[SPEAKER_02]: Hello and welcome to medium literate the show we're too long time best friends try to sharpen their media literacy skills by talking about a new movie in theater each week.
[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Monica Scott and my co-host is Emily Fay and this week we are talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: One night only, so I'm going to give you a spoiler warning from here on out because we get into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we tell you everything that happens, including pretty early in the podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talk about how the movie ends.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just know that that's, you know, it's a rom-com.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't...
[SPEAKER_02]: You probably know how it ends, but anyway, so that's that spoiler warning for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's it for the Reminders so onto the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show everyone!
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to our one night only episode and we will be getting into that in a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: But first Monica has a tail to tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel I feel we've had some experiences this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to tell you guys, okay, so here's what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an experience I had at the movies this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not related to when I'd only, I have a landmark theaters near me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've always meant to go to these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think every movie chain does a version of this, where it's like a surprise movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not telling you what it is, but you can go and it'll be a surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the whole idea is that it's a movie that's coming out soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but it's not out yet and you get the first glimpse, and you know, it's like a fun little thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think because of where we are in the calendar right now, like Tony's coming out soon, like all these, all these, I really thought it was going to be Tony, which is why I flag that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is sent, like, something A24 would do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but so I was like, oh, so many good movies are coming out, like, let's go to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I went in to the mystery movie at Landmark, and I was so excited because I was convinced it was going to be Tony or maybe dog stars or maybe like any of the like 10 movies I'm like interested about in this month.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then
[SPEAKER_02]: On the screen, after the trailers, the production company cards start coming up and the first one that comes up is Angel Studio.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I out loud was like, oh fuck!
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, if you guys aren't familiar with Angel Studios,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I'm not going to give you a full history because I don't know it, but I do know that they are the Utah-based faith-based conservative production company that put out the sound of freedom and young Washington.
[SPEAKER_02]: and some other kind of like biblical movies or American, I think, propaganda movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I also think that they acquired the chosen, which I think was like initially crowd funded because everyone was like, we need young Jesus and then they acquired it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like the chosen is like, hugely a pop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I shout out to my mom who's for sure listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe she watched it, not for like religious reasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she was just like, oh, you know, prestige drama.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, biblical prestige drama sounds interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think maybe when she told me I had a reaction to it, so listen, the thing about Angel Studios movies,
[SPEAKER_02]: is that the cast is always like, it's a mix of like sure, some conservative, whatever, and then also just like people that I'm like, oh, you're like an interesting, why are you doing this?
[SPEAKER_02]: And these people who had JK Simmons in it, who I have no idea what his, I'm not going to assume the political affiliations of anyone in this movie, but like JK Simmons, Jared Harris, who I
[SPEAKER_02]: Jared Harris was the guy in Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck what was that character's name?
[SPEAKER_02]: He kills himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, spoilers for Mad Men.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Price, lean price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, sorry for my confused look.
[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't about him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just trying to look for Angel Studios movies and ended up on a page that confused me, but it was incorrect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, yeah, if you're listening to the audio, I'm really made a really confused face when I said Jared Harris.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I started explaining who he was in a panic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, I didn't realize I would need to give context for Jared Harris.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I actually didn't, I didn't know that that was lame price.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never knew that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Chernobyl, those other things he was in, that I, that I think of.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's in like, he's in like every British thing that gets made.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I hope Davis was in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like it was an interesting cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say we lasted 15 minutes and then we walked out wait and what what was the movie?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, so the movie is the
[SPEAKER_02]: and who's bringing in um what if that was me asking now who's Ronald Reagan I'm gonna pull up the brink of I it's funny that I knew I was in talking about this and yet Jeff Daniels is who played Reagan okay um which makes sense and you know to
[SPEAKER_02]: I was not open to an Angel Studios movie that night.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying I'll never watch one.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is interesting is that I'm not interested in what they make.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't usually have the stomach for American propaganda.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, it's extreme pro-America propaganda.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't tolerate it, especially right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that actually will toughtail nicely into the organization about the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, young Washington, the one that came out over the 4th of July, that movie made like $50 million.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are not unsuccessful movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know how people talk about the concept of like America B, which is like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's never heard that, but that's, I immediately understand it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's like, you know, all those shows on like CBS that you've never heard of, but yeah, they're in their seventh season and then you learn that it's like, it's literally the most popular show in the world or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like America J, America Jesus, where it's like, if you put out stuff like this,
[SPEAKER_02]: that that many people are kind of guaranteed to go see it I mean and and will never hear about it like it's it's yeah it's just isn't like reach our circles and like i'll tread lightly on my judgments about it right like i will say it's not my interest and not interested in it but that is
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if we're strictly talking business, that is a demographic that wasn't being served, right, by, like, theatrical release films.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were being served by, like, the country they live in in general and all of its policies and ideologies, but not by liberal Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and I don't even mean like served like they deserve anything special.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that they have specific interests and theatrical release movies outside of maybe Marvel and even those I think can sometimes I think the Disney product in general can like sometimes dabble in stuff that they just are not interested in or are resistant to.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is interesting that like
[SPEAKER_02]: As much as I'm not open to it, it is a business model that, like, I think probably works, and like, it's smart business wise, because these movies make a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a, it was funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: After the Angel Studio's card came up, there was a card that, that came up after it that said, this movie is supported by the 22 or, like, two something million members of the Angel Guild.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure I got clarity on what the angel guild is and I don't know if it means I am in the angel guild because I bought a single ticket to a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when I googled it, it seems like they also have a streaming service.
[SPEAKER_02]: that is related to the angel guild.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cannot imagine that 2 million people are signed up for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like P.Cock has trouble reaching those numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Monica, you're part of the angel guild.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no!
[SPEAKER_01]: We gotta get you out.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the next movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a rescue of me getting out of the angel guild that I accidentally joined.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a rough week for mystery screenings because the scream unseen at AMC, everyone was talking about everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Eli Roth's ice cream man apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so way more people ended up
[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing it then would have ever willingly seen it because, you know, they didn't know what they were going into.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that actually, I think hurt the movie because then a bunch of people who otherwise wouldn't have even seen it were like, there's so much AI and it's the worst movie I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said he's a very bad man.
