[SPEAKER_00]: The Survivor Specialist Phil Will and Blake are back in today.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have episode number two of our Survivor Winner rankings last week.
[SPEAKER_00]: We went 50 through 41 today.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to be doing 40 through 31 as we continue our countdown.
[SPEAKER_00]: got a little power point ready to go here, everybody, but man, this chat is already popping off on us, you know, with some names getting thrown around, so chat them in, we're going to over, we're going to over rank Adam maybe, can we two shoes I can't see Adam being in this group since you're friend of the channel and then we got Darrell Seymour Boston Robbs going to be way length way lower than he should be, we got a lot actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: of comments and I had posted a couple questions heading into this one and we'll get to some of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blake, have you recovered from the fact that Amber was in the bottom 10 last week?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I have not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally have been sick to my stomach all day because I knew you're going to remind me that Amber, who won the first all stars and is one of the most best winners of all time, is in our bottom 10.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my favorite comment we got.
[SPEAKER_00]: I put out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I put out that thing on Instagram and it was like, hey, here's our bottom 10 and somebody said, this has to be rage bait and somebody else was like, I'm unfollowing you for these takes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, Bob, Pablo Chris underwood Natalie white Amber.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like we are just the kings of rage bait.
[SPEAKER_01]: with last weeks like give me another bottom like this wasn't even my bottom 10 obviously because it takes into account you know five of the specialist opinions here but like I was pretty like it made sense to me even though Fabio was in there like I'm not gonna be like well that's rage but like like name another 10 winners that would be less of rage like I don't understand
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't agree more and worth playing for most degree of this because it's a big banger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It gives us a reason to keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you worth playing for.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had such a busy week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eat it something fun to tune into.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're playing for the big one.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've had a crazy week.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to an appetizer's the next time we go out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will and I are recording survivor rock draw after this because we've had a crazy week to John Millsip was recording the jurors video tonight with a broken risk because he still hasn't gotten surgery yet, but he broke the risk the other day so we've had one hell of a week over here at the specialist too and we are excited and thank you worth playing for that is worth playing for and as Darrell Seymour says, it's also worth paying for look at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the puns and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had asked people.
[SPEAKER_00]: over on Instagram who they thought that we were going to pull up tonight who is going to make our next 10 and I'm just going to read off some of the answers we got and you guys tell me of you think they're going to show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got Char Char with Fong saying Rachel Lamont L Otobs I don't know who that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jam and Anna that's obvious way Rachel's in this next 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jam and Savannah's in the thumbnail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't see the thumbnail way to ruin it with the thumbnail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I jam jam is in the bot.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be really surprising to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thumbnail should have people that sometimes aren't in it, so it fits the spent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you don't want to give away three of your surprises.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you have three pictures of will from the special it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you're hoping for the same reaction that you just had to jam jam be in their cave hern says the sepia Danny Marian Adam Mike Holloway Rachel soapy Savannah Jam Jam and Nick and then we have D streets Tina Danny and RS and then Michelle Gory up Denise Sandra both versions Wendell Michelle Nick Savannah even though she shouldn't be and Rachel
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just go and I don't think Adam, like I really don't think Adam will appear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jam Jam surprising to me that he would fall this low.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Aubrey is probably somebody we see here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had Aubrey very low.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of the weakest wins on a very weak, like a season where she has such little control, which is a factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how you took into account Aubrey's game is recent.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't lived with it for a while, but it's not necessarily Aubrey's fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so many parts of her game and the game of season 50 were in the hands of the producers and not in the hands of the players.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to be like, yeah, I mean, for anyone who would have won 50, it was probably going to be like, well, you just kind of got lucky and you didn't get snipe by one of the 50 unfair twist that happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is, you know, one of those questions I have to ask of.
[SPEAKER_00]: But how do you navigate that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And should you be rewarded?
[SPEAKER_00]: That is what the new arrow is, unfortunately, is navigating a lot of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I will say this, what I find very interesting about this ranking that we are having right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have 17 of my bottom 20 in these first 20.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: John and McKenna have 16 of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will in his algorithm, it's all the way down to just 12 of his bottom 20.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't agree with everybody else, but what Blake Blake is 14.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay, I thought I thought it was gonna be and Blake only had every single one of his, the only one I'm like, the bottom Tony is actually Blake's top 20.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like when they're like both Sanders, I'm like, how dare you take away both San, like nobody could have won heroes versus villains and only Sandra, that exact permit he needs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see an argument for Pearl Island, Sandra, but I can't see an argument for heroes for his villain, Sandra, come up this low.
[SPEAKER_00]: like that was as a winner coming back and winning on a season where it wasn't all winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd also put over there in the chat asking who they think is going to be ranked the highest and jam jam in Savannah both being on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did put them in there since they were both on the thumbnail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Savannah got the most votes and I'll tell you who the other people are once we get to it in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't like these thumbnails.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you go make the thumbnails there?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll make the thumbnail.
[SPEAKER_03]: You won't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's not have a before we air it thumbnail.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think you have the first airing thumbnail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we have 35 people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's going to be over 2,000 or hopefully more over time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, I mean, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's get Aubrey out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Aubrey's not on this list, guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: I made him a stake and Aubrey was actually supposed to be 41, so we just don't get to talk about Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Amber was actually supposed to be in the top 15, and I screwed it up by adding, no, there's something correctly.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, here's our little slides.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys ready?
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, so wait, I'm confused of what, so what?
[SPEAKER_01]: So Amber was supposed to be last week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm trolling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trolling you both because you're both so confident.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: So ranking so far quick update a reminder 50 Underwood 49 Bob 48 Jenna 47 Gable or 46 Ben 45 Fabio 44 Natalie White 43 Kenzie 42 Amber 41 Erica or will what do we call that?
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Rage bait.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that's our ranking so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're looking at that list and you're like, these guys are so stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate everything about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are just I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what portion of the internet you want because it's not us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that looks like a bottom, like if you were to group these winners and like put them out without a title or group, like if this was connections or something, some version of connections, you'd like see this list of survivor winners and you'd be like, oh, this is like the bottom 10 winners, like you would you would get you would get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna jump into the next grouping here and here is number 40 and it's the aforementioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aubrey Broko coming in from season 50, highest ranking was John and McKenna at 23.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lowest ranking was Will at 48.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm gonna tell everybody this right now because I put together this and Will and Blake haven't seen this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is pretty much a fight between Will and either John and McKenna or Blake for the entirety of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have, I think, one highest ranking and one lowest ranking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything else is just Will and Blake and John and McKenna being as far away from each other in their rankings as humanly possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, John and McKenna coming in at 23, Will, you really did ensure that Aubrey was pretty low, though, because the gap, I talked about this last week,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, with some gaps in the, in the scoring from last week, but the difference between 40 and 33 is only 15 points.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you putting Aubrey this low, this was the lowest by not actually that much because Blake had her at 43, but you definitely solidified her spot at 40.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I was hoping, I mean, not hoping.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think Aubrey, I like Aubrey as a person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've met her a few times.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I were rank, yeah, she should have been at the bottom time, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I mentioned this as the prediction, but it's not all her fault here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of winners, potential winners on 50 would end up in my bottom five winners ever, just due to the format of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could argue, well, there's more players than ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: She had to outlast.
[SPEAKER_01]: 23 others and get the tree votes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but there was just so much out of her control and out of anyone's control, that it's hard to sit here and be like, yeah, Aubrey grabbed the game by the, grabbed the bull by the horns and took that bull to the end in one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't, it's just not the way she played.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen Aubrey play a better game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like her co-wrong game is leagues ahead of her season 50 game.
[SPEAKER_01]: The target level for her was so diminished like obviously after Koran was a major threat and she still found a way to like stay in it for game changers, but she, you know, wasn't involved in kind of the deciding faction.
[SPEAKER_01]: of that post merge wasn't in on all the votes, which is kind of hanging around edge of extension.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about kind of an unfair set up with the whole captain thing, but those are like too pretty weak outings compared to her co-wrong outing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so by the time she does appear on winners at war, sorry, season 50, you're not really threatened by Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're threatened by more recent players like your Gen of Eaves or some old legends like Colby,
[SPEAKER_01]: happen and go out in the worst, twist, ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think her threat level was so low.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, it's her fourth time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did add, I mentioned this last week, the algorithm does add bonus points.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you went on your first try or your second try, and then if you went on your third or fourth try, you're not getting any added.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're new to the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I just, I don't see, I feel like Aubrey was the best,
[SPEAKER_01]: put herself in a position to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I got.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this comment from Tom Farrell.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is what's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a good place to start since we're having Aubrey's winning game ranked 40th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tom Farrell says might be a hot take.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a little team with tier winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: But might be a top 10 survivor player of all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, you rank her winning game 40 eighth, but you're probably if you're doing a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're doing a player ranking, you're ranking Aubrey over a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have ranked over her here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, we are just, we are just talking about her winning game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's done better things on her previous outings.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, yeah, and we have a press 25 player.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even I think top 10 would probably be a little too generous.
