WEBVTT 00:06.078 --> 00:13.609 [SPEAKER_01]: What does the first generation to grow up with smartphones and unlimited internet pornography actually think about its impact? 00:14.490 --> 00:21.260 [SPEAKER_01]: In this bonus episode, Jordan and Elizabeth are diving into new survey findings about Gen Z and pornography. 00:22.369 --> 00:31.433 [SPEAKER_01]: As someone who grew up in the first generation with smart phones and internet pornography always within reach, Elizabeth brings her own perspective to the conversation. 00:31.953 --> 00:37.116 [SPEAKER_01]: While Jordan offers a millennial's take on how dramatically the online world has changed. 00:37.996 --> 00:46.440 [SPEAKER_01]: Together, they unpack what the research says, and why these conversations matter for parents, educators, and young people alike. 00:46.840 --> 00:50.382 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, remind me what your hot take about Gen Z. 00:51.855 --> 00:53.916 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my hot take about Gen Z is... 00:55.777 --> 00:59.419 [SPEAKER_02]: Crying if I'm wrong, but it's been a while since I've aired this take. 01:00.319 --> 01:04.301 [SPEAKER_02]: Gen Z hasn't created anything. 01:04.321 --> 01:06.782 [SPEAKER_02]: They've just taken a lot of people have created and said it's theirs. 01:07.603 --> 01:08.303 [SPEAKER_02]: So what it was? 01:08.443 --> 01:13.445 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you said it more, that was the most neutral I've previously said it. 01:14.406 --> 01:14.606 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 01:15.137 --> 01:39.854 [SPEAKER_02]: It's usually your generation as done right so the generations before millennia specifically have created all these technologies was a gen Z created They just have used these technologies or taken old fashioned bits or taken things that previous generations have or have trauma about like baggages or two day of clothes and said that is now hours and we are making you really your trauma through us 01:42.115 --> 01:44.077 [SPEAKER_00]: baggy gene problem. 01:44.538 --> 01:50.083 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but you mentioned in there, do you think that there's something about the internet? 01:50.684 --> 01:59.613 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why because we aren't forced to like my generation we weren't really forced to be with other people except on a screen. 01:59.893 --> 02:02.316 [SPEAKER_00]: So do you think that that's why we haven't done anything new? 02:03.937 --> 02:05.098 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that has something to do with it. 02:05.698 --> 02:14.584 [SPEAKER_02]: I do think Gen Z is more on screens than other ones because my algorithm is like, let's have our kids not be on screens. 02:14.664 --> 02:17.526 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's have a 90 summer and having lived my 90 summer. 02:18.046 --> 02:19.047 [SPEAKER_02]: I lived a 90 summer. 02:19.227 --> 02:22.549 [SPEAKER_02]: I am that old that I do remember having to 02:23.878 --> 02:28.160 [SPEAKER_02]: not play too far away from the door so I could hear the phone ring if I had to and I just had the phone on my pocket. 02:28.500 --> 02:37.783 [SPEAKER_02]: So I do remember those days and I remember commercials were a thing and you could hurry and go to the bathroom during that time but you couldn't take your screen with you. 02:38.844 --> 02:40.124 [SPEAKER_02]: So I remember that. 02:41.605 --> 02:42.005 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't. 02:42.445 --> 02:42.725 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 02:44.139 --> 02:53.166 [SPEAKER_00]: I do a little bit, but it is true that my generation is the first generation to grow up with technology, which is weird. 02:53.706 --> 02:58.209 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's good things about that and bummer things about that. 02:58.549 --> 03:07.196 [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the things that's a bummer is my generation is the first generation to grow up with internet pornography, obviously. 03:08.051 --> 03:18.774 [SPEAKER_02]: as it not necessarily grow up with it but it was here to stay like it wasn't this thing that came on and you like had to navigate how to access it it was just there. 03:19.135 --> 03:19.235 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:19.255 --> 03:19.375 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:19.395 --> 03:19.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Showed up. 03:20.075 --> 03:27.037 [SPEAKER_00]: Well it's like you never hear anymore about people who were first exposed with a playboy magazine or with a VHS. 03:27.037 --> 03:33.098 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I remember when I was a kid, I went into my, like, it was an older relative's garage in a shop. 03:33.198 --> 03:37.779 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just remember seeing all the women up there, some clothes, some not clothes. 