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[SPEAKER_01]: Today we'll be concluding our coverage of the word bears with the end of the heresy and a very rapid jump into their actions after the heresy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's like, like, 17 novels where you have to cover later, and I'll like, talking to half-cover them now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a country in South America and it's the head of Caracom, so figured that way out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, we finished our last cast, Lorgar and Eribus were each big side, buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Lorgar is an idiot.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the last cast, Lorgar and Eribus, they're each trying to create their own champion of corn.
[SPEAKER_01]: The corn wasn't technically elevated at this point, but he was set in the path.
[SPEAKER_01]: And during this time, Lorgar starts to turn against Horace.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sees Horace as a weak, like soon to be puppet of the chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Lorgar's mind is unworthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird about it because he looked at it in a two-stink too, because...
[SPEAKER_00]: Lorgar felt that he was becoming a puppet, but he also felt that he wasn't assuming all of their gifts at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was written two different books that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the end, I don't think it was either one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's just mad because he was the one that discovered the chaos, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was the architect of the heresy, and I felt that no matter what this would eventually drive him,
[SPEAKER_00]: that his big brother was still in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he was going to be no matter what, because in different books, they've talked about different things that were all contradicted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't talk about contradicted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, my view point on it has always been I think
[SPEAKER_01]: Horrors is not accepting the gifts because as Horrors tries to claim, I'm still in charge, I'm still in charge.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the scene I'm being possessed, I viewed it more as Lordguard looked at Horrors, kind of the way that like a lot of failed athletes, like, you know, people like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no one that I can think of, but who was really good in high school at football?
[SPEAKER_01]: No one I'm thinking about right now, looking at, just messing with your body.
[SPEAKER_01]: who would make it come, I like, if I were taller, you know what I could have done.
[SPEAKER_01]: That type of thing never comes up, never comes up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just hypothetical.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing a hypothetical human being here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's full.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's full time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just so easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's how I view the lower guards, lower guard looks at Horace and says, if I had those powers, the things I would have done with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's how you make
[SPEAKER_01]: those two, because they are contradictory novels aligned where it was, you aren't being what I would have been with all of that type of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's just a letter of resentment on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to be fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, there's not a hundred percent right or wrong, because we're falling apart right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace is, I mean, we're going to get to it in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we got a little break before we get there, because we have to talk about someone named Zardew Lyak.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Zardew is really important.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be much more important.
[SPEAKER_00]: He brings him with him to go see Horace.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Zardew becomes a very key character for a chunk of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to actually matter more not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to matter in this cast a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the cast, we're going to like five or six months.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zardoo was a chaplain for the word bearers during the early parts of the heresy, back when they were anti-religion, and he was part of what was called the Ashen Circle, and the Ashen Circle was the specialist who would go after planet was conquered and seek out and destroy all the artifacts and religious symbols.
[SPEAKER_01]: During this time, though, we started having visions, while he was doing it, and the visions were of Lord Gar, telling him to uncover the secrets of the Emperor, to learn the real truths that hidden by the Emperor from everybody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these visions are a function, but as Leiaque was really a super powerful psycho.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is post what's a called thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he had to kind of hide him a little bit, but not that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: He actually gets a couple words of Anuncia,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and later on, but Viac is a wildly power.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets those from dreams though, and the truth is, in my opinion, he was just being fed by chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had because he was because he had it was a cycle, the barrier between him and the imitating wasn't strong, they were able to reach in to him and they began.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, twisting him and moving him their ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as he starts down this path of chaos, first he stops destroying the adultery he finds in world.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just consuming.
[SPEAKER_01]: It starts reading all of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim and Lord are actually the honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he starts sparing the lives of people and a lot of the relics in the world that he is supposedly freeing and moving from religion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's just, you know, he's a bad guy,
[SPEAKER_00]: He, again, another guy, yes, they, when they do the pictures of the drugs and everything else, thereafter, he's in the chaos, but they're so comically evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the six eye glowing helm, which we've got to in a session, doesn't help.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still better than the fact that Eribus has the full tattoos scarred into his face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Enough thing wrong with tattoos.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any of my face, but I'm just saying it's because I haven't thought of when that was worth it yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone I've seen with them, it hasn't worked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's not so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, after Monarchia, Zardue goes full chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: he takes command as a first chap on the awkward gate, which is the chapter within the word bearers that are especially zealot followers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Zardu ascends to the lead role due to arabic picking and arabic just look at the sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yep, you are, you are like, what arabic, I love that he goes, who needs to be in charge of the hooker gate and there is the guy going, I'm super evil, he's maxing out points and character creation and evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: everybody's looked that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's also I think ever as much had more chaos God say, yeah, it's our deal with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's our deal with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, as he was picking his hands just goes directly to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a wiki board that works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just right to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Zardew is one of the more hardcore chaos elements of the heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the characters that we discussed are like chaos adjacent because they were infused with chaos power that knew it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like early carn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Early carn's a good example.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard was always evil, but later he was, but yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but a lot of those guys, what they were getting was a little bit of the carrot, a little bit of the carrot, a little bit of carrot until they're too deep in.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they kept taking the rewards that they didn't know where they were coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just, I'm awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm becoming more awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you down the line, like, oh, I gave my soul over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where is Zardus?
