just because I can't come up with the price on the price that we're selling. 01:21:30.197 --> 01:21:30.377 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 01:21:30.397 --> 01:21:32.837 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't I cannot do a hands-on finish. 01:21:33.037 --> 01:21:34.298 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just possibility 01:21:34.998 --> 01:21:49.557 [SPEAKER_02]: But I just think it's I think that with the idea was coming across as in like, you know, food release is a big luxury, you know, whether or not and because it's not all food. 01:21:50.058 --> 01:22:05.936 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I think that one of the conversations we're having, and once again, all jokes aside, the guys from high carbon are great guys, I have, I'm being joky right now, so Keith and Keith and Pauli, I'm 100% with you, don't worry about that. 01:22:06.756 --> 01:22:15.005 [SPEAKER_02]: I, there was one conversation that I think we were talking about on the podcast, it's definitely worth listening to. 01:22:15.706 --> 01:22:22.073 [SPEAKER_02]: The Albert said, you know, when a chef is cooking and standing for with a knife all day long, he's going to want that. 01:22:22.874 --> 01:22:26.197 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm paraphrasing, but he's going to want that food release, and then what I said to him was like, 01:22:27.213 --> 01:22:33.196 [SPEAKER_02]: for $700, $900 for a knife, you can just buy two robocoupes into the same thing. 01:22:33.777 --> 01:22:35.617 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, no, it's true. 01:22:35.978 --> 01:22:42.221 [SPEAKER_02]: A professional kitchen is not gonna be like, we're gonna give you this $800 knife and you're gonna stand in front of these potatoes all day. 01:22:42.301 --> 01:22:45.623 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a knife, that to me is like a knife makers. 01:22:46.623 --> 01:22:50.686 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, dream, you know, that's the thing that they say. 01:22:51.086 --> 01:22:58.550 [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes I think that there are knife makers, especially ones who don't cook, who create these boobomisters. 01:22:58.770 --> 01:23:03.492 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a boobomisters, is Yiddish for these kind of tall-tail myths. 01:23:04.133 --> 01:23:08.935 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like this in order to make the sales, you know, I'm sure. 01:23:09.236 --> 01:23:13.198 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, that's really what I was getting to, but the way I said it was a little bit more frisky. 01:23:13.898 --> 01:23:22.886 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, well, and I've said it before, I think food release is the wrong metric by which you should be measuring the performance of a knife. 01:23:22.966 --> 01:23:28.030 [SPEAKER_04]: It is, it's never, it's never, no knife has perfect food release anywhere. 01:23:28.851 --> 01:23:33.995 [SPEAKER_04]: It should be more about the cutting, the actual cutting performance and how it interacts with the food. 01:23:42.388 --> 01:23:44.303 [SPEAKER_04]: So I guess the last 10 years almost. 01:23:44.997 --> 01:23:51.979 [SPEAKER_04]: is been to try to figure out a way to reduce the cut friction that you experience when you're cutting through the food, no matter what it is. 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:55.341 [SPEAKER_04]: But food release is a lot of benefit. 01:23:55.361 --> 01:23:57.481 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 01:23:58.022 --> 01:23:59.342 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the food release is a bonus. 01:23:59.422 --> 01:24:08.725 [SPEAKER_04]: But it's also like a hype term that honestly, like it started in kitchen knife forums and then kitchen knife makers started targeting for that and they were using that. 01:24:08.765 --> 01:24:12.587 [SPEAKER_04]: But then I got over it because I was like, that's not fucking what this shit's about. 01:24:14.035 --> 01:24:14.215 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:24:15.055 --> 01:24:19.037 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there anybody out there making a butter knife with an ass grind? 01:24:19.097 --> 01:24:20.997 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that would do the complete opposite of what you want. 01:24:21.017 --> 01:24:22.298 [SPEAKER_01]: You want a scoop of the butter. 01:24:22.318 --> 01:24:22.758 [SPEAKER_01]: You want it. 01:24:22.978 --> 01:24:24.439 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to just slide off. 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:25.659 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want to say anybody could do it. 01:24:25.679 --> 01:24:26.940 [SPEAKER_02]: You're a sell-out job right here. 