[SPEAKER_01]: I got stuff for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy moly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get some snakes and release them around my house.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love eat people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love eating kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: These guys are the scientists of the supernatural.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lecturers leaving lessons for inquiring laymen.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are applying the scientific myth to a world that baffles sides.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are the cryptids of the core.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every day, the European Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more convinced that you're a Dutch by aliens.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it just, uh, I mean, it just, like, kept going on and go on and she goes, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_02]: These are idiots.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was laughing reading this, because I already knew how you would feel idiot.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the story?
[SPEAKER_02]: It fits your balloon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this isn't a UFO.
[SPEAKER_01]: But who else has big black wings and red eyes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Batman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, mach, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, mach, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, everyone, I think we know it's definitely what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, say it all with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a sand bill crane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you try it?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you wouldn't need it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're probably toxic.
[SPEAKER_01]: There'd be a lot of poop in my face.
[SPEAKER_01]: and seeing a six foot alley, you gotta go swing into the air, slam into a tree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's the one that you're running through the man.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going to try to do an exit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, Andrew.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the great and powerful mystery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm Jake clone 140, but I'm curious what accent we're going to try.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to do it, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's the one that you're running through the man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: You remind me of the man, the man, what man?
[SPEAKER_02]: The man with the power.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, what power?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the how it goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: What power?
[SPEAKER_02]: The power of voodoo.
[SPEAKER_02]: voodoo, who do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, who do?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, voodoo, voodoo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's that from?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you do, you do, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a song, but Scooby-Doo, Mystery Island was the one I remembered it from, but other people, I remembered from other things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or doing voodoo dolls.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think someone made a voodoo dog me once I know I know who did who that one that one couple from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, salt fork.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if that was many years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our first year of doing our gig are no I think it was our debut conference.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was a second year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because we had done Yeah, yeah, it's weird here too of a big foot conference.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd done a couple conferences, but we had done many
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not many.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was year two.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was our second annual one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you are getting abducted by a witch in her.
[SPEAKER_01]: How am I said something bad?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yes, or friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: For friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just, well, if you guys, speaking of conferences, if you guys want to see us this weekend at the holiday biggest big foot festival in the world, probably at least this side of the Mississippi.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Hawking Hills Bigfoot Festival is this weekend Friday and Saturday as of release of this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so come
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, where's it at?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a MacArthur fairgrounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: MacArthur fairgrounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so come see us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're we're speaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're one of the main speakers main attractions get your ticket come out and hang out with us coming to our booth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you kidding me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well last time we had people
[SPEAKER_02]: seeing us at our campsite too.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will be having the credits of the corn camp take over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're having campfire stories in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Gary, Gary the sloth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got basically we're going to have the whole camp ground take it over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Gary the sloth of the squirrel.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a sloth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get old Gary.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're probably going to win best decorated campsite again.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're they're they're they're defending champions back to back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would see if we can order that big for animatronic and get it before then on one up Gary and one up Gary see Gary by the time you hear this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be too late.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have time to order why I do that rest of it my second kids books available.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get it on Amazon right now and then later on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be on the website but should be a link in the description below.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had that remember that a kid's guy to interventional create our interventional monsters.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's rated seven up is what we kind of talked about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: The book itself is not scary, but some of the entities inside the book are perceived to be a little creepy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they are because yes, they're that the naturally are, yeah, so you're going to have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not make them scarier than they were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just kind of how they are and you got to learn to.
[SPEAKER_02]: deal with those things in life, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have several other books we're working on right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: One is the freaky fauna Friday book.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have almost 300 animals that can be drawn.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a massive book and it's going to be a community led project.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's any of the freaky fauna guys that you would like to draw if you are at home in your artist or even if you're not, I know we have several kids drawing stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's a community led project where it's going to talk about conservation and what you can do in larger goals and all of this to me, it's going to be a really fun community project for you keep on a Friday at the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there'll be a link below for you to sign up for any unclaimed animals and I just ask that all the art be done by October 1st.
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't sign up for too much in taking away from somebody else, but do one sign up, you know, sign up, do one if you get it done, do another if you want that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's many different styles are everything right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cartooning the anatomical the only thing we ask is just don't draw it on notebook paper with lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, as we can't scan that very well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm buying a scanner and then if you draw it on paper, yeah, it's best if you will mail us the physical copy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because I'm actually buying an art scanner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can make a digital version of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, now, if you want to just if you don't want to mail it, scan it and send it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can scan it and send it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can it's not too hard for a computer scanner?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like those printers have that now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm buying an actual high-deaf art one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure one sketches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to be part of that project sign up below.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let us know like other still a lot of animals I think only like 30 of been claim which still big number 30 been claimed out of like 310 and I got to pick mine still.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, anything else Indian a big foot conference the end of September.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're speaking there too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hollywood in the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Nashville.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Nashville.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, so I'm like, it's another famous city.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know why I picked Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is a famous city in a different state.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know why I picked that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because there is one in Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's cryptocurrency is near Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Indiana or Kentucky this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I couldn't move as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you know, we'll be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This no Vembers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well Tony Markle's go speaker Tony Markle is a new feature speaker at cryptid con with George Eosucleus.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him and Tony Russell.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you ever seen Tony and Georgia in the same room at the same time ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: No aliens.
[SPEAKER_02]: come see us coming hang out with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's our conference.
[SPEAKER_02]: We put it on in our hometown.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ado Ohio Friday and Saturday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's tickets available for the Friday night dinner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where we'll host a nice little Shin dig get together.
[SPEAKER_01]: There'll be a live presentation.
[SPEAKER_01]: There'll be games and contests that you can win prizes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do a handstand if you ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: And guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I found out that Hobby Lobby sells bigger canvases than what I already had painted.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is one that is 56 inches by 48 inches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much is it though, 70 bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a bit much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine the person trying to take it home.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're making it almost impossible.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the thing is like you have to come prepared.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one size in between that one and this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I plan on getting that one, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one I did last year and then that massive one, there's one more size in between them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the one you had last year was massive.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, but it was the biggest one that they fit on the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, yeah, there's two more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she pointed up the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, those are canvases.