[SPEAKER_02]: So aside from even that it's like I'm not open to anything that he, he,
[SPEAKER_02]: releases into the world for it's like his him reasons, but also the movie is bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Being a soundman scene made us so that there was just a huge fucking like rush on Monday of people being like a whole he fucking shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: that's so funny yeah because like so i don't know i will say we walked out we are two people uh and then i saw like four others walk out it wasn't like packed there were maybe like yeah 15 people in their total but i don't know the landmark near me is in like a very wealthy like
[SPEAKER_02]: a very wealthy area that doesn't no one has political signs outside one way or another, but I would assume doesn't mind some pro-America Christian focused film.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I don't know if that was strategic on Angel Studios' part to choose landmark theaters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think of landmark as like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they show indie, they show that they're the theater near me that shows Indies.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, right, I mean, I don't know what the, what the economics or wheeling of the dealings are behind like the screen unseen movies, like, you know, probably maybe that's the only movie that like,
[SPEAKER_01]: would do it this week, you know, end of oak street is like, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, probably bigger movies are like, no, we were not released.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, I'm sure there's like a whole ecosystem of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I would have to imagine, yeah, I don't have any, I don't have any inside information on how they work, but I would assume that the studios.
[SPEAKER_02]: would arrange things like this that they want to start to generate buzz for.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're I mean, especially I think maybe if they're feeling like they'd have a not
[SPEAKER_02]: maybe not, I don't know, actually, I shouldn't speculate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say if they don't have like a big marketing budget, and this is a good way to get like UGC content out of it is like, do it across the country at these like mini screenings and enough people will at least like log it on letterbox or something, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's pure speculation on my part.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I have no real idea, but yeah, it's, well,
[SPEAKER_01]: You're part of the angel guild now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mean to join it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then, yeah, speaking of screening experiences, I, for the movie this week,
[SPEAKER_01]: think everyone saw that on opening night at 7pm at theaters across this nation, they were billing it as the one night only opening night singles event.
[SPEAKER_01]: So aside from the fact that I had to go on Thursday because that was the only night that worked for me and 7pm was in fact the most convenient time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aside from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and it's happened to be also there to find love.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was also there to find love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and There was nothing
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing has it, which was there no facilitation, no like cheeky little cards before the movie on the nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a normal screening, which, you know, I was disappointed with on a journalistic level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Extremely okay with on a personal level, like I don't necessarily think that.
[SPEAKER_01]: My future husband is at the when I don't leave singles events screening that's not something I've ever
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, he could be there ironically in sort of the same attitude that you were there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that my future husband was in a screening of Tony.
[SPEAKER_01]: At that same time, my school's event was getting out of this movie and then going and standing and just like looking confused outside of the theater where they were playing Tony.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my matchmaking event for the night.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wondered which episode of Anthony Bourdain's No Reservations I should start with if I've never seen him in episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the deal with this Matt Johnson guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was that someone would just like explain his whole thing to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was nothing and look, I'm going to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did feel bad for anybody that did go wanting there to be some sort of facilitated thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's also like, it's sort of stupid to build something as something that is that type of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think even if they were just like fun little cards in the beginning that we're like, instead of, I mean, obviously they don't want to lose the new V-Money.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably all it is because that, I think, makes a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's essentially an ad reel for 20 minutes before the
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but there should have been cards that came up that were like turn to the person to your right and ask that This question about themselves or something or like give me a keychain, you know, either or Sure give me some property that I can
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there was, when I, so, you know, got out of the movie, went pee, then like was like walking out of the theater, and there was a guy who was like, who was like, were you in that screening?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, yeah, and he was like, there was like nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that there would be something, and I was like, oh, some people came here looking for love.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, scurry away as quickly as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not interested.
[SPEAKER_01]: But um, then breaks my heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, was kind of like, oh no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, maybe some people are like, I don't know how to meet people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's nothing in our world today to properly facilitate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe some people showed up and they wanted a chance to meet people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just a point in them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get into the movie shortly, but like... Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having an interesting experience where everything I was about to say just left my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like Yadayada's something about how the movie wasn't that romantic and then also this experience wasn't that romantic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like a very, it seems like I kind of lay a missed opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, singles are very disrespected population in our culture.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're so right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's you guys and children.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, um...
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I didn't really have anything to report on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went hoping to have something to report, but I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there were a lot of couples which felt rude.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is rude.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't for you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go to the 730.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll tell you at my screening.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't one of those single screenings.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was at like 4 p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think on a...
[SPEAKER_02]: on a Thursday.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was only one other person in the theater with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, we did Alex.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he hated the trailer for this movie and didn't want to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually, again, we'll get into it shortly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But afterwards, I've told him a little bit about the movie and he's like, I might have, that sounds kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have at least like to see how they did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, he missed out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He missed out, brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: But so it was just me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then a man who was,
[SPEAKER_02]: Look like maybe in his 60s, there's like an older Asian man.
[SPEAKER_02]: fully dressed like a business man, but like maybe a business man that like had a casual lunch meeting, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Polo shirt?
[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice polo shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the same theater that I saw her private hell in where I saw the the full white, white press shirt, white jeans man.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is just this theater generous, the weirdest NPCs for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: Asian business man baseball cap on pretty low like so like like he was an a poor and theater like try not like it's sort of at the vibe of golf I think maybe he golfed but okay but the the thing I found actually most striking about him is that he was carrying a stamp tonight briefcase
[SPEAKER_02]: There's just something, I don't want it so funny to me to have a briefcase in the movie theater.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I feel like, and that's the situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: There would be, like, where it's like, he keeps looking at you trying to make some sort of connection, like, just got some, and you keep looking at him like, what are you doing with that briefcase?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's in the briefcase?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to think it was like a full sort of like snack, snacklebox sort of situation when he opens it and it's like perfectly portioned because it was in our final school box before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's really funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not on the food internet like I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I pictured like him opening it and it's like perfectly portioned out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was sitting really, you know, he's something on the other side of the theater.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know that he was looking for a connection either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say he and I both laughed out loud really loud at the same part.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that I was like, what a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, okay, you'll have to tell us the part later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well 20 minutes in, do you want to start talking about the movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay, yes, okay, one night only I'm just going to get I'm going to get this out there, okay, okay, I think this is perhaps one of the most evil movies of our generation I think this might be a deeply deeply evil movie
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you give me a reason some reasons?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it is the worst of everything and I also think it's, um, uh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: The premise is obviously bizarre.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all know this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then I feel like
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been seeing people be like, oh my gosh, it's so stupid that like people are like, want just to focus so much on like the logistics of this premise as opposed to just like, oh, it's a cookie like rom-com taking place in the world where this is the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, the premise is so insanely dark, it is a world very close like in time to the day we are
[SPEAKER_01]: it's very it's very dark and it's not like it's not like oh I wish this movie was the hunger games where then someone tries to dismantle that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that it's crazy you have a whole movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: where you make up this dark of a premise and then have it only three years after it's taken effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like centuries, it's not decade, it's three years after this is taken effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone is so just like, what are you gonna do?