03:37.899 --> 03:40.020 [SPEAKER_02]: And just like, that was his domain, his garage. 03:40.420 --> 03:41.840 [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't matter what was up there. 03:41.860 --> 03:43.741 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, welcome to the man's world. 03:43.781 --> 03:44.321 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 03:44.341 --> 03:46.881 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was just going back there to ask my dad when we were going home. 03:47.081 --> 03:48.942 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was just like, whoa, this is what's going on. 03:49.302 --> 03:50.182 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what I mean? 03:50.202 --> 03:51.822 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was, so I do remember that. 03:52.142 --> 03:54.363 [SPEAKER_02]: And that doesn't really exist how it does now. 03:54.677 --> 03:57.942 [SPEAKER_00]: No, like the first time I remember seeing anything that was 03:59.371 --> 04:06.873 [SPEAKER_00]: in that line was on Instagram, actually, because I had Instagram as like a, I don't know, 13, 14 year old. 04:07.673 --> 04:17.655 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think it's really interesting to see, you know, there's a lot of research that's, oh, you know, kids are being impacted by this way or that way. 04:18.135 --> 04:26.257 [SPEAKER_00]: And now, like my generation is old enough that we're starting to see on the other side, how we've been impacted down the road. 04:29.558 --> 04:33.484 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there's a really interesting study that lad Bible actually did. 04:33.825 --> 04:40.955 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not peer-reviewed research But it is a pretty comprehensive survey that they've done with 18 to 29 year olds. 04:41.216 --> 04:43.178 [SPEAKER_00]: So older Gen Z in the UK 04:44.420 --> 04:54.206 [SPEAKER_00]: The purpose of the study was to understand how young people think about and interact with porn today and to uncover how porn is shaping young people's relationships and intimacy. 04:54.867 --> 05:02.411 [SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, 77% of Gen Z in the survey reported that they do watch porn. 05:02.771 --> 05:07.034 [SPEAKER_00]: One in 10 women said they watched daily and one in four men say they watched daily. 05:07.074 --> 05:07.274 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 05:07.434 --> 05:08.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Surprise, not surprised. 05:08.995 --> 05:16.720 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I have not surprised like just the balance of how what majority of what porn is made as four men. 05:16.760 --> 05:18.721 [SPEAKER_02]: So therefore, more men will consume porn. 05:18.941 --> 05:20.122 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I look at that. 05:20.702 --> 05:32.410 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's also a lot of research that's showing that like algorithms specifically drive pornography consumption for male audiences and that technology works that way. 05:32.510 --> 05:33.070 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think 05:36.112 --> 05:40.797 [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of my world I consume a lot of NBA basketball and I know that 05:41.675 --> 05:55.478 [SPEAKER_02]: If you align who the target audience is, it is teen boys and young adult males, they're wanting to do this, and you can easily target, I know in their real story feature, whatever you call it on X. 05:55.838 --> 06:03.420 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I was watching basketball highlights, and then porn just popped up, and it's like, they know that I am an adult male, and so I would probably enjoy that. 06:03.940 --> 06:08.601 [SPEAKER_02]: And I know kids now will say, like, of course I click on NBA stuff, 06:11.782 --> 06:13.544 [SPEAKER_02]: and like I know that as a gateway. 06:14.025 --> 06:17.449 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, that's all because that can sound conspiracy. 06:17.549 --> 06:28.441 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, um, but I just know that is having a new plenty of times because I they know my age, my demographic, everything that I would probably people your age stay on this reels just as long as they do a basketball highlight. 06:28.481 --> 06:29.782 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why it's probably in my feet. 06:30.003 --> 06:31.104 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm interesting. 