WEBVTT 00:00.551 --> 00:04.312 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey everybody, welcome to a brand new episode of Geeks from the Multiverse podcast. 00:04.732 --> 00:12.975 [SPEAKER_00]: This week's episode is in AI vs Hollywood, and we're stepping into one of the most difficult genres in filmmaking, the Crime Thriller. 00:13.435 --> 00:16.376 [SPEAKER_00]: Hollywood is given us countless detective serial killers. 00:17.476 --> 00:24.162 [SPEAKER_00]: and murder mysteries over the years, some became legendary, while others were forgotten the moment the credits rolled. 00:24.783 --> 00:35.413 [SPEAKER_00]: Can AI create a crime thriller that captures the tension of seven, the obsession of Zodiac, and the atmosphere of true detective will still feeling like it's own movie? 00:36.353 --> 00:37.234 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to find out. 00:37.975 --> 00:41.158 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Missing and Welcome to Geeks from the Multiverse. 00:45.150 --> 00:49.612 [SPEAKER_02]: We're geeks from the multiverse, we've come to unite all geeks. 00:50.153 --> 00:55.295 [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's time to get geeky and dive right in because we're geeks from the multiverse. 01:04.400 --> 01:08.321 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey everybody, welcome again to Geeks from the multiverse podcast. 01:09.342 --> 01:11.143 [SPEAKER_00]: I am your host. 01:12.799 --> 01:15.480 [SPEAKER_00]: Grumpy beard, and with me as always is. 01:16.540 --> 01:17.620 [SPEAKER_01]: Captain, let's stay. 01:17.800 --> 01:18.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Shells, everyone doing that. 01:18.900 --> 01:20.861 [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, why don't you have to be so slow when you did that? 01:21.041 --> 01:22.681 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, no, you're host. 01:23.401 --> 01:24.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Grumpy beard. 01:24.661 --> 01:29.282 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you should have said, yes, my other host, you're good looking host. 01:29.422 --> 01:32.623 [SPEAKER_01]: No, j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j 01:37.882 --> 01:39.003 [SPEAKER_01]: What, who are we bat? 01:39.063 --> 01:40.084 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't do you know? 01:40.324 --> 01:40.765 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I don't. 01:41.665 --> 01:45.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yes, this whole AI versus Hollywood, right? 01:45.369 --> 02:01.223 [SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't really been catching up with all this stuff, you know, this is where we've, we've gone to AI and we said, hey, you know, what, create us a script, create us a genre, give us a movie, could be a video game, could be a TV show, could be basically whatever we decide and we're going to see how well AI basically does. 02:02.262 --> 02:03.503 [SPEAKER_01]: this thing that we ask it to do. 02:03.543 --> 02:09.045 [SPEAKER_01]: And so this case, right, we're going to be doing this missing, well, the title is missing, right? 02:09.065 --> 02:10.065 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all we're going to tell you right now. 02:10.105 --> 02:11.866 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's saying, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. 02:11.966 --> 02:13.367 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, it's like a true crime. 02:13.567 --> 02:16.008 [SPEAKER_01]: Think of like a true crime, little horror, little listen that. 02:16.028 --> 02:19.289 [SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of like dives into a different realm of things. 02:19.309 --> 02:20.610 [SPEAKER_01]: Because again, we've talked about a Western. 02:20.630 --> 02:21.590 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about sci-fi. 02:21.610 --> 02:24.612 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about a freaking video game. 02:24.632 --> 02:26.272 [SPEAKER_01]: We've gone, we've gone everywhere. 02:26.292 --> 02:27.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Help, we did a rap parody. 02:27.973 --> 02:30.274 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, and I mean, we're trying to branch out 02:33.664 --> 02:41.106 [SPEAKER_00]: type of, I guess, genres would be, I mean, we've done the sci-fi thing, and sure we could do superheroes, which we kind of did with Echoverse. 02:42.146 --> 02:50.569 [SPEAKER_00]: It was both sci-fi superhero type of genre, but we're trying to branch out of me, we just did a Western, that was. 02:52.773 --> 03:17.127 [SPEAKER_01]: a grave at sundown, which I still think it could be a I really think if they did it right it could be a really great moving could be a really great movie but this one I mean I will admit I did kind of look at it before and I was like you know I said I could I could see this I could see this kind of doing well but you know I guess we'll see again because you know we have to talk about our casting choices and things like that but it's we'll see because like I said 03:19.415 --> 03:25.356 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll admit that, I guess, I'm not trying to be biased because it is the podcast, but, you know, I think a lot of these ideas, right? 03:25.376 --> 03:28.677 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hell, like I said, Matt literally created a book. 03:29.757 --> 03:32.078 [SPEAKER_01]: The stop of the AI versus Hollywood episode. 03:32.238 --> 03:33.598 [SPEAKER_01]: So keep that in mind. 03:34.318 --> 03:36.739 [SPEAKER_01]: He made a book off of literally an idea from AI. 03:36.779 --> 03:39.159 [SPEAKER_01]: So if that tells you anything, okay? 03:39.179 --> 03:45.381 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, that's what we're saying is like, you know, some of these ideas, yes, we could see it actually turning into something where some of these other ones 03:46.900 --> 03:47.920 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying they can't. 03:47.980 --> 03:49.601 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, earthworm gym would be tough. 03:50.181 --> 03:55.983 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, we've talked about like the directors and we've talked about all these other things, but it really depends on how well they actually do it. 03:56.043 --> 03:56.643 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem. 03:57.323 --> 04:01.185 [SPEAKER_00]: So Bioforge would, I mean, that was our very first one. 04:01.205 --> 04:05.926 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you would have to throw game of thrones money at it. 04:06.627 --> 04:08.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, well, that one definitely could be it. 04:08.387 --> 04:10.708 [SPEAKER_01]: That one should just honestly be a TV show. 04:11.050 --> 04:11.711 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what we did. 04:11.751 --> 04:21.587 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was a TV show, but you would have to throw money at it if you if you gave it like NBC money, you know, it's going to it's going to flop on its face like the third episode will be canceled. 04:21.968 --> 04:22.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 04:22.208 --> 04:24.131 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be like, what's that show firefly. 04:25.238 --> 04:27.338 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, firefly, I'd be like following skies. 04:27.438 --> 04:28.679 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, all these things. 04:28.699 --> 04:30.839 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then when you look at Echoverse, right? 04:30.859 --> 04:38.500 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the fact that, I mean, you could technically do, I feel like you could do, you should do a show first, and then maybe make a movie out of it, depending on how well you do with it. 04:39.160 --> 04:39.640 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just me. 04:39.880 --> 04:41.341 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like, you can build upon that. 04:41.401 --> 04:42.561 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a remarkable idea. 04:42.601 --> 04:43.461 [SPEAKER_00]: That's an idea. 04:43.481 --> 04:45.541 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like I said, Earthworm Jim would be tough. 04:45.581 --> 04:54.483 [SPEAKER_00]: I think Jacuzzi time, Jacuzzi, depending on, like, how you do it, and how the jokes are done, that could either flopper do really well. 04:55.606 --> 04:58.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, and I mean, I know we're going to be talking about more about this, but... 04:59.732 --> 05:01.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's go right into our CTAs like we normally do. 05:01.973 --> 05:04.034 [SPEAKER_01]: So of course, our good old call to actions here. 05:04.054 --> 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honestly just spread the word myself, but the other thing is is just, you guys need to help us out. 06:17.497 --> 06:17.937 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 06:17.957 --> 06:18.377 [SPEAKER_01]: We're growing. 06:18.977 --> 06:25.539 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, because Matt and Matt told me about the analytics, and I'm like, all right, I said, well, hopefully you guys can keep this up and we'll keep this going. 06:25.879 --> 06:26.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:26.400 --> 06:28.140 [SPEAKER_01]: No, they're hopefully many more years to come. 06:28.440 --> 06:30.181 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, thanks everybody for listening in. 06:31.078 --> 06:32.139 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're going to real quick. 06:32.159 --> 06:35.800 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go into some small tech because we have some some things we want to discuss. 06:35.820 --> 06:37.741 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we kind of already discussed it. 06:37.761 --> 06:42.303 [SPEAKER_00]: I discussed it a little bit, but we didn't really know the main question for this. 06:42.323 --> 06:44.324 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because we're doing AI versus Hollywood. 06:44.384 --> 06:47.646 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is technically this is our number six. 06:48.026 --> 06:48.246 [SPEAKER_00]: John. 06:48.566 --> 06:48.866 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't. 06:48.906 --> 06:49.427 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God. 06:49.487 --> 06:49.887 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all home. 06:49.927 --> 06:51.287 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm at let's put this into perspective. 06:52.768 --> 06:53.008 [SPEAKER_01]: Ready? 06:53.088 --> 06:54.249 [SPEAKER_01]: Just so everyone is clear. 06:54.869 --> 06:56.530 [SPEAKER_01]: We've been doing this almost four years. 06:57.417 --> 06:59.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, four freaking years. 06:59.118 --> 07:03.462 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and it still surprises me because I still remember the 20th episode when we joked. 07:04.123 --> 07:06.545 [SPEAKER_01]: And we said to ourselves, you're ready to keep doing this? 07:06.685 --> 07:10.789 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, well, I guess we're gonna keep meeting up for a week, he's ready to continue to do this. 07:10.809 --> 07:16.874 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just, it's crazy to see that we've now, you know, we had this idea and then six, six. 07:17.474 --> 07:20.297 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, we're gonna have, hopefully many more to come up with, but yeah. 07:20.477 --> 07:21.418 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is episode 175. 07:23.173 --> 07:26.356 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, Matt, and I didn't realize that. 07:26.496 --> 07:38.065 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, the question that I have is, out of the ones that we've done, is there an universe as Holly would, that we've done that you would now think would not be successful. 07:38.125 --> 07:42.489 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll list them off right now because people may not know like, oh, you've done six of them. 07:42.509 --> 07:42.709 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 07:43.149 --> 07:47.693 [SPEAKER_00]: So we have BioForge, which is our sci-fi alien type TV show. 07:49.202 --> 07:53.904 [SPEAKER_00]: Echoverse, which is another sci-fi movie, but it's also super hero-related. 07:54.745 --> 07:56.826 [SPEAKER_00]: Earthworm gem, which is a video game adaptation. 07:57.566 --> 08:03.489 [SPEAKER_00]: Jekuzi time, Makuzi, which is a sat-tire parody, like hip hop rap, you know, gangster rap, I think. 08:04.189 --> 08:12.133 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree that sundown, which is our western, and now we have missing, which is our newest crime drama slash thriller that we're doing. 08:12.913 --> 08:14.694 [SPEAKER_01]: So Matt, want to me to say echo for no. 08:15.354 --> 08:15.794 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm joking. 08:15.854 --> 08:23.558 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, Matt said if I said if I said if I said if I said I go versk, he said he probably have to kill me and I said, no, okay, fine, I guess I won't do that. 08:23.578 --> 08:32.382 [SPEAKER_01]: But now I would say the the two that I, I don't know, you're supposed to speak one, but I think it's a toss up because it's between Bioforge and Earthworm Jim. 08:33.138 --> 08:58.329 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think we both can agree that, you know, with bioforge, like you just said in the beginning there like you have to throw money and it like big money and in order for it to actually succeed because if not I mean it's going to be it's it's cgi so you have to have like you have to have money to do and I I kind of agree but I mean I would add in jacuzzi time of kuzzi because that could also stop I mean to a degree but I feel like that one would be good at various though. 08:59.951 --> 09:08.901 [SPEAKER_00]: It could be hilarious, but it also could end up in the pit of Amazon Prime to spare or like right next to superhero movie. 09:09.662 --> 09:19.213 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and like whatever that whatever the meet the Spartans is like the did the 300 parody that they did like no, I'm not saying it'll look it'll sit somewhere right in the middle of that. 09:19.933 --> 09:30.716 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it wouldn't, but at the same time, I still think Jacuzzi time at Cousi would do probably a little bit better than even bioforge, or I think only because it has ice cubes, snoop and drain. 09:30.816 --> 09:31.696 [SPEAKER_01]: Who wouldn't want to have? 09:31.836 --> 09:38.518 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, dude, all we got to do is hit them up one of these days and be like, you want to get on those movie called Jacuzzi time at Cousi. 09:38.858 --> 09:40.660 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, hell yeah, brother, let's go. 09:40.740 --> 09:42.121 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, come on, who wouldn't want to watch? 09:42.241 --> 09:43.502 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd watch the shit out of that movie. 09:43.522 --> 09:44.703 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, yeah, guess what? 09:44.983 --> 09:45.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Guess who made it. 09:45.603 --> 09:45.884 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait. 09:46.164 --> 09:47.685 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh. 09:47.865 --> 09:54.951 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I'm just saying, I think, you know, bioforgent and earthworm gym are probably the two that I would say that it would really depend on me. 09:55.031 --> 10:02.256 [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why I also say earthworm gym, because I know we kind of somewhat talked about is that, yeah, it really depends on who you have as a director. 10:02.477 --> 10:03.918 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you also need to have a good budget. 10:04.418 --> 10:11.397 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of these things, you see, I have a right a lot of these are definitely, I would say besides probably a grave at sundown. 10:12.728 --> 10:29.