[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, sometimes the movie even posits, maybe this rule is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone is just so like, hey, it sucks, but what can you do?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a crime, and a crime is bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, aside from the fact that I just didn't like the movie, I didn't think it was romantic, I didn't think it was sexy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like not a good rom-com.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't think it was a good rom-com.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's like, I thought that it was much more effective as like, neoliberal propaganda than it was as a rom-com.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not effective in where I'm like yay new liberalism but in a way where it's like that's the that's the ideology It's trying to push.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like an aquarium.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get to look into of like how they think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I was just baffled beginning ten
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's that I get I follow what you're saying and I think a lot I think I've seen I've seen a lot of this feeling and I am the total opposite You loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't say I loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't love it in fact.
[SPEAKER_02]: I but I didn't hate it either and it
[SPEAKER_02]: It has sent me down some interesting thought lanes with this with the reaction to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say I neither hated it nor loved it, but I would say that I actually found a lot of the not a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say I found like five or six bits of the comedy to truly work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I thought some of the jokes were genuinely funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple of really interesting subversions that I thought were like, I was like, I think this is like well done in some of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also, so like to me,
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of a high concept romcom is like, there's a story tradition of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm not that scandalized by the notion of like a romcom being so weird that it's like no weirder than splash or mannequin or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kate and Leopold, or warm bodies, the zombie romcon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so like, there have been, and they, and then they very, in, Groundhog's Day, they very, in, Groundhog's Day was a weird romcon that's spun its own genre.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do think it's kind of like interesting that this premise, I totally agree with, with like, that it's,
[SPEAKER_02]: that politically it doesn't, it's like not succeeding in whatever it's trying to do, but I have read a lot of the reaction to it as people,
[SPEAKER_02]: Potentially not analyzing why they are reacting the way they are to it, because to me with the movie did, was show a very dystopian reality where our rights are infringed on to obviously shocking degree, but a degree that is like, that we're five steps away from right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's completely reasonable that people don't can't watch something like this that like essentially shows because I would say there have been laws that have been like repealed or put in place that no one likes right that that we also don't do anything about so like to me it was showing me a pretty realistic depiction of what happens and then
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was neither fingerwaggy nor was it cathartic nor was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it wasn't showing us anything that would feel good in reaction to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watching it right now in this moment where it feels quite hopeless and food makes us sick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, you know, like all this shit is happening right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of like, yeah, okay, not the time for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's why it's so unpleasant to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: at least because it does feel like realistically how people react to things, but um and yeah you're right it's not finger-wagon but it's like it is actually realistic and how people do sit down and just take whatever is um yeah put upon us but to then watch that on screen reflected does feel really bad because it's like everything with the with the chips
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, holy shit, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, to make that into like a cute plot point as part of the romance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I think the thing I think about that is that I don't know that I feel like I don't know anything about the screenwriter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know this was a blacklist script.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that the, but I like the director enough, I mean, I, what do, I like EZA is what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like the movie EZA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hated anyone but you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, didn't think that was like morally reprehensible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that was a very bad, ineffective rom-com.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do, I do love EZA.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I know much of that is just that that's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Young I'm a stone and she's a star, you know, but it's written I think the story is really inventive Yeah, and he did like one of the writers and he didn't write this one and it is it's just like a we it is a weird premise and it just doesn't I think maybe it's evil in a way I am evil where I'm just like yeah, we don't do anything and we're stupid and We just take this shit and
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I would have maybe been more forgiving if I felt that like the screen read that's the thing I think I felt like it was very If it's almost like if I felt that it was more cynical like if I felt that the screen writer was making a point with that But I kind of got the whole the the vibe the whole movie that like I kind of think that like He thinks that's good
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't like I think it like doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like like I think that again Like I I'm really not knocking anyone who was like this it makes me upset to see this like because I I totally understand I think it's unpleasant to watch a movie kind of just like gesture broadly at like Fascism right and like
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, if it felt like it was skewering, I mean, I do think the resist signs felt a little, like they were skewering something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then I think they all said repeal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And repeal, that's what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they were very much a one-to-one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because like, yeah, the way that they were like eight by four inches just in, like, just the most limp, dick, fucking like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a parlor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is what the repeal signs are or like the little like, you know, and I'm not, I'm not here to joke about this, but like the no ice signs that people put in windows, it's like, I understand what that's communicating and why you do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that, you know, a sign in a window doesn't really stop anything if authoritarianism is determined to progress forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's the thing you're taking on that is how much I think we maybe had different reads on whether the screenwriter was making, was satirizing or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somehow to me, within the rest of the script, I didn't feel like he was like satirizing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I
[SPEAKER_01]: In my mind, I was like, I think this is the type of guy who might think, like, he's really doing, I think, like, I guess like the politics of this movie felt very, like, a Santa Monica mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, they have a million of those signs and there you are that are like, in this house, we probably, but then they like thought that Bernie Sanders was like the devil incarnate.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll adjust what you said slightly to correct it to my my take, which is I think it was a 20 I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure it was a 2024 blacklist script, which means it would have been written in 23 or 22, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So like it is not a script that's concurrent with our time, so that's one element is like that was a different moment and
[SPEAKER_02]: maybe it was a reaction to Rovey Wade overturning or, you know, I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I can't predict what's in it's heart, but I actually don't, I don't credit any of that to the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that the director directed the production design to increase the stuff like that and that he was satirizing, but he didn't write the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I think he was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I don't know that I think this is good or bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's interesting that he sort of wanted to include a little bit of an I role with stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't I don't, but I certainly don't credit the script and I don't think the script was like, I just think it was like, it's interesting enough of a concept and if it,
[SPEAKER_02]: It shouldn't, it like, I just like, I guess I may be like shocked that we didn't like stop this earlier in the process, knowing the historical moment we're in and how people would feel seeing something like this, we're just like, yeah, I mean, this is how we are treated and we all feel insane and can't do anything about it and please don't show us this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also I think it's like it's I guess my is it's like is I'm almost like it's it's not like Don't show us this or like I don't want to see anything that makes me uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more just like it's weird to romance
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I didn't, it didn't feel romanticized.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also, I get what you're saying, though, which is maybe where we're seeing different things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like an optical illusion where it's like, the direction was perhaps extremely at odds with the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like, it was two people coming at this premise from two extremely different points of view.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: a weird sort of incoherent ideology to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think evidence that really supports what you're saying that like the they thought it's good maybe Is the ending of the movie where they get into the lighthouse and she's like no, let's wait, and it's like I Get it and also like at 10 minutes in a lighthouse
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it's just like my favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll show you like that lighthouse in New York just unlocked 24-7 It would be the most disgusting fucking place in the city But like but having that be the ending that was that was the one moment while watching it that I was really like
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, what is the message then, if, yeah, I thought we didn't like this law this whole time, but then if that is the end message and I get that it's in service of the romance the romantic ending, but it is like
[SPEAKER_02]: This kind of undermines any like teeth this had about this because that's happy the ending when it cuts to a year later and they're being all like Oh What should we do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did it do do do do do then they have sex and it's kind of like shown like isn't it good?