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.540 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the... Yeah. 01:24:30.241 --> 01:24:31.701 [SPEAKER_02]: Tug-be-coaster food to release on a butter knife. 01:24:31.721 --> 01:24:32.802 [SPEAKER_02]: Tug-be-coaster's butter knife. 01:24:33.322 --> 01:24:33.522 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 01:24:34.082 --> 01:24:45.820 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think that I think that I do I try to be very flipping about it all frankly and obviously when you go on a podcast, you don't want to be boring, right? 01:24:46.341 --> 01:24:49.265 [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing worse than listening to podcasts where they would they say. 01:24:49.786 --> 01:24:50.026 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 01:24:50.766 --> 01:24:52.267 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's it. 01:24:52.767 --> 01:24:58.930 [SPEAKER_02]: I've been on those podcasts with like life makers and they're just like, I had somebody nod on the podcast. 01:24:59.070 --> 01:25:02.752 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, it's like, yeah, it's just like, yeah, that should don't fall. 01:25:02.772 --> 01:25:04.432 [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta say, yeah, they say some or don't. 01:25:05.053 --> 01:25:06.113 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:25:06.153 --> 01:25:09.855 [SPEAKER_02]: But I would say that it is funny that a lot of knife makers. 01:25:10.580 --> 01:25:19.826 [SPEAKER_02]: who don't cook, create these must-have features to a knife that are relatively meaningless in the real world. 01:25:21.687 --> 01:25:36.277 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, especially in production kitchens, but I mean, at home, like most of us are creating a luxury item, especially if it's above $400, it's essentially a luxury item, that nobody really, like there are plenty of knives that will cut. 01:25:37.982 --> 01:25:45.905 [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's about enhancing kind of the user experience on kind of like the individual level and not necessarily professional. 01:25:46.385 --> 01:25:50.707 [SPEAKER_04]: I will say like, and I know I've said this in the past, but I'm gonna say it again. 01:25:50.727 --> 01:25:52.888 [SPEAKER_04]: A compound grinder and an S grind. 01:25:53.448 --> 01:25:58.631 [SPEAKER_04]: is not going to save a knife that is already originally or initially poorly ground. 01:25:59.112 --> 01:26:03.454 [SPEAKER_04]: If it's thick at the edge and like there's all kinds of contributing factors. 01:26:03.934 --> 01:26:08.597 [SPEAKER_04]: But if it doesn't cut well in the first place and esgrind isn't really going to save it. 01:26:08.657 --> 01:26:11.799 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think esgrind's got in a bad rap from people. 01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:18.003 [SPEAKER_04]: They're saying, oh it's bullshit or either it's either because they had like they couldn't get it to work or they can't do it. 01:26:18.483 --> 01:26:24.347 [SPEAKER_04]: But the reality is, like, if it wasn't working for you, it's probably because your grind wasn't very good in the first place. 01:26:24.827 --> 01:26:27.629 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry to say, because it's not going to save your grind. 01:26:27.850 --> 01:26:29.311 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to save the performance of that. 01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:56.196 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like growing a fucking terrible on an ice set or something like that, you know, and you know, there's, it's, and you can also say that, you know, there's nothing wrong with buying a luxury car, you know, it's not like you don't, you know, it's not like a school bus, you know, Ferrari isn't for taking your kids a school, that's fine, you know, that's, that's one of the whole things I just do want to say one thing, this is not me talking, this is not me beating the brakes off those guys. 01:26:56.336 --> 01:26:57.056 [SPEAKER_02]: I love those guys. 01:26:58.577 --> 01:26:59.378 [SPEAKER_02]: I love those guys. 01:27:00.179 --> 01:27:02.161 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm the high carb and I'm not looking for trouble. 01:27:02.241 --> 01:27:03.742 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not looking for a radio war. 01:27:03.902 --> 01:27:05.564 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not looking for any of it with any of these guys. 01:27:05.724 --> 01:27:07.365 [SPEAKER_02]: I am it's fine. 01:27:07.685 --> 01:27:12.970 [SPEAKER_02]: It's as as told as as brought a Baltic blade says it's fine. 01:27:13.090 --> 01:27:13.471 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry. 01:27:13.751 --> 01:27:14.211 [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine. 01:27:14.571 --> 01:27:15.412 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's fine. 01:27:16.433 --> 01:27:16.