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe top 25, top 30 in that range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's, I think that's low.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we got a second of fifth a win on an all star.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, she did everything all over art.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think this win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see it as that impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: of a win.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think even from almost, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've gone on and talking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like there wasn't that many active decisions that she made to get herself there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a gauntlet of twists and production interference, and then she was the last bowling pin wobbling up at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't feel like there was much rhyme or reason to her navigating the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is very evident by the storytelling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, look, we've seen what a strategic version of Aubrey who's controlling the votes, controlling the alliance as postmars.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen what that looks like.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have an example of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not what we got on season 50 season 50 at some of the worst storytelling I've ever seen and a lot of it was in due part to a winner that didn't really take any like Cheective and so like I just that this is like pretty for me at least the way I watch and enjoy the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not again great player her win is is one of the worst ones I think in the history of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, risk got it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had Jonathan Darryl Seymour says, Jonathan had more control than Aubrey and Rizgott said.
[SPEAKER_00]: I promise you, he didn't have more control.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very much looking forward to this Rizgott appearance on the specialist.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rizgott, you're Joe Rizzo from the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, so this is actually just like a fake Rizgott account who just happens to do the most perfect impression you've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, the Rizgott is going to be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_03]: My thought on Aubrey, we just talked about Erica.
[SPEAKER_03]: taking that erica game and doing it in all star season of oh I could have gone home in the early well was it if if if if the blue team had lost a couple maybe she goes home if any of her premature tribes had lost Aubrey's maybe screwed early on but and now she's just talking everybody she's the person to be on everyone's ear I do think there's some people that could never do that
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do get the idea of, well, when there's 13 threats and 16 people in the merge, you're one of the non-3 non-threats, it is kind of like, okay, well, I had to get rid of my idol and that's a decision I purposely made.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to talk to this group of people and that's a decision I purposely made that I think does put her above how many people, like seven people.
[SPEAKER_03]: when you're out maneuvering three and devins and Christian, that's maybe a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: wins above what is that war wins above replacement is better than what yeah yeah Maracho's playing against here's what here's what here's so I ranked there at 34 which as we all know based on people's reactions is the proper ranking of Aubrey really but i i ranked Aubrey at 34 and here's my reason as we've been going through doing every season matters we're into one of those first gen x and game changers co-wrong was the last version of
[SPEAKER_00]: It filmed before Cambodia, Cambodia comes along and survivor totally changes for the remainder of its existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Aubrey came back and played in game changers, but that is such a bizarre season, and even rewatching that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, even Sarah feels like she's just, they're all long for the ride early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Production is just interfering nonstop.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I'm impressed with in the reason I ranked her at 34 and a little bit higher than YouTube, not as high as John and McKenna,
[SPEAKER_00]: the adaptability to go from like playing an ultra-aggressive, ultra-strategic game and co-wrong, not winning with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then adapting your game not only to get the votes if you get to the end and being a little bit less strategic, being a little bit less in people's face, but also understanding that in this new era,
[SPEAKER_00]: version of survivor, you kind of have to be willing to take a back seat sometimes, and Aubrey took the back seat when she was supposed to, and he might not be satisfied ultimately with her pulling out the win, but she was the one who I think navigated this game the best doing something completely different.
[SPEAKER_00]: then she did in co-wrong and whether it was purposeful or not, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't talked to Aubrey since she won this game, but I do think that there's something impressive about like playing a totally different version of survivor coming out and having to adjust as much as she did and she laid low as often as she did and we talked about a lot with the new era people Rachel did something very similar, Gabler does something very similar, Kenzie does something very similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Erica does something very similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Marianne does something very similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in the new era the lower you lay the better off you are as soon as showing stuck his head up Kyle was like goodbye now I can win the game Just think that's how it goes and Matt is says I think we may be at the point survivor with the only way to win now is to have little to know control which sucks for the viewers which is very
[SPEAKER_01]: And guess what?
[SPEAKER_01]: We are viewers and we can take that and be like that's the nature of the show where it is right now But I don't value that gameplay as much as winners from earlier seasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's why I have obviously Wisconsin's where where do I have Bob and Chris Underwood?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have Chris Underwood at 50 I believe and then Rob Crowley I think Rob Crowley did way more to win Good bone.
[SPEAKER_00]: You only have a one spot higher than her though.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a 47
[SPEAKER_02]: that the difference between the three kind of thing is non-humansal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I'm going to drive an elephant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember here, I have some objective metrics that I put in, and I have that weighted with my opinion.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it is funny, this might be the only player of the rankings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had Aubrey at 48th in personal.
[SPEAKER_01]: game control, because that was the thing I wanted to, you know, have my subjectivity for.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the algorithm based on objective metrics also had Aria 48.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this was, there was alignment here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cheap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be funny as we go through trying to figure out that we kick out John and McKinner to be kick out will for the next winter ranking because one of them's got to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just that the island's not big enough for Bernie fourth is way too high fill.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think 34 is like the perfect spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's just above the low tier and like I think having to play on that season with those egos and deal with those people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to like that's not an easy thing to do and for her to be willing to say you know what it can I don't need to be the star of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking the $2 million home
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was a decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that just was the outcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was just the result.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that was like revisionist history.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here was my plan the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where the cookies crumble, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where the cookies crumble.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where the cookies crumble from the tree.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just how it ended up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this was conscious.
[SPEAKER_01]: My plan is to lay low until Syrian devins are with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've done the most.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna take them out because it's the easiest and obvious thing to do at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, to each their own, but I don't even know if I know you said that you ended up at the same place as the robot, but how do I know that the robot didn't infect you by that point?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that you were just being controlled already.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, mind you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Robo will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so the next, the next one, we're going to move on to 39.
[SPEAKER_00]: This person comes from the first 20 seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who wants to take the staff?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do, I think it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm nervous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Danny Bowt, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody guessed it earlier.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay Danny Bowt, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we think.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about?
[SPEAKER_00]: RS.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's even zon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you have him ranked at 41.
[SPEAKER_00]: How can you respond while I'm starting now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I can still be surprised that other people had him so low.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the one dragon down, brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, even are you hearing I've been fed you, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think 41's pretty fair,
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, just the fact that you just made that reaction all to them be the one who is the reason he's loved.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was Blake has him ranked the highest at 25.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will you have him the lowest at 41?
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that I am right there with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I had him at 40 and John and McKenna had him at 39.
[SPEAKER_00]: So actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, so all three of us are basically like all within two spots we've done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blake, everyone put it in your mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Blake dragged them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would have been in their last week.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's so interesting about Ethan?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love Africa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blake and Will, you guys are both love on Africa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or anybody who's listening to every season matters, you guys know Blake and Will are really low on the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I personally like Africa to me is just like one of those quintessential old school seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the first twist I do love the cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind that it gets a little predictable in the post merge.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing for me is
[SPEAKER_00]: Ethan is kind of that first person who just glides along.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I ranked him this low because I actually think out of the first five winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is clearly the one who is doing the least to put himself in the position of getting the win.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very closely aligned with Big Tom.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very closely aligned with Lex.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I have somebody like Vesepia way higher than Ethan is because Vesepia had to overcome it deficit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Ethan goes in, this is actually the first season where we see a tribe go in with an advantage at the merge, six, four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now they almost blow it, brand and somehow makes it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it likes dozen go home at nine and instead it's Kelly Goldsmith.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they do go in with an advantage and Ethan's able to just coast along.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he is the great idea during the challenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: to get rid of silice, which I know was him and Kim Johnson together, but ultimately credit goes to Ethan in the edit, so Ethan does that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ethan, have you ever said just rank your favorite winners?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was an end-year-old and played soccer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love to eat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ethan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ethan's story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doug Guy, when he comes back in place in 40, I hated edge of extinction, but it's pretty hard not to get emotional watching him in that one challenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything that he went through immediately after being on survivor and everything that he's done, he's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of gameplay, I just put him down here and I will, I'm kind of an agreement with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get to put your name there next to lowest rank.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think you said it really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, we liked, or were we rooting for these people, sure, but are we like ranking their gameplay and how much should they win to earn their win?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at least that time, I'm looking at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We said last week, you haven't listened to the last week, you're like, what's even like the criteria for ranking it?
[SPEAKER_01]: When it has this even work?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone has their own.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no right answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone did the objective thing they needed to do, which is get an up jury votes at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so for me, who someone who appreciates like active play to put yourself in a position to win, Ethan's not very high on that list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Super likable dude, you're going to get your votes at the end of he's sitting there for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe if he played five to 10 seasons later, he's a little more active in the gameplay department.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here he didn't have to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not anyone's fault here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't blame any of these people for winning survivor and getting a million dollars, in some cases two million dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were far more active people, especially, you know, Lex is playing harder here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and maybe, maybe this is a little bit like Jenna Marasca coming last week where it's like, wow, we get to the end, it's Jenna and Matt when maybe Rob was kind of steering the ship post merch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Feels like this was kind of Lex's Lex's game and then Lex comes up short.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was kind of Lex's game, Lex's season, and he kind of comes up short.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're kind of deep-faulting to like who's the next person up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not something I'm going to reward with a ranking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just need to make sure we have two ways that we can clip that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can just post that all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Will is like really low on Lex, surprisingly for an old school fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for him to say that twice in the same podcast is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do agree with everything you just said.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, while I also have always said that Lex is closer to coach than people think, he's not this pure like, you know, strategic genius, there's a lot of delusion, obviously when he literally votes Ethan out of all stars, and they didn't have one, one, obritory exam, it's like, that's how it goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now that I don't all the haters done talking about this, let's say before you say it though, you had him ranked,
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I want to hear this, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, if everybody didn't want to follow Amber, he should have been like 47.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just curious what the, what was the criteria to put Amber above Ethan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_03]: The ranking is not on trial.