[SPEAKER_01]: They wait it because now they yeah, it's a deeply
[SPEAKER_01]: sex-negative movie, and I'm not miss a sexual vibe, sex-positive over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people would call me a cold fish, but I found this to be a very sex-negative movie, where it seems to think that sex is bad, because like, you know, the part where it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, in a minute, I want to just get into it as a rom-com.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't want to totally, just like, I was also told this week that I tend to rant a lot, not even on the podcast, just in your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to try not to rant.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anywhere where you're allowed to rant, I do think it is your own podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to get into it just as like a rom-com in a minute?
[SPEAKER_01]: But the part where she's with,
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy who seems like the perfect fit and like the polio guy at first and then it's like oh Oops, he's he's a criminal so he's not actually allowed to have sex that night and then you know She's like oh She's in the police station and she's like he had sex.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's so bad And they're like well, it was like he broke the mandate 14 times and eight days and then she's like oh That is bad then they just add on like oh also he's done like
[SPEAKER_01]: fraud and real estate fraud, while your fraud doesn't seem to worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also kind of like, they're presenting this guy where it's like, he broke the mandate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: he's bad because he broke the law like no matter what that that seemed to me was very like it doesn't matter what the law is if you break the law you're bad so then they have to like add on all these other little things to make it so that like he's asking it used Monica Barbaro's question character to question like where are you guys enforcing this but then even that didn't because I didn't I didn't actually read her reaction to the
[SPEAKER_02]: the finding out it was 14 times and eight days.
[SPEAKER_02]: I found I read her reaction to that to be like, whoa, like how, more than like, he's bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, it was a really, that scene is so pivotal in like how it failed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it is like,
[SPEAKER_02]: They use her character to be like, why are you even enforcing this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, thanks for nothing and the cop is just like, what do you want for me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, if I am at work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is like, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's impotent is like the right word.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like an impotent little like, again, just your broadly like, Why are they doing this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to like, whatever the logic or whatever, but they're like, one of the things where I feel like they're like, it's good is like there's some news report that's like STIs are at zero, teen pregnancies down, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, so actually
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, conservatives, more than anyone else are the ones who are like, actually obsessed with and dependent on people getting, uh, pregnant, well, like, pregnant out of wedlock and as, like, teen pregnancy, conservatives are the ones who are like,
[SPEAKER_01]: they need people to get pregnant when they don't want to and don't have the means to whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't feel like that was presented as positive either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't suppose to be, I thought that the perspective of the movie is that this law is bad, but everyone is being, everyone's doing nothing about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when they show like an evil, cause I don't think the movie has a conservative world for you, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I feel like.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when they show the like,
[SPEAKER_02]: sort of like fucking Jerry Falwell or like you know the like man on screen who's like evil conservative guy being like it's good and we passed this the stuff he's listing I think you're supposed to be like
[SPEAKER_02]: Shut up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shut up nerd.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, yeah, I guess it's a weird thing where it's like, yeah, within the movie it's a lot of like this law is bad because it sucks and I want to like suck and fuck the other days of the year and not like this law is bad because it is like an insane infringement on like
[SPEAKER_01]: Human rights whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, anyways, okay into the rom-com of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I will I would also like to say though Yes, where we leave premise land is that I think it's I think part of the fun of the movie Is to pick at the premise a little bit and be like
[SPEAKER_02]: We wouldn't like, so when the clock strike, how come people weren't ready to go?
[SPEAKER_02]: You should have picked your person hours earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you do with that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right, and also I was really taken by how much of the first like 30 minutes or so was like, like before the clock hits, how many people's preparation for this night of nonstop fucking was to have a huge meal was to...
[SPEAKER_01]: was to sit down and have a giant meal of rich foods and get really, really, really full right before you want to fuck a bunch that would be my approach personally.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting to me that that was so many people's approach.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also some people were in like the middle of a meal and it's like why didn't you time?
[SPEAKER_01]: for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is that anyone timing this better?
[SPEAKER_01]: And also why isn't anyone just like married?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you just get married to people?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like do are they stopping you from getting divorced?
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone said that there's a sign somewhere in the back that says, like, you can't get divorced unless you've been married like a year and a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: But still, that would make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get married essentially like once, yeah, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or just be married to, you know, just everyone just get married and then you just have agreements.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was wondering too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, why can't people just get married to whoever, like, does the chip then make it so that like, it knows if you're fucking someone who's not your spouse, why is her like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Queer roommate is very like, you know, they is a straight people problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they hinted stuff, but then it's like, okay, but why?
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you get around it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a sign in the police station that very clearly says that like any sort of sex, like oral sex, hand stuff unclear.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get that good of a look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it seems like that's allowed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So masturbation did the porn industry abruptly stop?
[SPEAKER_02]: Also it happens when you leave the country.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're you so are you even it would make sense to me that if they're able to enforce this law You also aren't allowed to leave the country like I just don't know and I think that it's fun to question that stuff Yeah, and it's like because it I don't think it takes away from the movie I think it's just like this presented something and saying and it's funny to be like
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what happens in this situation?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't bother me because it's like how would that have worked?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I don't want that to just do like an hour of exposition.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just sort of like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it wasn't also dark, it would be like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I like a weird premise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why this movie like all the showings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how I haven't looked into how it's doing like nationwide, but all of the showings Thursday night Friday night Saturday night that I was looking at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Full.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like I do think that like people, you know, sometimes maybe a rom-com needs a weirdo premise like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think that's a very successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also think it would have been maybe slightly more interesting as like an ensemble where it's like, you know, like love actually or something, but it's just like vignettes into the premise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that could have been slightly more interesting, but we should, yeah, we can move on to the wrong problem of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want it to flag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the wrong comma, Vidal.