06:31.642 --> 07:00.683 [SPEAKER_00]: but so with teens it's like they probably that's a gateway straight to what they were what they came for there for basketball good intent straight into something else for sure yeah i think for sure this is really interesting uh... more information about how younger people are seeing pornography so seventy nine percent so almost all of the participants said that they watch it on free porn sites so you know porn hub that sort of thing uh... thirty six percent say that they watch pornography on social media 07:01.455 --> 07:04.656 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay social media social media porn. 07:04.976 --> 07:16.659 [SPEAKER_02]: I know there's sites that like try to control it and it's like what is considered social media because like we have X formerly Twitter that is very easy to access anything so it's like That's where it's most accessible. 07:16.699 --> 07:21.881 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know why they're not singing by platform because I can vary, but I that's what I assume 07:22.081 --> 07:31.105 [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and another study actually so not this one a different one actually was able to track where kids are saying that they're being exposed to pornography. 07:31.465 --> 07:39.529 [SPEAKER_00]: This is this was shocking to me but not shocking but kids are now more likely to see porn on social media than they are on a search engine. 07:39.969 --> 07:46.972 [SPEAKER_00]: The top platform being Twitter now X as you mentioned because it is unregulated for people who don't know. 07:47.632 --> 07:53.275 [SPEAKER_00]: Second was Instagram, so 33% of kids, the third of kids are being exposed on Instagram. 07:53.715 --> 08:06.740 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, whether that's through soft core, third-strapy content or pornographic content that ends up on there, and isn't supposed to be or if that's taking them to only fans or to another platform that is not clear in the study. 08:07.101 --> 08:11.623 [SPEAKER_00]: Snapchat, 32%, so right underneath that, and then search engines, 30%. 08:17.265 --> 08:20.649 [SPEAKER_00]: caregiver, et cetera, but something that everyone should be aware of. 08:21.069 --> 08:33.783 [SPEAKER_00]: And on this study, specifically 63% of the participants said that they were exposed before the age of 16, other national surveys suggest that the average ages between 11 and 13, so younger than not even. 08:34.203 --> 08:40.169 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, so many kids are saying that they were exposed through platforms like Instagram or X or whatever it may be. 08:40.970 --> 08:48.373 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're seeing a generation that has high exposure to pornography and early exposure to pornography. 08:48.854 --> 08:54.436 [SPEAKER_00]: We've kind of, if you were to chart it out, we would be, you know, the highest point on both of those things. 08:54.776 --> 09:07.082 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's interesting to see kind of years down the road, what 20 year olds, you know, 29 year olds, whatever people in that age group are saying, yeah, this is how it impacted me. 09:07.762 --> 09:09.703 [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of want to go through some of those findings there. 09:10.563 --> 09:20.095 [SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing I really want to talk about is how pornography has just in general become sex education for young people. 09:20.615 --> 09:29.366 [SPEAKER_00]: And in this survey 65% so the majority of these participants said that porn was their first time being exposed to sex period. 09:29.546 --> 09:29.787 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 09:30.287 --> 09:36.851 [SPEAKER_00]: So before they had a conversation with a parent, before they had sex ed in school, before any of that, which is wild. 09:37.371 --> 09:44.696 [SPEAKER_00]: A man between the ages of 18 and 20, his quote was in the survey said, quote, it was my main source of education. 09:44.876 --> 09:48.098 [SPEAKER_00]: I had no other education other than partners or porn. 09:48.338 --> 09:57.844 [SPEAKER_00]: It resulted in a very unhealthy relationship with sex, including some non-consensual experiences and more aggressive forms as I thought that was the expectation. 09:58.204 --> 09:58.444 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 09:58.544 --> 10:09.369 [SPEAKER_00]: I think sometimes when people think when we talk about porn, it's pictures or, you know, more soft core stuff and soft core, like doesn't soft core is thirst traps on Instagram now. 10:09.409 --> 10:09.549 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:09.569 --> 10:10.089 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 10:10.149 --> 10:13.110 [SPEAKER_00]: And so kids are seeing abuse content. 