[SPEAKER_01]: Moops high-visin' arabas where it's like, wait, what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll drive this party bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That guy did not read the terms in condition.
[SPEAKER_00]: He scrolled to the bottom and said,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd stepped out to the point where Zardou accepts demon possession in an epic way because he becomes a gal vorbeck and all the other gal vorbecks became the way because they were in the warp got killed by what's her name and a demons possessed them.
[SPEAKER_01]: or, you know, pick up a demon blade, and that possesses them.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Zarduk just gets so full of hate and anger that just basically happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just, he becomes angry enough that chaos and fuses him, because he was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: He gives converting his chapter over to chaos, and at one point, like as he changed the name of the unspeaking, he finds a demon hell, just does, and bonds it to his own face with chains.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that no one will ever see his face other than the gods of chaos, but this hell looks awesome, by the way, it's just a very super cool thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you, I'm going to cover this in brief.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you guys want to know more about Lyak, the crimson apostle is the novel that comes out of.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Lyak does this kind of really good side journey in this novel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a nice, GW does a lot of these, a calm and there it's wicked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just call it what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did I get here?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what these are.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he has a nice wicked knockoff, and it's well written, so go with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He travels to a place called Helwin, which is a former word bearer world.
[SPEAKER_01]: and has gone dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: And once he gets there, he finds three of his former associates had turned away from the word bears and become an independent colony.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is earlier in the heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this isn't the later stages.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he discovers, Zardew discovers, it's a wonderful warning.
[SPEAKER_01]: He blows off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It almost like inverted Christmas Carol here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they find the actual truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Christmas Carol, the one with Scrooge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I love this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zerdinand, I was going to get rid of the real truth, which is that everyone there's being affected by chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: They realize chaos is always destined to lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: All three of these people he meets are telling, yeah, these world felt a chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we all started killing each other because that's what chaos does.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's always a pyramid scheme.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're always scheming against each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: None of the cascades can ever actually win because they wouldn't be able to continue to be in existence because they wouldn't have enough of the elements that make them them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always going to fall apart, period.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they find this out and explain and he goes, that's stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a look.
[SPEAKER_01]: He basically doesn't come with that stupid and nope, not for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the process, he breaks his brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: But finding it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the end does.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it begins, I've been like a loop where he just can't get out of, because he's, I think it's, ooh, here's an oldly reference.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it war games?
[SPEAKER_01]: The one where they make the AI play tech tech toe?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, so he, but he's the AI in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's struggling.
[SPEAKER_01]: So his way to solve it, though, is to rip his own eyes out with his power clawed hands and then cut six holes in his face, which he then shoves demon orbs in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Palantir's.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he has the coolest model with all the 40 K Harrison.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but Zardo learns no lessons from this and goes, I love the chaos guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to embrace the chaos gods and as a reward for doing that, the chaos gods give him the ability to throw basically anybody he can be.
[SPEAKER_01]: do a little spell and people are might think he's I think he's against we can not see I think he's worth to powering on this yeah but he's got creationers yeah it is it's a strange novel because the entire novel is hey man I'll do this and he goes we're gonna do it too much want to do this but arabas does this
[SPEAKER_00]: And in some future books, people that have way less psychic power than others end up doing She wildly powerful things because they're almost it's you're D and D and you get your middle-level character gets thrown an artifact effectively That's how these are.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are things that they can't do normally, but they give gifted a huge amount of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense
[SPEAKER_01]: The cool thing about Zardir, though, is he rejoins the word bears for the battle on cough, and there, two main things happen that make him really important.
[SPEAKER_01]: First, him and his chapter, the unspeaking, were on the front lines, since the alterments on cough, and there were the ones who were turned themselves into demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just some of the demons into the fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Charging to Ultraman's, but it was kind of a suicidal charge, so almost all the chapter ends up dying on call for getting trapped on call.
[SPEAKER_01]: Except for him, he's able to leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: The more important one, though, is Lyek becomes Lorgaris' closest confident, because Corferon,
[SPEAKER_01]: disappears into the warp, and at this time, arabes, bails, so Laura's kind of running out of people, the Norman looks to, and liek becomes, again, the secondly, to be fair, again, arabes goes on a full side quest, 100% for the gas guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, 100, so Laura's sitting around, and his dad is gone, his number two is not that reliable.
[SPEAKER_01]: So liek firmly supplants himself as Laura's number one guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of arabas, fun story arabas, arabas, we talked about this last time after New Seria, arabas is a little bit persona non grata, ay and word bears, very much so in world eaters, very much so in world eaters.
[SPEAKER_01]: After those events, arabas just goes back to Horace to join him on the campaign, because arabas' plan since the beginning was not to be
[SPEAKER_01]: And so with that, I, in mind, he came to Torres with a really bad idea, just terrible idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And arabic meets with Horace, so this is Lorgar's not present for this part of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And discusses how they both know about the red thirst within the blood angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Horace had walked in on sanguineus killing some of his gene children, who had succumbed to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Sengui has had confided in horse what was going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the chaos gods just straight up told there, but so I don't understand about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, about the first.
[SPEAKER_01]: So arabic purposes, why don't we set a trap for the blood angel?