[SPEAKER_01]: didn't all work for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to not we don't need to make why did he have to be American?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure and I like I and I you know it's like hacky I guess to be like this guy can't do accent bad accent good but the New York accent is like really strange that he's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also just like, I got to be so honest, like this movie made me realize, like, I think I hate Calum Turner.
[SPEAKER_02]: is there a reason?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like as an actor, I think he is like a fucking wet saltine, like I think that he absolutely offers nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that a part of that is that I think that he has been drinking the cool aid about him being so handsome.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did find it, you know, I don't think he's like bad looking by any means, but it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The movie really bends over backwards to be like, this is a hot man.
[SPEAKER_01]: But all, like, everything he's in does, like I, uh, the other night, because it's like on Apple TV now, I watched a turnity, which I had missed in theaters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing where he just has absolutely nothing to offer, except everyone is like he's so handsome, every other character is just constantly saying how handsome he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: That movie at least kind of plays with it, where then it's like it turns
[SPEAKER_01]: It turns out he is very boring, and she's, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy with him and goes back to like Miles Teller because that's who she actually like, you know, connects with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but with this, it's just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: A premise like this relies on there being some magnetism between two characters, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like, okay, you keep meeting up and it's like, there's a reason you can't quite get enough of each other and why he would like dump his long-term girlfriend and like all that stuff and it's like
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked Monica Barbaro in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's very charming.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also liked him to be fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, okay, I just don't think, like I just, I feel like face wise.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, he looks like a normal man to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he, I don't like, I hated the accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every second of the accent, I was like, there's just no reason this guy can't just be British.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, that's funny, because I wasn't thinking about the accent very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was his story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like he watches the piano as to prepare.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I, and I don't find him necessarily that handsome specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just, to me, looks extremely normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the way he, like, he has a very right smile that is a little,
[SPEAKER_02]: He expresses mischievousness.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in a way that I found charming in this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that worked for this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do find his mouth very attractive, but I almost don't think that that's like his, I don't, I almost, I'm like, I don't think I can credit that to his acting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like, that's just his, his God given like the way his mouth moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and just, I mean, but that is, you know, that's a part of the package of an action.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I found their chemistry together charming.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I found her, I found her way more interesting and charming, and I just think she is naturally.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that he was, but I think he's a good sort of like beefy guy, rice mile.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that is the only combination of like attributes
[SPEAKER_02]: made it a good reflection to her kind of like, you know, a little churpee, perky, like goofball for a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess I just, I think of his whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just find him so boring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it's a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he is fucking high on his own supply.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, he's like in the running for James Bond, isn't he?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's people think that that's why they got kind of rushed to get married or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the thing, I also think that aside from the fact that I think that he is someone who's like, I'm so handsome and that's enough, I also think that there's a cockiness and not like a hot, like fun cockiness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think he's literally just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so hot, everyone says so, and also, like, I'm married to Dua Lipa.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I literally think, like, in his performances, I can see him behind his eyes being like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm married to duly, but, and I do like, and it's like, if you're just like a handsome guy, which like, he's handsome, but yeah, he's not the most handsome ever, like, there's a lot of more handsome guys out there that also have some sort of like charm, or electricity, spark.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't think he has it, like I really don't think he should be a leading man.
[SPEAKER_02]: He certainly doesn't have like James Bond swagger to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless there's like he's got some secret like performance in him that I've never seen before, but but it was good enough to me in this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: to keep me going.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, I mean, but also, the hotness thing was really funny because I really felt I could feel tangibly the movie like showing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't do this with Monica Barbaro as much.
[SPEAKER_02]: It showed women stop and like, yes, track him everywhere he went and it was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, especially it's like, and I know that part of that was it's like, oh, these women are like a horny and on the prowl or whatever, but it's like, um, they're literally in like New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's a lot of hot guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also just like, that is like, I don't know, um, will glove the director's sexuality, but it's like, I would like to point out that that's actually not that
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even like a manner for Mars, when we're from Venus type of thing, it's just like, typically that's not the situation that like a women are desperate to find it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was just a little like, there feels like there's a misunderstanding of the dynamics in general.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you didn't like their chemistry together?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like I like her chemistry with the guy who ended up being a criminal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did too, I liked it, and I didn't think chemistry with everybody actually, yeah, I just liked her a lot in this and I didn't think he had chemistry with a single person he crossed paths, you know, I see her having the if she plays her cards, right, because she's so likable.
[SPEAKER_02]: She could be like Jennifer Aniston level to a lot of people, I think, where it's like, that's a lady I like.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lady that is my friend that is on the movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she's not like, she doesn't look, she's very pretty, but she doesn't look like Dua Lipa.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she does have some of that girl next door.