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, good. 01:27:16.793 --> 01:27:21.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on, let's move on along one here from much made knives. 01:27:21.277 --> 01:27:26.721 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we are knife-talk podcasts on Instagram, get your questions to us, try and keep them as short as possible. 01:27:26.761 --> 01:27:27.842 [SPEAKER_01]: This is how you made knives. 01:27:28.462 --> 01:27:32.766 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys, I have a question for you regarding the heat treating stainless steel. 01:27:32.886 --> 01:27:37.970 [SPEAKER_01]: Typically, I heat treat full thickness, but I'm considering preguiding some blades before plate quenching. 01:27:38.590 --> 01:27:43.253 [SPEAKER_01]: is that any detriment to rough grind in my blades say 50% of the final dimensions. 01:27:43.954 --> 01:27:51.058 [SPEAKER_01]: My concern is that the bevels would not be in contact with the plate and therefore not cool as fast, fast enough rate to reach full hardness. 01:27:51.838 --> 01:27:53.940 [SPEAKER_01]: It will be in a thinner cross section, however. 01:27:54.660 --> 01:27:57.642 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we will be cool even faster than a full thickens blade. 01:27:58.669 --> 01:28:00.611 [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps, compressed air will help. 01:28:00.851 --> 01:28:06.297 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't seem to find any references anywhere to whether or not this will affect the ability of the steel to reach full hardness. 01:28:06.637 --> 01:28:11.822 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope in that you could direct me towards any literature or threads where this might be covered. 01:28:12.062 --> 01:28:13.284 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks in advance for your time. 01:28:13.384 --> 01:28:15.266 [SPEAKER_01]: And all that you do for the NAF community. 01:28:15.466 --> 01:28:16.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Cheers, Hatch. 01:28:18.088 --> 01:28:18.469 [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me. 01:28:19.320 --> 01:28:20.621 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a couple of things there, isn't it? 01:28:20.741 --> 01:28:29.449 [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's the hardness issue, but there's also the war pin issue, I think is, it would be my sort of primary concern there. 01:28:29.869 --> 01:28:34.694 [SPEAKER_01]: I think hardness, especially if using compressed air as well, I think you're probably going to be OK. 01:28:36.825 --> 01:28:41.029 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, unless you're doing the, you know, super, super thick blades and you've got a hell of an angle already ground in. 01:28:41.770 --> 01:28:45.493 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I think the biggest issues in the get is not going to quench it exactly. 01:28:45.553 --> 01:28:48.096 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to say exactly exactly at the same time. 01:28:48.436 --> 01:28:50.098 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're likely to get some warp in. 01:28:50.838 --> 01:28:59.527 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, any same seal that I do is always full thickness because the, the few that I've done where I've tried to grind things in, it's never really gone well for me. 01:29:00.767 --> 01:29:04.909 [SPEAKER_01]: It may be down to my technique or something, but I've never really got it, so it's not coming out like a banana. 01:29:06.089 --> 01:29:07.069 [SPEAKER_01]: But what do you guys think? 01:29:09.270 --> 01:29:16.652 [SPEAKER_04]: I think if you're going to be doing stainless and you're going to play quench, I think you got to keep it full thickness. 01:29:18.765 --> 01:29:23.146 [SPEAKER_04]: because that contact with the plate is what is pulling the heat out. 01:29:24.506 --> 01:29:36.289 [SPEAKER_04]: I think if it is tapered and what is essentially the cutting edge isn't engaged with the plate, sorry, the plate. 01:29:36.449 --> 01:29:38.349 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's going to retain heat. 01:29:38.469 --> 01:29:40.149 [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to cool down slower. 