[SPEAKER_01]: So a trap that'll put so much rage into them that they'll fall, and then Sengui and I will have no choice but to give myself over to chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we covered this in the Blondon's cast, so I'm going to cliff notes this thing here, Horace Sen, San Guenius, who's unaware of the heresy to a sickness prime, there the Blondon's response to fights, a xenotiric known as the Nephilim, who've been enslaving the people there, but it was just demons, all demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was 100% a trap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, up is a pure Admiral Akbar.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are no Nephilim.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just a lot of greater demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sanguineus gets dropped because Cobbanda kills so many blood angels that he actually at the sake of backlash drops him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cobbanda ends up about the steel to soul of Sanguineus what still seem but to give it to him when he instead some random apothecary jumps up and goes, I'll do it and run through the portal instead of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Apothecary and Maros save Sanguineus and the blood angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Lydia, gives to the Hogan finger and gets up and puts his booty to money asking, Oh, come back and tell us not to well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, obliterates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the plan of this trip was to go out there and come back with a demon infused sanguities.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all they came back was a demon infused apothecary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Notice the right angel.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll come up more later, but that's it, but this is a failure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Arab is his furious furious because of the failure, but also because I think some of it has to with the lower guard because Laura got hurt about the plan and told Arab is this old never this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like a little bit I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the guy that's not turning the chaos is saying when it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, basically, you're trying to convince the emperor to turn against the emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you, this is not, actually, that would have gone better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Candidly, that might have gone better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ever would have listened to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this was just stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, Lord Gart told me, this is the dumbest planet I've ever heard.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna fail.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, Arabus, it has my head, like, I turn Horace, I'll turn San Guadillas.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem for Arabus, he's not a great loser.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, back on the vengeful spirit, the word comes back about the failure on sickness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Erabus gets heated, and he starts chastising Horus for not following through the plan for luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not saying enough of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He starts shit talking Horus, chastising would be nice, and probably would have got him not about to get obliterated, however, he was not, he was talking a wild amount of shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horus response seems fair in balanced.
[SPEAKER_01]: He grabs Erabus, takes the enathema dagger, and carves all the skin off Erabus's face.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just removes it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: He grows back though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dar about it, Dar about it for all of our whole of our arabas fans who are nervous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry, it grew back here.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have cool chaos tattoos.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll over his head.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So always though, interestingly enough, though, is not done with arabas.
[SPEAKER_01]: The use of this moment, not so much to banish him, but just to re-establish his dominance.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I view this more like pack animals, where the alpha will just attack and put things down.
[SPEAKER_01]: We won't kill.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't get to talk to me like that, or we clear now that I've ripped all the skin off your face with a dagger, probably the blunt end, all some great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Lorgar at the same, as much as I hate her, but she have to give him credit because he did not back down after he got obliterated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has to skin peeled off his face and went, I'm still good.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, let's get to Lorgar and Lorgar making a poor choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not long after
[SPEAKER_01]: Lehman Russ paid Horace a little quick visit.
[SPEAKER_01]: We rammed him with a student the spear that was totally not made of the technology at the Emperor's stall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably blackstone, but that channels the Emperor's power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, Horace wasn't doing great at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's barely conscious his soul's being sapped.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way that this spear kind of work was he had jab with the spear is almost like a tip broke off.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, they stole some more of the rings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's call it this off in the other rings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he got stabbed with the what's it called dagger and now his soul's being eaten by the emperor from afar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he has this this is part two of him having to dive deeper into his more luck pact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's making with the chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: As horse is giving himself more and more over to the chaos guys, or to stop himself dying here, it starts to change him physically, but also it changes all of them around him, like his, the, the, the roof mutates the shit out of the shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit, the shit,
[SPEAKER_00]: that's where this goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, by the way, that horizon is still in 40K.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, credit, we're credit's due.
[SPEAKER_01]: They come at one.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not one of the feeding things they've done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Around this time, Lord Garra turns and Lord Garra looks at Horace and just goes, like, what the hell happened to you?
[SPEAKER_01]: He has, because Lord Garra has embraced the primordial truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is spreading the primordial truth, but he's not a pile of mess that
[SPEAKER_01]: And Lorgar looks at Horace as being okay, he's weak, he's the chaos infusion is basically poisoning him and Lorgar can see into his soul and sees what that porces souls as he disappearing and the chaos gods are just devouring and fighting over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Lorgar makes a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace is ready to make this final assault on Terra and he orders all of the Legion to Ula for a final staging.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when this call goes out, the emperors children don't respond.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where everyone kind of realizes, hey, is anyone seen full-german a while?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, everyone goes, no, I haven't.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had pedorobbo, it's probably like, he's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not worried about him too much, because that dude sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Lorgar, though, knows where he is and he offers to go grab them and Horus goes, yeah, go get Fulgram.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lorgar grabs Zardu Lyak, his number one, and they head back to the eye of terror, where, oh, yeah, and they also send, they send,
[SPEAKER_00]: Pertarabbo to go get angron while he goes to give the full grum, but it me also because he's going to ace in the hole for giving full grum back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about that in two seconds here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when he get times, he got to talk about some true names and make people do stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: This part's finally because they go, they say they go to the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't go into the eye of, well, they just they enter the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the end of it, the palace of
[SPEAKER_01]: because that's where Fulgram is hanging out with his demon in Carrey, having the best time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fulgram is on 100% gap year party right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want nothing to do with anybody else, and I did what they talked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll use the quote from one of the books on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slenesi Delights.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going with George Balluth, when he's in prison.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having the time of my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a Lord Garer approaches Fulgrin and tells him, there's a time for play, and this isn't it.