[SPEAKER_01]: To her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also look credit where credit is due.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a rom com with two thirty six year olds with two single thirty six year olds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do appreciate that
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, how did you feel about the cameos?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of my few notes is I thought it was so dependent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was relying way too much on cameos and stunt casting, which, you know what, I will say, maybe that was a good move because when I was walking out of the theater, literally a girl set to her boyfriend, I loved all the cameos.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the cameo is mostly worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the Pete Davidson Bobby kind of value one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to love your boy, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: My boy, but that's almost the thing to me is it's like, if you're gonna have a wrong calm, we're like, calum turner is supposed to be like, our dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you put him across the fucking Bobby Conavali for like 30 seconds, he blows him out of the fucking water.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna rate a wrong calm and I'm gonna for you and it's a love triangle one and I'm gonna cast Bobby Conavali and who was the guy in last week's
[SPEAKER_02]: the most confusing love triangle on earth and neither one is like fight the right age.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought that that, you know, eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: That particular cameo where it's just like, hey, we're shooting a movie and then they make it a little a quick joke about like this is the only day We're like paparazzi or busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I just I appreciated the inclusion of a ton of those types of jokes It's like a quick like dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't mad at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just seemed a little like cheap to me like a little bit like Oh, you knew that like this didn't have the juice on its own
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, and you were already fuming having to look at calum turner for more than that's already by the time you see that part So it was very like sort of like plug and play like, okay, all these little rules just could be this person this person and people like recognizing things That is a truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes people do really like when they can go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that
[SPEAKER_02]: It also gave me the feeling that like I wonder if people really like working with this filmmaker Like he must have a lot of really positive relationships.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's always my assumption if there's a ton of cameos and something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, like that's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that guy
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even the like, um, okay, the one running joke that I did think was legit funny and totally incongruous with, like, the rest of the movie, I did think the drug commercial stuff was fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is what really I, and so it almost like, I wonder if that set me up to like the whole movie more because that's in a really early joke that they, it's the first
[SPEAKER_02]: A weird version of brave and then so I think it's a very funny because my feeling when I was hearing her sing brave I was like oh my god like they didn't even like
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt this frustration hearing it at first, where I was like, they didn't even try to find a like new, interesting, calm song, and then they have her singing psoriasis, and like subverted, and I was like, that is so funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it yanked me back when it did it one second later again with a thousand Vanessa Carlton's a thousand miles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was like the vagid and it wasn't anyone but it's like I was like ping-ponging emotionally I was like, oh my god, and now they're but now they are doing the thing and then that ended up being And add because that was only playing over like a montage of her getting home So I was like But I just that set me up to be like wait the
[SPEAKER_02]: The perspective on this movie is kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was funny because those parts felt like they were out of a different more of a parody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, that movie they came together, the Paul Rudd, Amy Poler, like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's just everything, it's all just like a parody of like a rom-com, rom-com, just.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those drug scenes almost seemed like they were more out of a movie like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: To me so I will say that I fucking hate that type of movie like if it was that yeah, so it's a funny that those jokes really worked for me because But it actually reminded me more of was the movie game night, which is not a rom-com at all But it's like oh no, one crazy night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but it reminded me of the type of humor that's in that Like I think that's a really well executed comedy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like one of the best executed comedy of like the last like two decades
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's interesting because to me, totally different type of humor from game night.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just, only that joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know, but those jokes are very not game night to me, but I love game night.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, I think, I think the reason I think that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, just to practice expressing myself a little here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I think the reason I think that is because those songs weren't just randomly placed in to be like, um, zany.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like tied to like that is her job and that it's like, so it was like grounding them in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Somehow was both high and low at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like tightened and also like but grounded at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when that is like that type of joke is executed well in a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really makes me happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like my favorite kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, so yeah, that was the joke that worked for both of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I did, yeah, I can't deny that like I did like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did find that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you want to know the joke that me and me and my co-enjoyer laughed at?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the scene where she is with that rock star guy and he's singing her a song and she starts to sing along and he goes, not a duet in the middle of him singing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me and that guy both went like really loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, that was funny and I did like him falling.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: His falling hit the whole scene with him was like both a little weird and really funny and also
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why, but I was like, this guy has massive thighs.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is going on with this guy's thighs?
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not know it was that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so muscular, I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always notice that when they show it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm not a thigh man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm an arm guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta know this guy's leg day routine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to get a new one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is such a classic rom gum thing where it's like, you have to, someone is, it keeps going through people that seem perfect, so then they have to have like, some like, last second weirdo thing that happens to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that they end up with like, the less appealing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our leading man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did Julia Fox work for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was the only one that I was like, this is reading kind of corny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I kind of thought a lot of the cameo's were corny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't even know if this is a, okay, one question I do have for Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying this with any judge.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm legitimately curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're now King Princess has to be in everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: What else is she in?
[SPEAKER_02]: Song, sung, blue.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I feel like there's another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, the King Princess, not someone I recognize outside of seeing her little picture on Spotify.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't actually recognize any music of, yeah, it's like, I just have a lot of trouble with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also, okay, something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh my gosh, okay, the product placement was like a grigious.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was something I noticed all the time, but then I didn't notice and I usually do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see, usually I don't, but then this time I did, but then what makes it actually worse is I saw an interview with
[SPEAKER_01]: the director, which actually, you know what, I loved EZA, but he also then gave that interviewer, I was like, there was more nudity, but people don't want to see nudity, so I cut it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's like stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the interviewer, he was like, everyone is saying there's so much product placement, but it wasn't because they didn't pay us.
[SPEAKER_01]: We actually had to beg them to use them in this movie, and I'm like, oh, that's actually like, that's way worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like what's the product?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it's like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Directs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was some God.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I wish I had ridden them all down.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was some beverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe There was dunking at some point there There were a lot You're making me think of something which is that
[SPEAKER_02]: like the thing that this movie was in love with more than anything else was living in New York City.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is what the romance was in the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Will Gluck is like a lifelong New Yorker.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I think that that is what he's in love with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like so much of the appeal of the movie is like the running around this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, it's like, he owns a fucking pizza shop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, Alex didn't want to see this movie because he doesn't like how unrealistic it is that it's not like an Albanian guy running the pizza shop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I also left it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say I didn't enjoy this Sydney Sweeney.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't enjoy Sydney Sweeney and I didn't like seeing her picture for one second.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did laugh out loud at the Glen Powell one for some reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wasn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the first of photo uh, cameo's and I wasn't expecting it to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, well.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny that he's like this is the neighbor that she and my girlfriend is fucking it was kind of like I was like that the joke of that neighbor to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like, I don't know why I'm like, I'm really nitp- And it's not even like, I'm like, this is why the movie was bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are just things I'm noticing, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just noticing things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I prefer to say that it's like a very New York City thing to like, you see a neighbor in the elevator and you're just like curious about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I guess it's to me, it's a very,
[SPEAKER_01]: the kind of joke where like nothing was funnier in middle school than if someone had like five last names from five different like ethnicities, which was very the joke of that name.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really even read that as supposed to be a joke, but maybe it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was so many times.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said it's so many times, I feel like it had to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it was, you know, it was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: García Rothstein, I don't know, but yeah, there are so many, so many cameos, a lot of stunt casting, I did think that
[SPEAKER_01]: S.D.
[SPEAKER_01]: Heim was funny as the bitchy door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't I don't I'm not a Heim person so I I was just like why do I know this woman?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who is she and then Z.A.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd notice Z.A.
[SPEAKER_02]: whatever you cast her as.