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, jacuzzi Tomacuzzi I guess you would have some CGI of course in there as well, but like, I mean, Accoverse is definitely when you definitely need to have some CGI on that motherfucker, but you know, definitely I would say the least amount of CGI is definitely going to be a grave at sundown, like that one and this one. 10:29.451 --> 10:35.153 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, missing is probably not going to have as much, but yeah, I mean, I'm just saying like these the top four that we mentioned. 10:35.873 --> 10:36.173 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 10:37.013 --> 10:52.523 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you didn't have the right budget, you didn't have the right director with the vision, you know, hopefully like the people that we chose for those movies and everything like that will hopefully work out or get somebody close to it, you know, like that would be the thing is like I would say the the two biggest things is definitely the director and the budget. 10:53.178 --> 10:55.380 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you don't have that, I mean, we already gave it the script. 10:56.020 --> 10:57.061 [SPEAKER_01]: We can easily make the script. 10:57.101 --> 10:58.121 [SPEAKER_01]: We have no problem doing that. 10:59.162 --> 11:01.424 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's really the director in the budget. 11:01.564 --> 11:10.170 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's how the earthward gym, especially in bio-forge, like I would say with earthward gym, the only biggest thing is you're going to need somebody that knows how to... 11:11.318 --> 11:18.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully, some of the original people that we're doing like the animation, you know, things for that, too, because you wouldn't want to have so many new, I think. 11:18.506 --> 11:30.499 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you don't want to have so many kind of older that knew about like Earthborn Jim and all that stuff, but, you know, I mean, what do you, I mean, I know you said you're cozy time at cozy, but I, I know, I want to know a little bit more and like, like, what about it exactly? 11:30.539 --> 11:32.722 [SPEAKER_01]: You would think, why it wouldn't be so well. 11:33.893 --> 11:43.727 [SPEAKER_00]: jacuzzi tomacuzzi in general yeah like you said because like I mean I I think I already said it it's just it's one of those things like if the jokes don't land quite the way that 11:44.699 --> 12:11.945 [SPEAKER_00]: we would be interpreting the jokes landing yeah if it's not done you know i'm talking like at least script and the cinematography like if and if everything is done right i think it would be six like successful i mean it wouldn't be like 300 million or four you know it wouldn't be anything like that but i think i mean i think it still would get a good box office just maybe not as like that you're saying the three five hundred million mark yeah i mean i'm 12:14.936 --> 12:16.637 [SPEAKER_00]: humor like that is subjective. 12:16.677 --> 12:34.907 [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's enough people that are in that hip-hop frame of mine that would think it would be funny, but like, I don't know, it's just to me like the jokes really have to hit as being something that's funny and not just, you know, it walks that, you know, that edge of being funny, but being offensive at the same time. 12:35.248 --> 12:41.831 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I get it, but I think where if you think about it now, man, I mean, how many movies like, like, for example, like, 12:44.653 --> 12:48.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though they we're talking a massive amount of years difference now. 12:49.095 --> 12:50.015 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're doing that. 12:50.196 --> 12:51.676 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're bringing you back to do it. 12:51.696 --> 12:54.758 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also, I mean, there is also a space balls. 12:55.378 --> 12:56.618 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I understand that. 12:56.638 --> 13:00.680 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying like, but again, you're taking a movie that was that was made so long ago. 13:00.720 --> 13:02.041 [SPEAKER_01]: And now you're making a second one. 13:02.501 --> 13:03.902 [SPEAKER_01]: And how is that still going to feel. 13:05.008 --> 13:06.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it's still the same, maybe it's not. 13:06.709 --> 13:08.651 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it doesn't feel the same as it would be. 13:08.691 --> 13:11.013 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying with this one, you already know the people. 13:11.253 --> 13:13.715 [SPEAKER_01]: You already know kind of the idea behind it. 13:14.235 --> 13:21.882 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a matter of, you know, whether or not like you said, like if the jokes make sense, if they can deliver it the way and this and that and I get that. 13:22.282 --> 13:25.064 [SPEAKER_01]: And how dare you put that in the bearer of yours? 13:25.564 --> 13:26.665 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you'd put it on the cover. 13:27.286 --> 13:27.826 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the top. 13:27.926 --> 13:29.948 [SPEAKER_01]: No, so you're going to have flaters when you're saying? 13:30.308 --> 13:30.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 13:30.769 --> 13:30.829 [SPEAKER_01]: OK. 13:32.128 --> 13:36.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, we should get going into our AI versus Hollywood, so here we go. 14:06.902 --> 14:07.322 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:07.342 --> 14:09.523 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's one of the needs I've read of it. 14:09.543 --> 14:09.643 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:09.663 --> 14:09.823 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:09.843 --> 14:11.643 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's one of the needs I've read of it. 14:11.663 --> 14:11.783 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:11.803 --> 14:14.244 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's one of the needs I've read of it. 14:14.264 --> 14:14.404 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:14.424 --> 14:16.004 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's one of the needs I've read of it. 14:16.524 --> 14:17.365 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:17.605 --> 14:21.926 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's one of the needs I've read of it. 14:21.946 --> 14:22.146 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:22.166 --> 14:28.727 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's one of the needs I've read of it. 14:28.747 --> 14:28.947 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:29.007 --> 14:32.948 [SPEAKER_03]: I know that's one of the needs I've read of it. 14:32.968 --> 14:33.328 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah! 14:33.528 --> 14:34.949 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's one of the needs I've read of it. 14:35.169 --> 14:35.549 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah! 14:36.952 --> 14:44.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's right right at the end dude, so every time man and I hear that It's just we always go like we want to do it. 14:44.316 --> 14:50.118 [SPEAKER_01]: We whether we really want to do it, but then we go You know, and I'd be like, oh no, we'll let's let's not record that part. 14:50.178 --> 14:54.340 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so we have Our our A.I. 14:54.360 --> 14:56.381 [SPEAKER_00]: versus Hollywood movie called missing. 14:56.401 --> 15:03.825 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a crime thriller psychological thriller And before I get into act one I I need to tell you 15:04.948 --> 15:08.049 [SPEAKER_00]: what this movie is, the basic plot, what it's about, right? 15:08.709 --> 15:16.090 [SPEAKER_00]: So our very basic description, this probably would be something you would read maybe on the back of a DVD. 15:16.110 --> 15:18.650 [SPEAKER_00]: If people still buy DVDs, I don't know. 15:18.730 --> 15:21.811 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe you go on Amazon Prime and you look at the description of the movie. 15:21.951 --> 15:22.171 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 15:22.191 --> 15:22.411 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 15:22.451 --> 15:23.911 [SPEAKER_00]: So this would be that description. 15:23.951 --> 15:31.753 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a burned out Louisiana homicide detective haunted by an unsolved child murder spree from the late 1980s. 15:33.133 --> 15:35.894 [SPEAKER_00]: discovers evidence that the killer never stopped. 15:36.514 --> 15:49.919 [SPEAKER_00]: As the uncovers a 40-year trail of victims, stretching across multiple states, the investigation re-ignites an obsess in that destroyed his family, consumed his career and may ultimately destroy what remains of his soul. 15:59.651 --> 16:01.652 [SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty deep is pretty deep. 16:01.672 --> 16:04.633 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's just that what they call a log line. 16:04.653 --> 16:05.894 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the basic description. 16:05.934 --> 16:10.456 [SPEAKER_00]: So our our plot for this movie follows detective Jack Lawton. 16:11.036 --> 16:23.061 [SPEAKER_00]: He is a legendary but broken Louisiana homicide detective whose life has been consumed by a series of child murders that terrorized the state in the late 1980s. 16:24.422 --> 16:33.406 [SPEAKER_00]: when a newly murdered child bears similarities to the long dormant case, Jack becomes convinced the killer has returned. 16:34.047 --> 16:44.011 [SPEAKER_00]: Despite skepticism from his department, he begins uncovering evidence, linking decades of disappearances and murders across the Southern United States. 16:44.772 --> 16:46.533 [SPEAKER_00]: As the investigation expands, 16:47.433 --> 16:54.277 [SPEAKER_00]: Jack's obsession intensifies, straining his already fractured relationships and pushing him towards self-destruction. 16:55.158 --> 17:02.962 [SPEAKER_00]: When the case becomes personal and a member of his own family becomes a victim, Jack abandoned caution and pursues the killer with reckless determination. 17:03.762 --> 17:08.605 [SPEAKER_00]: The hunt culminates in a confrontation that leaves the killer dead and Jack forever changed. 17:09.126 --> 17:09.806 [SPEAKER_00]: In the aftermath, 17:13.775 --> 17:18.337 [SPEAKER_00]: If the obsession that defined his life is finally over or does he have any reason to keep living. 17:21.598 --> 17:28.341 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even want to say that like that's just like a day on like, and that's just not that's like just a simple plot of the movie. 17:28.541 --> 17:32.162 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not even the yes, but nation of what that's not even go. 17:32.202 --> 17:35.704 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we have we have a broken down into four different acts. 17:36.164 --> 17:38.104 [SPEAKER_00]: That's generally how I feel like a lot of these. 17:38.445 --> 17:39.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so. 17:41.020 --> 17:52.848 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do want to break down the plot before I just go ahead right right right right right right in I feel like that that's deep enough where we might have to break that down a little bit just a smidge Because we have this detective right. 17:52.868 --> 18:03.055 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's probably been a homicide detective I don't know maybe in the 80s maybe he wasn't a detective then I mean, we'll call it maybe maybe he was a big cop or something like that 18:03.415 --> 18:09.858 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he's he's been involved with police work and the department for quite a long time. 18:10.719 --> 18:13.900 [SPEAKER_00]: So I actually before we go in like, is it based in the 80s? 18:14.781 --> 18:17.222 [SPEAKER_00]: The movie is set in the in the present time. 18:17.562 --> 18:17.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 18:18.442 --> 18:19.643 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, got you. 18:19.903 --> 18:25.466 [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to make sure because I feel like, you know, when you're talking about like the late 80s, you know, I was like, okay, maybe it was just like, 18:26.187 --> 18:31.148 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's a detective at that time and maybe this happened like, you know, a decade ago or whatever. 18:31.228 --> 18:33.449 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to know, I just, you know, I just wanted to make sure. 18:33.509 --> 18:36.830 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's it's said in them, it's said in modern present time. 18:37.970 --> 18:44.852 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's been with the department and he's been involved in these investigations since the late 80s. 18:44.912 --> 18:46.192 [SPEAKER_00]: If that makes more sense. 18:46.373 --> 18:50.874 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I mean, so this guy, you know, will probably be in his late 50s. 18:51.374 --> 18:52.394 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing, right? 18:55.559 --> 19:01.524 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he's he's the type of cop obviously that he's really great at his job. 19:02.065 --> 19:19.981 [SPEAKER_00]: However, the job has consumed his entire life, leaving his family just alone, separate, you know, and so yeah, it's it's one of these very, you mean you can tell just by that basic plot of the movie that this movie is a very gritty looking movie. 19:20.618 --> 19:29.063 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I mean, hell, I mean, once we show you the photo of like the actual title and everything like you'll see and you go, okay, okay, I see why now. 19:29.264 --> 19:30.244 [SPEAKER_01]: I see why this makes sense. 19:30.604 --> 19:30.805 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 19:31.525 --> 19:32.846 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so act one. 19:34.149 --> 19:37.552 [SPEAKER_00]: The film opens on a humid summer night before you any further. 19:37.892 --> 19:42.156 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it's a fucking he would summer night here definitely feels but it's not in rural Louisiana. 19:42.196 --> 19:43.798 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, God damn. 19:43.898 --> 19:57.430 [SPEAKER_00]: So like I said before, the film opens on a humid summer night in rural Louisiana where deputies and crime scene investigators have gathered around the body of a murdered man lying beside a drainage ditch. 19:58.564 --> 20:06.473 [SPEAKER_00]: The scene feels routine, almost mundane, with younger detectives debating theories and patrol officers casually talking nearby. 20:07.114 --> 20:17.466 [SPEAKER_00]: Some believe it was a robbery, others think it was a drug deal that went bad, but the atmosphere changes completely when detective Jack Losson arrives on the scene. 20:18.415 --> 20:24.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, look at this and actually, I think we're going to tell you the pitch you were exactly right with the 55. 20:24.460 --> 20:26.002 [SPEAKER_00]: So Jack is 55 years old. 20:26.042 --> 20:27.083 [SPEAKER_00]: He looks every bit of it. 20:27.783 --> 20:29.785 [SPEAKER_00]: His face is whether to shirt his wrinkled. 20:30.326 --> 20:32.888 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a permanent exhaustion behind his eyes. 20:32.948 --> 20:35.751 [SPEAKER_00]: I suggest years of poor sleep and too much whiskey. 20:37.692 --> 20:38.113 [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. 20:38.293 --> 20:38.993 [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. 20:39.033 --> 20:40.195 [SPEAKER_01]: All you need to know is whiskey. 20:40.873 --> 20:47.537 [SPEAKER_00]: The young officers respect him, but there's also something sad about the way they look at him because they know the stories to them. 20:47.617 --> 20:52.019 [SPEAKER_00]: Jack is a legend, but he's also a reminder of what the job can do to a person. 20:54.000 --> 21:02.165 [SPEAKER_00]: So without saying much Jack studies the scene, he notices the position of the body, the drag marks, the dirt, the way the victim's wallet is left untouched. 21:03.289 --> 21:13.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Only after a few minutes, he calmly explains that the victim knew his killers, that they were two suspects instead of one, and that they fled in a truck parked further down the road. 21:13.734 --> 21:18.236 [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody asks him how he knows because they've all seen him do this too many times before. 