[SPEAKER_01]: and full of the laughing at him saying why would I leave and go do work, which by the way, it makes me think if you haven't seen the robot chicken Star Wars episodes, where it's like, with the joy, you have the joy sitting at the couch watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uncle, oh, and this joy is a bad motivator.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a magically good line.
[SPEAKER_01]: at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This does, but Lorgar knows that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he actually was expecting this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Lorgar starts shit talking, Fogran.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Fogran gets up to go fight him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as he's fighting him, Lorgar, which is playing defense, I think he could have done offense against a forearm snake demon prince.
[SPEAKER_01]: But although it may be of the rules, he has his
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's new to him day to sheet, but more guard has to, all he has to do is hang out for a couple minutes though, because like is going to, he has a little bit of a trump card on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's got Folkham's true name, which is a full story in and of itself, by the way, and we're 3D, because how he gets, how he comes to get it and kind of throws a couple people into the woods.
[SPEAKER_01]: to get us fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Manak, would you read this for me real quick?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then because you will have your mind wiped once you read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like some of that information though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll read it out loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, to Brad's point, Lyak Otter's Fulgram's true name is demon, true name, and Fulgram is now asleep the Lyak.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, falls is every command of the questioning or resist is can't resist.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Lord God, collect Fulgram.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fulgram, real quick, I'm throwing Fulgram out of the bus for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did a little bit when we talked to him as children.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fulgram is now failed.
[SPEAKER_00]: What, four willpower saves in a row?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's just say if your parties relying on Fulgram to roll better than a six,
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going, he's going to roll a one.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, fun they might chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unlike your grandma, they don't just give you treats because they enjoy watching you be happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lyak had been gaining a ton of power recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: He strapped a demon hole to his skull.
[SPEAKER_01]: He carved out his own eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's mentally throwing people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so their
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's because chaos never gives you a finished product.
[SPEAKER_01]: What they give you truthfully is desire.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the real gift of all chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number of which God, you go with.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the desire for more is their thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slash is the easy one, corn just as much, they're on that boat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the case of Lyak, he began to see himself as more important and more knowledgeable than everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: and so he sees a choice, and his choices serve a Lord God and attempt to use Sir porous, placing him at the right hand of the Lord God in the ensuing conflict, or betray a Lord God, and work his way to the right hand of Horus.
[SPEAKER_01]: given that Horace's already aligned with the chaos gods directly, and is the current more master Lyac went with the easy route.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this story is hilarious, by the way, Lorgar confronts Horace, and does a whole speech and basically challenges Horace to a fight and adds Horace to a fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, let's back that up though, because by the time he gets back,
[SPEAKER_00]: Horace has now been juiced back up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, he's in the size two year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's now not suffering anymore from the spear wound.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually doubled in size and super powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, hey, man, remember when you were gonna make your move?
[SPEAKER_00]: It should have been before this happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hilarious scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just look at how it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a fact that he challenged him to a duel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to use Serpue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as Horace moves forward, he goes, all right, lie at, get him, send Fulgram to attack and lie and Fulgram both look at look at look.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what the hell are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because lie at had released Fulgram already.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Horace looks at lie at and Fulgram, but you guys want to hear this shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they both went,
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, nope, nope, and Horace goes cool and beats the ever-living hell out of Lorgar and then banishes him much of the chagrin of a bad and who wanted to Lord Horace to kill.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Don was so mad about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, why are you not mud-stomping this shit?
[SPEAKER_01]: You already beat him to the building, kill him, kill him now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The irony being expiled works out better for Abdon than it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace turns my favorite part of this, the Horace then turns the rest of the word bears and goes, and it all's got a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Lord God.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gave the, is there no one else?
[SPEAKER_01]: Lord God then goes, all right, guys, no one's, it's all right, you don't have to fight them, let's all go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of the word bears look at him, then look at Lyak and Arabus and go,
[SPEAKER_00]: for now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was yes for now because he's got a lot of stuff coming up later, but he did have to leave in full shame on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of feel what he was trying to do, or it was trying to let him live in shame, like it would be more honorable to kill him kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're so far in the end, let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lord guard then goes on the long path because he can't return, he knows he's going back the out of terror, but he has some more stuff to do because he wants to get better alive of the dark odds, who does his long journey back to the warp and he stops off at these random word bearer worlds, collecting the putte legionaries would come with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when this world called Yisimai, Yisimai, where he uses a chaos ritual to in effect make a projector and he just sits there drinking a beer and watches the rest of the hair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the fact that every time he accepts a gift, he accepts one god at a time kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's what it happened on doing right now because he pushes the gods against each other so he never gets taken over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'd like knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And effectively him in a bunch of Legionnaires, by the way, I'll probably just watch the jungle screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what the jungle child of the Harrison, they hang out together just like this is way more convenient.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they watch Horace fail.