[SPEAKER_01]: mean me yeah mean woman number five or whatever um but yeah I don't know and even the like for something where you're just like running around all night I'm just like wanted there to be like more running around where it's like as opposed to just like we followed some people on the subway and then like God in a car I do think it's it's like it's
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if this movie, I know that there is a romance at the end of it, but in a lot of ways this movie is like less of a rom-com and more of a one crazy night movie, and I wonder if it works slightly more, if it's your thinking of it that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also remember comes with baggage.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, don't know why he would take her to his mom's house when he knows where.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where would he be?
[SPEAKER_01]: His mom is going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: She literally said I'm going to be here all night having sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he just thought he could well he was I think he was trying to tell her to be quiet like he could just sneak his mom is upstairs Is what that's what I was understanding to happen, but I thought it was stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a real unforesterer Yeah, I love Levar Burton though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I find him so Enduring every time I see him on screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did like how he was like
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'm just trying to bond and he was like, yeah, no, um, I'm gonna say something, I'm not saying I liked this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying I wanted this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am just saying this as a matter of fact, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Calum Turner and Molly Ringwald had more chemistry than he had with Monica Barbaro.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they had more sexual chemistry.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was weird, the relationship with the mom was really strange and I don't know, I didn't really know what I was supposed to make of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of felt like they wanted to fuck each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and maybe it's just because I'm watching House of the Dragon right now, and you know, maybe it's just all the ginsures.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there was something about their vibe that I was learning So here I also I'm like my a hawks character.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of like
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it justifying him leaving her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, look, it's anyone's right to leave anyone at any time, but it was trying to just, they could have just not done it like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they just could have done it differently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Them justifying him leaving her for a girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just met that night, which I'm like, yeah, of course the girl you just met is more exciting and hot, cause you haven't.
[SPEAKER_01]: No fucking run lived with her yet, but it's like justifying him leaving his long-term girlfriend for someone who just met because it's like, well, she's bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wanted to fuck someone else and it's like, fair enough in this weird society like I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't I just think a lot of people's in the movie generally people's justification for choices they were making was always like this is like flimsy yeah I was not as no one spent too much time thinking about this stuff I mean this is like
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll observe written by a man, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just thinking with that, it was, you know, to me it was a little, a little how you get him is how you lose him, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had a man who met me and then literally broke up with his long-term girlfriend like, you know, 12 hours after meeting me, I would be like, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: This seems like something that could potentially happen again.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but when you're in those situations, you're stupid, is the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like all of us are just stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is your agency.
[SPEAKER_02]: We forget anything logical.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so in that way, it's believable because, you know, she's like a dreamer and she's romantic.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we should come close to wrapping it up because I don't know if we want to do too much over an hour on a movie that we both felt just okay about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to ask you a question, which is how does this compare to the other theatrical rom-com this year of Yumi and Tuscany?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how would you rank them next to each other?
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, they're so different that it's the yard because it's like Yumi and Tuscany is almost one of those parody rom-coms in just how how corny it is and how much it commits to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: had
[SPEAKER_02]: a few more jokes that made me laugh definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to be honest, I don't really have the urge to re-watch either of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I was thinking that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I will think of this one because the jokes to me worked better in this one than in Yumi and Tuscany.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I will think back on this one more fondly than I would.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I would be more likely to put Yumi and Tuscany on in the background because like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't hate anyone in that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, if you just hate someone in the movie, you're never going to like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of my other problems with Kalim Turner, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I guess this wasn't him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have my problems with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: My problem with this character is I hate and there's like a rom-com and The you know you have to show in like 90 minutes to 120 minutes why these two people like each other why they're drawn to each other and so often It's like the woman is like funny charming fun all that stuff and the man the only qualities he has to offer her is like
[SPEAKER_01]: I smiled at you while you were singing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I called you cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's like, he's his only contribution is like, I kind of like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very like, oh, well, she likes, she, it's enough for her to like him because he likes her.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for him to like her, it has to be because she's all these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I didn't think that while watching it, but that is very astute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that is very much bad that that's what's in the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, he has no personality.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yes, he's, yeah, if I saw him walking down the street, I would be like, that's a really attractive man.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, I thought that we had kind of come to the realization that like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of us need more than just a hot boring guy, but that's the thing, I don't think the movie thought he was boring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he owned a pizza place.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a business owner.
[SPEAKER_02]: How can you be boring when you own a pizza shop?
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the most important people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to know what they had going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boop, tape wise, because they looked great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, can you imagine wearing a sequin, a halter top?
[SPEAKER_02]: She probably had cuts all over the back of the screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I liked the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did acknowledge that that did get uncomfortable at some point when he gave her the t-shirts.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, ow.
[SPEAKER_01]: But um...
[SPEAKER_01]: No, she looked great and I would like I would also like mine to be there in that yeah position Yeah, the scenes were she's like running in the dress Yeah, heels on the cobblestone streets.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like good god Like if they do do that we're really putting her through something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we cast her as James Bond But yeah, I don't know and then the whole
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really good podcasting, I was surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess it made sense that this to me was world, I can't say it was super interested in it, but it was successful world building where it's like the whole condom thing, although I'm like, why wouldn't they just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: They should just be working all year to make enough condoms that it's like a non-issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, although I do appreciate, I think something I thought was kind of interesting between that and the, oh damn, the girl from severance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sidney Cole, I'll examine her scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked the depiction of the ways people would use the situation to their advantage to scam and rob.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it was funny to depict it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, that is the movie being evil in a way that I am also evil, sure that I would do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that I think that's what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah no for sure and yeah the condom thing I guess is like yeah they they do the government does and does love to do like forced scarcity so that they can price scouts but also like it's New York bodega's it's not necessarily like I'm sure Target had enough or whatever
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, but it's like these liquor stores near the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, true, but yeah, I thought it was interesting how like 45 minutes of the plot was like trying to get a condom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, isn't there isn't there a movie where that's the whole plot?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a good podcasting, either asking a general question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there was like a 90s movie where that was the whole plot was like, you know, the 90s, like, right post-8s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when people were really caught, condoms were a big topic of conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big, I'm a big condom head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we, well, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people aren't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Monica is what you would know if you were still single.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, yeah, I mean, it was, but yeah, I think it was like that direction where like they say a thousand times like
[SPEAKER_01]: Instructions direct instruction and it's like you just said directs like 37 times.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy And they didn't pay you you should have had them pay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should have paid you what you should have gotten Trojan or another company.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like very clear that this is like obvious Corporate synergy between the movie studio and the
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what I thought was interesting was in that interview, he was like, we actually had to beg these companies to let us use them because people didn't want to be like, these companies didn't want to be associated with like the one night and like this weird premise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some bubble bubble mind like, but this condom, this direct condom is like the most desirable objects in New York City in this moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you have to say with John?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's really, that's really, that's really foolish.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really foolish.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think I have any more notes about this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I, I laughed at some of the things in that brief scene, which was like, cameo after cameo after cameo after cameo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Nicholas Braun, well, well placed.