10:13.150 --> 10:15.811 [SPEAKER_00]: They're seeing really aggressive, um, 10:25.235 --> 10:25.836 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely. 10:25.996 --> 10:44.853 [SPEAKER_00]: And so then we can't be surprised when there are so many cases of child on child sexual abuse or kids being, you know, put in situations where they're being groomed because they don't realize that what's happening to them isn't normal and and half of these participants agree that watching porn has changed their expectations of real life sex so that's that scary. 10:44.873 --> 10:45.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 10:46.134 --> 10:46.374 [SPEAKER_02]: Agreed. 10:47.595 --> 10:49.617 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I I can play agree with that because 10:50.895 --> 10:56.881 [SPEAKER_02]: This, this climate that we're in, how we consume social media is people just say, record your everyday and that is content. 10:56.941 --> 11:07.532 [SPEAKER_02]: People just want content and millennials gave us the influence or generation where everything was highlight real and that's a lot of the porn that has been consumed and then you have 11:08.313 --> 11:33.093 [SPEAKER_02]: them saying we want more real stuff and like taking that back it's like we're being influenced so much and for an example I was on a family trip and we were at Baypool and my child saw a child youtube star and there I as we're glued to them to make sure they watched every move of that child started I had no idea who this youtuber child was but they were like locked in watching them navigate them and 11:34.074 --> 11:54.262 [SPEAKER_02]: Another story with YouTube is at the end of the video so I'd like to subscribe and my kid was really upset I didn't like to subscribe so they are literally following the steps of this video content that we are being shown so I can say I can see why they say we want to be shown this to know how to do it and this generation is being shown how to live their life through videos through vlogs. 11:54.680 --> 12:09.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, it's like, if your kid is saying, you should like and subscribe because they told you to like and subscribe, it makes sense that then if they're seeing a lack of consent and they're seeing aggression and violence in pornography that then their brains go, okay, copy and paste. 12:10.661 --> 12:10.941 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:11.161 --> 12:19.447 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think something that is interesting is that there's a lot of push back on some of these ideas, especially from this generation. 12:19.907 --> 12:30.354 [SPEAKER_00]: That was something else that was really highlighted in this study was that, you know, that we are the most porn exposed generation, but we're also very critical of pornography. 12:39.199 --> 12:45.946 [SPEAKER_00]: which can include awkward moments, laughter for play, more realistic bodies, more focus on female pleasure. 12:46.586 --> 12:52.332 [SPEAKER_00]: So there is this recognition that, wait, we don't want this in this way. 12:52.392 --> 12:58.157 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Gen Z has done a really good job of saying, again, Moanios gave us this, some 12:59.158 --> 13:10.404 [SPEAKER_02]: vlog lifestyle and we want it real and now you can see content shifting to just record your everyday and they're saying we need more everyday sex in their porn. 13:12.338 --> 13:33.073 [SPEAKER_02]: we took all the highlights in the glamour and like the multiple editing angles and Genzi has said like we just want the mundane like that's what is really in right now is just recording the mundane the ordinary life of a person and like I can see how they're saying they want to see the ordinary and all that because that's all what content is like we look at TikTok like we get ready with me it's like 13:34.431 --> 13:48.733 [SPEAKER_02]: okay but like a vlog used to go over a lot more and we had more highlights and it was just they they they sought into the highlight only culture and now I can see why they're saying they want the more real because they say a similar thing's more thick. 13:49.013 --> 14:03.056 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and certainly that's a step forward you know our perspective here is that there's abundant research that shows that pornography it's harmful to individuals relationships and society you know but any steps that can be taken to 14:03.996 --> 14:08.701 [SPEAKER_00]: to change the culture around the dangers of pornography, how harmful it is. 14:09.081 --> 14:12.765 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are things that, you know, can certainly be helpful to that. 14:13.505 --> 14:22.594 [SPEAKER_00]: And something that this study didn't mention at all was, you know, the abuse that happens or the trafficking that happens, exploitation as a result of pornography. 