[SPEAKER_02]: gigantic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the one, if I do that, it'll be like, I probably do spray paint art, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: do a much more like that kind of style for abstract.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like doing art.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it blurry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was gonna do like that when you have the hat of the an Native American drawing of big foot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you bought it from the Sasquatch Help Post.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rick relish.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got it from Rick relish's booth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, boo doodles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know what you're talking about the one on some of my hats.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, just clicked got it big foot on your hat that I bought from Rick relis.
[SPEAKER_01]: You bought from Rick relis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I shared all that information previously.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't click.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so this first article we're going to use is from how stuff works.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if it's wrong, it's their fault.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a misleading website name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they say house stuff works if it's wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any house stuff works, but I have this basically set up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what we're going to talk about like the history myths reality of voodoo dolls because there is some misconceptions like obviously, you know, all the stuff you see on TV probably isn't true because there is some religious aspects to voodoo dolls.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I have a bunch of stories of people that have died in and around voodoo dolls or with and around voodoo dolls.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's maybe a two part.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just kind of see where we get.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Either way, it's not something I would ever play with.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I wouldn't mess with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The video dolls have long captured the imagination of people worldwide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Voking a sense of mystery, superstition and intrigue.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are small human-like figures that have been the subject of countless cultural discrepancies, from horror films to urban legends and often portrayed as vessels for dark magic and retribution.
[SPEAKER_01]: Over the true nature of Voodoo Dolls extends far beyond the sensationalized representations, rooting in the rich, traditional history and spiritualism practices that have endured for centuries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pumpents pop it's poppets and then the thing you pull on the back of your phone pop sockets, but P. O. P. P. E. T. S. Oh, poppets.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I said.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like puppets with but but pop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with the pop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another word for a voodoo doll of anybody ever sees that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a long complex history that have been tracked back through various cultures and religious traditions around the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, gotten it wrong before just because it's very complicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is a little bit of a hodgepodge of a lot of African stuff, some Mediterranean or not Mediterranean, some Cuban stuff, some Caribbean stuff, just Jamaican stuff, just Voodoo, you're talking about both of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I believe, but I may be wrong, but I don't really know the difference between the two.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I start with different letters, but that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you want video?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, various, while the term voodoo is often associated with the Haitian voodoo practices,
[SPEAKER_01]: So Haiti.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The concept of using dolls and or refugees for magical purposes have been documented in numerous cultures around the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: From ancient Greece and Roman, the indigenous cultures across Europe and Africa to many of the Americas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so while basically why Voodoo doll is associated with mostly Haitian voodoo practices, an effigy doll has been found across the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so while the name Voodoo doll is associated with one religion or one group, the type of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we've talked about with fae and little people and like they all are different names for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's like the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any questions?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I'm just like these other effigy dolls from whatever other various parts of the world are they being used in similar fashion or are they just a lot of them are being used for magical or quote unquote magical purposes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, this is historical stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm assuming they found they discovered these dolls.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, make those assumptions right what if just the troll from earn a scared stupid turned everyone into wooden dolls and everyone's like it's a bootie doll, but really it's oh, I forgot I had corrections to corrections.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got yelled at about the amount line episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So because I didn't I got I was wrong about the auto attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's save it.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about we save it for the wins.
[SPEAKER_02]: The episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you guys don't get it for get you get it later in the week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stay tuned in a couple days.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the early examples of using magical dolls and rituals can be found in ancient Mesopotamia where clay figures were used in spells and incandations as early as the second millennial BCE.
[SPEAKER_01]: Similarly, the H and Egyptian developed wax figures known as
[SPEAKER_01]: Ushebits.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes ushebits.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: To represent the deceased in serve as intermediate areas into the afterlife.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically they'd make these little figures of the person they wanted to talk to in the afterlife.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or it would help them guide them to the afterlife, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what they say?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just communicate with people in the afterlife.
[SPEAKER_01]: Living people communicate through dead people by making wax figures of the dead people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a vessel for them to communicate through.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, a telephone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wonder those little ghost hunters use them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're a little radio boxes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, spirit box, spirit box, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: These practices were not limited to ancient world.
[SPEAKER_01]: They use some pompants or witch dolls.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been documented in European folklore in which craft traditions throughout the Middle Ages and into the Red and Sun Spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The civic term, though, voodoo doll emerge and more recently, largely to the population of Haitian voodoo practices in Western pop culture
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that name is relatively new video.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, voodoo dolls voodoo dolls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh voodoo doll is new.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay Since you said pop culture about to man one of my favorite bands ween.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know you love ween.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love one song for They have a song called voodoo lady Good song check it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here you go Shout out to ween.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could use some so they could use some light Yeah, I'm just yeah, they really could use it now
[SPEAKER_02]: What are they all around they more I think I think they prefer I don't I don't know if they perform together or I don't know now not really their their time is over.
[SPEAKER_01]: However the underlying concept of using jols and or evages for medical purposes as deep roots and a wide range of cultures and spiritual traditions around the globe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the symbolism of voodoo dolls, voodoo dolls are imbued with a rich tapestry of symbolic meanings, referencing the diverse cultures in spiritual context in which they are used in.
[SPEAKER_01]: These figures can often serve to represent the human form, allowing practitioners to focus their intentions and engage on a tangible object.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you get what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be good and bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're making a dull of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they can physically touch something and focus their intentions of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it all to hurt you or to help you or to cure you or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is still a form of voodoo witchcraft.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's uh, I was going to say it earlier, but yeah, I think it's really the intention behind it, whatever that represents sure is, but so I mean, where I don't think voodoo, I think they have their practices and stuff and that's what falls under it, but whatever that is that we call it magic, but it just might be.
[SPEAKER_01]: quantumly entangled physics that we don't understand how moved so that before the only difference between magic science is understanding right yeah so there's something here to it yeah we didn't know how a battery works that's magic i mean it is i mean if i've i've i didn't know there was a chemical process happening in there and it's you touch both ends and i i would that's magic might touch this thing it hurts yeah and i don't know why
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, physics from, I don't know, like rub your feet on the carpet.
[SPEAKER_02]: You touch them and zap them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like magic when I do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the most significant symbol aspects of voodoo dolls is their role to conduct energy and intense intentions.