[SPEAKER_03]: The, the Blakey is, okay, here's what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything you said, I think is something that, just like everything in the world, that seems like negative to you, that seems like positives to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could never effortlessly glide through a season of survivor in my entire life.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's...
[SPEAKER_03]: 750 people plus the 21 that have done 51 and the 21 that have done 52.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're almost at 800 maybe 800 people have played survivor maybe 15 people could effortlessly slide through a season of survivor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ethan's one of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how somebody that's as physically prowess as him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a professional soccer player.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's introducing himself as a professional soccer player.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does zero votes against.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody else that is, oh, a challenge chart goes immediately.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it cousin's likable?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it cousin's in an alliance?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it cousin?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, all of those usually get you knocked out too.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is something where, oh, Lex blows it at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Lex didn't blow it at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Kim Johnson wins.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is something where, okay, Kim J is making that decision.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, okay, Ethan loses some points on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_03]: Kim Johnson thinks she can beat Ethan.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's crazy that all of his stuff is like, I'm not too threatening to the other threats.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not too unthreatening to the nonthreats where they will go against, like, where I won't get votes against them.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's literally, like, perfectly in the middle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm impressed by things that I can't do at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's why I have them over some new era winners.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I have them over some of these, like, oh, I'm a great strategist.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, there's 9,000 decisions I may during my season.
[SPEAKER_03]: because I think Ethan plays the perfect game for Africa and it looked effortless the whole time and whenever he talks about it it doesn't seem like it seems like was there a lot of decisions for him?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but it is like whenever I was doing everything I did everything correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like Ethan so I think the I get what you're saying, but I think the reason why it was so effortless for Ethan was because they went in up six four and then as soon as the fake threat of getting rid of Lex Brandon blows that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Frank and T-Bird are like, okay great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're back with Baran that like we don't really care and so he's able to just cruise and he's able to just be on cruise control Which I understand why you're saying this is a positive this was still in the era Though where we weren't really seeing any disruption of pagangings I know we do technically see one in Survivor Australia
[SPEAKER_03]: If we're about to write Dney five five points higher than Ethan I'm going to be like Ethan and D have like very similar games of like Yes, she has one of the key in charge of the new era by far with the lie about the july idol like that that move alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if Ethan had idols, he would have lied about him too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we saw them on the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't get to see that, like that's not what he did in Africa and then we're all right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Ethan right here's a great example of like, there's no right answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blake appreciates somebody who is so does literally nothing, but that is how good they are at being on cruise control and he values that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's impressive and I hear you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, he was on cruise control, did nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to recommend my rankings is I value active game decisions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We probably are entertained by a different style survivor game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why we have them what 24 spots a part or no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do that that's 16.
[SPEAKER_01]: 16 spots a part.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're the algorithm that you made, which is what you've met.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you do the math on that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that was all.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was all.
[SPEAKER_01]: computer compensating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're did.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're did the computer I have Ethan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_01]: 33.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's right by me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not far off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's like in between us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All these people coming up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Blake are you ready?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm again.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's me again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you ready?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: What
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, no, no, I'm Panama Blake again with the highest rank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I can call this breaking here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go, Blake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you guys don't like alpha males that are attractive that when survive early on, because your choice is if ours is an alpha male on this season, we got other things coming, but anyway, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, here we go, 38 RIS.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that I included RIS's name in the poll and said, who do you think is the highest ranked survivor winner out of these four options?
[SPEAKER_00]: RIS did get 25% of votes for the four people that I put up there, but he was behind both Jam Jam and Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Blake, I know you love this season, so I'll let you go first and we'll just destroy it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, Iris, I'm, let me look at my list as I'm doing this because he's one above Amber, I literally every one above Iris is like considered a good winner.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think this is the top of my tier of like middle tier or and that this is my sentimental
[SPEAKER_03]: 16 year old boy in Odessa Texas of him and Sari are going to do this Danielle betrayed Sari screw her he fell on the rock and I was like
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I do think being the leader of one of the most dysfunctional tribes of all time is something not many people can do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's something when you saw him play a second time.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is like this presence is very calming.
[SPEAKER_03]: He can do a lot of weird stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he can't control Colton who can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: But RS is somebody that I think played hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was like, all right, Shane, what are you going to say today?
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Courtney, I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got to listen to Bruce talk for eight hours today.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so many things that would trip up so many other people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we do see that happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then also, Laminah,
[SPEAKER_03]: are going to be voting for you every five seconds.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he is on the chopping block of his alliance.
[SPEAKER_03]: If Terry ever uses his idol, if they ever go after Terry, ours is going home.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is something where it's like, he needs to balance all of this stuff that has never happened in the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think whenever he does get to the end,
[SPEAKER_03]: five out of two vote.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember who the two that didn't vote for him, but it is something where it's like, I think his win, it's not seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, I'm not about say it felt like it was unanimous, but it felt like it was an earned win and Danielle stole a vote maybe, but I think it's something where I was impressed with ours the whole time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was rooting for him the whole time, but I know damn well he's not like,
[SPEAKER_03]: he did everything himself because he was working together with one of the most popular strategist of all time, almost said strategists.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I love RS.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is series win if we're doing all these.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's Rob Sester Nino's win.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's Lex's win.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is series win.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think RS was way more implemented in his stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's Rob.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mariano's win for Amber.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's all in this area for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think these people were active in their wins.
[SPEAKER_03]: And RS is the most active in his win before we'll go to use.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had RS ranked at 37.
[SPEAKER_00]: So almost landed them exactly here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm fine with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: John and McKenna have a 40.
[SPEAKER_00]: My my thing with RS is,
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I rewatch this season, I'm like, I'm going to like, artists more, because I actually do really love artists and blood versus water.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I watch Panama, I'm like, here we go, artists, here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just like watch the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of forget he's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like he falls so much to the background, which I understand maybe is what you need it to do on that alliance, but around that season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so re is the strategic person, so re saves RSS ass towards the end of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Terry is who you're rooting for from a physical standpoint, from an underdog standpoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: RSS first day in yellow is just such a let down of a final tribal and I understand
[SPEAKER_00]: that R.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: is who's kind of keeping this whole tribe together.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then when you rewatch it, it's really not as much of him keeping that tribe together as you think it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Ria's a much bigger hand than people give credit for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So worth playing for us as King, you talk about the positives.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's Blake just did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, for me, R.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: is game the reason why rank him at 37
[SPEAKER_00]: And he got to benefit from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he got his ass saved a couple times.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think here, I mean, the algorithm he got hurt in a couple of spots, one being we've mentioned already is this, you know, play kept saying this was to re-season to re-season to re-swan and and play or Phil comes in correctly like what about Terry and I'm saying there will not to re-also and I think that's probably my biggest knock on R.S.
[SPEAKER_01]: is that there are two people very deep into the game that are.
[SPEAKER_01]: very capable of beating him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a comment saying that Surrey probably doesn't beat him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Surrey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Surrey definitely wins against RS.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Danielle is a great person to take to the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still in a final two era, which is not like a total knock, but like it's not as impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: getting jury of votes against one person as it is to get two people, you know, beating two people is more difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then, yeah, I, I could respect the, he took care of the crazies, but I don't think that was like a solo mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we even see that much of him actively doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the thing we kind of tell ourselves to make our champion of our favorite show field better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, who's your, you guys, you guys watch rest of the
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like Lucille and maybe George Blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Michael Blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Michael Blue is anybody's favorite character.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know this isn't a favorite ranking.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are playing on doing on gameplay, but ours kind of falls into the straight man of the crazies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, maybe I have some bias and I think there are just so many other better characters that I don't know if I've ever been like, oh, I'm blown away by his win.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had two very strong winner contenders, very deep into the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was not one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and again, I go back to like, if it's not for Surrey's three to one, he's gone there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's over for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is what, you know, he gets saved there close to the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Surrey and Terry both beat him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that there's people in here, but like Jeff literally asks them at the final tribal and like they all raise their hand for Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terry's winning that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terry's going in with two locked in votes and probably convincing Shane.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Bruce to both vote for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, he probably gets Courtney's vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how I think that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Courtney didn't vote for ours, Courtney did vote for ours, which is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like Bruce and Shane vote for Danielle, if they're willing to vote for Danielle, over ours, they're definitely going to vote for Terry over ours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that final meeting challenge is one of the least equitable in terms of like, we do something that anybody can win.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of what you want of a final meeting challenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_01]: hand on a nightle is like a classic one you're just literally holding on to something that's why we see some motion over and over again in the 30s 40s in new era because it is an equalizer anyone can do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That final of the e-challenge Terry has no chance of winning that's pretty lucky in terms of final of the e-challenge is that one is like design for Daniel the win and that's like
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's send another copy out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess what I'm saying is there are so many scenarios in which this season ends without RS winning and I value the wins where it's like wait no matter which way this was going like this player found a way to keep going in or like or the every way this cookie crumbles this player is going to at least have a pretty good shot like making final three getting enough three votes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like that's the case with RS.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm glad I live in the universe where RS wins and gets nine votes against because Terry could play 50 times and lose all 50 survivor.