21:18.837 --> 21:21.898 [SPEAKER_00]: Jack simply sees things as other people miss. 21:24.259 --> 21:27.621 [SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, like I said, he's obviously a great detective. 21:28.721 --> 21:31.102 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you think about your age for example, right? 21:32.707 --> 21:34.789 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a late 80s, right? 21:34.829 --> 21:37.071 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he's 55 now, right? 21:37.091 --> 21:39.233 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's say he's been a cop this entire time. 21:39.753 --> 21:41.054 [SPEAKER_01]: He's had no breaks, no nothing. 21:42.095 --> 21:46.859 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, after a while, I feel like you kind of just, it's almost like a routine. 21:46.879 --> 21:48.501 [SPEAKER_01]: You almost like, you already know what's gonna come. 21:48.801 --> 21:52.524 [SPEAKER_01]: And you already like already seeing like five steps ahead because you already have dealt with this. 21:53.412 --> 21:56.133 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, probably many, many of times count when it's time. 21:56.193 --> 21:56.413 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:56.453 --> 22:03.435 [SPEAKER_00]: So in in his case, he's you quickly understand and you learn that Jack is brilliant at his job. 22:04.395 --> 22:09.636 [SPEAKER_00]: I think him like just rolling up to the scene and being like, oh, yeah, there was two suspects. 22:09.656 --> 22:10.397 [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't in a truck. 22:10.417 --> 22:11.177 [SPEAKER_00]: It was parked up there. 22:12.417 --> 22:14.698 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're all just like, well, son of a bitch. 22:14.838 --> 22:15.078 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 22:15.618 --> 22:15.878 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, 22:18.254 --> 22:20.275 [SPEAKER_00]: He's great at being a detective. 22:20.315 --> 22:28.140 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows what he sees when he gets on to the scene, but he's miserable everywhere else. 22:28.800 --> 22:34.023 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, he returns home to a cluttered house that barely feels lived in. 22:34.804 --> 22:39.926 [SPEAKER_00]: He spends all of his evenings drinking whiskey while an old television plays in the background. 22:39.946 --> 22:45.710 [SPEAKER_00]: There are framed family photos sitting on shelves, but they're covered in dust and they feel more like their artifacts. 22:46.808 --> 22:49.669 [SPEAKER_00]: from another life, then reminders of happier times. 22:50.269 --> 22:54.851 [SPEAKER_00]: His marriage ended years ago, his daughter rarely returns his phone calls. 22:57.032 --> 22:59.473 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a depressing sin. 22:59.533 --> 23:00.293 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all I can see. 23:00.874 --> 23:08.356 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really just that traumatic experience of his life just dedicating his life to 100% police work. 23:10.213 --> 23:12.655 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's keep this in mind, too. 23:12.675 --> 23:16.257 [SPEAKER_01]: And so when you're talking about the jobs that you want to take. 23:16.277 --> 23:28.026 [SPEAKER_01]: So when you talk about, let's say law enforcement or let's say EMS or firefighting or being in the military, like any kinds of these jobs depending on what it is. 23:28.667 --> 23:30.408 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this takes a real toll. 23:30.428 --> 23:33.390 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the fact that it's showing you, I guess, in a different light. 23:33.951 --> 23:35.232 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unfortunately, I hate saying it. 23:35.272 --> 23:38.354 [SPEAKER_01]: How many movies do we see that this has happened? 23:39.373 --> 23:53.800 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and especially like you see a cop and you know, they come home when they, you know, they're divorced or, you know, maybe their wife's passed on and maybe they have a kid or two, but now they know what he's, you know, reaching out to them anymore and they're kind of a lone wolf, you know, and there's nobody close to them to keep them in line. 23:53.840 --> 24:00.483 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you know, so I mean, it's, it's a reality of this situation because you look at real everyday cops, this happens. 24:00.943 --> 24:04.245 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, that's what I mean, and that's what I'm saying, like, you know, it's not like blue blood. 24:05.556 --> 24:07.837 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, you have a family of it, but yeah. 24:07.977 --> 24:21.382 [SPEAKER_00]: It does happen in that show, just not to like obviously the main extent, not the main family, but there are, you know, there are other officers that have gotten in trouble and have done stuff and take things like two serious, but anyways. 24:21.942 --> 24:26.184 [SPEAKER_00]: So we see, we see Jack and we see how he lives at, you know, at his house. 24:26.244 --> 24:28.505 [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably one of those. 24:29.850 --> 24:35.273 [SPEAKER_00]: bleak kind of like looking how like it's it's not a great looking place probably was at one point. 24:36.134 --> 24:36.894 [SPEAKER_00]: When his wife was around. 24:37.134 --> 24:45.179 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but now it's just it's a place where he sleeps and drinks and goes back to work like it's just a dumping ground basically. 24:45.219 --> 24:52.163 [SPEAKER_00]: So as Jack moves through his daily routine the audience begins noticing missing child posters scattered throughout the community. 24:53.252 --> 25:02.479 [SPEAKER_00]: The hang, the hang on billboards, gas station windows, telephone poles, but nobody pays attention to them because they have become part of everyday life. 25:03.120 --> 25:09.244 [SPEAKER_00]: The posters are almost treated like background noise, another unfortunate reality that people have learned to live with. 25:10.365 --> 25:13.728 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything changes though when a child's body is discovered. 25:15.469 --> 25:18.872 [SPEAKER_00]: And then here's what starts the obsession, oh God. 25:19.597 --> 25:27.462 [SPEAKER_00]: The murder immediately shocks the community since investigators scrambling for answers, but Jack's reaction is different from everybody else's. 25:28.003 --> 25:30.745 [SPEAKER_00]: Something about the scene feels familiar to him. 25:31.465 --> 25:36.028 [SPEAKER_00]: Small details, catches attention, trigger memories that he spent decades trying to bury. 25:37.089 --> 25:47.716 [SPEAKER_00]: As he stands over the body, the audience has taken back to 1987 when a young patrol officer named Jack Lotton witnessed the beginning of one of Louisiana's most horrifying 25:50.336 --> 25:53.477 [SPEAKER_00]: Over the course of three years, children disappeared across the state. 25:53.677 --> 25:57.399 [SPEAKER_00]: Some bodies were recovered, while others were never found at all. 25:57.879 --> 26:03.521 [SPEAKER_00]: Search parties, com, swamps, and forces, frightened parents, kept their children indoors. 26:03.581 --> 26:08.363 [SPEAKER_00]: Entire communities lived in fear of a killer who seemed to vanish into thin air. 26:08.963 --> 26:12.185 [SPEAKER_00]: Then almost to meet, as sun and as it began, the murder stopped. 26:12.785 --> 26:17.287 [SPEAKER_00]: No suspect was ever identified, no rest were made, and eventually the rest of the world moved on. 26:18.460 --> 26:19.321 [SPEAKER_00]: Jack never did. 26:20.163 --> 26:30.718 [SPEAKER_00]: So standing over this new victim, he becomes convinced that the nightmare he has carried for 40 years might have finally returned. 26:30.758 --> 26:31.759 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know the same amount. 26:31.779 --> 26:33.842 [SPEAKER_01]: That's still, I mean, that's a good first. 26:34.877 --> 26:43.623 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like opening of the movie, you know, kind of, I mean, it's probably maybe like opening maybe, you know, it could be like 30 minutes in ish kind of. 26:43.643 --> 26:45.744 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, you, you kind of see him. 26:45.764 --> 26:54.289 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he, he starts, the movie immediately starts on us on a case on a scene, like a scene where they found a murdered man. 26:54.890 --> 26:57.752 [SPEAKER_00]: So immediately starts there, you know, and he. 26:58.883 --> 27:04.107 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you see the detectives and you see like, you know, the younger detectives and the patrol officers, you see the scene. 27:04.747 --> 27:12.914 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Jack, you know, pulls in and he does his thing and probably just he probably just says what he says and then he's like, see, yeah, back at the station. 27:13.234 --> 27:21.960 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and then it, you know, it does follow him back home, where we see what he's living like, which isn't really living. 27:22.020 --> 27:23.341 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just existing, right? 27:28.860 --> 27:31.022 [SPEAKER_00]: going on calls and doing some other stuff. 27:31.042 --> 27:41.852 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could see like this whole thing where he's moving through his daily routine, you know, going into the station, maybe patrolling around with it with a partner or maybe he's by himself. 27:42.032 --> 27:42.693 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea. 27:43.935 --> 28:11.674 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's you see him like driving maybe down the street and there's you know missing child posters like spotted everywhere like it says and then he gets that call where there's a child body that was found and that changes the whole tone of the of the movie if it wasn't dark enough to start with this is where the tone gets darker and he begins that obsession right. 28:12.508 --> 28:20.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and then I guess the question is, is like, you know, should we really immediately trust, you know, detect object one, you know, at first? 28:21.237 --> 28:33.770 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't, I mean, it's one of those weird fine lines where I don't know, you really don't know if he's like a good guy or if he's just burnt out like a burnt out cop. 28:34.534 --> 28:49.312 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, if you think about it like that, so like, you know, I'm not saying he's not a good guy, right, but like if you're looking at it in this case, you're thinking to yourself like Even as a burned out like in any job as we both know, um, 28:50.275 --> 29:17.462 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, are you really that effective, you know, are you really that effective in the way you want to, you know, treat a case or, you know, how are you going to be any different, you know, from one guy versus the other like maybe he doesn't maybe he misses things that he should have like he should have already known or something like that, you know, like we don't know that that answer quite yet because again, you know, this is one still the first act, but I mean, I think I think he's naturally just good at being a detective because he's been. 29:18.546 --> 29:34.272 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been doing it for so long, but I think when you first see him roll up on that scene, there's not like that same drive that he probably had, I don't know, what 20, 30 years before, where he was. 29:35.543 --> 29:38.466 [SPEAKER_00]: going to scenes, looking to solve the case. 29:38.846 --> 29:50.637 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this, for me, when I read that part of it, I really see him just walking up into that scene and basically just being like, yeah, two people killed him. 29:51.497 --> 30:15.808 [SPEAKER_00]: they went away like they went in a truck and it was not like he's just explaining to them like what his gut is telling them by observing right the part of the I was about to say the park patterns now the the markings on the ground like you know seeing that there's probably some skid marks somewhere there yeah he's analyzing the scene and he's basically saying like this is this is probably what happened because most likely 30:17.309 --> 30:42.642 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's saying that a grown man can carry another grown, you know, dead man, I guess, but yeah, you probably want to have another person to have in case there's a lack of there's a lack of that emotional connection that you would think like a detective would want to like, yeah, we need to get this process and get it out of here like let's go there's just none of that it's just him going to the motion going through the motions and then moving on. 30:43.712 --> 30:49.554 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, this next one of real quick is like, you know, is Jack really a hero or cautionary tale? 30:49.634 --> 30:52.474 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, I would still say it's too early. 30:52.494 --> 30:55.155 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if it's that's where you already kind of read the plot. 30:55.255 --> 30:57.196 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe he's a little bit of both. 30:57.636 --> 31:12.620 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe he does have that heroic kind of, you know, status about him in some ways, but like, yeah, it isn't a cautionary tale, because you know, there is, I feel like this is a lot to do with, especially the jobs that you're working, but like, I know, and especially like law enforcement. 31:13.360 --> 31:32.148 [SPEAKER_01]: you can't tell me that there isn't going to be a case that isn't going to piss you off or there isn't going to be one that, you know, that got away or, you know, you find the killer and you want to smack the shit out of him, you know, whatever whatever the case is, I mean, you know, I can't, I mean, how many comp shows have you watched or how many things that you've seen like there's always that one guy's like, 31:32.788 --> 31:41.255 [SPEAKER_01]: Have I find that motherfucker, you know, and then they like in the mud saying that they don't and they do and then all of a sudden they're like, now they want to be the shit out of them are now they want to do something about it. 31:41.275 --> 31:58.971 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, with his case with the cautionary tale, I mean, I think that it's like a reminder of, you know, sometimes the work that you do, you know, you're going to have consequences, you know, whether they're good, bad, whatever, but like there's always going to be something that is going to. 32:00.604 --> 32:05.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, drive you to a point where, you know, is this really going to be still worth my time? 32:06.106 --> 32:07.947 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, still worth my purpose of doing this. 32:08.508 --> 32:10.168 [SPEAKER_01]: So that just may. 32:10.228 --> 32:24.134 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe you have a different take on it, but I just feel like right now we don't really know, but I see that there's going to be probably both, you know, I mean, I think I think you really don't learn much about Jack from him arriving 32:31.988 --> 32:32.428 [SPEAKER_00]: detective. 32:32.608 --> 32:46.514 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's obviously really, you know, really good at his job and there is a dedication to it, but it's almost to the point of where he's, he's already accepting the negative outcome of every case. 32:47.034 --> 32:48.175 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not looking at. 32:49.397 --> 33:11.722 [SPEAKER_00]: the bright you know the bright side of it or trying to save people he already understands like this guy was this guy was killed who cares like he's already dead let's just solve the thing arrest of the stupid assholes that did it and move on like right that's kind of his attitude you know not really like focused on like oh my god this guy is dead now because two people were selfish 33:12.820 --> 33:15.281 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, he's not focused on that aspect of it. 33:16.102 --> 33:27.069 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, unfortunately, that negative aspect of it, where like the dude's dead, like, like just solve the thing and move on, like there's other cases, but unfortunately, that's also part of the job. 33:27.289 --> 33:29.030 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're, you're talking about being numb. 33:29.330 --> 33:30.631 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, that's where he's at. 33:30.671 --> 33:31.131 [SPEAKER_01]: He's known. 