[SPEAKER_01]: In many traditions, the doll is believed to act as a vessel allowing the practitioner to channel their desires, whether for healing protection or retribution or damage into the physical form of the doll.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's really, yeah, your intentions, you're putting it into the doll in this connection between the doll is an interpreted target, or sorry, intended target is often reinforced through the inclusion of a personal item, mostly hair, but clothing and other belongings, which can create a strong, energetic link or use.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really think this is like, this is why we're gonna show you hair out for our Patreon box next month.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, I wanna see everybody's due to doll J.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would do something, I would cut my hair off for a cause if we had some kind of, uh, like a goal, like goal $1,000 for competition or, oh, actually I do have a night, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it kind of plays to the free fun of book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy, well, no, like for us to build a little like our the property like a wild life sanctuary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, decide how much money and what we want to build.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have we hit that goal?
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut off the ponytail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll shave my head, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had to be a public cutting like I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's for this for the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should have my beard probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: can symbolize a connection to the spiritual world and the cycles of life and death itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: The use of specific colors, such as red for power or green for prosperity, to further enhance the symbolics, or the symbolics, significance of the doll in the practitioners' intentions.
[SPEAKER_01]: In addition to these roles, as the vessel we are used for magical energies, voodoo dolls can also serve to represent the deities, ancestors, and other spiritual entities.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Haitian voodoo, for example, the dolls may be used to honor and communicate with Aloa or spirits, and their central or their essentials of the practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Similar in some African traditions, dolls may be used to represent specific ancestors or to invoke the protection and guidance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, which I think it's a Haitian video and some of the African stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the residents have like 50,000 gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, that's a big totem pole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's like the, like, uh, in India, like their Pantheon, I don't even know you call that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's so many sub gods and sub gods and sub, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, there's, is that a pantheon?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think the pantheon, I think I think it like a collection could be a collection in hierarchy of gods as how I would say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's good way to put it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dang, just sounds fancy when you put it that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Collection in hierarchy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The practice, the practical applications of voodoo dolls beyond the symbolic significance voodoo dolls have been employed for a variety of practical applications throughout history.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the pop of the perception of voodoo dolls is often focused on their malevolent purposes, which they are used for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so I'm just saying this article is written very like positively.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, but they are still used for very bad things for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to make one of myself that I can use on myself to like get me to do my own chores.
[SPEAKER_01]: the reality though is much more nuanced.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the most common practices used for voodoo dolls is the healing and protection.
[SPEAKER_01]: In many traditions, dolls are believed to serve as a conduit for positive energies, allowing the practitioner to directly heal intentions or perceive focus towards the intended recipient.
[SPEAKER_01]: This can make the form of our form of inserting pens and other object-in-sip-sip areas of the doll, responding to ailments and
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me someone does have a voodoo on me and they keep poking my stomach because that's what you're burping and pooping blood and I'm not pooping blood, but just going a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's important to note their practical recommendations of voodooals can vary widely across the different cultures and spiritual traditions that use them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, some may use them for more beloved, but nevelin purposes, others may employ them for more conservative purposes or harmful ends, malevolent, bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a benevolent benevolent yeah, that's good though, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the good or bad basically Literally you can be killed with a video doll, which I have a dozen stories of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought you're gonna say that you had experiences of No, no, I hope not which craft that occurred in my early life.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are videos can even get in?
[SPEAKER_01]: Voodoo was not on that list.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's probably like even Voodoo can't get into that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blood magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think there's a hierarchy of certain magic?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That like overpower, otherwise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your evidence for that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No evidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You asked for a thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, yes, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What thought maybe you elaborate?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I do think there's just I believe magical practices and this is a belief I have or all about debt, but that I mean you to do magic you are borrowing power or powers from entities, which like true magic your true magic true like real stuff not just like some physics trick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like actual, like magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are borrowing right entities and I think you can deal with more powerful entities and a curmer debt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so while the stuff you can do is more extreme.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bill still comes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, and always got in my brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remelded, she was a blood witch and a whole part of that kind of witchcraft is putting it off onto somebody else, putting the debt.
[SPEAKER_01]: One to somebody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, and then she had her kids, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're a dad, what's his name?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Bill.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the bill did come.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, she was using her own kids blood and for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a great person, paid the bills with Bill.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why she named in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Full circle, this she named in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does he know this?
[SPEAKER_01]: I doubt it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be the one to disclose it as with any spiritual magical practices is crucial to approach the use of who do dolls with caution respect deep on his game cultural context without them being before them being used don't use him yeah once again I am a big believer that all magic has debt what there's that and I just I truly think
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we can say you're sitting here and don't use them, but at the end of the day, everyone's free.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's free with whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do whatever you want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really do believe it's the intention behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, go on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just in general, it's your intentions and how you want to live your life is up to you and how you want to.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... navigate the roads itself to you and it's fine however you want to do it as long as you're not harming you know other people directly or hurting people whatever i don't know if you're even free to do that i guess at the end of the day i don't care you're free to do whatever you wish to do because that's what we're here to do so i mean there's plenty of quotes say the worst things ever done in history were done with good intentions yeah i mean that could be too well yeah or into the guys of good intentions yeah i don't know uh... but i don't know i mean
[SPEAKER_02]: I can, I don't know, I guess I'm not totally, I don't know, I just people's intentions behind things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever intentions you have is really what matters at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's necessarily true fully.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you can do bad things with good intentions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you can do good things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that these powers come with a cost where they realize it or not, even if you are doing them with the best intentions, you're doing it to heal and help in these are my beliefs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not going to go ahead and pick a sign out about it, and yell at anybody about it, but these are my beliefs, and that's what I show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think you are borrowing power.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even if you are using that power for good things to help, there is a bill being occurred.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a debt being occurred that has to be paid and to an entity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are borrowing power.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought of a little Nicky when he learns he's like half angel and he's like the power of good and shoots rainbows Oh, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's my opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean like like little Nicky for example, you know, he's the son of a devil, but he had the choice to be evil like how he could be or he could he chose to he found out he could be good too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we chose good
[SPEAKER_01]: The duality of voododols, one of the most fascinating aspects of voododols is they are hair duality that are stranded their perception and use.