01:29:40.189 --> 01:29:40.910 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not really 01:29:47.900 --> 01:29:59.333 [SPEAKER_04]: It is going to require you to do more grinding on the back end after it's hardened, but it's you're going to get a more effective heat treat response and a better performing blade. 01:30:00.714 --> 01:30:03.798 [SPEAKER_04]: If you're heat treating a full thickness, that's my take. 01:30:04.597 --> 01:30:18.260 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's one of those things where I know what he's saying because like if you're heat treating an eighth inch piece of steel or three sixteenths, that's a lot of grinding a hardened steel. 01:30:19.140 --> 01:30:30.342 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, however, you answer the question, you answer your own answer, it's that if you're trying to remove, you're trying to convert the austin to martin site and you need full contact 01:30:34.603 --> 01:30:41.652 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the specific rate at which that steal wants to convert from Martin's from Austin and Martin's side. 01:30:41.672 --> 01:30:43.434 [SPEAKER_02]: And you want that complete contact. 01:30:43.454 --> 01:30:47.659 [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing is if you put on a digital taper, you're going to turn into a banana. 01:30:47.919 --> 01:30:50.442 [SPEAKER_02]: If you treat it with a digital taper, you're going to have a banana. 01:30:51.964 --> 01:30:58.991 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the other thing that Craig was saying 100% if you grind it wrong, or even it's a little bit off, you're going to turn it up banana too. 01:30:59.411 --> 01:31:00.132 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:31:00.472 --> 01:31:06.338 [SPEAKER_02]: I have definitely taken some material off of some thick knives before heat your plate quenching. 01:31:07.659 --> 01:31:16.904 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't notice a big difference, but I would prefer to do full thickness, and the research is your own research. 01:31:16.924 --> 01:31:31.091 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you can take coupons or pieces of the steel, do it with different things, break them, look at the structure, put them into a rock wall tester, there are ways in which you can kind of make your own decisions in regards to that. 01:31:32.812 --> 01:31:44.802 [SPEAKER_02]: If there were information, I'd probably think that Dr. Lantern Thomas would have some kind of article or something about that, but it being why try to reinvent the wheel. 01:31:44.842 --> 01:31:50.187 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that's also part of the reason why I use thinner steel. 01:31:50.627 --> 01:31:54.871 [SPEAKER_02]: The thickest steel I use for our knives is 3.30 seconds, which is underneath the niche. 01:31:55.311 --> 01:31:58.934 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I use a lot of 16th because I know that I'm not going to be grinding so much. 01:31:59.856 --> 01:32:01.161 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think full effect. 01:32:01.221 --> 01:32:01.843 [SPEAKER_02]: I thank you for it. 01:32:02.887 --> 01:32:03.108 [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead. 01:32:03.680 --> 01:32:04.981 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you just hit the nail on the head. 01:32:05.001 --> 01:32:08.403 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're doing coloring, I say chef knives, for example. 01:32:09.503 --> 01:32:13.806 [SPEAKER_01]: And you buy in stock, which you're going down. 01:32:14.226 --> 01:32:18.849 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take in that, ideally, not take anything off the spine anyway. 01:32:19.149 --> 01:32:21.510 [SPEAKER_01]: You want to try and get the thickness of what your spine will be. 01:32:22.711 --> 01:32:27.854 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, millimeter-wise, I'm doing two point three mail to three mail. 01:32:27.934 --> 01:32:29.955 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's very thin stuff anyway. 01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:42.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's more troubled than it's worth grinding off before you heat-trade. 01:32:43.810 --> 01:32:48.777 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, if you're getting decent stuff, I mean, I've got to talk about Dom Cilin just a second, I'm sure. 01:32:49.537 --> 01:32:55.183 [SPEAKER_01]: But if you get in decent stuff, try and get the thickness, that will be your spine thickness, you know, you don't want to grind down the whole thing. 01:32:55.203 --> 01:32:56.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:32:56.924 --> 01:33:02.129 [SPEAKER_02]: And there are some, there are some stamelesses that you can, I know that 440C and other stamelesses you can oil quench. 