33:31.491 --> 33:31.651 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 33:31.691 --> 33:32.412 [SPEAKER_01]: I only know. 33:32.472 --> 33:34.193 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, doesn't give a shit about anything else. 33:34.233 --> 33:35.954 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the kind of going into this next one. 33:36.594 --> 33:38.716 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, the, the other aspect is, 33:39.745 --> 33:40.305 [SPEAKER_00]: his drinking. 33:40.666 --> 33:41.887 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's true. 33:42.027 --> 33:57.599 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because if the dude's always drinking whiskey, then he's going at some level to these scenes, you'll have to imagine like there's some level of maybe drunkenness that he's going into these scenes, or maybe not being drunk, but severely hungover. 33:57.619 --> 33:58.900 [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on. 33:58.980 --> 34:00.241 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say it. 34:00.501 --> 34:00.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 34:00.821 --> 34:05.565 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're talking about this particular cop in general, don't be surprised if this man has a flask. 34:06.444 --> 34:07.765 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're not being surprised at all. 34:07.785 --> 34:13.051 [SPEAKER_01]: Please surprise if he carries it with him and then just does this thing and then he walks off and then he takes another swing and gets in the car. 34:13.511 --> 34:14.292 [SPEAKER_01]: It almost does whatever. 34:15.153 --> 34:15.813 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying it. 34:16.194 --> 34:17.835 [SPEAKER_01]: In this case, I see that happening. 34:17.855 --> 34:22.740 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, kind of moving on here, but like, it's a good question. 34:22.780 --> 34:23.561 [SPEAKER_01]: This one's a hard one. 34:23.581 --> 34:26.704 [SPEAKER_01]: Like how many detectives are destroyed by one case? 34:28.315 --> 34:46.709 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I mean, I will say this, I think as a whole, I mean, yeah, I think there's there is always going to be and then unfortunately I think it's I think it's one tough I think it is a tough or scenario if we're talking just about murdered people in general, like, 34:47.490 --> 35:03.419 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he probably would be on a level that's okay, but I think when we're talking about a 40-year history of murder children, children who are missing, that to me takes would take a toll on any, oh, absolutely, anybody. 35:03.620 --> 35:08.583 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're talking a guy who's probably seeing countless of deaths, countless of 35:09.855 --> 35:31.323 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, probably missing, you know, individuals, whether they're children or adults or whatever and you know, that kind of goes into, you know, this next one, but like, you know, when do we, you know, when do we start to normalize this, like, you know, this whole, like, you know, in the scene or like what you were describing about the missing posters in the background, you know, how is it that now it's become this normalized thing? 35:31.863 --> 35:37.225 [SPEAKER_01]: Because now we're thinking to ourselves like, oh, is this just, okay, well, my kid got kidnapped and I guess there's nothing else I can do about it. 35:38.758 --> 35:39.438 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 35:39.498 --> 35:59.511 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I guess if they're, I mean, depending on which way you look at this, I mean, I have this, this one thing I could think of, but, you know, for example, like, you know, I know in the military, like they had this little court case, or this like, missing people in certain areas in Texas, that's all I must say, you know, and it's sad because all these soldiers were missing. 35:59.872 --> 36:06.436 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, finally, like something was being done about, but we're talking like, it was like five, almost 10 people that were missing. 36:07.361 --> 36:19.128 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we've normalized that and it's fine, but like now we're talking about this and God knows how many fucking missing posters are in the background and now we're just like, oh, I guess, you know, I guess my kids missing, I guess we'll just move on, I guess we'll have another one. 36:20.142 --> 36:21.503 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize that was phenomenal. 36:21.543 --> 36:22.304 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know what I mean? 36:22.344 --> 36:25.126 [SPEAKER_00]: Like is that you or our kids just went missing? 36:25.366 --> 36:26.227 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just have another one. 36:26.267 --> 36:27.087 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just have another one. 36:27.107 --> 36:28.308 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just replace a little fucker. 36:28.348 --> 36:29.309 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? 36:29.369 --> 36:30.670 [SPEAKER_01]: But seriously, how is that normal? 36:30.750 --> 36:35.033 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like if my son watched it was missing, I'd be like, what the fuck man? 36:35.654 --> 36:37.615 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be fucking moving guy to, you know. 36:37.976 --> 36:41.158 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that like the community itself doesn't care. 36:41.178 --> 36:46.943 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously like the parents are probably beyond the point of being traumatized. 36:47.932 --> 37:01.601 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's one of those things where the community just has seen it over and over and over and over, where when a child gets missing, it's like, Yeah, that's no surprise. 37:01.641 --> 37:04.763 [SPEAKER_00]: It happens in this in this state like all, you know, 37:06.265 --> 37:08.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it sucks for everybody involved. 37:09.046 --> 37:16.528 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that it doesn't, but I'm saying when you see another poster going up, it's like, a fuck, another kid missing with the hell. 37:16.688 --> 37:17.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, no offense. 37:17.648 --> 37:19.088 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't help that you're in Louisiana. 37:19.108 --> 37:20.709 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a bunch of fucking swamps around either. 37:20.789 --> 37:23.510 [SPEAKER_01]: So just saying, you know, I'm just throwing it out there. 37:23.590 --> 37:24.150 [SPEAKER_01]: It does not help. 37:24.330 --> 37:24.670 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 37:24.690 --> 37:25.490 [SPEAKER_00]: So act two. 37:27.251 --> 37:28.931 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, good old act two. 37:29.291 --> 37:31.152 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me pull this badly up real quick. 37:31.452 --> 37:31.792 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 37:31.852 --> 37:32.112 [SPEAKER_01]: So. 37:33.058 --> 37:34.098 [SPEAKER_01]: the hunt, right? 37:34.118 --> 37:43.461 [SPEAKER_01]: So in the following, or sorry, in the days following the child's murder, right, Jack quietly begins reopening files that haven't been touched in decades, okay? 37:44.001 --> 37:51.183 [SPEAKER_01]: He spends hours in evidence storage digging through dusty boxes and yellow paper, or sorry, yellow reports from the late 1980s. 37:51.523 --> 37:53.904 [SPEAKER_01]: The more he reads, the more he can he basically 38:00.726 --> 38:06.732 [SPEAKER_01]: Some small details from the new crime scene match details that were never made public during the original investigation. 38:06.992 --> 38:09.294 [SPEAKER_01]: To everyone else, the similarities are insignificant. 38:09.714 --> 38:12.657 [SPEAKER_01]: To Jack, they are impossible to ignore. 38:12.677 --> 38:14.559 [SPEAKER_01]: His appears are skeptical. 38:14.619 --> 38:19.724 [SPEAKER_01]: The original case was one of the most expensive and exhaustive investigations in Louisiana history. 38:20.620 --> 38:23.661 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God damn, and it ended with nothing. 38:24.001 --> 38:24.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that sucks too. 38:25.381 --> 38:37.245 [SPEAKER_01]: They believe Jack is also allowing old trauma to cloud his judgment and see this new case as an isolated tragedy, even as partner detective Ethan Cole initially struggles to believe him. 38:37.705 --> 38:42.186 [SPEAKER_01]: Ethan respects Jack's reputation and knows he's one of the best detectives he's ever worked with. 38:42.766 --> 38:52.513 [SPEAKER_01]: But he also sees an aging man who never truly escape the ghost of his past, despite the pushback, Jack keeps digging, right? 38:52.533 --> 38:56.956 [SPEAKER_01]: He begins contacting retired investigators requesting old case files from neighboring states. 38:57.676 --> 39:00.358 [SPEAKER_01]: What starts is a hunch slowly turns into something terrifying. 39:01.079 --> 39:05.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Missing children in Arkansas, share similarities with the victims in Louisiana. 39:05.782 --> 39:06.162 [SPEAKER_01]: as well. 39:07.584 --> 39:11.066 [SPEAKER_01]: Unidentified remains discovered in Mississippi, interesting. 39:11.787 --> 39:21.635 [SPEAKER_01]: Seeing to fit the timeline of disappearances from decades earlier, cases in Texas, Tennessee and Alabama suddenly begin lining up in ways nobody had ever considered. 39:22.315 --> 39:23.376 [SPEAKER_00]: See, this isn't bullshit. 39:23.997 --> 39:25.198 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that's pretty. 39:25.718 --> 39:26.339 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying. 39:27.150 --> 39:53.450 [SPEAKER_00]: we we have this detective like we've already know that he is good at his job right like we're saying like we've already seen it in the movie where he he already knows what he's looking for in certain cases it's by observation it's by years of experience and we have this guy who's like wait I think this might be connected 39:55.015 --> 39:59.837 [SPEAKER_00]: through this whole entire other case, and it's not like it was like some random case from 1987. 39:59.858 --> 40:05.821 [SPEAKER_00]: No, this was like you said it was one of the, uh, what did you say? 40:05.981 --> 40:08.762 [SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the longest and most exhaustive. 40:09.242 --> 40:10.243 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cases ever. 40:10.303 --> 40:12.184 [SPEAKER_00]: Investigations in Louisiana history. 40:12.424 --> 40:14.145 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a big deal. 40:14.165 --> 40:14.745 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 40:14.785 --> 40:16.006 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a big fucking deal. 40:16.786 --> 40:19.328 [SPEAKER_00]: And his superiors are basically 40:20.432 --> 40:24.475 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, oh, Jack, that's your, that's your trauma speaking, like, show the plug up. 40:24.495 --> 40:27.577 [SPEAKER_00]: Just go back to your fucking whiskey and it's shut the fuck up. 40:27.597 --> 40:29.318 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to often do whatever you do and do it. 40:29.698 --> 40:30.639 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but I agree with you. 40:30.659 --> 40:33.561 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the fact that nobody was really taking this seriously. 40:33.681 --> 40:35.963 [SPEAKER_01]: And then this guy literally goes above and beyond. 40:36.643 --> 40:41.146 [SPEAKER_01]: And looks at other cases, literally in the surrounding states around this area. 40:41.186 --> 40:44.468 [SPEAKER_00]: And this just tell, I mean, this whole act too. 40:44.529 --> 40:48.731 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're not even done with act too yet, but this whole beginning part of act too, 40:49.772 --> 41:06.390 [SPEAKER_00]: is showing exactly why his family left him, why he's living in such a crappy look in place, because it's this obsession, like when he catches a case, his brain just goes all in. 41:07.270 --> 41:12.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and so this is the hard part, man, and it's like, and this is why I've said this, too, is that 41:13.349 --> 41:16.532 [SPEAKER_01]: When you think about, even in our line of work, right? 41:16.692 --> 41:32.886 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's hard when you have to let something happen because there's nothing you can physically do about it in that timeframe, because I can't tell you how many times I've had to, you know, sorry, I guess I can't find you, you know, a place to stay today, you're gonna have to go sleep on the street. 41:33.997 --> 41:40.621 [SPEAKER_01]: And now knowing that and then I have to go home and then I have to go take care of my family and then, you know, still in the back of my mind thinking, okay, well, what am I going to do about this? 41:41.361 --> 41:46.484 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a little different, but I'm just saying it's that same feeling of what the fuck can I do? 41:46.744 --> 41:47.244 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, how right? 41:47.264 --> 41:48.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it is, it is that. 41:48.805 --> 41:52.267 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, it's not quite the same, but it is the same in ways. 41:52.347 --> 42:01.973 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, I mean, we have to sometimes tell people like, you know, I'm sorry, but you're, you're housing or you're, you know, whatever, whatever fell through. 42:03.852 --> 42:08.015 [SPEAKER_00]: We have no choice, but to just discharge you back home. 42:08.376 --> 42:08.776 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 42:08.836 --> 42:16.222 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're back home might be, you know, asky park or some fucking carbohydrates on the side of the road. 42:16.242 --> 42:16.682 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, right. 42:16.822 --> 42:25.890 [SPEAKER_00]: And we know for a fact that like if they didn't go to some type of sober housing or they didn't get somewhere placed, that was going to help them. 42:27.032 --> 42:52.742 [SPEAKER_01]: They will be 100% using as soon as they walk out that front door and I don't even that and they'll probably share right the fuck back up because that's that's how the circle is I mean, but in this case, I mean, we're talking decades of shit where 1987 was this case, right, 1987 talking decades of of shit going on right now and this guy now has to I mean, because he knows that he he was a part of this a long time ago. 42:53.042 --> 43:18.628 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and now as a patrol officer, yeah, and so now you're talking from that and now he's he's doing it as a detective so many years later, and now having to realize like, okay, well, in the Louisiana in Arkansas and Mississippi and Tennessee and Alabama, like all these are the places and you're like, you fucking didn't want to look at all this you're just like Albert's coming so right now we have Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, don't see Texas. 43:19.648 --> 43:21.668 [SPEAKER_00]: Trying to see Alabama. 43:22.049 --> 43:24.829 [SPEAKER_00]: That's six different states, right? 43:25.129 --> 43:31.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Now some of them nearby and some of them are, you know, further out, but yeah, it's still, I mean, it's still in a vicinity of like, what the fuck? 43:31.871 --> 43:36.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we didn't wanna like talk about this with other states or like, you know, the match, something, I don't know. 43:37.132 --> 43:39.032 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we're just like, what the fuck is going on here? 43:39.072 --> 43:40.732 [SPEAKER_01]: But let me keep reading here. 43:40.752 --> 43:42.873 [SPEAKER_01]: So the realization is horrifying. 43:42.973 --> 43:44.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no shit, because we've already mentioned that. 43:45.313 --> 43:46.234 [SPEAKER_01]: The killer never stopped. 