14:22.714 --> 14:24.156 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I would be curious. 14:24.796 --> 14:29.139 [SPEAKER_00]: more, you know, my generation, what our thoughts are on that sort of thing. 14:29.639 --> 14:38.245 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, what they would expect from porn moving forward if they knew that that was so deeply and a part of it, you know. 14:38.769 --> 14:38.969 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 14:39.610 --> 14:40.170 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good point. 14:40.231 --> 14:50.121 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it is good that, you know, our generation is wanting less of what mainstream pornography has been known to be. 14:50.181 --> 14:51.162 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to be about. 14:51.522 --> 15:01.192 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, like, attracts because obviously everything is a trend and it's like trend that you can see the trends coming and going and whatever, but. 15:01.672 --> 15:28.678 [SPEAKER_02]: from alls we had with photos, then alls we had was like we had magazines and then center folds and then it's like posters and then the internet came along and brought us posts like pictures on demand right and then it's like video on demand and now it's like no we get full on live stream now if we want we get subscription right in our pocket of adult content whatever we have so I think it's just yeah over time everything is 15:32.128 --> 15:32.388 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 15:33.449 --> 15:45.878 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with having access to literally any type of content kind of like you said, it is hopeful that 75% believe that there should be more communication about consent between performers and porn. 15:46.598 --> 15:52.883 [SPEAKER_00]: And 64% say that they do not remember seeing any explicit consent in porn. 15:53.515 --> 16:20.348 [SPEAKER_02]: right and I think it's hard to know as a viewer where consent was and what consent took place and they always say it took place off camera but I can imagine why they're like teach us consent like if you're teaching a sex teach us consent and I think porn will never do that because we've learned that that's not fun to show on camera and so I'm grateful for organizations out there that are teaching the nuance of consent and how to navigate that. 16:21.021 --> 16:21.261 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:21.381 --> 16:23.982 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's something that my generation cares a lot about. 16:24.002 --> 16:43.752 [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the, I guess, downsides could be an upside depending on your perspective of growing up with so much media is that you're exposed to all sorts of things all over the world, cases where people are being exploited or, you know, sexual abuse cases like that's so in our faces all the time. 16:44.432 --> 16:45.553 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think that's something that 16:45.973 --> 16:55.536 [SPEAKER_00]: the younger generation cares about is having consensual relationships, having consensual sex, having respect for interactions between people. 16:55.636 --> 17:10.660 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that that's a lot of good awareness that people recognize that that is not depicted in pornography and then be a great step forward for people to say, no, like that is the bare minimum of what we should be expecting. 17:10.680 --> 17:11.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:11.600 --> 17:12.940 [SPEAKER_00]: And then kind of along those lines, 17:15.701 --> 17:21.947 [SPEAKER_00]: 77% want more resources to help navigate porn and sex. 17:21.967 --> 17:24.149 [SPEAKER_00]: So 77% that's the vast majority. 17:24.189 --> 17:37.342 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I part of me is like everyone wants more like we live in an age where we can get more information matter what and it's like we just have to make sure it's the right information that we want them about it and because it's like 17:38.163 --> 17:42.987 [SPEAKER_02]: there can be more porn fed to them, but is it the right information being fed to them about sex? 17:43.287 --> 17:55.255 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the problem and it's like we are doing our best to fight the intro to even educate of the harms of porn and consent or trafficking all of these things that are intertwined in porn that like they want more information about. 