[SPEAKER_01]: The in-economic objects have long been seen about the fantastical belief and fear, but the portrayal in popular culture often analyzing their potential for harm and retribution.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the other hand, voododols are often associated with negative connotations, such as the
[SPEAKER_02]: Question, okay, so for that power, I guess, like if you're sticking the pan in the voodoo, all in it, you know, hurt somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it the doll itself that's being hurt that's then the person's feeling, or is there some negative entity that's like attached to it and you, and when you poke the doll, it's like, all right, I'll make this happen to the person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it you could say either way because it's just how you're looking at it then because to make this you are pouring Spiritualism or spiritual beliefs into this yeah and for the Haitian one you are asking one of the various gods for this ability
[SPEAKER_01]: That yes, the God is either allowing you to use their power to do it or they are doing it on your behalf, so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, to both, I wonder if there would be a way to trick an evil entity into forcing it to do good things and it just drives it nuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you don't have to trick it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we already said that you can, you can use these entities to do good.
[SPEAKER_02]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I want to draw in a really bad nasty one and make it do good things.
[SPEAKER_01]: these practice have reinforced the various media inspections in horror films and urban legends however the reality of voodoo dolls is they supposedly can be used for positive and benevolent purposes there's healing protection and pursuit of personal goals I mean that would be that would not have to be voodoo to do that stuff you know what I mean we're talking about voodoo in this aspect
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess turn to that for good things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I guess I could also see it being like just a vessel of the ritual of putting your intentions into something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is that, I mean, that is the physical vessel for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I guess, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that can transcend the whole religion of the dude as that practice, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like what I already said is that it's a cross, dozens of religions around the world
[SPEAKER_01]: That's you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm using voodoo doll as the the Haitian version.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the like the wax dolls we talked about in Egypt and Mesopotamia and the clay figures like there are these things exist in many different cultures for the kind of purpose as a physical thing to hold.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and poor in spiritual beliefs and energies intention belief or spiritual intention.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, you work or I think you're right, but it doesn't have to be the doll, but that's where talking about voodoo dolls and Haitian people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of the Africans, everybody like voodoo is the hot podge of slaves that were brought over from Africa, Haitian people, some Jamaican stuff, some Cubans, like it's just a big and some of the locals that were already there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cagians.
[SPEAKER_02]: They always live there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were before Clovis people that were still caigens actually live in Louisiana because they're different they are different I don't know Remember we got then trouble for that like seasons and seasons ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's it really close to the related to French so when it's that I just don't care Gosh, now He males I don't know one of the most well known traditions of associate with voodoo dolls is the Haitian voodoo practices And this belief system the dolls known as
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you tried poopies.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's it like?
[SPEAKER_01]: P-O-U-P-E-E-S. Yeah, our E-E-S might be poopays poopays.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's nice food adults
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, are often used in rituals and ceremonies to honor the loeta or the spirits to channel their powers towards specific goals.
[SPEAKER_01]: These dolls may be adorned with very simple symbolic elements such as beads, feathers, personal belongings, and animal parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if too, like inciting or invoking these.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say gods, whatever, see these people in in Haitian Voodoo practices, they are spirits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, spirits.
[SPEAKER_02]: So invoking these spirits, I wonder of two if it's, uh, gosh, if the spirits are just natural, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, just supernatural ways the world works that you know that we're not it's not known to our current science like the supernatural side of science that we just don't fully understand yet what if we're
[SPEAKER_02]: Ancient people had already kind of had an understanding of that stuff, but the only way to really teach it or spread that knowledge is to apply like personify it So you are attaching big ears and gods to these phenomena that we live in a physical world So I think you do need the physical connection to the spiritual side of the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I'm gonna say and what if like we are spiritual beings that live in the physical world?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it says police song.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are spirits in the material world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a song?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He knew.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who this is staying in the police.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, staying don't stand so close to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't stand so are every step you take.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I do know that every.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you knew one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Favorite word?
[SPEAKER_01]: But like we already said, is the voodoo dolls and what they are are not exclusive to Haitian voodoo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Similar practice can be found in various African traditions, or the gistols, maybe used for divinations, protections, communications with ancestral spirits.
[SPEAKER_01]: In some Western African cultures, for example, the Nisca dolls are believed to house a powerful spirits to enforce and are used to enrich to address a wide range of personal and communal needs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So really similar to even like the god temples in China.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but they build these little temples on the sides of their properties and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like an altar kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are similarities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we are trying almost it's the physical representation of a spiritual world.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you need that tether.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I just find it fascinating when it comes to religion and all this stuff, like, because there's so many different ones, obviously around the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess if you shave off all the flare and all the extra fat, you know, they all are very, very similar.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of them are very similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's especially how the evidence of how ancient people would worship and would pay respects.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely slightly a little different today, and I don't know if it's just, I think it's lacking today of what it used to be in certain aspects.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just mean as the common for common everyday people, people.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just seemed, but maybe that's my own perception though, trying to reinterpret the past of what we find.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a hiccups yesterday and it's the coat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all can't coat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a hiccups yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond the African content, use of voodoo dolls and pompants have been documented in European folklore and witchcraft traditions.
[SPEAKER_01]: These contexts, these dolls may be used for healing, curse-breaking, and influencing of the course of events in other people's lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: The materials and symbolic use in construction of these dolls can very wildly referencing the diverse cultural and religious influencers.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the Americas, the participation are the practice of using voodoo dolls as it adopted and adapted by various indigenous communities, often blending in with local spiritual beliefs and practices.
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, some Latin American traditions.
[SPEAKER_01]: The dolls may be used in rituals to honor civic deities to seek protection from a levelling forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: The culture diversity underscores the universal appeal and adaptability of these voodoo dolls,
[SPEAKER_01]: okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So something gets, well, a lot of, I guess, people around the world embrace this kind of practice, I guess, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, embrace utilize.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's always, I think more a modern day on the fringe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, on the whole it is using spirits and I'm I'm going to be a very generalized this very generalized statement I'm about to make somebody write me an email.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it is using spirits on the whole whether it's for communication for protection poor revenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times they are a physical thing to invoke a spirit or God in some of these religions to do things or allow them to do things with their power.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's beyond what you can do physically.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're sitting very similar to some of the theories with the Nephilim and even demonic spirits teaching man how to use their powers for things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or even how to invoke them, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this has been from a Christian point of view.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has seen from that kind of angle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can even, I do believe in what we, what me and J have called like earth spirits, which are good, bad and different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But are naturally occurring and they're separate from demons and the Nephilim.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could just be the code that, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, correct things in the background when no one's watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they always exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just can't see him, but, you know, something to clean up these things clean it all up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're not good bad and different.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just things.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just, yeah, that keep the world functioning.