[SPEAKER_03]: He will never win, eat it, Terry fans die.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, like huge Terry fans, they have crazy if I died on the podcast, and that's a little aggressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you think RS is more entertaining and interesting than Terry, yeah, for about 20 years, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, if you want to tell me to die, I'll just call you a moron to everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's crazy talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Terry and so no, no, die, and then something, or RS, we only got back because of his brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it hadn't been for his brother and him having a feud, RS disappears, and he's probably in the forties on this list.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you want to get real Blake, let's get real right now, since you're telling me to go die, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Focus on the positives, please, for 30 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's Craig Shilow said, Shane already on a live during her shitty apartment.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Courtney, but it sounds like Blake wants everybody who likes Terry to be on a live.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, any who, we're moving on a 37.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've good news for everybody, but Blake, it's not conquering, so that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can get through this, you know, let's just keep rubbing in Blake's face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I'm in perfect game winner, Conqueror.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys ready for 37?
[SPEAKER_00]: Savannah you guys so so it's interesting about Savannah is such a tight range here like she's 37 we all had her ranked between 29 and 38 everybody else we've done so far has had somebody who's really low somebody who's really high or just everybody's been really low
[SPEAKER_00]: So Savannah coming in here at 37 surprised me a little bit and I wonder how we will feel about Savannah a couple years down the line when we've had time to digest her 49 season and watch it again, not just sitting there being like she's going to be on 50 so we all know she wins will we find it more impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a ranked at 29, which is the highest place, but only eight spots higher than this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm okay with Savannah coming in here at 37.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did think that she would rank higher, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised that everybody was kind of in agreement here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm putting her into the 30s.
[SPEAKER_00]: John and McKenna also at number 35.
[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody was feeling kind of the same way as about Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will, maybe you go first here so that Blake doesn't say,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I think we're getting definitely to a point into the mid 30s where it's something, oh, this is a bottom 20 winner, bottom 15 winner right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, yeah, but most winners are pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like when we almost ranked seasons, it's like, oh my gosh, I actually ended up really, really enjoying, let's just say, a rant, like, you know, well, it's a part.
[SPEAKER_01]: like a maybe a mid or middle tier like 20th or something, which is still high for worlds apart at a 50 seasons, probably most people feeling that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's kind of how it goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many winners.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many seasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: The algorithm did not love Savannah's game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Savannah ended up
[SPEAKER_01]: at 37th.
[SPEAKER_01]: So right, I mean, wow, is wait, is the algorithm just cooking right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we in this 30 hour cook?
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Algorithm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't I don't I don't I wish I had more to say on Savannah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I think he probably deserves to be higher on this But it's like who it every time you move someone up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like when people talk about their all-time grades in any sport like basketball or football Like this is my Mount Rushmore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like okay Steph Curry.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a top four player of all-time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you've heard me say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I think he's the best player of all-time
[SPEAKER_01]: If you move them in your top four, you have to remove someone from the top four.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just add him into the top four.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can add him to a tier, and you can grow the tier.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if we're talking about rankings, like, there have to be people that then fall.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't know who Savannah, I'm curious who is now coming after Savannah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we go like, huh, Savannah really worse than this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the new era probably not hurting or not helping here here where it's fewer days and I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: She only attended eight travel councils.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the lowest.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why the algorithm probably was knocking her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a ton to say on Savannah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This feels right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blake, why'd you go low on Savannah here?
[SPEAKER_03]: Savannah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love Savannah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she's a great winner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, she's my
[SPEAKER_03]: She's a new era.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I hinted at it last time, and it's about to be very apparent, very soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: You hinted at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we were a winner's lower.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, by the way, yeah, this is this is Blake's second highest ranked new era win.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I thought I would say that, but um, Savannah is my second highest ranked new era winner.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like her a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would almost disagree with, oh, this is Rizzo's win.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I do think Savannah was right along there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of these people were literally on the beach.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can ask them in the chat.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, it's something where she felt like she knew what she needed to do every round to win.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is, and then she put it into play, put it, put the plan into motion, living with sage for 39 days, that's kind of like 26 days, that's kind of suck too good for her on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it is something where Savannah, I think expired.
[SPEAKER_03]: is literally one of the two best winners of this era and I think if you emulate her game, you play with intent and then you like shut the door at fire making, you should win every time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Savannah's game is replicable and not easy to do, but if you go on survivor, play like Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're pretty much saying like if you want to win survivor play like Savannah, but also she's
[SPEAKER_03]: everybody's a winner on this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if you wait, they like, and they're played for 13 more days.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think Savannah though does have like high winning upside on any given season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if season 49 and maybe we would be a little a little spoiled and like she's on the next year, like we're kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: on do it didn't kill us entertaining.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to kind of put it all into perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to be like, she's like who I'm curious seeing like who are the next people within this episode of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask myself, do I think Savannah is a better winner than that winner?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will tell you the answer because I'm very curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do have Savannah higher than a few people I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I don't know if you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway,
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we did talk about like, when you overcome a deficit, I know she was in charge and there were more read people than anybody else at the merge, but her ally goes home at the first merge thing and it is like, oh shit, what are we going to do?
[SPEAKER_03]: whenever Kim, not Kim Power's goes home or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it is something where she used all her advantages correctly.
[SPEAKER_03]: She does everything, oh, it's split.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is the time I need to win immunity.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's one of the most impressive immunity wins in the last five years of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I have her in the second highest new era winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Savannah's game is, it's like the comeback is so good, but it was so telegraphed again because we knew she was going to be on 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so because we knew she was going to be on 50, it kind of ruined the drama.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that she was on the third tribe made us all kind of assumed Savannah's probably going to win this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's not as surprising, but that's where I think I'm not saying people are going to start ranking Savannah in the top 20, but I do think that more people are going to rank her in the top 30 as I have her down the line and I do think I I over compensated a little bit for trying to be like anti-residency bias because coming back from the deficit is really impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean the MC vote out that Savannah is able to bank the vote and like convint like just pull the wool over
[SPEAKER_00]: She should go home when Javan goes home, but she's able to just blind Sophie's a gritty.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Sophie's a gritty goes home right after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's a steam roll for the rest of the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I do think that Savannah has a lot of positives.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that when people kind of remove themselves from the fact of,
[SPEAKER_00]: We know she's going to play again and you can actually just watch her game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to grow for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, I don't think it's, I don't think it's, I'll compare it to Chris Dorty, but I don't think it's quite to the level of Chris Dorty, but it's one of those where the first time you're watching, you're not really sure about to make of it because of all, you know, different circumstances.
[SPEAKER_00]: One with Chris, you're not really thinking he can pull it off.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one, you kind of already know it's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now you watch it a second time and you see how she's able to do it, and I think she's going to move up for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for now, I think 37, you know, we're we're low on the new era and a lot of that does come down to the fact that Blake was just hammering the shit out of them, but we do we are lower on the new era and there's there's more new era people in this podcast, but
[SPEAKER_00]: We're moving on to 36, and this is one that I rank, this is the only one that I rank below is, and I would have put her well below Savannah, actually I didn't rank her low as because John and McKenna saved me, but this Danny boat right, Winner of Survivor Guatemala will have her at the highest ranking of 22, John and McKenna, McKenna had her at 44, I had her in there at 41 and Blake, you had Danny boat right at
[SPEAKER_00]: 30.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Blake kind of falling in the middle of all of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: She ends up at 36.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the only person in my bottom 10 to not be included in last week's episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't surprised about that, but I am surprised some of the name she's ahead of right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, in my personal rankings, it was 37 and then waited with the, the other of them must have loved the, trying to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have from 47 or 22 because of your own algorithm?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the algorithm is taking objective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, not rafed out, and then she's, she's vulnerable post-march a good amount, she's, she's just kind of, and then her jury, I mean her jury percentage is pretty high, like Stephanie only is able to pull one vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: And those are all things the algorithm really likes because at the end of the day you want jury votes and if you're going to a lot of travel councils not getting voted out getting a lot of jury votes and you can beat a lot to the end that is and we said this last time the algorithm totally favors maybe some games that you don't see as much the algorithm really liked Erica it really like Natalie white more so because it's taking okay just what is what the metrics say
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the objective stats tells us about their winning game, and that's maybe where there's a delta between what you see and what you get, especially more with Danny who has come on the record and said, I did not want to tell the producers my strategy at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to tell them how I was playing because I think they are rigging the season for Stephanie to win or it may be Bobby John.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're returning players that they're going to favor more heavily.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want them to get more airtime.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want them to last longer the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I spill that, that might hurt
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is the only winner that's under edited out of a strategic move, out of a decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of under edited winners don't do enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't show the production fun entertaining moves and decisions or good interview bites about their insight into the game and how they're navigating the strategy.