43:46.994 --> 43:47.554 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't say. 43:48.274 --> 43:51.475 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why this, I mean, if he did stop, then I guess there'd be no story. 43:51.555 --> 44:00.137 [SPEAKER_01]: But for nearly 40 years, he has continued taking children while staying invisible by spreading his crimes across multiple states and jurisdictions. 44:00.177 --> 44:00.397 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 44:00.417 --> 44:12.141 [SPEAKER_01]: So what authorities believed was a three-year killing spree may actually be, oh my god, be one of the largest and long longest-running serial murder cases in American history. 44:12.941 --> 44:15.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Holy fuck is all I got to say. 44:16.002 --> 44:19.824 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the man they failed to catch in 1987 just didn't disappear. 44:19.844 --> 44:22.285 [SPEAKER_01]: He simply adapted Holy fuck. 44:22.345 --> 44:27.427 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the longest running and the largest Holy fuck man. 44:27.447 --> 44:28.507 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean especially back then. 44:28.987 --> 44:29.187 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 44:29.607 --> 44:30.768 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean god damn. 44:30.908 --> 44:37.110 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean to be doing this in like 1987 and then before basically forensics, but yeah. 44:37.330 --> 44:39.311 [SPEAKER_00]: Understanding that now it's 44:42.349 --> 44:47.211 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's like, wow, well, again, and this was before technically forensics. 44:47.551 --> 44:48.452 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was the other thing. 44:48.492 --> 44:51.013 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, so now this guy could do it over the fucking wanted. 44:51.033 --> 44:52.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was still doing it. 44:52.954 --> 44:54.975 [SPEAKER_01]: And then now he was like, hey, you know what? 44:54.995 --> 44:56.776 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like killing another child again. 44:56.816 --> 44:57.876 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me go get him real quick. 44:58.296 --> 44:59.697 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, dumbass, we guess what? 44:59.737 --> 45:01.118 [SPEAKER_01]: We already know there's a bunch of cases. 45:02.258 --> 45:06.762 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, right, the discovery awakens something inside Jack that has been dormant for years. 45:07.163 --> 45:11.827 [SPEAKER_01]: The burned out detective who drifted through life at the beginning of the film solely disappears. 45:12.327 --> 45:18.012 [SPEAKER_01]: He begins staying at the office overnight, sleeping in a chair whenever exhaustion finally catches up to him. 45:18.752 --> 45:23.216 [SPEAKER_01]: His workspace becomes buried beneath maps, photographs, timelines, and stacks of case files. 45:24.237 --> 45:28.881 [SPEAKER_01]: He barely goes home anymore because the hunt has given him something he hasn't felt in a very long time. 45:31.101 --> 45:32.143 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that would be a good thing. 45:32.303 --> 45:32.744 [SPEAKER_01]: A porpice? 45:32.964 --> 45:33.405 [SPEAKER_01]: A porpice? 45:33.905 --> 45:34.266 [SPEAKER_01]: A dolphin? 45:34.466 --> 45:34.987 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, what? 45:35.147 --> 45:36.329 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a longer act than I thought. 45:37.050 --> 45:38.072 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a pretty long one. 45:38.452 --> 45:43.901 [SPEAKER_01]: The tragedy is that the thing making you feel alive again is the same obsession that destroyed his life in the first place. 45:45.960 --> 45:46.660 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I run it. 45:47.181 --> 45:52.224 [SPEAKER_01]: He thought it was a, don't say, either notices the change immediately. 45:52.504 --> 45:56.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Jack becomes more focused, more intense and more unpredictable with each passing day. 45:57.027 --> 46:01.449 [SPEAKER_01]: He starts chasing leads on his own and disappears without telling anyone where he's going. 46:02.070 --> 46:06.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Ignores orders, skip speedings and seems completely a concern. 46:06.633 --> 46:07.953 [SPEAKER_01]: Consumed by the investigation. 46:08.894 --> 46:11.916 [SPEAKER_01]: Ethan slowly begins to realize that Jack isn't simply working a case. 46:12.156 --> 46:15.138 [SPEAKER_01]: He's reliving the most defining event of his entire life. 46:15.941 --> 46:20.422 [SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, the audience begins to see the damage of its obsession has caused over the years. 46:21.103 --> 46:25.584 [SPEAKER_01]: One night, Jack drinks himself into oblivion, and his ex-wife is forced to pick him up from a local bar. 46:26.184 --> 46:33.006 [SPEAKER_01]: The ride home isn't filled with a screaming, oh, sorry, it's screaming, oh yeah, our accusations because those emotions were now long ago. 46:33.506 --> 46:35.687 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead, there is only sadness and disappointment. 46:36.978 --> 46:38.339 [SPEAKER_01]: I can only imagine that conversation. 46:39.179 --> 46:45.381 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't lose his family because of one terrible decision. 46:45.721 --> 46:54.425 [SPEAKER_01]: He lost them slowly, one missed birthday at a time, one canceled vacation at a time, one promise broken because another lead seemed more important. 46:54.845 --> 47:03.028 [SPEAKER_01]: She reminds him that he spent so many years chasing monsters that he never realized he wasn't, or he was becoming a stranger to the people who he loved or loved him. 47:03.808 --> 47:06.894 [SPEAKER_01]: The conversation hits Jack Harder than any argument ever could. 47:07.375 --> 47:09.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be a very, very hard conversation. 47:10.701 --> 47:12.504 [SPEAKER_01]: Later, he tries to reconnect with his daughter. 47:12.824 --> 47:15.509 [SPEAKER_01]: He calls her several times, but she rarely answers. 47:16.492 --> 47:34.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually he shows up at her house hoping that seeing her in person will somehow fix the years of distance between them and said he discovers just how much time he's lost there are family photographs on the wall that don't include him there are stories and memories he knows nothing about his daughter is an angry anymore and she simply learned how to live without him out. 47:43.985 --> 47:49.949 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that would hit even like someone like me like oh, yeah, I mean if I wouldn't hit you man I don't know what to fucking say. 47:50.109 --> 48:12.264 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you walk into a person that you think is family like even you could say like yes the wife whatever But your own daughter someone that he would consider 100% like you're my daughter like I would trust that I would still you would want to still have me in your life like no 48:13.455 --> 48:23.257 [SPEAKER_00]: There's photographs on the walls of family that he is not included in, like that would have probably destroyed him in this moment. 48:23.537 --> 48:23.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 48:24.117 --> 48:27.478 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that really, well, right here, the realization devastating, right? 48:27.498 --> 48:32.799 [SPEAKER_01]: So for the first time, Jack begins to understand that catching the killer won't magically repair everything. 48:33.299 --> 48:34.459 [SPEAKER_01]: He sacrificed over the years. 48:34.899 --> 48:38.920 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if he solves the case, there are things in his life that can never be put back together. 48:39.560 --> 48:43.123 [SPEAKER_01]: As the investigation continues, the number of potential victims keeps growing. 48:43.744 --> 48:48.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Every new piece of evidence reveals another family that never received answers in another child. 48:48.128 --> 48:51.691 [SPEAKER_01]: His name was slowly forgotten by everyone except the people who loved him. 48:52.511 --> 48:59.217 [SPEAKER_01]: The weight of those discovery settles heavily on Jack Shoulders because he realizes that this case is even bigger than he imagined. 48:59.938 --> 49:02.040 [SPEAKER_01]: That this isn't the monster's brief reign of terror. 49:02.640 --> 49:04.942 [SPEAKER_01]: This is an entire lifetime of murder. 49:05.902 --> 49:08.283 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here's the sad part about this. 49:08.363 --> 49:23.306 [SPEAKER_01]: I before we, you know, do some other stuff here, is that it sucks because this is why I'm saying, depending on the job you take, I mean, in Jack's case, I look at him and I go, you know, when is enough? 49:24.546 --> 49:29.707 [SPEAKER_01]: When do you have to divide that line of trying to balance? 49:29.747 --> 49:31.427 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the hardest part in life. 49:31.927 --> 49:32.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, ready? 49:33.388 --> 49:35.248 [SPEAKER_01]: Good, good life lesson for all of you. 49:36.034 --> 49:39.857 [SPEAKER_01]: When is the right time to cut your losses? 49:40.717 --> 49:44.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Because the reality is, you cannot save everyone. 49:44.880 --> 49:53.807 [SPEAKER_01]: And the issue is, in Jack's case, he is so driven by the fact that he's trying to save these families. 49:54.127 --> 49:55.308 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it's sad. 49:56.329 --> 49:56.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it is. 49:56.929 --> 49:58.590 [SPEAKER_01]: It is very sad that you had to do that. 49:58.610 --> 49:59.811 [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty fucking traumatic dude. 49:59.831 --> 50:03.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm just saying at the same time, you're one guy. 50:04.813 --> 50:08.415 [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot, you cannot take all those burden on yourself. 50:08.795 --> 50:10.655 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's exactly what he's doing. 50:10.836 --> 50:11.816 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's exactly what he's doing. 50:11.836 --> 50:16.958 [SPEAKER_01]: And the problem is, is he has to realize that, and I'm glad he now realizes it, but it's way too fucking late. 50:17.558 --> 50:19.899 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you spent all this time. 50:21.280 --> 50:25.702 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that it's not important to try to figure out and to save the day and do all this. 50:26.815 --> 50:29.418 [SPEAKER_01]: But you do have a life of your own, because guess what? 50:29.458 --> 50:30.899 [SPEAKER_01]: The job isn't always going to be there. 50:31.100 --> 50:43.974 [SPEAKER_00]: And see, this is where I think it, I mean, for him right now, I mean, his family is gone outside of, I think, being a Louisiana homicide detective, there's not much else. 50:44.294 --> 50:47.698 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that he really looks at himself as something else. 50:48.115 --> 50:49.235 [SPEAKER_01]: No, but that's that's one of them. 50:49.275 --> 50:56.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though I think deep down like I want to be a good dad, but Everybody I mean at this point. 50:56.157 --> 51:10.102 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like everybody else has apparently moved on without me and all I have is this so it's like one Or I I just need to keep jumping into this because this is the only thing that keeps me alive and honestly, I like I know that this is like 51:10.942 --> 51:24.529 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the whole part of the, you know, this is the whole plot of the movie, this this 40 year case, but I feel like even if another case where he gets a call and says, hey, we found I'm, you know, a murdered prostitute in the swamps. 51:26.070 --> 51:31.393 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be the next obsession, like he wouldn't just be like, you know what, I need to just take a break. 51:32.313 --> 51:33.774 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, as soon as he gets that call, it would be like. 51:34.642 --> 51:35.563 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'll be there in 10. 51:35.863 --> 51:36.724 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's the other thing. 51:37.264 --> 51:43.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Think about how many, if you're thinking about actual concern about it, how many cases do you think that these guys have, and gals, it doesn't matter who. 51:44.630 --> 51:46.591 [SPEAKER_01]: How many cases do you think they have on their plates? 51:46.872 --> 51:53.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, at most times, I would think anywhere between, I wouldn't say like 100, I would definitely say anywhere for what we'll call like 15 to 25. 51:55.702 --> 52:02.725 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say not be somewhere with 15, 20, but I'm sure that there are other cases that they just can't work because there's just not any new information. 52:03.025 --> 52:15.891 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that, and maybe there's, again, there's not, like you're saying, like it's either there's still, or maybe there's still actively going and there's still, I mean, no, no, every detective's case is like blue bloods and gets solved every single episode. 52:16.191 --> 52:20.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I never said that, I'm just saying, I'm just saying in this case, it's like, you're thinking of reality. 52:20.613 --> 52:24.735 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this guy's probably got a shit ton of other cases, but now he's dropping everything. 52:25.567 --> 52:36.672 [SPEAKER_00]: right up this one fucking case and i'm like and i mean even in this act you know you you already said like he's basically going rogue he's like leaving the office following 52:37.887 --> 52:45.209 [SPEAKER_00]: These rabbit trails, not telling anybody where he's going, and I'm sure they're like trying to get him on the radio or trying to get him on the phone. 52:45.269 --> 52:51.271 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, right, he's probably sticking out, you know, other people's houses because he just said, fuck it. 52:51.291 --> 52:52.871 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to deal with anybody else's shit. 52:52.991 --> 52:53.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 52:53.311 --> 52:54.552 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I'm like, OK, great. 52:54.592 --> 52:58.133 [SPEAKER_00]: But here's the problem with that, too, is that what if what if you're fucked? 52:58.393 --> 53:00.033 [SPEAKER_01]: What if you're in a house alone by yourself? 53:00.093 --> 53:01.213 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, what if the fuck are you going to do? 53:01.774 --> 53:04.534 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, or what happens if somebody's literally about to kill you? 53:04.754 --> 53:06.295 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, he's going to throw his flask at him. 53:07.572 --> 53:08.373 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get bitch. 53:09.534 --> 53:10.815 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but I don't know. 53:11.275 --> 53:11.496 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 53:11.536 --> 53:12.677 [SPEAKER_00]: So act three. 53:12.737 --> 53:16.400 [SPEAKER_00]: This is one of it becomes personal like it hasn't already. 53:16.680 --> 53:17.121 [SPEAKER_00]: I know she had. 53:17.141 --> 53:19.082 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we've been gotten pretty personal already. 53:19.503 --> 53:24.787 [SPEAKER_00]: So the investigation reaches a breaking point on what should have been an ordinary afternoon. 53:25.288 --> 53:26.669 [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly don't think that could be 53:27.049 --> 53:54.209 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no such thing as an ordinary, I don't think there is an ordinary afternoon in this in this particular instance, but anyways, Jack receives a phone call from his sister and within seconds he can hear the panic in her voice, her teenage son never came home at first everyone tries to remain calm, maybe he stayed with a friend, maybe his phone died, maybe there's a perfectly reasonable explanation, but as the hours pass and no one hears from him, an unbearable reality begins creeping into the room. 53:55.315 --> 53:55.935 [SPEAKER_00]: Jack knows. 