[SPEAKER_01]: And once Horace fails,
[SPEAKER_01]: much you technically error best tells him hey horse died, but he's watching it if be honest stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: He then goes all right, let's bail and he goes into the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he gets the eye of terror, good news.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because core fairons just been hanging out in there after almost getting killed by Dylan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, you had to remember, let's talk about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: he did not when Lord are and this is where you get abadam double down, Lord are double down.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where you get the long more.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where we get the chaos chaos is now playing the long game now.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a failure.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just the beginning of a new longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: exactly as long as it takes and this is why cast is also gaining winning now and more modern 40k because they're playing the long game or they continually play the long game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly and but what's cool is Lorgar gets into the eye of terror and he arrives on new cultures because corfer and new cultures was not going to make it and it didn't and he builds the planet secarist there and
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is great for Lorgar, for two main reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: First, he gets an immediate staging point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he builds the dark council there.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a leadership group.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's made up all the most powerful of the word bear source.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really powerful sources here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they become, they build cathedrals.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so secaris is turned to a beacon of work power.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what they basically use it for is it accelerates in, and it goes around it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like this a lot because this feels like for all you D&D folk out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: their casters, I think you take on thousand suns casters because they have places of power.
[SPEAKER_00]: They build these huge cathedrals to the dark gods.
[SPEAKER_00]: The cascads, and they have power there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have so much more power there than they would anywhere else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and in effect, whereas a lot of a thousand suns, more power by the inch, truthfully, the word bears are powered by the warp.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they can do rituals way better than anybody else can.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of books and I'd let her out here, but they have some really great because the word bear, a lot of the word bear's most powerful magic, is by sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we'll hit on the trilogy shortly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just say it's really, but they find this from an early.
[SPEAKER_00]: probably on in their cans that the most powerful magics are done by sacrificing souls and they do this really early.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other part of it's important in this almost matters more.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got a head start in the work.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of the other legions come back into the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they do, they start turning on each other and attacking each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're still slaves, power, and we cover this in another cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: The wordbearers were already there and fully fortified.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you really couldn't do much about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were unified, they didn't break up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're one of the few legions that doesn't turn into warbans.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have warbandish, they do have individuals who do stuff, but as a core, they're still a governing body of it from the start.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is it, next 10,000 years, Lorgor hangs out in the warping on Sikaris, not idle, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: He becomes the general of his army.
[SPEAKER_01]: He aids them when they're out in the material.
[SPEAKER_01]: All, eventually, we covered before he becomes a dark god.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dark god, he becomes a demon prince of the dark gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: But more on that later.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to use that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lorgor also goes into, we'll talk about this in a minute, but he spends a lot of time in meditation in the old,
[SPEAKER_00]: temple, maybe to go where yeah, he's just kind of sitting in his summoning circle for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what's going to happen is we're going to do a little go to the left and then a jump to the right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're a time warp guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to skip most of the heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually all of the heresy, the rest of the heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason we are is because short version Horace dies.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Heresy fail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you won't know it happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the real reason is because we're going to cover the end of death books later this year as the plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the word bears are all over that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it would be six more cast here to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just going to have a jump after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to introduce his characters like Lyak.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be a like an therapist or a huge in the invasion of soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mass it and the invasion of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to cover them a lot more then.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just going to skip that
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm going to talk about like trying to solo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dorn.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't go great.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I got this guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, hey, should we bring the rest of the raid into the room?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm going to solo the boss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It starts.
[SPEAKER_01]: For a second, he was okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he was not.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's talk about the word bears post-heracy because they're actually one of the most active and the various chapters post-heracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't really, they're the biggest concern of the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the most cultists.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the most trader planets and cults going around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they also are willing to sacrifice those cults.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is so many fantastically evil stories about the words.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: one of my favorite is when they saw they had a million cultists run at walls so they could make a ramp of the cultist bodies to get over the walls and they drove the rhinos over and but they also we'll corrupt an entire world just to do a ritual and stuff out of life on that planet which they've done multiple times.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of their favorite things to do, yeah, they are horrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the inquisition is extremely concern about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, like the space marine chapters, each have the opportunity to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the most, each have their own thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The wordbearers aren't really a combat chapter.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are, don't get me wrong, but the real danger is what Brad has said.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just do messed up stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're going through some codex lore here and there's some novels here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to hit on, but I want to use some stories here to just really,
[SPEAKER_01]: drive this point home, because first off of all the lesions, they use demons the most, having anyone surprised by this, but they wage war differently than other lesions.
[SPEAKER_00]: with one, they summon the most demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're just, they're very adept at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, they, they're base magic isn't just be powerful psychers in their own.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, I know I need to sacrifice a bunch of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: We only do do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, wildly charismatic, because they have even more cultists than alpha legion does and a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It will do this by, if you want to work with the chaos gods, we're bears a good way to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're very pro that, and then you find out, oh, my about to be part of a giant spell, bomber, which happens a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you just figuring out now why cover the jumps down the mask here?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good for this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just love that you're like, hey, I'm in page two of our sorcery spells and I already have to kill how many people to empower any of these?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I like it just because a lot of the sorcerers aren't just like the dudes doing battle front line, but if them some time, they will put some serious, I look at their magic and shamanistic, which graph is the stuff like that, they're greater rituals and they will cause real problems in a sector when they some of the zillion demons after they
[SPEAKER_00]: power for ritual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, another cool thing about them is they also use like demon engines.