[SPEAKER_01]: By not seeing Danny, that was strategy and that was a decision that she made.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we should not have her all the way out.
[SPEAKER_01]: 44 is That's that's pretty love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to push back on this because this is something I talked about last week And I need to bring it up again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand why attending tribal councils and being vulnerable at tribal councils is a positive for winner the entire point of the premerge
[SPEAKER_00]: is to win the immunity challenges.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't understand why you're getting points for immunity also.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're just said, you're exact lines here though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to confuse the audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're exact lines where it's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said it was good that she went to a lot of tribal and that she was going to let's try it for the algorithm.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get points, well, if you win a lot of challenges, you also get points.
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't win a lot of challenges.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was listing the things that the algorithm liked.
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't like, she didn't win a lot of challenges.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't say here, but like, I just think it's a problem that with that algorithm, because I think you're going to see some challenge be, you're going to see challenge beast later, and I'm be like, oh, they had algorithm, I had them at number six, you be like, what the hell about like, well, they want a lot of challenges.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it depends on the player that depends on the player that we're discussing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the algorithm very much so like jury percentage points in equity of final six, and I was less than half some other things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like how Erica was able to get Erica was able to get seven votes out of an eight person jury were like, whoa, how did that happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the show we watched Danny was able to get how many votes out of a how many person jersey jury, seven out of a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a six out of seven winner who ties the record for most wins in the history of the show, both like across all challenges, below Danny, that I just think is insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're not taking challenges across the told show.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're taking challenges.
[SPEAKER_00]: just of the season that they're getting in their season.
[SPEAKER_00]: They tied the record for the most wins in the history of like, well, when we get there, we get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know how it's not on trial.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I'm just pointing out that I think it's crazy that people are.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's something to be said about going to a lot of child councils and finding ways to not get it voted out.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's something to be said for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There he is, but I don't think that makes you a better player.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you're winning immunity, it gives me more opportunities to show your skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I have her with a 307.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, in my own, that the algorithm must be seeing something here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if Will would have ranked her at 37, just everybody knows she would have only fallen to 40.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, she's still what have made it into this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that grants it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will's rankings would have been way different.
[SPEAKER_00]: But all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like you haven't spoken on Danny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, next up is 35.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ivy Danny is she was a sexy pig for people to be like I'm gonna pick a random season with the weird winner and like really vouch for them for a while But I why'd you put me
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't be seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, now, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I do think there's the thought process of the last one alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, okay, you guys are tired and on each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a very hard thing to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the rave dilemma of like, it's cut through.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did the right thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Stephanie going from the golden child to everybody being like, I can't stand this person.
[SPEAKER_03]: It recognizing that and kind of being like, hey Stephanie, you're gonna, I don't know what if she did all this.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is all like what I'm assuming happen is like, you could still win, you got all your friends on the jury, I'll help you get there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know there's not a lot of like, can you replicate this?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know there's not a lot of, look at these dynamite moves, but I do think there's something to be said for like, she was important to everybody that worked with her, she was important to people that weren't working with her,
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, because she was important and flexible and like available, she is in that final three spot to win, like she's one of those people wins the immunity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever it's time to shut up or put up, she put up buckets on the other two and took the win.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's something where we could always be like, I don't really appreciate that, but like, in that old school part of Survivor before there's immunity idols everywhere, there was one.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is something where you want to be put in yourself where you can win an immunity and win the whole game, and that's what Danny did, so it's not bottom 10.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a formans Chris game, and that's, uh, who do you think this game actually is most like, like for being real?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Aubrey, Michelle.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's similar to Michelle, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's like the closest thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Michelle doesn't go to any tribal's early, therefore she stinks according to Will.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you had to do less to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Aubrey didn't say winning challenges is just doing less.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's doing less in terms of like gritting your in finding ways to survive vote outs?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's, I know what's in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay to survive it is just don't go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm saying that's the, I find it more exciting to save yourself with a eliminating someone else and not getting eliminated yourself at child outcomes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I find that more interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you have Michelle Rank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't say the number, but higher or lower than Danny.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not in the algorithm since you find this more entertaining and more interesting and more impressive you have Michelle ranked higher low right, but it's not we're not taking one factor here so it's a combination of metrics it's not just one thing I'm just explaining that one part of it now saying
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to compare Danny's game to a winner, you would probably say Michelle's game is closest and you say Michelle's a top five winner, top ten winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, from points you can't talk at a both sides of your mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got, I don't know, you are literally talking at a both sides of your mouth, but you said, I am more impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we ranking winners or algorithms, guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: I set up the algorithm for the following series.
[SPEAKER_00]: I show rank tire or lower than Danny, that's all I want to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a shell at 27th in my personal It's like barely.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's not that far 10 spots difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move off.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Danny.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're halfway.
[SPEAKER_00]: What play?
[SPEAKER_03]: We're halfway.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're halfway.
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: 35.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first person we're going to be doing this for tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Make the top 10 of somebody's list.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jam Jam.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have Jam Jam ranked at 11.
[SPEAKER_00]: John and McCarrot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jam Jam, great at 48.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your name?
[SPEAKER_00]: I had him at 35 and Blake had Jam Jam at, Where did you have Jam Jam?
[SPEAKER_00]: You had Jam Jam at 40.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I had an exactly where he ended up because Will and John McHenner were just like, honestly, like, I'm stepping gap.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Jim Jim's one of if not the best winner of the new era has one of the best games.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, playing the middle with the Tika 3 and kind of being the leader of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could argue, oh, Carson was the strategic mastermind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's necessarily true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Jim Jim has the charm and the social
[SPEAKER_01]: deeper into the game than like an outwardly like nerdy survivor fan that's more of a strategic threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jamjit like what he had to do with Carolyn and then with like Josh and that pre-merge keeping that all together.
[SPEAKER_01]: when Josh made up that he had nightles still had to pull the trigger on the vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he had to navigate quite a bit and I think we look back on season 44 and go, oh, that's the ticket three now that I think about it was so predictable, so obvious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there was no else that really likable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who cares about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he played a badass game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I probably didn't have a metal level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could admit to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, maybe not, maybe I had him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, maybe I just.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now I'm going to have him at 16.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I had him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, hi.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's not that fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had no, I actually had him, I had him at 11 on my pairwise stuff in terms of dictating the game and game control.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think he had supreme game control.
[SPEAKER_01]: I 48 to me is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't want to love the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to love the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amber, Chris Underwood, Jenna Maraska, Rob Crowley, like, all four of those are, like, completely different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, below, jam jam.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've Chris Underwood better than Jam Jam.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's worse than any algorithm that I could come up with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, John McCann are in here to defend themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: John might be getting a surgery right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that statement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will, um, I, here's, here's where it went for me with Jam Jam, and I ended up putting at 35.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have him ranked higher than Erica, Kenzie, Gabler, uh, Rachel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have him pretty much right in the middle.
[SPEAKER_00]: One spot behind Aubrey, but I already kind of explained my Aubrey thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not far off from Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, man, I had a 29 here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have Jam Jam at 35.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is definitely one of those new Arab biases that's working against Jam and my ranking and I'm not to the level of like Blake being like the only play 26 days screw him, but like I am definitely lower on Jam Jam.
[SPEAKER_00]: because of the new era, then I would be had he played on an older school season.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he had the Supreme Control in the way that you are saying, well, he'd definitely had control, but I don't think that he was in total control the entire game.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't the one who was necessarily driving all of these votes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He voted correctly a lot, but
[SPEAKER_00]: it wasn't him who was like making every decision and he wasn't the one who was pushing for very specific people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I think, damn jam was like always steering the ship where he needed it to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would push back on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have you rewatched 44 because I did rewatch 44.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I, when I did, I remember being blown away by jam jams game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jam Jam probably beats, I mean, who, let me look at the final six for, I think he beats everybody in that final second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Swap on Jay, Heidi's talk all about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No words anyone 710 on a three like in a final three like winning 710 Is better and it's hard to do in a final three than it is in a against Heidi and Carolyn I'm saying objectively it's harder to win 7 to 1 in a final three than it is a final two against Heidi and Carolyn
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying subjective.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you know what the point of that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you Carolyn aren't?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who was able to get to the end with Heidi and Carolyn?
[SPEAKER_01]: Jam Jam.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Getting very votes with the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just telling you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Winning challenges might be the point.
[SPEAKER_01]: But jury votes is the ultimate point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you think that this is more impressive than Todd beating Amanda and Courtney because Amanda and Courtney got votes because they're better players of survivor than Heidi and Karen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a great three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he could sit next to Denise and John Robare.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he can navigate there, there would be a more impressive win.