17:55.455 --> 18:01.780 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like we're just we are trying our best and I think that's the start and like that's the trajectory we need to 18:06.487 --> 18:23.818 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm glad that surveys like this are happening, opening up doors for people to think about some of these things or consider them, um, obviously we're a resource that that is there for people to learn about these things, but you know, we unfortunately aren't able to reach everybody. 18:23.878 --> 18:28.182 [SPEAKER_02]: So let me ask you, like we fighting drug, we don't say we are sex education. 18:28.202 --> 18:28.882 [SPEAKER_02]: We've never said that. 18:29.003 --> 18:33.206 [SPEAKER_02]: We educate on the harms of porn and sexual exploitation and all those things. 18:33.607 --> 18:48.820 [SPEAKER_02]: But as as Gen Z is someone who identifies as Gen Z, what do you think you wish your generation do more of in terms of like the survey when the high 70s say they want to know more. 18:48.980 --> 18:50.742 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like what do they want to know more of? 18:51.002 --> 18:51.302 [SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm. 18:52.222 --> 18:55.643 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's tricky thinking about my experience growing up. 18:55.964 --> 19:05.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of that last generation to play outside and have experiences with outphones, but also the first ones to be given a phone at a pretty young age. 19:06.127 --> 19:10.028 [SPEAKER_00]: All my friends had smartphones towards end-of-middle school. 19:10.408 --> 19:12.168 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember being a freshman in high school. 19:12.248 --> 19:14.929 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm feeling like, oh, I'm the only one that doesn't have a smartphone. 19:14.969 --> 19:17.170 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I got a smartphone in high school. 19:17.590 --> 19:18.810 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're the first generations to 19:20.571 --> 19:23.834 [SPEAKER_00]: part of the problem was nobody knew what to do. 19:23.894 --> 19:26.476 [SPEAKER_00]: It was sort of okay there's this technology let's give it to kids. 19:26.876 --> 19:30.919 [SPEAKER_00]: So there was very little research about how that could be harmful for kids. 19:30.939 --> 19:37.604 [SPEAKER_00]: There was very little examples of how it could be harmful or dangerous even parents didn't know those dangers at the time. 19:37.985 --> 19:46.672 [SPEAKER_00]: And so thinking about something like pornography that wasn't even really in the picture at all for parents or educators in a different light than it had been 19:47.573 --> 19:56.396 [SPEAKER_02]: Because when you were given a phone, it was like, yeah, she's going to communicate on it, but little did we know it was like, you're opening the world to your child, not your child to the world. 19:56.647 --> 19:59.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have access to everything. 19:59.349 --> 20:01.111 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I was a very good kid. 20:01.131 --> 20:03.392 [SPEAKER_00]: I never did anything that I shouldn't have done on my phone. 20:03.853 --> 20:07.776 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that's a lot to ask for a kid to say here's everything. 20:07.796 --> 20:12.339 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, there's so much dangerous stuff on here so much harmful stuff in here, but don't look at it. 20:12.740 --> 20:14.441 [SPEAKER_00]: But you have access to it. 20:14.961 --> 20:16.663 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot to ask for a child. 20:17.083 --> 20:18.404 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think definitely. 20:18.424 --> 20:20.345 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a lot to ask anybody anyone. 20:20.506 --> 20:21.586 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's such a great point. 20:21.606 --> 20:22.187 [SPEAKER_02]: Not even a child. 20:22.367 --> 20:35.134 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think now we know a lot more about how that can be harmful and dangerous, but like when I was first going to smartphone, nobody really knew the instructions where if you see something uncomfortable, turn it off and you know, go tell my mom. 20:35.174 --> 20:41.537 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then we actually are human, so it's like that thing, that proper motion, you are curious about your motion. 20:41.557 --> 20:48.200 [SPEAKER_02]: So like not saying you, but like, I'm just seeing the average boy of doing boy things of like, that was an emotion that I 20:51.882 --> 20:53.243 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm curious what that feeling was. 20:53.263 --> 20:55.744 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go back and see if I liked that feeling or not. 20:56.064 --> 21:05.529 [SPEAKER_02]: And more times than not, when it's poor or something they shouldn't have done, they kind of have the adrenaline, and they confuse adrenaline, and the excitement with something like, no, I like doing this. 21:05.629 --> 21:06.370 [SPEAKER_02]: Does that make sense? 