01:33:02.870 --> 01:33:05.352 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you are oil quenching some stainless steel, 01:33:06.073 --> 01:33:11.835 [SPEAKER_02]: Then you can distill tape or the whole nine yards, you know, you can grind it as long as you, you know, get it right. 01:33:12.935 --> 01:33:30.959 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that some people oil quench A, E, B, L. I know that some people oil quench a 4, 40 C. And obviously, you're not going to use a foil packet because you'll probably turn into like a, who the hell knows if you, what happened if you put fucking quench a knife and a foil packet and oil, you turn into like a jiffy pop bag. 01:33:31.820 --> 01:33:32.660 [SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to work. 01:33:33.861 --> 01:33:41.086 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you won't be, I mean, there's a whole, it's, it's, it's, it's something, it would be like a live it or something like that's some sort of water balloonish kind of thing. 01:33:41.727 --> 01:33:46.030 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, you know, there's only, the only thing you can do is just try it out, see what happens. 01:33:46.551 --> 01:33:46.711 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 01:33:47.892 --> 01:34:01.000 [SPEAKER_04]: I did a quick search about Plankquaint, Plate Quenching, tapered material, and a video came up by Walter Sorrows, who's a great resource for education information. 01:34:01.461 --> 01:34:08.105 [SPEAKER_04]: So if you go to Walter Sorrows YouTube, it looks like the video title says something, it says a new Plate Quenching tool. 01:34:08.685 --> 01:34:09.526 [SPEAKER_04]: Will it change your life? 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01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:46.340 [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate the frog joke, yeah. 01:35:47.361 --> 01:35:49.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, thank you all for listening. 01:35:49.362 --> 01:35:51.443 [SPEAKER_01]: We shall speak you all again next week. 01:35:51.924 --> 01:35:52.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye for now. 01:35:55.286 --> 01:35:56.566 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we go, I'd tell. 01:35:56.907 --> 01:35:58.548 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen Obsession? 01:35:59.108 --> 01:36:00.209 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 01:36:00.649 --> 01:36:02.030 [SPEAKER_01]: If you heard about it. 01:36:02.130 --> 01:36:05.412 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I saw it in the theaters, like the day after it came out. 01:36:06.552 --> 01:36:07.992 [SPEAKER_04]: How great is it? 01:36:08.152 --> 01:36:15.754 [SPEAKER_04]: It's probably one of the best if not the best scary movie I've seen in like the last 10 years 20 years. 01:36:16.214 --> 01:36:17.174 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's fucking good. 01:36:17.234 --> 01:36:17.715 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it. 01:36:17.735 --> 01:36:19.335 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so picture this right. 01:36:19.355 --> 01:36:20.635 [SPEAKER_01]: I go to the cinema on my own. 01:36:20.655 --> 01:36:22.135 [SPEAKER_01]: So Jesus. 01:36:22.155 --> 01:36:23.956 [SPEAKER_01]: But the kids have been put to bed, right? 01:36:23.996 --> 01:36:26.356 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to go to the cinema and it's not far from here. 01:36:26.937 --> 01:36:30.317 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of these new ones with big soul furs and the other clients and stuff. 01:36:30.337 --> 01:36:31.898 [SPEAKER_01]: It's perfect like end of the night stuff. 01:36:31.918 --> 01:36:33.038 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so I go there. 01:36:34.024 --> 01:36:46.247 [SPEAKER_01]: And the only one in the cinema will begin with right and I'm like oh shit, this is going to be this is going to be terrible Anyway, by the time the film starts, three couples walk in right It's completely separate, you'll sit in over different places in the theatre now right 01:36:47.466 --> 01:37:10.107 [SPEAKER_01]: halfway through the film right one guy gets up and he walks he doesn't go to the exit he goes to a fire escape right he goes out to the fire escape but five seconds later he comes back and just goes to his chair right I'm like that was a bit like the fuck yeah but listen about three seconds later a guy from another couple goes down does exactly the same thing 01:37:11.068 --> 01:37:21.238 [SPEAKER_01]: he comes back, then the second he sits down, the third guy from the third coming, they don't know each other, that does exactly the same thing. 