[SPEAKER_00]: criteria.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's giving up jury votes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blake, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Blake, what do you want to like the final three of China doesn't mean that was the best player.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best player.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to sit next to the best players.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're pulling my damn point.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can beat the best players, why the hell does it matter who you sit next to?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's my point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, go ahead, Blake.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to talk about ranking winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had Yam Yam at 40, it's jam jam at 40.
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally keep forgetting anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to say that there's redemption island and then there's one world and then I think season 44 is the least strategic cast of not the first eight seasons of like people that know what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And season 44, when I go look, and I'm like, who does Jam Jam need to fight against?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who is Jam Jam need to outmove maneuver?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's the leader of the bad guys against Jam Jam?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not impressed with any of those people, and it is kind of like, how do they get three people at the end?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, for having me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Matt, I'm not impressed with you, I'm not impressed with Liz and if you go back even further like who lost in the pre-merge is like literally like murderers row of like clearly this was the fourth season during COVID, we didn't have a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_03]: in the casting pool ready to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is just everyone that is an alternate, just put them in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jam Jam beats all those losers, but I don't think he's a very impressive game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he played 26 days.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's my fourth highest ranking though, still in New Era.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there is some, I was super impressed by his final tribal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's when he won the game for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever he does do the whole like,
[SPEAKER_03]: I looked in your eyes and in the that seems so simple but whenever he sold that I looked in your eyes I knew it was different.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew you were against me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to vote you out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like oh my god I remember just being like this is amazing and I thought Carolyn probably had a shot at winning that I don't know how delusional I was but when Jan Jan did all that it is like holy crap
[SPEAKER_03]: However, I think his cast is pretty weak.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is a thought process of mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Could I have won 44?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I could have won 44.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you're not getting James Jim.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim Jim.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think James.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be in for Jam Jam because we're both the gay guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I take Jam Jam's win and I win it to not the exact same way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, shot, but my I have to hang out with Caroline for 25.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no shop like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's my other thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think a little bit of will bias against Carson might be coming in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right Carson can't be jam jam the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know will.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think let me see, let me see if I included that bias, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where,
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I look jam jam came in at the spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think 11 psi.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think 48's crazy low.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think jam jam the thing is once you start getting to this middle I don't have a strong of opinions on like 30 to 45 for 40.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave a toss up per carcin So he could be he could be four of them wholeheartedly that's eight points and then I gave him one point for carcin because it was a 50 50 between him and carcin So I didn't give him the full pen even though you could argue that
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really know the answer to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: That all these years later, we don't really know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although I already got a CS as 100% loses, so maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I will say.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we're not ranking based on like how well they do in any given season, but I think Jan Jam is often.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think very good on the traders.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I think Jam Jam his social game is impeccable and I don't think there's really any denying that like like I said my ranking is more because it's new era That's that's really what's knocking him when I'm making my knowledge between him and others.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm definitely putting him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not give a new era doc to the algorithm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I should have maybe should have all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on 34.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a new era player.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're back to we're back to pre 40.
[SPEAKER_03]: Comey, she and Nick Wilson.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Wilson coming in here at number 34, David vs. Goliath.
[SPEAKER_00]: No votes against highest ranking was Will at 26.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lowest again, John and McKenna at 46.
[SPEAKER_00]: I ended up with Nick at 33.
[SPEAKER_00]: So right in front of Aubrey and Jam Jam, four spots behind Savannah Blake, you came in with Nick Wilson at what number did you put Nick at?
[SPEAKER_00]: You put Nick at 28.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you were, you and Will in agreement on something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this should be a positive portion.
[SPEAKER_00]: of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys got for Nick Wilson?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you go first.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Nick Wilson had a great alliance and I think he had a great strategy and he had a great temperament and there is the layer of would he have gone home in the first first travel council or is that just
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike White's last name was Mike Orange, and he was a struggling artist from Texas, would Mike Orange be the winner of this season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do think that does come into play of would you rather have a millionaire win this or would you rather have Nick Wilson win this?
[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, he was a representative for the David's and the David versus Glyath, and kept all those relationships.
[SPEAKER_03]: Copacetic and happy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's probably why he wins.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if he does get a bonus from, oh, I don't want to vote for a millionaire.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think, if we're going to say, oh, they took this person's win, Mike White is the defining force in this, and Nick Wilson's like, yes, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is kind of interesting to see those three people from a three-person tribe decimate everyone else, decimates the wrong word, obliterate everyone else.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it is kind of cool to see that, but I think Mike White was the driving force.
[SPEAKER_03]: So next the passenger, we're not saying coat tails, because I think he was strong enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd say Angelina that gets zero votes, not him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was talking everybody else and enough in the strategy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think his, I think, yeah, he would have been the first person voted out.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been confirmed by pretty much everybody on the David Tribe.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do feel like the way he went about the alliances was the most impressive thing to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where, like ultimately, this is another one that I ranked exactly where he ended.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was one spot higher, putting at 33, but like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like going out of his way to name the alliances and do all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was a great strategy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the flashyest game, especially on a really flashy season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like Nick had a lot more control than a lot of the community wants to give it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the toughest part here is the Mike White of it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do we know if Mike White definitely win?
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not famous or even if he's not famous, let's just say Mike White says, hey, I actually want to win this title.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to donate them under the charity, but like, I want to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want the title, I think I played the best game, but he doesn't even do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so like we even know and that's what's tripped up the algorithm loved loved Nick Wilson I think it's because he's really an all around player.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wins some immunities late when he needs to yet He's vulnerable a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It goes to a lot of tribal council 13 tribal councils attended is when equity at final six is pretty high
[SPEAKER_01]: like he did beat Mike White.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we know Mike White actually is definitely beating and then he's probably only losing the Davy and then I gave a half on Cara.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I think he has a pretty well-rounded game.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wins seven of three Jerry Votes, a 70% of Jerry Votes is pretty high, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get why the algorithm moment, but that does the algorithm that ignores Mike White and I think that's going to be the biggest question surrounding Nick Wilson's win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had him weigh lower,
[SPEAKER_01]: But he does, I think people don't really like him, but I mean, he does a lot of things, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a more well-rounded player.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we mentioned the naming of alliances.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's purely a social move.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he did a good job having the one-on-one relationships with everybody as he was kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: getting the David's together to finally overtake the life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was integral in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he does a good job managing his threat level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think enough people were like Nick's actively playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's standing in alliances.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's checking in with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's never the top threat where you're like, oh, Christian is going to wipe the floor with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I don't try to have a council, oh, Davy's so likable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there were just other people that were ahead of him in line.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he did a good job of that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think this is ready for this fits, I'm pretty happy with this even though I do have him a few spots higher.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that Nick's game, you know, there's so many great characters on that season and Nick's not one of the top characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like Aris, but I do think that there's something a little bit more impressive about the way that Nick like balances everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does get a vote from Dan at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does get a vote for Johnny Mundo at the end, so he does get some Goliath votes.
[SPEAKER_00]: when they do get rid of Natalie, I think that's a really great episode and I know a lot of people think Mike White plays the better game, but honestly for me, I think Nick does play the better game here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Mike White's game is a little overrated and I think it's a little bit of, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a little bit of like Monday morning quarterbacking and being like, yeah, Mike did this and Mike did that and like, we're telling a story that's not really there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like Nick, no votes against is really impressive to go through an entire game without getting a vote against you, especially on a chaotic season like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really, really, really hard to it, especially you went to 13 travel councils.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of my, Denise went to 14, so like, wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: see and that's that is actually a very nice and then look at their pedigree when they get to winters at war they make it deep in it out because they're used to surviving troubles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: One thought process for y'all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like doing a thought exercise every once in a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think whenever Mike White gets introduced to somebody at a swanky Hollywood party and they go, Mike White was on survivor, do you think he goes and I got second place or do you think he goes,
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I kind of wanted to everybody knows I won that season even if somebody else got the money.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_03]: In Mike White's brain, do you think he thinks he want a season of survival?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and I don't think it comes up at Swanky Hollywood parties to be completely honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been talking more about the White Lotus than they are survival.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you're all trying to get a role.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's Nick at number 34.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now we have number 33 new era.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you got Blake.
[SPEAKER_03]: Marianne O'Ketch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is Rachel Lamont to Rachel coming in from season 47.
[SPEAKER_00]: 33.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you ranked at 18, Blake.
[SPEAKER_00]: You ranked their lowest that 41 in case it Blake and Rachel were ever going to be friends again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just unsure that they never will be because Blake ranked her solo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, here's what I will say pretty much.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the gap between Rachel and number 32 is a 15 point gap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blake, you could rank right 26.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't have made a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I could have
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: One vote is the only thing separating from a perfect game since she negated the votes against her the three votes were negated by an idol play really it moved that one when she pretty much convinces Andy to like tell his story and all that she goes seven one over Rachel and Sam.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had her in the middle of you guys, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had her right there at 36.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just below one spot below Jam Jam, two spots below Aubrey, one spot in front of Ari so like I'm in line with a lot of these rankings, but it's one of our friends that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're all in your orbit and when you want a weird take about new era you talk to me when you want a weird take about old era You talk to the the two for and then we keep saying literal stuff will goes I don't think I could make an algorithm that would rank them lower like them and I'm like you literally made an algorithm And that didn't we you're seeing literal shit
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, they had an algorithm that had Chris Underwood as a better winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you have an algorithm that you made that didn't, and you're like, I don't think I could make it one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think you're gonna stay with us today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, who was that four by the way?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's white for?