53:56.656 --> 53:57.176 [SPEAKER_00]: No shit. 53:58.076 --> 54:00.657 [SPEAKER_00]: Before anyone else says it out loud, he already knows. 54:01.558 --> 54:03.759 [SPEAKER_00]: The look on his face tells the audience everything. 54:04.319 --> 54:09.241 [SPEAKER_00]: 40 years of fear and regret come crashing back into his life in a single moment. 54:10.062 --> 54:16.725 [SPEAKER_00]: For the first time since reopening the case, this isn't about old files forgotten victims or chasing a ghost from his past. 54:17.305 --> 54:18.265 [SPEAKER_00]: This is family. 54:18.566 --> 54:19.266 [SPEAKER_00]: This is blood. 54:19.546 --> 54:20.226 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a boy he 54:22.687 --> 54:29.012 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is where, this is where I'm just going to say it, you as a person, right? 54:29.032 --> 54:34.977 [SPEAKER_01]: So like your, whether, you know, your son or your daughter or whatever, right? 54:35.017 --> 54:42.903 [SPEAKER_01]: Like your, if that happened to you, man, okay, you cannot tell me that you wouldn't take any of this shit personally. 54:43.463 --> 54:43.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 54:43.823 --> 54:47.106 [SPEAKER_00]: I would, I would, I'd present take it personally and that's the thing. 54:47.126 --> 54:49.188 [SPEAKER_01]: And then so I understand that's as nephew. 54:49.967 --> 54:53.009 [SPEAKER_01]: but at the same fucking time, you are a cop. 54:54.070 --> 54:55.570 [SPEAKER_01]: So trying to divide that. 54:55.991 --> 55:07.118 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's very, it's a very fine line and there's a very hard line to try to, you know, do both, but this is where I feel like every time when a cop gets involved, especially when family is involved, 55:07.962 --> 55:15.689 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, don't worry, all hell's going to break fucking loose because you ain't getting back and guess what we're going to make sure your shit's real fucked up in the end. 55:15.949 --> 55:16.870 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anyways, go ahead. 55:17.190 --> 55:21.173 [SPEAKER_00]: So the disappearance tears the family apart almost immediately. 55:21.674 --> 55:26.618 [SPEAKER_00]: The sister cycles through every emotion imaginable from panic to anger to complete despair. 55:27.218 --> 55:29.941 [SPEAKER_00]: She demands answers that Jack just cannot give her. 55:31.219 --> 55:39.681 [SPEAKER_00]: She asks if this is the same man from all those years ago and whether his, her son is still alive, but Jack obviously doesn't know. 55:39.941 --> 55:40.381 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know. 55:40.721 --> 55:41.341 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know, John. 55:41.861 --> 55:42.541 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who would? 55:42.561 --> 55:43.222 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know. 55:43.902 --> 55:48.983 [SPEAKER_00]: But for perhaps the first time in his career, there are no comforting words or promises he can make. 55:49.043 --> 55:49.783 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 55:49.943 --> 55:53.144 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was the first time in his career, but yeah, right. 55:54.404 --> 56:04.778 [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, right now, that there's really no comfort that he can provide his own family, as far as what might have happened to, you know, his nephew, her son. 56:05.660 --> 56:11.167 [SPEAKER_00]: As search parties begin coming through woods and backroads, Jack finds himself reliving. 56:11.908 --> 56:12.409 [SPEAKER_00]: memories. 56:13.149 --> 56:14.911 [SPEAKER_00]: He has spent decades trying to bury. 56:15.371 --> 56:22.077 [SPEAKER_00]: He remembers the faces of parents from 1987 sitting beside telephones and praying for good news. 56:22.117 --> 56:25.981 [SPEAKER_00]: He remembers watching families slowly lose hope one hour at a time. 56:26.841 --> 56:30.244 [SPEAKER_00]: For most of his life, he sympathized with those parents as a detective. 56:30.705 --> 56:32.947 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we understand them as something entirely different. 56:34.123 --> 56:37.945 [SPEAKER_00]: He understands them as family and the realization destroys them. 56:38.325 --> 56:41.406 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the second time that said it in this whole treatment. 56:41.867 --> 56:46.169 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, family, that a realization of this has destroyed him. 56:46.549 --> 56:48.930 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because now it was this daughter, the first time. 56:48.970 --> 56:50.371 [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's 10 a.m. nephew. 56:51.051 --> 56:53.252 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, you think at this point, 56:55.098 --> 56:55.799 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know. 56:55.839 --> 57:01.624 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Captain Obvious needs to come out and say, hello, like this is what's happening, but here's your sign. 57:02.024 --> 57:02.684 [SPEAKER_01]: It's something. 57:02.865 --> 57:03.145 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 57:03.345 --> 57:12.052 [SPEAKER_00]: So the audience, you know, us as the audience, like we get to watch every emotional wall that Jack has spent years trying to build basically crumble. 57:13.213 --> 57:14.434 [SPEAKER_00]: He can barely sleep. 57:14.654 --> 57:15.795 [SPEAKER_00]: He barely's eating. 57:16.856 --> 57:19.799 [SPEAKER_00]: Every missed phone call sends his heart racing. 57:19.899 --> 57:22.921 [SPEAKER_00]: Every new lead feels like the difference between life and death. 57:23.786 --> 57:26.689 [SPEAKER_00]: The investigation is no longer about justice or closure. 57:26.809 --> 57:28.912 [SPEAKER_00]: It has become a desperate race against time. 57:29.172 --> 57:30.033 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, no offense. 57:30.494 --> 57:32.956 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's too soon, but it's 40 years too late. 57:34.465 --> 57:35.706 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh shit. 57:36.286 --> 57:38.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, you're not far off. 57:38.227 --> 57:44.010 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Ethan tries to keep Jack rounded, but it quickly becomes clear that Jack is slipping into a dangerous territory. 57:44.590 --> 57:44.770 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 57:44.790 --> 57:49.333 [SPEAKER_00]: He stops caring about procedure, ignores direct orders from a superiors. 57:49.953 --> 57:54.295 [SPEAKER_00]: He disappears for hours at a time chasing leads that may amount to nothing. 57:54.795 --> 57:57.317 [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen this a little bit earlier, but I feel like this is like, 57:58.257 --> 58:25.116 [SPEAKER_00]: like him just like maybe just leaving and coming back like I feel like this is like this is intensifying this is hours maybe days doing this like but no but I the differences is like in the beginning it wasn't like as intense this is like yeah this thing out yeah so he also begins interrogating suspects with a level of intensity that borders on obsession the line between detective and desperate uncles slowly start to disappear 58:26.662 --> 58:28.770 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't say, they just say. 58:29.730 --> 58:37.655 [SPEAKER_00]: The deeper they dig, the more horrifying the truth becomes, evidence begins pointing towards a victim, count far greater than anyone believed. 58:38.095 --> 58:41.157 [SPEAKER_00]: The number may not be in the dozens, it may be significantly higher. 58:42.038 --> 58:47.902 [SPEAKER_00]: Entire families across multiple states spend decades waiting for answers that never came. 58:48.542 --> 58:51.664 [SPEAKER_00]: The scope of the investigation becomes almost impossible to comprehend. 58:52.405 --> 58:54.446 [SPEAKER_00]: Then they finally catch a break. 58:59.487 --> 59:12.846 [SPEAKER_00]: a vehicle description matching evidence from another state, financial records, travel histories begin connecting pieces that had been scattered for decades, and slowly the walls start closing in around a single suspect. 59:14.548 --> 59:15.429 [SPEAKER_01]: About fucking time. 59:16.109 --> 59:19.452 [SPEAKER_00]: So the discovery is almost disappointing and it's a simplicity. 59:19.492 --> 59:21.214 [SPEAKER_00]: The man isn't a criminal mastermind. 59:21.254 --> 59:23.616 [SPEAKER_00]: He isn't a, he isn't wealthier powerful. 59:24.356 --> 59:28.700 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't live in some elaborate compound and he isn't hiding behind some false identity. 59:29.581 --> 59:36.147 [SPEAKER_00]: He's ordinary painfully ordinary met what is painfully ordinary being to you. 59:37.283 --> 59:38.144 [SPEAKER_00]: like painfully. 59:38.724 --> 59:58.140 [SPEAKER_00]: I think for Jack, it's painful because understanding that it's not like some rich guy or, you know, it's not some person of power that's corrupted in our, whatever, it's just a guy that you would see going to church or going to the grocery store, 01:00:02.608 --> 01:00:10.651 [SPEAKER_00]: And this this individual he lives alone keeps to himself and blends so completely into everyday life that no one would ever give him a second look. 01:00:11.391 --> 01:00:16.172 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks like the kind of man people pass in a grocery store without remembering his face five minutes later. 01:00:17.513 --> 01:00:20.153 [SPEAKER_00]: And somehow that makes it even more terrifying. 01:00:20.173 --> 01:00:28.876 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that really does like when you can, I mean, sometimes Danielle and I will joke or, you know, the kid and I will joke like when we're walking around Walmart and we'll like see 01:00:32.857 --> 01:00:35.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Is a pedophile like that woman right there. 01:00:35.999 --> 01:00:59.633 [SPEAKER_00]: She's a fucking serial killer that that whatever thing is over there that person's the freak I know what you mean, but I think I think it does make it like more terrifying to know that you know you're trying your you're hunting this guy who is murdering children abducting children I'm you know honestly like your first thought is like this dude has to be like 01:01:00.694 --> 01:01:04.636 [SPEAKER_00]: The pinnacle of evil, the pinnacle of like what a monster looks like. 01:01:05.197 --> 01:01:10.019 [SPEAKER_00]: And for a dude that looks like he goes to church and has an account, you know what I mean? 01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:13.321 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not someone that you would be like, really? 01:01:13.341 --> 01:01:15.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Matt, ready? 01:01:16.123 --> 01:01:22.887 [SPEAKER_01]: The the age-all question that when you and I have a little was, you know, talked about with people, what is an addict or who's an addict? 01:01:23.247 --> 01:01:25.428 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because there is no status. 01:01:25.468 --> 01:01:29.271 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know it's a little different than this, but like, in the same way you're like, 01:01:30.380 --> 01:01:48.911 [SPEAKER_01]: You would think it was like this person, but now you're like, oh, so it's literally some other random dude that just does his own thing and whatever, and you're like, okay, well, shit, this guy can blend in anywhere and it doesn't matter where and he's just like, hi, my name's Tom, and you're like, I'm Jeff, we'll fuck you Jeff. 01:01:49.923 --> 01:02:00.325 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... so jack realizes that for forty years evil wasn't hiding in the shadows it wasn't lurking in abandoned buildings or secret organizations it was living among everyone else 01:02:01.275 --> 01:02:04.936 [SPEAKER_00]: wearing an ordinary face, pretending to be just another man. 01:02:05.876 --> 01:02:15.999 [SPEAKER_00]: As investigators continue building their case, another piece of evidence, surfaces that changes everything, the suspect owns an isolated property deep in rural Louisiana. 01:02:16.799 --> 01:02:18.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Far removed from towns and highways. 01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:25.182 [SPEAKER_00]: The location is large enough to disappear into and remote enough that screams would never be heard. 01:02:26.395 --> 01:02:42.810 [SPEAKER_00]: Jack stares at the address for a long time and then looks at a photograph of his missing nephew and for the first time in the film he allows himself to believe that the boy may still be alive and for the first time in decades hope becomes more terrifying than fear. 01:02:44.591 --> 01:02:44.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 01:02:46.273 --> 01:02:47.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even just rating this. 01:02:47.634 --> 01:02:50.737 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know it's not like they actually like script and everything else but. 01:02:51.782 --> 01:02:54.824 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, damn like I don't know what to say right now. 01:02:55.105 --> 01:03:13.779 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could only imagine what Jack is probably running through his mind right now and especially when he was like you just said there like he's looking at his missing nephew as a photograph looking at the edges looking at this guy and like in my mind I don't know like I feel like in his mind he's probably going 01:03:15.275 --> 01:03:18.697 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to leave it five fucking seconds and I'm gonna take this motherfucker. 01:03:18.897 --> 01:03:36.847 [SPEAKER_00]: I can almost like picture the scene like in my head of him sitting at his desk right in his hand he's holding the photograph of his nephew right but underneath on the desk itself are probably scattered photographs of murder children 01:03:38.434 --> 01:04:01.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, like missing, missing, you know, various missing posters that maybe he pulled off of a telephone pole, but like, you have to like just close your eyes for a minute and imagine this guy, this detective sitting at this desk, he's holding just a photograph of the nephew, but behind him is just death and despair. 01:04:03.490 --> 01:04:03.710 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, 01:04:06.346 --> 01:04:27.417 [SPEAKER_00]: it's like the one shiny spot in the in the rest of all of the darkness that's on the desk and we're seeing him for the first time like maybe the hope is is what is ultimately going to end up breaking him well so this is a great question right here ready at this point do we even care if jack follows the lawn anymore 01:04:28.970 --> 01:04:34.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we the audience care if Jack literally says you know what fuck every rule on the planet? 01:04:34.315 --> 01:04:36.217 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm getting this motherfucker. 01:04:36.517 --> 01:04:38.159 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that there's hell of threat water. 01:04:38.479 --> 01:04:48.668 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of I mean There's a lot of good questions in here like do we do even think Jack is capable of being objective like is he able to separate since right now? 01:04:48.868 --> 01:04:51.190 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not is he able to separate? 01:04:52.330 --> 01:04:59.394 [SPEAKER_00]: how you know his emotions and how he's feeling versus what is legally the correct way to handle the game. 01:04:59.434 --> 01:05:01.295 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you right now, absolutely fucking that. 01:05:01.816 --> 01:05:10.321 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't tell me otherwise because I want to be clear that we at this point even though like we are probably a little bit past three quarters of this movie. 01:05:10.361 --> 01:05:14.163 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, no, but right now, no, still do not know who this killer is. 01:05:14.523 --> 01:05:15.043 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's true. 01:05:15.424 --> 01:05:20.506 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying to answer your question, like I said, he is not, he will not be objective. 01:05:20.827 --> 01:05:24.108 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I think it'll be very, very tough for him to be anything. 01:05:24.509 --> 01:05:27.