01:37:21.378 --> 01:37:24.100 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm shitting myself, thinking what the hell is going with that? 01:37:24.120 --> 01:37:26.422 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching the scary film this week, thing has happened in. 01:37:27.504 --> 01:37:29.605 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I reckon there's a drug steal, right? 01:37:30.025 --> 01:37:31.165 [SPEAKER_01]: That's something to amy about. 01:37:31.185 --> 01:37:35.847 [SPEAKER_01]: She was like, well, one of them was probably taking drugs out there and the other one was going to get it or whatever. 01:37:35.987 --> 01:37:37.108 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was bizarre. 01:37:37.488 --> 01:37:39.789 [SPEAKER_01]: There was no word spoken, nobody spoke to each other. 01:37:40.409 --> 01:37:41.909 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the most bizarre thing. 01:37:42.269 --> 01:37:47.151 [SPEAKER_01]: And all through this, like, mad film anyway, I was absolutely brick in myself. 01:37:47.171 --> 01:37:54.674 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's not that hell, it's going to be like, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look at it, look 01:37:55.986 --> 01:37:58.768 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go on, Marco, you tell them. 01:37:58.908 --> 01:38:01.711 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, basically, this guy's got a crush on this girl. 01:38:01.751 --> 01:38:04.413 [SPEAKER_04]: They've gone to school together and they go to school together. 01:38:04.653 --> 01:38:11.118 [SPEAKER_04]: And I think they're in college at this point because they do have like a scene where they're at the bar hanging out with friends. 01:38:11.198 --> 01:38:14.381 [SPEAKER_01]: But they work together in the guitar store, don't I? 01:38:14.421 --> 01:38:16.022 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and they work in a music shop together. 01:38:16.102 --> 01:38:19.885 [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, one guy's got a massive crush on another girl. 01:38:21.048 --> 01:38:27.871 [SPEAKER_04]: that that works of the store, but she doesn't like their friends, but he's solidly in the friend zone. 01:38:29.192 --> 01:38:32.113 [SPEAKER_04]: And so he goes to this curiosity shop. 01:38:32.153 --> 01:38:36.175 [SPEAKER_04]: He's trying to get her gift to like try to share how he cares about her. 01:38:36.235 --> 01:38:41.298 [SPEAKER_04]: He makes a wish on this kind of like gifty thing and then she becomes obsessed with him and then 01:38:42.098 --> 01:38:42.678 [SPEAKER_04]: in San Diego. 01:38:42.738 --> 01:38:46.621 [SPEAKER_01]: His wish was that I wish she loved me more than anybody else in the world. 01:38:46.641 --> 01:38:47.381 [SPEAKER_01]: That was his wish. 01:38:47.441 --> 01:38:48.102 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:38:48.162 --> 01:38:50.123 [SPEAKER_02]: So she becomes the villain. 01:38:50.683 --> 01:38:53.505 [SPEAKER_04]: It is a, a fucking, I don't really think. 01:38:53.605 --> 01:38:56.827 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you prove he's a fucking life? 01:38:56.887 --> 01:38:57.648 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand. 01:38:57.688 --> 01:38:58.768 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to hear that. 01:38:58.828 --> 01:39:03.911 [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, most scary movies, I'm pretty bored by because like this, this is why you're taking a life. 01:39:05.573 --> 01:39:06.333 [SPEAKER_04]: It was good, isn't it? 01:39:06.353 --> 01:39:07.214 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, it's thrilling. 01:39:07.694 --> 01:39:08.555 [SPEAKER_04]: It was pretty wild. 01:39:08.935 --> 01:39:12.739 [SPEAKER_04]: It's definitely one of the great probably one of the better ones I've seen in the last 20 years, though. 01:39:13.139 --> 01:39:15.121 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, best one in 20 years. 01:39:15.541 --> 01:39:15.842 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:39:15.882 --> 01:39:16.182 [SPEAKER_02]: Jeez. 01:39:17.663 --> 01:39:18.144 [SPEAKER_02]: Really good. 01:39:18.204 --> 01:39:18.424 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:39:18.444 --> 01:39:18.804 [SPEAKER_02]: Really good. 01:39:20.105 --> 01:39:21.406 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I just wanted to say that probably. 01:39:21.426 --> 01:39:21.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's good. 01:39:22.207 --> 01:39:22.407 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:39:22.547 --> 01:39:22.788 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:39:24.489 --> 01:39:26.871 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all again for listening and we'll speak you next week. 01:39:26.891 --> 01:39:27.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.