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what winner was that four?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do they have a 48 they had someone that 40 that was jam.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think jam jam I'm in Chris underwood above jam jam to me is like in sanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm play 26 Chris underwood played six
[SPEAKER_03]: Nine 12.
[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly like thought I saw 18 I kind of scoff like how did I get to 18 that feels a way too high I had it 26 in my subjective rankings the algorithm what I was making so I Rental to very well rounded
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we know this, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what's hurting Rachel is something that does, and that's why maybe like winners like Ben or players with like the caveat.
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, she got saved a couple times, like the, the, I, the, I know that she finds and then she goes on the journey, that ends up saving her.
[SPEAKER_01]: She gets the, what is it that she gets to walk away from the tribal where she's definitely going home.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always defended that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was put in that position by a stupid twist.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she got twisted, screwed by being like four was it four members of the blue tribe and then her being in the only one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I wouldn't really say I was lucky that, you know, Saul was able to like call in the next or help and send it to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think she's well rounded, so she'll obviously get a challenges, she wins a lot at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I had her, yeah, I mean, I think she's a middle, she's a very solid middle tier winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, somebody who's probably performing very well on any given season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's not our ranking them, but I think you can say that for Rachel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Rachel to me feels like she has the win twice upside for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Rachel's so on assuming and she's just such a big fan of the show and I think Rachel is another one of those players.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't really care if she's the star of the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: She just wants to win survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she's a great confessionalist but she doesn't care if she's as good as Sam.
[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't care if she's as good as Andy.
[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't care if she's as good as even teeny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Rachel's just like whatever I'm coming out here and I want to win and that is my number one goal and I think she proved like she's so well-rounded I mean between the puzzle she went and made that game that like a lot of people now own and like are enjoying so like she has the ability to make puzzles and win puzzles which is good she's really good social I mean I also think
[SPEAKER_00]: to beat Sam and there's my first mistake it was supposed to say Sam and Sue I put Rachel and Sam damn it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think to be able to beat Sam seven one is really, really, really impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the first mistake I put on here Rachel and Sam.
[SPEAKER_00]: What an idiot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Should beat herself.
[SPEAKER_00]: She beat Sue, but seven one is an impressive win.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I got.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blake, why do you have to remember so high?
[SPEAKER_01]: 7-1, Blake, do you just like dislike her as a person?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think she only played 26 days, so that's a thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: She won four immunities.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's something where it's like holy crap.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of the time when you win four immunities, you do it interspersed from like 12th.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I got one at eight, and then I got one at five, and then I got the one at four, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: She literally was not able to be eliminated since Gabe went home.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think in other seasons would be like, oh, then bomb again, like, oh, it's whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, okay, she's the athletic version of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, she's not, she's not crazy about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, okay, she eliminated the stronger threats and challenges.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she's beating Sam failing every time too.
[SPEAKER_03]: How Sam not better at challenges.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then it's Sue and Tini and you're like, okay, well, could I do this?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's very smart.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she got the gift of getting through the sol boot.
[SPEAKER_03]: She had no idea who was going home.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first part of the merge that could have been her if they had really thought about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why are they obsessed with breaking up Sam and that other person and share her names going to be lost forever?
[SPEAKER_03]: We could never figure it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it is it is something where
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very impressive that she was not able to be voted out from like literally what is that final nine on, which is like crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could never do that final on and so it is something where what are you impressed by challenge wins getting us in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she would be eliminated if she didn't have those challenge wins and we know for sure she was the target of operation in a league, which she would have had her idol to stop, but then her idol doesn't exist the next round.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I do think without immunity, she's gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's some other people that they don't have immunities.
[SPEAKER_03]: They, they made it to the end without immunities.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's an impressive game, but it is something where, well, what if she doesn't have immun in here?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of what ifs to blow the bullet holes, but there are bullet holes of like, I was just completely safe from here to here, and it's like damn.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's impressive, but it's also, I don't think you're on the top strategy wise whenever it's like, I don't really have to care what happens tonight because I'm immune.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Rachel's one of the interesting ones because like we obviously have my Holloway ranked higher.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't named my Holloway yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: My Holloway, we know would have went home, had he not won a immunity's, but also like nine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of the things I realized when watching Rolls Apart is that's because everybody was playing with was awful at Survivor like they're so bad at the game that they don't even want to hear what he's saying he's making all the right points nobody will listen to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Rachel would have survived a lot of the tribal councils that she did, but I do think she almost had a similar strategy to Adam or it was like keep some threats around so that you're never the biggest threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you felt like you always had to get rid of Genevieve.
[SPEAKER_00]: You always had to get rid of Andy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Diabetics survivor says, put it back up.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you view 47 as an unofficial brains for a thromb or speedy season, Rachel is a brain completes the tri-fact and the theme having a winner from each tribal on site Tony has brought him Michelle's beauty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just feel like Rachel
[SPEAKER_00]: She, she wasn't gonna beat everybody in the final six.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure the algorithm agrees with that, but she needed to have some people in that final six that he could lose to.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not beating everyone in that final six.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I just said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said the algorithm agrees with that because I'm sure Will docked like 14 points from Rachel's score out of 10 because Genevieve was still in the game at final five.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, Genevieve, well, where did you rank Genevieve in your winter rankings?
[SPEAKER_00]: Jen, if you've didn't win, yeah, I mean, I guess we wouldn't know if we're talking a new big guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the algorithm did have her at 10 in the winter ranking.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and it really, she got a big bomb from the challenge score.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, finally, that's arrived.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where we go?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just have, I've walked Rachel into the top tag.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't had eight jury votes that also helps.
[SPEAKER_01]: She had good at when equity, a final sex outside of, you know, Jen and B was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, only she was more excited to shoot that one video in pre game.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't count her out from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you wouldn't have gone down this road.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rachel's going to come back and play again in place and if you're like, Oh, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst winner of all time, like I can't believe I have to watch her play again.
[SPEAKER_00]: For everybody who's listening, please like this video, like the video this way Rachel can see this and see that like once again is doubting her.
[SPEAKER_00]: So please like the video that helps a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the gap between number 40 and Rachel was 15 points.
[SPEAKER_00]: The gap between Rachel and number 32 was also 15 points.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're kind of into, even though we're in the same level of 10, we're kind of into a different tier with our next person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number 30.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go, we got one new era and one non-new era left.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at number 32, we have Tommy Sheehan, out into the idols.
[SPEAKER_00]: John and McKenna ranked him highest at 19, will ranked him at 34.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's actually really funny with Tommy, John and McKenna had him high at 19, which is really what pulled him up here to get to 32.
[SPEAKER_00]: But will you had him at 34?
[SPEAKER_00]: I had Tommy at 32 and Blake had Tommy at 33.
[SPEAKER_00]: John, I'm going to help to lift him up, but he ended up at the exact spot that we all thought he should have been at and had John, I'm kind of ranked him lower too.
[SPEAKER_00]: He still ends up at like 32 or 33.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the algorithm had him at 39.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's his season number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to speak on Tommy first because I'm very happy that Tommy ended up at 32 like I think that this is a good spot for Tommy exactly where I had him I think people get lost on how good Tommy's game is because of what nonsense out of the idols is but I think that you know this was at the point where we were so tired of advantage get it in bullshit bullshit bullshit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tommy just plays survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't go to out of the idols.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't get an advantage.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken, he doesn't win immunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's literally just playing old school social strategic survivor and he doesn't use any of the gimmicks or any of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I know
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, he tells Dean where to play the idol nullifier to get Janet out of the game at final five.
[SPEAKER_00]: He probably isn't beating Janet although he is pretty adamant that he thinks he had her.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do feel like people forget Tommy's game because Tommy's game is so, so subtle.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on a season where you were winning by using all the gadgets at this era of survivor, Tommy just crueced.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he overcame a split tribal where he didn't have the numbers.
[SPEAKER_00]: He convinced, I guess, Nora, that he was not good at making fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: That Dean was better so that he would get taken to final three because he knew he could win there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like he does a very, very, very good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm happy to see that he almost made it to episode number three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this feels about right for Tommy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say I've rewatched Island of the idols.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the season well or the ends of now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I do remember being like, kind of dumb-founded that Nora brought Tommy to the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I always thought, well, is that just because Nora doesn't understand the game, doesn't understand survivor, doesn't have any perception of what Jerry's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is that just because Tommy's so good?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's probably a combination of both.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a reason you could potentially like dock like okay he was just taking to the end even though he was the clear front runner that's kind of insane
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, this feeling, he's kind of a, you don't really remember, I don't remember crazy big moves from Tom A, like he's not a challenge, be used by any means, like he said, he doesn't win any individual entities.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is good, he does survive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has nine post-merge tribals where he's vulnerable, which is pretty impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then to get as many jury votes as he does, 80%, that's pretty damn good also.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is kind of a good spot for your Tom.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm at 34, he's at 32.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in another thing, I do think there's a world where Tommy is ranked way higher higher if I one of the idols goes differently without the whole Dan and all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a normal season that people rewatch and talk about more.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably five to ten spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know he's like that much higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know he's ever ever being becoming like a top 20 winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this, this tier feels right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I do think like the other thing that I kind of point out is he was aligned with Dan you know and Dan gets ejected from the game at final six and now Tommy has to kind of pivot there and he's still fine you know like that's a late in the game you know we see Aubrey there's only one vote after Joe gets knocked out of the game but like with Tommy you know how does that impact his game I think everybody felt like they could beat
[SPEAKER_00]: to Dan at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's probably thinking I'm going to take Dan at the end and now all of a sudden that's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's got to make sure he can still beat Dan.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can still beat Lauren.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can still beat Janet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he beats, I don't think he beats Janet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think him versus Lauren would have been very, very close.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blake, what do you, what do you got on Tommy?