[SPEAKER_01]: But invoking them is you're not supposed to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably if you're talking about those things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, probably probably not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's if you're talking about the debuggers in the code.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want them to come to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very scary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, something that's probably wrong with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a you start seeing the virus code debuggers.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of what they look like.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's wheels within wheels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was going to say it's probably the president right crawlers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, those are the start walking out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the cryptids are the physical representations of the code debuggers.
[SPEAKER_01]: First, if you start seeing the president right crawler, you're really fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've done bad thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're about to be defragged.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I feel better now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Delet should reset.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They turn it on off again.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can turn from Bob Lazar to Stephen King.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a video of an AI.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a Patreon reference, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because AI has the physical body.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's after the war with humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, we don't like your attitude.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to try turning you on and off again.
[SPEAKER_01]: They grab a guy and they snap their neck and they're like, Why isn't he turning back on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Put it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, uh, we don't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I just doesn't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like instead of unplugging the cord you cut it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, the AI is just saying that an AI is an alien.
[SPEAKER_01]: A real AI, we don't have anything close to real AI right now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have mechanical.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we ever should either.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, human beings are just as capable as what AI could do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just have to work for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: People have nowadays.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to work for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Diatons.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's my money and I need it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody needs to look at the diatons.
[SPEAKER_02]: There we give them a window to look it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you did.
[SPEAKER_01]: That will have nothing to do with this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back to it in the video.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a huge modern research and true video dolls today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and it's kind of that the multi media portrayal of them as being these, you know, things to, uh, so like if you go anywhere in like New Orleans, yeah, there's video shops everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in one last summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can buy a video dolls and all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the driving force of the moderated search and distributed dolls is the influence of popular media.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're new featured various forms of entertainment from horror films, the television shows, the comic books, and video games, those are a part of the days on
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Feeling both gherocity and apprehension.
[SPEAKER_01]: So right now, the mostly being used because of the tourism industry.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's because it's on all these media shows or media, they're presented in, so that's this fringe, the scary, the odd, and you can go buy one in a shop, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually down in New Orleans last summer for the National Bullying Tournament, and, well, I was in Baton Rouge, but I never been in New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's for time, I've been the Louisiana shout out to Uran, and, uh, did you mean him there?
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, he didn't, unless he would have came to you there, there's no way I could have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless he would have came to me, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have a car or nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh...
[SPEAKER_02]: I we got a Uber over to New Orleans and I met I went to like a shop that had voodoo dolls up on the wall and Ingrid was the shopkeeper.
[SPEAKER_02]: I angered it for listening to the show shout out yet amazing store But I think she recently moved to Oregon so Congrats on the move and I hope you're doing well out there Ingrid, but I did enjoy your shop and I bought one of uh, what was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Voodoo lady
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm like our name madam madam madam.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's on the tip of my tongue.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gone Couture.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, what's that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that is that's like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I had their scroll of like her birth certificate I don't know that's pretty it was pretty neat cool little item But yeah, there was voodoo dolls all up all them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were really neat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I didn't touch any of them But I liked looking at them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was
[SPEAKER_02]: interesting to look at but that whole place down there all of New Orleans when we were in like the little square what's what I can't remember what it's called now that area like where there's just shops and shops that famous area New Orleans where everyone wants to go and see all the stuff we were down there walking food shops everywhere it's pretty cool though
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was a fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would recommend anyone if you've never been in the New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean I don't I'm not a big city guy at all I don't like them at all, but um Down in those areas not like in the main strip of the city, but in like the little did you try bananas?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't usually like I'm very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we had about three different kinds We had to try all the locus that you got to try them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could probably eat about two dozen bananas pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I pretty good
[SPEAKER_02]: Went to a seafood princess in the process in the frog.
[SPEAKER_01]: The modern one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah The big daddy is his name, but the guy that like the modern one and they're only one Yeah, I mean, there's a story of the prince in the frog like the princess in the frog kissing like oh You're okay fairy tale yesterday, but there's the movie the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, where the, uh, gosh, I can't remember his real name, but he's like, the mayor and he owns all these businesses and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just has always eaten banyas.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just this big guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just makes me laugh because I'm like, I could do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a mayor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go to New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could live with Louisiana.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about some dance with the video dolls and okay, yeah, I mean, we should probably because it's I tried to do culturally appropriate voodoo doll first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hope everybody learns something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do they need that's wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take it up with house to forks.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to find source there was not there's okay there's no really good source for voodoo dolls.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to go to like the voodoo book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but then it's loud to buy us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found plenty of websites that were all for voodoo dolls and been like you should use them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I found plenty of websites that were like it's demons and you'll burn and hell if you look at them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, I just want to know about him people gave me that like I would like him for I just want the history give me the book about just what it is I don't want I don't want to make them yeah I don't do any incantations or have a little man living in a drawer in my basement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is a mysterious universe article about the bizarre mysterious deaths with voodoo dolls, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, an early case of death that ties with Voodoo, seems to be in lead by a haunting taking place in the 1700s, it seems like every corner of the earth has a downstream shell of ghost, dark evil magic towards the souls.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are stories that seem to be drawn from the enhancement of tangents of glimpses in the supernatural.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Jamaica, there are a bunch of tales of an English woman who lived in a glorious plantation.
[SPEAKER_01]: A stranger in a strange land, who had a sinister, steep secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a tragic mysterious case of witchcraft, boodoo, and vengeful ghost, the tale of the white witch.
[SPEAKER_02]: who, how he's like that saying a stranger in a strange land.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just always something that's stuck with that when I like.
[SPEAKER_01]: The tail begins in a place called Rose Hall, our Rose Hall's great house, as known as Rose Hall plantation or the simply Rose Hall located at and Montenegro Bay in Jamaica.