[SPEAKER_01]: The filers, forge feens, mallar feens, they're good bread, don't stop telling you stuff like them, helpers, those do kind of suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so one of the coolest guys ever, because they have dark apostles, otherwise known as chaplains of gas.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So their leadership also is very different.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're more like the thousand sons and sorcerers play a key role in their actions, but they're not just casters.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thousand sons have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word bears use chaplains.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably the same with darker parcels, who then provide blessing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of casting a spell like Presians, these guys actually put blessings on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, their powers, I think more align with Eldar.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think about the way it works is I'm going to power up everybody to this thing where the thousands of more like doom bolt.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, look, that thing's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're, I'm obliterating what's in front of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a, there's so much of a difference in their castor.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got buffed.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a huge buffs, but the thousands of sons you think of doom bolt lighting coming down.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Emperor firing down forest lighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think of when I think thousands of sons, these guys are utilizing
[SPEAKER_00]: ways to influence and buff and using, again, giant rituals, which I still think is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think when I think chaos do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think these dark rituals that can happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is aided by their organization, because unlike any other chaos legion, they're the most, they're fully aware of the happening for long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we're in M41 right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the M, the chaos legions are a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_01]: We brought back a bunch of primarks,
[SPEAKER_01]: and grunt now has a lot more control.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, that's a newer thing, even more telling.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a newer thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word bears have been ruled by the dark council for 10 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the dark council determines what you are going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And your goal is to get on the dark council.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's also, the dark console has been kind of forcing the wheel of the dark gods for a long plan, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, well, again, we have the rift.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a lot of back into a vabodond during this, you know, there's they're doing a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rumors are active from day one till right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they are still though.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of star screen here where they get really close and then go ah, make a trun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are the foil for almost all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're trying to beat chaos and you want to show how tough a legion is, word barriers come in to get beat exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about some stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: So M36, the Gary of Sector, they're in a full rebellion and the Gary of Sector sits in the crossroads of warp travel for the planet Arcus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just starboard of the
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a, and it's a, my favorite part of the one that is a how people have to look up which direction the starboard is.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which one is it by the left or right?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which one's the right left or right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then go to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know why everyone because Brad lives next to the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's coming up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been better say.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was chatting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done competitive racing and sail boats.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I didn't know bad things would happen with groups.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fair point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be like David Carrity.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm bad at anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, for the record and not everything's out.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's staying and that was a gem.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: So suddenly the hives all over this planet going rebellion, and the world goes dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the sixth company of ultramaries is sent out of put down the rebellion, and then when they get there, it's not just the hives in rebellion, but the people had dug massive ruins into the planet itself, and so while it then began sacrificing themselves to set ruins, but
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the ultramarine.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're legitimately powering up the planet for chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go, but the ultramates go full doctrine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is because, you know, word bears cultists demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, I will start with Devastator moving a tactical and the move to assault doctrine.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just reading from the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, uh, uh, KELOMEN DARREN does go to the left.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to the left.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in this, it takes the sixth company loses 70% of their forces in this battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: They then should do save the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just an example of like how the fairiest of word bearers are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the word bears, there were a few word bears there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there weren't that many.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was just a world.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just make everyone there and demon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then the Ultraman said to go,
[SPEAKER_01]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get the world of conquerors do, which was once hosted to like one of the great imperial triumphs, so it's covered in all these hundred foot high depictions of primarks, the emperor and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so word bears and cultists are just figuring the statues and start tearing some of them down and making it a ritual.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as the whole world goes to rebellion, and the imperms has screw this sending titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have depth as titanicus arrives and begins just wrecking shop.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are titans, not knights, titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as they're going through, turns out there was a part two of the ritual.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where I come in to yell because this is so also because the titans are wrecking shop, I felt we didn't sell these statues on how big they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't like, hey, statue of Brad and the lobby.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, it'd be at least six or five.
[SPEAKER_00]: But these are hundreds of football statues.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they start coming to life and start dropping the people's elbow on Titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I've been here with the Titans with yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's so bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a state puffed marshmallow man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how important how I see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in my mind, I got this awesome battle with the statue start coming to life and destroy again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you ruined it with state puffed marshmallow man.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been I'm so sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just call it what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, the word bears, I'm upset that GW has an at the state of marshmallow and I'd be part of a GW.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be part of a word bear ritual.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it's the safest thing I could think of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: The state of marshmallow.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, on the shrine world, the only one is on the shrine world of net this magical.
[SPEAKER_01]: The sisters are, it's a reinforcedness world.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets a demon incursion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Lord, Vile Blight, who's a greater demon of Nurgle, wants the world from himself, but he can't get there, because the sisters have placed anti-warped ruins all over the place everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they've done, well, they've done their own rituals, because they're powered by the Emperor, who's definitely becoming a god.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they juice this up until the word beddy did what they did before the word bears came Lord Vile Bright reached up the word bears for help.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the word bears arrive.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's since they're not demons They're not affected by the runes and they begin a campaign out of conquest but of destruction Because they think a lot of casualties the word bears are well, but they're just one of these New York's yeah, because the readers sisters don't know what they're doing at first
[SPEAKER_00]: they think they're coming too fight and conquer everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they start taking pretty big casualties because they're just ignoring some of the fights and places that you should be staging on and are making a beeline to destroy these ruins.