[SPEAKER_02]: My best friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm lucky techno fascist corporate scumbag.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, he was funny in well-placed, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also was, you know, when she's like, uh, when it's Ben Marshall and Jay Ellis, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: When it was the two of them, and she's like, I don't know, and then it's like, okay, which one of us do you want to fuck first?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, come on, you would.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, these two guys, yeah, you wouldn't, the most unrealistic part of this movie is that she would be like, oh, brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, another bust.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess all the home and be sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, with this movie and with, I want your sex last weekend with the Wicker trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it feel like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Movies are over-correcting the like no-one-like sex scenes thing anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think like with Greg Oraki absolutely end that was his intention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then with this movie, I would not consider that part of it because they're
[SPEAKER_01]: It was actually, it was a very non-sectional movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where would the nudity have even really been?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it is funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and also it would have been boobs for sure, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 100%.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like nothing else.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of making out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is funny because that's the one thing that's actually legal.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're us that the year, but like, you guys are always allowed to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that much fucking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I think it's interesting that it's sort of, um, it supports your thought that this movie thinks that sex is,
[SPEAKER_02]: bad question mark or something because it depicts a lot of sex, but it's not sexy, it's it's not nice, it's kind of like gross and desperate and like yeah pathetic and and that is a strange choice but it is like it supports that theory that like this movie doesn't has a weird
[SPEAKER_02]: like conservative-ish worldview around what sex, what our relationship to sex should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that that's the director's perspective or the writers are what, but it is weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder if a piphany, a piphany, and I panicked and couldn't get the sentence out, what if the like incongruous feeling of this movie is because there was a bit of a push pole between the two perspectives?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why it's like, what is the message?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you guys want us to take away from this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, is it bad or not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you satirizing or not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Trying to, is this biting or not?
[SPEAKER_02]: But ultimately,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the thing I appreciated about it and I appreciate that it came out in the same year as you me in Tuscany is that one, I stand by this statement that romcums need to be in theaters because I tell you what I would have hated both of these at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, yeah, this one I actually I was I was doing a little bit of inside the bag Time check time to be honest with you, but this yeah, you do kind of feel the time in this one because it's like all right guys Figure it out is it morning yet?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then the other thing is like
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Yumi and Tuscany is very sweet and fun, and I like that it got made and I like that it existed.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also like when a Brahmcom has an edge to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I prefer that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I just, yeah, I think I would have liked this one if it had more of an inch to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the kind of the problem?
[SPEAKER_01]: Also to go back to Wickerman being a part of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason I don't think that I don't necessarily think we are in a moment that's more of an over-correction is just because I think Wickerman is part of its own genre that's always going to be sex-forward, which is like the monster fucker genre.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I think it's just called wicker.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think wicker made a wicker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched wicker man the other night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched the wicker man the original on which I Just a tangent for one second.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found fascinating because it's from the 70s.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of movies from the 70s look and sound quite clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like then I watched Carrie shortly after.
[SPEAKER_01]: For some reason
[SPEAKER_01]: that movie, wicker man, the wicker man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember if there's the, I haven't seen the necklace cage one, but the 70s original one, the sound and it is so sort of blurry and the sound is borderlining incomprehensible and part.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very like, you know, when there's pictures and people are like, oh,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I took this picture with a, with a microwave or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just feel like Wicker is very, you know, in line with like, those movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always going to have a lot of sex with whatever nonhuman entity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Flash was ultimately too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't know that this movie deserves any more Yeah, no, I think I think we did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sounded so heapful.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mean to
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you sounded hateful, I think we had a reasonable conversation, and I just had different angles we were coming at it from.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't like love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just like, there's a lot that, I think because, I mean, it's interesting, it's like an inverse of the hype cycle where like, everyone was so negative about this movie that I was like, when it, when it executed a funny joke in the first 20 minutes, I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was open to it because like, yeah, I do like a rom-com and theaters, and I do like a weird Interesting premise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what else I think actually hurt this movie was You know some movie start playing trailers release the first trailer like two months before Movie comes out this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I have been seeing trailers and posters and everything for this movie for as long as I've been alive
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think they're so right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone was like almost sick of this movie before it even came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think you're totally right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it had had had a shorter cycle, I think maybe people would have been a little bit more like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the purge, but sex, because that is essentially its unofficial tagline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's, you know that they bought it because they were like, everyone's going to be talking about how this is the purge for sex.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like an easy way to sell it, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is just so funny to think about how, I mean, like, funny, I'm sorry to everyone involved funny that the timeline was so fucking bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That, like, if it's a 2024 black list, and it's a 2023, he spent 22, 23 writing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: like it just is so clear that it's like yeah this is this was like not the moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like the stakes are kind of too high for a like a movie that shrugs at a authoritarian fascism.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right and also them them putting like
[SPEAKER_01]: chips in your arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what Q&A people think of this?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're obsessed with the chips.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're obsessed with everything putting chips in us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder what they think of the chips?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but if you are in Q&A, don't reach out.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, don't reach out.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't like an invitation.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was purely amusing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like not sort of a prompt or an invitation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also don't listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's our prompt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, here's our prompt.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you made it to the end of this episode, maybe on the episode post, tell us what little icon your wrist chip would be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and I'll be doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll reply to the post and do that as well because I need to think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: God when it when they show up close it going from like green to red red to green.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Chilling stuff Okay, well listen we'll see you guys next week for the end of Oxtray movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: It the end of Oxtray.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew that it was on my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, see you then
[SPEAKER_01]: that was our episode on one night only.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as always, if you liked this episode, if you went to Singles night and we're just appointed that you didn't find love, you know, text this too.
[SPEAKER_01]: The friend you went with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, text this to someone you want to fall in love with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it'll do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very romantic episode, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we will be back next week with the end of Oak Street.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you then.
[SPEAKER_02]: medium-literate was created and produced by Monica Scott and Emily Fay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our theme music was composed by Christian Larson, and technical health is from Alex Luchin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for listening and we will see you at the movies.