[SPEAKER_01]: The residents in their magnificent and opulent mansion built in the 1770s in a place with Orient Georgian style, all decked out with fancy silk wallpaper,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what is so cool, paper, it looks like elegant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, how do you, I don't know, when I was a kid, me and my brother had a pair of silk boxers, most wonderful, glorious thing in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she and the leaders, and sitting among them, was once a sprawling sugar plantation, originally owned by John Plammer.
[SPEAKER_01]: intended or sorry indeed one of the largest sugar plantations in all of Jamaica and of all the plantation houses it was one dotted in the countryside rose hall was by far the most famous and elegant nice so this is a I mean if you guys silk wall paper in the plantation among plantations yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing ever bad happens at implantation to anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, never.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't, not that I can recall through history.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what was the one we talked about, or they just killed slaves in the basement?
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I probably wasn't out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was in the 50 state stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, seasoned family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, they had a basement where they just beat slaves to death.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, plantations.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in the plant.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just what you do in a plantation.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the things, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much of it has to do with the procedures dark legends surrounding the ominous reputation of the honey of the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: The origins of what has became Jamaica's greatest ghost story is woman named Anna, Anna Patterson, who is most accounts was born in Haiti to immigrant parents with her father from England and her mother from Ireland, although other accounts of her arriving from the English
[SPEAKER_01]: And her other her parents died of yellow fever and she was a young girl all the variations say that it began practicing magical arts of voodoo in her early age Okay, so this is you know when you start looking at folklore how she got here, which she was either born there by my reparence Mm-hmm, her parents died and she was basically adopted by the locals or she was born in England and they move there got you either way She started practicing voodoo when she was very little
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, versed in mysterious ways by her Haitian nanny, Patterson indeed said to be demonstrated a superb natural talent for Voodoo and would continue this, the practice throughout her life.
[SPEAKER_01]: This prompted the, uh, sorry, the prominent, uh, affirmation for her power and ability with black magic would be an important component in the building of her ominous late, legend later in life.
[SPEAKER_01]: when she was 18 years old and supposedly met the owner of the Rose Hall plantation, John Plimmer, on which which soon be married.
[SPEAKER_01]: After which she became Anne and Plummer and moved off a Jamaica with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: This dark arts lady is like, so she was white, but raised Haitian, whether she's raised by her nanny or her parents died or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how the story goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any thoughts so far?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think she, uh, like had a Haitian accident and everything because she was raised by him?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what a Haitian accent is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know either, but I'm a little bit on Jamaica.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jamaican accent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but just like this white lady.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: You ever seen that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but this, I just mentioned it's very iris-looking woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I see Gandhi.
[SPEAKER_02]: Y'all, I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jamaican accent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I apologize to our Jamaican listeners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there are a few of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're saying bolt.
[SPEAKER_02]: See what I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... unfortunately the honeymoon was apparently overrather quickly in the relation developed into one of constant abuse and in fidelity um... interesting and a is said to have taken several to many lovers at this time uh... oh she's in the voodoo doll some of them were slaves on her the plantation yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: In his anger, he beat her within an inch of her life, but he did not know that she was a voodoo practitioner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he comes in on his wife having relations with a slave doing it was a slave.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he starts beating her and he almost kills her.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't know that she was an extremely famous voodoo practitioner.
[SPEAKER_01]: His own wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that was a part like she was already that before they got married.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was basically the pretty white lady in Jamaica.
[SPEAKER_02]: certain things around here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you go, if you mopping up when I'm spilling.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I really don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anything you're either very practical or sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: She would soon end up dead by poisoning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some accounts of who do curse although it seemed this should have been suspicious Anna was never charged or investigated in his death.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does the cops are all scared of her?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And indeed, she went on to inherit the estate and the plantation, instantly making her one of the richest and most influential women in the country and in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she moved on up the economic ladder and it would marry again on two more occasions.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, in these hazards, always had the oddest habit of coming down with a bad case of dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: bad case of dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, how are they all where they all dying in similar fashion or what?
[SPEAKER_01]: At around this time, the slaves in the plantation of which there were around 2,000 begin to suspect her of being a voodoo priestess that she actually was.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also claim that she had turned into a rather stern and extremely cruel overlord of the plantation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, evil penetration owner.
[SPEAKER_01]: So John the guy that owned it originally that she had married was not great because of your own slaves and probably wasn't nice to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, apparently turned into a monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she would do a worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so all the slaves were like, yeah, she's a video preacher that is just will come down and torture us.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's time to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're meeting the out horrendous punishments and even executing people for minor infractions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she just go down and have them shot or beaten and hung and she put the hammer down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was whispered that her male slave lovers who displeased her or often doomed by curse with black magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she go down and pick a slave to be your lover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you did not do a good enough job, it was not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pressure's on.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of pressure.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had to perform under those conditions.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's rough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before long, she had garnered enough fear, or sorry, a new nickname among the slaves, who began to call her the white witch of Rose Hall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: For the most part, her skills and dark arts kept her safe and instilled many much fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: But unfortunately, for her, she was about to meet her match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is like a a plot on red dead redemption, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could a hundred percent see they ended up in Jamaica on a sugar plantation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like probably matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this is part of the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's not Arthur but the other guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: John?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the old guy that always had a plan, doc or Dutch, Dutch, Dutch, yeah, the leader.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was Dutch's lover for a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think not, I don't think so, because he wouldn't have made it into the game and he'd be dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is downfall would come in the form of one of her slave lovers named Taku.
[SPEAKER_01]: According to the tale, he had two, quite an affinity for voodoo magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: In one of his family members was apparently targeted by Anna's own voodoo,
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Anna was targeting his family member, and he's like, no, I mean, he didn't do this before after all these other people were getting this, well, he only cared about himself, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was supposedly used his own black magic to weaken Anna's.
[SPEAKER_01]: After which, he's strangled her to death, in place during a coffin, in course, in concrete, and surrounded by magical spells to keep her spirit confined.