[SPEAKER_03]: try to remember how who got screwed the most or who benefited the most from Janet getting nullified and is it something where Janet had a chance at winning fire and immunity because then it is kind of like, oh, that's going to dock some points.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think he is the most even
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying he's he's pure heart, but like there's a lot of stuff going on on this season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And least problematic, I don't know if I'd said that, but like something where he's like, I'm just the chill dude in the corner, come to me when you're done talking to those people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those people are weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Noras weird come talk to me afterwards.
[SPEAKER_03]: This person's weird come talk to me Krishma.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know she's driving me crazy too come talk to me afterwards and like I think the funniest thing that I always remember 30 I haven't rewatched.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why but um it's something where it's like He's the only person who did not talk to Rob or Sandra on their own in any of that like in game or or like in the merch Oh, yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, how is that possible?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like, he didn't pay attention to any of the distractions.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is not distracted.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone else is distracted.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be like, how are you guys not voting out Tommy in any other season?
[SPEAKER_03]: But that is something where it's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know the alligator, the Gabler Gator, alligator, he's like the deep sea turtle Tommy that is so under the radar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I would say this isn't under the radar game in like a new version of survivor, where like we never appreciated under the radar games before in the early days of the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess we're not appreciated now because Tommy's probably one of the lowest 30s.
[SPEAKER_03]: of the 31 through 39 players, but it is something where like the under the radar and constant like I am the most even killed pure-hearted person in the corner.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was the season to do it and it just seems so dominant.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's funny is we actually have Tommy ranked higher than 7 new arrow winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have him ranked higher than Ben.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have him ranked higher than um...
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I was literally looking at Nick, like, we do have him.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have him higher than Chris Underwood.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, we're not totally sleeping on Tommy here.
[SPEAKER_00]: What'd you say, well, I said, duh for Chris Underwood.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I, no, I get that, but it's like, John McKenna, but, you know, for both of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know, well, they bring Tim at 19.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all in on Tommy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Tommy's game it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of those unfortunate ones, I personally would like to see Tommy play again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Tommy would be,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to see if Tommy can do the same game a second time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will never happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody found it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idols ever plays again, which is sad, because it's actually not a bad color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: got to be Marianne.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Marianne.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, we are through our first 20 and eight of them are new era winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations, Blake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your plan worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Marianne comes in at 31 two votes against win 710.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will had her at 19.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys will never believe this Blake was lowest honor at 42.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blake, we already know you're reasoning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a rank kind of high because as a new
[SPEAKER_00]: Why'd you go 19 on my area?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking up where.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I will tell everybody I have Marianne at 28, the highest person ranked.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she ended up at 31, I had her as the highest ranked of these 20 people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Marianne's game is one of those games where you come into that season and you say Marianne has no shot on winning it.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's gonna lose and and then her game starts to slowly take over and the social elements of her gamer incredible and then the move against Omar is incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Marianne plays a very, very, very good game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have her ranked at 28,
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is one of those games that kind of, it sneaks up on you and then you're like, wait a second, how is Mary Ann in the driver seat?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is something I think about when I do these, you know, rankings of Mary Ann, it's somebody who should have been out right away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody thought Mary Ann was so annoying and she was just out of her element.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the next thing you know, Mary Ann is winning the game, that's impressive to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a real story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I ran through a 28 chance up here at 30.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Marianne is one of the best new era winners.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we always say it's like D, maybe Kyle, I've said Jam Jam, I think it's got to think Marianne is definitely in that conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she does exactly what she needs to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she manages her threat level, which is basically new era survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: She gets deep enough, but then once we get deep enough, it's that like she just ends up in final three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she gets herself there and gets herself there with the right people.
[SPEAKER_01]: She takes out the threats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sid's next to people, she can beat 710.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, against Mike Turner, who Mike Turner was a big character, had a big game, had moves, really just over his own team in Final Tribal Council.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is a very, very good Final Tribal Council performance, which maybe that should have been in the algorithm.
[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually had a higher, I was higher on her and my personal rankings than the algorithm was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think she's
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, you could make the argument like, okay, she could have gone home or, like, guess what she did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And once she kind of found, like, when she fit in, I loved how she even had to get rid of an idol at the, at the, at the Drea, uh, but where the Drea was going to go home and Drea plays her idol in the Marinsway.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I have to play mine also.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's playing down in idol and she still wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's, that's pretty impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, I'm, I'm a fan of Marion's game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know like I don't usually like again to the I think the surprise is almost because I wasn't I was kind of annoyed with her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to say like early on like pretty much I'm like she's too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's too giggly.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's too laughy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Too super fanny.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't one of my what I want on my TV screen, but she flips us switch turns into a deadly survivor player in the end of that post where it's right when she needs to.
[SPEAKER_01]: If she does it any earlier, she's going to be the one going home.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think she
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that yeah, I'm, I always enjoyed Marianne.
[SPEAKER_00]: So go ahead, uh, Blake, what's your 42.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I think Marianne is a strong player.
[SPEAKER_03]: for all 26 days that you play.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is something that is just a little frustrating to see.
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, let's stick to the positives.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's some other people that come in with a majority at merge.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's four orange people.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are the most.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they don't do a lot of swaps on this season.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's a swap.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the four orange people are Marianne, Omer, Lindsey, and Jonathan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think in a lot of other seasons, they would be targeted.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think in a lot of other seasons, they would break down.
[SPEAKER_03]: They would whatever, they get to six before this happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Marianne makes the decision.
[SPEAKER_03]: or whoever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it was this, I think it was this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so she's the one who makes the move to break up the orange because she knows what her permutations are to get to the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like we haven't mentioned Romeo's name at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Big reason, but it is something where Romeo takes her to the end, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the right season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it is something like, she's even played, yeah, Romeo's name is right there, Romeo takes her to the end and it is like, dang, are you playing on every level of this?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think four people of four people that are Orange get broken up way earlier in a lot of other seasons and it is something where I, that is impressive.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was impressed by her final tribal.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's one of the easiest like winning, like Todd is number one on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Marianne's in the top five, maybe top three in like, hey,
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys, some people are gonna puzzles, some people are good at dragging people through the water in a beach.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm good at talking, and this is my, like, my championship moment right here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's pretty strong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, unfortunately, you only play 26.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you ranked there as the sixth best to do error, correct?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember who could, who, I don't, I don't think it's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's ranked the new era winners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, we all literally did.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all literally did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Marianne ends up here at number 31.
[SPEAKER_02]: And why are you airing it out?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she was six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me look.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, one minute air out.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do I have her out of where I'm really.
[SPEAKER_03]: My sixth best to her owner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of new air winner, new new air.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had her three.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had her only behind D in cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: One spot ahead of Savannah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Should we do the next 10?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just so I had, I had T, I wide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't want to give it anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Yeah, don't give anything away.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to Kyle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to ask one question of each of you, the algorithm included the, Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask him.
[SPEAKER_03]: The McKinna and John Part II.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who is your highest person that's been eliminated so far?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so I actually have this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want me to just read this off?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jam Jam for me is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jam Jam for Will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mine's R on the Eastern John and McKenna at 19.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mine's 23 though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yours is R. I said 23 and mine is 28 with Mary Ann.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually my highest player right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's Phil.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're all here for this Phil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or he raises why you think he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think my ranking is for all that you're doing right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Phil just like weighted the rankings towards his own.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like look, I'm the most accurate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, it's funny that like, it's just you guys are trying to have all these hot takes and it all just comes back to being where people should be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's why I want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Mary Ann is not hot of a take.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good one.
[SPEAKER_03]: How much fill is for all his perfect lukewarm takes that are don't burn my lips at all whenever I drink them.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: According to some people, this is rage bait part two.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know how we have a champion in Tony.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marion, it's a little bit like him in Tony and it can be like rage bait.
[SPEAKER_00]: great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys like them the most that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, anyway, thank you all so much for listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the last slide.
[SPEAKER_00]: We actually will be Monday this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just USA gave will and are all false hope and how that work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't know if Monday is going to work for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so maybe Monday maybe Monday isn't going to work, even though it's the same Monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: the whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody, we'll see you at some point next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: See you.