[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually the ruins get low enough that the entire road blinks and Lord Vilebright appears with a horrifyingly large thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a
[SPEAKER_01]: Conquer the world almost in instant and then a nergles most pleased with the word bells.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another good one though of how nefarious the word bears are this is why the English positions so afraid of them is you can ever figure what their planet is like on that last one they are attacking blowing up rooms what are they doing oh it's so someone else can come in they do the same thing on the night world of denados this is all night houses the planet gets attacked they come together to repell the invaders this is not hard for nights by the way I mean you're talking the word bears against five night
[SPEAKER_00]: which the nighthouses, the night worlds are wildly powerful, because it's just tons of nights.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've also super skilled pilots that have been doing this their whole life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Problem is that as they go to fight, three nighthouses arrive, and that's because the other two,
[SPEAKER_01]: were distracted, and the word bear has got their and insert the scrap code into the throne, the canacums, which infects the machine, but also the pilots themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the pilot is one with the machine, because he's bonded with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now the world becomes involved in civil war.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those nights actually are believing they become chaos nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Word bears.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, the word bears took casualties, they do this a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I haven't shit in the towel in a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's have fun with, uh, with grab.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he should also hit the carried time in this game of 11th and three tower wildly on the other three where we start.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the towel arrived in the world of Earl Clemiat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they say, hey, guys, you should join up.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got this great thing, life will be better under the towel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they get there, the people there are like, yeah, yeah, it's great, but we still got to pay the blood tithe, like, we're getting the blood tithe and towel we're like, give guys the whole half to do the blood.
[SPEAKER_01]: The tie of any more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're with the best, yeah, no, the best, but I love that they just say it so matter of fact, it's not like, they don't come and come across as like hardcore gas about to like,
[SPEAKER_00]: It just is a matter of fact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the blood types are going to be too pretty soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should have a chance to put it in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And tell us, no, there's no blood type anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're part of the greater good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then about a year into this simulation, the word bears arrive for the blood type.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they start slaughtering the populace, because that's the blood type.
[SPEAKER_01]: So many demons and the fire cast of one out the Trenton repelate, but it doesn't go well.
[SPEAKER_01]: The entire plant evolves almost immediately into a demon world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just so it becomes a total shit show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the towel kind of bail on.
[SPEAKER_00]: They fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a big fight, but the towel just go, yeah, we don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is or want this place anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys aren't, you guys aren't welcome the part of our greater good club anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of like, oh, this sucks, give a high.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, one easy target for the word bears is, of course, the imperial cult, given that their primarq wrote it to wrote the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they liked to target the Ecclesiarchy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a really great one in segment and pacificus.
[SPEAKER_01]: So out in the world's conquered by Lord Solar Maccarious, the Ecclesiarchy built a pilgrimage route.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in periodism's flock there by the billions trillions to walk the same path as Lord solar Maccarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is also a bad ass, but he's the best in period general of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, as this is going on, word bearer dark apostles use cultists to begin to infiltrate the pilgrimage, selling evil crowbar on this, it isn't like six dudes or a barbershop court.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't initially, but that's like it wasn't initially, it became
[SPEAKER_01]: on more of a cultist movement.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's so bad about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's starting infiltrating this thing and just making little changes to what people are saying in the pilgrim.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they will change this, until all of a sudden a rebellion breaks out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Imperium has to go deal with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they get there, they discover there are billions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Billions.
[SPEAKER_01]: With a B, I'll say to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: All infuse the power of chaos and so not trying to use their just cultists with a stick going to fight you
[SPEAKER_01]: six space marine chapters and a way too many guard regiments are sent to this isn't to put it down and the world's in question are still not recovered fully from this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like the minitars were part of this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more like you know plans see fricking you know they were being murdered shooting the populace.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes they'd fight through a billion chaos and fuse dudes with a stick.
[SPEAKER_00]: In my mind because they actually don't say that the entire planet's fall they just said that they had tons of cultists and all these people They were originally part of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pilgrimage in my mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still one of those things where Ted the guy that's just repairs shoes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going, oh come on man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: This place is gross now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I do want to hit on a novel because, actually, a bunch of novels, just people a teaser of them, but I also want you guys to read them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's, I'm going to go to the Dark Apostle series.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you like word bears, you want to get a good, like, understanding of chaos, these are some of the better ones to read.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are really good example of word bear style.
[SPEAKER_01]: In that, the word bear's goal is rarely conquest.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Abadans about.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to kill the corpse emperor the word bear is just want bones the dark gods and they want to spread the dark gods.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just disrupt and cross havoc How do you book their under in these is pretty good dust?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay cool, so
[SPEAKER_01]: To do this end, the Dark Apostle named Yaruluk learns of an incredible device within the planet of Tannac Reg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go with Tannac Reg, that works.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Imperial Planet is assaulted by Yaruluk in his forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the PDF just drops like in an instant.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have no chance here.