21:06.410 --> 21:10.912 [SPEAKER_02]: And then later, that weight, when you learn more of what's happening, it's too late. 21:11.472 --> 21:11.973 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think 21:12.853 --> 21:38.730 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the conversation we're not having enough of like are you experiencing a adrenaline because you know you're not supposed to or is it like a rousal and you like that feeling but like there's all these conflicted feelings and I think young kids are just coming to realize like I didn't know what I was experiencing but I knew I was feeling something and like being on a screen like you're you're getting brain rot, right, but it's like you're coming to something and you're actually feeling something and I think that's something that 21:40.121 --> 21:56.887 [SPEAKER_02]: kids don't know how to navigate and adults still don't know how to navigate so like it's it's still playing with your emotions and I think there's a lot of emotions when kids are seeing porn when kids are seeing content they shouldn't and they're just trying to navigate what those are but they don't necessarily want to bring in the adult because they don't know how they feel about those emotions yet. 21:57.367 --> 22:19.020 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you made a good point that there's some, there's kind of a cocktail of emotions that come up But that was going to be my point is that I think the one thing that most kids recognize is that feeling of Oh, this is off limits or I shouldn't be looking at this and for a lot of kids again If that's your first time being exposed to sex or to pornography, you know, you haven't had a conversation like that before 22:19.460 --> 22:20.541 [SPEAKER_00]: How are you going to go tell it? 22:20.561 --> 22:22.522 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to go tell your mom or your dad. 22:22.542 --> 22:46.160 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey look what I just saw and so I think there's you kind of mentioned at the beginning There's such a fear from the older generation To confront pornography with children or with teenagers younger people, but the reality is Do you want to be the person that introduces these topics to them in a safe and healthy way or do you want to take your chances and let whatever You know is available online and 22:47.021 --> 22:51.712 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, whatever type of pornography is available, you want them to go to that first. 22:52.513 --> 22:52.754 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 22:52.914 --> 22:53.395 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, 22:54.816 --> 22:59.018 [SPEAKER_02]: As an adult, you would hope that you had a few more answers than what the kids are experiencing. 22:59.058 --> 23:06.021 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, even if you're an adult trying to navigate this for the first time, like, you have a few more answers than what their peers will have. 23:07.041 --> 23:07.762 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I see it. 23:07.962 --> 23:08.322 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 23:08.822 --> 23:19.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have, like, as a parent, are there resources or information or things that you wish that you would know or that you think would be helpful for other parents in that situation? 23:19.727 --> 23:37.015 [SPEAKER_02]: When people come up to me and ask me, like, since I've worked to find the drug for over 10 years, like, people will, will, thanks us, no people will come up and, like, if they don't know me and they say that they get kind of uncomfortable, like, oh, you, you just said porn and I was immediately checked out. 23:37.095 --> 23:41.217 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I didn't know, but the people who are experiencing their child, 23:41.897 --> 23:43.958 [SPEAKER_02]: or will be experienced in their child encountering porn. 23:44.499 --> 23:50.863 [SPEAKER_02]: They will come up between later and be like, hey, I have a friend or someone else I know is struggling, what can I do? 23:50.963 --> 23:53.304 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like we have so many resources we've developed. 23:53.344 --> 23:54.685 [SPEAKER_02]: We've built a documentary. 23:54.725 --> 23:56.386 [SPEAKER_02]: We've had all these research databases. 23:56.426 --> 23:57.587 [SPEAKER_02]: We've done a lot of videos. 