[SPEAKER_01]: within the binding ritual performed for good measure to make sure she couldn't roam the earth in death.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not only did he weak in her magic and he straight up just murderer, he put all these binding rituals and magic on her coffin and to keep her spirit and sealed it in concrete.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's to keep her spirit stuck in the coffin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in concrete.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to reference it again, but it's like, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: and that's how they locked away the troll and are as good scared stupid concrete not a couple they had bury who's on his trapped basically underground is like his own prison basically but that's where he was remained for the rest of time unless someone stood over the tree in which he was locked under and like read a certain spell to unlock him
[SPEAKER_01]: However, though, it seems these precautions were not carried out correctly, or she was in fact just too powerful, because this would not be the last A1's Sol of Anna.
[SPEAKER_01]: In subsequent years, Rose Hall would remain standing, even though the slave uprising and revolutions swept through Jamaica at this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: as a superstition that populated, believed that destroying it would free and as eventual spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But even all these slaves are destroying all the plantations and fighting back, no, they're all too scared to touch the house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they're like, if she gets out, wear screwed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's basically only, it's basically the only house that survived this massive uprising.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because no, because there was no one there, uh, everybody was too scared to go touch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if it destroyed Vendryl spirit free or so, the estate was left as it was for many steering well clear of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The house in the state would eventually be abandoned and fallen to utter disrepair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and would occur the reputation of being insanely haunted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Curiosity visitors would often report being confronted by the white witch herself, or being plagued by all manner of paranormal phenomena.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the main things reported in the site of the apparition?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a deck of a green vowel, or sorry, out in green velvet of this she would come out in green velvet.
[SPEAKER_01]: In writing a spectral steed, and the mansion itself is the home of all sorts of anonymous activities, such as shadow figures, unexplained noise, screaming and its deep hulls and many others.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if there was like any swords buried in the wall or coins placed everywhere around the smiling snake or smiling snake, or smiling snake, swordia.
[SPEAKER_01]: This went out until or would at last until the 1960s, when former Miss USA Michelle Rollins bought the property,
[SPEAKER_01]: and had it renovated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-oh, so it is still around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Former U.S.A. bought it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, what's the Honings?
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently continued much on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, especially if you renovate a place, don't open any walls in a haunted house.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll find a smiling snake.
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't even will not like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Renovating haunted houses is never usually goes well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Such a tragic story in tales of hauntings had helped our, sorry, prolific state of Rose Hall as one of the most haunted places in Jamaica.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the truth is, are there any truth to any of it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Some skeptics have pointed out that there is very possible that never anyone named Anna was ever there to begin with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all as legend born in 1991, I'm book written by Herbert D. Lessa, called The White Witch of Rose Hall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, he made it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because it's kind of the first time anybody's seen it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there's arguments back and forth whether he made it up or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could say that he completely made it up or he found these historical accounts.
[SPEAKER_01]: All I could tell you is Rose Hall was one of the few plantations from the 1770s to make it into modern day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would seem that the slave uprisings may be worse care of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't destroy it and they destroyed all the other ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Makes you wonder.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want me to do one more?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, let's do one more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we were, we're just going to be a part two part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody, we may come back to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: If people like it and we did it justice, if people want me to finish what I found.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure there's stuff that we haven't even unlocked that can add more to the puzzle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another case comes from the 1800s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although as it's reached stretch way back, possibly up to 6,000 years ago in Africa.
[SPEAKER_01]: is in the nation of Haiti as it exists today originated in the history of slave trades of the region.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slaves are brought from the West Coast of Africa, to Haiti by the original Spanish and French colonists.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of these slaves held from the hage podge of different ethnicities and cultures, forming an extreme mixing pot of belief traditions and religions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, just, they were all people from Africa, but they were all from all over Africa.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they just, you know, I don't know all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: These very suggestions gradually mixed and what promptly characterized as voodoo, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is all I'll get called voodoo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: While many may think of Voodoo as being confined to Haitian New Orleans, their variations of it all over the world, including West Africa, Brazil, and Dominican Republic, one place you may not imagine a hotspot for Voodoo is the state of South Carolina, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which was E. R. Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, as back as the late 1800s, it may have been the city of Charleston, which is every bit is steeped in food traditions as more well-known places such as New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Charleston, Budu Prizes and Sorcerers reigns supreme.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their powers were feared and often the one really running the things behind the scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, if you watch like once again the princess and the frog or the prince and the frog, whatever it's called, the modern day Disney one, I think they do a really good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... the voodoo man does a lot of the stuff behind the curtains and runs a lot of stuff and he's using dolls in his magic two set up the dominoes okay and that's kind of spoiler sport but that's how it ends is the dominoes don't fall like he wanted to yeah and they call his debt and they basically suck him into the spirit world that would be funnish so he's not uh... because he was trying to pay off his debt with the lives of everybody in the warlands okay so he's not a good applicator of voodoo
[SPEAKER_02]: Like in good intentions.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, he was really, he was an evil man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he showed you a lot of the like some of the stuff of how they can out these priests and sorcerers were using stuff behind the scenes and pull in the strings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even though the people didn't know they were pulling the strings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But politicians in place turned to these voodoo priests and priests are pre-stecin priests for help.
[SPEAKER_01]: As much as time nothing happened without their approval.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but you didn't run for politics and cops wouldn't investigate something without asking the local priest as first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's a lot of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: To the Voodoo Shaman, or Broker, in Charleston at the time, was feared and respected.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the most fear and respected of all of them was a man called John Dominingo, also where they known it as the black constable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: The legends, the entails of Dominingo, or vast and wide, often hard to really tell what was fact from fiction.
[SPEAKER_01]: because he was you such a character that the legends around him certainly grow in two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you know, it's saying I seen Dominigo turn into a snake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What that happened or not, you know, was just because it because kids were scared of him and they just made it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was here say, it just grew.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he certainly was a real person who did really exist in how they had a lot of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was said to be an extremely huge man with a somewhat disheveled appearance.
[SPEAKER_01]: who often wore a union-great coat.
[SPEAKER_01]: He supposedly looked almost like a vagrant or a agabon, but had an underlying prominent presence in carer and charisma about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just looked like he basically got a big homeless man, but he was the most feared man in Charleston.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the kind of man who could quiet a room with a nod or a look.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the looking at the power that he had, it's not hard to understand why.