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Objective, because again, he's going to actually follow the law. 01:05:28.251 --> 01:05:29.011 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's my point. 01:05:29.051 --> 01:05:30.592 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, he's not going to be objective. 01:05:30.692 --> 01:05:34.034 [SPEAKER_01]: He probably will not be following any rules or procedures or any of that shit. 01:05:34.514 --> 01:05:40.658 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the fact that it is terrifying that this guy is completely painfully ordinary. 01:05:40.818 --> 01:05:40.958 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, 01:05:43.579 --> 01:05:51.464 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's scary to think that, you know, the guy like you said it, whether you go to church with or maybe you go to, maybe it's a running club or whatever. 01:05:51.504 --> 01:05:54.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Like think of all the random shit that you might do, whatever. 01:05:54.325 --> 01:05:55.986 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just playing Power World with them. 01:05:56.387 --> 01:05:57.187 [SPEAKER_01]: God damn it! 01:05:58.228 --> 01:06:00.269 [SPEAKER_00]: Son of a bitch, now I want to kill you. 01:06:00.629 --> 01:06:01.990 [SPEAKER_00]: I do like this question too. 01:06:02.570 --> 01:06:08.934 [SPEAKER_00]: Does the movie feel more tragic because Jack finally understands what the parents felt? 01:06:09.794 --> 01:06:10.755 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say yes or no. 01:06:12.044 --> 01:06:16.406 [SPEAKER_01]: And a reason why I say this is because for Jack Sake, I mean, come on, man. 01:06:17.026 --> 01:06:20.787 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that because it didn't happen to you, that's the problem. 01:06:21.087 --> 01:06:29.070 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the issue is, and this is what, and this is a word that you and I will probably always say and we always use this empathy. 01:06:29.871 --> 01:06:33.092 [SPEAKER_01]: This man when it came to the empathy does not understand that piece. 01:06:33.852 --> 01:06:35.993 [SPEAKER_01]: And he finally did now because now it happened. 01:06:36.033 --> 01:06:37.794 [SPEAKER_00]: He finally did, but I think as him being 01:06:42.425 --> 01:06:53.609 [SPEAKER_00]: It all of these children that went missing and were never found, or maybe they found the bodies and they found remains, like, as a cop, that would take us to. 01:06:54.330 --> 01:06:58.351 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so our parents wouldn't understand that tool that it takes on a cop. 01:06:58.891 --> 01:07:02.013 [SPEAKER_01]: So, the thing about the jobs that we do, right? 01:07:02.053 --> 01:07:03.573 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't necessarily have to be. 01:07:03.593 --> 01:07:07.195 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, I know, yeah, I was doing here for them for the last 13 years. 01:07:07.215 --> 01:07:08.275 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, you know what? 01:07:08.475 --> 01:07:10.196 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm never gonna know what that feels like. 01:07:10.516 --> 01:07:12.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's why I work in medical records. 01:07:12.298 --> 01:07:25.872 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I just say when you're talking about it like this, I mean, the issue is is that cops unless it actually had like the purpose of whatever they do, like the, you know, whether it's like, um, 01:07:26.533 --> 01:07:47.671 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think like, you know, the, was a vice and like the different departments that, you know, all these guys have, you know, I think for them, they have to have some motivator to want to do certain, you know, departments of the, you know, the actual law enforcement, you know, in there, but like for his sake, you know, if he's just a regular old detective and he's maybe doing homicide or he's, you know, maybe he's. 01:07:47.771 --> 01:07:49.392 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a study was a homicide detective. 01:07:49.412 --> 01:07:52.275 [SPEAKER_01]: No, right, but I'm just saying like, but now he's going into missing people. 01:07:53.048 --> 01:08:21.913 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean, like, I think I think it's a mixed case because there are there are murder I mean the what initially brought them into the case was that dead guy is what no it was the murder child it was a child that was murdered I thought it was the man that we were talking about the man of the man was a very first case it wasn't connected to yes the miss yes correct that when he when he gets catches wind of this case of a murder child that was murdered in that same way okay then that's what sets them off so yes there are murder it's not just like missing children it's 01:08:22.839 --> 01:08:24.020 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I understand now it. 01:08:24.180 --> 01:08:26.462 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get all that, but I'm just saying for his sake. 01:08:28.263 --> 01:08:35.889 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just a personal, you know, now he actually knows somebody who is missing and could be potentially a victim of this guy. 01:08:35.909 --> 01:08:41.653 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and so now I think that that is what you know is affecting him slightly different. 01:08:41.813 --> 01:08:42.454 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this. 01:08:42.534 --> 01:08:49.539 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it does make it more tragic because of the fact that yes, now it is affecting him, but the problem is is like we've been saying is that as cops. 01:08:50.508 --> 01:08:56.591 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because you do see this all the time, you know, it's because you're a decent organization. 01:08:56.691 --> 01:08:57.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the thing. 01:08:57.291 --> 01:09:04.795 [SPEAKER_00]: And they have to kind of put this in a box somewhere and then, you know, that's what I mean, we're saying this whole thing like he's not capable right now of being objective. 01:09:04.855 --> 01:09:12.278 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, this has nephew being potentially another victim, right, just as it's adding 01:09:22.545 --> 01:09:23.446 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what's happening. 01:09:23.466 --> 01:09:25.707 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know. 01:09:26.327 --> 01:09:30.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know what, let's let's get into the the last act here final act. 01:09:30.449 --> 01:09:32.651 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the end of set hunt. 01:09:33.631 --> 01:09:38.294 [SPEAKER_01]: So the evidence leads investigators to a nice letter property hidden deep within world Louisiana. 01:09:38.634 --> 01:09:43.416 [SPEAKER_01]: The land sits far away from the nearest town in a surrounding my thick woods in swamp land. 01:09:44.017 --> 01:09:44.517 [SPEAKER_01]: No kidding. 01:09:45.077 --> 01:09:48.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I feel like that would be the perfect area for this this whole dire movie. 01:09:48.659 --> 01:09:49.460 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's where. 01:09:51.140 --> 01:09:55.083 [SPEAKER_00]: Texas chains on that actually if you take this, we'll eat now. 01:09:55.203 --> 01:09:57.725 [SPEAKER_01]: And so the kind of place where nobody would hear screams. 01:09:57.765 --> 01:09:58.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 01:09:58.185 --> 01:09:59.706 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the same. 01:09:59.826 --> 01:10:04.370 [SPEAKER_01]: And nobody would ask questions because there you go because they're like, oh, must be alligator's right here. 01:10:05.291 --> 01:10:07.172 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's far and out. 01:10:07.672 --> 01:10:11.255 [SPEAKER_01]: As a task force prepares to move in, Jack can barely contain himself. 01:10:11.615 --> 01:10:15.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Every instinct he has is screaming that his nephew is somewhere on this property. 01:10:15.758 --> 01:10:20.482 [SPEAKER_01]: And that every second they spend plating feels like another second the boy might not survive. 01:10:21.274 --> 01:10:24.175 [SPEAKER_01]: Ignoring protocol, refusing to wait any longer, Jack goes in. 01:10:24.915 --> 01:10:25.435 [SPEAKER_01]: Alone. 01:10:25.955 --> 01:10:28.816 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Jack, you're a fucking moral, you know, here is your sign. 01:10:28.896 --> 01:10:29.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's your sign. 01:10:29.556 --> 01:10:31.856 [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, the property is eerily quiet. 01:10:32.276 --> 01:10:34.777 [SPEAKER_01]: There are no buckering dogs, no television playing in the distance. 01:10:34.977 --> 01:10:38.098 [SPEAKER_01]: No signs of life outside, and they own house sitting in the middle of the clearing. 01:10:38.578 --> 01:10:39.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, there's a clearing? 01:10:39.418 --> 01:10:40.478 [SPEAKER_01]: What happened to the fucking swamp? 01:10:41.698 --> 01:10:42.619 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, anyways. 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:48.040 [SPEAKER_01]: Every step, Jack takes feels heavy, because he knows that whatever's waiting inside could 01:10:49.753 --> 01:10:58.980 [SPEAKER_01]: completely or give him the one thing he's been chasing for for four years, but no, uh, hope, ready, hope, hope inside the house. 01:10:59.060 --> 01:11:01.461 [SPEAKER_01]: He discovers evidence that confirms his worst fears. 01:11:01.762 --> 01:11:02.642 [SPEAKER_01]: Children's belongings. 01:11:02.922 --> 01:11:03.343 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God. 01:11:03.603 --> 01:11:04.003 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy. 01:11:04.183 --> 01:11:04.764 [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go. 01:11:04.824 --> 01:11:07.606 [SPEAKER_01]: Belongies are scattered throughout several rooms. 01:11:07.926 --> 01:11:08.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Not just one several. 01:11:09.727 --> 01:11:16.671 [SPEAKER_01]: old photographs clothing toys and personal items belonging to victims that from different decades, my God. 01:11:17.311 --> 01:11:19.813 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been, oh my God, carefully preserved. 01:11:20.413 --> 01:11:21.253 [SPEAKER_01]: My God, dude. 01:11:21.653 --> 01:11:23.314 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, like a murder museum. 01:11:23.755 --> 01:11:24.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Shit. 01:11:24.475 --> 01:11:27.076 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, here's my hell, here's my whole life story. 01:11:27.597 --> 01:11:27.877 [SPEAKER_01]: Geez. 01:11:28.297 --> 01:11:30.998 [SPEAKER_01]: The house feels like a, let's like a home and more like, yeah. 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:33.720 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm gonna be seeing him dedicated to suffering. 01:11:33.740 --> 01:11:34.160 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great. 01:11:34.540 --> 01:11:36.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Every room serves his reminder of the lives that were stolen 01:11:39.483 --> 01:11:40.603 [SPEAKER_01]: Then Jack hears something. 01:11:40.924 --> 01:11:41.724 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what that be. 01:11:42.704 --> 01:11:49.346 [SPEAKER_01]: A week's sound almost a whisper following it deeper into the house and these covers a locked room and forces the door open. 01:11:50.087 --> 01:11:53.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Inside is a child terrified restraint. 01:11:53.808 --> 01:11:56.789 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, drugged by the live interesting. 01:11:58.175 --> 01:12:12.425 [SPEAKER_01]: For a moment, Jack simply stands there unable to process what he is seeing after 40 years of arriving, oh, I said this early, I'm at after 40 years of arriving to late right there to late after decades of finding bodies and delivering terrible news to grieving families. 01:12:12.865 --> 01:12:15.487 [SPEAKER_01]: He has finally reached someone in time. 01:12:16.128 --> 01:12:22.652 [SPEAKER_01]: He quickly frees the child and tries to reassure them that they are safe, but his hands are shaking so bad that he can barely unlike their strengths. 01:12:22.892 --> 01:12:23.313 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy. 01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:25.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Then he sees the face. 01:12:25.542 --> 01:12:26.423 [SPEAKER_01]: It isn't his nephew. 01:12:26.824 --> 01:12:27.665 [SPEAKER_01]: The relationship. 01:12:27.826 --> 01:12:28.767 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, God damn it. 01:12:29.168 --> 01:12:33.095 [SPEAKER_01]: The realization is devastating and really reliving at the same time. 01:12:34.043 --> 01:12:38.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Another child has been saved, but the question that is haunted him for days still remains unanswered. 01:12:39.366 --> 01:12:40.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Where is his nephew? 01:12:41.147 --> 01:12:47.170 [SPEAKER_01]: As Jack escorts the child towards safety, he finally comes face to face with a man he spent most of his adult life hunting. 01:12:47.910 --> 01:12:49.971 [SPEAKER_01]: The killer looks completely ordinary. 01:12:50.752 --> 01:12:53.994 [SPEAKER_01]: Older than Jack expected, smaller than Jack imagined, oh, boy. 01:12:54.514 --> 01:13:00.277 [SPEAKER_01]: There is nothing intimidating or monstrous about him, that somehow makes the moment even worse. 01:13:01.738 --> 01:13:02.279 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God. 01:13:02.599 --> 01:13:13.268 [SPEAKER_01]: This unremarkable man is responsible for 40 years of pain, fear, and loss, that this is the face that destroyed families, ruined lives, consumed every waking moment of Jack's career. 01:13:13.989 --> 01:13:20.615 [SPEAKER_01]: Standing before him, Jack realizes that he spent decades imagining his, this encounter but none of those fantasies prepared him for the reality of it. 01:13:21.175 --> 01:13:24.098 [SPEAKER_01]: The suspect is arrested and handcuffed without much resistance. 01:13:24.598 --> 01:13:28.642 [SPEAKER_01]: The hunt is finally over, yet instead of relief, Jack feels something else entirely. 01:13:29.282 --> 01:13:30.783 [SPEAKER_01]: anger and rage. 01:13:31.464 --> 01:13:35.708 [SPEAKER_01]: A lifetime of grief and guilt crashes him or crashes into him all at once. 01:13:36.268 --> 01:13:43.394 [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks about every missing poster, every mother who cried in his arms, every father who spent years wondering what happened to their child. 01:13:44.015 --> 01:13:51.601 [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks about his failed marriage, his broken relationship with his daughter, and the all the moments he sacrificed in pursuit of this one man. 01:13:52.262 --> 01:13:53.463 [SPEAKER_01]: And then he thinks about his nephew. 01:13:53.923 --> 01:13:55.865 [SPEAKER_01]: The audience never fully sees what happens next. 01:13:56.742 --> 01:13:59.983 [SPEAKER_01]: Before I go any further, the audience never fully sees what happens next. 01:14:00.023 --> 01:14:02.624 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this is a bad way to segue, but okay. 01:14:04.364 --> 01:14:09.545 [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, yes, what follows is fragmented in uncertain, almost like memories that cannot be trusted. 01:14:10.626 --> 01:14:12.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Raise voices echo throughout the house. 01:14:12.446 --> 01:14:13.146 [SPEAKER_01]: There's an argument. 01:14:13.487 --> 01:14:16.047 [SPEAKER_01]: The killer says something that is visibly shakes Jack. 01:14:16.547 --> 01:14:17.228 [SPEAKER_01]: A gun is drawn. 01:14:17.588 --> 01:14:19.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Then a single gunshot breaks the silence. 01:14:20.128 --> 01:14:22.389 [SPEAKER_01]: By the time backup arrives, the suspect is dead. 01:14:22.749 --> 01:14:25.770 [SPEAKER_01]: Jack, a whole boy is standing alone by the body. 01:14:27.102 --> 01:14:45.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, but along side of the body official reports eventually rule the the shooting justified whole lovely The sets back was considered one of the most dangerous seroculars in the country's history and there's a Uncertainty sorry, it's a running the following moments that no one can say with complete confidence What actually happened inside that house? 