23:57.607 --> 23:59.108 [SPEAKER_02]: We make social content like a lot of that. 23:59.908 --> 24:03.369 [SPEAKER_02]: and a lot of times it comes down to like what type of person are they? 24:03.669 --> 24:04.770 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they a documentary person? 24:04.890 --> 24:05.890 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they a podcast person? 24:06.310 --> 24:09.291 [SPEAKER_02]: Are they someone who needs to see things in a more academic way? 24:09.731 --> 24:25.857 [SPEAKER_02]: And like there's so many, but like we've created a parent resource page, which is like parents just land here and start this parent page is really good to say, whether you're a kid, a scene porn or not, start here and then you flow through it and hear the resources that we would suggest to use. 24:27.250 --> 24:40.935 [SPEAKER_02]: when you experience your kid looking at porn, you don't want to react like someone just spilled, read juice all over a white rug, like, because it's like, I can't tell parents my experience because they will freak out, you know? 24:41.555 --> 24:47.578 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard hearing that because internally, an alarm is going off and you want to, but it's like, 24:48.975 --> 24:51.437 [SPEAKER_02]: this parent page will kind of help you navigate those feelings as well. 24:52.078 --> 24:52.338 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 24:53.059 --> 24:53.259 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 24:53.439 --> 24:53.700 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:53.780 --> 24:53.960 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:54.080 --> 25:00.786 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the biggest thing that we try to stress is, you know, there's not necessarily a single right way to do it. 25:00.806 --> 25:01.587 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:01.687 --> 25:08.654 [SPEAKER_00]: And the biggest part, even bigger than, you know, having the right thing to say or the right research to point your kid to whatever it is. 25:08.954 --> 25:21.017 [SPEAKER_00]: the biggest thing is to be a support person for your child and to be someone that they can trust and come to if they have questions about sex or if they see something online that they feel comfortable coming to you with that information. 25:21.097 --> 25:31.020 [SPEAKER_02]: Right and like I'm just trying to be apparent I'm trying my best and I know that when I tell my kid you idiot why would you do that just kidding I don't tell my kids that but 25:31.540 --> 25:53.956 [SPEAKER_02]: But I want to, but also I know next time they do it, they will hide that they did that so they don't get a reaction from dad or from mom, you know, and so knowing whatever they're struggling with whether it be porn or other situations like being supportive is most helpful and this page helps parents be supportive and learn and navigate things and 25:55.180 --> 26:12.888 [SPEAKER_02]: finding drug host so many topics and resources about the topic of porn, whether it be like how porn is evolved today into creator content that's more subscriber base or whether it's still AI defects like we're talking about it all. 26:13.268 --> 26:20.152 [SPEAKER_02]: So if anything, you land on the parent page and poke around five of the new drug, you will find a lot more interesting things that will just point 26:23.273 --> 26:25.554 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and that's what Gen Z ones. 26:25.654 --> 26:30.697 [SPEAKER_00]: They say they want greater support for parents to have combos with teens about porn. 26:30.717 --> 26:31.298 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 26:31.438 --> 26:31.998 [SPEAKER_00]: So there. 26:32.018 --> 26:33.199 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 26:33.419 --> 26:33.719 [SPEAKER_00]: Done it. 26:34.958 --> 26:42.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'm curious if you're a parent watching this comment, let us know if you used it, let me know, let us know. 26:42.605 --> 26:43.826 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll link it below. 26:44.086 --> 26:44.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Go check it out. 26:44.947 --> 26:53.854 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just curious what you think it's missing, what you wish you had, what if you have teens that you, if you're on the spectrum, I have a teen that has consumed, and I have a teen that hasn't. 26:54.375 --> 26:55.816 [SPEAKER_02]: How do I talk to both in the same time? 26:56.156 --> 26:57.718 [SPEAKER_02]: Like we're trying our best. 26:57.858 --> 26:59.599 [SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to navigate it in this world. 27:00.401 --> 27:05.133 [SPEAKER_02]: As porn is always evolving, our resources are always evolving, but apparent pages are great place to start.