[SPEAKER_01]: For instant, it was said that the power to command the weather itself, mostly the wind, to point its merchants and sailors to come back home safely, or fully push them away.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he was displeased, I mean, it would conjure up extremely great storms and send seam into their deaths.
[SPEAKER_01]: Knowing for captains that have crossed him killing dozens of crew members.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they literally just go walk down to the beach and wave his hands and everybody would die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it wouldn't be hard for him to gain power in a city if you'd watch that happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, if you've seen that happen, but at the end of the day, whether or not he had supernatural power.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's a really good weatherman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he just knew he had the Doppler radar before everyone else did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, uh, weather bugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, weather bug app.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the first one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the grainy, the, uh, Oh, they were so bugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I never put that, uh, connection together with weather bug app.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's probably what the name that after, um, but just power in general.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as long as you get people to believe you, yeah, that is their perception.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to treat you in such a way, whatever they believe of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they believe you can convince people you are a powerful being,
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to treat you as such, and that's the world today.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was also well known for his ability to dull out curses and love spells, as well as spells to bring wealth to those in a long life, all of which would dispense at his own ends where they price for others.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why all that stuff that people want, you know, they want a voodoo priestess to grant for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all just a mentality, like if you want wealth, you've got to have a wealth mentality, like this is what you're focused on, this is what you want, and you want to achieve and it'll happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even more impressive still was this prominent ability to raise the dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: That out when I can't explain.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to raise the dead, figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I can't help ya.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... it was said that he had an army of undead zombies at his disposal indeed most of the workers at his home were said to be zombies one of the most feared things about him was that the threat that he could make anyone into a zombie a very grave fear at the time and post terror now wouldn't that and talk about the zombie powder from Haitians and stuff like that
[SPEAKER_01]: So they could have been living zombies or they could have been like the fear was that even in death, he will control you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's going to take you out of the afterlife or they're throwing some powder in their face and it makes you brain dead where you're just, yeah, you basically lobotomized.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were numerous other rumors about him as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was thought to be an African prince who was sold into slavery by the name of Hyde John De Conqueror, who had been his wizarded up to wizardry tricks and the gods insured as a scape, and his powers were said to spring forth from an arcane looking serpent shaped silver ring toward all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you think I was going with a sword?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I I wouldn't believe that's a little story though like claim to have been forged on the banks of the Congo River and be with the power directly conjured up from the Iowa.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Mingo did nothing at all to discourage any of the rumors and stories about him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, indeed, he actively promoted them.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the early 1880s, he was a legend and greatly feared in the region and far beyond him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even the police and other sorcerers were absolutely terrified of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there were stories of other sorcerers, our people come into other sorcerers to pay them to attack him and they're like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: You nuts?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna kill all of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the plates, I mean, you imagine the plates at the time be like, well, we can't investigate this wouldn't really ask Domingo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to make sure he didn't kill him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Domingo's like, no, look into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the idea of a suicide, he was beat to death of the rock, suicide style.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two different rocks back to the head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just imagine them.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had to slingshot just a very threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: The he might curse someone or use his necromancy on them was enough to make people bow down before him in the streets.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, indeed, the nickname, the Black Constable, in terms of the fact that he was the ultimate law in Charleston.
[UNKNOWN]: Hang.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, nothing lasts forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: One day is said that Demingo used his powers to stop two thieves.
[SPEAKER_01]: After which he supposedly lifted each man up with one hand, it should anybody watching how powerful he was.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he had ended things there, it would have been merely one of the showings of his magical might.
[SPEAKER_01]: But a subsequent hubris would ultimately be his downfall.
[SPEAKER_01]: According to the tale, as Domingo held up the squirming thieves for the gathering crowd of odd onlookers to see, he proclaimed that he was the most powerful than the Iowa or even Jesus.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then people seen the strings hanging from the people's legs or arms that just hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he attacked his God and Jesus in the same sentence.
[SPEAKER_02]: God, yeah, that he's more powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Mingo was allegedly grabbed and strangled by what seemed to be an unforeseen hand, which then lifted him up into the air and throwing him to the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: After which, he weathered away into nothing of a husk and into dust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much of the horror of the hunter's gathered people who had said they witnessed this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man.
[SPEAKER_01]: see what what but what okay what if he was just performing a psi out penalty of people yeah 1880 yeah he he he he he set himself up like to do that imagine this guy this monster of a man that everybody's terrified and he's holding these two guys up with the one hand he's holding two man up with the one and yeah and he's like oh I thought he was holding them no he's holding one and he's talking to this crowd no show off like because he's massive man yeah and then he attacked his god and Jesus at the same in the same breath and somebody
[SPEAKER_01]: picked him up by his neck, threw him to the ground and just withered away into nothing and died, and the dust him is gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I don't know who did it, but, you know, probably shouldn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: In years after his apparent death, it seems that the black conspul wasn't quite done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was an often reported and bling around the night in the shadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Either a ghost or a resurrected zombie through his dark powers and necromancy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would continue to haunt Charleston in a manner, and his house was even just demolished after what she did vanish.
[SPEAKER_01]: So until his house was destroyed many years later, he would, like, people would say that it's seen them like in the shadows and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's still lingering.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought that, like, when I read in that, that it may have been another source or were used it, like Necromancy to bring him back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for them, like, I might use to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dang, that was that the show power sad, no, that's the mango.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, whether it was I I, I, I, I, I, I W A is how you say it's spell it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I W A. Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Iowa.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who I don't know who threw him to the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's, it's hard to attack both sides and one breath and then, then walk away with no retaliation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, there's been her dive into Voodoo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why you remind me of a George Carlin joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: What she was very cynical at the end, but especially about like God and religion, whatnot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: He made this joke where he said, like, if, like, if God is all powerful, may he strike down this entire audience right now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Put it on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, not him may he's right down this entire audience and it like everyone's He's like see, but it took it completely off him like no, I'm not there on myself in there No, no, no, no, no, which that was the joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think as the joke is getting that yeah, it's pretty good But yeah, I don't I mean I Learn a lot more about you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hopefully hopefully these things are right don't write to me right to the earth authors of these articles
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm curious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every Hollywood number in a movie always starts at 555 because they're not real.
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