01:14:46.294 --> 01:14:52.938 [SPEAKER_01]: No, shit Some believe Jack acted in self defense others quietly suspected he finally gave into the rage and he had carried 01:14:53.861 --> 01:14:54.782 [SPEAKER_01]: for 40 years. 01:14:55.563 --> 01:14:56.945 [SPEAKER_01]: The true for means with Jack. 01:14:58.246 --> 01:15:00.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Weeks later, the investigation is over. 01:15:00.248 --> 01:15:04.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Families across multiple states for finally-to-see vance as victims are identified, remains a return. 01:15:05.654 --> 01:15:07.636 [SPEAKER_01]: And long forgotten cases are finally closed. 01:15:08.176 --> 01:15:12.761 [SPEAKER_01]: News outlets call it one of the most significant criminal investigations in modern history. 01:15:13.843 --> 01:15:14.884 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, shit, Jack. 01:15:15.568 --> 01:15:16.108 [SPEAKER_01]: just for you. 01:15:16.909 --> 01:15:18.830 [SPEAKER_01]: But for Jack, none of the feels like a victory. 01:15:19.190 --> 01:15:21.352 [SPEAKER_01]: His nephew's body is eventually recovered on the property. 01:15:21.572 --> 01:15:23.533 [SPEAKER_01]: The boy had been dead a whole boy. 01:15:24.013 --> 01:15:26.975 [SPEAKER_01]: The boy had been dead before Jack ever arrived. 01:15:28.396 --> 01:15:28.656 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck. 01:15:28.977 --> 01:15:32.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's like going to say that the discovery destroys whatever remained of him. 01:15:33.019 --> 01:15:36.802 [SPEAKER_01]: The one person he desperately wanted to save was the one person he could not reach in time. 01:15:37.789 --> 01:15:39.730 [SPEAKER_01]: The Phil O boy, this is going to be bad. 01:15:40.170 --> 01:15:42.912 [SPEAKER_01]: The film's final scenes are quiet and painfully intimate. 01:15:43.172 --> 01:15:48.315 [SPEAKER_01]: Jack returns to his empty house, sits alone in the darkness with a bottle of whiskey and his service weapon resting nearby. 01:15:48.995 --> 01:15:55.659 [SPEAKER_01]: For the first time in four decades, there are no files to read, no suspects to chase and mysteries, or sorry, no mysteries left to resolve. 01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:00.882 [SPEAKER_01]: The obsession is defined that, or sorry, I can't even speak, I'm sorry. 01:16:01.522 --> 01:16:05.845 [SPEAKER_01]: The obsession that defined his career in entire life is over, there we go. 01:16:06.513 --> 01:16:13.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Reflices from the confrontation drift throughout his mind, the killer's face, the gun, the son of the shot, and nothing. 01:16:13.699 --> 01:16:16.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Jack slowly picks up the weapon and stares into the darkness. 01:16:16.841 --> 01:16:20.024 [SPEAKER_01]: His phone suddenly lights up, a new case, another body. 01:16:20.644 --> 01:16:22.766 [SPEAKER_01]: Another family about to begin the worst day of their lives. 01:16:23.427 --> 01:16:26.589 [SPEAKER_01]: The glow from the screen illuminates his face as he sits perfectly still. 01:16:27.210 --> 01:16:29.972 [SPEAKER_01]: The audience never sees whether he answers the phone. 01:16:30.652 --> 01:16:33.655 [SPEAKER_01]: The audience never sees whether he lowers the gun. 01:16:35.417 --> 01:16:40.140 [SPEAKER_01]: The screen simply fades to like leaving one question hanging over everything that came before. 01:16:40.700 --> 01:16:44.623 [SPEAKER_01]: After spending 40 years hunting monsters can jack one and survive without one. 01:16:46.024 --> 01:16:46.304 [SPEAKER_01]: The end. 01:16:47.105 --> 01:16:47.665 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, shit. 01:16:48.285 --> 01:16:49.986 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, shit doesn't feel like an ending at all. 01:16:50.287 --> 01:16:51.988 [SPEAKER_01]: That just feels like it's a continuation. 01:16:52.248 --> 01:16:53.889 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, it actually, you know, what happens? 01:16:54.549 --> 01:16:56.170 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that same folk all that he gets in the beginning. 01:16:56.811 --> 01:16:58.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's like Ron Hogdale, again. 01:16:59.733 --> 01:17:02.575 [SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like, I do feel like he answers. 01:17:04.202 --> 01:17:07.724 [SPEAKER_00]: But part of me just feels like he answers the phone. 01:17:08.244 --> 01:17:11.866 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like part of me just, it actually just, it's Groundhog's Dale. 01:17:11.946 --> 01:17:18.209 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he, I mean, one of the questions here is, did the final phone call save his life or condemn him to another obsession? 01:17:18.269 --> 01:17:22.711 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it condemns him to just another, I think he's just in that loop. 01:17:22.751 --> 01:17:30.235 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like I said before, like he's going, I mean, sure, like this 40 year obsession might be gone, but he, 01:17:31.175 --> 01:17:34.080 [SPEAKER_00]: He is still a Louisiana homicide detective. 01:17:34.120 --> 01:17:40.912 [SPEAKER_00]: So if there is something that needs to be solved, I feel like if you give it to him, he's going to just dive in. 01:17:44.034 --> 01:17:51.741 [SPEAKER_00]: with his whole body and not just with his brain, but he's gonna like his whole entire life is gonna go into whatever this new case is. 01:17:52.802 --> 01:18:00.189 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's gonna just be the next obsession, whether it's just a one-off body or whether there's more to it. 01:18:00.229 --> 01:18:02.811 [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like that that's what Jack just does. 01:18:02.851 --> 01:18:07.796 [SPEAKER_00]: He goes from one case to another, to another, to another, and at this point, 01:18:09.248 --> 01:18:14.872 [SPEAKER_00]: He probably just has this understanding that his family just wants nothing to do with them. 01:18:14.892 --> 01:18:17.634 [SPEAKER_00]: They've already moved on, so this is what I have. 01:18:17.674 --> 01:18:24.178 [SPEAKER_00]: This is what I can do at least my superiors, even though they don't agree with what I'm doing. 01:18:25.058 --> 01:18:27.240 [SPEAKER_00]: At least they're still giving me these cases to work. 01:18:29.225 --> 01:18:30.466 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree. 01:18:30.506 --> 01:18:34.388 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though reality is the opposite where if he just was like, you know what? 01:18:34.448 --> 01:18:46.135 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I need to re-establish the connection with my daughter and try to like re-establish some kind of resemblance of a family that I might or may not ever have. 01:18:47.856 --> 01:18:50.477 [SPEAKER_00]: But instead of doing that, he's like, oh, okay, cool. 01:18:51.558 --> 01:18:51.938 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go. 01:18:53.739 --> 01:18:55.940 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go, let's just go ahead and do it, you know? 01:18:56.200 --> 01:18:57.621 [SPEAKER_01]: It's great, you know? 01:18:59.907 --> 01:19:00.647 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll admit it. 01:19:00.707 --> 01:19:03.969 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was a pretty like, well, shit. 01:19:04.850 --> 01:19:11.133 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll say it when I just read that whole thing about seeing his nephew, I'm like, well, fuck. 01:19:11.553 --> 01:19:18.217 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, no offense when I, that's why we're right at the end there when he was like, so he has a service weapon and he has a bottle of whiskey. 01:19:19.678 --> 01:19:25.901 [SPEAKER_00]: As soon as you understood that, the service weapon was right next to him and he had the bottle of whiskey and you're like, fuck. 01:19:25.981 --> 01:19:26.401 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy. 01:19:26.762 --> 01:19:27.422 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh boy. 01:19:27.602 --> 01:19:29.143 [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, ring, ring, ring, ring. 01:19:30.807 --> 01:19:46.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so that's the one thing that saved him because guess what if if he just said fuck it and then what if what if here's the thing what if all we heard was a gunshot and then they end of the movie just happened And then you go what I think that that's why you leave it ambiguous like you don't show him answering the phone 01:19:48.477 --> 01:20:00.725 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't show him you don't hear like the gunshot going off and I think that that's what I mean, it's honestly like a pretty good ending like because it does leave a lot of questions of like. 01:20:03.287 --> 01:20:05.188 [SPEAKER_00]: So what like, so what do we do now? 01:20:07.670 --> 01:20:12.994 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, knowing that we've just gone through four acts and we do have to kind of wrap it up here, but. 01:20:13.912 --> 01:20:24.682 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, knowing that we just went through four acts of this movie we we told you what the plot was we've we've broken down this whole entire movie pretty much from beginning to end 01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:28.681 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a movie I would watch the shit out of. 01:20:29.001 --> 01:20:29.661 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know you win. 01:20:30.102 --> 01:20:40.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially because, well, I love, I like serial killers, but no, I was also gonna say, because we're gonna tell you about it next week, but the main actor, oh yeah, that's like, oh yeah, hell yeah, this is the guy. 01:20:40.446 --> 01:20:45.228 [SPEAKER_00]: As soon as you understand who the lead actor is going to be, it's like, uh-huh, uh-huh. 01:20:45.558 --> 01:20:46.319 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yep. 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:46.559 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 01:20:46.739 --> 01:20:47.259 [SPEAKER_00]: The sounds good. 01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:47.479 [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. 01:20:47.700 --> 01:20:48.180 [SPEAKER_00]: Keep it going. 01:20:48.260 --> 01:20:49.861 [SPEAKER_00]: I just I like the darkness. 01:20:49.901 --> 01:20:51.282 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the greeting of it. 01:20:51.322 --> 01:21:00.910 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I like I like I like the grind and like what I think would set this movie a part is if you really show the investigation process. 01:21:01.230 --> 01:21:01.750 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I agree. 01:21:02.431 --> 01:21:03.712 [SPEAKER_00]: If you just show him like 01:21:05.336 --> 01:21:20.441 [SPEAKER_00]: just going downward and that's all you're really just seeing like you lose some of that but I think if you see him going down these rabbit holes and the rabbit holes are interesting and there they bring you to a much darker and gritty or place I think like. 01:21:21.691 --> 01:21:24.132 [SPEAKER_00]: This is that movie like it's just it's dark. 01:21:24.312 --> 01:21:46.260 [SPEAKER_01]: It's well, when you're not happy when you can look at him reading through the files and like literally like trying to put the pieces together like, you know, and then, you know, taking like a cork pork and going like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and then he's like putting the pieces together then you see the comparison to his partner who's probably like a younger not quite like a rookie detective, but somebody who's maybe been 01:21:47.020 --> 01:22:01.782 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's been around, but not around five or 10 years, maybe 15 at the most, but like somebody who is still kind of like a veteran, but not as seasoned as him right who does things by the book and is like, Bro, like, what are you doing? 01:22:01.822 --> 01:22:02.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, 01:22:02.937 --> 01:22:26.095 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, shit bro, like you're you're putting strings together that like don't even go even though for jackets like no, no, this goes here and then that connects there and then this one, you know, his brain is just going a mile a minute, where I think it's partner Ethan is like, I don't know how these things are connected because you're not talking to anybody, bro, you know, way to hold on met this describes you a little bit. 01:22:27.437 --> 01:22:29.459 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, I fucking explained it to you, bro. 01:22:29.499 --> 01:22:32.243 [SPEAKER_01]: I just like, no, but that's kind of how you're bringing work to me. 01:22:32.283 --> 01:22:34.265 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I explain to you, you just weren't fucking listening. 01:22:35.160 --> 01:22:40.765 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's like, fuck you bitch, I fucking explained this whole goddamn thing and I'm fucking PowerPoint and I just spent an hour and a half on it. 01:22:40.805 --> 01:22:46.769 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, maybe if you just fucking dumped it out to me, if you just read the freaking bar graph, you would have understood. 01:22:47.049 --> 01:22:48.511 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well, fuck the bar graph. 01:22:48.531 --> 01:22:49.451 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear it from you. 01:22:49.471 --> 01:22:50.852 [SPEAKER_01]: You fucking hell, don't joke. 01:22:51.653 --> 01:22:56.997 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, no, I know we've been talking about this, but I will admit, I know you were saying you would watch the shit out of the movie. 01:22:57.578 --> 01:22:58.258 [SPEAKER_01]: I would, too, you know what? 01:22:58.298 --> 01:22:59.940 [SPEAKER_01]: I would actually go see it with you in theaters. 01:23:00.100 --> 01:23:01.461 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know I'm not a big, 01:23:02.527 --> 01:23:04.287 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, I guess horror's different. 01:23:04.387 --> 01:23:07.308 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I mean, this isn't really horror, right? 01:23:07.328 --> 01:23:09.069 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not really like heavy crime. 01:23:09.089 --> 01:23:11.509 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm like a said, I would watch this with you. 01:23:11.549 --> 01:23:20.732 [SPEAKER_00]: I would, I think I would, you know, this movie, like it, like, and we're going to talk about directors in the next episode, because we're doing a part two to our A.I. 01:23:20.752 --> 01:23:25.533 [SPEAKER_00]: versus Hollywood, where part one is really just us breaking down the movie and what it's about. 01:23:26.333 --> 01:23:39.750 [SPEAKER_01]: But part two is we're talking about production and how it would get made and what would make this a good movie right and that's that's kind of the beauty of these these series that we do is you know we can if we talked about every little bit of this. 01:23:40.623 --> 01:23:43.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it would be like a three hour fucking guess me. 01:23:43.745 --> 01:23:46.026 [SPEAKER_01]: We're already at an hour and a half, but yeah, whatever. 01:23:46.046 --> 01:23:56.753 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think this movie could sit right next to seven, like in the way that seven is was done like this movie would fit right next to it. 01:23:57.093 --> 01:23:57.373 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:23:57.753 --> 01:23:58.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:23:58.074 --> 01:24:00.515 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, like I said, we'll we'll talk about it next week for sure. 01:24:00.555 --> 01:24:02.696 [SPEAKER_00]: It would make much more sense once you know the director. 01:24:03.377 --> 01:24:03.657 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:24:03.677 --> 01:24:05.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then that's why I said next week. 01:24:05.218 --> 01:24:08.420 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be talking about that for sure, but until next time boys and girls, 01:24:12.490 --> 01:24:14.221 [SPEAKER_03]: Cause we're a piece from the multiverse.