[SPEAKER_01]: A planetary defense force against a full-blown space marine invasion is adorable.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the scene from Billy Madison.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that being said, they did put out a call before they get wrecked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the impiroguard, the ad mech arrived to put down the assault.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when they get there, they discover the word bears.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they made earth island tunnels basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: They bonded the bodies of all the people they killed with the rubble.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from the fortresses, they just ate a stomp up bread and call it what is that they made a chaos stomp up because these were just like abominations, yeah, they were amalgamations of just stuff pushed together, I also think it was probably not a very pain free for the people know that I'm sure they were quite aware of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The cool thing is imperial forces are getting ready to fight this chaos stomp up and it's kind of firing on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's firing on the planet itself because this is actually a Necron tumor and y'all look it's hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unclear of how much he knows here even in the novel if he knows what the Necron's are.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit tricky but at the base of this tumor is a blackstone weapon and this weapon can turn off the warp.
[SPEAKER_01]: to a region of space and his plan is I'm going to take this thing and I'm going to go really ruin the imperium's day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the tune wasn't empty and the necrons inside of it had an opinion about being woken up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, y'all look actually dies in this first novel, spoiler alert, and his second marduke, escapes with a relic, and that's actually, I don't want to spoil that feeling, that's the first novel.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next two really followed marduke and there's a ton of imperial characters getting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to cover this hand scene now, yes, because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just guys that are like, I am the, I'm the main character in four of the chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, well, you're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then somebody else picks up and those, nope, I was always sick of being never.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I want to talk about people, you guys should read his books if you like these stories because a whole concept around it is, especially at the end of the first book,
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just a tool to the protagonist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marduke is a bright idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: The chaos gods were always behind Marduke.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just needed your luck to do what he had to do, so they could definitely elevate Marduke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Books are cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, with that, let's talk really quickly, lastly, about the word bears in modern 40K.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got 11th edition launching, so we don't really know all that's going to happen, but we've reached the 42nd millennia.
[SPEAKER_01]: The riff has been spread throughout the galaxy, and the word bears are out in force, including their prime mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lorgar is a full-blown demon prince, and he is looking to do what Horace didn't, not necessarily kill the emperor, but more conquer the galaxy for chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: And with the rift open, summoning demons is easier than ever, and any actions performed in the material are fueling the image here, but even higher level ever before.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Lord Garer is looking to take advantage of this, and he's basically taken his legion and turned him into chaos black templars.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is just crusade on crusade on crusade.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also a huge pain in the ass for the Imperium, because not only is he concrete, he's spreading the primordial truths.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is effectively giving the opposite of the Imperial truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is catching on.
[SPEAKER_01]: very much so, and there are rumors of Lorgar walking around that they had these massive word-bear and cultist mobs preaching the word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, does anyone get a model?
[SPEAKER_01]: I could probably be so mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because it'll be good, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know he'll have good rules.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll have really good rules to be playing wordbarism on the table.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I'd actually played wordbarism.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd do it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd be running the wordbarism.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be running the wordbarism.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that just hurts me a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I bet they brought back old summoning rules to be there in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% away from your back all the way across.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, why there's no, there's no end of my hypocrisy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to play a 2,000 point game of 3,000 points of model.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is between its its significantly easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me to be fair, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they made the lords of terror models that were good, Brad would play them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, let's not go there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with that, the thing is word bear lore is kind of TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she all lore is TV for being honest right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with the word bearers, they want to vote for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They think it'd be push though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, again, we're not talking about a couple of the books right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lord, it makes a pretty big appearance in what's going to happen soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what's point out, Lord Gar has appeared more in modern 40K.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, then the con, then con, then con.
[SPEAKER_00]: you're, by the way, you're not wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's showing up a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be so embarrassing when GW just like all of a sudden, release a bunch of white scar stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: The con has returned to cons and next primar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I people like Billy listening to our podcast couple years?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, well, that was John Talkin' up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looked the number.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the poster boys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all of all this, all the entire hammer and bulge is white scar stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's South being Ultramarines and the covers of all the space marine books.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all white models now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always white scars ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with that, we're going to break for now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like I said, a lot of the word bearers stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get covered when we do end up death later this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you want to know more about them, there is a ton of great novels and word bearers.
[SPEAKER_01]: You would not be wrong to go look into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But next week we're gonna do a little one-off.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's become and request.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've gotten has been to go back and talk more But the titan legions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we did a little bit of the nightcast, but I want to do a cast more time in the night legions We're also gonna talk a bit more about the C10 that's totally not on Mars, but 100% on Mars and the entire reason Mars exists
[SPEAKER_01]: just calling it out once 1,000 percent there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're talking about what the titan leaders are.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked more about the titans themselves in depth of how big they are and some of their roles in the horrors, heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's cities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still just walking by the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to call it it's a stupid concept.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are we putting a bunch of guns on top of legs?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to blow the leg up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It falls over.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's useless.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, certain levels of the titan also have marketplaces and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, they do the times are cool as hell, but it's just, like, just good kick out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, it's giant walking robot.
[SPEAKER_01]: What if I blow the ankle up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Shut up.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, but until then, John Barsotti, Brad Jester, this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you guys next week.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much.